All mentioned in the Book of Mormon are not found in the new world. ? Horses Elephants Cattle and cows Sheep Goats Swine Barley and wheat Silk Chariots or wheeled vehicles Iron and steel Metal swords System of exchange based on measures of precious metals Compass Windows Knowledge of Hebrew or Egyptian languages Systems of measuring time (calendars) Solomon's temple Zarahemla
Thank Youfor Your faith in the Immortal Lord Jesus Christ 2 Nephi 25:26-27 - footnotes; Matthew 17:1-2-13; Mark 9:1-2-13; Luke 1-27-36; John 1:14; 3 Nephi 11-28:1-7-40; D&C 4; 13;20:77-79; 89:1-4, 9-11, 13-16, 18-21, (1-21); 131; 132; Your faithfully friend in the name of Jesus Christ
Critics galore! You dont realize you're actually giving the Lds church tremendous advantage with your endless tirades 24/7. Giving them the challenge and the opportunity to offer the world a chance to choose between hate-driven campaigns vs. love-inspired motivation to preach the word of GOD to all kindred, tongue and nations,THINGS THAT OTHERWISE WOULD, HAVE REMAIN DORMANT IN THE MINDS OF THE SILENT MAJORITY TO, YOUR ADVANTAGE HAS NOW COME TO THE FORE! .LET GOD FINISH HIS WORK.! ! ! OVA
@ViCe1986 and that makes the book of mormon valid ?. Lack of evidence of biblical accounts does not strengthen another fabricated story. The book of mormon has no verifiable geographical place or any archeological evidences. There are no steel swords, wheat, barley wheeled chariots or elephants spoken of in the B of M that are found to exist at time the B of M was supposed to occur.
There is plenty of evidence to validate the BoM, there is steel weapons found in Central America, there is evidence of pre columbian wheat and barley, where does the BoM mention wheeled chariots?, and there is evidence that elephants were on the continent much later than earlier believed (thought do not have evidence of elephants in Jaridite times).
My point though it if the BoM is false because of lack of archeological support so is the Holy Bible, but you use a double standard.
@ViCe1986 There are no evidence of horses or steel swords and great armies wearing breast plates wielding swords (fashioned after the sword of Laban). A fabricated story with solitary proof being "it eels good" is not evidence. Your typical argument for the lack of evidence is possibly why Joseph Smith created a patented mormon Jesus to compete with all the other fabricated versions of God and Jesus.
If you refuse to discuss then there is no point in further correspondence, denying without investigation is silly.
It is also sad that towing the double standard of an anti, you conveniently ignore that your hypocritical position in demanding archeological proof for the BoM but accepting the Bible with no proof at all.
I wish you well brother, but it serves no one for this discussion to continue.
@ViCe1986 refuse what, just show the evidence . Where are the horses, wheat, armies of steel swords in Zarahemla ? ( not speculation , evidence )
why not look beyond what your told to read and believe. There is so much more to know since Joseph smith and the 1800's invention of mormon christianity.
And why would anyone be compelled to simply pray without reason of something that is totally transparently incorrect.
Where are the walls of Jericho? (Using your logic) A. It doesn't exist
Where is Noah's Arc (Using your logic) A. It doesn't exist
Where is the Arc of the Covenant? (Using your logic) A. It doesn't exist
Where is the Tomb that Christ laid in? (Using your logic) A. It doesn't exist
You are willing to fully believe in all the above events with absolutely no evidence to support it yet you demand evidence for the BoM. Sound very hypocritical of you to do that, IMO
tengan cuidado con esta SECTA no es de Dios para nada. Los padres de Smith eran hechiceros por ende su hijo. El angel moroni se encuentra en la biblia sanatica. Leer Enciclopedia SHAFF-HERGOS VOL VIII PG 9-19
Lehis journey through Arabia, as described in the Book of Mormon, can be accurately traced nowadays. Today we know where places like the valley of Lemuel, Shazer, Nahom and Bountiful are. In 19th century America nobody had any idea about them. So, all the stories about the place names Joseph Smith is supposed to have invented are... just inventions.
You will find that Moroni(town) was founded by Arabs, Moroni was the descendant of Arabs. And that that is a small island of in the Strait of Madagascar, do you think that the unschooled Smith would have ever heard of it at all.
You're serious? You are unable to entertain the possibility that Smith had access to world maps??
Ever since I first encountered Mormons I have had the distinct impression that they were quite gullible, but not to this extent. You have either lost your ability to reason or are being deliberately obtuse.
Maps were quite common in that day and Madagascar was well charted by the 1600s.
Smith obviously used the words in the BoM after he ran out of names to make up.
Yes, seeing that the only map in the world that had mention to Nahom in 1820 was in the private collection of the Dutch Royalty, I doubt the Palmyra public library (which did not exist in 1820) had a copy of the map.
Seeing that there was no map in public circulation in 1820 yes, there was no way for Smith to have access to them maps. Let alone that he had a 3rd grade education, which would greatly limit his ability to reply study such maps even they existed in the US.
I meant to say that the Onondaga People, collectively, were call the Onondagas.
And, 'Chief Onondagus' was a name that Mr. Smith handily came up with, when a skeleton of a man was found by his company, while traversing parts of Missouri.
Smith, of course, drew upon the reserve of unusual names already stored in his mind, from childhood: and, nobody else was the wiser, for it.
@orlovna2 Also: Jacobsburg,PA-Jacobugoth. Kishminitus River, OH-Kishkumen. Shilohi, OH-Shilohi. Morin-Moroni. Alma,Quebec-Alma. All cities within a 200 mile radius of Joseph Smith's house in Palmyra. Source:Heart of the Matter
If you look deeper into this, these cities all have links back to the Roman Empire, more specifically, the Middle East. Here is just a few more namesakes from the BoM time that I remember: Rome, Alexandria, Memphis, Philadelphia, Corsica(Medi), Albany, Palmyra, and Macedon to recall a few.
PS:In the Book of Mormon, Alma taught a great many, Alma translates as teacher, so he couldn't have gotten that name from a city.
So now a poor farm boy in NY was a world traveler and geography expert on the side also, in a time where the average person barely knew the geographic area outside there own county?
Your excuses get more far fetched by the day! ROFL
Well seeing that none of towns you mentioned are major cities I doubt that anyone that wasn't big into geography would know the name of obscure town names in PA, OH, and Canada. Especially if they were spending a good chunk of there day tilling fields.
El relato y la supuesta historia del libro de aquella persona que se llamaba Mormo'n es una fantasi'a sin sustancia. No hay ni ruinas ni recuerdos arqueolo'gicos en todo el hemisferio occidental para, al contrario, averiguar la existencia de los muchos fantasmas de ese cuento ficticio.
En contraste, en el Medio Oriente au'n existen las ruinas y artefactos de cada ciudad ya mencionada en la Biblia.
oye bonita a pesar de q no soy mormon me gustaria ver la historia completa. solo vi cuando llegan a la tierra prometida. en donde lo podria ver y en español? o bien me gustaria ver cuando cristo fue a las americas y la destruccion del pueblo nefita. si los tienes te agradeceria q me los mostraras. un besote.
kramd1 3 months ago
Somehow it’s not surprising that somebody who believes in the Book of Mormon also can't spell "coming" correctly
MrQwertyqwerty12345 5 months ago
yawn
999999notice 8 months ago
Thank Youfor Your faith in the Immortal Lord Jesus Christ 2 Nephi 25:26-27 - footnotes; Matthew 17:1-2-13; Mark 9:1-2-13; Luke 1-27-36; John 1:14; 3 Nephi 11-28:1-7-40; D&C 4; 13;20:77-79; 89:1-4, 9-11, 13-16, 18-21, (1-21); 131; 132; Your faithfully friend in the name of Jesus Christ
ChristJesusIvoBaksay 8 months ago
whats this one called?
nivz11 9 months ago
Critics galore! You dont realize you're actually giving the Lds church tremendous advantage with your endless tirades 24/7. Giving them the challenge and the opportunity to offer the world a chance to choose between hate-driven campaigns vs. love-inspired motivation to preach the word of GOD to all kindred, tongue and nations,THINGS THAT OTHERWISE WOULD, HAVE REMAIN DORMANT IN THE MINDS OF THE SILENT MAJORITY TO, YOUR ADVANTAGE HAS NOW COME TO THE FORE! .LET GOD FINISH HIS WORK.! ! ! OVA
sparco121111 9 months ago
Where is Zarahemla ?
kramd1 1 year ago
@kramd1
Where are the walls of Jericho?
ViCe1986 9 months ago
@ViCe1986 where are the horses ?
kramd1 9 months ago
@kramd1
Or Noah's Arc?
Or the Arc of the Covenant?
Or the Tomb of Joesph of Arimathea in which Christ was laid for three days?
ViCe1986 9 months ago
@ViCe1986 and that makes the book of mormon valid ?. Lack of evidence of biblical accounts does not strengthen another fabricated story. The book of mormon has no verifiable geographical place or any archeological evidences. There are no steel swords, wheat, barley wheeled chariots or elephants spoken of in the B of M that are found to exist at time the B of M was supposed to occur.
Where is Zarahemla ? A. It does not exist.
kramd1 9 months ago
@kramd1
There is plenty of evidence to validate the BoM, there is steel weapons found in Central America, there is evidence of pre columbian wheat and barley, where does the BoM mention wheeled chariots?, and there is evidence that elephants were on the continent much later than earlier believed (thought do not have evidence of elephants in Jaridite times).
My point though it if the BoM is false because of lack of archeological support so is the Holy Bible, but you use a double standard.
ViCe1986 9 months ago
@ViCe1986 There are no evidence of horses or steel swords and great armies wearing breast plates wielding swords (fashioned after the sword of Laban). A fabricated story with solitary proof being "it eels good" is not evidence. Your typical argument for the lack of evidence is possibly why Joseph Smith created a patented mormon Jesus to compete with all the other fabricated versions of God and Jesus.
R U allowed to read anything else ?
try reading the epic of Gilgamesh.
kramd1 9 months ago
@kramd1
If you refuse to discuss then there is no point in further correspondence, denying without investigation is silly.
It is also sad that towing the double standard of an anti, you conveniently ignore that your hypocritical position in demanding archeological proof for the BoM but accepting the Bible with no proof at all.
I wish you well brother, but it serves no one for this discussion to continue.
God Bless, and have a Happy Easter!
ViCe1986 9 months ago
@ViCe1986 refuse what, just show the evidence . Where are the horses, wheat, armies of steel swords in Zarahemla ? ( not speculation , evidence )
why not look beyond what your told to read and believe. There is so much more to know since Joseph smith and the 1800's invention of mormon christianity.
And why would anyone be compelled to simply pray without reason of something that is totally transparently incorrect.
Where is Zarahemla ?
kramd1 9 months ago
@kramd1 I disagree everythingthat js describes in the b.o.m is in there
Mrs1997Elise 3 months ago
@Mrs1997Elise Where ? Like a Tapir is a Horse ? a wooden broad sword is a steel sword ? I guess you need faith and an imagination.
kramd1 3 months ago
@kramd1
Where are the walls of Jericho? (Using your logic) A. It doesn't exist
Where is Noah's Arc (Using your logic) A. It doesn't exist
Where is the Arc of the Covenant? (Using your logic) A. It doesn't exist
Where is the Tomb that Christ laid in? (Using your logic) A. It doesn't exist
You are willing to fully believe in all the above events with absolutely no evidence to support it yet you demand evidence for the BoM. Sound very hypocritical of you to do that, IMO
ViCe1986 9 months ago
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tengan cuidado con esta SECTA no es de Dios para nada. Los padres de Smith eran hechiceros por ende su hijo. El angel moroni se encuentra en la biblia sanatica. Leer Enciclopedia SHAFF-HERGOS VOL VIII PG 9-19
elsie123val 1 year ago
Beautiful and inspiring story it gave me an overwhelming feeling that God lives, thank you for posting.
sonnic36 1 year ago
@sonnic36 Where is Zarahemla ?
kramd1 1 year ago
Lehis journey through Arabia, as described in the Book of Mormon, can be accurately traced nowadays. Today we know where places like the valley of Lemuel, Shazer, Nahom and Bountiful are. In 19th century America nobody had any idea about them. So, all the stories about the place names Joseph Smith is supposed to have invented are... just inventions.
Troul478 1 year ago
hmmmm its okey
04janssen 1 year ago
Here's a great exercise for you:
Go to Google Maps. Scroll over to the African continent, zoom in to the east coast and find Madagascar (my kids LOVE that movie).
Got it? Ok, see those little islands in between the two? Go in closer.
Surprise! You'll find one island called Comoros (Cumorah) and its capital - Moroni.
Now you know where Joseph Smith got the idea for the name.
thesignsoflife7 1 year ago
@thesignsoflife7 Yeah, I am pretty sure Joseph googled the whole thing.:)
myway43 1 year ago
@thesignsoflife7 Here's a great exercise for you:
RESEARCH BOM A TAD BIT MORE
You will find that Moroni(town) was founded by Arabs, Moroni was the descendant of Arabs. And that that is a small island of in the Strait of Madagascar, do you think that the unschooled Smith would have ever heard of it at all.
Moroni is a northern Mediterranean name.
masterskyrunner 1 year ago
@masterskyrunner
You cannot imagine Smith having access to a map???
PS: Alma never existed.
thesignsoflife7 1 year ago
@thesignsoflife7 Actually, no I don't think that he had access to a map of a remote part of the remote Strait of Madagascar.
masterskyrunner 1 year ago
@masterskyrunner
You're serious? You are unable to entertain the possibility that Smith had access to world maps??
Ever since I first encountered Mormons I have had the distinct impression that they were quite gullible, but not to this extent. You have either lost your ability to reason or are being deliberately obtuse.
Maps were quite common in that day and Madagascar was well charted by the 1600s.
Smith obviously used the words in the BoM after he ran out of names to make up.
thesignsoflife7 1 year ago
@thesignsoflife7
No, not to many poor rural farm boys in upstate New York in the 1820's had access to updated world maps.
ViCe1986 9 months ago
@ViCe1986
And you know this for a fact?
thesignsoflife7 2 months ago
@thesignsoflife7
Yes, seeing that the only map in the world that had mention to Nahom in 1820 was in the private collection of the Dutch Royalty, I doubt the Palmyra public library (which did not exist in 1820) had a copy of the map.
Seeing that there was no map in public circulation in 1820 yes, there was no way for Smith to have access to them maps. Let alone that he had a 3rd grade education, which would greatly limit his ability to reply study such maps even they existed in the US.
ViCe1986 2 months ago
Here are some words that are pronounced alike:
Lehigh, N.Y. = Lehi
Oneida Tribe of N.Y. = Onitah
"Chief Onondagus" (derived from the
Onondagus tribe, of N.Y.)
Mr. Joseph Smith was at least consistent.
orlovna2 2 years ago
I meant to say that the Onondaga People, collectively, were call the Onondagas.
And, 'Chief Onondagus' was a name that Mr. Smith handily came up with, when a skeleton of a man was found by his company, while traversing parts of Missouri.
Smith, of course, drew upon the reserve of unusual names already stored in his mind, from childhood: and, nobody else was the wiser, for it.
orlovna2 2 years ago
@orlovna2 Also: Jacobsburg,PA-Jacobugoth. Kishminitus River, OH-Kishkumen. Shilohi, OH-Shilohi. Morin-Moroni. Alma,Quebec-Alma. All cities within a 200 mile radius of Joseph Smith's house in Palmyra. Source:Heart of the Matter
breezwonder 1 year ago
If you look deeper into this, these cities all have links back to the Roman Empire, more specifically, the Middle East. Here is just a few more namesakes from the BoM time that I remember: Rome, Alexandria, Memphis, Philadelphia, Corsica(Medi), Albany, Palmyra, and Macedon to recall a few.
PS:In the Book of Mormon, Alma taught a great many, Alma translates as teacher, so he couldn't have gotten that name from a city.
masterskyrunner 1 year ago
@breezwonder
So now a poor farm boy in NY was a world traveler and geography expert on the side also, in a time where the average person barely knew the geographic area outside there own county?
Your excuses get more far fetched by the day! ROFL
ViCe1986 9 months ago
@ViCe1986 What does geography have to do with knowing the names of certain cities and states?
breezwonder 9 months ago
@breezwonder
Well seeing that none of towns you mentioned are major cities I doubt that anyone that wasn't big into geography would know the name of obscure town names in PA, OH, and Canada. Especially if they were spending a good chunk of there day tilling fields.
ViCe1986 9 months ago
I think that I will be censured, for not giving a warm-in-the-bosom glowing report of our story-teller, SMith.
Why? Because, as Boyd K. Packer, of the Mormon Church has said,
"Not everything that is true is useful."
Therefore, you must diligently accept only that which will flatter the mormon people
(Think of that new TV program, called "V": where the female leader dictates that only a "glowing report" will be accepted, in news interviews.)
Alrighty, then. Mormons are like "V".
orlovna2 2 years ago
Para: memex810
El relato y la supuesta historia del libro de aquella persona que se llamaba Mormo'n es una fantasi'a sin sustancia. No hay ni ruinas ni recuerdos arqueolo'gicos en todo el hemisferio occidental para, al contrario, averiguar la existencia de los muchos fantasmas de ese cuento ficticio.
En contraste, en el Medio Oriente au'n existen las ruinas y artefactos de cada ciudad ya mencionada en la Biblia.
E'se Trata de:
Una historia verdadera? No
Un Fablo roma'ntico? Sip
orlovna2 2 years ago
oye bonita a pesar de q no soy mormon me gustaria ver la historia completa. solo vi cuando llegan a la tierra prometida. en donde lo podria ver y en español? o bien me gustaria ver cuando cristo fue a las americas y la destruccion del pueblo nefita. si los tienes te agradeceria q me los mostraras. un besote.
memex810 2 years ago
even better the second time =)
omiolo1 3 years ago