Teilhard de Chardin

[andrewnjohnstone]

thanks for this. i have sampled it for an album i am making.... hope that's ok? your reading is 'american poetic'......lyrical and hypnotic. These words are some of the 'important' of our age. very good.

[WorshipInTruth]

Don't let the jesuits play with your mind. Let me ask, would you define yourself as a panthiest?

[0ThouArtThat0]

@WorshipInTruth Panentheist.

[WorshipInTruth]

@0ThouArtThat0 Ahhh.... so you have, in fact, let the adherents of the gnostic mystery schools (occultists, kabbalists, illuminatus, jesuits etc.) corrupt your worldview. Panentheism is a sick melding of pagan pantheism with monotheism, it is therefore babylonianism and jesuitism in its purest of doctrine. You seem like an intelligent young man, how long will you let the collectivist syncretics lead you astray? God is SOVEREIGN over his creation, why reject Holy Writ??

[0ThouArtThat0]

@WorshipInTruth Give to Caesar what is Caesar's. I don't find it edifying to conceive of God in the image of a worldly dictator. An all-loving God suffers and grows with creation. A God who is so detached from the life of this world is not a God I am wiling to worship.

[WorshipInTruth]

@0ThouArtThat0 In fact, it was Illuminati member and freemason Karl Christian Friedrich Krause who coined the very term "panentheist" in an attempt to reconcile pantheism with monotheism. Of course Krause's openly stated desire in life (along with every gnostic occultist) was the creation of a universal world-society which is the reason he joined the Illuminati and the freemasons in the first place.

[WorshipInTruth]

@0ThouArtThat0 The beliefs you subscribe too were created specifically for the purpose of fullfilling a collectivist political agenda. Of course the jesuits (of which Chardin was a member) have always been known for using mysticism and the study of metaphysics for that very purpose. Since you admitt to being a panentheist would it be safe for me to assume that you also consider yourself a neo-platonist??

[WorshipInTruth]

@0ThouArtThat0 I bet you believe in the world as will and representation, you do of course realize that if that is the case you are literally only one step away from full blown sorcery as described by the jesuit founder of western occultism Eliphas Levi.

[0ThouArtThat0]

@WorshipInTruth A planetary civilization is inevitable and desirable, I believe. I'm not opposed to Teilhard's political motivations. And yes, I do appreciate Levi's contribution to esotericism.

[krustyegg]

The two things i found most interseting in that book so far is:

"what would we do without enemies?"

and what he points out about the progressive development in consciousness; I read it as a enlargement of consciousness in all living things.

Its a very fine work even more impressive when one looks at when it was published 1955!

: )

[studentoflife01]

Thouartthat how can you relate monism, dualism, and idealism to both the microcosm, and macrocosm?

[TheLORDismySheperd1]

It was in the early 1920s Dietrich Eckart introduced Hitler to The Secret Doctrine, by Helena Blavatsky.

It was this very book which he carried with him that said evoltion or "natural selection", cosmology, racial theories and "root races". Hmm. Sounds familiar to Adolf.

I don't need to read, "The Secret Doctrine" to know that Ms. Blavatsky was an occultist who could easily brainwash people with her ideas. That's actually WHY I would NOT read ANY occult book.

[TheLORDismySheperd1]

If this is

guilt by association, its an association that they have created for themselves.) As a group, the works

of Helena Blavatsky, Alice Bailey and her followers, TEILHARD DE CHARDIN, Robert Muller (Secretary General for the U.N. for 40 years)... These writers oppose the

human dignity and liberty that derive from God creating mankind in His image (Gen. 1:27).

[TheLORDismySheperd1]

Those

who read New Age and Theosophical books with a discerning eye will find that these writers make

clear their intentions for us all, just as Hitler did with Mein Kampf and as the Communists have done

since Marx and Lenin.

[leonvoltaire]

"Hitler did with Mein Kampf and as the Communists have done

since Marx and Lenin"

I see you have some great info, now link all of this to the Jesuits!

Study the Black Pope and his Jesuit army and the pieces will fall into place.

Mein Kampf = Was written by a Jesuit

Marx and Lenin = Trained by the Jesuits

Stalin = Jesuits

USA Patriot Act = Written by the Jesuits

TEILHARD DE CHARDIN = WAS A JESUIT

Have fun and peace to you!

[TheLORDismySheperd1]

You caught me at just the right time :)

GOD bless you!

**And 'ohthouartthat', I REALLY hope you're paying attention to all this! You've got TONS of leads to find out just how sick and lost Teilhard de Chardin REALLY was.

Don't jump off the bridge to be like everyone else, find out the truth first, PLEASE.***

JESUS CHRIST is our only SAVIOUR; Not ourselves. But you have to want to be open-minded about this and I pray you will be.

[leonvoltaire]

You've got TONS of leads to find out just how sick and lost Teilhard de Chardin REALLY was.

No, tons if leads on the Jesuits, Teilhard de Chardin is just one of the many Jesuit Luciferian Warriors.

"Don't jump off the bridge to be like everyone else"

No worries here, i serve the Most High and Yeshua!

Do you know TNB and all the Churches have been hijacked by the Jesuits and the Vatican?

[TheLORDismySheperd1]

Hey my brother in JESUS CHRIST!

That's no surprise about the Jesuits.

But the Vatican has been a pagan institution since around 221 a.d.; somehow I think they might have given birth to the Jesuits. Emporer Constantine was a pagan and he had a new ecumenical bible rewritten for the pagans in Rome......the list only starts there.

But Teilhard, Bailey & Blavatsky were all just products of evolution. They denied GOD and immediately they were given up to their own delusions; They fell from there.

[WorldCollections]

@TheLORDismySheperd1 If you are part of a religion or belief system that proclaims to be the only true road to follow, you are then like the rest of those that believe in war - and violence -, perpetuating like these the differences – thus the conflicts - between humans and world agony. The greatest virtue of a human is found on his capacity to tolerate the beliefs and developments of other human beings.

[poloisnacho]

@WorldCollections But are you not creating a distinction, and thus adhering to the very system you are trying to avoid? :/

[TheLORDismySheperd1]

"Teilhard dreamed of humanity merging into 'God' and each realizing his own godhood at the Omega point. This belief has inspired many of today's New Age leaders."

"In fact, Chardin is on of the most frequently quoted writers by leading New Age occultists."

- Dave Hunt, author

Teilhard wrote: "I believe that the 'Messiah' whom we await, whom we all without any doubt await, is the universal Christs; that is to say, the Christ of evolution."

[TheLORDismySheperd1]

Teilhard de Chardin, and Alice A. Bailey and were both well known lucifarians.

It's not hard to look up what exactly they were in to. Just follow the trail.....

May God of Heaven and Earth, and the resurrection of Jesus Christ be accepted by you all.

[0ThouArtThat0]

Have you read any of Teilhard's books?

[TheLORDismySheperd1]

Brother, I wouldn't go near any of his books, the same way I wouldn't go near a black (satanic) bible.

Writers like Teilhard opposed the

human dignity and liberty that derive from God creating mankind in His image (Gen. 1:27). Those

who read New Age and Theosophical books with a discerning eye will find that these writers make

clear their intentions for us all, just as Hitler did with Mein Kampf and as the Communists have done

since Marx and Lenin.

[0ThouArtThat0]

Hmm, well Teilhard, as a paleontologist, certainly realized that the fossil remains he was studying were far older than the 6,000 years of history recorded in the Bible. So he had to change the literal story of Genesis to account for the fact that our species evolved like the rest of life on this planet over the course of a few billion years. But he certainly finds a way to see the human being as created in God's image, so long as you are willing to read the Biblical text metaphorically.

[0ThouArtThat0]

I wouldn't go around calling thinkers Satanic until you've read what they actually had to say.

[TheLORDismySheperd1]

Teilhard was a well known lucifarian, this isn't new information. It may be surprising to you only because you just are now hearing it. He was very, very close with Alice A. Bailey, another lucifarian. She wrote, "The Great Invocation" in which a demon by the name of Djwhal Khul actually has summoned all religions to come together upon his return (he calls himself, the "universal christ" - not the Christian one by the way) and those who aren't inclusive will "regret it".

[Cogitotal]

"All things that arise must converge."

Humans as the peak of evolution? Teilhard de Chardin was a paleonotologist and, along with his Jesuitical perspective seemed to arrive at a teleological view.

All that stuff about creative evolution, Bergson inspired him, and our progression to an Omega Point, I just can't buy it. I think Berson and Scopenhauer were both more cogent on the inner sense.

[PhilosopherFresh]

good stuff man

[ozjthomas]

I can see why you like this guy, thanks for the read, thinking of the way we observe things and how that influences our science.

[HaleyMary]

Interesting stuff. The universe being a whole unfolding. Makes me think of how the universe is what exists, but also depends on us humans as observers to make the world as we know it exist. Thanks for sharing.

[dadluvsu]

I really like the stuff you are presenting and would like to respond. I am a retired sociologist/psychologist and might have some things to say that will interest you. However, it is so stressful trying to make out what you are saying that I simply can't concentrate on it in order to respond.

[0ThouArtThat0]

sorry about that, I'll speak louder next time

[dadluvsu]

My volume is all the way up. I do not experience low volume problems on any of the other channels I listen to. Also, some of your VDO's, where you face the camera and appear to be closer to it, are loud and clear as crystal. The problem is when your right profile is to the camera so you are not talking into the microphone. So sorry if i am the only one who has mentioned this.

[jogayot]

let's call it withinization ;) the omega point is very tacit, as 2bsirius pointed out.

[dadluvsu]

I am interested in hearing what you have to say but you really need to increase the volume of your recording. You have a tendency to look down at your reading material, which makes it difficult to hear. Your clarity of presentation also suffers because your voice is low. PLEASE--- I would like to respond but cannot listen to your VDO's through because of the volume problem. Thank you!

[jogayot]

pump up the volume on your side...?

[webley566]

I can hear him perfectly.

[zezt]

if you remember a while back i did a vid response severely critting Chardin and his noosphere idea.

if you want to present a rounded essay I really recommend you speak about this, but to do so you need to get Monica Sjoo's book, Return of the Dark/Light Mother or New Age Armegeddon? where she mentions him and his ideas

[0ThouArtThat0]

Teilhard raises some issues I'm not fully in support of, like his seeming belief that all life on earth going extinct for the survival of the noosphere is somehow ok... But I'm more interested in him for individual features of his vision.

[2bsirius]

I've always had trouble with the implicit teleology in Teilhard de Chardin's thinking...It seems like a kind of eclectic, mystical Catholicism...I love reading him, but I have major problems with his insisting on drawing conclusions from shaky inferences. Still his writing is absolutely beautiful.

[0ThouArtThat0]

I don't think the teleology is that implicit. It is writ large. I wonder if we have any choice but to assume the universe has a purpose? Can we really understand it without doing so?

[2bsirius]

Yes, but Matt there is no data to support the idea that there is a purpose in the universe. You can say there is, but it's indistinguishable from wishful thinking without data.

[0ThouArtThat0]

I'm not sure I agree that there is no data. Maybe if you're a positivist. If the human being is an anomaly and doesn't need to be considered by science, if human consciousness is other than this universe... then sure, there is no data. But once you see the human being as fully natural, I think the data we have about cosmic evolution reveals a universe ruled by more than mere chance.

[0ThouArtThat0]

Teilhard writes of those who "are always contrasting something they call anthropocentric illusion with something they call objective reality. The distinction does not exist. The truth of man is the truth of the universe for man, that is to say, the truth pure and simple." (human energy, p. 55)

In other words, if all of our knowledge is necessarily human knowledge. We can know of no other kind.

[2bsirius]

Your quote from Teilhard is exactly why I love to read him, but I have trouble taking him seriously.

[leephysics]

good luck on your search buddy, never forget no one or thing has ever figured it out, but then we don't know everyone or everything.