Bruford is a far more accomplished musician however, Alan White slaps some mean skins in his own right and with the Yes faithful he's always gonna be a major part of the band
@sunrajah It was just for kicks man, I just got sick of how many people fight over these two drummers, they're both awesome. Point is, there are many drummers that are better, as far as technique goes.
@JapaneseMonsters14 ... many? Bruford is pretty technical...I saw Bruford-Levin Band couple years ago and one part of it was like a drum clinic ... people have a tendency to have to have an argument on relative merits, like my sports teams are better than yours......just a sign of the times & decline of Western Civilization......
@JapaneseMonsters14 Mr. Peart stole most of his triplet fills from Bill Bruford and Phil Collins. I am sure Bruford could play anything Peart ever played on, probably better, but Peart could hardly sit behind most of what Bruford played on. Really no dispute, probably none from Peart either.
Look this is art no matter like or dislike, have the respect and open mind to enjoy it. What I want to know is why no mention of mickey hart and billy k
I saw Yes for the first time live in 1972 (the Eagles were the opening act,and the tickets were $5).I did not know Bruford had left,and although I enjoyed the show and have gone on to see them more than 15 times since,I still believe that Bruford is a far better drummer.Different style,I know,and White's drumming on the Relayer album (especially "Sound Chaser") is very good.But Bruford is in a different league in my view.
Don't forget, Bruford walked in '73 before their "Close to the Edge" tour, and they found Alan White. He learned the whole album, and all their other stuff. Three days later he embarked on this major tour with them. He's great. Listen to "Sound Chaser".
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Ok, since everyone is making comparisons, how about this: could Alan White play in King Crimson? Not would he, could he? How do you think he would fare?
i can do what white does , but bruford is a different animal , believe me he just didnt stick around that long . he's far more superior than alan white .
Wenn man sich das genau anhört, den Solo-part von Alan, was er da macht, während Bill den snare-part macht, mitzählt........die absolute Härte! das ist ein hochtrainiertes Viech! Wenn ich jetzt an Colaiuta denke........dann trink ich mein Bier aus und geh beruhigt schlafen. Aber das...., sorry, hört da mal genau hin.....leck mich am Arsch!
Comparison between the two is like comparing Emerson and Wakeman. Both exceptional artists. I prefer White, he has a funkier kind of groove. Excellent drummers, both.
While Bruford has always been thought of as the more accomplished of the two, and certainly more famously renowned, Alan White is the better drummer for Yes. He gave them that solid rock power that the artsy band had been missing.
When an artist reaches a level of greatness like Bruford, Collins, White, Palmer, etc, etc have done it, comparisons aren't applicable anymore. Dali or Picasso? Mozart or Bethoveen? Cervantes or Hemingway? Silly, right?
I've been drumming since I was 12 (I'm 38 now). They are two different styles. Yes, of course most people and drummers especially will say Bruford is "better". There is no better here just two different styles and the band changed a bit over the years of course with White too. Bruford is of course a drummer who has God given talent like few others of his genre. Check out his stuff filling for Genesis before Chester. Trick of the Tail tour in 76.
well actually Bruford have a very unique sound and polyrythmic style but when he performed with genesis in the first part of "SECONDS OUT" (because they don't called "a trick of tail tour") he put a diffrent and precise notes for many songs of genesis i love phill collins style but bruford it's clean and precise meanwhile collins is dinamic and explosive i like a lot of the preformance of seconds out with bruford but he waste the last song LOS ENDOS which sound better the duel with chester thom
Two are great, but I prefer Yes music with Bruford. Fragile and CTTE, are in my opinion the best performed records by Yes. A big Yes fan from Santander, Spain.
I think Bruford has a more recognizable style; you can always tell it's him, but I actually thought White filled the Yes drum chair better than Bruford. Their music just had a more full sound once he joined. I totally diasagree skicot who says White's drumming is boring. I am fortunate enough to play in a band that does about 5 Yes songs and I closely listened to the drum parts of each and White in my opinion plays more from a song writers perspectice and therefore in a sense is more musical.
Bill is an icon. The best pieces from YES, Genesis and King Crimson is when Bill is on the throne. That's not to take anything away from Alan but if you took a poll of percussionist's... Bruford wins hands-down (No pun intended) and it's not even close. That being said, I can't imagine YES without Alan nor do I wish to.
Bruford & White are making an improvisation! Don't forget that. All comparisions are bad to be done. Personally, it's an exercise of high difficulty for everyone who is able to take this duel.
@MarcGrauCat I truely doubt this is a real improv, this is obviously blocked out. The fun is listening to 2 different styles. As far as I am concerned Bruford is by far the better but White is no novice. Serious play between 2 professionals.
thank you for the agreement, i still belive bruford and white are amazing musicians in their own right ,but they just dont produce an interesting piece of music together.
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@MrPowerring Bruford's not a percussionist at all.. he's a trap set drummer who dabbles in percussion sounds.. his solos are pretty boring for the most part. I'd hire ALan White over Bruford any day. the odd time rhythm thing gets pretty old pretty fast...
No doubt, Bruford is a great drummer. But so is White. John Lennon and George Harrison thought so, and so did Yes, for he was their first pick as a replacement for Bill when he abandoned the band at the very height of their career!
I wouldn't say he "abandoned" them. He left to play with King Crimson...more experimental...more fun as a drummer. He played on the greatest prog album the world has ever known, then bounced. On to the next.
Gotta love Broof. Next to Tony Williams and Jack DeJohnette, he da man. Does anyone here recall the ABWH Bruford/Levin duet at Great Woods '89? That was a lot of fun.
Okay....will someone put the Neil Peart v Anyone who drummed in bands who played complicated music prior to Rush arguement to bed here? Neil Peart LEARNED from these guys, and if you listen to Neil Peart`s drum solo from All the World`s a stage live album from 1976 you basically have that Neil Peart signature drum solo (give or take a few concessions to modernity). Neil Peart is perhaps one of the best ROCK drummers on earth. But please leave invention to the instigators. Either that or LISTEN.
Once again bonebreath, It was NOT me who wrote that. It was the drummer I work with. When you don't know who you are talking to or what you are talking about, don't flap your fish lips unless you are prepared to be schooled.......like now. Holdsworth is gifted and amazing. Besides him, let's see if anyone else holds a candle to who I listen to. Brett Garsed, Tommy Emmanuel, Greg Howe, Guthrie Govan, Gary Wills, David Pastorious, Michael Manring, Virgil Donati, Marco Minneman...get it, shut up
Holds a cradle to who YOU listen to? Who are you, the quintessential expert when it comes to druming? Even your drumming co-worker has his preferences which are OPINIONS. got it?
Yes, I. You have no idea what you are getting yourself into pal. I DO know what I am talking about. I know almost everything, including what a pinhead you are. If I write something, you can bet your bottom dollar it is FACT. Insecure people like yourself have opinions. I have fact and superior knowledge, so shut up, got it?
Shut your face hippie. Someone wrote that using my id. I don't really give two craps about Bruford or any of the other hacks you just mentioned, so take a Xanax and relax, you overly sensative crackhead.
I guess you weren't paying attnetion back during the "Burning for Buddy" days. Neil got smoked by most of the drummers who played, including Bruford, and admitted to it.
Neil then decided to take drum lessons again from Fred Gruber, an old friend of Buddy Rich.
Everyone is entitled to their opinions, but the evidence speaks for itself.
Some of you pubeless ignoramus's that are rubbishing these two, obviously have no idea about detailed, technical drumming. For those that think Alan White has no skills, do yourselves a favour and listen to RIck Wakeman's Album, "Henry VIII and his six wives" White's drumming will blow your 4/4 mind away!
Agreed. Two drummers, two completely different styles. I've enjoyed BOTH Bruford and White equally in Yes. White who is a flat-out rock drummer, and Bruford who is more of a jazz oriented drummer.
BTW, if you wanna hear some GREAT Bruford drumming, listen to King Crimson's Live in Asbury Park, NJ. Or anything he did with Genesis live in '76.
I think the reason that Simmons drums didn't survive was that they didn't make a head that felt like a drum and that turned many drummers off. Geat solo by the way.
This is a great video in that it really hilights the differences in the 2 players styles. White is definately more of a "basher" while Bruford is much more technical. Bill was always the better of the 2 on the Yes recordings.
so this looks pro-shot. was this available commercially? is it available anywhere to upload? i saw this show in Mass and thought the "in the round" idea was great. Not too keen on the group as a whole. Saw the ABWH tour too and that rocked!
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Much prefer Chester&Phil duet to that piece of tripe. Alan's a fantastic player; underrated. Bruford is overrated. Especially playing odd time; too angular, too predictable. He was clearly out classed by Berlin and Holdsworth on One of a Kind. If I want to hear a failed attempt at a cheap imitation of Tony Williams, I'll go with Bruford whose ego is greater than his abilities. Polyrhthyms? Colaiuta and Williams make Bruford sound like a beginner technically and conceptually.
People "project" a great deal of non-sense onto other musicians, don't they VideoKills13? Maybe this should be relegated properly to say comic book characters and not real people. It's something I'd expect listening to a 10 year-old, but adults? Apologies all around to the 10 year-olds out there who actually know better.
from a drummers standpoint, i shamefully have to agree somewhat with some of these anti-white comments. he doesnt seem to be capable of soloing in odd signatures like 7/8. But, to be fair, i think bruford should completely get rid of that electronic pile of crap. for a drummer with his skill he should be playing on an instrument that allows him to play to his potential. the electronic drums have a very undynamic sound. plays some of the effects ring out way too long and sound like crap.
I totally agree with the electronic drum sound!!!......even i sound good on them, when you hit a wrong pad or drum people think it is part of the solo and still think you are brilliant!
Agreed. I'd do so far to say that *everybody* who has ever been in Yes stands head and shoulders musically over any of the yobs posting comments here, myself included.
Alan may not be as technical a drummer as Bruford, but his sense of groove cannot be dismissed. Alan White is as solid as they come, could tackle Bill's old parts with relative ease, and could also play odd time signatures that swung like crazy ("Machine Messiah" comes to mind).
Bruford liked to play patterns and improvise, and White just liked to lay down solid time, and both drummers were legends in their own right. Two different drummers who handled the drummer role in Yes magnificently.
Thanks for posting this. Not sure why tho people want to "compare" drummers... kinda like "comparing" squire and berlin... why not just enjoy the Apples and Oranges. Those that prefer apples dont have to bash the oranges
Steady on boys. Yes, Bill Bruford is clearly the 'better' drummer, a signature even Alan White, I'm sure, wouldn't dispute . . . but White ain't chopped liver. Enjoy this opportunity of seeing them whack the skins together whilst you can!
Bill`s tapping out rhythms like a casual joke whilst Alan`s gurning and pulling faces as he strives to compete with one of rock /jazz `s innovators. Gawd bless `em both...they`ve both been through the mill!
It all adds up to this... Bill is a jazz drummer and Alan is a rock drummer. The jazz drummer will almost always have a broader musical vocabulary, as in this case.
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alan white is a lazy slouch. Wow, look I'm playing a simple snare pattern in 7! Please Bill, I can't improvise...let's just keep it there....Wowie Zowie! Bill's like....OK Alan, where's my paycheck?
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it is very plain to see (and hear) that alan white is not nearly the musician that bill bruford is. this is an embarrassment! embarrassing for alan to have to try to play on bill's level and embarrassing for bill to have to play down to alan's level so alan wouldn't look so bad. bill was much more challenged by playing with pat masteloto in the double trio version of king crimson and definitely more challenged by playing with jamier muir on larks' tongues in aspic.
Bill did not leave Yes because he "couldn't top CTTE." He's quite clear on this. He left Yes because after CTTE, there was nothing left for him to contribute to the band...and more importantly, nothing left in the band to contribute to him. CTTE was done, and it was time for more promising explorations in the world of percussion: Robert Fripp's King Crimson. As for this duet, having seen the tour, I can honestly say this was the saving grace of what was a load of wanking.
to say the truth this is a very simple drum duet just because alan cant understand more intricate patterns , bruford had to do it this way and it shows . bruford is ages a better drummer/musician than alan white . if there is any doubt just grab the UK album , or any king crimson album , plus the best yes albums fragile and close to the edge are with bruford , his departure from the band was felt and wakeman left shortly after that .
Really takes me back to Wembley when I saw this tour, did it ever make dvd? I have a Japanese import of concert but large parts are missing including the drum duet.
Great stylings of both Yes drummers. Both contributed so much and are unique in their approach to Yes. Be glad that this vedeo is available Thank You so much matic3060 for this awesome clip.
Bruford is so damn funny, content to let alan do the flash while he didles, amazing. I wounder what the conversation between alan and bill was like when the pieced this monstrosity out!
It is interesting that Bill stares at Alan all the time they play. He also did it when Yes Union played in Japan. I watched them and thought Bill looks like Alan's teacher. I understand they should not be compared, but I think Bill is much greater.
i'd say they just present two very diffrent styles of drumming. if you study Bill's play through the early Yes era, and his participation in King Crimson, you'll notice he's much more oriented in using cymbals and snare accents, while Alan supports his play rather with extensive use of bass drum (more rocking style). that's what make this video interesting (for drummers, like me), this comparison of two styles.
This is great... enjoy it. And ....PPPLLEEEAAASSSEEE!!! DO NOT COMPARE this TWO excellent drummers. I don't think that's the purpouse of matic3060 for posting this.
Bruford is a far more accomplished musician however, Alan White slaps some mean skins in his own right and with the Yes faithful he's always gonna be a major part of the band
collingslarry 2 months ago
oo that's the drum intro from Mind Drive
narutlee 2 months ago
I actually think these seven people who don't like this, they'd love to play any bruford's songs, but ...cannot!!
heldrvmqtm 3 months ago
5:57 Nice entrance, Tony!
elipper 5 months ago
The heck with all y'all. Animal rules!
ALConfederate 5 months ago
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Hey, if anyone has the time, do you think you could check out my drum solo and tell me what you think, what needs work, etc.? Thank you.
tylerdav1 5 months ago
A smile came upon my face...drummers...so sexy.
green3825 5 months ago
Neil Peart is better than both, all arguments have been ended
JapaneseMonsters14 6 months ago
@JapaneseMonsters14 you're an idiot ... or at least limited in awareness of what is happening around you ... dum, dum, da -- DUMB
sunrajah 5 months ago
@sunrajah It was just for kicks man, I just got sick of how many people fight over these two drummers, they're both awesome. Point is, there are many drummers that are better, as far as technique goes.
JapaneseMonsters14 5 months ago
@JapaneseMonsters14 ... many? Bruford is pretty technical...I saw Bruford-Levin Band couple years ago and one part of it was like a drum clinic ... people have a tendency to have to have an argument on relative merits, like my sports teams are better than yours......just a sign of the times & decline of Western Civilization......
sunrajah 5 months ago
@JapaneseMonsters14 Mr. Peart stole most of his triplet fills from Bill Bruford and Phil Collins. I am sure Bruford could play anything Peart ever played on, probably better, but Peart could hardly sit behind most of what Bruford played on. Really no dispute, probably none from Peart either.
Spradlinn 5 months ago
I keep waiting for the band to kick in and for this to turn into 'That, That Is.'
DevSodDribble 6 months ago
Look this is art no matter like or dislike, have the respect and open mind to enjoy it. What I want to know is why no mention of mickey hart and billy k
scarletfire67 6 months ago
They both suck
eheister2006 6 months ago
@eheister2006 No eheister, YOU suck.
Spradlinn 5 months ago
@booger12350- Agreed.He's easily in my top 5 drummers of all time regardless of genre just because of his imagination alone.
klongyaw7 7 months ago
I saw Yes for the first time live in 1972 (the Eagles were the opening act,and the tickets were $5).I did not know Bruford had left,and although I enjoyed the show and have gone on to see them more than 15 times since,I still believe that Bruford is a far better drummer.Different style,I know,and White's drumming on the Relayer album (especially "Sound Chaser") is very good.But Bruford is in a different league in my view.
klongyaw7 7 months ago
@klongyaw7 I agree totally, Bruford enhanced every band he played with. One of the most inovative drummers around, sorry that he retired!
booger12350 7 months ago in playlist Yes Reunion 1991
i need a slayer fix after this yes technical yes intelligent yes its boring, sorry!
trankuser9 8 months ago
@trankuser9 you said slayer , that is what you really have to apologize for!
jsilence418 7 months ago 2
Don't forget, Bruford walked in '73 before their "Close to the Edge" tour, and they found Alan White. He learned the whole album, and all their other stuff. Three days later he embarked on this major tour with them. He's great. Listen to "Sound Chaser".
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TATATA TATATAM TATATA TATATAM TATATA TATATAM TATATA TATATAM TATATA TATATAM TATATA TATATAM TATATA TATATAM...voy bien? Sigo? ABURRIDO ABUBURRIDO BORED BBBORED BORED BBBORED¡ Soy fan de yes y bruford y white pero esto es demasiado pa mi body. I cant get no ......
millonety123 10 months ago
TATATA TATATAM TATATA TATATAM TATATA TATATAM TATATA TATATAM TATATA TATATAM TATATA TATATAM TATATA TATATAM...voy bien? Sigo? ABURRIDO ABUBURRIDO BORED BBBORED BORED BBBORED¡ Soy fan de yes y bruford y white pero esto es demasiado pa mi body. I cant get no ......
millonety123 10 months ago
Oh, I thought it was Meg White...
jonrixbus 10 months ago
this is proto mind drive
pelusaesfeo 10 months ago
they're both really awesome.
MrJesseG123 11 months ago
Unfair comparison. Bruford is playing electronic drums on which you can easily play paradiddle combinations.
scottmagnerod 11 months ago
Ok, since everyone is making comparisons, how about this: could Alan White play in King Crimson? Not would he, could he? How do you think he would fare?
firebelly75 11 months ago
i like to think that brufords playing is airy while white's playing is hairy. haha.
ConspireToConspire 11 months ago
i can do what white does , but bruford is a different animal , believe me he just didnt stick around that long . he's far more superior than alan white .
pokerface1967 1 year ago
@pokerface1967 Yeah true, but you can't do what Alan White does!
MrSteveEllis 11 months ago
Wenn man sich das genau anhört, den Solo-part von Alan, was er da macht, während Bill den snare-part macht, mitzählt........die absolute Härte! das ist ein hochtrainiertes Viech! Wenn ich jetzt an Colaiuta denke........dann trink ich mein Bier aus und geh beruhigt schlafen. Aber das...., sorry, hört da mal genau hin.....leck mich am Arsch!
step2fiedler 1 year ago
Alan White is captain Kirk! You need age to to realize it....
step2fiedler 1 year ago
Alan White is a Great Drummer
Bill Bruford is a unique Master Percussionist
Lightmane321 1 year ago
I'd prefer Simon Phillips over either of these overrhyped self-absorbed goons !
leonakita 1 year ago
@leonakita I wouldn't.
JimSVoit 11 months ago
white got his face rocked off haha, look at his face at the end...
Xenoka911 1 year ago
@Xenoka911 Looks quite comfortable to me...
MrSteveEllis 11 months ago
Mind Drive...
volandinho555 1 year ago
Comparison between the two is like comparing Emerson and Wakeman. Both exceptional artists. I prefer White, he has a funkier kind of groove. Excellent drummers, both.
saarnoldbhm 1 year ago
While Bruford has always been thought of as the more accomplished of the two, and certainly more famously renowned, Alan White is the better drummer for Yes. He gave them that solid rock power that the artsy band had been missing.
rubymickey 1 year ago
When an artist reaches a level of greatness like Bruford, Collins, White, Palmer, etc, etc have done it, comparisons aren't applicable anymore. Dali or Picasso? Mozart or Bethoveen? Cervantes or Hemingway? Silly, right?
vivelavidarocka 1 year ago 3
Anyone know - did they get on?
kettlezone 1 year ago
Proof that jazz-influenced drummers (Bruford) are superior to rock-influenced drummers (White)
XanaduUchiha 1 year ago
@XanaduUchiha Pish!
kettlezone 1 year ago
Collins dreams of being a better drummer than Bill Bruford ! Fact !!!!!!
aks8 1 year ago
Phil Collins and Chester Thompson are much better than this.
trovao1da2alvorada 1 year ago
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Adamboms 1 year ago
@trovao1da2alvorada its apples and oranges, personally i prefer bruford but if you have any musical integrity you cant say one of them is better
Adamboms 1 year ago
@trovao1da2alvorada ABSOLUTELY!!!! If you wana hear a good duet with Bruford, though, check out B'Boom
mucheggz 1 year ago
@trovao1da2alvorada Uh what?
zzzxxyy 1 year ago
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Bill also played with phil collins and chester thompson in trio....... amazing bill...!!!
wibi1960 1 year ago
Bill also played with phil collins and chester thompson in trio....... amazing bill...!!!
wibi1960 1 year ago
One day I'll be able to plays the drums like Bill or Alan. Maybe both. One day....
crc126 1 year ago
I think max Webster plays a great flute here!
nonfoods1 1 year ago
Two awesome drummers,and two of my drumming influences.
blutocampbell 1 year ago
Two excellent drummer..you can't compare them..they are different..just like Trevor Rabin and Steve Howe..two excellent guitarist,but very different.
stevezane 1 year ago
wow, simply amazing!
guidenredhawk 1 year ago
alan white sure knows how to abuse that china
boibad12 1 year ago
I love alan white...but there is only ONE BRUFORD!
harveydents 1 year ago 2
I keep expecting them to start playing "Mind Drive". Killer. I wish I could remember how this drum duel sounded at the Oakland show.
rranswerman 1 year ago
this is proto mind drive!
pelusaesfeo 1 year ago
@pelusaesfeo Actually, it started life in XYZ, the band that Squire and White formed with Plant and Page and sadly never got past the demo stage.
kdaltonbarrett 1 year ago
@kdaltonbarrett Plant bailed of course, like he has on so much other stuff. I'm sure it wasn't his style...he leans towards R&B.
DCussen 1 year ago
You can always tell on a record if bruford is drumming or not when you fell like your wrist is about to snap off when you attempt to play it
1994AlmostSkater 1 year ago
union tour is the nuts
t3hpez 1 year ago
I've been drumming since I was 12 (I'm 38 now). They are two different styles. Yes, of course most people and drummers especially will say Bruford is "better". There is no better here just two different styles and the band changed a bit over the years of course with White too. Bruford is of course a drummer who has God given talent like few others of his genre. Check out his stuff filling for Genesis before Chester. Trick of the Tail tour in 76.
Gossage54 1 year ago
well actually Bruford have a very unique sound and polyrythmic style but when he performed with genesis in the first part of "SECONDS OUT" (because they don't called "a trick of tail tour") he put a diffrent and precise notes for many songs of genesis i love phill collins style but bruford it's clean and precise meanwhile collins is dinamic and explosive i like a lot of the preformance of seconds out with bruford but he waste the last song LOS ENDOS which sound better the duel with chester thom
Satiaraha 1 year ago
fuck bruford is just so fuckin good
pryt86 1 year ago 3
Simmons drums...lol!
JMillerbigass 1 year ago
Two are great, but I prefer Yes music with Bruford. Fragile and CTTE, are in my opinion the best performed records by Yes. A big Yes fan from Santander, Spain.
Yesshows01 1 year ago
I think Bruford has a more recognizable style; you can always tell it's him, but I actually thought White filled the Yes drum chair better than Bruford. Their music just had a more full sound once he joined. I totally diasagree skicot who says White's drumming is boring. I am fortunate enough to play in a band that does about 5 Yes songs and I closely listened to the drum parts of each and White in my opinion plays more from a song writers perspectice and therefore in a sense is more musical.
spercoco 1 year ago
7/8 actually
RickDuracell 1 year ago
A little off topic, but Alan White looks kind of like the psychokiller in Silence of the lambs
williamfeuer 2 years ago 5
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vtripaldi 2 years ago
I feel Bruford is a most creative musician.
I can tell it strongly just by looking that.But I don't think White is amazing drummer at all.His playing is quite boring
syikot 2 years ago 5
@syikot
Because you don't like his style, that's all. Bruford can be f.. boring too.
Are U a musician yourself to judge ?
ericliberge 1 year ago
@syikot disagree...white is an amazing drummer hell look at his work on tales and relayer! But he is no bruford
harveydents 1 year ago 5
@syikot You're opinion is quite boring. Alan White is a legend!
jocovo84 1 year ago 5
Bill is an icon. The best pieces from YES, Genesis and King Crimson is when Bill is on the throne. That's not to take anything away from Alan but if you took a poll of percussionist's... Bruford wins hands-down (No pun intended) and it's not even close. That being said, I can't imagine YES without Alan nor do I wish to.
JT37072 1 month ago
@syikot He's my favorite drummer!
jocovo84 1 year ago
This is drumming at its most excellent.
crawfordfanatic 2 years ago
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Most drum solos are boring as hell, no matter how good the drummer is.
dnardone 2 years ago
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Let's just say it! White KICKS THE SHIT OUT OF BRUFORD
irondaddymac 2 years ago
Two different styles that you can't compare. White (Rock) Bruford (Jazz); they're equally amazing.
yodonvito4 2 years ago 3
Bruford & White are making an improvisation! Don't forget that. All comparisions are bad to be done. Personally, it's an exercise of high difficulty for everyone who is able to take this duel.
A great fan of Yes from Barcelona.
MarcGrauCat 2 years ago 18
@MarcGrauCat I truely doubt this is a real improv, this is obviously blocked out. The fun is listening to 2 different styles. As far as I am concerned Bruford is by far the better but White is no novice. Serious play between 2 professionals.
Malzarin 1 year ago 2
i prefer chester thompson and phil collins' drum duets personally, these dont gel as well.
nintendo64isking 2 years ago
@nintendo64isking AMEN
irondaddymac 2 years ago
thank you for the agreement, i still belive bruford and white are amazing musicians in their own right ,but they just dont produce an interesting piece of music together.
nintendo64isking 2 years ago 3
Bruford was a superior percussionist, and IMO a more versatile musician.
MrPowerring 2 years ago
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@MrPowerring Bruford's not a percussionist at all.. he's a trap set drummer who dabbles in percussion sounds.. his solos are pretty boring for the most part. I'd hire ALan White over Bruford any day. the odd time rhythm thing gets pretty old pretty fast...
irondaddymac 2 years ago
No doubt, Bruford is a great drummer. But so is White. John Lennon and George Harrison thought so, and so did Yes, for he was their first pick as a replacement for Bill when he abandoned the band at the very height of their career!
saarnoldbhm 2 years ago 7
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I wouldn't say he "abandoned" them. He left to play with King Crimson...more experimental...more fun as a drummer. He played on the greatest prog album the world has ever known, then bounced. On to the next.
judiebung 1 year ago 3
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Well... one couldn't say no when summoned by THE CRIMSON KING !
theo9952 6 months ago
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this is a great drum duet... for me to poop on!!!!!
bernyster 2 years ago
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bernyster 2 years ago
I do love Bill so much, but sorry hes so full of himself.....Alan doesnt get the credit he deserves, and at least hes stayed true to YES....
yesfanjim 2 years ago
Bruford's best solos are with King Crimson. White has his place--as a lay it down rock and roll drummer. Bruford can rock just as hard though.
is the PeterMayer below THE PM? From JB's band?
Tubalcainscream 2 years ago
Gotta love Broof. Next to Tony Williams and Jack DeJohnette, he da man. Does anyone here recall the ABWH Bruford/Levin duet at Great Woods '89? That was a lot of fun.
TasiaBrooklyn 2 years ago
Nice drum lesson Bill gave to Alan there. Too bad he didn't really learn a thing and continues to only play variations on the "trash can".
dalecrain 2 years ago
wow so many negative comments I love this duet and technically isn;'t this the first performance of Mind Drive live?
DannyKisawesome 2 years ago 4
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What a waste of Bruford's time; Alan White is the most boring drummer on the planet.
dalecrain 2 years ago
Why, because he does his job and KEEPS THE BEAT? Who do you think is a great drummer or exciting? One who is real busy? This ought to be good...
PeterMayer 2 years ago
bill bruford playing with alan white. that sez something!
collartrance 2 years ago
It gets decent at the end but overall nothing to write home about.
PROTENON 2 years ago
I was at THIS show.
xdhilrdx 2 years ago
Pretty boring shit and I really like both drummers.
osunvid 2 years ago 2
I totally dig Bruford but I was not that impressed with this drum duet (by either of 'em).
crimsonkng 2 years ago
Okay....will someone put the Neil Peart v Anyone who drummed in bands who played complicated music prior to Rush arguement to bed here? Neil Peart LEARNED from these guys, and if you listen to Neil Peart`s drum solo from All the World`s a stage live album from 1976 you basically have that Neil Peart signature drum solo (give or take a few concessions to modernity). Neil Peart is perhaps one of the best ROCK drummers on earth. But please leave invention to the instigators. Either that or LISTEN.
Johnnywr 2 years ago
It`s very reminiscent of that wrestling scene from D.H.Lawrence`s "Women in love"...kinda homo-erotic. Who knew?
Johnnywr 2 years ago
Once again bonebreath, It was NOT me who wrote that. It was the drummer I work with. When you don't know who you are talking to or what you are talking about, don't flap your fish lips unless you are prepared to be schooled.......like now. Holdsworth is gifted and amazing. Besides him, let's see if anyone else holds a candle to who I listen to. Brett Garsed, Tommy Emmanuel, Greg Howe, Guthrie Govan, Gary Wills, David Pastorious, Michael Manring, Virgil Donati, Marco Minneman...get it, shut up
rouschno1 2 years ago
Holds a cradle to who YOU listen to? Who are you, the quintessential expert when it comes to druming? Even your drumming co-worker has his preferences which are OPINIONS. got it?
MikeTWCKF 2 years ago
Yes, I. You have no idea what you are getting yourself into pal. I DO know what I am talking about. I know almost everything, including what a pinhead you are. If I write something, you can bet your bottom dollar it is FACT. Insecure people like yourself have opinions. I have fact and superior knowledge, so shut up, got it?
rouschno1 2 years ago
Yep, you're an idiot. Thanks for confirming what I already knew!
MikeTWCKF 2 years ago
What? Thats it? I've heard better comebacks from a turkey sandwich. Well anyway.............your'e welcome.
rouschno1 2 years ago
I didn't realize it was a competition of comebacks, douche bag.
MikeTWCKF 2 years ago
lighten up dude.
rouschno1 2 years ago
cradle??????????????eat me pal
rouschno1 2 years ago
Shut your face hippie. Someone wrote that using my id. I don't really give two craps about Bruford or any of the other hacks you just mentioned, so take a Xanax and relax, you overly sensative crackhead.
rouschno1 2 years ago
white is good not bill and the best right now is neither its neil peart of rush that guy is just in a class of his own
andypeller97 2 years ago
I guess you weren't paying attnetion back during the "Burning for Buddy" days. Neil got smoked by most of the drummers who played, including Bruford, and admitted to it.
Neil then decided to take drum lessons again from Fred Gruber, an old friend of Buddy Rich.
Everyone is entitled to their opinions, but the evidence speaks for itself.
MikeTWCKF 2 years ago
the snare riff ta-ta-ta/ ta-ta-ta/ ta-ta-ta-ta is the same they will use after for Keys to Ascension (track Mind Drive)
70srules 2 years ago
Always adored BB and still do, but listen to AW on Relayer (if you haven't)- thats some inspired playing.
ritter1808 2 years ago
BRUFORD
monkeypenios 2 years ago
Some of you pubeless ignoramus's that are rubbishing these two, obviously have no idea about detailed, technical drumming. For those that think Alan White has no skills, do yourselves a favour and listen to RIck Wakeman's Album, "Henry VIII and his six wives" White's drumming will blow your 4/4 mind away!
adrummer469 3 years ago 3
Agreed. Two drummers, two completely different styles. I've enjoyed BOTH Bruford and White equally in Yes. White who is a flat-out rock drummer, and Bruford who is more of a jazz oriented drummer.
BTW, if you wanna hear some GREAT Bruford drumming, listen to King Crimson's Live in Asbury Park, NJ. Or anything he did with Genesis live in '76.
SquonkProductions 2 years ago
If you really want to enjoy some Bruford material try listening to his solo stuff like Feels Good to Me or One of a Kind, or U.K's first album
PhillyYesfan 2 years ago
I think the reason that Simmons drums didn't survive was that they didn't make a head that felt like a drum and that turned many drummers off. Geat solo by the way.
wildmanhawkes 3 years ago
This is a great video in that it really hilights the differences in the 2 players styles. White is definately more of a "basher" while Bruford is much more technical. Bill was always the better of the 2 on the Yes recordings.
AllStarBugler 3 years ago
I remember this being painful to watch back then.
um...still painful.
freddryer12 3 years ago
so this looks pro-shot. was this available commercially? is it available anywhere to upload? i saw this show in Mass and thought the "in the round" idea was great. Not too keen on the group as a whole. Saw the ABWH tour too and that rocked!
rayfromtexas 3 years ago
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Much prefer Chester&Phil duet to that piece of tripe. Alan's a fantastic player; underrated. Bruford is overrated. Especially playing odd time; too angular, too predictable. He was clearly out classed by Berlin and Holdsworth on One of a Kind. If I want to hear a failed attempt at a cheap imitation of Tony Williams, I'll go with Bruford whose ego is greater than his abilities. Polyrhthyms? Colaiuta and Williams make Bruford sound like a beginner technically and conceptually.
rouschno1 3 years ago
You've gotta be freakin' kidding me on that one...
SquonkProductions 2 years ago
You really have no idea of what you're talking about. Seriously, no idea at all.
MikeTWCKF 2 years ago
wow, that was great, having both of them on stage together. that would be like wakeman and moraz on stage playing together!
hellmuth26 3 years ago
that's the mind drive melody drums.
Muzzwaldo 3 years ago
why the competition bullshit. the jock mentality does not belong in music!
videokills13 3 years ago 4
People "project" a great deal of non-sense onto other musicians, don't they VideoKills13? Maybe this should be relegated properly to say comic book characters and not real people. It's something I'd expect listening to a 10 year-old, but adults? Apologies all around to the 10 year-olds out there who actually know better.
Algorhythmiq 3 years ago
bruford is the greateste drumer!!!!
lamecasuelas2 3 years ago
from a drummers standpoint, i shamefully have to agree somewhat with some of these anti-white comments. he doesnt seem to be capable of soloing in odd signatures like 7/8. But, to be fair, i think bruford should completely get rid of that electronic pile of crap. for a drummer with his skill he should be playing on an instrument that allows him to play to his potential. the electronic drums have a very undynamic sound. plays some of the effects ring out way too long and sound like crap.
mucheggz 3 years ago
I totally agree with the electronic drum sound!!!......even i sound good on them, when you hit a wrong pad or drum people think it is part of the solo and still think you are brilliant!
ledzeplad 3 years ago
bore-ing!
HEYBUDD 3 years ago
this was a great show all the members of yes brilliant and as i remember it was in the round on a revolving stage
unstabledavid 3 years ago
Agreed. I'd do so far to say that *everybody* who has ever been in Yes stands head and shoulders musically over any of the yobs posting comments here, myself included.
LeoHareMusic 3 years ago
People talking smack about Alan White have no idea what they're talking about. He is a killer drummer---
BB, of course, is the man.
mrbonez 3 years ago 3
You are correct! Alan white is very underated by some yes fans. But he does look like the baddie in the film "the silence of the lambs'".
ledzeplad 3 years ago
Alan may not be as technical a drummer as Bruford, but his sense of groove cannot be dismissed. Alan White is as solid as they come, could tackle Bill's old parts with relative ease, and could also play odd time signatures that swung like crazy ("Machine Messiah" comes to mind).
Bruford liked to play patterns and improvise, and White just liked to lay down solid time, and both drummers were legends in their own right. Two different drummers who handled the drummer role in Yes magnificently.
robste 3 years ago 4
BB?..................oh, ball breath
rouschno1 2 years ago
Thanks for posting this. Not sure why tho people want to "compare" drummers... kinda like "comparing" squire and berlin... why not just enjoy the Apples and Oranges. Those that prefer apples dont have to bash the oranges
jmastanduno 3 years ago
Freakin A
Bufod bindphid
djbladdered 3 years ago
bruford is better but Listening to relayer album while writing it, I have to say that A. white is indeed a good drummer. Peace
Luiz01 3 years ago 4
Steady on boys. Yes, Bill Bruford is clearly the 'better' drummer, a signature even Alan White, I'm sure, wouldn't dispute . . . but White ain't chopped liver. Enjoy this opportunity of seeing them whack the skins together whilst you can!
kw19193 3 years ago
Bill`s tapping out rhythms like a casual joke whilst Alan`s gurning and pulling faces as he strives to compete with one of rock /jazz `s innovators. Gawd bless `em both...they`ve both been through the mill!
Johnnywr 3 years ago
It all adds up to this... Bill is a jazz drummer and Alan is a rock drummer. The jazz drummer will almost always have a broader musical vocabulary, as in this case.
GBJPhotoWorks 3 years ago 5
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alan white is a lazy slouch. Wow, look I'm playing a simple snare pattern in 7! Please Bill, I can't improvise...let's just keep it there....Wowie Zowie! Bill's like....OK Alan, where's my paycheck?
what nonsense...
yeesh
molonpy87 3 years ago
This IS Mind Drive before it turned into Mind Drive...
willhare 3 years ago 2
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it is very plain to see (and hear) that alan white is not nearly the musician that bill bruford is. this is an embarrassment! embarrassing for alan to have to try to play on bill's level and embarrassing for bill to have to play down to alan's level so alan wouldn't look so bad. bill was much more challenged by playing with pat masteloto in the double trio version of king crimson and definitely more challenged by playing with jamier muir on larks' tongues in aspic.
drofrockology 3 years ago
you know what i don't like in alan white? he's so overeacted; bill is doing much better and he looks so relaxed
beatlesdylanyes 3 years ago
Bill did not leave Yes because he "couldn't top CTTE." He's quite clear on this. He left Yes because after CTTE, there was nothing left for him to contribute to the band...and more importantly, nothing left in the band to contribute to him. CTTE was done, and it was time for more promising explorations in the world of percussion: Robert Fripp's King Crimson. As for this duet, having seen the tour, I can honestly say this was the saving grace of what was a load of wanking.
a2mdxx 3 years ago
Holy shit!I would have just about given my left nut to have seen that live! Thank you.
swaggs 3 years ago
to say the truth this is a very simple drum duet just because alan cant understand more intricate patterns , bruford had to do it this way and it shows . bruford is ages a better drummer/musician than alan white . if there is any doubt just grab the UK album , or any king crimson album , plus the best yes albums fragile and close to the edge are with bruford , his departure from the band was felt and wakeman left shortly after that .
ricappon 3 years ago
This beat is very similar the "Mind Drive", love it.
LeoHareMusic 3 years ago
Really takes me back to Wembley when I saw this tour, did it ever make dvd? I have a Japanese import of concert but large parts are missing including the drum duet.
TropicalNight 3 years ago
Two great drummers, two different styles. Bill a little jazz, Alan more rock. Both great contributors to the Yes sound! Thanks for sharing this.
eennymo 3 years ago 2
interstingly enough the drum beat to mind drive is played here
Macgyverman 3 years ago
Sorry but Bill Bruford RUUUUUULES!!!!!!!!
AndresFCR 3 years ago
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Collins and Thompson rule!! Genesis have much better drummers than Yes!
ABittenfeld 3 years ago
Great stylings of both Yes drummers. Both contributed so much and are unique in their approach to Yes. Be glad that this vedeo is available Thank You so much matic3060 for this awesome clip.
poodius7 3 years ago 4
Bruford is so damn funny, content to let alan do the flash while he didles, amazing. I wounder what the conversation between alan and bill was like when the pieced this monstrosity out!
keystop 4 years ago
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Boring.
fetteshice 4 years ago
Go blow a goat
thewake70 3 years ago
nice... never seen this before.
darksideof1 4 years ago
It is interesting that Bill stares at Alan all the time they play. He also did it when Yes Union played in Japan. I watched them and thought Bill looks like Alan's teacher. I understand they should not be compared, but I think Bill is much greater.
mako1208 4 years ago
i'd say they just present two very diffrent styles of drumming. if you study Bill's play through the early Yes era, and his participation in King Crimson, you'll notice he's much more oriented in using cymbals and snare accents, while Alan supports his play rather with extensive use of bass drum (more rocking style). that's what make this video interesting (for drummers, like me), this comparison of two styles.
yrungr 4 years ago
This is great... enjoy it. And ....PPPLLEEEAAASSSEEE!!! DO NOT COMPARE this TWO excellent drummers. I don't think that's the purpouse of matic3060 for posting this.