Manny Pacquiao vs Sugar Shane Mosley - Post Fight Analysis

[davestheman4janice]

Manny will beat Floyd because he will come forward and he will not just head hunt and will hit to the body also. You cant beat Manny by hitting once or twice while he is hitting you with combinations. Floyd will be on his bicycle and if he does grow a set and tries to fight Manny, he will get knocked out. But in my opinion, Floyd doesnt want this fight, no matter how loud he is barking at the moment.

[MrJonnyl123]

lmao no way pacquiao dominates floyd in the centre of the ring rofl. dont compare mosley to floyd

[camere]

I respect your beliefs about Pacquiao, also the fact that you are convinced that Pacquiao will beat Floyd. Even though, you contradict yourself when you say that inactivity doesn't win fights, in the same time you said that Mayweather is the best counter puncher ! Floyd can't be overwhelmed with punching combinations by Pacman, because he's a counter puncher. Do you really thing that Mayweather is to allow Pacquiao to be his punching bag ?! By the way, please don't compare mosley with Floyd...

[tawandachristopher]

@camere i totally agree. You simply cannot throw 3-4 combinations to a fighter who does not stay in the same position and throws counters. The guy is comparing mosley wit floyd lol

[HaloedG]

Nice hype promoting...

[627pjdd]

i've been watching ur vids since the cotto fight and i think u r smart...keep it it up bro!

[samantha27ish]

@drbringit i want u to go back and watch mayweather and hatton fight. It's clear to me that pacquiao would beat floyd possibly by ko. I find that if you put too much pressure on floyd, he can be hit easily. Pacquio with his blinding speed, power, stamina and being a southpaw would hit floyd a lot. But honestly, floyd will never fight manny. Just review the videos.

[str8righthand]

The only fighter that gave Pacquiao problems was Juan Manuel Marquez. Pacquiao never fought another fighter of that caliber since but thats not his fault.

[TheSamjulian]

floyd could never beat the pac.. any punch floyd makes, expect 4-5 punch from manny.

[TheRexrapper]

Judah actually out boxed Floyd for 3 of 4 rounds. Manny cannot beat Floyd because he can't cut the ring off. If he did he would have tagged Mosley alot more. Floyd will use his superior footwork to stay out of range, jab, and counter. He will not get overwhelmed because he can counter. De La Hoya and Castillo tried the same thing. This gamplan of pressure and being overwhelmed with punches won't work on Floyd anymore. It will give him problems, but he will still win because he has seen it before

[TheRexrapper]

People make is seem like Manny is a difficult puzzle for Floyd. Me personally, I don't see it that way. To beat Manny the main things you need are movement, counter punching, and defense. Every fighter Manny has fought was missing one of these. Floyd has all 3. Yes Manny can throw 5-6 punch combos but it won't matter if your being countered or the fighter is not in range. The fighters that Floyd struggled with were bigger. Castillo was able to cut the ring off, De La Hoya was able to do the same

[spyph]

@TheRexrapper I think MP did not tagged mosley a lot coz he did not want to humilliate Mosley. Mosley was such a gentleman and never talked bad on MP before the fight and also after the fight. Maybe that was one of the factor. But i am sure that, fight with Floyd will be very different. That is aside from Floyd running all around all the time but MP will tag him all the fight.

[spyph]

@TheRexrapper Floyd has all the 3 things you mentioned, I agree! But the most important things he does not have and maybe will never have is the COURAGE and HEART to face Manny! Maybe he has the talent and style and a lot of advantages, but TRASH TALKING , MAKING ACCUSATIONS, and EXCUSSES wont make him win the fight. He is losing the respect of fans, analysts and fellow boxers. He should just say if he will FIGHT or NOT and stop BITCHING AROUND. That is just my opinion. Peace!

[dapperdonmilli]

@drbringit the problem is pac didn't prepared himself 4 a defensive fighter but if when its time 4 Floyd trust me He'll b ready cause we all know Floyd ain't got power

[joeygonzo]

Shane was flinching as early as the second round.

He felt that body punch you mentioned and he did not want any more of it.

[BOXING101ification]

IF PEOPLE WATCH FLOYD'S LAST 3 FIGHTS THEY WILL SEE HIS LEGS ARE GONE. YES HE HAS DEFENSE BUT MANNY WILL LAND MORE THAN ONCE AND MANNY HAS THE POWER TO KNOCK FLOYD OUT WITH EITHER HAND. MANNY PROVED WITH MARGARITO AND COTTO THAT HE CAN TAKE A PUNCH AND I BET THEY BOTH HIT HARDER THAN FLOYD. MANNY IS FASTER HITS HARDER CAN TAKE A PUNCH HAS FASTER FEET KO POWER WITH EACH HAND THROWS AN AVERAGE OF 100 PUNCHES A ROUND. HE WILL BEAT FLOYD AND THIS IS WHY FLOYD WILL CONTINUE TO DUCK HIM.

[BOXING101ification]

WHILE FLOYD WAS IN RETIREMENT DUCKING COTTO AND MARGARITO MANNY CAME UP. FLOYD OWED THE IRS AND HAD TO COME BACK. HE KNEW IF HE DID HE WOULD HAVE TO FACE MANNY. FLOYD SAW MANNY'S INTERVIEWS AFTER HIS 1ST FIGHT WITH MORLAS AND MANNY SAID HE GAVE BLOOD 14 DAYS BEFORE AND IT WAS LOST. HE GAVE BLOOD AGAIN 2 DAYS BEFORE AND FELT WEAK AND COULDN'T FEEL THE FULL POWER IN HIS PUCHES AND BLAMMED THIS FOR HIS LOSS. FLOYD SAW A PHYSCHOLGICAL EDGE. HE WOULD DEMAD MORE BLOOD TESTS THAN NECESSARY.

[BOXING101ification]

IF MANNY REFUSED IT WOULD LOOK TO THE PUBLIC AS IF HE WAS HIDING SOMETHING. IF MANNY AGREED TO FLOYD'S DEMANDS HIS MIND WOULDN'T BE RIGHT AND FLOYD WOULD WIN THE MATCH. THIS IS FLOYD'S PLAN FLOYD HAS TO HAVE SOME TYPE OF EDGE GOING AGANIST MANNY BECAUSE IF THE BOXING COMISSION DOES THEIR JOBS AND TESTS BOTH OF THEM FLOYD WON'T HAVE AN ADVANTAGE MENTAL OR PHYSICAL AND HE WOULD LOSE, AND HE KNOWS IT. WHAT FLOYD IS DOING NOW IS STALLING HOPING MANNY AGES LOSES OR SLOWS DOWN FLOYD IS A COWARD.

[bennyfifty]

There is absolutely no one from 140-147 who can defeat Pacquiao. The only guy out there would have to be a 150 catchweight fight with Sergio Martinez. And that is asking too much of Manny to fight a BIGGER version of himself, and possibly more technically skilled. Martinez would outweigh him by a good 15-20 points.

[flippinferdie1]

Mosley did tag Manny with a couple of jabs and that's what Mayweather does all thru his past fights. Obviously, to dodge jabs and not allow opponents to measure you up, continual bob-n-weave movements is the key. I've seen this strategy before in Pacman's gameplan with Delahoya, but not so much in this fight and other fights. So I believe this fight was staged by Roach in attempts to encourage and bring out Floyd to make the megafight happen. Really, the fight is dragging on because of Floyd.

[melvin042381]

god gave me ability to see weakness of opponent i like pacquaio i dont want to tell his weakness..floyd is very dirty fighter he use alot dirty tactics to win a fight & he use steriod i know this floyd weakness to floyd are no match to pacman floyd use counter style 2 punch combination then bent his body then run away then block timing his opponent to commit mistake then attack then bent his body again always defensive mode that floyd style i know how to beat that style..

[23illchris]

People once thought Mike Tyson was unbeatable, because of his speed and power, but ultimately, boxing is a thinking man's sport; Mayweather has shown he can out think anyone in the ring.

[CrusadeThree]

@23illchris youre right people are thinking too that Floyd is unbeatable, because of his defense : P

[23illchris]

@drbringit, no disrespect, but you're too much of a fan to present an un-biased analysis. Pac was not able to throw 8 punch combinations, because of Mosley's movement and defense. That's funny, because Mosley is not even known for his defense. Shane Mosley is not the guy to use to determine how Pac will do vs Mayweather; Mosley is nothing more than a slugger with hand speed. You seem so amazed by Pacquiao's speed that you're unable to realise that timing, distance, and a good jab, can stop speed

[CrusadeThree]

@23illchris watch the fight again and you could see what was Pac doing with his leg. Here;s the fact, Pac beat Mosley by a UNANIMOUS DECISION! Giving away only two rounds. Mosley danced awayfrom Pac the whole fight. Pac-Roach had a different strategy for Mosley and it will be different for Mayweather too! the sad thing is we weill never know coz Floyd wants 100 million dollars in order to fight Pac.

[23illchris]

You have to be able to box in order to beat Pacquiao. Mosley is not a great boxer, and he's not that slick. For the most part, Mosley has been a speedy slugger for his entire career.

[tabootabor]

Did floyd knock mosley down? hell no....pac knocked shame down very easy man but why some people said floyd vs shame way,way better.i can see the color men gonna attack me now.

[recoroldan]

now i give props to margacheato cuse he went forward the whole fight and even though he took a beating he didnt run he took it like a man

[asc031a]

Good video, Pacman is the best

[myutubepostedvideo]

everybody wants to see floyd vs pacman but I think this will be the most boring fight ever, why you know how floyd fight...

[CHRISTinayREV18]

FLOYD WILL BE RUNNING AROUND FROM PACQUIAO...a little glimps from MOSLEY's style.

[heroxer]

all great boxers are wanted to fight pacquiao but floyd gayweather avoid to fight pacman thats why he is on vacation again hahahahah alibi

[ChampionPride2009]

bring it!!!!

[PDPNDCM]

Great analysis. U say it how it is. No need to trash talk anyone. The facts are out there.

[CocoMotion]

What stood out in the Pac Mosley fight was Pacquiao's feints. Feints are the key to beat a counter puncher. Counter punchers rely on timing and feints interupts timing. In regards to Mayweather, If Pacman perfects his feints and learn to counter a counter puncher, Mayweather's defense would be exposed.

[chakyun0609]

Most Pacquiaos past opponents especially DelaHoya and Hatton are so hypocrites who can´t admit Pacquiao power.really hurt them. Hatton was passed for several minutes and still in denial. At least Mosley is man enough to admit opponents power. I don´t blame Mosley, he has to be realistic to do the best for him esp. with his $6 mill. payday. How can he enjoy those millions if he ended handicapped after the fight? Whatever Pacquiao will do, critics will be everywhere. That´s the story of his life.

[kawaiisaki]

Really floyds going to be overwhelmed like mosley? we noticed that mosley had many chances to counter punch. pac looked really sloppy coming in and throwing 3-5 hit air combos. mayweather is faster better reflexes and smarter then Mosley. During Mosley Mayweather. Mosley was runing but couldnt get away from Mayweathers 1-2's however Manny was missing a ton while shane was just back tracking not even moving to the side. You really have to explain how he is going to overwhelm Mayweather......

[007tubeless]

I think you just make the outcome interesting. But everyone knows it was a downer. The exciting Pacquiao was absent.

Pac's did not finish off Mosley to satisfy fans. Pacquiao's bouncing in and out movements were not there. Pac became aggressive only after Shane pushed him in 10th round.

[aikhan23]

Good video man. I think with Manny we're seeing a pattern with most of his opponents - once they realise they can't take Pac's speed, power and work rate, they begin to back peddle or shell up to avoid more punishment - examples are Cotto, Clottey, Mosley. Those who tried to put an offense to Pac got destroyed, eg. Hatton, Margarito.

[TheAllancastro]

Pacquiao is not mad with mosley that's why he didn't throw much punches and this will not be the cased with Mayweather. Pacquiao is so pissed off with Mayweather... you don't want Pacquiao get angry.. see when Bayliss made the wrong call of giving Pacquiao 8 counts. after that Pacquiao threw punches to Mosley. Mayweather will not last 5 rounds with Pacquiao because Manny is so pissed off with this arrogant Gayweather and accusing Manny of using drugs just because he's scared to fight him.

[drbringit]

Here's a simple but controversial thought: If Floyd ever does get into the ring with Manny, Freddy will prepare Manny to counter Floyd's counter. No brainer.

[TM789SP2]

@drbringit "No brainer".LOL. Del Lapaz (excuse me if i screwed it up), but there's no way you beat a counter puncher by counter punching them. To beat a counterpuncher you have to overwhelm them and make them fight the fight they dont want to. The problem with manny vs floyd is that floyd has NEVER fought a fight that someone else wanted him to fight, while Manny does. Manny's often dictates his style based on the nature of the crowd or if he punched hard, hence him lifting his hands up.

[MrLouieG]

@TM789SP2 but pacquiao beat morales by counterring morales' counters.most mexicans are like this.they initiate and ones you counter they counter your counterpunch.often times they already anticipate it and practice it all back in the gym.isn't it always like this with pacquiao and roach?pacquiao always intiates and already anticipates the counters that is why he is able to counter the counterpunch.people just plainly call it brawling but i call it anticipation or counterring the counterpunch.

[MrDugongpinoy]

@drbringit absolutely without question, MP fought different style in every different opponents unlike other "so called" boxer who fought the same style over and over again. Overall i will simply never bet againts the great duo in boxing. PAC-ROACH

[crimzzz]

@drbringit Yeah, there's no doubt about that. Knowing how quick Floyd's reflexes are, I think Roach will develop a plan to take advantage of that too. "Set a trap," if you will, by baiting Floyd to open up when he gets the impression Pac's leaving himself open unwillingly. Kind of a scary thought for Mayweather. When Floyd counters you, it goes to the cards, but when Pac counters you, it's life or death!

[supermidwestG]

@drbringit Manny will train to counter a counter puncher? You dont become a counter puncher in just a few months and what fight were you watching Manny was throwing 2 or 3 punch combos Mosley never set down long enough to give him the chance too! Its a no brainer that you are a Pactard to say Floyds defense will all of a sudden fail him or just not work is crazy he built his career around it and is undefeated! Need to try to solve the Mayweather puzzle because Manny has been solved 5 x already!

[idoknowboxing]

@drbringit...Easier said than done

[delmarfo]

@drbringit nonsense.

[loti042000]

Manny is also very good in counter punching not only 1 but 2 to 6 counter punching combination with speed and power, even floyd will do a crossover while he is running around inside the ring but with Manny's foot work i'm sure floyd will have a hard time on that fight. in terms of stamina even they will go up to 15 rounds it will be nothing for Manny he can do more than that, he is machine.

[StylinAzn]

Great analysis Rodney.... here is an interview of Chop Chop Corley who was Mosely's sparring partner and what he had to say post fight... he said the truth.

watch?v=RB0Qb2huojg

[drbringit]

@StylinAzn: Thank you for this recommedation. Hmm, I wonder if Corley is a "Pactard"...LOL. It's funny how people automatically think when giving Manny any type of props, that you must be a "Pactard", so short-sighted. Anyway, I'm going to save this video and offer it to my belligerent contributors, lol. Thanks again!!!

[tabootabor]

floyd is over defensive.over protective,he won,t win the fight that,s why he won,t fight pacman.

[delmarfo]

I'm sorry but this video's introduction is disgraceful. A 'beautiful display of boxing'. That is a joke! Lets keep it real and stop jumping on the Manny bandwagon. Listen, if Shane got on his bike and made his own adjustments why couldn't Manny adjust and just cut off the ring. Mosley is a 39 year old man and he couldn't cut off the ring.

[drbringit]

@delmarfo: Trust me, you're not alone. Many people weren't happy with this fight, because they wanted to see Mosley be the one to step up and give Manny a good fight. I stated in my prediction that Mosley just was not creative enough to do the job, and unfortunately, I was right. Manny had a game plan to build his strategy around a solid body shot, and he executed that from the beginning, giving Mosley no chance to get into any rythm. To me, that was a "beautiful display".

[beezomac82]

Did this Pactard just say a "beautiful display of boxing"? WTF where you watching?!? This fight was super duper garbage both fighters were sloppy not sharp at all. If Manny fights this sloppy against Floyd it will be an easy night for Floyd. Smh i cant believe you said "Beautiful Boxing" you sir have come out of the Pactard closet. and you even said "Clotty Tried" what Pac vs Clotty fight were you watching???

[drbringit]

@beezomac82: Pactard? lol, thanks. I strive to look at the technical aspects of fights. All of Manny's fights possess some strategic component. If you watch this fight again, you might notice Manny establishing a legitimate body shot. You also might notice Manny throwing a right hook, left uppercut, straight right combo. Shane tends to guard by flailing both his hands up and out, being exposed to the uppercut. Freddy worked on this combination because he knows Mosley's tendancies.

[MyAragorn]

Good vid

[NOR3CA]

floyd is so scared right now ! cant even comment lol .. too much defense cant win that would happen to floyd he will just run all night long..and lose a decision

[Tusc9969]

The difference is Mayweather would come to WIN not to just survive and run like Mosley did. I think you're giving Mosley a little too much credit regarding his defense.The guy just fought scared and didn't want to get KTFO! Floyd comes to win and I think Manny would fight a better more brutal fight against Floyd.

[jerski14344]

At least Cotto and Margarito take the risk...but pacquiao is just too fast..thats why mosley is running backwards back pedalling

[f2warbound]

Great video n analysis man as always. Good Job!

[videotitan1]

That fight should have never happened, it was extremely boring, not because of Pacquiao but because of Shame Mostly.

[Tusc9969]

Yes Mosley is a shot fighter! That’s why I hated this fight from the beginning. I’m glad this fight blew up the way it did to be honest. Manny had trouble landing on Shane because he was in the ring with an athletic,experienced shot fighter who went in total defensive/survival mode.Shane actually said after the fight, “I didn’t open up because , you can get knocked out when you open up and take chances.” “ I have never been hit like that, and Manny is the best fighter in the world.”

[CrusadeThree]

"Inactivity does not win boxing", well said!

[idoknowboxing]

Manny showed his inability to box and set traps and use counterpunching to catch Shane like Floyd did..The one thing u must have to fight Manny is JAB!! the only fighter that was able to expose Manny was Cotto...strong jab ability to box some counterpunching..but Cotto chin was in question and being weightdrained didnt help either..Shane has no jab and the one thing he had is gone and thats handspeed

[tracktorag]

@idoknowboxing Did you know what happen to manny`s left foot biceps?

[crimzzz]

@idoknowboxing It's no mystery that Floyd and Manny possess very contrasting styles. I agree that Pac "boxed" very little to not at all and if you really look at all of his fights, he rarely or never has 'cause it's not what's made him effective in the ring. It's also worth noting that Mosley threw very little to even give Pac a chance to counter. Keep in mind that the boxer, which you claimed to expose Pac, fell into a trap, got countered and hit the canvas

[drbringit]

@idoknowboxing: I will have to agree with your statement about the "jab". When Shane lost to Vernon Forrest the first time, Vernon said something very profound. He confidently said, "What beats speed is a good jab". Beating Manny will not be easy, but here are the ingredients to pulling such a feat: 1) Prevent Manny from gaining rythm by a snap jab and move 2) clinch after attempting to counter 3) circle to Manny's right 4) Move laterally to avoid combinations and not straight back.

[zendo09]

@drbringit so easy to say ... but so hard to do ... :)

[littlewing62]

@drbringit that's when you havn't tasted a counter hook or a straight left yet. people always talk before the fight that they have the perfect game plan, perfect mentality and go for a toe to toe fight. but then they taste a combination or a fast straight left and go defensive mode. go to manny's right side and taste a cross. i doubt someone moves fast enough in boxing right now to avoid manny's left cross. jab and he'll catch you with a left hook, best is go for straight rights against pac.

[f50koenigg]

@idoknowboxing watch?v=ui-7QZLuDD0 i dont think so, Do you really know how manny counters cotto jabs? Thank god pac didnt do this to mosley. watch the link. Manny did this to DLH, HAtton, COtto, and margarito who prefers jab to keep manny on distance but look how manny execute a counter against jab.

[spyph]

@idoknowboxing Cotto was never weight drained during Pacquiao fight, he weighed just 1 lbs less when he fought Clottey, He was in his natural weight division! Even clottey was in his usual weight when he fought pacquiao! Cotto was the best boxer pacquiao had fought in recent years. Pacquiao-Marquez 3 would be exciting1

[idoknowboxing]

@spyph ..As a matter of fact Cotto was weightdrained... You have to understand Manny Pacquiao team put restrictions on fight night weight. Where Cotto rehydrate to like 155 to 160 he was only 150 the night of the fight..thats a 5 to 10lbs diff..what do you think hes loosing..FAT!..NO hes loosing muscle...WEIGHTDRAINED

[spyph]

@idoknowboxing hahah... weight drained? so he was weight drained cos of 1 lbs less than when he fought clottey. Maybe you are right. argue that with the commisioner. hehehe... and tell the Cotto team and trainer that they are so stupid and fool. Like YOU! hahaha...

[TheTjcdRamos]

If Mosley were able to hit Floyd what do u think of Manny's chances of hitting him?

[CrusadeThree]

@TheTjcdRamos 100percent chance. Even the bloated Marquez clipped Floyd with a left hook.

[idoknowboxing]

@drbringit: HEY long time no hear....U know me I watched the fight twice already and I have to say that fight was worst than the Margarito fight...Shane looked like he couldnt pull the trigger maybe it was Manny speed maybe not! But Manny seemed frustrated cause Shane wouldnt just stand a throw punches..Manny was unable to set traps for Shane and was reaching all nite, the chasing and constant reaching for Shane probably cause the leg cramps...

[drbringit]

@idoknowboxing: yo, nice to see you again! Yeah, good point. See, Shane didn't really "run away", but just kept a safe distance and made Manny reach more than he had to. That is probably why Manny was cramping up. Honestly, I think Manny might have been "sandbagging" a bit to try and lure Floyd, lol, what do you think? Did you catch the Corley interview? that was posted in this thread? If so, let me know what you think. Interesting coming from someone who fought Floyd. Nice to see you again!

[livehappy18]

good analysis, hey man, you're better than teddy atlas!

[keytrixz]

He swam for the walls and didn't want to drown. He felt like he should preserve his record of not being knock out.

[indorican1]

pac looked unmotivated and bored after the 3rd knockdown because pac probably expected mosley to retaliate and get respect but he dint.I think that turn pac off because Pac whats a challenge, someone who can hit him so he can feel the fire and get his killer instinct turned on. But if he sees u retrieving like shame mosley did, the fighting spirit is over and pac becomes mechanical and he just goes through the motion without the fire and motivation to kill u....so instead he goes easy on U

[f50koenigg]

@indorican1 thats right, thats why we have to give margarito the credit to stand toe to toe against pac even his face is completely busted he made the fight very exciting.

[indorican1]

@f50koenigg ,he is a tough guy for sure but margarito is slow as a turtle and pac took advantage of that. the fight was exciting but not competitive....peace !!

[f50koenigg]

@indorican1 thats why styles makes fight. Atleast margarito manage to throw almsot 1000 punch against pac. Pac only throwed 500+ punches against mosley. Eventhough you can say not competetive, in history of boxing, Many slow fighter literally beat a quicker fighter. Its part of history my friend..

[indorican1]

@f50koenigg , welll Pac is changing history....his beat evrybody....big, slow fast ,old etc....my amigo....

[f50koenigg]

@indorican1 well search history, even an old, slow fighter can beat a younger quicker boxers. Its all about skills and how you can handle your skills. Just look Cotto did to judah and the young jewish boxer. Cotto is slow. and by the way pac fought a 27 year old cotto. HAggler beat and k.o a younger and quicker tommy hearns... Thats why I will say skills and styles makes fight. Its not just about physical attributes. Marquez destroyed katsidis who is younger and quicker. Pac is just that good..

[crimzzz]

@indorican1 I agree with that observation to a degree. Although, I don't believe he "goes easy" intentionally and I see that turning into huge problem for Pac against Floyd. Then again, I don't get the impression Pac would enter the ring with the same expectations to get into a brawl, should that fight happen.

In my opinion, the difference in reflex speed between the 2 will play the biggest role. I feel Floyd has the upper hand, BUT I hope to see Pac solve the puzzle.

[indorican1]

@crimzzz , Well, you have to remember that Mosley caught floyd a couple of times and pac is faster than mosley. since mosley did not any real punches is hard to measure what would have been pac's reaction as far as speed. for sure floyd has much better defense and reflex. Pac needs to cut the ring better so he can trap instead of just walking chasing u around.Floyd? i dont know if that fight is going to ever happen...maybe when pac is 50 years old...peace bro !!

[crimzzz]

@indorican1 Hah, I can't blame Floyd, assuming he truly is afraid of the guy. IF Pac does get a win over Floyd, it'll more than likely get done in a devastating fashion, simply 'cause I can't see him win through "out-boxing" Floyd, but overwhelming or possibly knocking Floyd out. You're completely right about Pac needing to learn to cut the ring off better. Even Hatton had some success early in his bout with Floyd, cutting the ring off. Only, he lacked the speed, agility and power Pac possesses.

[indorican1]

@crimzzz , yes indeed....that will make him even greater. If he ever fight he will need to do that cuz floyd is very slippery with his defense...will see if that ever happens...peace !!

[MrLouieG]

@crimzzz neither floyd or pacquiao can outbox each other if floyd decides to stay defensive but one sure thing pacquiao will outscore floyd basing on the 10 point system.

[crimzzz]

@MrLouieG I believe Rodney already pointed that out. I attempted to clarify it someone else, who posted a comment for this video. Yes, if Manny is capable of overwhelming Floyd, forcing him to stay on his defense constantly, Pac will most definitely win over the judges on activity. That's obvious. In the case of Pac boxing at Floyd's pace, I personally feel he's at a disadvantage. Although, it would be nice to see Pac manage to outbox Floyd. It would be much more impressive, to me, than a KO.

[crimzzz]

@crimzzz I can't deny how much more it would be exciting to see Pac pull off a win by way of knock out, though. I wonder what other Pacquiao fans would prefer. Outsmarting Floyd by out-boxing him or knocking him out?

[MrLouieG]

@crimzzz if floyd insists to be defensive on the whole fight both will end up in a stalemate.neither outboxes the other but pacquiao will outscore floyd.i don't see floyd outboxing pacquiao.floyd is a potshotter.how can a potshotter outbox a relentless boxer?unless that guy is class B.let us be real,both guys are a+ fighters.let us judge it by their style,skills,physical abilities and most of all the 10 point system.how can floyd outbox pac and how can pac outbox a defensive shell?

[crimzzz]

@MrLouieG I think you maybe misreading what I'm explaining 'cause I agree that Pac would win on the scorecards, should Floyd stay on his defense and nothing more. Yes, Floyd does pot shot, but let's not forget that even soft shots that land do get counted and he's very accurate with them. This is why he doesn't rely on knock outs to win. While Floyd knows how to neutralize a relentless fighter, he's never had to deal with any in Pac's caliber. I never said Pac can outbox a defensive shell.

[crimzzz]

@MrLouieG You seem to be misinterpreting my comments. 1: I never said either of them were any less than A+ boxers. 2: If I didn't judge them by their respective styles, I would have them winning in ways that either don't seem realistic or even suit their contrasting talents.

[zendo09]

@MrLouieG that's why FLOYD JR didn't fight ANTONIO margarito . and MIGUEL COTTO ... :)

[MrLouieG]

@zendo09 floyd chooses his oponents well to give him more of the advantages.he knows that cotto and margarito will beat him up.he is never that good in welter.his greatness stopped at junior welter.

[zendo09]

@MrLouieG i agree ... so why other people said that pacman is well handed enough ? ... it's too bad that pakman is on the lower division .. before he meet up with this bigger guys ...

[MrLouieG]

@zendo09 i think it is the right time for the promoters and the team pacquiao to protect pac.he has done more than enough in boxing that he deserves it.the right time will come to put him up to a very good fight if the right oponent comes along money wise and skill wise.if i am pacquiao i would also appreciate it.i would gladly want to have a good healthy retirement for my family.unlike with floyd he had a lot of unfinished business and he just stopped.

[drbringit]

@indorican1: Nice points, bro. I think Manny had a tougher time sparring with King Khan, hehe. Did you check out the Corley video that was posted in this thread? Let me know what you think.

[indorican1]

@drbringit , i dint see the thread of corley...if u can show where...i will like to see it

[drbringit]

@indorican1: Sure, here it is... /watch?v=RB0Qb2huojg

[indorican1]

@drbringit , I am not surprise at all.....corley is an old pro...he fought Floyd and sparred with mosley. he knows whats in the kitchen...floyd is no fool...he is a clever business man even though it sounds crazy to pass on 100m,,,but I guess floyd rather keep his pretty face than to gamble against the odds....will see bro ...peace !!

[f50koenigg]

@indorican1 watch?v=lCZrOPrP-3o&feature=re­lated look how flashy pac counters cotto's jabs. In split of a second when you are about throw your jabs, manny already landed his left on your face. That's why jabs is not able to stop pac. Its like suicide instead of chance to win.

[indorican1]

@f50koenigg ,Pac's defense is his offense,,,counter speed...he still needs to learn how to cut the ring better and trap his opponent....but he is a fast angle fighting human machine.....peace !!

[tabootabor]

Hey !!! man mosley almost k.o floyd in the second round man,but last night i saw pacman k.o mosley wooooo !!! i loved it man i think pacman is better than floyd.people booing because mosley running backward.keep up the good work man.

[necrom21221]

Finally a person with Common Sense. Nice video man thumbs up.

[jrlee31]

i really hope manny v floyd happens. when shane fought floyd, he was moving forward and willing to throw punches. even though from rd 3 onwards he was being countered. but with Pacquiao, it was a different story.

throwing a total over 500 punches vs shane and still winning and backing up shane tells you that when pacquiao fights floyd, it will be a different approach. combination and he's out. hope fight happens

[vonzen]

well said man.. i think pacquiao fought a smart fight too. he made mosley respect him in the early rounds. and took everything away from mosley. he could have taken mosley down but chose not to. which is good. he didnt need to take unnecessary punishment to win fights. on the other hand, his fights will no longer be exciting anymore. heck. even flomos are complaining.

[Pullcountertv]

I'm sorry but I do noe agree, this fight needs to be called what it is (BS). Manny was sloppy, Shane was a SHAME.

Can't polish a turd.

[RJJP4PKING]

i disagree tbh i saw alot of wild punches from manny mosley is no mayweather in defensive terms and at this time in his career even in offense i think floyd will land alot of big big right hands if they fight paq could not pin down shane he will never be able to pin down mayweather

[TM789SP2]

i disagree with some of your points bro. manny went from throwing 1000 punches against margarito and clottey, to only throwing just over 500 punches against mosley. So your telling me that when manny goes up against mayweather, the fighter who even you said is the best defensive fighter in the game, that he will be able to hit mayweather with all those combinations??? Not likely bro. Mayweather is not there to be hit, he keeps moving, feignts, & rolls the punches. Manny will be countered easily

[amabadboy11]

@TM789SP2 yea but u must look at the fights they were there marg n clottey 2 get hit cotto as well shane after the 3rd round knockdown he was like fuck this am not gonna get tko 4 the first time in his career n he knew if he opened up like how he did he would get knocked out or his face would have been fucked up n it was brused n manny only landed like 200 shots mosely ran away back peddling the rest of the fight n u could tell manny right leg was hurting him until rd 10

[TM789SP2]

@amabadboy11 So if manny only landed 200 shots on mosley, he probably only lands at best 100-120 on floyd. Floyd going to fight manny in a boxer style, so yeah he is going to slip punches and walk away from the punches ("back peddling" as you call it)... The leg issues is an excuse, just like the excuse from mosley saying his arm hurt or something like that he said. They both looked fine to me... Nonetheless, floyd will not be there to be hit.

[amabadboy11]

@TM789SP2 n floyd has no power 2 get manny scared 2 think about comming in but i think floyd will have a tough fight with dealing with manny n same goes for manny trying 2 get through the best defense vs best offense is how i look at that fight wateva gameplan wrks will win but i dnt think the shit will ever happen

[TM789SP2]

@amabadboy11 its not all about one hit power, its about accumulation of punches. floyd will be really challenged by manny from the stand point of his high output of punching, but when a guy punches that much he will be there to be countered. especially the way manny lunges in, he will be there to be hit. Floyd by decsion or late stoppage if manny is overly aggresive.

[amabadboy11]

@TM789SP2 yea i see ur point could happen but i think if floyd wins itll be a split- decision manny could get countered all night long with straight rights etc but i dnt see him stopping manny at all but ok

[MrLouieG]

@amabadboy11 what if manny counters floyd counterpunch.will floyd counter as well?then as a result it will be a brawl?if you want to beat pacquiao you should expect that he will always counter your counterpunch and you should be prepared for a scientific brawl.can floyd do that?

[amabadboy11]

@MrLouieG well i doubt floyd will ever allow himself 2 go into a brawl both jst throwing punches cause if he does that he floyd will be in trouble i can see manny knocking him out if its a brawl but the possiblity of that going down are very slim. i see it as floyd jst moving away pot shooting manny from the outside as manny comes in prob for floyd is manny does not get discouraged n i do see manny landing on floyd with his combos prob 4 manny is landing enough n hurting floyd to win

[MrLouieG]

@amabadboy11 first basic thing to fight against a southpaw is to pressure him.with your idea,floyd is sure likely to lose.have you seen floyd backing up against a southpaw?never,because it is the only way for you to control a southpaw because ones a southpaw gains control over you then you are done.watch all of floyd's fight against a southpaw.all of them floyd pushes the fight to gain momentum.i suggest you study all of floyd's fight against southpaws so that you will understand better.

[amabadboy11]

@MrLouieG oh i do staying in the pocket , the check hook , the lead right , the counter jab , floyd has great technics with both right handed boxers and left handed but look at the trouble he had fighting chop chop corley and zab judah a perfect example even doe he eventually he figure them out zab he lost well the first fight cause he has no stamina n chop chop was jst not that great compare them 2 pacman n u cnt he on a dif level then them all am saying is floyd is gonna have his most

[amabadboy11]

@MrLouieG difficult fight n manny is gonna have the hardest fight as well thats why they need 2 get in there but if ur saying floyd is jst gonna dominate manny 12 rounds i dnt agree with u but am not saying floyd will lose shit i can see him winning a decision but u saying he gonna brawl with manny i dnt see that at all

[MrLouieG]

@amabadboy11 floyd can't beat manny on defense.the only chance he got is to pressure pac and that leads to brawl.if floyd can pull off a style he used in mitchel well then he got a chance but seeing him fight judah i don't think he got a chance with pacquiao and that is a fact because the evidence lie in the judah fight.he can't perform like that with pacquioa.pacquiao will absolutely demolish him.floyd must give 10 times what he did to judah to win over pacquiao.the evidence lie in that video.

[amabadboy11]

@MrLouieG yea i agree with that he def has 2 work 2 win this fight jst how manny really has 2 work 2 win but 2 him thats all he does he does not get tired

[TM789SP2]

@amabadboy11 i can agree with you that it MAY go split descion because in all likelihood there may be one judge that like the aggresiveness and punch output out manny.

[crimzzz]

@TM789SP2 I don't think he meant that Manny would find success in landing "all those combinations" on Money. Only that he expects Pac to be much busier or "active" enough to overwhelm Mayweather. As in the Clottey fight, where Pac didn't land cleanly on many occasions, but won over the judges simply for being the busier fighter. Like you, I can also see Pac get countered easily, but let's not forget that Pac has the ability to counter a counter attack just as well and with great power.

[TM789SP2]

@crimzzz your misguided if you think that fight will be anything like the clottey fight. May doesnt not fight in a defensive shell like and stand right in front of his oppoent. May fights in the philly shell defense, slip punches, and works the ring. Manny will throw many punches but they wont land. May will keep him at the end of his jab and coast to the decsion victory unless manny gets wreckless by which he will get KOed. Manny will have a few momments where he hits floyd hard, but not many

[crimzzz]

@TM789SP2 I never said that it would be anything like the Clottey fight. I was only attempting to clarify Rodney's analysis to you, but you obviously misread. Yes, we all know of Mayweather's defense is superior and nothing like Clottey's. I was explaining that IF Mayweather is constantly on his defense and not letting his hands go enough, that Pac's high output would win the judges over, ACCORDING TO RODNEY.

My own personal rebutle was regarding only the counter attacks.

[strategery101]

Great video man! Its funny how Manny beats his opponents so bad that they almost always retire afterward. De La Hoya: TKO'd, Retired; Ricky Hatton: KO'd, Retired; Clottey: Shut out, hasn't fought since; Margarito: Broken face, hasn't fought since; Shane Mosley: Shut out and beat up, probably will retire. The only exception is the great Miguel Cotto.

[zendo09]

That punch took the heart of mosley .. it was ripped .. :)