?? Calvinism is Christianity?? Uhh I gotta say, Christianity believes in salvation, that if you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved; Romans 10:9 But Calvinists believe you are already saved before you were even born. So please do explain.
I have been a Christian for many years, but am new to Calvinism. I had never even heard of Calvinism, or Reform Theology, or even Arminianism for that matter, up until about a year or so ago. Anyway, you are so right. After bouncing around here on YouTube for a few months, I have to come find many Christians here who believe their faith in Calvinism to be far more important than their faith in Christ.
We are not responsible for anything that Calvin or Arminius did in their lifetimes. When people claim one of these men, they are saying they agree with that man's stand on who selects the elect, God or the sinner? Calvin said God chooses those whom are the elect based on nothing good in the chosen man. Arminius said that God chooses the elect man based on if he see that man having faith in the future. One way is unconditional, the other is conditional based on man's decision or viewpoint.
You seem to imply that some Calvinists worship him. I get this impression when you say things like "John Calvin did not die on that cross", etc. You're right, and no Calvinist would disagree with you on that. Monty is argumentative; he's gone after people like RC Sproul and John Piper. If he's going to start a fight, why not start it with the clear heretics, not those who you might have a minor disagreement with. All I'm saying is try not to judge all Calvinists the same.
That's wonderful, Bianca, and I hope that's true. If it is, then why does he behave like he does on the internet? Why does he lay the gospel in obscurity and elevate Calvinism to the level of scripture? His witness is detestable and I'm ashamed to be in the Calvinist camp with him. He is rude, uses filthy language and insults. I don't think he understands true Calvinism, even if what you say is true. I hope you look into what he does on YT and other places online. It's embarrassing.
The Lord has blessed myself and husband to sit under the teaching elder known as Monty Collier(RedBeetle) and we've spent hours upon hours listening to this humble brother rightly divide God's Word freely to us.He has opened the Word of God and revealed Christ's Gospel to us with a reverence,patience and discipline that is very rare these days.He may not say "Jesus" like many in today's pulpits every 30 secs.BUT his whole teachings revolve around Christ's Word,Love and Sovereignty.
The god of Calvinism is no better than a devil. The god of Calvinism is glorified by the death and damnation of his creation.
"...individuals are born, who are doomed from the womb to certain death, and are to glorify him by their destruction." -John Calvin (Institutes of the Christian Religion)
openairpreacher is not a Christian, he is a Pelagian. A heretic of the worst kind. His theology perverts and destroys the gospel by replacing grace with human effort. (Isa.64:6)
I just blocked him about 20 minutes ago. I warned him to refrain from his childish witchcraft claims and to converse as an adult with scripture and theological arguments. He persisted in the former so I blocked him as I said I would.
calvinism and witchcraft are very much alike,,,, tricking people into believing they have no freewill...taking them under control and bringing them under bondage to sin,,,
You are being a mindless pest now. Unless you have some real biblical basis for your bias against Calvinism, knock it off with your childish witchcraft comments. If you want to have an adult conversation on theology fine, otherwise I will block you if you persist in your childish behavior.
Hi Karen openair preacher is sin free! hahaha boy is he decieved! That is a lie in it's self!!
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this statement proves your not born of the Spirit of God!,, people who are Born of the Spirit are free from sin by the blood of Jesus and want to walk Holy.,.. your statement is anti-Christ and claims no-one is free from sin,,,
your videos are just a game of the occult pretending to be against witchcraft,
That scripture is talking about false christians who are sinning the verse before it says people who walk in the light are cleansed of ALL sin,,, real Christians walk in the light and stay out of the darkness
sinners sin,,and go to hell,,,,
real Christians Love Jesus and stop sinning
calvinists do not love Jesus when they keep sinning
calvinism takes all the NT warnings and makes light of them ,, turning them into a loss of goodie points received in heaven..
this deceptive doctrine claims they keep sinning and its unavoidable,, part of Gods for-ordained plan ,,, so otherwise its God's will that they keep sinning!
calvinism and witchcraft are very much alike,,,, tricking people into believing they have no freewill...taking them under control and bringing them under bondage to sin,,,
Wow are you confused! You blocked me because i sent you a vid thatt needed to be blocked! Did you forget! Also Do you know some of the great revivals where started by Cavinists? Like KNOX,WHITEFIELD,SPURGEON. You need to repent!
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Saunders, I think it best to just ignore openairpreacher/michaelmarkley . We've been through this same nonsense with him before. Responding to him is just feeding his mania. I am ignoring him and not even acknowledging him or his comments. Not reading them either. He's a troll, let's just let him starve.
That said, I do believe that is what I meant when I said Calvinism is Christianity; that is that it is the best explanation of the truths of scripture.
NOT that I hold Calvin the man above Scripture.
Generally the only person who would mistake my meaning are those who do not hold to the docrines of grace and accuse me of following man-made doctrine.
I knew you'd agree. In the sense you mean it, I would also say that Calvinism is Christianity as well, but I would only say that to someone like you who understands its place as a theological viewpoint and Christ's place as King.
I am so happy to be your friend. It is a pleasure to have fellowship with someone who rightly divides the word of truth that I can speak to in a meaningful way without having to come from a defensive posture: which we are always being put in.
Reading the comments here I can only say that I have many friends who warned me about openairpreacher.
He hasn't a clue what true Calvinism is.
(Like so many people who have never bothered to find out what we truly believe.)
Calvinism does not teach antinomianism. You obviously do not have an understanding of what Calvinism is and teaches. Also, you seem to have some unbiblical ideas you mentioned about sin. David said, "in sin did my mother conceive me"- we are all born in sin and have inherited it from Adam. We have both a sin nature and commit sin. When we receive Christ we receive a new nature which continues to battle the old. (Romans 7) Sola scriptura, bro.
Scripture describes us as being sinful and born into sin- just where in scripture do you see babies being born without sin and straying away? This is the other end of the spectrum which disgusts me- Christians who are just biased against Calvinism because they don't understand it and then have their own made up, man-centered ideas about the faith which are unfounded in scripture. Shame on you- forget about Calvinism and read your Bible, sir. Your god is too small and not the God of the Bible.
"Behold, I was brought forth in iniquity, and in sin did my mother conceive me."- Psalm 51:5
"The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately sick; who can understand it?"- Jer. 17:9
"For the mind that is set on the flesh is hostile to God, for it does not submit to God's law; indeed, it cannot."- Rom. 8:7
Let me guess- you made a "decision" for Christ at some point in your life, right? If man could stray on his own he could stray back on his own and "accept" Christ- that is heresy.
"Jesus answered them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, whosoever committeth sin is the servant of sin."-John 8:34 "Do not let any part of your body become an instrument of evil to serve sin. Instead, give yourselves completely to God, for you were dead, but now you have new life. So use your whole body as an instrument to do what is right for the glory of God."-Romans 6:13
Are you judging me? I get a sense of power by saying once we're saved we're always saved? Calvinists can cast spells? Is that what you're saying? Because if it is I can only say one thing to you. Your nuts!
Sheesh! I've heard it all now! As for being sinless, let's see what God's Word has to say about people who think they are sinless -
Karen your really a strong woman with lots of power to control people,,,
the problem with you is its not Jesus that is your motivation...if it was you would believe the blood is the remission of sin.
''' how much sin is all sin?
1 Jn 1:7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.
the reason you want left alone is darkness is comfortable to you and the light makes you nervous
I have control over people? I might lose that power? What on earth are you babbling about now. I control NO ONE! As for the rest of your comments...there are no words! You are so pathetic you don't even deserve an insulting insult! You have judged me wrongly, Mr. Markley. And by this same measure you will be judged. I am ignoring you from now on. You're not worth the effort! Or the time!
Saunders let me see if I understand Mr. Markley correctly. Saunders you preach the word of God and teach His Word and make videos warning the lost about sin and hell. Right? Right! So because you teach them from SCRIPTURE that makes you a wiccan?! Oh, my! LOL!!! Now all of us know you're no wiccan. You've made a lot of videos about why wicca and witchcraft is a sin. Mr. Markley knows this as well. THAT is why he said that to you. To get a response. We see him clearly now. He's a troll!
Saunders, I think it best to just ignore openairpreacher/michaelmarkley. We've been through this same nonsense with him before. Responding to him is just feeding his mania. I am ignoring him and not even acknowledging him or his comments. Not reading them either. He's a troll, let's just let him starve.
Thank you, Saunders! Yes, he is deceived but I'm beginning to believe he is letting himself be deceived on purpose. He wants to antagonize, that's why his comments never make any sense! LOL!!! Just a babbler muttering senseless babbling! I'm done with him.
I never said Calvin was sinless nor do I focus on the man. Calvin's being a sinner does not invalidate the great work that God did through him. It makes him a man God used mightily.
Sin IS unavoidable. Have you read Romans 7 lately or do you ignore it like much of the rest of scripture? Who do you think you are? You spit in Christ's face when you ascribe such power to people. You do not understand the gospel and what Christ really did to say such things.
Paul teaches people the difference between walking in the spirit or sinning in the flesh and also teaches the difference between civil law and grace,,, read roms chp 6,7,and 8...
I spit in Jesus face" when I tell people
to love Jesus and stop sinning?
ok your religion says people have no power over sinning. so sinning in unavoidable...
Matthew 22:29 (KJV) Jesus answered and said unto them, Ye do err, not knowing the scriptures, nor the power of God.
You're so full of yourself that there is no room in your heart for Jesus or anybody but yourself. My Jesus is the real Jesus. Yours is a figment of your own deluded imagination. You don't have a clue as to who the REAL Jesus Christ is. You've made Him out to be something He's not and if you continue to think you're perfect and have no sin, one day you are going to receive a very big shock.
Sit down and actually read a Bible, a REAL Bible and not the one you tore all the pages out of except for the verses you can so expertly twist! Stop worrying about the state of my soul and that of my brothers and sisters in Christ who are Reformed, and start worrying about the state yours is in.
You and I have been down this road more times than I count. Leave me alone. I know how you believe and I am NOT interested in hearing anymore of your heresy. Understand? I don't care to hear what you have to say, you repeat the same thing over and over again.
I do love Jesus and your insistence that I don't reveals that you don't listen nor do you really care about the state of my soul. I don't have to prove anything to you. You are a heretic. Go away and take your false doctrine with you because I can't hear you anymore.
Well, I just had my laugh for the day! LOL!!! CONVICTED? I am not striking out. I am SICK of listening to you. Is that so hard for you to understand? Go away! You don't care about my soul or anybody else's. You're a SICK man who gets his kicks out of irritating the living daylights out of others! Don't you realize what a joke you're making your self out to be?
I really don't want to be harsh with you but you don't leave me any other choice. I will NOT go through this again with you. I will not listen to what you have to say to me because it is heresy! I will not subject my self to your senseless tirades that don't make any sense and I will not listen to you mock my Savior and blaspheme Him and falsely accuse me anymore. DO YOU UNDERSTAND THIS?
I am not interested in anything you have to say. You are wasting your breath and my time. Sigh...I will pray for you. Jesus listens to me even though you don't.
Grace and peace to you Mr. Markley. I wish you no ill will but I will not let you harass me anymore.
Hm.. thanks for doing this Video as i am still weighing out all of this theological perspectives which are non-essentials and so we should not be divided as Christians! We need unity- You have presented this in a measured and reasonable way through the Scriptures as well- Thanks for that- though i have problems with the Calvinism- or parts of it for sure- but there is no reason to be divisive and dishonouring- this is actually not allowed- Anyway- blessings brother!
3)Why do Calvinist use this as a name sake of even being more than Christian. It's a (ist) or (ism). Did Calvin bring you to salvation or the Lord Jesus Christ. Can you say that you know you are saved and sure you going to heaven if you died today.
Why this badge of a mere man. Why not be a bible beleiving Christian? I read Calvin. But he is not my teacher. Find his writing very insigtful at times. But Calvin had people to death and Jews are still offended by Calvin and Luther.
But we must still act like Christians. The problem everyone has with Calvinist. And for get Atheitist. Thay are not even Christians. Who cares what they think. But many will strogly disagree with a man made doctrine of iresistible Grace and Limited Atonement.
Calvisn puts back the wall o partition between God and Men. I taking about Christians. Then Calvinism Creates a God to hard to please who "sovereignly" choses who to save and who to send to hell. None o this biblical.
1)Not a Arminian. Not Atheist. I'm hearing this constantly from Calvinist when people confront them,. II don't want to offend u or start argument in any way. But this lastest rise in Hyper Calvinism is very dangerous. When ever there is Choas in the Church of Christ this Calvinism has rasied it's ugly head since 18th Century.
I see Calvinist exalt a very flawed man above the Word or God. Saying Calavinsm is the Word of God. I find this almost blasphemy.
Excellent video. I get a lot of flack for my name but really the only reason I made it was so that people would know where I was coming from. Really so I wouldn't have to deal with what you're dealing with in this video, lol.
People that see my name and don't want to watch the video, I don't want them to watch. They are already set in their ways and could just want to argue. I speak to the humble, the ones still pliable.
I find your video of such contradiction. You start off saying it needs to be about Jesus. But it somehow still turns out to be all about Calvin. If John Calvinist saw this today he would ask that the heretics be burned at the stake! You sadly have some Utopian view of this evil man. He was just no pastor, but had major influence over the magistrate of Geneva! Ask the Anabaptist how they felt about your beloved Calvin.
Yes I watched the entire video. You spent more time talking about Calvin and how great a man he was than Christ. I get your point in trying to say its not about John Calvin, but you turn right around and start talking about John Calvin - you quoted how many books about him? How much did you really talk about Jesus in this clip?
Relax. Watch the follow-up video and some of my other videos- I don't think I'm missing Christ. It's amazing how people can judge me after watching one video.
Then stop sinning and repent! If you continue in sin sir then you have not met the Savior. You have sadly beleived more in the doctrine of Calvin than your own bible. Stop Sinning. You can not serve two masters nor can you be partially obedient.
I am just glad that the Lord led me to this vid coz its nice to hear a Calvinist who does not exalt 'Calvinism' above the Gospel and, for me, this has been one of the most confusing issues to a baby in Christ - I don't hold to Arminian, nor Calvinism but, I LOVE some of the teachings of both!
When I see the body bickering over these things, it really is so discouraging.
The Holy Spirit is the Spirit of TRUTH-don't you think He will teach us all the SAME thing, not different?!?
I'm glad you are committed to the gospel and that you were blessed by my message. I am very committed to the gospel as well, but we must be careful to understand the gospel and be able to explain it; know what we believe and what the Bible teaches about salvation. If we can do that biblically I am convinced we'll sound like Calvinists wether we want to or not! God bless you!
Praise God for leading me to this video! I have been really discouraged about the controversy that Calvinism vs Arminianism produces...heartbreaking really.
People need to understand that it is possible not to believe either (although hold to some of the teachings of both)...I simply believe the Gospel of Jesus Christ!
I know people who call Calvinism a cult but, I do not agree with that but, I do believe that many Calvinists I have spoken to have really hurt other bros/sisters in Christ..:o(
"You know, LogicalCalvinist, that Calvinism can be a source of controversy which can deflect attention from Christ when talking with an unbeliever or a Christian who disagrees with Calvinism."
Really Brett? So what are you suggesting? That we tell the unbeliever that God is not sovereign in salvation, but that man is? That man is not dead in his sins, and in need of God granting him the gift of faith? That sinful man determines his own destiny?
Or should we tell him that God gives His grace to whom He wishes? That salvation is Sola Gratia and Sola Fide? Or as you suggest, should we preach the gospel in such a way as to lead men to understand that they are sovereign over their lives and destiny? And only AFTER they believe, we teach them the "Doctrines of Grace"? Do you believe you will, "catch more flies with honey, rather than with vinegar"? If so, you're not a Calvinist.
About 3 years ago my father died. At the funeral my pastor preached a sermon that was delivered to a mixed audience of believers and unbelievers, in which he proclaimed the gospel.. The first point of that sermon was to establish Gods absolute sovereignty over all things. There was no fear in proclaiming the truth to unbelievers concerning their fallen, sinful state, and the need of a wholly gracious salvation given from God as a gift to whom He wishes.
Not to mention that in my pastors closing prayer, rather than appealing to peoples decision about his message, he asked God to show the unbelievers their plight before His holy standard and law. He asked God to grant faith and repentance to any there who did not believe the gospel. Only Calvinism does this. Contemporary evangelicalism eclipses any grace they speak of in their sermons, when they tell people to make a decision for Jesus.
If you think I'm preaching a watered down gospel and that I'm ashamed to be a Calvinist, then you haven't paid any attention to any of my videos, nor have you understood anything I've told you in these comments. You are picking a fight here that is unnecessary and quite frankly a waste of time. Watch my follow up video to this one- Calvinism and Christianity.
..."If you are sharing the gospel according to what the scriptures teach you have no choice but to teach it the way Calvinism teaches it. There is no need to say, "I am a Calvinist"."
This is not the issue here. The debate is not about preaching the gospel alone. It is about a much broader theological question. Do the doctrines taught by Calvinism equal the truth contained in the Bible? Besides, there is a definite difference in how Calvinism proclaims the gospel.
"Amazing that it takes an atheist to understand the point plain and simple. Steve, you understood my point perfectly."
Brett, why do you side with an apostate, atheist hater of Christ and His gospel, over a Christian brother? Can you defend this treacherous behavior? Are you siding with enemies of the gospel? Steve's hostile, aggressive, anti-Christian stance and arguments are very clear. Whose side are you on?
"To Monty, doctrine is the only thing that matters. He is more concerned about calling others heretics than being like christ.
The golden rule has no importance to him; he only cares about the TULIP. To him, it's perfectly fine to continue to sin, as demonstrated by his habitual lying."
Tell me Steve. What does it mean to be "like Christ"? Could it mean loving doctrine so much that you condemn to Hell those who confound the gospel with tradition, as the Pharisees did?
"When I tell people I'm a Calvinist it opens the door to share the true Gospel, if I just say I'm a Christian they more than likely will label me with the 90 percent of Americans that believe"...
Yes, excellent point. We should first identify ourselves to nonbelievers as Christians. But that alone will lead to wrong associations. We must then explain what we believe. We will explain that we believe what Calvinism teaches, because this is what the Bible teaches.
Really? Where is the name "Calvin" in the scriptures? Did Paul preach Calvinism or did he preach Christ? Wasn't Paul clear about what his theological position was without the benefits of Calvinism? You are blind to what you are arguing here and you are missing the point.
"When you start using words like "elect" and "predestined" it will already be obvious what your theological position is."
No, it is not obvious what your position is. It may be *more likely* you're a Calvinist if you frequently use such theological words. But it is not obvious. Arminians can and do use such words, because they are biblical. But they define them according to their presupposition of human autonomy. You must always ask a person to define their terms.
Since you're so fond of Spurgeon, read this quote from his pen where he apparently disagrees with your sentiment regarding Calvin-ISM.
..."there is no such thing as preaching Christ and Him crucified, unless we preach what nowadays is called Calvinism. It is a nickname to call it Calvinism; Calvinism is the gospel, and nothing else."
I understand where LogicalCalvinist is coming from. Calvinism is Christianity. When I tell people I am a Christian I feel I have to tell them I'm a Calvinist to separate myself from false doctrines. It is sad the truth has to be labeled Calvinism but I am not ashamed to tell anyone I'm a Calvinist.
Well, if people do not understand the doctrines of grace (Calvinism) then they do not understand God and His gift of salvation. When I tell people I'm a Calvinist it opens the door to share the true Gospel, if I just say I'm a Christian they more than likely will label me with the 90 percent of Americans that believe there self righteous, works based idolatry doctrines that are taught every Sunday.
"To think otherwise would suggest that anyone who thinks differently is not a true believer and theology becomes a prequalifier for heaven- see where I'm going?"
I see where you are going but I think you are wrong for going there. If you start your Christianity off thinking different is one thing, but if someone is claiming growth in Christ and are seekers of Truth, by discrediting Calvinism can only mean one thing. They are not seekers of Truth. They are seeker of what they want God to be.
Yes, I agree, but that is a few steps past what we're talking about- I think the point is when the conversation begins, what starts it- Calvinism or the gospel? If you are sharing the gospel according to what the scriptures teach you have no choice but to teach it the way Calvinism teaches it. There is no need to say, "I am a Calvinist". When you start using words like "elect" and "predestined" it will already be obvious what your theological position is.
"if people do not understand the doctrines of grace (Calvinism) then they do not understand God and His gift of salvation."- Yes, you're right, but who are you talking to? Christians or unbelievers? Unbelievers don't understand anyway- they don't need Calvinism, they need to repent and believe the gospel- then they need to learn Calvinism. We should be sharing the gospel plain and simple with unbelievers, not bombarding them with theology they can learn after conversion.
"Yes, you're right, but who are you talking to? Christians or unbelievers?"
Why not both? Is Calvinism not Truth? Sounds to me you wouldn't want to offend a non-believer, this is the problem if an non-believer rejects Calvinism then they are rejecting the God of the Bible. Calvinism is not just theology. You said "they need to repent and believe the gospel-then they need to learn Calvinism. So you want a non-believers to believe in a God they might reject later?
I totally agree, in that Calvinism describes what the Bible teaches about the gospel. When Spurgeon says, "Calvinism is the gospel" he means that Calvinism describes the biblical gospel- it's a metaphor. To think otherwise would suggest that anyone who thinks differently is not a true believer and theology becomes a prequalifier for heaven- see where I'm going?
"To think otherwise would suggest that anyone who thinks differently is not a true believer and theology becomes a prequalifier for heaven"
Paul teaches exactly this: if you do not believe Justification By Faith Alone, then you are not a Christian (Galatians 1:8). Paul disagrees with bberchin: doctrine matters!
bberchin writes:
"see where I going?"
Yes, to hell.
I suggest you repent and believe the Gospel: Justification By Faith Alone.
To say "Calvinism is NOT Christianity, Christianity is Christianity", sound very pious, but it isn't. It's tautological and meaningless. For you must ALWAYS define Christianity. Which putting forth the propositions believed by Calvinism, in fact, DOES. You cannot speak about Christianity without defining a myriad of doctrines. You will either define them according to Calvinistic interpretations, or you will use another theological system. Which is it Brett?
You're right- I think it was clear in the video that I am a Calvinist. It has been clear through all of my videos that I am a Calvinist and not because I've said that I am, but because of the way I speak about scripture and the gospel. That's really my point- you can tell what kind of a theologian I am without me having to stamp a Calvinist label on my forehead. What's more- Monty Collier is ONLY about Calvinism to the exclusion of everything else which is just as bad as being Arminian.
It's the same phenomenon you see at seminaries. Many go to study theology and they know everything about theology and will even defend views like Calvinism with great clarity and enthusiasm, but live like a pagan and end up destroying their lives. I am right with you, though, we need to define our Christianity and I am certainly not quiet about it. You should have seen me at the Christian school I taught at in a lair of broad evangelicals who mostly hated Calvinism;
they got annoyed with me on many occasions because I wouldn't stand for their watered down Christianity and fundamentalism. They knew without a doubt I was a Calvinist, but I continually defended Christ and the gospel according to Calvinist teaching, but not Calvinism. I expected this reaction from a few of my fellow Calvinists out there and you were the first. I hope that clears things up and you understand where I'm coming from. God bless.
..."that I am a Calvinist...because of the way I speak about scripture and the gospel. That's really my point- you can tell what kind of a theologian I am without me having to stamp a Calvinist label on my forehead."
You're changing the subject here from, Calvinism = Christianity, to: "I'm a Calvinist, but don't like being called one". This is a different issue entirely. You're a closet Calvinist who shuns the label when it brings heat from evangelicals.
No, I am not ashamed one bit of being labeled a Calvinist. I think that is clear from the video and all of my other videos. I just simply do not wish my being a Calvinist to be the focus; in other words, I don't want my Calvinism to overshadow Christ and the gospel. You know, LogicalCalvinist, that Calvinism can be a source of controversy which can deflect attention from Christ when talking with an unbeliever or a Christian who disagrees with Calvinism.
"Monty Collier is ONLY about Calvinism to the exclusion of everything else which is just as bad as being Arminian."
What in the world does this mean? It implies that something is wrong with Calvinist theology. What does it mean to be "only about Calvinism"? Is Calvinism deficient as a theological system of interpretation? Do you borrow, "cafeteria style", from all manner of traditions? Your statement implies that one should be embarrassed to be a strong Calvinist.
"Monty Collier is ONLY about Calvinism to the exclusion of everything else..." - Brett
"What in the world does this mean?" - LogicalCalvinist
To Monty, doctrine is the only thing that matters. He is more concerned about calling others heretics than being like christ.
The golden rule has no importance to him; he only cares about the TULIP. To him, it's perfectly fine to continue to sin, as demonstrated by his habitual lying.
"To Monty, doctrine is the only thing that matters. He is more concerned about calling others heretics than being like christ."- Amazing that it takes an atheist to understand the point plain and simple. Steve, you understood my point perfectly. :)
You know what I meant and I was clear in the video. Why are you pressing me on this? Do you think there is a problem with my theology? Do you think Calvin should come before Christ? I AM a strong Calvinist, as you put it, and that's why I see Christ as more important than Calvin- don't you?
Just so we are clear. Your use of 1 Corinthians is a non sequitur. For to say that Calvinism is Christianity is not to promote Calvin for the sake of promoting Calvin. It is to say that what Calvin taught is faithful to scripture. Calvinism believes in Sola Scriptura. Which means, contrary to most who proclaim it: The Bible Alone is the Word of God. Only theology that is faithful to the Bible is Christian. This is why Calvinism IS Christianity.
Many cults and other world religions "love" Jesus. The question isn't, do you talk a lot about Jesus? But who is your Jesus? What did He do in His life and death here on earth? What did Jesus accomplish?
You seem very concerned that you didn't seem to find "Jesus" in Monty's videos. Well, I believe you should look again. Christ is central in Calvinism, and Monty is no exception. Luther said he saw Christ "on every page of holy scripture". Calvinism consistently upholds this idea, for we do not fall into the error of Dispensationalism that replaces Christ with Israel, and usurps Christ's place as the sum and substance of all prophecy.
Theology is the art of making distinctions. To say that Calvinism is Christianity is not to exalt Calvin, but to make clear exactly what I believe about a whole host of doctrines. Doctrines that are essential, and not tangential to one's orthodoxy. Reformed theology is eons apart from contemporary evangelicalism. If you shun the Calvinism label, then you will be lost among the mass of evangelical, Roman Catholic, and cultic "Christians".
To say that Calvinism is Christianity is not to exalt Calvin himself, as Calvin would despise, but is to take a specific theological stance among all manner of anti and sub Christian theology. If you tell me you are a Christian, that really tells me very little. It may mean you accept the death, burial, and bodily resurrection of Christ. Good, but so far you could just be a Roman Catholic.
Do you acknowledge the absolute necessity of using confessions and creeds? Do you realize that saying that "Calvinism is Christianity" is the same thing. Yes, we are first and foremost Christians. But that label alone, in this day and age, is of little value. For so many sects, including Rome, the cults, and all manner of unbiblical "evangelicals" also claim to be Christian.
Although I think you show Calvin as a better man than he really was, the video was good nonetheless.
And, even though I disagree with you on most issues, I do respect you. I believe that individuals like Collier give you calvinists a really bad name. They seem to be more interested in their doctrine than emulating like christ.
Anyway, no argument from me today, so enjoy it, because tomorrow we will probably fight again :-)
I don't fight, Steve- I get frustrated with you, but that is about as dramatic as it gets. I appreciate your compliments, though, and look forward to your input.
Not to get into another argument, Brett, but Calvin did not go beyond the cross in understanding the gospel. Calvinists equate acceptance of Christ's death on the cross with the full requirement for salvation and disregard His resurrection as the final requirement in salvation. This is a very serious error in John Calvin's theology and shows his failure to understand the primary doctrine of the Bible, the gospel, which is clearly stated in the Romans 5:10.
"...equate acceptance of Christ's death on the cross with the full requirement for salvation and disregard His resurrection as the final requirement in salvation."- Where do you get this idea? In Calvin's writings? I've never heard that. The resurrection is the hinge-pin upon which our faith hangs- Paul said that and Calvin agreed with it. Be careful when studying what Calvin "believed". He is a heavily scrutinized character and there is a lot of disinformation about him and his teachings.
The Five Points of Calvinism do not contain a reference to the resurrection of Christ at all. If the resurrection was so important to Calvin, why did he fail to include it in TULIP? I'm not criticizing you or any other Calvinist, just the doctrine. Calvin did not talk good about Lutherans either.
He said "I am carefully on the watch that Lutheranism gain no ground, nor be introduced into France. The best means, believe me, for checking the evil would be that confession written by me . . ."
Alex, the 5 points were not written by Calvin. They were extrapolated from his writings and assembled after he was long gone. You are right- they don't speak to the resurrection, but the 5 points don't begin to scratch the surface of what Calvin wrote and preached. The only thing I can say with surety is that Calvinism is incomplete in that it is not the scriptures and it is fallible and uninspired by the Spirit.
Also, you may want to look further into his views on Lutheranism and what the catalyst was for that comment, because Luther himself would be mortified to see what his namesake is today and both he and Calvin were biblical men and pioneers of the Reformed faith. They also were very different men and Luther, though convicted in biblical truth, still had many theological issues left over from his background which were problems biblically.
Finally, I don't sense any kind of an argument here. I know these issues can be difficult, but I also know from our contact that you seem to genuinely love the Lord. We have no problems here- even if you never become a 5-pointer! ;)
lol. Very true. I appreciate all you've done on Youtube and I am so sad to see how many people basically slap God in the face by rejecting his invitation to believe. God Bless and I look forward to your next video.
Yeah. Well, unfortunately, no one is perfect. But thank God for the two of them or else we'd probably all be still ensnared into the many many problems of Catholic ideology. :)
They were formulated by men at the Synod of Dort in 1618 to refute the 5 points of Arminianism. Read "The Five Points of Calvinism" by Daivd Steele and Curtis Thomas. It's a wonderful little book that puts it all right out there in plain english and explains everything. It was one of the first Calvinistic books I read.
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?? Calvinism is Christianity?? Uhh I gotta say, Christianity believes in salvation, that if you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved; Romans 10:9 But Calvinists believe you are already saved before you were even born. So please do explain.
NickBrownlow 1 year ago
Romans 5:1
Therefore, since we have been justified through faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ,
MODERATECALVINISM 1 year ago
I have been a Christian for many years, but am new to Calvinism. I had never even heard of Calvinism, or Reform Theology, or even Arminianism for that matter, up until about a year or so ago. Anyway, you are so right. After bouncing around here on YouTube for a few months, I have to come find many Christians here who believe their faith in Calvinism to be far more important than their faith in Christ.
rofyle 1 year ago
We are not responsible for anything that Calvin or Arminius did in their lifetimes. When people claim one of these men, they are saying they agree with that man's stand on who selects the elect, God or the sinner? Calvin said God chooses those whom are the elect based on nothing good in the chosen man. Arminius said that God chooses the elect man based on if he see that man having faith in the future. One way is unconditional, the other is conditional based on man's decision or viewpoint.
NewDirection4us 2 years ago
You seem to imply that some Calvinists worship him. I get this impression when you say things like "John Calvin did not die on that cross", etc. You're right, and no Calvinist would disagree with you on that. Monty is argumentative; he's gone after people like RC Sproul and John Piper. If he's going to start a fight, why not start it with the clear heretics, not those who you might have a minor disagreement with. All I'm saying is try not to judge all Calvinists the same.
NewDirection4us 2 years ago
Cont- We have yet to find this dear brother glorify anyone but Christ in all he teaches,nor have I yet seen anyone disprove him with Scripture.
I am ever so thankful to the Lord and humbled to know Monty Collier.
My peace and respect to you,
In Christ,
Bianca
aProdigalChild 2 years ago
That's wonderful, Bianca, and I hope that's true. If it is, then why does he behave like he does on the internet? Why does he lay the gospel in obscurity and elevate Calvinism to the level of scripture? His witness is detestable and I'm ashamed to be in the Calvinist camp with him. He is rude, uses filthy language and insults. I don't think he understands true Calvinism, even if what you say is true. I hope you look into what he does on YT and other places online. It's embarrassing.
bberchin 2 years ago
Dearest Sir.
The Lord has blessed myself and husband to sit under the teaching elder known as Monty Collier(RedBeetle) and we've spent hours upon hours listening to this humble brother rightly divide God's Word freely to us.He has opened the Word of God and revealed Christ's Gospel to us with a reverence,patience and discipline that is very rare these days.He may not say "Jesus" like many in today's pulpits every 30 secs.BUT his whole teachings revolve around Christ's Word,Love and Sovereignty.
aProdigalChild 2 years ago
The god of Calvinism is no better than a devil. The god of Calvinism is glorified by the death and damnation of his creation.
"...individuals are born, who are doomed from the womb to certain death, and are to glorify him by their destruction." -John Calvin (Institutes of the Christian Religion)
(Book 3, Chapter 23, Paragraph 6)
Pro 8:36 ..all they that hate me love death.
Psa 97:10 Ye that love the LORD, hate evil..
connect the dots!!
LOLFunny687 2 years ago
To All,
openairpreacher is not a Christian, he is a Pelagian. A heretic of the worst kind. His theology perverts and destroys the gospel by replacing grace with human effort. (Isa.64:6)
--TLC
TheLogicalCalvinist 2 years ago
I just blocked him about 20 minutes ago. I warned him to refrain from his childish witchcraft claims and to converse as an adult with scripture and theological arguments. He persisted in the former so I blocked him as I said I would.
bberchin 2 years ago
Hallelujah!
silmalila 2 years ago
calvinism and witchcraft are very much alike,,,, tricking people into believing they have no freewill...taking them under control and bringing them under bondage to sin,,,
stop sinning and love Jesus
openairpreacher 2 years ago
You have already been shown to be a liar and a slanderer. Of course I think you are also psychotic.
So not only am I not going to answer any of your ridiculous posts, I am going to pretend that you don't even exist.
Begone, or someone may drop a house on you, too.
silmalila 2 years ago 2
silmalila
is that a threat or curse? are you into wiccan
openairpreacher 2 years ago
"Begone, or someone may drop a house on you, too."
ROFLOL!!! I'll have to remember that one. LOL!!!
You're doing the right thing, sister. Ignore him. :) God bless!!!
KarensFaith 2 years ago
You are being a mindless pest now. Unless you have some real biblical basis for your bias against Calvinism, knock it off with your childish witchcraft comments. If you want to have an adult conversation on theology fine, otherwise I will block you if you persist in your childish behavior.
bberchin 2 years ago
bberchin
your calvinism is a deception,, the very basis of witchcraft,,
the Idea that people have NO freewill and sin is unavoidable is forcing bondage and control on deceived people..
there is nothing Childish about truth and logic,
the only thing childish here is the children of the devil, that espouse Calvinism
they act like the devil
a. the devil rebelled against God
b; Calvinism teaches men always sin
westminster catechism,forced rebellion against God
witchcraft is the sin of rebellion.
openairpreacher 2 years ago
real Christians
Love Jesus and forsake sinning
this statement
makes devils madder than the hell they are heading for!
openairpreacher 2 years ago
SAUNDERSacts2618
I will quote your post against me;
SAUNDERSacts2618
Hi Karen openair preacher is sin free! hahaha boy is he decieved! That is a lie in it's self!!
end quote..
this statement proves your not born of the Spirit of God!,, people who are Born of the Spirit are free from sin by the blood of Jesus and want to walk Holy.,.. your statement is anti-Christ and claims no-one is free from sin,,,
your videos are just a game of the occult pretending to be against witchcraft,
openairpreacher 2 years ago
"If we say we have no sin we lie and the truth is not in us."
Either you are a sinner or a liar, openairpreacher.
Actually, you are both by your own admission.
silmalila 2 years ago 2
That scripture is talking about false christians who are sinning the verse before it says people who walk in the light are cleansed of ALL sin,,, real Christians walk in the light and stay out of the darkness
sinners sin,,and go to hell,,,,
real Christians Love Jesus and stop sinning
calvinists do not love Jesus when they keep sinning
openairpreacher 2 years ago
calvinism takes all the NT warnings and makes light of them ,, turning them into a loss of goodie points received in heaven..
this deceptive doctrine claims they keep sinning and its unavoidable,, part of Gods for-ordained plan ,,, so otherwise its God's will that they keep sinning!
its anti-christ
openairpreacher 2 years ago
I was choosen by God!
SAUNDERSacts2618 2 years ago
Amen, my brother! God bless you!
KarensFaith 2 years ago
Yes, you were. You are not special and neither am I. That's part of the beauty of the gospel!
bberchin 2 years ago
SAUNDERSacts2618
so do real Christians for sake sinning?
and have a freewill to do it?
openairpreacher 2 years ago
There is no free will. We resist sin and when we fail we repent, which is every day. Are you not a sinner any longer?
bberchin 2 years ago
so who's will is it?
you sin and have no will,,,, so who's will controls your life?
must be Gods secret will that has you sinning..unless your a child of the devil
openairpreacher 2 years ago
SAUNDERSacts2618
calvinism and witchcraft are very much alike,,,, tricking people into believing they have no freewill...taking them under control and bringing them under bondage to sin,,,
openairpreacher 2 years ago
Wow are you confused! You blocked me because i sent you a vid thatt needed to be blocked! Did you forget! Also Do you know some of the great revivals where started by Cavinists? Like KNOX,WHITEFIELD,SPURGEON. You need to repent!
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Saunders, I think it best to just ignore openairpreacher/michaelmarkley . We've been through this same nonsense with him before. Responding to him is just feeding his mania. I am ignoring him and not even acknowledging him or his comments. Not reading them either. He's a troll, let's just let him starve.
KarensFaith 2 years ago
Point taken.
That said, I do believe that is what I meant when I said Calvinism is Christianity; that is that it is the best explanation of the truths of scripture.
NOT that I hold Calvin the man above Scripture.
Generally the only person who would mistake my meaning are those who do not hold to the docrines of grace and accuse me of following man-made doctrine.
silmalila 2 years ago
I knew you'd agree. In the sense you mean it, I would also say that Calvinism is Christianity as well, but I would only say that to someone like you who understands its place as a theological viewpoint and Christ's place as King.
bberchin 2 years ago
I am so happy to be your friend. It is a pleasure to have fellowship with someone who rightly divides the word of truth that I can speak to in a meaningful way without having to come from a defensive posture: which we are always being put in.
Reading the comments here I can only say that I have many friends who warned me about openairpreacher.
He hasn't a clue what true Calvinism is.
(Like so many people who have never bothered to find out what we truly believe.)
silmalila 2 years ago
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Calvinism is a product of Augustine theology and dangerous, its eliminates
personal responsibility for one's actions,, its very much the same control and being
attempted by the socialist agenda NWO...
truth is all men are made in Gods image and then become tempted and stray away into sinning..
sin is a action that is judged,, not something mystical or unknowable..sin is not transmitted or jumps from
person to person,sin is rebelling against God and doing a action that is judged,,
Jesus is Lord
openairpreacher 2 years ago
Calvinism does not teach antinomianism. You obviously do not have an understanding of what Calvinism is and teaches. Also, you seem to have some unbiblical ideas you mentioned about sin. David said, "in sin did my mother conceive me"- we are all born in sin and have inherited it from Adam. We have both a sin nature and commit sin. When we receive Christ we receive a new nature which continues to battle the old. (Romans 7) Sola scriptura, bro.
bberchin 2 years ago
bberchin
1 babies are born in Gods image and with Gods nature then stray away..
calvinism makes people sin! in being and a slave to sinning... just what the devil wants
openairpreacher 2 years ago
Scripture describes us as being sinful and born into sin- just where in scripture do you see babies being born without sin and straying away? This is the other end of the spectrum which disgusts me- Christians who are just biased against Calvinism because they don't understand it and then have their own made up, man-centered ideas about the faith which are unfounded in scripture. Shame on you- forget about Calvinism and read your Bible, sir. Your god is too small and not the God of the Bible.
bberchin 2 years ago
bberchin
scipture says all men are born in Gods image and nature,, then stray away and can be born again and return to the Image of God we were born in...
false churches say people "are sin' and never can stop sinning
openairpreacher 2 years ago
"Behold, I was brought forth in iniquity, and in sin did my mother conceive me."- Psalm 51:5
"The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately sick; who can understand it?"- Jer. 17:9
"For the mind that is set on the flesh is hostile to God, for it does not submit to God's law; indeed, it cannot."- Rom. 8:7
Let me guess- you made a "decision" for Christ at some point in your life, right? If man could stray on his own he could stray back on his own and "accept" Christ- that is heresy.
bberchin 2 years ago
"Behold, I was brought forth in iniquity, and in sin did my mother conceive me."- Psalm 51:5
the woman was sinning,, the baby is made in Gods image...
Manis the image and glory of God." I Corinthians 11:7
when people rebel and go astray they have bad hearts,,, when people repent they have A new heart
Mat 5:8 (KJV) Blessed are the pure in heart: for they shall see God.
people can stray away and backslide.
Lu 13:5 I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish.
openairpreacher 2 years ago
Are you a Roman Catholic or just an Arminian?
bberchin 2 years ago
The bible says: My People are destroyed by the lack of knowledge. U defending some dead idiot before you defend Christ???
efgatech 2 years ago
1. John Calvin was by far no idiot- quite the opposite.
2. If you paid attention, you would see that I WAS defending Christ first.
bberchin 2 years ago
bberchin
Calvin had Servetus executed for disagreeing over doctrine,,,he was a monster,,
openairpreacher 2 years ago
No he did not. Read a history book. Sheesh!
KarensFaith 2 years ago
"Jesus answered them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, whosoever committeth sin is the servant of sin."-John 8:34 "Do not let any part of your body become an instrument of evil to serve sin. Instead, give yourselves completely to God, for you were dead, but now you have new life. So use your whole body as an instrument to do what is right for the glory of God."-Romans 6:13
openairpreacher 2 years ago
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Karen
your interested in teaching people
they are once saved always saved and sinning in unavoidable
it gives you a sense of power over peoples hearts and minds..
you can put them under a Calvinist "spell"
openairpreacher 2 years ago
Mr. Markley,
Are you judging me? I get a sense of power by saying once we're saved we're always saved? Calvinists can cast spells? Is that what you're saying? Because if it is I can only say one thing to you. Your nuts!
Sheesh! I've heard it all now! As for being sinless, let's see what God's Word has to say about people who think they are sinless -
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KarensFaith 2 years ago
1 John 1:8 - "If we say that we have no sin, we are deceiving ourselves and the truth is not in us."
Hmmm....sounds a lot like you, Mr. Markley. Now go away and leave me alone.
KarensFaith 2 years ago
Karen your really a strong woman with lots of power to control people,,,
the problem with you is its not Jesus that is your motivation...if it was you would believe the blood is the remission of sin.
''' how much sin is all sin?
1 Jn 1:7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.
the reason you want left alone is darkness is comfortable to you and the light makes you nervous
openairpreacher 2 years ago
you might loose control over people Karen,,
do people live sinning? are they walking in the light? or do they forsake sinning and walk in the light?
people who walk in the darkness keep sinning and claim they are saved,,
just what calvinism teaches,
1 John 1:6 If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth:
Satan has His devils controlling people,, teaching sinning is unavoidable,,
the enemy has power hungry people who
need to control people
openairpreacher 2 years ago
I have control over people? I might lose that power? What on earth are you babbling about now. I control NO ONE! As for the rest of your comments...there are no words! You are so pathetic you don't even deserve an insulting insult! You have judged me wrongly, Mr. Markley. And by this same measure you will be judged. I am ignoring you from now on. You're not worth the effort! Or the time!
KarensFaith 2 years ago
The reason I want YOU to leave me alone is because you're an idiot! Simple enough for you? Now scat!
KarensFaith 2 years ago
are you planning on shewing me away with your broom?
its amazing how angry devils get when someone says
love Jesus and stop sinning!
it drives calvinists wild! with hate!
openairpreacher 2 years ago
We are not driven wild by hate, openairpreacher, we are irritated by hateful people who antagonise others with slander and foolish statements.
silmalila 2 years ago
the Idea of loving Jesus and forsaking sinning drives most Calvinists into a rage!
of course the god of calvinism keeps his children slaves to sin...
openairpreacher 2 years ago
Yes and the CONTEXT HERE IS FOR BELIEVERS!! Amen Karen!
SAUNDERSacts2618 2 years ago
Hi Karen openair preacher is sin free! hahaha boy is he decieved! That is a lie in it's self!!
SAUNDERSacts2618 2 years ago
SAUNDERSacts2618
are you into witchcraft? only a devil would say Jesus' blood does not cleanse a Christian of "ALL sin"
so Sanders your not free from sin and keep sinning.. what Spirit are you?
people who are Born of the Spirit of God ,walk in the Spirit,,, HOLY and forsake sinning!
openairpreacher 2 years ago
You are insane! How dare you call me a wiccan! That right there proves you are sin!!! I'm not a wiccan!
SAUNDERSacts2618 2 years ago
I really believe you are in the occult.,.
any one who Knows Jesus and abides in Jesus stops sinning and knows what it means to be FREE..
the mere Idea of being free from sinning makes devils mad.,.. and you are madder than the devils hell you are heading for!
openairpreacher 2 years ago
Saunders let me see if I understand Mr. Markley correctly. Saunders you preach the word of God and teach His Word and make videos warning the lost about sin and hell. Right? Right! So because you teach them from SCRIPTURE that makes you a wiccan?! Oh, my! LOL!!! Now all of us know you're no wiccan. You've made a lot of videos about why wicca and witchcraft is a sin. Mr. Markley knows this as well. THAT is why he said that to you. To get a response. We see him clearly now. He's a troll!
KarensFaith 2 years ago
Saunders, I think it best to just ignore openairpreacher/michaelmarkley. We've been through this same nonsense with him before. Responding to him is just feeding his mania. I am ignoring him and not even acknowledging him or his comments. Not reading them either. He's a troll, let's just let him starve.
KarensFaith 2 years ago
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openairpreacher 2 years ago
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SAUNDERSacts2618
you believe people who are free from sin are deceived!
well then Paul must be deceived according to your religion,,
what is your real religion? wiccan!
Romans 6:22 (KJV) But now being made free from sin, and become servants to God, ye have your fruit unto holiness, and the end everlasting life.
openairpreacher 2 years ago
Thank you, Saunders! Yes, he is deceived but I'm beginning to believe he is letting himself be deceived on purpose. He wants to antagonize, that's why his comments never make any sense! LOL!!! Just a babbler muttering senseless babbling! I'm done with him.
God bless you brother!
KarensFaith 2 years ago
I never said Calvin was sinless nor do I focus on the man. Calvin's being a sinner does not invalidate the great work that God did through him. It makes him a man God used mightily.
bberchin 2 years ago
ok in your religion
God uses sinning and rebellious people to do His might works,,
interesting contrast with scripture
John 9:31 Now we know that God heareth not sinners: but if any man be a worshipper of God, and doeth his will, him he heareth.
openairpreacher 2 years ago
real Christians Love Jesus and forsake sinning.
phony calvinists claim salvation and say sinning is unavoidable
openairpreacher 2 years ago
Sin IS unavoidable. Have you read Romans 7 lately or do you ignore it like much of the rest of scripture? Who do you think you are? You spit in Christ's face when you ascribe such power to people. You do not understand the gospel and what Christ really did to say such things.
bberchin 2 years ago
bberchin
Paul teaches people the difference between walking in the spirit or sinning in the flesh and also teaches the difference between civil law and grace,,, read roms chp 6,7,and 8...
I spit in Jesus face" when I tell people
to love Jesus and stop sinning?
ok your religion says people have no power over sinning. so sinning in unavoidable...
Matthew 22:29 (KJV) Jesus answered and said unto them, Ye do err, not knowing the scriptures, nor the power of God.
openairpreacher 2 years ago
Are you a sinner or are you not?
bberchin 2 years ago
Very good video, great message! Thank you! God bless!
KarensFaith 2 years ago
Karen
stop sinning and love Jesus!
get away from calvinism
openairpreacher 2 years ago
Which Jesus are you referring to? Yours or the one in the Bible?
bberchin 2 years ago
there is only one Jesus and John calvin is not His name...
calvinism is anti-christ and teaches people cannot stop sinning and they have no freewill
openairpreacher 2 years ago
Mr. Markley,
You're so full of yourself that there is no room in your heart for Jesus or anybody but yourself. My Jesus is the real Jesus. Yours is a figment of your own deluded imagination. You don't have a clue as to who the REAL Jesus Christ is. You've made Him out to be something He's not and if you continue to think you're perfect and have no sin, one day you are going to receive a very big shock.
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KarensFaith 2 years ago
Sit down and actually read a Bible, a REAL Bible and not the one you tore all the pages out of except for the verses you can so expertly twist! Stop worrying about the state of my soul and that of my brothers and sisters in Christ who are Reformed, and start worrying about the state yours is in.
You are in my prayers.
KarensFaith 2 years ago
Mr. Markley,
You and I have been down this road more times than I count. Leave me alone. I know how you believe and I am NOT interested in hearing anymore of your heresy. Understand? I don't care to hear what you have to say, you repeat the same thing over and over again.
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KarensFaith 2 years ago
I do love Jesus and your insistence that I don't reveals that you don't listen nor do you really care about the state of my soul. I don't have to prove anything to you. You are a heretic. Go away and take your false doctrine with you because I can't hear you anymore.
KarensFaith 2 years ago
Karen I can see by the tone of your writing your heart is convicted over the Calvinist doctrine and its causes you to strike out!..
try loving Jesus and forsaking sinning.
it will do wonders for your attitude
openairpreacher 2 years ago
Well, I just had my laugh for the day! LOL!!! CONVICTED? I am not striking out. I am SICK of listening to you. Is that so hard for you to understand? Go away! You don't care about my soul or anybody else's. You're a SICK man who gets his kicks out of irritating the living daylights out of others! Don't you realize what a joke you're making your self out to be?
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KarensFaith 2 years ago
I really don't want to be harsh with you but you don't leave me any other choice. I will NOT go through this again with you. I will not listen to what you have to say to me because it is heresy! I will not subject my self to your senseless tirades that don't make any sense and I will not listen to you mock my Savior and blaspheme Him and falsely accuse me anymore. DO YOU UNDERSTAND THIS?
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KarensFaith 2 years ago
I am not interested in anything you have to say. You are wasting your breath and my time. Sigh...I will pray for you. Jesus listens to me even though you don't.
Grace and peace to you Mr. Markley. I wish you no ill will but I will not let you harass me anymore.
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openairpreacher 2 years ago
Hm.. thanks for doing this Video as i am still weighing out all of this theological perspectives which are non-essentials and so we should not be divided as Christians! We need unity- You have presented this in a measured and reasonable way through the Scriptures as well- Thanks for that- though i have problems with the Calvinism- or parts of it for sure- but there is no reason to be divisive and dishonouring- this is actually not allowed- Anyway- blessings brother!
RebeccaMichael7 2 years ago
It's mot about Calvin or Calvinism. it's all about Christ. That is all. Calvin was one preacher. We need to get back to the Truth of the Living God!
thawadahyhwh 2 years ago 2
3)Why do Calvinist use this as a name sake of even being more than Christian. It's a (ist) or (ism). Did Calvin bring you to salvation or the Lord Jesus Christ. Can you say that you know you are saved and sure you going to heaven if you died today.
Why this badge of a mere man. Why not be a bible beleiving Christian? I read Calvin. But he is not my teacher. Find his writing very insigtful at times. But Calvin had people to death and Jews are still offended by Calvin and Luther.
simplydannygirl 3 years ago
But we must still act like Christians. The problem everyone has with Calvinist. And for get Atheitist. Thay are not even Christians. Who cares what they think. But many will strogly disagree with a man made doctrine of iresistible Grace and Limited Atonement.
Calvisn puts back the wall o partition between God and Men. I taking about Christians. Then Calvinism Creates a God to hard to please who "sovereignly" choses who to save and who to send to hell. None o this biblical.
simplydannygirl 3 years ago
1)Not a Arminian. Not Atheist. I'm hearing this constantly from Calvinist when people confront them,. II don't want to offend u or start argument in any way. But this lastest rise in Hyper Calvinism is very dangerous. When ever there is Choas in the Church of Christ this Calvinism has rasied it's ugly head since 18th Century.
I see Calvinist exalt a very flawed man above the Word or God. Saying Calavinsm is the Word of God. I find this almost blasphemy.
Christians can disagree.
simplydannygirl 3 years ago
Great video Brett!
ByChristAlone 3 years ago
Excellent video. I get a lot of flack for my name but really the only reason I made it was so that people would know where I was coming from. Really so I wouldn't have to deal with what you're dealing with in this video, lol.
People that see my name and don't want to watch the video, I don't want them to watch. They are already set in their ways and could just want to argue. I speak to the humble, the ones still pliable.
God Bless
JoelTheCalvinist 3 years ago 3
I find your video of such contradiction. You start off saying it needs to be about Jesus. But it somehow still turns out to be all about Calvin. If John Calvinist saw this today he would ask that the heretics be burned at the stake! You sadly have some Utopian view of this evil man. He was just no pastor, but had major influence over the magistrate of Geneva! Ask the Anabaptist how they felt about your beloved Calvin.
artanis68 3 years ago
Did you even watch the video?
bberchin 3 years ago
Yes I watched the entire video. You spent more time talking about Calvin and how great a man he was than Christ. I get your point in trying to say its not about John Calvin, but you turn right around and start talking about John Calvin - you quoted how many books about him? How much did you really talk about Jesus in this clip?
artanis68 3 years ago
Relax. Watch the follow-up video and some of my other videos- I don't think I'm missing Christ. It's amazing how people can judge me after watching one video.
bberchin 3 years ago
good video
Livinglife1992 3 years ago
Is there a time in your life when are not sinning?
jdquarg 3 years ago
Yes, but there is no time in my life when I am not a sinner.
bberchin 3 years ago
Then stop sinning and repent! If you continue in sin sir then you have not met the Savior. You have sadly beleived more in the doctrine of Calvin than your own bible. Stop Sinning. You can not serve two masters nor can you be partially obedient.
artanis68 3 years ago
I am just glad that the Lord led me to this vid coz its nice to hear a Calvinist who does not exalt 'Calvinism' above the Gospel and, for me, this has been one of the most confusing issues to a baby in Christ - I don't hold to Arminian, nor Calvinism but, I LOVE some of the teachings of both!
When I see the body bickering over these things, it really is so discouraging.
The Holy Spirit is the Spirit of TRUTH-don't you think He will teach us all the SAME thing, not different?!?
God bless xxx
gangiangie 3 years ago
I'm glad you are committed to the gospel and that you were blessed by my message. I am very committed to the gospel as well, but we must be careful to understand the gospel and be able to explain it; know what we believe and what the Bible teaches about salvation. If we can do that biblically I am convinced we'll sound like Calvinists wether we want to or not! God bless you!
bberchin 3 years ago
Praise God for leading me to this video! I have been really discouraged about the controversy that Calvinism vs Arminianism produces...heartbreaking really.
People need to understand that it is possible not to believe either (although hold to some of the teachings of both)...I simply believe the Gospel of Jesus Christ!
I know people who call Calvinism a cult but, I do not agree with that but, I do believe that many Calvinists I have spoken to have really hurt other bros/sisters in Christ..:o(
gangiangie 3 years ago
(1 of 4) Brett said,
"You know, LogicalCalvinist, that Calvinism can be a source of controversy which can deflect attention from Christ when talking with an unbeliever or a Christian who disagrees with Calvinism."
Really Brett? So what are you suggesting? That we tell the unbeliever that God is not sovereign in salvation, but that man is? That man is not dead in his sins, and in need of God granting him the gift of faith? That sinful man determines his own destiny?
LogicalCalvinist 3 years ago
(2 of 4)
Or should we tell him that God gives His grace to whom He wishes? That salvation is Sola Gratia and Sola Fide? Or as you suggest, should we preach the gospel in such a way as to lead men to understand that they are sovereign over their lives and destiny? And only AFTER they believe, we teach them the "Doctrines of Grace"? Do you believe you will, "catch more flies with honey, rather than with vinegar"? If so, you're not a Calvinist.
LogicalCalvinist 3 years ago
(3 of 4)
About 3 years ago my father died. At the funeral my pastor preached a sermon that was delivered to a mixed audience of believers and unbelievers, in which he proclaimed the gospel.. The first point of that sermon was to establish Gods absolute sovereignty over all things. There was no fear in proclaiming the truth to unbelievers concerning their fallen, sinful state, and the need of a wholly gracious salvation given from God as a gift to whom He wishes.
LogicalCalvinist 3 years ago
(4 of 4)
Not to mention that in my pastors closing prayer, rather than appealing to peoples decision about his message, he asked God to show the unbelievers their plight before His holy standard and law. He asked God to grant faith and repentance to any there who did not believe the gospel. Only Calvinism does this. Contemporary evangelicalism eclipses any grace they speak of in their sermons, when they tell people to make a decision for Jesus.
LogicalCalvinist 3 years ago
If you think I'm preaching a watered down gospel and that I'm ashamed to be a Calvinist, then you haven't paid any attention to any of my videos, nor have you understood anything I've told you in these comments. You are picking a fight here that is unnecessary and quite frankly a waste of time. Watch my follow up video to this one- Calvinism and Christianity.
bberchin 3 years ago
Brett said,
..."If you are sharing the gospel according to what the scriptures teach you have no choice but to teach it the way Calvinism teaches it. There is no need to say, "I am a Calvinist"."
This is not the issue here. The debate is not about preaching the gospel alone. It is about a much broader theological question. Do the doctrines taught by Calvinism equal the truth contained in the Bible? Besides, there is a definite difference in how Calvinism proclaims the gospel.
LogicalCalvinist 3 years ago
Brett said,
"Amazing that it takes an atheist to understand the point plain and simple. Steve, you understood my point perfectly."
Brett, why do you side with an apostate, atheist hater of Christ and His gospel, over a Christian brother? Can you defend this treacherous behavior? Are you siding with enemies of the gospel? Steve's hostile, aggressive, anti-Christian stance and arguments are very clear. Whose side are you on?
LogicalCalvinist 3 years ago
crazypills2 said,
"To Monty, doctrine is the only thing that matters. He is more concerned about calling others heretics than being like christ.
The golden rule has no importance to him; he only cares about the TULIP. To him, it's perfectly fine to continue to sin, as demonstrated by his habitual lying."
Tell me Steve. What does it mean to be "like Christ"? Could it mean loving doctrine so much that you condemn to Hell those who confound the gospel with tradition, as the Pharisees did?
LogicalCalvinist 3 years ago
raggedy80 said,
"When I tell people I'm a Calvinist it opens the door to share the true Gospel, if I just say I'm a Christian they more than likely will label me with the 90 percent of Americans that believe"...
Yes, excellent point. We should first identify ourselves to nonbelievers as Christians. But that alone will lead to wrong associations. We must then explain what we believe. We will explain that we believe what Calvinism teaches, because this is what the Bible teaches.
LogicalCalvinist 3 years ago
Really? Where is the name "Calvin" in the scriptures? Did Paul preach Calvinism or did he preach Christ? Wasn't Paul clear about what his theological position was without the benefits of Calvinism? You are blind to what you are arguing here and you are missing the point.
bberchin 3 years ago
Brett said:
"When you start using words like "elect" and "predestined" it will already be obvious what your theological position is."
No, it is not obvious what your position is. It may be *more likely* you're a Calvinist if you frequently use such theological words. But it is not obvious. Arminians can and do use such words, because they are biblical. But they define them according to their presupposition of human autonomy. You must always ask a person to define their terms.
LogicalCalvinist 3 years ago
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RedBeetle 3 years ago
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jterry316 3 years ago
Since you're so fond of Spurgeon, read this quote from his pen where he apparently disagrees with your sentiment regarding Calvin-ISM.
..."there is no such thing as preaching Christ and Him crucified, unless we preach what nowadays is called Calvinism. It is a nickname to call it Calvinism; Calvinism is the gospel, and nothing else."
(Spurgeon - A Defense of Calvinism)
LogicalCalvinist 3 years ago
I understand where LogicalCalvinist is coming from. Calvinism is Christianity. When I tell people I am a Christian I feel I have to tell them I'm a Calvinist to separate myself from false doctrines. It is sad the truth has to be labeled Calvinism but I am not ashamed to tell anyone I'm a Calvinist.
raggedy80 3 years ago
"I feel I have to tell them I'm a Calvinist to separate myself from false doctrines."- Why? I mean that sincerely. Please tell me why that is.
bberchin 3 years ago
Well, if people do not understand the doctrines of grace (Calvinism) then they do not understand God and His gift of salvation. When I tell people I'm a Calvinist it opens the door to share the true Gospel, if I just say I'm a Christian they more than likely will label me with the 90 percent of Americans that believe there self righteous, works based idolatry doctrines that are taught every Sunday.
raggedy80 3 years ago
"To think otherwise would suggest that anyone who thinks differently is not a true believer and theology becomes a prequalifier for heaven- see where I'm going?"
I see where you are going but I think you are wrong for going there. If you start your Christianity off thinking different is one thing, but if someone is claiming growth in Christ and are seekers of Truth, by discrediting Calvinism can only mean one thing. They are not seekers of Truth. They are seeker of what they want God to be.
raggedy80 3 years ago
Yes, I agree, but that is a few steps past what we're talking about- I think the point is when the conversation begins, what starts it- Calvinism or the gospel? If you are sharing the gospel according to what the scriptures teach you have no choice but to teach it the way Calvinism teaches it. There is no need to say, "I am a Calvinist". When you start using words like "elect" and "predestined" it will already be obvious what your theological position is.
bberchin 3 years ago
"if people do not understand the doctrines of grace (Calvinism) then they do not understand God and His gift of salvation."- Yes, you're right, but who are you talking to? Christians or unbelievers? Unbelievers don't understand anyway- they don't need Calvinism, they need to repent and believe the gospel- then they need to learn Calvinism. We should be sharing the gospel plain and simple with unbelievers, not bombarding them with theology they can learn after conversion.
bberchin 3 years ago
"Yes, you're right, but who are you talking to? Christians or unbelievers?"
Why not both? Is Calvinism not Truth? Sounds to me you wouldn't want to offend a non-believer, this is the problem if an non-believer rejects Calvinism then they are rejecting the God of the Bible. Calvinism is not just theology. You said "they need to repent and believe the gospel-then they need to learn Calvinism. So you want a non-believers to believe in a God they might reject later?
raggedy80 3 years ago
I totally agree, in that Calvinism describes what the Bible teaches about the gospel. When Spurgeon says, "Calvinism is the gospel" he means that Calvinism describes the biblical gospel- it's a metaphor. To think otherwise would suggest that anyone who thinks differently is not a true believer and theology becomes a prequalifier for heaven- see where I'm going?
bberchin 3 years ago
bberchin wrote:
"To think otherwise would suggest that anyone who thinks differently is not a true believer and theology becomes a prequalifier for heaven"
Paul teaches exactly this: if you do not believe Justification By Faith Alone, then you are not a Christian (Galatians 1:8). Paul disagrees with bberchin: doctrine matters!
bberchin writes:
"see where I going?"
Yes, to hell.
I suggest you repent and believe the Gospel: Justification By Faith Alone.
RedBeetle 3 years ago
Brett,
To say "Calvinism is NOT Christianity, Christianity is Christianity", sound very pious, but it isn't. It's tautological and meaningless. For you must ALWAYS define Christianity. Which putting forth the propositions believed by Calvinism, in fact, DOES. You cannot speak about Christianity without defining a myriad of doctrines. You will either define them according to Calvinistic interpretations, or you will use another theological system. Which is it Brett?
LogicalCalvinist 3 years ago
You're right- I think it was clear in the video that I am a Calvinist. It has been clear through all of my videos that I am a Calvinist and not because I've said that I am, but because of the way I speak about scripture and the gospel. That's really my point- you can tell what kind of a theologian I am without me having to stamp a Calvinist label on my forehead. What's more- Monty Collier is ONLY about Calvinism to the exclusion of everything else which is just as bad as being Arminian.
bberchin 3 years ago
It's the same phenomenon you see at seminaries. Many go to study theology and they know everything about theology and will even defend views like Calvinism with great clarity and enthusiasm, but live like a pagan and end up destroying their lives. I am right with you, though, we need to define our Christianity and I am certainly not quiet about it. You should have seen me at the Christian school I taught at in a lair of broad evangelicals who mostly hated Calvinism;
bberchin 3 years ago
they got annoyed with me on many occasions because I wouldn't stand for their watered down Christianity and fundamentalism. They knew without a doubt I was a Calvinist, but I continually defended Christ and the gospel according to Calvinist teaching, but not Calvinism. I expected this reaction from a few of my fellow Calvinists out there and you were the first. I hope that clears things up and you understand where I'm coming from. God bless.
bberchin 3 years ago
..."that I am a Calvinist...because of the way I speak about scripture and the gospel. That's really my point- you can tell what kind of a theologian I am without me having to stamp a Calvinist label on my forehead."
You're changing the subject here from, Calvinism = Christianity, to: "I'm a Calvinist, but don't like being called one". This is a different issue entirely. You're a closet Calvinist who shuns the label when it brings heat from evangelicals.
LogicalCalvinist 3 years ago
No, I am not ashamed one bit of being labeled a Calvinist. I think that is clear from the video and all of my other videos. I just simply do not wish my being a Calvinist to be the focus; in other words, I don't want my Calvinism to overshadow Christ and the gospel. You know, LogicalCalvinist, that Calvinism can be a source of controversy which can deflect attention from Christ when talking with an unbeliever or a Christian who disagrees with Calvinism.
bberchin 3 years ago
"Monty Collier is ONLY about Calvinism to the exclusion of everything else which is just as bad as being Arminian."
What in the world does this mean? It implies that something is wrong with Calvinist theology. What does it mean to be "only about Calvinism"? Is Calvinism deficient as a theological system of interpretation? Do you borrow, "cafeteria style", from all manner of traditions? Your statement implies that one should be embarrassed to be a strong Calvinist.
LogicalCalvinist 3 years ago
"Monty Collier is ONLY about Calvinism to the exclusion of everything else..." - Brett
"What in the world does this mean?" - LogicalCalvinist
To Monty, doctrine is the only thing that matters. He is more concerned about calling others heretics than being like christ.
The golden rule has no importance to him; he only cares about the TULIP. To him, it's perfectly fine to continue to sin, as demonstrated by his habitual lying.
crazypills2 3 years ago
"To Monty, doctrine is the only thing that matters. He is more concerned about calling others heretics than being like christ."- Amazing that it takes an atheist to understand the point plain and simple. Steve, you understood my point perfectly. :)
bberchin 3 years ago
"Steve, you understood my point perfectly. :)"
Well, I used to be a christian, you know...lol.
crazypills2 3 years ago
Not that again! lol
bberchin 3 years ago
You know what I meant and I was clear in the video. Why are you pressing me on this? Do you think there is a problem with my theology? Do you think Calvin should come before Christ? I AM a strong Calvinist, as you put it, and that's why I see Christ as more important than Calvin- don't you?
bberchin 3 years ago
Just so we are clear. Your use of 1 Corinthians is a non sequitur. For to say that Calvinism is Christianity is not to promote Calvin for the sake of promoting Calvin. It is to say that what Calvin taught is faithful to scripture. Calvinism believes in Sola Scriptura. Which means, contrary to most who proclaim it: The Bible Alone is the Word of God. Only theology that is faithful to the Bible is Christian. This is why Calvinism IS Christianity.
LogicalCalvinist 3 years ago
Many cults and other world religions "love" Jesus. The question isn't, do you talk a lot about Jesus? But who is your Jesus? What did He do in His life and death here on earth? What did Jesus accomplish?
LogicalCalvinist 3 years ago
You seem very concerned that you didn't seem to find "Jesus" in Monty's videos. Well, I believe you should look again. Christ is central in Calvinism, and Monty is no exception. Luther said he saw Christ "on every page of holy scripture". Calvinism consistently upholds this idea, for we do not fall into the error of Dispensationalism that replaces Christ with Israel, and usurps Christ's place as the sum and substance of all prophecy.
LogicalCalvinist 3 years ago
Cont...
Theology is the art of making distinctions. To say that Calvinism is Christianity is not to exalt Calvin, but to make clear exactly what I believe about a whole host of doctrines. Doctrines that are essential, and not tangential to one's orthodoxy. Reformed theology is eons apart from contemporary evangelicalism. If you shun the Calvinism label, then you will be lost among the mass of evangelical, Roman Catholic, and cultic "Christians".
LogicalCalvinist 3 years ago
Great video! Truth all the way through.
raggedy80 3 years ago 2
Cont...
To say that Calvinism is Christianity is not to exalt Calvin himself, as Calvin would despise, but is to take a specific theological stance among all manner of anti and sub Christian theology. If you tell me you are a Christian, that really tells me very little. It may mean you accept the death, burial, and bodily resurrection of Christ. Good, but so far you could just be a Roman Catholic.
LogicalCalvinist 3 years ago
Brett,
Do you acknowledge the absolute necessity of using confessions and creeds? Do you realize that saying that "Calvinism is Christianity" is the same thing. Yes, we are first and foremost Christians. But that label alone, in this day and age, is of little value. For so many sects, including Rome, the cults, and all manner of unbiblical "evangelicals" also claim to be Christian.
LogicalCalvinist 3 years ago
Wonderful video!
Calvinist4Christ 3 years ago 2
Hi Brett,
Although I think you show Calvin as a better man than he really was, the video was good nonetheless.
And, even though I disagree with you on most issues, I do respect you. I believe that individuals like Collier give you calvinists a really bad name. They seem to be more interested in their doctrine than emulating like christ.
Anyway, no argument from me today, so enjoy it, because tomorrow we will probably fight again :-)
crazypills2 3 years ago 3
I don't fight, Steve- I get frustrated with you, but that is about as dramatic as it gets. I appreciate your compliments, though, and look forward to your input.
bberchin 3 years ago
Great video! Let us speak the truth in LOVE and remember that the Lord is greater than all.
naturalsystah 3 years ago
Not to get into another argument, Brett, but Calvin did not go beyond the cross in understanding the gospel. Calvinists equate acceptance of Christ's death on the cross with the full requirement for salvation and disregard His resurrection as the final requirement in salvation. This is a very serious error in John Calvin's theology and shows his failure to understand the primary doctrine of the Bible, the gospel, which is clearly stated in the Romans 5:10.
HailZeon57 3 years ago
I agree that we are all Christians, but we still teach different doctrines with different views.
HailZeon57 3 years ago
"...equate acceptance of Christ's death on the cross with the full requirement for salvation and disregard His resurrection as the final requirement in salvation."- Where do you get this idea? In Calvin's writings? I've never heard that. The resurrection is the hinge-pin upon which our faith hangs- Paul said that and Calvin agreed with it. Be careful when studying what Calvin "believed". He is a heavily scrutinized character and there is a lot of disinformation about him and his teachings.
bberchin 3 years ago
The Five Points of Calvinism do not contain a reference to the resurrection of Christ at all. If the resurrection was so important to Calvin, why did he fail to include it in TULIP? I'm not criticizing you or any other Calvinist, just the doctrine. Calvin did not talk good about Lutherans either.
He said "I am carefully on the watch that Lutheranism gain no ground, nor be introduced into France. The best means, believe me, for checking the evil would be that confession written by me . . ."
HailZeon57 3 years ago
(cont)
Letter to Heinrich Bullinger, July 2, 1563
HailZeon57 3 years ago
Alex, the 5 points were not written by Calvin. They were extrapolated from his writings and assembled after he was long gone. You are right- they don't speak to the resurrection, but the 5 points don't begin to scratch the surface of what Calvin wrote and preached. The only thing I can say with surety is that Calvinism is incomplete in that it is not the scriptures and it is fallible and uninspired by the Spirit.
bberchin 3 years ago
Also, you may want to look further into his views on Lutheranism and what the catalyst was for that comment, because Luther himself would be mortified to see what his namesake is today and both he and Calvin were biblical men and pioneers of the Reformed faith. They also were very different men and Luther, though convicted in biblical truth, still had many theological issues left over from his background which were problems biblically.
bberchin 3 years ago
Finally, I don't sense any kind of an argument here. I know these issues can be difficult, but I also know from our contact that you seem to genuinely love the Lord. We have no problems here- even if you never become a 5-pointer! ;)
bberchin 3 years ago
lol. Very true. I appreciate all you've done on Youtube and I am so sad to see how many people basically slap God in the face by rejecting his invitation to believe. God Bless and I look forward to your next video.
HailZeon57 3 years ago
Yeah. Well, unfortunately, no one is perfect. But thank God for the two of them or else we'd probably all be still ensnared into the many many problems of Catholic ideology. :)
HailZeon57 3 years ago
I see. But if Calvin didn't write the 5 points, then who did?
HailZeon57 3 years ago
They were formulated by men at the Synod of Dort in 1618 to refute the 5 points of Arminianism. Read "The Five Points of Calvinism" by Daivd Steele and Curtis Thomas. It's a wonderful little book that puts it all right out there in plain english and explains everything. It was one of the first Calvinistic books I read.
bberchin 3 years ago
Hmmm, I'll check into it. I'm currently finishing up "The Reason for God", so I'll look into it. =]
HailZeon57 3 years ago