Any "peaceful" Muslim . . reading the Koran, seeing what the Islam stands for, wants, promotes, and is doing around the world now and wants to do in the future . . . would leave Islam and want no part of it. Those that don't leave are sanctioning it.
@AnnaMishel Anna, you are absolutely correct. But, such is the nature of the deception that so many refuse to see is occurring. Instead, they would rather see the whitewash, the phony facade, the Islamic religion through rose colored glasses. God have mercy on them one day; both those who chose to refuse to view Islam as it truly is, as well as those who chose to propagate a lie, rather than tell the truth. Thanks for chiming in.
@6thMessenger How can you say that? I have read a book you should too called Islam and Terrorism which was written by Mark Gabriell who changed his name he used to be a muslim and converted had to change his name. HIs own father tried to KILL him when he said he was a christian. there are 3 stages to jihad. They act peaceful, recruit and then ATTACK to weed out unbelievers. How do you think they took over a lot of other lands. They preached peace until they had enough power. God bless.
@KrimsonKaleidascope KK, I've read my share of Islamic material over the years and met quite a few Muslims along the way, and the reason I concur with 6thM is because he/she is right: not all Muslims are malcontents. In fact, it is because they aren't as bad as Islam wants to make them that we don't see more acts of terror than we do in the world. Nevertheless, I agree with you that jihad (which is commanded of all Muslims) is a process. Thank God many of them are not obeying that process.
@zarbar2 I've got a better idea. How about instead of hiding, we simply tell the truth about Islam? We'll expose its false teaching, its violent history, and continued plans for oppression and bloodshed, and then offer every person who continues to subscribe to its tenets a one-way ticket to the nearest Muslim governed country, where they can practice their religion in solitude? That is, unless they have been implicated in murder (like those in the video), in which case, we'll execute them.
@Derengowski WELL, my post was a joke. I guess you haven't seen that video.
As far as your response goes, I was raised in a very liberal Muslim house, but I agree 100% that, actually, ALL religions are quite the waste of life.
@zarbar2 Well, not ALL religions are a waste of life. Just those with false religious leaders and doctrine that dupe and compel people to abuse, maim, and murder each another—or those whom they deem to be "infidels"—in hopes of appeasing a "god" that does nor or cannot exist, like that found in the religion of Islam. In other words, if one really wants to know true from false religion, just take note of the founder of the religion, the doctrine he taught, and the life he led.
@Derengowski Are you Catholic or something? Because I'm pretty sure I can find you a crap load of falseness in Christianity as well. Your treading a very thin line here-- all religions are a waste of life. They are.
@zarbar2 Nope, not Catholic. And as I've already explained, not all religions are a waste of life. Just those like Islam are. And you being a young, impressionable 19 year-old college kid are going to be hard-pressed to convince me otherwise. Nevertheless, if you're really, really interested in discussing this, then it would probably be best that you sent me a personal message, rather than simply passing along these snippets here.
@Derengowski LOL... I think you think I'm going to embarrass myself. Whatevs... I'll send you a personal message on what IIIIII think. I think, generally speaking, it's all a load of bullshit. If everyone was a homosexual, vegetarian, atheist--- the world would be a BEAUTIFUL place.
I just read your about me section on your page-- you seem like a very intelligent person. Very impressive. I'm just a 19 year old nursing student... LOL... anyway, I will message you the video I was talking about. I'm not sure you'll find it funny though :P
@zarbar2 Well, whether I find it funny or not, one thing is for sure: I don't find what the Muslims are doing in the name of Islam to be to hilarious. In fact, I find it to be tragic. There is a better way, and it isn't by the sword. Perhaps one day you'll be privy enough to find that out. ;-)
@Derengowski I don't think the MUSLIMS in general are doing it. I think it's fair to say the Goddamn extremists are hard at work ruining lives and reputations. Anyway, I'm in a bio lecture right now (lol) so I will send you that video and reply back to you later.
@zarbar2 In general, most Muslims just want to get along with their neighbors. But, they're not the real Muslims either, because they're not following either the Qur'an or the Hadith. So, the "extremists" are those in rebellion against the tenets of Islam; not those actually doing the bombing, beheading, and indiscriminate killing.
Nevertheless, remember what I wrote about religion? Just look at the leader. Muhammad was not this nice little peaceful leader. He was a murderer himself.
@Derengowski I've been attending Friday prayers for years and never heard such outlandish bigotry. A true Muslim wouldn't kill an innocent person or God will look at them as they've killed humanity. These "extremists" aren't true Muslims. They're are lunatics who use religion to spread their political ideology.
@BabyBang17datruth Muhammad was a true Muslim and beheaded approximately 1,000 people all by himself (see ibn Ishaq). In fact, he's the one who gave us Sura 9, which is the last of his marching orders before he passed, where he commanded the killing of the mushrikun (unbelievers) and oppression of Jews and Christians. Now, if Muhammad would do and command such things, then why sit there and tell us who would do what or who you think is an extremist? Could it be that you're the bigot?
@Derengowski The Prophet had been involved in many battles. And like in any holy book, it's not a surprise to have these events in the Quran. And let me say, these events aren't made to encourage violence and aren't part of Islamic teachings. And no, he didn't kill anyone. He was the supreme ruler of the Muslim State of Madinah and so at times, he had to pass judgements on criminals to be given capital punishment. This is synonymous to the Death Penalty given by courts around the world.
@BabyBang17datruth The thousand heads that Muhammad personally lopped off had nothing to do with any battle, nor defense. It had to do with spiteful vengeance. To try and equivocate his murderous acts with the Death Penalty is fallacious reasoning. The Sura I pointed out previously does sanction oppression and murder in the name of "peace" and "submission." Those arguing to the contrary are being either deceptive or naive, thereby fulfilling the declaration by Muhammad that "War is deceit."
Great efforts are made to tell the poor dumb infidels, that half A@sed followers of the quran exist, yet the very foundation of their 'book' instructs them to lie, murder, tortue, and rape. Know Thine Enemy. Waking Up In America.
Wow, more BS propaganda. It is really sick when people by into christian propaganda. Its a war against religions not a war on terrorism, wake up! There is extremist Muslim groups killing in the name of Islam, the war in Iraq/Afghanistan was started by a christian extremist "Our former president Bush." These atrocities go both ways..... There is good and bad on both sides. Reminder: Catholic Priests Molested little boys. There are some F**k'd up people hiding behind every religion, don't forget!
@Derengowski Haha, nice try. You obviously missed the point of my comment. It was meant to be self-refuting. The moral of the story was "There are some F**k'd up people hiding behind every religion, don't forget!" If your going to demonize one group then why wouldn't you demonize all them? Point being, not all followers of Islam are bad people, just like not all Catholics are boy molesters. This video has the potential of breeding hate. Why would you want to spread more hate?
@bugsyboo29 Actually, it's you that has missed the point. All you're doing is offering your relative opinion by irrationally lumping all religions together without actually looking at their objective foundations. And that being the case, you have divorced yourself from the discussion. So, next time, don't be so hateful and demonic, and write something that is substantively true, which not only addresses the subject, but keeps you from refuting yourself. ;-)
@Derengowski OK, I get what your trying to do.You have a need, sad you use religion to fill that need, ah nevermind. I've seen your channel&your comment rebuttals,utube seems to be full of "religious TROLLS" Its sad that freedom of religion isn't valid anymore, if it ever was. I pray to God daily, that one day everyone will see the light and realize that there is only one God and end the fight of religion. There was never a discussion here just you, I will divorce this conversation though -Peace
@bugsyboo29 So, you finally understand that making relativized statements only leaves you without a rebuttal, and then you turn right around and engage in ad hominem argumentation (which is equally self-refuting), all under the guise of "freedom of religion." Yet, you want to pray to God that the latter method will be more successful than the former? You're too funny bugsboo. A fallacy is a fallacy, no matter how you try to gloss it over. Suggestion: Get informed, and get back to me. ;-)
I think that it is good that some "good Muslims" are protesting the violent actions, of others: but, unless or until Muslims DENOUNCE THE VIOLENCE THAT IS IN ISLAM, they are people that I would never--in a million years--trust, in a dark, back alley (anywhere on this planet!).
Because--as the dead Catholic scholar of the 18th century said (and whose words were quoted, by Pope Benedictus, after he was "installed", over there in Rome and the Vatican), "Islam....is a religion of violence."
@orlovna2 I couldn't agree more. Right now we can be thankful that there are several Muslims who are not practicing their religion as Muhammad dictated. But that number is changing, and there certainly are enough of them who are practicing Islam as it should be practiced, and it is a threat to any and all civilized countries and communities.
@adibeh Sorry adibeh, but making a "fake a**" rebuttal that says nothing, only so you can advertise some "bulls**t" website about Islam, isn't going to fly here. So, either pony up and write at least something substantive, or simply find yourself something else to do.
@gtr2gts Show us 15,000+ acts of Christian terrorism that have been committed since 9/11. In fact, show us 15,000+ acts of Christian terrorism period. Because that is how many acts of terrorism have been committed in the name of Islam. And if you can't do that, then your comparison is NOTHING.
@gtr2gts Sorry to inform you, but I haven't killed anyone, let alone any of your buddies. As for the 15,000+ number, just go to my site and click on the link provided on the first page. If you have a problem with the number, take it up with those who track the Muslim clowns perpetrating the carnage. I'm sure they would be more than happy to provide you a document list. Finally, if Muslims didn't kill each other, then why are so many dying in the Middle East at the hands of their brethren?
({if Muslims didn't kill each other, then why are so many dying in the Middle East at the hands of their brethren?)
thats the point i want u to reach these terrorists are working to Distort the name of islam and the real terrorist is america or what ever and can u tell me how they could get RPGs and mussles????
@gtr2gts Pardon me, but going all the way back to Muhammad, the prescription in Islam is to conquer by the sword. Verse after verse in the Koran and the Hadith are evidence. Moreover, when we turned to Shariah Law, it's all about force, terror, and tyranny. So, the terrorists that are killing Muslims, Jews, Christians, and whoever refuses to comply, are Muslims who take Muhammad, the Koran, and Hadith seriously. Conversely, it's those Muslims who don't, who are the true "radicals."
@Unity4allhumans Instead of speaking in incoherent generalities, how about we compare Jesus with Muhammad instead. How many people did Jesus behead? Zero. Muhammad? 600-900 (maybe more). How many little girls did Jesus marry and bed down? Zero. Muhammad. We know that Aisha was 6 when he married her, and 9 when he had sex with her. Finally, did Jesus ever sanction the beating of one's wife? No. How about Muhammad? Surah 4:34 says it all. After all women are just "tilth" in Islam.
@Unity4allhumans Why of course; the Muslims have never killed anyone at anytime, anywhere. In fact, all those who committed the murders in the news reports were Jews and Christians.
As for your bet, I'll simply give the standard ignoramus Muslim response by blaming the Jews as well. They allegedly reneged on a agreement with Muhammad, felt bad about it, and then offered up their heads willingly.
So, when and where is your funeral going to be? You are going to make good on your bet, right?
@Derengowski So if you know they were executed as a result of treason and directly resulted in the murder of many people in medina. Why try to vilify Islam?
You are aware in 20th century western laws treason alone holds a death penalty.
Why do you hide the historical context as if the 600 were innocent people that had commit no crime and why do you hide the facts that Jews were the ones to call for their execution?
@Unity4allhumans You don't get it. The whole story is a trumped up charge based in Antisemitism. No Jew worth his salt would do as the Muslim suggests in the whole convoluted story which attempts to justify Muhammad's bloodlust. And only an ignoramus would argue to the contrary.
So, once again, when and where is your funeral, since obviously I knew the answer you were looking for? Or are you saying that you're not going to honor your bet? If so, further communications here are dwindling.
@Derengowski no its based on historical evidence. Non muslim historians and theologians all attest to this but people have to take your word for it huh.
Your no christian telling lies is not a Jesus trait something out of the tulmad more like it. You can not claim anti semitism when Jews were free to worship peacefully under Islamic rule. Also you can not make such claims because arab muslims are semites them self and Islam confirms the old and first testiment.
@Unity4allhumans No, it's based on wishful Muslim thinking. Again, no Jew worth his salt would do as the Muslim apologist wish they would, just so that the Muslims could exonerate their beloved "prophet" from his murderous acts.
@Unity4allhumans Since your line of thinking has descended to toilet level, and all you're wanting to do is be personally insulting—a good sign that you have conceded defeat in the argument—plus, since you're obviously are not going to live up to losing the bet you made by extinguishing your own life, you may consider yourself dismissed from further discourse. No need in answering a fool according to his follow, but instead, I'll answer the fool as his folly deserves (Prov. 26:4-5). Buh-bye.
@Derengowski Btw i am not saying that muslims do not commit crimes but i find it dispicable to label individual actions and blame their religious background. Who have just condoned calling all priest child molesters.
@Unity4allhumans Why is it despicable, when it is was their religious worldview that compelled them to act? Moreover, where in the Bible or any Christian creed is child molestation condoned or commanded?
Conversely, how many times is killing the infidel, apostate, or one's wife or children condoned or commanded in Islam? One Jihadist recently claimed that there were 400 commands, just in the Koran, demanding violent Jihad against unbelievers. And after reading it, I think he may be right.
@Derengowski Do you see how blind you are? You admit that th execution was directed towards those committing trechory and that God permitted Muslims to defend them self but you insist on removing the truth from the equasion to spread misinformation. I can assure Jesus would not want anything to do with a wrong doer like you. It people with ignorance thatt god Jesus crucified.
@Unity4allhumans I admitted to no such thing. Go back and re-read my comments, rather than ignoring them to further whatever agenda you might have.
As for what you know about Jesus, God, and the crucifixion, I think it's safe to say that that knowledge is as equally skewed as your knowledge of Islam and Muhammad's senseless murders that he committed in the name of "submission."
you don't have over 15 thousand acts of cheristian torrorism but in each you kill over 15 thousand my friend
very simple example Algeria is now called the country of the million and half million Martyrsand and its called by this very nice Nickname thanks to the christians but of course not in the name of terrorism but in the name of WAR
@Derengowski US military have committed thousands of crimes against humanity consistant with terrorism. There has been over 20 million death as a result of Iraqi war. Cancer due depleated Uranium is 600 x higher. Bush was christian was he not when he had a vision before this invasion. God spoke to him.
Your not a good christian i could be a bad muslim and say christians are too busy fondling little boys to become terrorist.
The quote taking obviously out of context from "The Life of Muhammad" by Ibn Ishaaq, shows us that the person who made this video clip is a retard. When a citizen of a state rises up and betrays his nation - he's considered a traitor. A traitor's is put to immediate death; The only difference is that in America, we jail them. In Turkey, they shoot traitors...but 1,400 years ago, they chopped their heads off...so..what's your point? You like traitors...are you a traitor...are you against America?
Yeah, it was the Jews fault that Muhammad cut off their heads. Do you realize just how "retarded" that sounds? Nevertheless, thanks for confirming just how brutal Muhammad was as a warlord.
Islam is a religon of peace not pacifism. We will not let people continue to unjustly push us around. If you want peace then get out of our countries.
What you call peace, not pacifism, the real world calls terrorism through fascist means. And just who is being treated unjustly when an idiot attempts to blow up a plane with a bomb in his underwear? Who is being treated unjustly when a Muslim husband beheads his wife for the stupidest of reasons? Finally, why cannot we have peace by simply getting rid of the Muslim thugs, like those in this video, regardless of what country they are in?
Maybe you should learn what the word facism means...because aparently you don't know the definition. Until America stops installing and propping up puppet regimes in our countries for cheap oil there will never be peace. America needs to stop trying to control the Muslim world and stay in its own boarders. America is not a victim.
As for what you think will bring peace, especially in light of the questions you conveniently avoided, I think we can take your advice with a grain of salt. The fact is, the Muslim has not idea what peace means, if the Muslim chooses to follow the tenets of Islam. Islam from its inception has meant nothing more than death, torture, and tyranny to anyone who dares to oppose its oppressive ways. So, before you decide to hand out anymore advice on peace, do a little Islamic history check.
You are correct and Muslims will NEVER be peaceful untill you get out of our countires. Have you ever heard of the chant "no justice, no peace"? If Islam is so violent why are people all over the world converting to Islam like wildfire?
Sorry, but, there will be peace one day, and it will have nothing to do with where you think Americans have transgressed Islamic territory, or what Islam has to say about reality.
As for your silly question about "conversion," there are really only two reasons anyone would be naive enough to become a Muslim: Ignorance and Force. In other words, people either know nothing about Islam, or they join because they're forced to. It has absolutely nothing to do with intelligent inquiry.
I converted to Islam. I was not forced and I have more intelligence than 99% of the secular American fools that call themselves "free thinking". PLEASE DON'T SPEAK FOR ME.
You may be more intelligent than the so-called "Free Thinkers," but that doesn't mean your "conversion" (a misnomer) to Islam was based on intelligence. Besides, just because you were naive enough to join Islam does not mean that literally millions (billions?) over the course of history have not been forced to "convert" at the point of a sword. So, I'm not speaking for you. I'm simply telling you the truth, which you cannot deny. The only remaining question is, are you able to admit it?
Milions of people have been and are CURRENTLY being forced to become a secular democracies at the barrel of a gun. I don't think Islam has worked that way.
Again, you're speaking out of ignorance having not done your historical homework on the formation and development of Islam down through the centuries. Not only was Muhammad a tyrannical thug, so were his caliphs. And when one takes a look at the Qur'an, the Hadiths, and the Sunnah, then it is no big surprise when one then reads comments like those by Muslim Brotherhood darling Sayyid Qutb who stated that bringing about Shariah law cannot be done only through preaching, but through force.
@newtype64 so many are converting out of it as well. People are trying to find something to believe. It is your relationship with Creator and with Immanuel.
If muslims were not stigmatized 24/7 and islamic education was broadcasted maybe the distinction between extremism and islam could be made...but since there is an overwhealming amount of IGNORANCE the stigma is just reinforced by the media.
The only ones stigmatizing the Muslims are themselves, as is evidenced in this series of video clips where real, genuine, Qur'an loving, Muhammad modeling Muslims acted out their religion according to its mandates and prescriptions. And to try and shift the attention away from the heinousness that Islam promotes, in an effort to make everyone else guilty, when all they're doing is telling the truth about Islam, is just more of what one should expect from those who do not know the truth.
have you read what I said? im muslim too but im not extremist. You can make anyone/anything look bad by taking clips reflecting negative behavior. There are so many muslims out there. One thing is for sure, you don't know anything about islam.
Way to go cd. Ignore the message and attack the messenger. The fact is, unless you're out and about oppressing and killing people in a manner like Muhammad did, and the Qur'an and Hadiths command you to, then you're not much of a Muslim. Phony baloney Muslim, maybe. But, that's a far cry from being a real one. Nevertheless all sensible people thank you for your pretentiousness. On the other hand, you might want to start thinking about another religion, because Islam definitely isn't you.
Ahh, there's nothing like a conspiracy theorist who just doesn't get it. Why of course the US attacked itself. Just forget all the other 15,000 attacks subsequent to 9/11 which are Islam related, because none of them in any way, shape or form had anything to do with it, even though it was only 8 years earlier that the Muslims tried to bring down the towers with a truck bomb. Prince, you really need to wake up. You're almost there, but not quite. Muslims were responsible for 9/11 as well.
Good video Paul. Islam is a religion of peace only under their strict definition of "peace." It is certainly not a religion of peace to its own women. Mr. Rambo here is certainly being "politically correct" when he calls Umar the "alleged." Umar's but burned self is more than enough proof he is guilty. Maybe Rambo thinks another passenger forced their explosive lined underwear on him while he was asleep on the plane.
Thanks Igazzini! And you're right: rambo, and all the rest of the Muslim sympathizers can only be "pc" when it comes to something like this. Because only the slightest objective look at what the Muslim terrorists are doing ought to be fair warning that Islam is anything but a "religion of peace," and that more than " few" are carrying out their terroristic Islamic beliefs to the nth degree.
and next time u want to post a video- u either do it objectively or don't do it at all-
U fail to realize that 2006 estimates and counts- 655,000 iraqi civilian deaths due to US military war (2.5% of the iraqi population) not including the millions displaced, diseased, starving,- and NOT including afghan death tolls alone- its a massacre over 7 years- but hey its a war so its justified in your logic- and its not FAVORABLE as you put it- I don't even want to go back into history-1991, viatnam,
It doesn't get much more objective than quoting from Islamic sources and showing the actual footage of Muslim terrorists flying planes into buildings. So, your threatening challenge is not only without warrant. Thanks, nonetheless, for exhibiting the very Jihadist attitude that is exposed in the video. May others note your hostility and be forewarned that what I produced was spot on. And your diversionary numbers are a logical fallacy known as tu quoque, and does nothing to help your cause.
it seems u still don't understand my point. U wonder why these acts are committed and u don't know that the answer is the US invasions. Who has been pushing for 'democracy for decades before 9/11 and forcing their system on ppl- thats the cause- u don't understand ur enemy very well- do u even know what Islam means ? before u even hate- and I know the teachings very well- the correct Islamic interpretations & purpose for each revelation that was revealed.
No, rambo, you don't want to admit it, that Islam from the days of Muhammad has been a religion of conquest. And all your ad hominem argumentation only serves to prove an implicit concession of the argument. You want to attack me as your method of defense, instead of dealing with 14 centuries of Islamic tyranny and fascism, all of which is leading to what we see today in one terrorist attack after another against anyone (specifically Jews & Christians) getting in the way of the Islamic ideal.
1st am speaking from experience- 2nd Iam moderate muslim- I come from a 3rd world country. christians,jews,muslims live peacefully side by side with majority muslim countries-the ideology is extremism existing in all societies- but the video portrays & selects Islam and ignores the ROOT CAUSES for these individual actions- did u ever ask urself the reason behind these acts?its emotional reaction/revenge for muslim massacres done by CIA /US military 'terror' wars in Iraq,afghan,leb past&present.
What your experiences are, and where you come from is irrelevant. And you're pointing fingers at others, while conveniently ignoring what Muhammad did and taught, along with what the Qur'an, Hadiths, the Caliphs, and subsequent Imams teach and have done, is nothing more than irresponsible intellectual dishonesty. What these Muslim terrorists are doing has nothing to do with the CIA or US military, and everything to do with the Jihadist mentality to rule the world through Islamic conquest.
first learn the arabic word 'Jihad' it has many meanings- and in Islam jihad means 'confrontation' to confront the aggrassors, opprossers of Muhammad's(as) time- and If u knew the Koran well as u claim- then u know that the verse commanding the muslims to 'fight and slay their enemy..' came down when the pagans of medina broke the truce with the muslims and attacked them, and again u have moderate muslims protesting for peace and against these acts and u still equate it with jihad-ignorant
Again, more ad hominem attacks only proves what I've been saying all along is true. You can't argue against the message, so you set out to attack the messenger. Fine. So be it. Thank you for the personal attacks. It is synonymous with what was seen in the video, whereby the Muslim demonstrates his vehement hatred of the truth, engages in a malicious attack against the innocent, and then sits back and blames everyone except himself, with the irrational expectation of being reward by Allah.
lol just because ur using the latin word 'ad hominem' doesn't mean it excludes u from argueing my point. your use of it is a way to get out of the argument but its more of a logical fallacy on your part and you don't really understand that the message your presenting is not accurate or even vaguely truthful in true islam. Media stories seem to be your only outlet and sources and that is not credible or even remotely reasonable considering the true nature of Islamic lifestyles & muslims
First of all, an ad hominem is a personal attack that is nothing more than a diversionary tactic to avoid the subject. Those who persist in ad hominem argumentation implicitly concede the argument. Second, you say that the media sources are not credible, yet that which has been presented here occurred in real, time-space history. Hence, they are credible. Third, there were several Islamic references given in the video. So, your final charge concerning Muslim authority is without warrant.
exactly, I am not personally attacking u but the accusations in the video.The stories u posted r mostly ALLEGATIONS- and the incident of the nigerian still has to go through trial- so any of this media coverage does not mean its true until PROVEN- Have you seen the REAL pics of the real Umar Mutallab ? or the real video of him in Amsterdam and compared it to the picture they ALLEGE is the bomber? No credible/alternate sources for your accusations, the video presents a narrow minded view point.
Anytime you say something like, "If u knew the Koran well as u claim," then you're not attacking the video; you're attacking me. Moreover, your attempt to obfuscate the issue by making the Muslims terrorist in Detroit to be something than he is, namely guilty, borders on the ludicrous. Not only is he guilty, so is everyone of the other Muslim terrorist in the video. The did what they did in the name of Islam, and only a deceiver would try to divert attention away from that fact.
wow a shooting, a dad murders his daughter, this happens every day in America by all types of ppl from all diff religious backgrounds, domestic violence, rape, murders, shootouts, mexican beheadings and most affiliate themselves with chritianity, judiasm, atheist w/e that doesn't mean the act is taught in religion- it could be cultural/ tradition(honor killing) that mix with religion but its not religion itself- terror knows no religion- look at muslims murdered in iraq/afghan/ terror is terror
Sorry rambo, but a hasty generalization for a rebuttal only means that you have no rebuttal. Granted, people do all the things you suggest, but not one of them compare favorable to the orchestrated ideology found in Islam, which not only seeks to reek havoc upon anyone non-Muslim, but to also encourage systematic barbarism as the means to instill justice and "peace." My suggestion is that before you engage in another logical fallacy as a response, that you first learn what the argument is.
The videos don't lie, moreover, neither do the statements from Islamic sources. And the only ones spreading around "BS" to cover for the terrorism inherent in Islam are those unwilling to deal with the facts.
9/11 was inside Job....
kurdishleader 11 months ago
Any "peaceful" Muslim . . reading the Koran, seeing what the Islam stands for, wants, promotes, and is doing around the world now and wants to do in the future . . . would leave Islam and want no part of it. Those that don't leave are sanctioning it.
AnnaMishel 1 year ago 2
@AnnaMishel Anna, you are absolutely correct. But, such is the nature of the deception that so many refuse to see is occurring. Instead, they would rather see the whitewash, the phony facade, the Islamic religion through rose colored glasses. God have mercy on them one day; both those who chose to refuse to view Islam as it truly is, as well as those who chose to propagate a lie, rather than tell the truth. Thanks for chiming in.
Derengowski 1 year ago
@AnnaMishel Exactly!
Derengowski 10 months ago
Not all Muslims are bad or have ill intent, unfortunately, because of the Islamic doctrines of deception, no Muslims can be trusted.
6thMessenger 1 year ago
@6thMessenger Very well stated.
Derengowski 1 year ago
@6thMessenger How can you say that? I have read a book you should too called Islam and Terrorism which was written by Mark Gabriell who changed his name he used to be a muslim and converted had to change his name. HIs own father tried to KILL him when he said he was a christian. there are 3 stages to jihad. They act peaceful, recruit and then ATTACK to weed out unbelievers. How do you think they took over a lot of other lands. They preached peace until they had enough power. God bless.
KrimsonKaleidascope 1 year ago
@KrimsonKaleidascope KK, I've read my share of Islamic material over the years and met quite a few Muslims along the way, and the reason I concur with 6thM is because he/she is right: not all Muslims are malcontents. In fact, it is because they aren't as bad as Islam wants to make them that we don't see more acts of terror than we do in the world. Nevertheless, I agree with you that jihad (which is commanded of all Muslims) is a process. Thank God many of them are not obeying that process.
Derengowski 1 year ago
@6thMessenger if you dont pray 5 times a day, then your not a muslim
momo7002momo 11 months ago
Just hide your kids, hide your wife, and hide your husband cause they're raping everyone out here.
zarbar2 1 year ago
@zarbar2 I've got a better idea. How about instead of hiding, we simply tell the truth about Islam? We'll expose its false teaching, its violent history, and continued plans for oppression and bloodshed, and then offer every person who continues to subscribe to its tenets a one-way ticket to the nearest Muslim governed country, where they can practice their religion in solitude? That is, unless they have been implicated in murder (like those in the video), in which case, we'll execute them.
Derengowski 1 year ago
@Derengowski WELL, my post was a joke. I guess you haven't seen that video.
As far as your response goes, I was raised in a very liberal Muslim house, but I agree 100% that, actually, ALL religions are quite the waste of life.
zarbar2 1 year ago
@zarbar2 Well, not ALL religions are a waste of life. Just those with false religious leaders and doctrine that dupe and compel people to abuse, maim, and murder each another—or those whom they deem to be "infidels"—in hopes of appeasing a "god" that does nor or cannot exist, like that found in the religion of Islam. In other words, if one really wants to know true from false religion, just take note of the founder of the religion, the doctrine he taught, and the life he led.
Derengowski 1 year ago
@Derengowski Are you Catholic or something? Because I'm pretty sure I can find you a crap load of falseness in Christianity as well. Your treading a very thin line here-- all religions are a waste of life. They are.
zarbar2 1 year ago
@zarbar2 Nope, not Catholic. And as I've already explained, not all religions are a waste of life. Just those like Islam are. And you being a young, impressionable 19 year-old college kid are going to be hard-pressed to convince me otherwise. Nevertheless, if you're really, really interested in discussing this, then it would probably be best that you sent me a personal message, rather than simply passing along these snippets here.
Derengowski 1 year ago
@Derengowski LOL... I think you think I'm going to embarrass myself. Whatevs... I'll send you a personal message on what IIIIII think. I think, generally speaking, it's all a load of bullshit. If everyone was a homosexual, vegetarian, atheist--- the world would be a BEAUTIFUL place.
zarbar2 1 year ago
I just read your about me section on your page-- you seem like a very intelligent person. Very impressive. I'm just a 19 year old nursing student... LOL... anyway, I will message you the video I was talking about. I'm not sure you'll find it funny though :P
zarbar2 1 year ago
@zarbar2 Well, whether I find it funny or not, one thing is for sure: I don't find what the Muslims are doing in the name of Islam to be to hilarious. In fact, I find it to be tragic. There is a better way, and it isn't by the sword. Perhaps one day you'll be privy enough to find that out. ;-)
Derengowski 1 year ago
@Derengowski I don't think the MUSLIMS in general are doing it. I think it's fair to say the Goddamn extremists are hard at work ruining lives and reputations. Anyway, I'm in a bio lecture right now (lol) so I will send you that video and reply back to you later.
zarbar2 1 year ago
@zarbar2 In general, most Muslims just want to get along with their neighbors. But, they're not the real Muslims either, because they're not following either the Qur'an or the Hadith. So, the "extremists" are those in rebellion against the tenets of Islam; not those actually doing the bombing, beheading, and indiscriminate killing.
Nevertheless, remember what I wrote about religion? Just look at the leader. Muhammad was not this nice little peaceful leader. He was a murderer himself.
Derengowski 1 year ago
@Derengowski I've been attending Friday prayers for years and never heard such outlandish bigotry. A true Muslim wouldn't kill an innocent person or God will look at them as they've killed humanity. These "extremists" aren't true Muslims. They're are lunatics who use religion to spread their political ideology.
BabyBang17datruth 10 months ago
@BabyBang17datruth Muhammad was a true Muslim and beheaded approximately 1,000 people all by himself (see ibn Ishaq). In fact, he's the one who gave us Sura 9, which is the last of his marching orders before he passed, where he commanded the killing of the mushrikun (unbelievers) and oppression of Jews and Christians. Now, if Muhammad would do and command such things, then why sit there and tell us who would do what or who you think is an extremist? Could it be that you're the bigot?
Derengowski 10 months ago
@Derengowski The Prophet had been involved in many battles. And like in any holy book, it's not a surprise to have these events in the Quran. And let me say, these events aren't made to encourage violence and aren't part of Islamic teachings. And no, he didn't kill anyone. He was the supreme ruler of the Muslim State of Madinah and so at times, he had to pass judgements on criminals to be given capital punishment. This is synonymous to the Death Penalty given by courts around the world.
BabyBang17datruth 10 months ago
@BabyBang17datruth The thousand heads that Muhammad personally lopped off had nothing to do with any battle, nor defense. It had to do with spiteful vengeance. To try and equivocate his murderous acts with the Death Penalty is fallacious reasoning. The Sura I pointed out previously does sanction oppression and murder in the name of "peace" and "submission." Those arguing to the contrary are being either deceptive or naive, thereby fulfilling the declaration by Muhammad that "War is deceit."
Derengowski 10 months ago
Great efforts are made to tell the poor dumb infidels, that half A@sed followers of the quran exist, yet the very foundation of their 'book' instructs them to lie, murder, tortue, and rape. Know Thine Enemy. Waking Up In America.
HauntingsTelevision 1 year ago
Wow, more BS propaganda. It is really sick when people by into christian propaganda. Its a war against religions not a war on terrorism, wake up! There is extremist Muslim groups killing in the name of Islam, the war in Iraq/Afghanistan was started by a christian extremist "Our former president Bush." These atrocities go both ways..... There is good and bad on both sides. Reminder: Catholic Priests Molested little boys. There are some F**k'd up people hiding behind every religion, don't forget!
bugsyboo29 1 year ago
@bugsyboo29 And please don't forget that by trying to relativize the argument that you have entered into the realm of self-refutation. ;-)
Derengowski 1 year ago
@Derengowski Haha, nice try. You obviously missed the point of my comment. It was meant to be self-refuting. The moral of the story was "There are some F**k'd up people hiding behind every religion, don't forget!" If your going to demonize one group then why wouldn't you demonize all them? Point being, not all followers of Islam are bad people, just like not all Catholics are boy molesters. This video has the potential of breeding hate. Why would you want to spread more hate?
bugsyboo29 1 year ago
@bugsyboo29 Actually, it's you that has missed the point. All you're doing is offering your relative opinion by irrationally lumping all religions together without actually looking at their objective foundations. And that being the case, you have divorced yourself from the discussion. So, next time, don't be so hateful and demonic, and write something that is substantively true, which not only addresses the subject, but keeps you from refuting yourself. ;-)
Derengowski 1 year ago
@Derengowski OK, I get what your trying to do.You have a need, sad you use religion to fill that need, ah nevermind. I've seen your channel&your comment rebuttals,utube seems to be full of "religious TROLLS" Its sad that freedom of religion isn't valid anymore, if it ever was. I pray to God daily, that one day everyone will see the light and realize that there is only one God and end the fight of religion. There was never a discussion here just you, I will divorce this conversation though -Peace
bugsyboo29 1 year ago
@bugsyboo29 So, you finally understand that making relativized statements only leaves you without a rebuttal, and then you turn right around and engage in ad hominem argumentation (which is equally self-refuting), all under the guise of "freedom of religion." Yet, you want to pray to God that the latter method will be more successful than the former? You're too funny bugsboo. A fallacy is a fallacy, no matter how you try to gloss it over. Suggestion: Get informed, and get back to me. ;-)
Derengowski 1 year ago
The Facts arent even all true in this video
ArabFtwS0n 1 year ago
@ArabFtwS0n If they're facts, as you even admit, then how can they not be true?
Derengowski 1 year ago
LOOK UP ISLAM IN SWEDEN.
SomeRandomDude00 1 year ago
I think that it is good that some "good Muslims" are protesting the violent actions, of others: but, unless or until Muslims DENOUNCE THE VIOLENCE THAT IS IN ISLAM, they are people that I would never--in a million years--trust, in a dark, back alley (anywhere on this planet!).
Because--as the dead Catholic scholar of the 18th century said (and whose words were quoted, by Pope Benedictus, after he was "installed", over there in Rome and the Vatican), "Islam....is a religion of violence."
orlovna2 1 year ago
@orlovna2 I couldn't agree more. Right now we can be thankful that there are several Muslims who are not practicing their religion as Muhammad dictated. But that number is changing, and there certainly are enough of them who are practicing Islam as it should be practiced, and it is a threat to any and all civilized countries and communities.
Derengowski 1 year ago
@adibeh Sorry adibeh, but making a "fake a**" rebuttal that says nothing, only so you can advertise some "bulls**t" website about Islam, isn't going to fly here. So, either pony up and write at least something substantive, or simply find yourself something else to do.
Derengowski 1 year ago
this is compared by NOTHING of your cristian history of terrorism
gtr2gts 1 year ago
@gtr2gts Show us 15,000+ acts of Christian terrorism that have been committed since 9/11. In fact, show us 15,000+ acts of Christian terrorism period. Because that is how many acts of terrorism have been committed in the name of Islam. And if you can't do that, then your comparison is NOTHING.
Derengowski 1 year ago
@Derengowski
hahahahahahahahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
you don't have over 15 thousand acts of cheristian torrorism but in each you kill over 15 thousand my friend
and can you tell me where did you get the this very very very acurate number of acts in the name of islam hahahahahaaaaaaaaaay
By the way: Muslims never kill each other exept sheeaa because they are no treal muslim and they are so so few
gtr2gts 1 year ago
@gtr2gts Sorry to inform you, but I haven't killed anyone, let alone any of your buddies. As for the 15,000+ number, just go to my site and click on the link provided on the first page. If you have a problem with the number, take it up with those who track the Muslim clowns perpetrating the carnage. I'm sure they would be more than happy to provide you a document list. Finally, if Muslims didn't kill each other, then why are so many dying in the Middle East at the hands of their brethren?
Derengowski 1 year ago
@Derengowski
({if Muslims didn't kill each other, then why are so many dying in the Middle East at the hands of their brethren?)
thats the point i want u to reach these terrorists are working to Distort the name of islam and the real terrorist is america or what ever and can u tell me how they could get RPGs and mussles????
gtr2gts 1 year ago
@gtr2gts Pardon me, but going all the way back to Muhammad, the prescription in Islam is to conquer by the sword. Verse after verse in the Koran and the Hadith are evidence. Moreover, when we turned to Shariah Law, it's all about force, terror, and tyranny. So, the terrorists that are killing Muslims, Jews, Christians, and whoever refuses to comply, are Muslims who take Muhammad, the Koran, and Hadith seriously. Conversely, it's those Muslims who don't, who are the true "radicals."
Derengowski 1 year ago
@Derengowski You haven't killed any1 neither did 1.5 billion muslims.
Secondly did you know why those 600 were executed? I am betting my life you don't.
Unity4allhumans 1 year ago
@Unity4allhumans Instead of speaking in incoherent generalities, how about we compare Jesus with Muhammad instead. How many people did Jesus behead? Zero. Muhammad? 600-900 (maybe more). How many little girls did Jesus marry and bed down? Zero. Muhammad. We know that Aisha was 6 when he married her, and 9 when he had sex with her. Finally, did Jesus ever sanction the beating of one's wife? No. How about Muhammad? Surah 4:34 says it all. After all women are just "tilth" in Islam.
Derengowski 1 year ago
@Unity4allhumans Why of course; the Muslims have never killed anyone at anytime, anywhere. In fact, all those who committed the murders in the news reports were Jews and Christians.
As for your bet, I'll simply give the standard ignoramus Muslim response by blaming the Jews as well. They allegedly reneged on a agreement with Muhammad, felt bad about it, and then offered up their heads willingly.
So, when and where is your funeral going to be? You are going to make good on your bet, right?
Derengowski 1 year ago
@Derengowski So if you know they were executed as a result of treason and directly resulted in the murder of many people in medina. Why try to vilify Islam?
You are aware in 20th century western laws treason alone holds a death penalty.
Why do you hide the historical context as if the 600 were innocent people that had commit no crime and why do you hide the facts that Jews were the ones to call for their execution?
Unity4allhumans 1 year ago
@Unity4allhumans You don't get it. The whole story is a trumped up charge based in Antisemitism. No Jew worth his salt would do as the Muslim suggests in the whole convoluted story which attempts to justify Muhammad's bloodlust. And only an ignoramus would argue to the contrary.
So, once again, when and where is your funeral, since obviously I knew the answer you were looking for? Or are you saying that you're not going to honor your bet? If so, further communications here are dwindling.
Derengowski 1 year ago
@Derengowski no its based on historical evidence. Non muslim historians and theologians all attest to this but people have to take your word for it huh.
Your no christian telling lies is not a Jesus trait something out of the tulmad more like it. You can not claim anti semitism when Jews were free to worship peacefully under Islamic rule. Also you can not make such claims because arab muslims are semites them self and Islam confirms the old and first testiment.
Unity4allhumans 1 year ago
@Unity4allhumans No, it's based on wishful Muslim thinking. Again, no Jew worth his salt would do as the Muslim apologist wish they would, just so that the Muslims could exonerate their beloved "prophet" from his murderous acts.
Derengowski 1 year ago
@Derengowski Maybe its best people with your ignorance refrain from telling any stories.
And btw way when you try to refute history you better have evidence to back your BS up so next time bring a toilet with you.
Unity4allhumans 1 year ago
@Unity4allhumans Since your line of thinking has descended to toilet level, and all you're wanting to do is be personally insulting—a good sign that you have conceded defeat in the argument—plus, since you're obviously are not going to live up to losing the bet you made by extinguishing your own life, you may consider yourself dismissed from further discourse. No need in answering a fool according to his follow, but instead, I'll answer the fool as his folly deserves (Prov. 26:4-5). Buh-bye.
Derengowski 1 year ago
@Derengowski Btw i am not saying that muslims do not commit crimes but i find it dispicable to label individual actions and blame their religious background. Who have just condoned calling all priest child molesters.
Unity4allhumans 1 year ago
@Unity4allhumans Why is it despicable, when it is was their religious worldview that compelled them to act? Moreover, where in the Bible or any Christian creed is child molestation condoned or commanded?
Conversely, how many times is killing the infidel, apostate, or one's wife or children condoned or commanded in Islam? One Jihadist recently claimed that there were 400 commands, just in the Koran, demanding violent Jihad against unbelievers. And after reading it, I think he may be right.
Derengowski 1 year ago
@Derengowski Do you see how blind you are? You admit that th execution was directed towards those committing trechory and that God permitted Muslims to defend them self but you insist on removing the truth from the equasion to spread misinformation. I can assure Jesus would not want anything to do with a wrong doer like you. It people with ignorance thatt god Jesus crucified.
Unity4allhumans 1 year ago
@Unity4allhumans I admitted to no such thing. Go back and re-read my comments, rather than ignoring them to further whatever agenda you might have.
As for what you know about Jesus, God, and the crucifixion, I think it's safe to say that that knowledge is as equally skewed as your knowledge of Islam and Muhammad's senseless murders that he committed in the name of "submission."
Derengowski 1 year ago
@Derengowski
hahahahahahahahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
you don't have over 15 thousand acts of cheristian torrorism but in each you kill over 15 thousand my friend
very simple example Algeria is now called the country of the million and half million Martyrsand and its called by this very nice Nickname thanks to the christians but of course not in the name of terrorism but in the name of WAR
gtr2gts 1 year ago
@Derengowski US military have committed thousands of crimes against humanity consistant with terrorism. There has been over 20 million death as a result of Iraqi war. Cancer due depleated Uranium is 600 x higher. Bush was christian was he not when he had a vision before this invasion. God spoke to him.
Your not a good christian i could be a bad muslim and say christians are too busy fondling little boys to become terrorist.
I understand that they were pedophiles first.
Unity4allhumans 1 year ago
2:50 if you read whats before it you will understand that it meant the people in mecca
simsim2010sa 1 year ago
The quote taking obviously out of context from "The Life of Muhammad" by Ibn Ishaaq, shows us that the person who made this video clip is a retard. When a citizen of a state rises up and betrays his nation - he's considered a traitor. A traitor's is put to immediate death; The only difference is that in America, we jail them. In Turkey, they shoot traitors...but 1,400 years ago, they chopped their heads off...so..what's your point? You like traitors...are you a traitor...are you against America?
JubanTeyman24 1 year ago
Yeah, it was the Jews fault that Muhammad cut off their heads. Do you realize just how "retarded" that sounds? Nevertheless, thanks for confirming just how brutal Muhammad was as a warlord.
Derengowski 1 year ago
Islam is a religon of peace not pacifism. We will not let people continue to unjustly push us around. If you want peace then get out of our countries.
newtype64 2 years ago
What you call peace, not pacifism, the real world calls terrorism through fascist means. And just who is being treated unjustly when an idiot attempts to blow up a plane with a bomb in his underwear? Who is being treated unjustly when a Muslim husband beheads his wife for the stupidest of reasons? Finally, why cannot we have peace by simply getting rid of the Muslim thugs, like those in this video, regardless of what country they are in?
Derengowski 2 years ago
Maybe you should learn what the word facism means...because aparently you don't know the definition. Until America stops installing and propping up puppet regimes in our countries for cheap oil there will never be peace. America needs to stop trying to control the Muslim world and stay in its own boarders. America is not a victim.
newtype64 2 years ago
As for what you think will bring peace, especially in light of the questions you conveniently avoided, I think we can take your advice with a grain of salt. The fact is, the Muslim has not idea what peace means, if the Muslim chooses to follow the tenets of Islam. Islam from its inception has meant nothing more than death, torture, and tyranny to anyone who dares to oppose its oppressive ways. So, before you decide to hand out anymore advice on peace, do a little Islamic history check.
Derengowski 1 year ago
You are correct and Muslims will NEVER be peaceful untill you get out of our countires. Have you ever heard of the chant "no justice, no peace"? If Islam is so violent why are people all over the world converting to Islam like wildfire?
newtype64 1 year ago
Sorry, but, there will be peace one day, and it will have nothing to do with where you think Americans have transgressed Islamic territory, or what Islam has to say about reality.
As for your silly question about "conversion," there are really only two reasons anyone would be naive enough to become a Muslim: Ignorance and Force. In other words, people either know nothing about Islam, or they join because they're forced to. It has absolutely nothing to do with intelligent inquiry.
Derengowski 1 year ago
I converted to Islam. I was not forced and I have more intelligence than 99% of the secular American fools that call themselves "free thinking". PLEASE DON'T SPEAK FOR ME.
newtype64 1 year ago
You may be more intelligent than the so-called "Free Thinkers," but that doesn't mean your "conversion" (a misnomer) to Islam was based on intelligence. Besides, just because you were naive enough to join Islam does not mean that literally millions (billions?) over the course of history have not been forced to "convert" at the point of a sword. So, I'm not speaking for you. I'm simply telling you the truth, which you cannot deny. The only remaining question is, are you able to admit it?
Derengowski 1 year ago
Milions of people have been and are CURRENTLY being forced to become a secular democracies at the barrel of a gun. I don't think Islam has worked that way.
newtype64 1 year ago
Again, you're speaking out of ignorance having not done your historical homework on the formation and development of Islam down through the centuries. Not only was Muhammad a tyrannical thug, so were his caliphs. And when one takes a look at the Qur'an, the Hadiths, and the Sunnah, then it is no big surprise when one then reads comments like those by Muslim Brotherhood darling Sayyid Qutb who stated that bringing about Shariah law cannot be done only through preaching, but through force.
Derengowski 1 year ago
@newtype64 so many are converting out of it as well. People are trying to find something to believe. It is your relationship with Creator and with Immanuel.
AfroNigerianMan 1 year ago
If muslims were not stigmatized 24/7 and islamic education was broadcasted maybe the distinction between extremism and islam could be made...but since there is an overwhealming amount of IGNORANCE the stigma is just reinforced by the media.
speedy1088 2 years ago
The only ones stigmatizing the Muslims are themselves, as is evidenced in this series of video clips where real, genuine, Qur'an loving, Muhammad modeling Muslims acted out their religion according to its mandates and prescriptions. And to try and shift the attention away from the heinousness that Islam promotes, in an effort to make everyone else guilty, when all they're doing is telling the truth about Islam, is just more of what one should expect from those who do not know the truth.
Derengowski 2 years ago
have you read what I said? im muslim too but im not extremist. You can make anyone/anything look bad by taking clips reflecting negative behavior. There are so many muslims out there. One thing is for sure, you don't know anything about islam.
coredefinition 2 years ago
Way to go cd. Ignore the message and attack the messenger. The fact is, unless you're out and about oppressing and killing people in a manner like Muhammad did, and the Qur'an and Hadiths command you to, then you're not much of a Muslim. Phony baloney Muslim, maybe. But, that's a far cry from being a real one. Nevertheless all sensible people thank you for your pretentiousness. On the other hand, you might want to start thinking about another religion, because Islam definitely isn't you.
Derengowski 2 years ago
I was going to say "okay you may be right" but you ruined the video by adding the september 11 plane crush..
Everyone knows that it was a setup!!!
The USA killed their own people in order to find an excuse to enter to the Middle East...
prince677 2 years ago
Ahh, there's nothing like a conspiracy theorist who just doesn't get it. Why of course the US attacked itself. Just forget all the other 15,000 attacks subsequent to 9/11 which are Islam related, because none of them in any way, shape or form had anything to do with it, even though it was only 8 years earlier that the Muslims tried to bring down the towers with a truck bomb. Prince, you really need to wake up. You're almost there, but not quite. Muslims were responsible for 9/11 as well.
Derengowski 2 years ago
The followers of Muhammad are the victims of the most DIABOLICAL intellectual, moral and spiritual deception ever perpetrated on the human race.
Poor poor muzlims, - so near to Israel and so far from God...
muhammad was a child-raping murderer.
- According to their own historians, he raped an 8yo. girl when he was 54...
imagine that.
muzlims call him their prophet.
the pedophile prophet
zakirnaikmuzzyPIG 2 years ago
Good video Paul. Islam is a religion of peace only under their strict definition of "peace." It is certainly not a religion of peace to its own women. Mr. Rambo here is certainly being "politically correct" when he calls Umar the "alleged." Umar's but burned self is more than enough proof he is guilty. Maybe Rambo thinks another passenger forced their explosive lined underwear on him while he was asleep on the plane.
lgazzini 2 years ago
Thanks Igazzini! And you're right: rambo, and all the rest of the Muslim sympathizers can only be "pc" when it comes to something like this. Because only the slightest objective look at what the Muslim terrorists are doing ought to be fair warning that Islam is anything but a "religion of peace," and that more than " few" are carrying out their terroristic Islamic beliefs to the nth degree.
Derengowski 2 years ago
and next time u want to post a video- u either do it objectively or don't do it at all-
U fail to realize that 2006 estimates and counts- 655,000 iraqi civilian deaths due to US military war (2.5% of the iraqi population) not including the millions displaced, diseased, starving,- and NOT including afghan death tolls alone- its a massacre over 7 years- but hey its a war so its justified in your logic- and its not FAVORABLE as you put it- I don't even want to go back into history-1991, viatnam,
rambo03 2 years ago
It doesn't get much more objective than quoting from Islamic sources and showing the actual footage of Muslim terrorists flying planes into buildings. So, your threatening challenge is not only without warrant. Thanks, nonetheless, for exhibiting the very Jihadist attitude that is exposed in the video. May others note your hostility and be forewarned that what I produced was spot on. And your diversionary numbers are a logical fallacy known as tu quoque, and does nothing to help your cause.
Derengowski 2 years ago
it seems u still don't understand my point. U wonder why these acts are committed and u don't know that the answer is the US invasions. Who has been pushing for 'democracy for decades before 9/11 and forcing their system on ppl- thats the cause- u don't understand ur enemy very well- do u even know what Islam means ? before u even hate- and I know the teachings very well- the correct Islamic interpretations & purpose for each revelation that was revealed.
rambo03 2 years ago
No, rambo, you don't want to admit it, that Islam from the days of Muhammad has been a religion of conquest. And all your ad hominem argumentation only serves to prove an implicit concession of the argument. You want to attack me as your method of defense, instead of dealing with 14 centuries of Islamic tyranny and fascism, all of which is leading to what we see today in one terrorist attack after another against anyone (specifically Jews & Christians) getting in the way of the Islamic ideal.
Derengowski 2 years ago
1st am speaking from experience- 2nd Iam moderate muslim- I come from a 3rd world country. christians,jews,muslims live peacefully side by side with majority muslim countries-the ideology is extremism existing in all societies- but the video portrays & selects Islam and ignores the ROOT CAUSES for these individual actions- did u ever ask urself the reason behind these acts?its emotional reaction/revenge for muslim massacres done by CIA /US military 'terror' wars in Iraq,afghan,leb past&present.
rambo03 2 years ago
What your experiences are, and where you come from is irrelevant. And you're pointing fingers at others, while conveniently ignoring what Muhammad did and taught, along with what the Qur'an, Hadiths, the Caliphs, and subsequent Imams teach and have done, is nothing more than irresponsible intellectual dishonesty. What these Muslim terrorists are doing has nothing to do with the CIA or US military, and everything to do with the Jihadist mentality to rule the world through Islamic conquest.
Derengowski 2 years ago
first learn the arabic word 'Jihad' it has many meanings- and in Islam jihad means 'confrontation' to confront the aggrassors, opprossers of Muhammad's(as) time- and If u knew the Koran well as u claim- then u know that the verse commanding the muslims to 'fight and slay their enemy..' came down when the pagans of medina broke the truce with the muslims and attacked them, and again u have moderate muslims protesting for peace and against these acts and u still equate it with jihad-ignorant
rambo03 2 years ago
Again, more ad hominem attacks only proves what I've been saying all along is true. You can't argue against the message, so you set out to attack the messenger. Fine. So be it. Thank you for the personal attacks. It is synonymous with what was seen in the video, whereby the Muslim demonstrates his vehement hatred of the truth, engages in a malicious attack against the innocent, and then sits back and blames everyone except himself, with the irrational expectation of being reward by Allah.
Derengowski 2 years ago
lol just because ur using the latin word 'ad hominem' doesn't mean it excludes u from argueing my point. your use of it is a way to get out of the argument but its more of a logical fallacy on your part and you don't really understand that the message your presenting is not accurate or even vaguely truthful in true islam. Media stories seem to be your only outlet and sources and that is not credible or even remotely reasonable considering the true nature of Islamic lifestyles & muslims
rambo03 2 years ago
First of all, an ad hominem is a personal attack that is nothing more than a diversionary tactic to avoid the subject. Those who persist in ad hominem argumentation implicitly concede the argument. Second, you say that the media sources are not credible, yet that which has been presented here occurred in real, time-space history. Hence, they are credible. Third, there were several Islamic references given in the video. So, your final charge concerning Muslim authority is without warrant.
Derengowski 2 years ago
exactly, I am not personally attacking u but the accusations in the video.The stories u posted r mostly ALLEGATIONS- and the incident of the nigerian still has to go through trial- so any of this media coverage does not mean its true until PROVEN- Have you seen the REAL pics of the real Umar Mutallab ? or the real video of him in Amsterdam and compared it to the picture they ALLEGE is the bomber? No credible/alternate sources for your accusations, the video presents a narrow minded view point.
rambo03 2 years ago
Anytime you say something like, "If u knew the Koran well as u claim," then you're not attacking the video; you're attacking me. Moreover, your attempt to obfuscate the issue by making the Muslims terrorist in Detroit to be something than he is, namely guilty, borders on the ludicrous. Not only is he guilty, so is everyone of the other Muslim terrorist in the video. The did what they did in the name of Islam, and only a deceiver would try to divert attention away from that fact.
Derengowski 2 years ago
wow a shooting, a dad murders his daughter, this happens every day in America by all types of ppl from all diff religious backgrounds, domestic violence, rape, murders, shootouts, mexican beheadings and most affiliate themselves with chritianity, judiasm, atheist w/e that doesn't mean the act is taught in religion- it could be cultural/ tradition(honor killing) that mix with religion but its not religion itself- terror knows no religion- look at muslims murdered in iraq/afghan/ terror is terror
rambo03 2 years ago
Sorry rambo, but a hasty generalization for a rebuttal only means that you have no rebuttal. Granted, people do all the things you suggest, but not one of them compare favorable to the orchestrated ideology found in Islam, which not only seeks to reek havoc upon anyone non-Muslim, but to also encourage systematic barbarism as the means to instill justice and "peace." My suggestion is that before you engage in another logical fallacy as a response, that you first learn what the argument is.
Derengowski 2 years ago
This is BS and all lie. Nothing more than that.
123456789007 2 years ago
The videos don't lie, moreover, neither do the statements from Islamic sources. And the only ones spreading around "BS" to cover for the terrorism inherent in Islam are those unwilling to deal with the facts.
Derengowski 2 years ago