Dawkins: Lecture 2. Designed and Designoid Objects (1of 6)

[truthseeker010101]

How did all this come from nothing?

Dawkins: We don't know

How did all this come from nothing?

Christain: God created it

Define God?

Christain: We don't know

The answer is that "We don't know" and anyone claiming to know is a liar

[DrMontague]

@truthseeker010101 We don't know how the universe came into being, however there is no reliable evidence that there is a supernatural being behind it all. We can ask logical questions such as why would an intelligent being create the earth that brings forth natural disasters and diseases?

[TearyEyesAnderson]

3:41 I agree with Mr. Dawkins, so many scientist are mystical lately that they usually say things like "If given a infinity amount of time every possible combination of every atom will eventually arrange itself in this way." But they ignore any limits, and have faith that a microscope complete with glass slides, nobs and lenses will make itself, type things.

[Subfightr]

Best series on youtube. Fuck it best series ever! Thanks so much for this. I saw this years ago and it actually changed my life, Evolution suddenly went...CLICK! I get it! It took these videos to push me over the edge. Thank you Dawkins and Thank you Dr Montague!

[jimt765]

Dawkins is a good Showman, by twisting science with lies. Most people have no interest in studying the details of the issue. Instead, they make up their minds based upon a general perception, which comes from third and fourth-hand accounts of summaries of lists of books, and other forms of information filtered through to the public at large. Intelligent design is accepted by those by those that want to believe it. However holding onto a lie with your heart does not make it true.

[DrMontague]

Clinton Richard Dawkins, FRS, FRSL (born 26 March 1941) is a British ethologist, evolutionary biologist and popular science author. He was formerly Professor for the Public Understanding of Science at Oxford and was a fellow of New College, Oxford

jimt765 . You are a fuckwitt.

[jig0ku]

lol u r dumb

[burnhippiesforfuel]

the snake told me he wasn't designed.

[DrMontague]

Satan is liar as he knows that god designed him!

[Bigturns33]

Dawkins is a brillant scientist and even a better man. What a teacher.

[Ramanujan88]

agree, he sure is stimulating and very fun to read, and I learn a lot science. I don't go to far in to the religious aguments. Not because I don't agree with much of his common sense (i do!), but because I'm not all for certainty, or reduction on to one truth or any truth (or untruths). There's so much more to science, God, or whatever! But as you say, yes, great teacher!

[RajahBrooke]

But why believe, or grant credibility to something for which there is no evidence? It is a possible hypothesis that there was some kind of "first mover" (though the question needs always be asked, "who designed the designer?") but the religions of the Earth are quite obviously incorrect. Why need we respect them? Why should we remain silent in the face of people who want to force their beliefs on others?

[IricForset]

If we were designed, why were we designed in such a way that we struggle to cope with our environment? Or that we were designed with faults? Why werent we designed to be utterly flawless and perfect in "god's" image to live on earth? (wait for it, .... a creationist steps in and says "but Adam and Eve") Why was Eve designed to think, designed to have curiosity? For her own benefit and ours surely God should of designed her to be obedient)

[DrMontague]

Don't start the religious cranks off otherwise they eill tell you about a talking snake!

[IricForset]

At least not one with a cleft pallet

[victimlesscriminal]

Thank Zeus for people like Dawkins!

[tinyweldingtorch]

Grr.. stupid youtube.

My previous comment was suppose to be a reply to lordx0r

[Erech01]

i think he looks weird with brown hair and a younger face:/ probably because peopl link age with wisdom,the oldertey look the wiser they can be

[lordx0r]

Complexity is not a goal of design. In fact, the goal of design is simplicity. If a God created biology, organisms would not be any more complex than they need to be, and this is not the case in biology.

[tinyweldingtorch]

Simple and complex are fuzzy.

Organic Chem. may be complex when looked at the molecule. But at a lower scale we see HCON bound together by simple rules.

Dawkins points in one of his talks, our notion of the simple and the complex is one that can be thought of in middle-world. Bricks are thought to be solid because we are big. To the quark they are mostly empty space.

I think the power of the evolution is that there isn't a complex feature that cannot be explained by small changes.

[tkmasala]

lol, he uses rocks vs a telescope. How much more infinitely complex is the human body compared to a telescope? How then can you say that the human body is not designed?

[DrMontague]

tkmasala. You turned up here as well you thick bastard.

[Erech01]

evolution can create an overwhelming illusion of design,

[GBart]

It's called evolution, dumbass, that's the point!

[GBart]

It's called evolution, dumbass, that's the point!

[MrWednesday101]

I always find it funny that people who believe in 'inteligent design' seem to be the least evolved.

[FightTheElite]

Nice Bill Hicks quote.

[MrWednesday101]

Thanks.

[marklethanarkle]

i want to be like dawkins, when i grow up. well, i'm already grown, but i want to be as knowledgeable as he is, at some point in my time.

[Subfightr]

Me too my friend, he is defiantly a hero.

[tacopylas]

What's with all the creationists spontaneously making YouTube accounts soley for the purpose of commenting on atheist/evolutionist videos within days?

[DrMontague]

I/we evolutionists allow e creationists to comment, they don't. They make fake videos, censor comments, and deliberately lie in a futile attempt to further their cause. They should hang their heads in shame.

[majorvoltage]

Very true. And then when people copy the videos onto their own youtube accounts to debunk them, they make fraudulent copyright claims to stop them. (I'm looking at you 'creation science evangelism')

Creationists are a sorry lot indeed.

[DrMontague]

I read something on afterdawndotcom about creationists attempting to have vids removed. Anyone heard of the rational response team? I recommend to all you people concerned with upholding and forwarding reason and science to download all of these Dawkins flivs. You can reupload the directly to Youtube, you do not have to do any converting at all. Unity is strength. I feel sure Dawkins approves of me having uploaded these vids in order to challenge creationist lies.

[Matt7895]

Because creationists know they have no logical arguments or evidence to stand on, they resort to lies and ignorant claims that have already been disproven to try to appear like they are in the right. Another tactic they use is to report videos on evolution to YouTube for breach of copyright, one video being Richard Dawkins' Evolution of the eye, of which Richard Dawkins owns copyright, not the creationists. Uri Gellar is one such idiot who delights in removing rationalist content.

[DrMontague]

Agree. 'Uri Gellar is one such idiot who delights in removing rationalist content'

This is because he has made millions out of easily led people. If the cunt had of been in China they would have shot the lying bastard.

[TomthatiscalledTom]

You should try to locate footage of Geller's 1973 appearance on The Tonight Show with Johnny Carson. Carson, a one-time stage musician thought Geller was either a deluded buffoon or a major conman so he preselected the cutlery young Uri was supposed to warp. For some weird reason, his psychic energies wouldn't work. But viwers sure got some funny tv....

[rhomea77]

i love these series thanks so much for posting them.

[Eyedunno]

Squeeze rules. I wonder if he/she is still alive. :P

[DrMontague]

Living things Dawkins argues might look as if someone has designed them because they are complex network of parts. But they are in fact a product of evolution. Dawkins argues that before Darwinian evolution came into being we believed all living thing were created by god.

[beervolcano]

Also the geode bowl WAS designed. Geodes are spherical. You have to cut it to get a hemisphere, just like you have to chip away at flint to get an arrowhead. Jeez.

[DrMontague]

Have you watched the whole video. I don't think your grasping Dawkins's argument. A microscope needs a designer i.e. mankind. Other natural (non living)objects sometimes resemble man made objects e.g. 'the boot' but they don't have a designer.

[beervolcano]

Dude, to get a bowl from a geode, you have to use design. You have to "carve" it into a bowl.

[tacopylas]

"Dude", do you have any idea how a geode is made? Were you listening? It's a natural process. What, you think that there was just solid crystal inside and someone literally took a pick to it and carved it out? Because that's that what you seem to be implying, and if it is... Jesus Christ monkey balls, you're a fucktard.

[beervolcano]

If you take some matter and energy and give it 13-15 billion years you MOST CERTAINLY get a microscope. How else did the microscope get there?

[oliesbw]

web site is great thank you for putting that up.. really appreciate it

[everyspecies]

Dr Montague. Thankyou for making these videos available, ive been wanting to rewatch these for a long time.

[DrMontague]

interesting point. Going out for a couple of pints. Let me think on it:)

[theinquisitor]

I just thought, is a bird's nest a designed object or a designoid object? It could be considered designed since the bird created it, but the design comes from instinct not intelligence and so I think that makes it designoid. If so where do you draw the line when you see an ape using a rock as a tool?

[everyspecies]

inquisitor. i'd say the nest was designoid, an extension of its genotype as they say. The rock isnt designed in this point, but being used. This isnt instinct, an ape that uses a rock learns to do it.

[everyspecies]

inquisitor. I suppose the ape in question shows 'designed' behaviour towards the rock, the direction of force applied to it akin to the direction of force a potter applies with the fingers to clay (the apes skill rather crude by comparison but i feel its equivalent)

[everyspecies]

whoops, sorry inquisitor. I'm quite sure you werent comparing the rock to a nest but the crushed nut would have been equivalent to the nest, ie the outcome of the behaviour instinctive or otherwise.

[theinquisitor]

Yeah I suppose although the rock isn't designed, the use of it as a tool was a designed strategy. I suspect that the early homonids use of tools may have arisen by natural selection as an instinct, but perhaps later was developed after more intelligent homonids evolved. The early homonids had stone tools for a million years before one was clever enough to attach it to a stick and make an axe.

[richardcadbury]

You should read The Extended Phenotype by Dawkins. Explores this kind of stuff.

[Davethesilentone]

yay new dawkins lecture

[KingCobbones]

Thanks for posting this. I'm eagerly awaiting parts 2 through 7.

[DrMontague]

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