I always wished that the Evolutionists had some real evidence. Like taking some simple short lived species and "evolving" it into another separate species. That would at least show all the forces they love to tout could transform one species into another. Of course, in the laboratory this would happen under complete control and not the uncontrolled natural way.
Boy are you out of date. Like... thousands of years out of date. Do you know anything about the history of farming? Cultivating? Or even breeding for that matter?
If you want lab results, there have been several experiments that have observed unicellular organisms evolve into multi-cellular organisms within 6 generations.
In the wild, over 30 years, an isolated group of lizards grew a second stomach that the original population didn't have.
You don't need to get into personal attacks. Just answer like a scientist who is only interested in the truth and bringing that to the masses.
A second stomach for a lizard is amazing. But could two-stomach lizards no longer mate with one-stomach lizards? Was the two-stomach lizard a separate and distinct species?
We have all the different types of dogs, or sheep or cows, for instance, but they can all mate and produce their hybrids. Hybrids are not a separate species.
It wasn't a personal attack. It was an observation. If you want an answer "like a scientist who is only interested in the truth and bringing that to the masses" go read a peer-reviewed journal.
The species is called "podarcis sicula". Go find out for yourself.
You're not a breeder are you. Not all dogs can interbreed. Some of them are too different to even create a hybrid. Any breeder can tell you that.
Sheep & cows can produce their hybrids because humans keep them that way.
I'm looking for a more clear cut example of controlled evolution. I'm not sure if you mean some dog species can't interbreed , like a chihuahua with a great dane because of physical size difference. But all dogs are Canis familiaris, right? If you inseminated any dog any with any dog sperm, it would produce a dog?
The lizard is interesting and that species has many sub-species. I came across the term "ring species" and understand the basic concept.
Is there some laboratory controlled evolution that has "broken the ring"? Stepped outside the ring a step or two to really be a clear cut example of evolution? There must be a very powerful "apparatus" to evolve, in all animals, as evidenced by Cambrian Explosion. I am thinking it must be easier to "tap" into this force under controlled conditions, than by the ebb and flow and chance in Nature.
Size is a factor when breeding dogs. If there is a significant difference in size between the 2 breeds, the offspring usually does not survive for very long (if at all), and even if it does it will have many health problems. It does not matter if it was done in the laboritory or naturally.
Of course it would be a dog. Evolution wouldn't allow it to be anything else. But is it the same breed of dog?
Then you know the different species at each end of the "ring" cannot interbreed.
I use controled experiments all the time in my work. I allow only one variable at a time as we search for solutions to our problems.
Yes, the species at the end of the ring cannot interbreed.
Why wouldn't evolution allow anything else but a dog? This is a confusing statement. It seems to me that evolution must be a very powerful force for change, ie the Cambrian Explosion again. Why is it so hard to harness it and produce and animal from a dog that is clearly not a dog?
I have a hard time imagining all the step by step changes it would take to evolve a land animal into a sea mammal. It seems like there are so many steps and so much engineering to evolve from one to the other, that evolution must have a directive or something.
So I would like to know about some very successful and distinct example of a clear cut change from one species to another, and I'll take a laboratory creature at this point.
530 million year old fossils are a bigger problem for bible packers than scientists.
gregrutz 1 year ago
Sorry, I rated this one star by misconception...
thelamb777 2 years ago
I always wished that the Evolutionists had some real evidence. Like taking some simple short lived species and "evolving" it into another separate species. That would at least show all the forces they love to tout could transform one species into another. Of course, in the laboratory this would happen under complete control and not the uncontrolled natural way.
KH45430 2 years ago
Boy are you out of date. Like... thousands of years out of date. Do you know anything about the history of farming? Cultivating? Or even breeding for that matter?
If you want lab results, there have been several experiments that have observed unicellular organisms evolve into multi-cellular organisms within 6 generations.
In the wild, over 30 years, an isolated group of lizards grew a second stomach that the original population didn't have.
There are many more. Go look it up.
Atriviality 2 years ago
You don't need to get into personal attacks. Just answer like a scientist who is only interested in the truth and bringing that to the masses.
A second stomach for a lizard is amazing. But could two-stomach lizards no longer mate with one-stomach lizards? Was the two-stomach lizard a separate and distinct species?
We have all the different types of dogs, or sheep or cows, for instance, but they can all mate and produce their hybrids. Hybrids are not a separate species.
KH45430 2 years ago
It wasn't a personal attack. It was an observation. If you want an answer "like a scientist who is only interested in the truth and bringing that to the masses" go read a peer-reviewed journal.
The species is called "podarcis sicula". Go find out for yourself.
You're not a breeder are you. Not all dogs can interbreed. Some of them are too different to even create a hybrid. Any breeder can tell you that.
Sheep & cows can produce their hybrids because humans keep them that way.
Atriviality 2 years ago
I'm looking for a more clear cut example of controlled evolution. I'm not sure if you mean some dog species can't interbreed , like a chihuahua with a great dane because of physical size difference. But all dogs are Canis familiaris, right? If you inseminated any dog any with any dog sperm, it would produce a dog?
The lizard is interesting and that species has many sub-species. I came across the term "ring species" and understand the basic concept.
KH45430 2 years ago
Is there some laboratory controlled evolution that has "broken the ring"? Stepped outside the ring a step or two to really be a clear cut example of evolution? There must be a very powerful "apparatus" to evolve, in all animals, as evidenced by Cambrian Explosion. I am thinking it must be easier to "tap" into this force under controlled conditions, than by the ebb and flow and chance in Nature.
KH45430 2 years ago
"broken the ring"? Virologists "break the ring" on a daily basis. That's how they come up with vaccines before they're needed.
The "ring" demonstrates evolution clearly because like the "ring", evolution is a step by step process.
Do you know what a "controlled experiement" is and why they are useful?
Atriviality 2 years ago
Size is a factor when breeding dogs. If there is a significant difference in size between the 2 breeds, the offspring usually does not survive for very long (if at all), and even if it does it will have many health problems. It does not matter if it was done in the laboritory or naturally.
Of course it would be a dog. Evolution wouldn't allow it to be anything else. But is it the same breed of dog?
Then you know the different species at each end of the "ring" cannot interbreed.
Atriviality 2 years ago
Yes,
I use controled experiments all the time in my work. I allow only one variable at a time as we search for solutions to our problems.
Yes, the species at the end of the ring cannot interbreed.
Why wouldn't evolution allow anything else but a dog? This is a confusing statement. It seems to me that evolution must be a very powerful force for change, ie the Cambrian Explosion again. Why is it so hard to harness it and produce and animal from a dog that is clearly not a dog?
KH45430 2 years ago
I have a hard time imagining all the step by step changes it would take to evolve a land animal into a sea mammal. It seems like there are so many steps and so much engineering to evolve from one to the other, that evolution must have a directive or something.
So I would like to know about some very successful and distinct example of a clear cut change from one species to another, and I'll take a laboratory creature at this point.
KH45430 2 years ago
Ah. A Berlinski.
watch?v=O_IKPSavQ4Y
Atriviality 2 years ago
"Why wouldn't evolution allow anything else but a dog?"
watch?v=5MXTBGcyNuc
Atriviality 2 years ago
@KH45430 Dogs will always make dogs, according to evolution.
That is why humans are still apes. Apes make apes.
You can't out grow you ancestory.
gregrutz 1 year ago
@gregrutz Yes, dogs only make dogs. We can't outgrow our ancestory. Etc.
Wait a second. That's not evolution. How did we get new species if we can't break out of our ancestory?
KH45430 1 year ago
@KH45430 Watch dogs don't make non dogs on my home page.
Apes make apes.
That is why humans are still apes.
And all apes are still monkeys.
And all monkeys are still primates.
And all primates are still mammals.
And all mammals are still tetrapods
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or watch turns out we really did come from monkeys
gregrutz 1 year ago
"Evolution in some generic sense may still be alive and well"
- Like in reproduction.
"but as this video gets out among the masses, the stricter form of Darwinian evolution will go doddering off into the ash heap of history."
- So variable reproductive success will go "doddering off to the ash heap of history" will it?
"Dr. William A. Dembski, mathematician, theologian, and professor of philosophy"
- I note the distinct lack of the qualification "biologist".
Atriviality 2 years ago