klm541 You are correct. This thing is so big and very real. I urge all of you reading this to google trilateral commission and see for yourselves. Seems Ron Paul and John Edwards are two of very few running for Pres. who are not members of this evil empire. Even Lynne Cheney, as well as her husband are. Newt Gingrich, Colin Powell... This thing crosses all party lines.
Val send Joe out to the market, on a regular basis, to pick up her feminine hygiene products. Sometimes Joe forgets to take off his apron before he departs.
500 Billion will buy 4,120,000 NEW HOUSE'S (not some crappy apt, but a house with a lawn and little white fucking fence), finance (with great ease), the conversion to hydrogen powered fuel systems for vehicles. Added to education grants and funds will pay for ALL students to go to college. Get the point?
Half a TRILLION dollars. if only that money was spent on humanitarian work rather than killing people based on a stupid ideology we would be living a much better world today.
Over 4000 troops killed in Iraq. Thats nothing 7800 were killed during Clintons 2 terms in office with no war going on. HOW ABOUT THAT MR. WISON? By the way hows your wife she still work for the agency? You used to brag about it remember/???
what is your problem micsc50 Your figures are totally bogus. Something you neocons are good at. many military die in non combat years. Causes, suicide, accidents, homicides, botched surgeries. For anyone to equate deaths in the Clinton years to that of Iraq is at the very least shameful and the very worst a criminal conspirator. Clinton did not start an illegal war and you know it.
Those numbers are correct and Cinton was a shameful president. He didn't even need a war to kill off 7800 military personel. If this war is illegal why did your friends in the democrat party vote for it? And don't give me that Bush lied shit. And why hasn't Bush been impeached? Ans= It was not an illegal war and Bush did not lie.
micsc50 Once again, those figures are bullshit. What was Clinton so shameful about, because he was not a neocon? Or maybe because he got a blow job in the white house??? How simple minded can you be? as I said, all the facts were NOT provided to congress nor the American people. And that is factual. And BTW, Bush did lie whether you want to read this or not!!! Hey pal, you are in major denial! Go watch some of the Bush videos on here and then tell me he doesn't lie.
Cinton cared more about his poll numbers than he did this country. And a person is lying only when they know what they are saying is not a fact. Bush was going by intell. reports and not just from our own CIA but British also. Therefor he was not lying. Admit it, you just hate Bush. If he were a democrat you would sing a different tune. You are spewing democRAT talking points. Most of the country see right threw this bull shit.
micsc50 I didn't vote for Clinton so your argument is shot down, like your sorry ass. Yes, I HATE Bush, I do not have one bit of trouble admitting that! Right, I notice how the country sees through my talking points, they ousted most neocons in November. And BTW Bush cared more about his votes than the country. He stole Florida! You are correct though, Bush doesn't know he is lying. Good point! He is such a moron that he has no clue what the hell is going on.
The vitriol and hatred directed at Bush by you left wing looney moonbats has gone beyond absurd to pure lunacy. We now have a congress with an approval rating that is so low its almost in the negative catagory. This bull shit is going to cost the democRAT party in 08. Remember when you thought Kerry had it in the bag.
Golly gee micsc50 What a shame all the hatred aimed at poor Dubya. You want to talk lunacy? You neocons can't see dishonesty if it hit you in the ass. He LIED about a war you blind fool. He has added much more fuel onto the terrorist threat. Do I remember when I thought Kerry would win?? Hmmmm gosh are you doing my thinking for me now? You, like that other self rightous extremist patsagainstamericans who attempts to second guess people in this forum. Continued
continued... micsc50 The answer is no I didn't think he'd win after all the BS like his war record you publican'ts lied about and anything else you could muster up. Yes, I was disgusted with the Democrats for not having the stomach to fight your evil bunch. You can take Cheney, Rums, Bush, Rove and take a long walk on a short pier. And maybe end the trampling over our precious constitution, invading countries and maintaining the most secretive government in U.S. history.
It's no wonder the CIA dropped the ball on 9/11 and WMD's, it's been infiltrated by leaky liberal partisans like the opportunistic Plame. Mr. Mom didn't even get paid for trip to Niger. Sounds to me like he and Plame had an agenda in mind before he even boarded the plane.
yeah right LOL LOL patsagainstrats. Typical neocon blaming someone else for the administrations blunders. You my friend are to blame, you are your type, for this mess! You voted for this brainless wonder. You'd believe him if he told you we had to go attack Sweden just because.
At least Bush has a better approval rating than the do-nothing, Dem-led Congress. I thought they were supposed to end the war for you? How does it feel to be tricked out of your vote?
Political facts 101: Presidents almost always have better apr ratings than Congress. Look it up. Is that the best you can do?
Besides, the 109th congress (the last one, republican) had more time off than any session since 1952 (the ORIGINAL do nothing congress, coined by Truman.)
Well, to use your logic, presidential approval ratings generally drop significantly in their second term. This is a 'real' historical trend. As for Clinton's second term rating, I'm sure Bush would rather relish his own meager rating, than to be impeached and disgraced like Bill.
oh and how I wish the impeachment process would begin for Bush and Cheney. Hello, guess what, Bush has already disgraced himself by the scandels, illegal activities of his administration, and blundering his illegal war. Historians have already tagged him as the worst president in our history, not to mention dumbest. I hope he goes to fu--ing jail! Clinton got a blow job and Ken Starr jumped all over that, costing the tax payers millions for nothing! Your people all deserve to be in jail!
Shit or get off the pot. There's ZERO proof of ANY illegal behavior. And if there was, the Dems would be too cowardly to do anything about it. They won't impeach, censure or defund the war, All they do is talk bullshit. This is why their approval rating sits at an historic low.
patsagainstrats Wait until Sept.! My gawd did you pee your pants laughing? Those stats are totally inaccurate, bet they came from FAUX news!! Let's talk about your boy Bush, how does it feel to have been lied to and deceived? How does it feel to be in an illegal war, and how does it feel to be so hated by the rest of the world, with huge increase in terrorist risk here all by your disgusting moron of a president? Bet you also think we are in Iraq to get the terrorists. LOL
Oh come on...patsagainstrats you are really making yourself look even dumber. In Sept. comes the big report from the Generals regarding the status of the surge, which congress gave the administration that time limit as far as any more funding. What is with some rally? Geeeez! You are really up on things I see. Also if you think the American people are through with all the illegal crap pulled by this administration then you live in fantasyland!
I'm fully aware the Petraeus report is coming out in September. Perhaps you should have clarified what you were alluding to. I normally just assume you moonbats are referring to some obscure, seditious activity. The report will only confirm what we already know to be true; the surge is working.
This year's U.S. troop buildup has succeeded in bringing violence in Baghdad down from peak levels, but the death toll from sectarian attacks around the country is running nearly double the pace from a year ago.
Well, using the current US casualty rate as a template, that would mean we'd remain in Iraq for fifty-five years. I really don't thind we plan on staying for a half a century.
BTW, the Lancet study, which you're quoting for the Iraqi death toll, has been discredited. You're going to have to find your propaganda elsewhere.
patsagainstrats re you saying I should have alluded to Petraeus report in Sept. Geeeez I figured with your touted political savvy you would have known what I meant instead of you bringing up some rally that I never heard of. The coming report will be the highlight in Sept concerning the war. That is the problem with you neocons, you assume too much and do not think and research.
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Joe Wilson could not tell the truth with a gun to his head. He is a politician, and does not know how to spell "truth", it is not in his vocalbuary, to top it off, he is a liberal democrat, and everyone knows they are all bullshit artists.
s9; "A bit shallow" "blaming the victim appeals to me" What part of my message did you not understand? How is this for deep, you are either dumb beyond belief or a complete asshole.
gemini67 Hmmmm interesting accusation about Joe Wilsons honesty since the most deceitful, dishonest, criminal sits in the white House, along with all his best criminal minds all around him. And you have the gall to call liberal democrats bullshit artists. Go take a pill, I think you missed it today.
JerkerSM; Wrong,I did not miss my pill, and I am glad you find my accusation interesting, you, like the rest of the dems, seem to think that if you point to someone you deem dishonest, whithout proof, that clears other people who are dishonest and liars, therefore according to your thinking, if someone commits a crime we have to set one criminal free before we can imprison another, and like your analogy, you are idiotic.
Hahaha I'm the idiot?? gemini067 Surely you are kidding about doubting the pure corruption in your administration. Either that or you're blind, deaf, or just plain stupid. To start with he LIED about the war, and quit the BS about misinformation. continued..
cb9; "General Hayden", "you tube" "not a complaint from the republicans", this is the basis of you statement? You are not only full of shit but not too bright either. Think for yourself, the CIA can not tell the truth on any subject, and videos and comments on you tube, come on you can do better.
cb9; Like anything else the people who put the videos on UT show you exactly what they want you to see. When you want a piece of the truth, ask for a copy of the minutes of the meeting in question, and even then you must question the interagators motives, nothing in politics is black and white, beside I didn,t call you a name, I said you were full of shit, and I was right.
continued gemini067 He knew exactly what he was doing and spoke of it in 1999 while he was still governor to his ex ghost writer Mickey Herskowitz and also Patrick O'Neill, his former Treas. Sec. who he talked about going into Iraq 10 days after his inauguration, also to Bob Woodward. But hey everyone is wrong out here except you and the blundering chief executive.
Jerk: For once you are right, I do see things, although not the same ones as you, but not to worry they say ignorance is bliss, and now I know why you are so gay, pardon the pun.
gemini067 Lies are lies. How can lying point blank be taken out of context? On one of the videos he lied about watching the first plane go into the WTC. He claimed he watched the first plane go into the building on TV. Truth was the first plane video was not available until the next day. With the second one he was sitting in a class with kids when the secret service came in to tell him we were under attack. Some things just can't be refuted. Check out more of the videos for yourself.
Jerker; The video of the first plane was on TV the day it happened, all day, except where you live, so in a way you are right, but wrong about the prez. I guess you have TV reception in your country by now, if not don't worry about it, the cartoons are above your head.
gemininuts067 NO, it was not on tv the day it happened, only the second plane. The proof is right in front of you and still you deny it. The footage was taken by a French Documentary group and it did not surface until Sept. 12. So you tell me how Bush could have seen the first one crash on TV at the school where he was waiting outside. The same one where he was reading to kids when #2 hit. Impossible! Watch the video then answer. It is Bush saying it to a group.
Geminuts067 Ohhhhh so you saw videos of the first plane crashing into the WTC on Sept. 11? My my I want your tv because it is showing stuff no other tv could possibly show. And pssssst I'm in the same country you are, assuming you are in the U.S. Did you forget your pill again?
Jerk: You must stop watching the cartoons,especially if you want to keep up with the news, you wont find ALL the news on NPR or Kieth Oldman, I do not know if you will be able to understand it, by try FOX.
geminuts067 Isnt jerk a name that refers to men? I am not! Who said I find all the news on NPR or Oldermann? And you recommend FOX aka FAUX?? Now that is really funny! You are hearing only conservative views on FAUX. They only hire Right wing moderators. Check it out on Google. Does that tell you anything about their bias's? You are only showing your lack of openness to research, reading, and listening to views other than the neocon view point.
jerk;There is no gender implied, I have known a few women who were real jerkers, but all that is meaningless, most women and a lot of men only know what is on TV, and like the papers, biased, they are edited and tell only what they wish you to believe, the media have no standards. I believe Joe Wilson is a liar, he is a political hack who has no morals and is looking for a position in the next democrat administration, he did the same thing in the last election.
geminuts If your name to me is meaningless then why do it? Wilson did not lie. There is nothing that says he did. Again, where the hell are you getting your information? TV, papers, media? Mine doesn't come from any of those sources as you imply. How is it that you accuse him of lying but refuse to see it in Bush, Cheney, Condi, Rumsfeld, Rove?
jerk;When Wilson returned from Africa he wrote a memo stating that the iraqi's had talked to the africans, it was in the news before the last prez election, and I know you saw it too. You say I refuse to see the lies, and name only republicans, is it possible that you are guilty also of being blind to what you accuse me of.
geminuts067 Where are earth are you getting your info? Joe Wilson NEVER wrote that memo. A writer from The Weekly Standard wrote an inaccurate, and incomplete story that has been rebuked. The facts show there were forged documents/memos most likely by an administration that was desparate to not be found out in this thing. continued..
jerk; I suspected and now I am sure, you are JOE WILSON,"forged documents","desparate administration","worms", "BS swarms" you are one really sick individual, I find it hard to believe that you are this serious about something you have no control over. Look hillary or whoever wins may give joe back his job, but don't bet on it, they don't like anyone who twists the truth more than themselves. Enjoy the holiday.
geminuts067 You neocons are so good at the condescending BS. You call facts sick, no it is you who is sick! Sick with blind loyalty. Joe Wilson NEVER lied, fact!!! And again, there were proven forged documents and not by him, regarding his trip to Niger. What the hell kind of research are you doing?? Rightwingdotcom or something? I suggest you go into some independant sources, that is if you really want the facts. But you aren't interested in facts quite obviously.
jerk; "Joe Wilson never lied" do you honestly believe that, even joe wilson wouldn't believe it, and where do you get this "forged documents" if you can not disregard it then it was forged? I don,t know why I bother, it seems you do not read anything I write, I go one way and you come back with something irrelevant. believe what you wish.
Geminuts67 I suggest you to go into Joe Wilsons website and possibly read his side, or do you want to know? Bet not! As I have said to you before, it amazes me that you choose to call him a liar and believe an administration that is crawling with corruptness, and liars who have deceived the American people.
jerk; I did not say I believed "an administation that is crawling with corruptness", I said I do not believe joe wilson, you seem to think he is the bible, he is a democrat,and worst of all a politician which automatically makes him a LIAR.
geminuts You neocons are nothing but attack dogs and unrelentless with your continual badgering. I think YOU misunderstand. Again, I do not think Joe Wilson is the bible, and he DID NOT lie about his trip to Niger. Whisper campaigns started with the administration to discredit him. Fact! Why ask me anything? If you have found nothing re forged documents/memos? do some more homework! If I annoy you, which is obvious, please do not direct any further messages to me. Simple!!
geminuts Wilson, also did not claim Cheney sent him to Niger as is accused. His wife Plame did not send him there, instead it was CIA Direct. of Operations. The desparate will do anything to worm out of their hole, and sadly you people do not go any further with it than that. Only stopping where the BS swarms.
Attacking the person, not addressing the issue. It's not like the President, Rummy, or Rush have any horse in this race that would "influence" their words, right? How can a townhal meeting be a bad idea?
Yes, you are entirely correct.
Wrong Joe Wilson.
THIS is the good one, not the numbnut from South Carolina.
My BAD.
Sorry.
Jubb3500 2 years ago
What a dumb white f*&k.
Rude, classless, wrong.
And a liar too.
Like all of his fat assed fellow Rethuglicans.
Look how twitchy they all looked. Lot's of gas and hot air all pented up.
Tools of Big Insurance and religious idiots.
South Carolina, Republicans are making you'all look kind 'o dumb.
Get rid of this ignorant douche bag now.
Jubb3500 2 years ago
That's the wrong Joe Wilson.
Notice that all the comments are at least a year old.
motelcalifornia 2 years ago
ASS!!
bladenukem 2 years ago
joe wilson lol
sut3fan 4 years ago
klm541 You are correct. This thing is so big and very real. I urge all of you reading this to google trilateral commission and see for yourselves. Seems Ron Paul and John Edwards are two of very few running for Pres. who are not members of this evil empire. Even Lynne Cheney, as well as her husband are. Newt Gingrich, Colin Powell... This thing crosses all party lines.
JakiiRSM 4 years ago
Read what the brave soldiers of the 82nd Airborne have to say about the war in an op-ed:
nytimes(dot)com/2007/08/19/opinion/19jayamaha.html?_r=1&pagewanted=all
vrede420 4 years ago
Val send Joe out to the market, on a regular basis, to pick up her feminine hygiene products. Sometimes Joe forgets to take off his apron before he departs.
patsagainstrats 4 years ago
Wow. At least *try* to be funny, since the facts are ALL against you.
Besides, Wilson was a Bush appointee, more of a man than you'll ever be:
"Wilson was posted to African nations and Iraq during the George H. W. Bush administration."
conservobot999 4 years ago
The how come his sent him on an unpaid, busy-work trip to Niger? I bet she just wanted to get him out of the house, the bitter old liberal.
patsagainstrats 4 years ago
patsagainstrats What the hell does that have to do with this topic?? Those kind of comments are childish and shows your lack of depth on the subject.
JakiiRSM 4 years ago
Must have hit a nerve. You must be a house-husband too.
patsagainstrats 4 years ago
patsagainstrats If you are referring to me, pin head, I am femme!
JakiiRSM 4 years ago
Sorry, I don't consider chicks-with-dicks female. You just keep telling yourself you're packing an enlarged clitoris, though.
ROTFLMFAO!!!
patsagainstrats 4 years ago
Hey ROTFLMFAO aka giggles patsagainstrats You are a PIG!
JakiiRSM 4 years ago
500 Billion will buy 4,120,000 NEW HOUSE'S (not some crappy apt, but a house with a lawn and little white fucking fence), finance (with great ease), the conversion to hydrogen powered fuel systems for vehicles. Added to education grants and funds will pay for ALL students to go to college. Get the point?
putittogether 4 years ago
Half a TRILLION dollars. if only that money was spent on humanitarian work rather than killing people based on a stupid ideology we would be living a much better world today.
natural 4 years ago
btw: Plame was COVERT, according to public, written tesimony from the Director of CIA, General Hayden:
search youtube for: Plame Wilson's Covert Status
about 1:50 into the testimony, with nary a complaint from republicans!
conservobot999 4 years ago
Communist trader whose wife sleeps with the enemy!
qwibly 4 years ago
Anyone who buys from WalMart is a "Communist trader" (all that crap comes from China.)
Did you mean traitor?
conservobot999 4 years ago
Hey Joe, shut up, you are a has been.
Maxwedge12000 4 years ago
Over 4000 troops killed in Iraq. Thats nothing 7800 were killed during Clintons 2 terms in office with no war going on. HOW ABOUT THAT MR. WISON? By the way hows your wife she still work for the agency? You used to brag about it remember/???
micsc50 4 years ago
what is your problem micsc50 Your figures are totally bogus. Something you neocons are good at. many military die in non combat years. Causes, suicide, accidents, homicides, botched surgeries. For anyone to equate deaths in the Clinton years to that of Iraq is at the very least shameful and the very worst a criminal conspirator. Clinton did not start an illegal war and you know it.
JakiiRSM 4 years ago
Those numbers are correct and Cinton was a shameful president. He didn't even need a war to kill off 7800 military personel. If this war is illegal why did your friends in the democrat party vote for it? And don't give me that Bush lied shit. And why hasn't Bush been impeached? Ans= It was not an illegal war and Bush did not lie.
micsc50 4 years ago
micsc50 Once again, those figures are bullshit. What was Clinton so shameful about, because he was not a neocon? Or maybe because he got a blow job in the white house??? How simple minded can you be? as I said, all the facts were NOT provided to congress nor the American people. And that is factual. And BTW, Bush did lie whether you want to read this or not!!! Hey pal, you are in major denial! Go watch some of the Bush videos on here and then tell me he doesn't lie.
JakiiRSM 4 years ago
Cinton cared more about his poll numbers than he did this country. And a person is lying only when they know what they are saying is not a fact. Bush was going by intell. reports and not just from our own CIA but British also. Therefor he was not lying. Admit it, you just hate Bush. If he were a democrat you would sing a different tune. You are spewing democRAT talking points. Most of the country see right threw this bull shit.
micsc50 4 years ago
micsc50 I didn't vote for Clinton so your argument is shot down, like your sorry ass. Yes, I HATE Bush, I do not have one bit of trouble admitting that! Right, I notice how the country sees through my talking points, they ousted most neocons in November. And BTW Bush cared more about his votes than the country. He stole Florida! You are correct though, Bush doesn't know he is lying. Good point! He is such a moron that he has no clue what the hell is going on.
JakiiRSM 4 years ago
The vitriol and hatred directed at Bush by you left wing looney moonbats has gone beyond absurd to pure lunacy. We now have a congress with an approval rating that is so low its almost in the negative catagory. This bull shit is going to cost the democRAT party in 08. Remember when you thought Kerry had it in the bag.
micsc50 4 years ago
Golly gee micsc50 What a shame all the hatred aimed at poor Dubya. You want to talk lunacy? You neocons can't see dishonesty if it hit you in the ass. He LIED about a war you blind fool. He has added much more fuel onto the terrorist threat. Do I remember when I thought Kerry would win?? Hmmmm gosh are you doing my thinking for me now? You, like that other self rightous extremist patsagainstamericans who attempts to second guess people in this forum. Continued
JakiiRSM 4 years ago
continued... micsc50 The answer is no I didn't think he'd win after all the BS like his war record you publican'ts lied about and anything else you could muster up. Yes, I was disgusted with the Democrats for not having the stomach to fight your evil bunch. You can take Cheney, Rums, Bush, Rove and take a long walk on a short pier. And maybe end the trampling over our precious constitution, invading countries and maintaining the most secretive government in U.S. history.
JakiiRSM 4 years ago
It's no wonder the CIA dropped the ball on 9/11 and WMD's, it's been infiltrated by leaky liberal partisans like the opportunistic Plame. Mr. Mom didn't even get paid for trip to Niger. Sounds to me like he and Plame had an agenda in mind before he even boarded the plane.
patsagainstrats 4 years ago
yeah right LOL LOL patsagainstrats. Typical neocon blaming someone else for the administrations blunders. You my friend are to blame, you are your type, for this mess! You voted for this brainless wonder. You'd believe him if he told you we had to go attack Sweden just because.
JakiiRSM 4 years ago
At least Bush has a better approval rating than the do-nothing, Dem-led Congress. I thought they were supposed to end the war for you? How does it feel to be tricked out of your vote?
ROTFLMFAO!!!
patsagainstrats 4 years ago
Political facts 101: Presidents almost always have better apr ratings than Congress. Look it up. Is that the best you can do?
Besides, the 109th congress (the last one, republican) had more time off than any session since 1952 (the ORIGINAL do nothing congress, coined by Truman.)
conservobot999 4 years ago
The proof's in the pudding, libtard. These are historical lows, not historical trends. No one is buying your excuses. LMFAO!
patsagainstrats 4 years ago
More names? You are desperate!! God bless REAL conservatives, tho we all know where crazy neocons are going...
So how does Dubya's approval ratings stack up against other presidents?
Is he still above Nixon? Not sure, but certainly not for long!
conservobot999 4 years ago
Well, to use your logic, presidential approval ratings generally drop significantly in their second term. This is a 'real' historical trend. As for Clinton's second term rating, I'm sure Bush would rather relish his own meager rating, than to be impeached and disgraced like Bill.
patsagainstrats 4 years ago
oh and how I wish the impeachment process would begin for Bush and Cheney. Hello, guess what, Bush has already disgraced himself by the scandels, illegal activities of his administration, and blundering his illegal war. Historians have already tagged him as the worst president in our history, not to mention dumbest. I hope he goes to fu--ing jail! Clinton got a blow job and Ken Starr jumped all over that, costing the tax payers millions for nothing! Your people all deserve to be in jail!
JakiiRSM 4 years ago
Shit or get off the pot. There's ZERO proof of ANY illegal behavior. And if there was, the Dems would be too cowardly to do anything about it. They won't impeach, censure or defund the war, All they do is talk bullshit. This is why their approval rating sits at an historic low.
patsagainstrats 4 years ago
Fact: Clinton had a 65% apr rating at the end of his 2nd term, Reagan 64% JFK 63% GB41 56%
Again, real conservatives speak facts, not your neocon trash.
Dubya will be lucky to see 35 again, and if there's another attack on his watch, it'll sink to <10%. We need someone to defend this great country.
conservobot999 4 years ago
How 'bout Democrat Truman?
patsagainstrats 4 years ago
patsagainstatus Why don't you keep your eye on the ball, Bush and stop bringing up everyone else? Good try! Bush is a true FU so face it!
JakiiRSM 4 years ago
You must be one of those 14 percenters.
patsagainstrats 4 years ago
patsagainstrats Wait until Sept.! My gawd did you pee your pants laughing? Those stats are totally inaccurate, bet they came from FAUX news!! Let's talk about your boy Bush, how does it feel to have been lied to and deceived? How does it feel to be in an illegal war, and how does it feel to be so hated by the rest of the world, with huge increase in terrorist risk here all by your disgusting moron of a president? Bet you also think we are in Iraq to get the terrorists. LOL
JakiiRSM 4 years ago
You're Sept anti-war rally will be a huge failure, just as the Aug 21, impeachment hoax.
patsagainstrats 4 years ago
Oh come on...patsagainstrats you are really making yourself look even dumber. In Sept. comes the big report from the Generals regarding the status of the surge, which congress gave the administration that time limit as far as any more funding. What is with some rally? Geeeez! You are really up on things I see. Also if you think the American people are through with all the illegal crap pulled by this administration then you live in fantasyland!
JakiiRSM 4 years ago
I'm fully aware the Petraeus report is coming out in September. Perhaps you should have clarified what you were alluding to. I normally just assume you moonbats are referring to some obscure, seditious activity. The report will only confirm what we already know to be true; the surge is working.
patsagainstrats 4 years ago
The escalation of the occupation is working? Wow, yer willing to hold on to any last straw!
What is your definition of 'winning'? Getting 55,000 brave Americans killed? Installation of another dictator?
Isn't a million dead Iraqi's enough for you?
conservobot999 4 years ago
And more from the AP:
This year's U.S. troop buildup has succeeded in bringing violence in Baghdad down from peak levels, but the death toll from sectarian attacks around the country is running nearly double the pace from a year ago.
conservobot999 4 years ago
Well, using the current US casualty rate as a template, that would mean we'd remain in Iraq for fifty-five years. I really don't thind we plan on staying for a half a century.
BTW, the Lancet study, which you're quoting for the Iraqi death toll, has been discredited. You're going to have to find your propaganda elsewhere.
patsagainstrats 4 years ago
Deny, deny, deny: oh lord, DO TELL why one of the world's most respected publications isn't good enough for you!
So how many Iraqi's do YOU want to admit having been killed by this occupation?
Sure has lowered the price of oil, though...
conservobot999 4 years ago
The methodology used by the researchers has been exposed as faulty, and they refuse to release their raw data for analysis.
The true number is in the area of 100K. Bear in mind, most of those deaths have been due to Iraqi on Iraqi violence.
patsagainstrats 4 years ago
patsagainstrats re you saying I should have alluded to Petraeus report in Sept. Geeeez I figured with your touted political savvy you would have known what I meant instead of you bringing up some rally that I never heard of. The coming report will be the highlight in Sept concerning the war. That is the problem with you neocons, you assume too much and do not think and research.
JakiiRSM 4 years ago
This comment has received too many negative votes show
Joe Wilson could not tell the truth with a gun to his head. He is a politician, and does not know how to spell "truth", it is not in his vocalbuary, to top it off, he is a liberal democrat, and everyone knows they are all bullshit artists.
gemini067 4 years ago
A bit shallow on your part. What about blaming the victim appeals to you? What part of being lied to by your government do you consider honorable?
shaire99 4 years ago
s9; "A bit shallow" "blaming the victim appeals to me" What part of my message did you not understand? How is this for deep, you are either dumb beyond belief or a complete asshole.
gemini067 4 years ago
gemini67 Hmmmm interesting accusation about Joe Wilsons honesty since the most deceitful, dishonest, criminal sits in the white House, along with all his best criminal minds all around him. And you have the gall to call liberal democrats bullshit artists. Go take a pill, I think you missed it today.
JakiiRSM 4 years ago
JerkerSM; Wrong,I did not miss my pill, and I am glad you find my accusation interesting, you, like the rest of the dems, seem to think that if you point to someone you deem dishonest, whithout proof, that clears other people who are dishonest and liars, therefore according to your thinking, if someone commits a crime we have to set one criminal free before we can imprison another, and like your analogy, you are idiotic.
gemini067 4 years ago
Hahaha I'm the idiot?? gemini067 Surely you are kidding about doubting the pure corruption in your administration. Either that or you're blind, deaf, or just plain stupid. To start with he LIED about the war, and quit the BS about misinformation. continued..
JakiiRSM 4 years ago
" to a CIA paper-pusher,"
Except that's not true, acording to testimony presented in open session from the DIRECTOR OF CENTRAL INTELLIGENCE that she WAS covert.
And he was an ambassador appointed by GW41... what does that make you?
conservobot999 4 years ago 3
cb9; you made three statements and three lies, what does that make you, full of shit, I say.
gemini067 4 years ago
Plame was COVERT, according to public, written tesimony from the Director of CIA, General Hayden:
search youtube for: Plame Wilson's Covert Status
about 1:50 min into the testimony, with not a complaint from republicans!
Where's your facts?
conservobot999 4 years ago
cb9; "General Hayden", "you tube" "not a complaint from the republicans", this is the basis of you statement? You are not only full of shit but not too bright either. Think for yourself, the CIA can not tell the truth on any subject, and videos and comments on you tube, come on you can do better.
gemini067 4 years ago
So Gemini can't even look at facts (congressional testimony shown on youtube) but instead defaults to conspiracy theories and name calling!
YOU need to think for yourself - it's a new day, conservatives have to be FACT based, to PROVE our point.
Namecalling isn't a valid argument. Where is you proof?
conservobot999 4 years ago
Besides, Gemini was too afraid to watvh the testimony, too afraid to see facts interfere with his namecalling view.
Did ya even watch the whole thing? You too lazy to watch 4 minutes? Even the republicans didn't deny it! But you *know* better? Laughable!
conservobot999 4 years ago
cb9; Like anything else the people who put the videos on UT show you exactly what they want you to see. When you want a piece of the truth, ask for a copy of the minutes of the meeting in question, and even then you must question the interagators motives, nothing in politics is black and white, beside I didn,t call you a name, I said you were full of shit, and I was right.
gemini067 4 years ago
continued gemini067 He knew exactly what he was doing and spoke of it in 1999 while he was still governor to his ex ghost writer Mickey Herskowitz and also Patrick O'Neill, his former Treas. Sec. who he talked about going into Iraq 10 days after his inauguration, also to Bob Woodward. But hey everyone is wrong out here except you and the blundering chief executive.
JakiiRSM 4 years ago
Jerk: I knew that eventually, if I tried hard enough, you would see the light, I am right and everyone, especially liberals like you, are wrong.
gemini067 4 years ago
hahahaha geminuts067 I think you are seeing things or it is wishful thinking. Try a little research you may just learn a few things.
JakiiRSM 4 years ago
Jerk: For once you are right, I do see things, although not the same ones as you, but not to worry they say ignorance is bliss, and now I know why you are so gay, pardon the pun.
gemini067 4 years ago
gemini067 Lies are lies. How can lying point blank be taken out of context? On one of the videos he lied about watching the first plane go into the WTC. He claimed he watched the first plane go into the building on TV. Truth was the first plane video was not available until the next day. With the second one he was sitting in a class with kids when the secret service came in to tell him we were under attack. Some things just can't be refuted. Check out more of the videos for yourself.
JakiiRSM 4 years ago
Jerker; The video of the first plane was on TV the day it happened, all day, except where you live, so in a way you are right, but wrong about the prez. I guess you have TV reception in your country by now, if not don't worry about it, the cartoons are above your head.
gemini067 4 years ago
gemininuts067 NO, it was not on tv the day it happened, only the second plane. The proof is right in front of you and still you deny it. The footage was taken by a French Documentary group and it did not surface until Sept. 12. So you tell me how Bush could have seen the first one crash on TV at the school where he was waiting outside. The same one where he was reading to kids when #2 hit. Impossible! Watch the video then answer. It is Bush saying it to a group.
JakiiRSM 4 years ago
Geminuts067 Ohhhhh so you saw videos of the first plane crashing into the WTC on Sept. 11? My my I want your tv because it is showing stuff no other tv could possibly show. And pssssst I'm in the same country you are, assuming you are in the U.S. Did you forget your pill again?
JakiiRSM 4 years ago
Jerk: You must stop watching the cartoons,especially if you want to keep up with the news, you wont find ALL the news on NPR or Kieth Oldman, I do not know if you will be able to understand it, by try FOX.
gemini067 4 years ago
geminuts067 Isnt jerk a name that refers to men? I am not! Who said I find all the news on NPR or Oldermann? And you recommend FOX aka FAUX?? Now that is really funny! You are hearing only conservative views on FAUX. They only hire Right wing moderators. Check it out on Google. Does that tell you anything about their bias's? You are only showing your lack of openness to research, reading, and listening to views other than the neocon view point.
JakiiRSM 4 years ago
jerk;There is no gender implied, I have known a few women who were real jerkers, but all that is meaningless, most women and a lot of men only know what is on TV, and like the papers, biased, they are edited and tell only what they wish you to believe, the media have no standards. I believe Joe Wilson is a liar, he is a political hack who has no morals and is looking for a position in the next democrat administration, he did the same thing in the last election.
gemini067 4 years ago
geminuts If your name to me is meaningless then why do it? Wilson did not lie. There is nothing that says he did. Again, where the hell are you getting your information? TV, papers, media? Mine doesn't come from any of those sources as you imply. How is it that you accuse him of lying but refuse to see it in Bush, Cheney, Condi, Rumsfeld, Rove?
JakiiRSM 4 years ago
jerk;When Wilson returned from Africa he wrote a memo stating that the iraqi's had talked to the africans, it was in the news before the last prez election, and I know you saw it too. You say I refuse to see the lies, and name only republicans, is it possible that you are guilty also of being blind to what you accuse me of.
gemini067 4 years ago
geminuts067 Where are earth are you getting your info? Joe Wilson NEVER wrote that memo. A writer from The Weekly Standard wrote an inaccurate, and incomplete story that has been rebuked. The facts show there were forged documents/memos most likely by an administration that was desparate to not be found out in this thing. continued..
JakiiRSM 4 years ago
jerk; I suspected and now I am sure, you are JOE WILSON,"forged documents","desparate administration","worms", "BS swarms" you are one really sick individual, I find it hard to believe that you are this serious about something you have no control over. Look hillary or whoever wins may give joe back his job, but don't bet on it, they don't like anyone who twists the truth more than themselves. Enjoy the holiday.
gemini067 4 years ago
geminuts067 You neocons are so good at the condescending BS. You call facts sick, no it is you who is sick! Sick with blind loyalty. Joe Wilson NEVER lied, fact!!! And again, there were proven forged documents and not by him, regarding his trip to Niger. What the hell kind of research are you doing?? Rightwingdotcom or something? I suggest you go into some independant sources, that is if you really want the facts. But you aren't interested in facts quite obviously.
JakiiRSM 4 years ago
jerk; "Joe Wilson never lied" do you honestly believe that, even joe wilson wouldn't believe it, and where do you get this "forged documents" if you can not disregard it then it was forged? I don,t know why I bother, it seems you do not read anything I write, I go one way and you come back with something irrelevant. believe what you wish.
gemini067 4 years ago
Geminuts67 I suggest you to go into Joe Wilsons website and possibly read his side, or do you want to know? Bet not! As I have said to you before, it amazes me that you choose to call him a liar and believe an administration that is crawling with corruptness, and liars who have deceived the American people.
JakiiRSM 4 years ago
jerk; I did not say I believed "an administation that is crawling with corruptness", I said I do not believe joe wilson, you seem to think he is the bible, he is a democrat,and worst of all a politician which automatically makes him a LIAR.
gemini067 4 years ago
geminuts You neocons are nothing but attack dogs and unrelentless with your continual badgering. I think YOU misunderstand. Again, I do not think Joe Wilson is the bible, and he DID NOT lie about his trip to Niger. Whisper campaigns started with the administration to discredit him. Fact! Why ask me anything? If you have found nothing re forged documents/memos? do some more homework! If I annoy you, which is obvious, please do not direct any further messages to me. Simple!!
JakiiRSM 4 years ago
geminuts Wilson, also did not claim Cheney sent him to Niger as is accused. His wife Plame did not send him there, instead it was CIA Direct. of Operations. The desparate will do anything to worm out of their hole, and sadly you people do not go any further with it than that. Only stopping where the BS swarms.
JakiiRSM 4 years ago
well gemini067 If the CIA can't tell the truth, they must get along very well with Bush. What a great symbiotic relationship!!
JakiiRSM 4 years ago
Jerker; Right, and since the senate and house are run by the dems, and maybe a dem prez. there will not have to be a change in the CIA.
gemini067 4 years ago
conservobot999 They don't need facts, they're neocons.
JakiiRSM 4 years ago
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You know how you can tell when Joe is lying? ans.= His lips move !!!He actually thinks he is an expert on something.
micsc50 4 years ago
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House-husband to a CIA paper-pusher, both Democrat operatives.
patsagainstrats 4 years ago
Attacking the person, not addressing the issue. It's not like the President, Rummy, or Rush have any horse in this race that would "influence" their words, right? How can a townhal meeting be a bad idea?
drmark1995 4 years ago
they both voted for bush in 2000, fuckstick.
FattKidd 4 years ago
That's a flat out lie. They both contributed the maximum amout allowable to Al Gore's campaign. Your liberal hypocrisy is boundless.
patsagainstrats 4 years ago
Joe Wilson is a Hero
lovuian 4 years ago 5