Fuck wisdom teeth, when I had mine extracted I sent them to a non-signatory of the Geneva Convention to be tortured. Seemed fair after what they did to me.
BTW guys I think the link points back to the same vid complete with annoying background music... is that link working for anyone else?
The inherent logical flaw in your argument is that you are making values judgments about what's "good" or "bad" about how the universe is designed, That inherently makes your argument biased which makes it nonsense to claim you are speaking scientifically. Your not seeing the logic of a design just proves its too complex for you
1/2 A human genome contains about 3,000,000,000 nucleotide pairs and a bacterium contains about 600,000 pairs. Although we do not know the meaning of the words, sentences, etc., each cell knows how to read the code and only reads the part that is relevant to their type and function. This selective reading process creates many different kinds of cells, such as skin, muscle, neural, and bone cells, all of which develop from many cells of the embryo produced by the growth and division of one cell.
2/2 the fertilized egg. This is where the fundamental analysis lies... are we literally designed or is this an illusion? An optical one? Is you hand a random accumulation of cells with an illusion to grab, and hold objects, or with its purpose inherent to do such work?
@Texasjim2007 Or, perhaps there is no such thing as premeditated, all-inclusive design and we can only study what is.
If you mean to say that there's somehow a specific reason for genetic disorders like epidermolysis bullosa (butterfly children), that there's a good reason people are suffering like this everyday for "a good reason", just because they're somehow get a better deal in an imagined next life is non-sense.
Hahaa! All the incredible f&%ktards you find among "creationists".. The user named "JeremiasMezenga" is a Brazilian Nazi, apparently. I had no idea that such people even exist. Look at his channel, it's pretty hilarious.
@JeremiasMezenga No, no, no. The argument of Intelligent Design is an argument from ignorance. "You can't prove there's no God, therefore it must be."
We know that the universe is not fine-tuned for life, therefore it is an argument from evidence.
@JeremiasMezenga Clearly, you have misunderstood the concept of argumentation from ignorance. We know the eye has a blind spot, and we presume that if an intelligent being created us, it would have done it properly. Thus, evolution is the most viable, established theory. If there was evolution and no "gods" involved, how do you think we came to be?
I told my friend some of these facts, and his logic was: since everything IS so messed up, and we are still here, that shows that there HAS to be something out there that created / aided our creation or existence. He was convinced that this was good logic. What can I say to him without being offensive? Serious answers only please.
@BrettSchall they are avoiding the point and will never be convinced. people like he/she operate on a mindset designed with the sole purpose of never changing their mind. thats what i have learned from creationists, i have learned to accept their ignorance because they are simply programmed to validate their beliefs and ignore any contradictions.
Any honest physicist will tell you the truth: we do not know. So far we are unable to tell exactly what happened, we can only theorize up till a fraction of a second after it then even math fails us. (pretty much like you can tell 1/000.1=1000 but 1/0=?). Given the fact however, that the universe itself is not "nothing" and even the void has certain properties (zero point energy) I think the bb was simply a point were dimensions changed and time began.
Even if you remove the posts i still see them. I told you to go take a physics 1 class then we can talk again about the entropy of the universe.
You also assumed einstein believed in a deist god, and said "even einstein realized it was impossible the universe was not created" that is false, ridiculous, and insulting.
You are trying to say Religion could be taken seriously by science, were science by definition ignores wishful thinking, that's for philosophy.
You are right, I am not if you clearly show that your opinions are based on common mistakes and clear creationist propaganda. In fact I've already listened to "your" opinion much more than it deserved, I've already listened to it dozens of times and i am growing tired of morons with no basic education spouting nonsense copy pasted from the same site trying to look intelligent.
^ the only people i hear this from are creationists retards.
"Go find a more educated creationist"
^ Let me know if you ever find one....
"I'm 16 years old"
If you haven't even heard of entropy in your high school science class yet, why were you arguing about it? Simply for the fact that everything an "evolutionist" says is a lie?
@TataRoids well on the other end, i think that evolution happens because life always find a way forexample even when the meteors hit the earth killing many species some species stayed and lived on. if there was a superior being conducting it, there wouldn't be mass extinctions of species ect...
@Atheist603 I'll never know the reason, but I still know it makes much more sense for there to be a superior being and not that this "all happened by chance".
@TataRoids well that's what beliefs are, eventhough there aren't evidence for such thing, u always go with what makes sense for you,and forget that there are certain things that the human brain can picture. I mean even if the superior being is there, where does it come from? did it just pop out? etc... well it's ok to believe w/e u wanna believe but i care about the truth.
@TataRoids well that's what beliefs are, even though there aren't evidence for such thing, u always go with what makes sense for you,and forget that there are certain things that the human brain can't picture. I mean even if there was superior being , where does it come from? did it just pop out? etc... well it's ok to believe w/e u wanna believe but i care about the truth.
@TataRoids lol why do you need an answer so badly?? and cuz you can't think of something else, u'd ratha jus jump to conclusion that a god did it out of thin air using magic. lol how did he create matter? it's better to say that idk instead of just making assumptions. would it kill you if you don't kno the answer right now? and if there was a creator where did he come from? what was behind it/him/her?
@TataRoids well, i get ur point, but what evidence support ur theory then? and if you answer a mystery with a mystery how does that fully answer ur question?
@TataRoids "Either way it's wishful thinking. I care about the truth, But if I can't find a solid enough answer I go with what is more possible." Not really, you replace one question that you can't possibly have any idea about with an answer from someone who can't possibly know anything about it. What caused our universe can not be answered at present.
Please Re-read your post then my post. You say "you are not going to care about my opinions" I say "you are right because they are not your opinions but simple propaganda someone put in your brain" You don't need to prove me anything, I'm simply telling you that i an getting tired of hearing "your opinion" over and over and over, which is as much insolent as it is ignorant.
One word: entropy. (remember? dS/dt > 0? Divine chaos?)
"it all works out."
Umm yeah, find one part in thousands of orders of magnitude that works and it ALL WORKS out. Tell you what i sell you a 10 megapixel color camera which has only one pixel working, you'd buy it? The efficency of that camera is way greater than the efficency of the universe for the purpouse you're implying yet i doubt you would buy it, unless you're very dumb... oh sorry bad example...
@kyagh Come again, "find one part in thousands of orders of magnitude"? Are you talking about life on earth? or what?
Cause i'll let you know the universe is in perfect sync. I don't see Astronomers and astro-physicists coming to me and telling me that there is a single galaxy or solar system that is not abiding by the laws of physics and such.
The efficiency of the universe is perfect, it does its job.
Life is insignificiant, when put on the cosmic scale.
You keep stating general culture anectodes, yet you claim the universe does something for a reason. If you do not know what the reason is how can you claim there is a reason for what the universe does? You are being vague, elaborate. How do you tell that the universe has a reason? If the universe has a reason what would a universe without a reason look like or do then? How do you measure the "efficency of the universe" that you stated earlier? Care to define that too?
The same laws which dictate that the whole universe will tend to total chaos?
Expansion is not order, on the contrary, expansions causes disorder. You told me to take astronomy, well i tell you, go take physics 1 (expecially thermodynamics) before trying to deal with astrophysics.
In almost every transofmation of energy there is a component that becomes low temperature heat, that quantity of energy increases the entropy of the universe. By the end of times there are only two scenarios, the universe keeps expanding and it will become just a huge ball of cold gas (chaos) or everything will collapse under gravity (order).So far we calculate that the universe does not have enough mass for order.
Order and chaos must be defined first. For example given a certain space and 4 molecules of gas what configuration is the more ordered and what is the more chaotic? The more chaotic is the one where they are randomly distributed around the whole space, the more ordered is the one where they are all located in a small space. I see disorder in the universe, galaxies spread all over the place in a very disordered fashion rather than all patched togheter.
@kyagh if galaxies were all patched together that would be even more chaotic.
Galaxies revolve around something even though we cannot pin point what and we cannot pin point our revolutions(theory). For example the milky way is going to collide with andromeda in approximately 3billion years. The space between galaxies is well needed for these revolutions around the variable.
If there was no variable and there was no space, imagine the chaos.
The one about galaxies is a complete mess, order is not arbitrary, I'm sorry, it is a matter of probabilities, yes even if it seems disordered to you that all galaxies are togheter in a small quantity of space rather than scattered over distances.
The stuff about the variable is nonsense, what variable? Revolutions around the variable? I don't need to imagine the chaos, that post is caothic enough.
2) The entropy of a small universe is much smaller than that of a greater universe. "chaos" in physics is not as loosely defined as you make it. A black hole is indeed an object that creates order by concentrating matter using the work done by the force of gravity. Order is not defined as that which enables pretty shapes to arise or that which allows life to form, if you want to argue that it's another topic.
1. Our design is stupid because we have illnesses, birth defects and die?
What does he want? Immortal people?, Then the planet would be overpopulated since many years ago with many more problems than today. 2. The universe is hostile having many things that might kill us. CORRECT. Then isn´t it miraculous
we´re not only alive but on a blissly beautiful planet up to now unique?
@Rigelcentauri58 We die because of mistakes in our "design" that is not illness that is something newborn kids have to suffer. Down syndrome and others prohibits many innocent children from having a normal happy life. If your god is truly behind all this the only explaination is that he is WICKED.
@Rigelcentauri58 If people praise god for good things why shouldn't they ahte him for bad things?Most christians think god=good things happen Satan=bad things happen but that is merely ignorance of the bible... Afterall god is omnipotent and therefore everything satan does he wants to let him do it or he would stop him. If god is perfect god's creations are perfect or he would be an imperfect creator impossible because god is perfect.
@kyagh Well my friend: I believe satan is not needed in this planet for there are people so malevolent that he´d be astonished to hear about. But According to your understanding and your longing for perfection, could you describe me how a perfect Humanity would be?, Would it biologicaly be possible?
@Rigelcentauri58 I am not longing for perfection, your religion is and in the process it creates so many contraddictions in itself that it is astonishing how intelligent people are still following it. Satan not needed? Are you trying to say earthquackes tsunamis hurricanes vulcanic eruptions plagues and pestilences are caused by human sin? Oh my if i masturbate now will i cause another earthquake? XD
@kyagh , Nature is intelligent, its phenomena are well planned to sustain life , and of course, earthquakes do no happen because someone masturbates, in fact we arrived at this planet just on the right time. Had we arrived earlier and radiation and volcanic activitry would´ve been too intense: too late would mean living without nutrient-rich volcanic soils. That´s only one example of many ¨chances¨happening at the same time, that keep us humans alive as a race up-to-now.
@Rigelcentauri58 Yeah thats one example of many chances and it would be indeed astonishing if the earth was the only planet of the universe it would indeed prove that the universe was made for this. But how many planets are there in the universe? With more than 80 billion galaxies in a span of 46 billion light years each containing up to billions of suns? Let's not say that the space which we see is homogenous and thus indicating that the universe extends well beyond our event horizon.
@kyagh It´s easy to speculate and let the mind wonder since our capacity to imagine is huge, However , intelligent life is a rarity in our Universe. I don´t know if earth is unique in sustaining it but, if there are more, they must be scarce. Since the Big bang, almost 13.8 billion years have passed. With such a long time, so many billions of stars and planets and supposely so many ïntelligences¨ around, Where are they?? , up to now 300 extrasolar planets seen and nothing.
@Rigelcentauri58 "why isn´t there life all over the solar system?" the solar system could very well be brimming with bacterial life. Mars has vast underground structures, titan has an atmosphere and lakes of liquid nitrogen, europa has an ocean of liquid water under its ice crust and plenty of volcanic activity, Io also has plenty of volcanic activity very similary to the first stages of the earth. Stating that there is no life in the solar system just because we haven't found it is stupid.
@kyagh I am well aware of the geological composition of those places, and I understand your optimism. I wish also we could find extreterrestrial life anywhere in the cosmos , intelligent life if possible, but I agree with Enrico Fermi when he sated "if they are real, where are they? Just imagine we got in contact with them.
Our flags and some parts of our history would be shameful.
@Rigelcentauri58 "if they are real, where are they?" I dunno about you but how much of this world's life is intelligent? for more than 3 billion years earth only had simple unicellular life. Chemestry of other worlds may not permit multicellular life let alone intelligent life. Just because we haven't found someone with pointy ears going "live long and prosper", doesn't mean we can't find life on other planets.
@Rigelcentauri58 It's phenomena are well planned to sustain life? It would be the same as saying that water is made to fit a glass... you're doing it the opposite way. It's life that adapted to earth not the other way around, life is incredibly adaptive we have even discovered micro organisms living in all sort of extreme places they are called EXTREMOPHILES.
@kyagh The only problem with your example is that glass is not naturally made.
Now: If life is so incredibly adaptative and ¨easy to bloom¨, why isn´t there life all over the solar system??, at least on places we can prove like the Moon, Mars, Venus, , Titan etc. The answer is easy.
@Rigelcentauri58 Life has requirements, one of which is having a chemestry that enables the formation of long chains of polimers. Having a temperature or pressure that would reduce anything to gas makes life as we know it impossible, it's simple chemestry.
@Rigelcentauri58 abiogenesis is not a proven fact because we lack the ability to have a few billion tons of sample going at the same time for a few billion years. However it is a proven fact that all the elements were there and abundant, and not only on earth, peptides and amino acids have been found trough spectroscopy to be common in the cosmos. It is also known that processes which use simple chemistry can give rise to life in multiple ways, we are simply not sure which way is right.
@kyagh Thanks for saying I am right!!. If you are in science you know that a phenomena must be proven, not only once , but many times , obtaining the same result in order to be considered a fact. Otherwise, it must remain as a theory, hypothesis or "the most probable cause" Be careful: stating "simple chemistry can give rise to life in multiple ways" is adventured and could be ridiculous when asked for a objetive demostration.
@kyagh The problem with you youngsters is that they don't teach etymologies at school anymore; The greek word "theorein" (Theory) means to contemplate. Look your dictionary you' ll find its definition is: "Group of speculative principles, opposed to practice , that form the rational knowledge of a science". By the way; Gravity is a law and so are other laws you mention. Do study semantics also.
@Rigelcentauri58 Like i said it's inside your doctrine that god is omnieverything yet they are silly attributes that kids give to their superheroes. Can god make a boulder so heavy he cannot lift? There omnipotence is disproved, yet it is claimed that your god IS omnipotent. These should be the misteries of faith, not jesus resurrecting because afterall dead people walking at that time was quite common!
Ha! I love the comments here. I find it hilarious that so many people take the stance that religion is there to deal with the questions science 'can't answer'. Firstly; this is a gross underestimation of the capability of science. Secondly; religion doesn't 'deal' with ANY of these questions - it's all pure conjecture, fuelled by wish-thinking. There wouldn't even be computers or fibre-optic cables to enable these people to propagate their bullshit if it weren't for science.
@moekelok And to "propegate their bullshit if it weren't for science". With religion gives man the curiousity to leap forward in science side by side wtih religion.
Take Isaac newton for example, his mind was 400 years ahead of his time. The discoveries he made are wonderous to us even today, and guess what.
He did it all with a christian based mind set. You shouldn't be so quick to say that religion is bullshit. Cause after all it is just a theory. Just like this ignorant "stupid design" vid
I'd like you to stop quoting "christian scientists" that lived in an epoch where you were either christian or burned at the stake.
"with energy transfer there is a give off of cold and a give off of heat"
a give off of... cold? XD umm you're way off, heat is not cold or hot, temperature is. What i tried to explain you is with every energy transformation (cinetic to potential, electric to cinetic, chemical to electric etc...) some energy is lost as heat and CANNOT be used.
LOL. Religion is NOT a theory. The word theory would imply that it has some basis in fact, which it does not. Religion is wish-thought. Perhaps you should look up the scientific definition of the word 'theory', as it differs from your understanding of the word.
Newton's religious beliefs are up for debate. Also, there are plenty of scientists who do just fine without religion, Stephen Hawking being one of them.
@moekelok Theory- "A set of statements or principles devised to explain a group of facts or phenomena, especially one that has been repeatedly tested or is widely accepted and can be used to make predictions about natural phenomena."
Nice try, no FACT involved. Religion is a theory, think about it.
There are also plenty of scientists who do fine WITH religion. ALso einstien had no personal god, but he knew the impossibility of a non-created universe.
Einstein was proven wrong on many things, for example he said "god does not play dice" in skepticism of Heisenberg's principle, that principle is now widely accepted as the basis of quantum mechanics and even your computer works because of it.
Religion is not a theory: neither "that has been repeatedly tested" nor "can be used to make predictions about natural phenomena" are true. Well the first is partially true if you count all the tests that demonstrated the futility of prayer...
It is widely accepted according to recent pools in america that it is in fact the sun that goes around the earth and not the other way around. The pool showed that about 50% of americans believe so. Does that mean our knowledge of astronomy since 1600 is wrong?
No.
Ad popolum arguments are a fallacy and do not estabilish any truth, only the ignorance of the population.
You are still missing "can be used to make predictions on the natural world" part.
"something came from nothing and created everything"
If that is your interpretation of the big bang then i am as skeptical to it as you are. However your appeal to ridicule fallacy does not work because that is merely a strawman argument that you copy pasted from creationists websites. One that i grow tired of hearing.
Let me ask you, Have ALL the physicistsof the world forgotten what they learned in physics 1(ThermoDyn.)? Or perhaps it is you who misunderstands their prepositions?
Well done, that IS the correct definition. Biological evolution is the 'group of facts' in this case. The theory of evolution takes the demonstrable observable evolutionary phenomena in our world, such as speciation (Parapatric, Sympatric, Peripatric, Allopatric, etc.), and attempts to explain them. There is some controversy, BUT it is only centered around phenomena such as sexual selection, natural selection, etc. and the comparative prevalence of the roles they play in evolution.
Now, for religion. Religion is not a theory (not even close) for many reasons. None of the phenomena religion claims to deal with have ever been objectively demonstrated or observed and thus are not accepted as actual facts - hence the terms, FAITH and BELIEF. No religion has EVER successfully made an accurate, detailed prediction about the natural world. For a theory you need to start with a group of FACTS - religion has never, ever concerned itself with fact, only faith.
Lastly, the religiosity of scientists is utterly irrelevant to their work. Yes, there are examples of eminent scientists who are religious. Francis Collins is a popular example - his work on the mapping of the human genome is beyond reproach. Does he use god in chemical equations? No. Did he factor god into his work in ANY way whatsoever? NO. Scientists do not mix their beliefs with their work, because superstition has NO PLACE and NO USE in the lab - that's what CHURCHES are for.
This is man once again struggling to understand what he does not understand, in this case his physical world, and out of frustration he judges his physical world with ridicule.
There is a bigger picture to the design of our universe and to call it unintelligent because we can't make sense of it is arrogant and ignorant.
Oh? And I suppose YOU understand the world better than scientists do? This is a good example of the arrogance of IDers; that you think you know more about the universe from sitting in your armchair and reading an old book than scientists who spend their whole lives researching and experimenting. The only 'bigger picture' here is that of a runaway scam called religion where any critical examination is met with ad hoc apologetics.
It may not look like or even be Intelligent design BUT because it's beyond our understanding at the time calling it "stupid design" is stupid. It'd be more valid if it was referred to as "enigmatic design" or "mystery" ex... And yeah religion is a problem that arises to deal with these enigma's.
To make up supernatural explanations for what we don't know and then shove them down everyone's throat is the height of arrogance and willful ignorance. It's willful ignorance by definition because you claim some god made designed everything and then when we want to test your idea, you claim this god thing cannot be tested, thereby removing any possible inquiry. Not only that, but IDers have no criteria for detecting design so even ignoring the god problem, ID is a non-starter.
MrM2theX-all of our ideas and premises about the universe and ourselves and meaning all come from a human perspective, and we for better or worse are kinda stuck with it. and for human beings, to try and find a way to describe this universe we live in if it was indeed created or assembled or designed, i think its perfectly reasonable to feel that a universe that is super duper deadly 98% of the time and is full of inefficient life reproduction is a poorly designed/constructed/assembled universe
HA are you for reals man oh didnt mean to hurt your feelings Bambi. When did I ever say I understand the world better than scientist do? uh... NEVER. or mabe you replied to the wrong comment. I gave my opinion and thats what people do here and if I offended you Im Not sorry. Good luck with that PMS hun
You claim to know something that has eluded scientists for millenia: a knowledge that there is an intelligent designer. Now, plenty of scientists BELIEVE in a god, but none of them claim to have scientifically validated knowledge of one, yet, IDers do. And, this god thing is (supposedly) the explanation for everything. Therefore, you think you know more than the best scientists. Also, your ad-homs only serve to make you look immature and highlight the fact that you do not actually have a case.
Hey kid quit blabbering me with your dogmatic accusations. I have never once claimed a "God" was the answer. The only one here showing willful ignorance is you. I have no quarrel with IDers either for anyone is entitled to their own opinions and I, nor YOU or scientist KNOW if ID is true or not. That's a fact. Anything that is beyond our understanding comes down to theory and belief.
Take your Atheist diction elsewhere and cry about it to someone else.
we human beings are finished if we destroy this planet she is our mother we are made from her she has nourished us thaught us how to adapt and survive now some humans are destroying her with overexploitation leaving the planet devastated a wasteland for hungry orphans
I don't get this video, if they are trying to bash bible...then they terribly failed, because according to bible all what you see now is the cause of sin. So i don't get this whole thing about "stupid design" then. In the beginning everything was perfect but after sin curse came onto earth. I am not christian but read bible few times out of curiosity so i can actually argue with people about christianity. Not like most of the morons on this planet have NO CLUE whats written in the bible.
You are working under a really silly assumption that the bible is correct. You cannot just read the bible and claim to know about Christianity, you have to study its origins, translations, and authors. I suggest picking up Asimov's guide to the bible, it is excellent. Back to the point. The whole Adam and Eve story is clearly allegory, it did not start there. Even if I did except the thesis that sin caused it that is a really dumb excuse. Sin caused colliding galaxies and useless muscles?
But Christianity basis are in the bible. And this is clearly bash on bible, well too bad bible has answer for it. If it would be bash on something else then it's different.
The plantaris muscle located in the plant of our feet. It has disappeared in a ood porition of the population and is often harvested for material during operations.
The occipitalis minor which is a muscle that used to control movements of our ears also has disappeared in an abundant portion of the population.
These are the two i remember, there are other muscles as well as a great number of other vestigial organs (wisdom teeth, appendix, etc..)
@kyagh You put the situation as if, cavemen had plantaris muscle, but now some people don't. That is wrong. Those small organic changes have always existed. Every organ in our body has a function, some vital, some quasi, but all of them do. Plantaris m. helps walking and strengthens Achilles tendon when running. You can live without it? yes, just as you can live without a tiny finger. There are no vestigial organs, only people's IGNORANCE of anatomy and physiology
The function of the plantaris muscle in primates was to let them grab trees and objects with their feet. Since we no longer need such function it is disappearing in our population. BTW do you have an attention deficency disorder? You should check the comment history before writing your comments as you ended up ignoring what i asked you. I wanted you to delucidate me on the supposed existance of an atmoic law, not the lame bullshit you got off answersingenesis or w\e site.
@kyagh It seems We will never come to an agreement won't we?. I shall not contradict you this time, and since hard words such as 'bullshit" are beggining to be used I propose we quit. Anyway ,it is always good to dialoge with someone who does not think the same one does . Try not to believe everything you read or hear. I weish you well, Live long and prosper.
One great example of stupid design is this video—made with ROCK music! And not only that, rock music that drowns out the vocal. Thus we know this video wasn't created by an omni-everything supernatural being!
I'm sorry so many of you dislike the music, I had no problem hearing the audio so I kept it in. We put up a version with no background music, what else do you want?
It's too loud. Great video though. It's just difficult to hear through the music. No music, or quieter music. Either way, it's what is being said that I am interested in.
Yeah...my god your right...no single egineer or god could create all this....tehre must be a entire horde, of evil anti intelligent design egineeres making these things!!! my non existant god save us!!!!
Sin - the Fall - Isn't THAT part of the "context"? The doctrine of an imperfect, fallen creation is as old as orthodox Judaism and Christianity. All this video proves is that advocates of Intelligent Design are being stupid if they don't also factor sin and God's punishment of His fallen creation into the equation. All ugliness in Creation is the result of the Fall. Read the Bible.
Well that isn't really satisfying to any scientific person. Also beauty is subjective so what do you mean by ugliness? How could a subjective attribute be a resultant of punishment? I had a debate with Matt Slick not too long ago and he used the same excuse for non-coding DNA. Also how do you explain the poor design of pre-hominid species? How do you explain colliding galaxies and failing stars pre-hominid? Pre-hominid= Pre-sin correct?
The Fall does satisfy many a scientific person, provided their "religion" is not Darwinism. If by "Pre-Hominid", you mean created only hours before Adam was created than you are correct about "Pre-sin", but I doubt that you mean that. And as for the whole thesis of "poor design" - if that is not subjective it is sheer hubris. Again, read the Bible. It concludes the matter: "The fool has said in his heart 'there is no God'".
Yeam im sure it does, if by "scientific person" you mean abrahamic fundementalists.
Im a fool for not believing in talking snakes and all powerful genocidal maniacs that get scared when people build really tall towers? Because your "holy" books also mention these as if it was fact. Yeah, im a fool, sure...
Yeah, and...how would sin effect animals that are sinless? And how would sin....create animals with digestive tracts fucked up? What were they perfect before hand and then got put back by god due to sin?
Same with the idea of animals not eating each other before sin. How did only some animals become predators? And only those equiped to do so? Why is it that 90-99% of prey species can't eat meat?
I always thought the human jaw was very poorly designed: one lucky punch on the chin, and your enemy is free to slice your throat. Without our intelligence, we'd still be living in trees, too scared to come down. Our brain is really our only advantage over every other animals on this planet, well, at least for some of us...
Fuck wisdom teeth, when I had mine extracted I sent them to a non-signatory of the Geneva Convention to be tortured. Seemed fair after what they did to me.
BTW guys I think the link points back to the same vid complete with annoying background music... is that link working for anyone else?
theperrenialsmartass 9 months ago
the funniest joke that ever was is god
ConfirmingReality 11 months ago
@ConfirmingReality Depending on your mood, it's either the funniest joke or the worst of all.
Ebvardh 3 weeks ago
The inherent logical flaw in your argument is that you are making values judgments about what's "good" or "bad" about how the universe is designed, That inherently makes your argument biased which makes it nonsense to claim you are speaking scientifically. Your not seeing the logic of a design just proves its too complex for you
Texasjim2007 1 year ago
@Texasjim2007 What?? Black holes are objectively bad for life.
Phelan666 1 year ago
1/2 A human genome contains about 3,000,000,000 nucleotide pairs and a bacterium contains about 600,000 pairs. Although we do not know the meaning of the words, sentences, etc., each cell knows how to read the code and only reads the part that is relevant to their type and function. This selective reading process creates many different kinds of cells, such as skin, muscle, neural, and bone cells, all of which develop from many cells of the embryo produced by the growth and division of one cell.
ThoughtGazeCarlos 9 months ago
2/2 the fertilized egg. This is where the fundamental analysis lies... are we literally designed or is this an illusion? An optical one? Is you hand a random accumulation of cells with an illusion to grab, and hold objects, or with its purpose inherent to do such work?
ThoughtGazeCarlos 9 months ago
@Texasjim2007 Or, perhaps there is no such thing as premeditated, all-inclusive design and we can only study what is.
If you mean to say that there's somehow a specific reason for genetic disorders like epidermolysis bullosa (butterfly children), that there's a good reason people are suffering like this everyday for "a good reason", just because they're somehow get a better deal in an imagined next life is non-sense.
Ebvardh 3 weeks ago
Hahaa! All the incredible f&%ktards you find among "creationists".. The user named "JeremiasMezenga" is a Brazilian Nazi, apparently. I had no idea that such people even exist. Look at his channel, it's pretty hilarious.
winterstellar 1 year ago
ABORTED FECES LOLOLOL!!!
elfmotat 1 year ago
Awesome video, and Neil deGrasse Tyson is a great asset to the scientific community. : D
achooothanks 1 year ago 2
Argument of "Bad Design" = Argument of ignorance ;)
JeremiasMezenga 1 year ago
@JeremiasMezenga How?
RestInPieces777 1 year ago
@JeremiasMezenga No, no, no. The argument of Intelligent Design is an argument from ignorance. "You can't prove there's no God, therefore it must be."
We know that the universe is not fine-tuned for life, therefore it is an argument from evidence.
Pomme843 1 year ago
@Pomme843
1. the human eye has a blind spot
2. if an intelligent design created he, there should be no blind spot
3. the "evolution" made it
Argument from ignorance...
"You can't prove there's no God, therefore it must be"??
We are not talking about God.
JeremiasMezenga 1 year ago
@JeremiasMezenga Clearly, you have misunderstood the concept of argumentation from ignorance. We know the eye has a blind spot, and we presume that if an intelligent being created us, it would have done it properly. Thus, evolution is the most viable, established theory. If there was evolution and no "gods" involved, how do you think we came to be?
Pomme843 1 year ago
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@Pomme843 @Pomme843
1. the human eye has a blind spot
2. if an intelligent design created he, there should be no blind spot
3. the "evolution" made it
Argument from ignorance...
"You can't prove there's no God, therefore it must be"??
We are not talking about God.
JeremiasMezenga 1 year ago
The link for video with no background music just loops back here ?
Holy crap that background "music" is irritating.
arghleblargh 1 year ago
I told my friend some of these facts, and his logic was: since everything IS so messed up, and we are still here, that shows that there HAS to be something out there that created / aided our creation or existence. He was convinced that this was good logic. What can I say to him without being offensive? Serious answers only please.
BrettSchall 1 year ago
@BrettSchall they are avoiding the point and will never be convinced. people like he/she operate on a mindset designed with the sole purpose of never changing their mind. thats what i have learned from creationists, i have learned to accept their ignorance because they are simply programmed to validate their beliefs and ignore any contradictions.
phishUMup 1 year ago
But please still clarify what your opinion of the big bang is.
I'd like to know.
TataRoids 1 year ago
@TataRoids
"big bang"
Any honest physicist will tell you the truth: we do not know. So far we are unable to tell exactly what happened, we can only theorize up till a fraction of a second after it then even math fails us. (pretty much like you can tell 1/000.1=1000 but 1/0=?). Given the fact however, that the universe itself is not "nothing" and even the void has certain properties (zero point energy) I think the bb was simply a point were dimensions changed and time began.
kyagh 1 year ago
@kyagh I know, the big bang makes sense up to a point.
I've just heard so many people saying the big bang was absolutely what happened.
TataRoids 1 year ago
I am going to just stop here.
You arn't going to listen to my opinions either way.
TataRoids 1 year ago
@TataRoids
Even if you remove the posts i still see them. I told you to go take a physics 1 class then we can talk again about the entropy of the universe.
You also assumed einstein believed in a deist god, and said "even einstein realized it was impossible the universe was not created" that is false, ridiculous, and insulting.
You are trying to say Religion could be taken seriously by science, were science by definition ignores wishful thinking, that's for philosophy.
kyagh 1 year ago
@kyagh Well then you are argueing with the wrong person.
I am 16 years old.
Go find a more educated creationist.
But the part about einstein was true, he believes the universe didn't happen by chance, but that it was created.
Research it.
TataRoids 1 year ago
@TataRoids
"you aren't going to listen to my opinions"
You are right, I am not if you clearly show that your opinions are based on common mistakes and clear creationist propaganda. In fact I've already listened to "your" opinion much more than it deserved, I've already listened to it dozens of times and i am growing tired of morons with no basic education spouting nonsense copy pasted from the same site trying to look intelligent.
kyagh 1 year ago
@kyagh What site are you talking about?
I'll let you know I havn't copy pasted at all.
Besides the definition of theory.
TataRoids 1 year ago
@TataRoids
"nothing somehow exploded and created something"
^ the only people i hear this from are creationists retards.
"Go find a more educated creationist"
^ Let me know if you ever find one....
"I'm 16 years old"
If you haven't even heard of entropy in your high school science class yet, why were you arguing about it? Simply for the fact that everything an "evolutionist" says is a lie?
kyagh 1 year ago
@kyagh I believe in evolution.
But I don't think it all happened by chance.
I am fairly sure there is a superior being, perfect or not.
TataRoids 1 year ago
@TataRoids well on the other end, i think that evolution happens because life always find a way forexample even when the meteors hit the earth killing many species some species stayed and lived on. if there was a superior being conducting it, there wouldn't be mass extinctions of species ect...
Atheist603 1 year ago
@Atheist603 Maybe the superior being didn't want them to survive? Like a creation you don't approve of. You tear it down to scratch and restart.
TataRoids 1 year ago
@Atheist603 I'll never know the reason, but I still know it makes much more sense for there to be a superior being and not that this "all happened by chance".
It's to perfect for it to happen by chance.
TataRoids 1 year ago
@TataRoids well that's what beliefs are, eventhough there aren't evidence for such thing, u always go with what makes sense for you,and forget that there are certain things that the human brain can picture. I mean even if the superior being is there, where does it come from? did it just pop out? etc... well it's ok to believe w/e u wanna believe but i care about the truth.
Atheist603 1 year ago
@TataRoids well that's what beliefs are, even though there aren't evidence for such thing, u always go with what makes sense for you,and forget that there are certain things that the human brain can't picture. I mean even if there was superior being , where does it come from? did it just pop out? etc... well it's ok to believe w/e u wanna believe but i care about the truth.
Atheist603 1 year ago
@Atheist603 How is a creation created if not by a creator?
Same questions can be asked of how the universe began.
Popped out of nowhere?
primeval atom?
Cosmic egg?
Either way it's wishful thinking. I care about the truth, But if I can't find a solid enough answer I go with what is more possible.
TataRoids 1 year ago
@TataRoids lol why do you need an answer so badly?? and cuz you can't think of something else, u'd ratha jus jump to conclusion that a god did it out of thin air using magic. lol how did he create matter? it's better to say that idk instead of just making assumptions. would it kill you if you don't kno the answer right now? and if there was a creator where did he come from? what was behind it/him/her?
Atheist603 1 year ago
@Atheist603 Did I say I knew?
No, stop jumping to conlcusions. I am just pointing out things.
Also, I never said I believed in any "God" again with jumping to conclusions.
I don't know, I am just showing you theories.
It is just what makes most sense to me, that a superior being (Whom I don't know where he came from) created us.
TataRoids 1 year ago
@TataRoids well, i get ur point, but what evidence support ur theory then? and if you answer a mystery with a mystery how does that fully answer ur question?
Atheist603 1 year ago
@Atheist603 I have none, but it's just one of the theorys that atleast make partial sense to me. It partially explains how we came about.
I honestly don't know about any of this, I just have theories.
TataRoids 1 year ago
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@TataRoids "Either way it's wishful thinking. I care about the truth, But if I can't find a solid enough answer I go with what is more possible." Not really, you replace one question that you can't possibly have any idea about with an answer from someone who can't possibly know anything about it. What caused our universe can not be answered at present.
TheSpankymonkey 1 year ago
@kyagh "You are right, I am not if you clearly show that your opinions are based on common mistakes and clear creationist propaganda."
Wait, so I have to show you that my opinions are mistakes and propaganda? Lol.
Also, arn't all these videos athiest propaganda?
TataRoids 1 year ago
@TataRoids
"i have to show you"
Please Re-read your post then my post. You say "you are not going to care about my opinions" I say "you are right because they are not your opinions but simple propaganda someone put in your brain" You don't need to prove me anything, I'm simply telling you that i an getting tired of hearing "your opinion" over and over and over, which is as much insolent as it is ignorant.
"the videos are atheist propaganda"
At least they are not factually wrong.
kyagh 1 year ago
@kyagh I have seen that are factually wrong. I have also seen creationist videos that are atleast partially factually correct.
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TataRoids 1 year ago
Two words. Divine order.
No matter what you say about useless muscle functions and unstable colliding galaxies, it all works out. If theres a creation there is a creator.
Tell me when you can devise a more perfect universe.
TataRoids 1 year ago
@TataRoids
"divine order"
One word: entropy. (remember? dS/dt > 0? Divine chaos?)
"it all works out."
Umm yeah, find one part in thousands of orders of magnitude that works and it ALL WORKS out. Tell you what i sell you a 10 megapixel color camera which has only one pixel working, you'd buy it? The efficency of that camera is way greater than the efficency of the universe for the purpouse you're implying yet i doubt you would buy it, unless you're very dumb... oh sorry bad example...
kyagh 1 year ago
@kyagh Come again, "find one part in thousands of orders of magnitude"? Are you talking about life on earth? or what?
Cause i'll let you know the universe is in perfect sync. I don't see Astronomers and astro-physicists coming to me and telling me that there is a single galaxy or solar system that is not abiding by the laws of physics and such.
The efficiency of the universe is perfect, it does its job.
Life is insignificiant, when put on the cosmic scale.
Oh wait, divine order. it all works
TataRoids 1 year ago
@TataRoids
"The efficiency of the universe is perfect"
Oh yeah sorry i forgot you know the meaning of life and the meaning of the universe. Sorry i was unaware i was talking to Buddah...
"it does its job"
and what would be the job of the universe oh great Buddah?
kyagh 1 year ago
@kyagh Does the Universe expand? Does the universe ever do something that isn't for a solid reason?
I never claimed to know the meaning of life, nor the universe.
Just from the knowledge i've learned.
Maybe you should go into astronomy before argueing about this.
TataRoids 1 year ago
@TataRoids
You keep stating general culture anectodes, yet you claim the universe does something for a reason. If you do not know what the reason is how can you claim there is a reason for what the universe does? You are being vague, elaborate. How do you tell that the universe has a reason? If the universe has a reason what would a universe without a reason look like or do then? How do you measure the "efficency of the universe" that you stated earlier? Care to define that too?
kyagh 1 year ago
@kyagh I never claimed to know the origin and meaning of the universe.
I'm sorry for being vauge.
Also by efficiency of the universe I was referring to how fast it is expanding and how vast the cosmic array is.
It does its job at expanding. Is what i'm saying, and I don't see any galaxies or solar systems and such disobeying the laws of physics.
So I am also saying that the universe is not in such chaos as you supposed to the 1 out of 1000 ratio.
TataRoids 1 year ago
@TataRoids
"disobeying the laws of physics"
The same laws which dictate that the whole universe will tend to total chaos?
Expansion is not order, on the contrary, expansions causes disorder. You told me to take astronomy, well i tell you, go take physics 1 (expecially thermodynamics) before trying to deal with astrophysics.
kyagh 1 year ago
@kyagh What laws that dictacte the universe will tend to chaos?
Do you see chaos?
I guess I will have to go take phyisics 1.
But could you explain this to me?
TataRoids 1 year ago
@TataRoids
The entropy of the universe must always increase.
(second law of TD)
In almost every transofmation of energy there is a component that becomes low temperature heat, that quantity of energy increases the entropy of the universe. By the end of times there are only two scenarios, the universe keeps expanding and it will become just a huge ball of cold gas (chaos) or everything will collapse under gravity (order).So far we calculate that the universe does not have enough mass for order.
kyagh 1 year ago
@kyagh With every transfer of energy there is a give off of cold and a give off of heat.
Either way it balances out. Eventually with yet again another transfer of energy.
TataRoids 1 year ago
@TataRoids
Order and chaos must be defined first. For example given a certain space and 4 molecules of gas what configuration is the more ordered and what is the more chaotic? The more chaotic is the one where they are randomly distributed around the whole space, the more ordered is the one where they are all located in a small space. I see disorder in the universe, galaxies spread all over the place in a very disordered fashion rather than all patched togheter.
kyagh 1 year ago
@kyagh if galaxies were all patched together that would be even more chaotic.
Galaxies revolve around something even though we cannot pin point what and we cannot pin point our revolutions(theory). For example the milky way is going to collide with andromeda in approximately 3billion years. The space between galaxies is well needed for these revolutions around the variable.
If there was no variable and there was no space, imagine the chaos.
TataRoids 1 year ago
@TataRoids
The one about galaxies is a complete mess, order is not arbitrary, I'm sorry, it is a matter of probabilities, yes even if it seems disordered to you that all galaxies are togheter in a small quantity of space rather than scattered over distances.
The stuff about the variable is nonsense, what variable? Revolutions around the variable? I don't need to imagine the chaos, that post is caothic enough.
kyagh 1 year ago
@kyagh What post is "caothic"??
TataRoids 1 year ago
@TataRoids
"The space between galaxies is well needed for these revolutions around the variable.
If there was no variable and there was no space, imagine the chaos."
^That makes no sense and the rest of the post is wrong.
kyagh 1 year ago
@kyagh It actually does make sense... lol. compacted galaxies would crash into each other and black holes would merge and destroy them.
TataRoids 1 year ago
@TataRoids
"does make sense" 1)Whats the variable about?
2) The entropy of a small universe is much smaller than that of a greater universe. "chaos" in physics is not as loosely defined as you make it. A black hole is indeed an object that creates order by concentrating matter using the work done by the force of gravity. Order is not defined as that which enables pretty shapes to arise or that which allows life to form, if you want to argue that it's another topic.
kyagh 1 year ago
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TataRoids 1 year ago
THE MUSIC SUCKS! this video would be awesomer if the background music was a bit lower
Saber10inch 1 year ago
Let´s see if i got this guy´s ideas right.
1. Our design is stupid because we have illnesses, birth defects and die?
What does he want? Immortal people?, Then the planet would be overpopulated since many years ago with many more problems than today. 2. The universe is hostile having many things that might kill us. CORRECT. Then isn´t it miraculous
we´re not only alive but on a blissly beautiful planet up to now unique?
Rigelcentauri58 2 years ago
@Rigelcentauri58 We die because of mistakes in our "design" that is not illness that is something newborn kids have to suffer. Down syndrome and others prohibits many innocent children from having a normal happy life. If your god is truly behind all this the only explaination is that he is WICKED.
kyagh 1 year ago
@kyagh Well , Do answer this honestly: Why do many people blame
God for bad events happening in their lifes? instead of maturely saying, ¨this is my fault¨ , or someone else´s fault and has affecetd me .
He is a Scientist, not a magician, designed us intelligently , not neccesarily meaning perfect, for perfection only belongs to him.
Sorry, we have to deal with flaws, many of them caused by ourselves.
God is a victim too, and He cries with you when something sad happens.
Rigelcentauri58 1 year ago
@Rigelcentauri58 If people praise god for good things why shouldn't they ahte him for bad things?Most christians think god=good things happen Satan=bad things happen but that is merely ignorance of the bible... Afterall god is omnipotent and therefore everything satan does he wants to let him do it or he would stop him. If god is perfect god's creations are perfect or he would be an imperfect creator impossible because god is perfect.
kyagh 1 year ago
@kyagh Well my friend: I believe satan is not needed in this planet for there are people so malevolent that he´d be astonished to hear about. But According to your understanding and your longing for perfection, could you describe me how a perfect Humanity would be?, Would it biologicaly be possible?
Rigelcentauri58 1 year ago
@Rigelcentauri58 I am not longing for perfection, your religion is and in the process it creates so many contraddictions in itself that it is astonishing how intelligent people are still following it. Satan not needed? Are you trying to say earthquackes tsunamis hurricanes vulcanic eruptions plagues and pestilences are caused by human sin? Oh my if i masturbate now will i cause another earthquake? XD
kyagh 1 year ago
@kyagh , Nature is intelligent, its phenomena are well planned to sustain life , and of course, earthquakes do no happen because someone masturbates, in fact we arrived at this planet just on the right time. Had we arrived earlier and radiation and volcanic activitry would´ve been too intense: too late would mean living without nutrient-rich volcanic soils. That´s only one example of many ¨chances¨happening at the same time, that keep us humans alive as a race up-to-now.
Rigelcentauri58 1 year ago
@Rigelcentauri58 Yeah thats one example of many chances and it would be indeed astonishing if the earth was the only planet of the universe it would indeed prove that the universe was made for this. But how many planets are there in the universe? With more than 80 billion galaxies in a span of 46 billion light years each containing up to billions of suns? Let's not say that the space which we see is homogenous and thus indicating that the universe extends well beyond our event horizon.
kyagh 1 year ago
@kyagh It´s easy to speculate and let the mind wonder since our capacity to imagine is huge, However , intelligent life is a rarity in our Universe. I don´t know if earth is unique in sustaining it but, if there are more, they must be scarce. Since the Big bang, almost 13.8 billion years have passed. With such a long time, so many billions of stars and planets and supposely so many ïntelligences¨ around, Where are they?? , up to now 300 extrasolar planets seen and nothing.
Rigelcentauri58 1 year ago
@Rigelcentauri58 "why isn´t there life all over the solar system?" the solar system could very well be brimming with bacterial life. Mars has vast underground structures, titan has an atmosphere and lakes of liquid nitrogen, europa has an ocean of liquid water under its ice crust and plenty of volcanic activity, Io also has plenty of volcanic activity very similary to the first stages of the earth. Stating that there is no life in the solar system just because we haven't found it is stupid.
kyagh 1 year ago
@kyagh I am well aware of the geological composition of those places, and I understand your optimism. I wish also we could find extreterrestrial life anywhere in the cosmos , intelligent life if possible, but I agree with Enrico Fermi when he sated "if they are real, where are they? Just imagine we got in contact with them.
Our flags and some parts of our history would be shameful.
Rigelcentauri58 1 year ago
@Rigelcentauri58 "if they are real, where are they?" I dunno about you but how much of this world's life is intelligent? for more than 3 billion years earth only had simple unicellular life. Chemestry of other worlds may not permit multicellular life let alone intelligent life. Just because we haven't found someone with pointy ears going "live long and prosper", doesn't mean we can't find life on other planets.
kyagh 1 year ago
@Rigelcentauri58 It's phenomena are well planned to sustain life? It would be the same as saying that water is made to fit a glass... you're doing it the opposite way. It's life that adapted to earth not the other way around, life is incredibly adaptive we have even discovered micro organisms living in all sort of extreme places they are called EXTREMOPHILES.
kyagh 1 year ago
@kyagh The only problem with your example is that glass is not naturally made.
Now: If life is so incredibly adaptative and ¨easy to bloom¨, why isn´t there life all over the solar system??, at least on places we can prove like the Moon, Mars, Venus, , Titan etc. The answer is easy.
Rigelcentauri58 1 year ago
@Rigelcentauri58 Life has requirements, one of which is having a chemestry that enables the formation of long chains of polimers. Having a temperature or pressure that would reduce anything to gas makes life as we know it impossible, it's simple chemestry.
kyagh 1 year ago
@kyagh Abiogenesis is not a proven fact.
Rigelcentauri58 1 year ago
@Rigelcentauri58 abiogenesis is not a proven fact because we lack the ability to have a few billion tons of sample going at the same time for a few billion years. However it is a proven fact that all the elements were there and abundant, and not only on earth, peptides and amino acids have been found trough spectroscopy to be common in the cosmos. It is also known that processes which use simple chemistry can give rise to life in multiple ways, we are simply not sure which way is right.
kyagh 1 year ago
@kyagh Thanks for saying I am right!!. If you are in science you know that a phenomena must be proven, not only once , but many times , obtaining the same result in order to be considered a fact. Otherwise, it must remain as a theory, hypothesis or "the most probable cause" Be careful: stating "simple chemistry can give rise to life in multiple ways" is adventured and could be ridiculous when asked for a objetive demostration.
Rigelcentauri58 1 year ago
@Rigelcentauri58 "when asked for a objetive demostration."
See hypercicles.
kyagh 1 year ago
@kyagh I wll, thank you.
Rigelcentauri58 1 year ago
@Rigelcentauri58
"must remain as a theory, hypothesis"
The gravity theory? The electromagnetism theory? The germ theory? The atomic theory? The evolution theory?
Theory =/= hypothesis, a concept creationists are apparently too dumb to understand...
kyagh 1 year ago
@kyagh The problem with you youngsters is that they don't teach etymologies at school anymore; The greek word "theorein" (Theory) means to contemplate. Look your dictionary you' ll find its definition is: "Group of speculative principles, opposed to practice , that form the rational knowledge of a science". By the way; Gravity is a law and so are other laws you mention. Do study semantics also.
Rigelcentauri58 1 year ago
@Rigelcentauri58
The germ law? I'd love to hear you elaborate on this one....
The atomic law? Same here....
kyagh 1 year ago
@Rigelcentauri58 Like i said it's inside your doctrine that god is omnieverything yet they are silly attributes that kids give to their superheroes. Can god make a boulder so heavy he cannot lift? There omnipotence is disproved, yet it is claimed that your god IS omnipotent. These should be the misteries of faith, not jesus resurrecting because afterall dead people walking at that time was quite common!
kyagh 1 year ago
@kyagh This comment is not worth an answer. however , your second one is, please follow.
Rigelcentauri58 1 year ago
@Rigelcentauri58
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kyagh 1 year ago
Ha! I love the comments here. I find it hilarious that so many people take the stance that religion is there to deal with the questions science 'can't answer'. Firstly; this is a gross underestimation of the capability of science. Secondly; religion doesn't 'deal' with ANY of these questions - it's all pure conjecture, fuelled by wish-thinking. There wouldn't even be computers or fibre-optic cables to enable these people to propagate their bullshit if it weren't for science.
moekelok 2 years ago 2
@moekelok And to "propegate their bullshit if it weren't for science". With religion gives man the curiousity to leap forward in science side by side wtih religion.
Take Isaac newton for example, his mind was 400 years ahead of his time. The discoveries he made are wonderous to us even today, and guess what.
He did it all with a christian based mind set. You shouldn't be so quick to say that religion is bullshit. Cause after all it is just a theory. Just like this ignorant "stupid design" vid
TataRoids 1 year ago
@TataRoids
I'd like you to stop quoting "christian scientists" that lived in an epoch where you were either christian or burned at the stake.
"with energy transfer there is a give off of cold and a give off of heat"
a give off of... cold? XD umm you're way off, heat is not cold or hot, temperature is. What i tried to explain you is with every energy transformation (cinetic to potential, electric to cinetic, chemical to electric etc...) some energy is lost as heat and CANNOT be used.
kyagh 1 year ago
@kyagh cinetic? lol
When there is cold there is just an absence of heat.
The universe would try to reach equillibrium and it would regain. Ever heard of absolute zero?
Not even humans can reach it with their technologoy.
Also, do some research on Sir Isaac Newton. Youll be surprised that he was very very religious.
He wasn't hiding behind his religion for the fear of his life, he loved it.
TataRoids 1 year ago
@TataRoids
LOL. Religion is NOT a theory. The word theory would imply that it has some basis in fact, which it does not. Religion is wish-thought. Perhaps you should look up the scientific definition of the word 'theory', as it differs from your understanding of the word.
Newton's religious beliefs are up for debate. Also, there are plenty of scientists who do just fine without religion, Stephen Hawking being one of them.
moekelok 1 year ago
@moekelok Theory- "A set of statements or principles devised to explain a group of facts or phenomena, especially one that has been repeatedly tested or is widely accepted and can be used to make predictions about natural phenomena."
Nice try, no FACT involved. Religion is a theory, think about it.
There are also plenty of scientists who do fine WITH religion. ALso einstien had no personal god, but he knew the impossibility of a non-created universe.
TataRoids 1 year ago
@TataRoids
Einstein was proven wrong on many things, for example he said "god does not play dice" in skepticism of Heisenberg's principle, that principle is now widely accepted as the basis of quantum mechanics and even your computer works because of it.
Religion is not a theory: neither "that has been repeatedly tested" nor "can be used to make predictions about natural phenomena" are true. Well the first is partially true if you count all the tests that demonstrated the futility of prayer...
kyagh 1 year ago
@kyagh Especailly "one that has been repeatedly tested, or WIDELY accepted."
God is widely accepted, it qualifies as a theory.
Hell the big bang is widely accepted and most people believe it is the beginning of the universe.
When it clearly states that something(a primeval atom) came from nothing and created everything.
TataRoids 1 year ago
@TataRoids
"You can't bring somene down" That was not my intention, i was showing you that
1) Arguments from authority are a fallacy
2) People can be wrong
3) Quote mining is just a desperate attempt to seek credit for a position even you no longer have confidence in defending.
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TataRoids 1 year ago
@TataRoids
"or WIDELY accepted."
It is widely accepted according to recent pools in america that it is in fact the sun that goes around the earth and not the other way around. The pool showed that about 50% of americans believe so. Does that mean our knowledge of astronomy since 1600 is wrong?
No.
Ad popolum arguments are a fallacy and do not estabilish any truth, only the ignorance of the population.
You are still missing "can be used to make predictions on the natural world" part.
kyagh 1 year ago
@TataRoids
"something came from nothing and created everything"
If that is your interpretation of the big bang then i am as skeptical to it as you are. However your appeal to ridicule fallacy does not work because that is merely a strawman argument that you copy pasted from creationists websites. One that i grow tired of hearing.
Let me ask you, Have ALL the physicistsof the world forgotten what they learned in physics 1(ThermoDyn.)? Or perhaps it is you who misunderstands their prepositions?
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TataRoids 1 year ago
@kyagh Also, einstein may have been wrong on some things, who hasn't been?
You can't bring somene down on the few mistakes they made compared to the giant contribution they made humanity.
TataRoids 1 year ago
@TataRoids
Well done, that IS the correct definition. Biological evolution is the 'group of facts' in this case. The theory of evolution takes the demonstrable observable evolutionary phenomena in our world, such as speciation (Parapatric, Sympatric, Peripatric, Allopatric, etc.), and attempts to explain them. There is some controversy, BUT it is only centered around phenomena such as sexual selection, natural selection, etc. and the comparative prevalence of the roles they play in evolution.
moekelok 1 year ago
@TataRoids
Now, for religion. Religion is not a theory (not even close) for many reasons. None of the phenomena religion claims to deal with have ever been objectively demonstrated or observed and thus are not accepted as actual facts - hence the terms, FAITH and BELIEF. No religion has EVER successfully made an accurate, detailed prediction about the natural world. For a theory you need to start with a group of FACTS - religion has never, ever concerned itself with fact, only faith.
moekelok 1 year ago
@TataRoids
Lastly, the religiosity of scientists is utterly irrelevant to their work. Yes, there are examples of eminent scientists who are religious. Francis Collins is a popular example - his work on the mapping of the human genome is beyond reproach. Does he use god in chemical equations? No. Did he factor god into his work in ANY way whatsoever? NO. Scientists do not mix their beliefs with their work, because superstition has NO PLACE and NO USE in the lab - that's what CHURCHES are for.
moekelok 1 year ago
how is this video stupid it makes perfect scene why would a god create bad things for his creation? because of sin? LOL
starlogic99 2 years ago
This is man once again struggling to understand what he does not understand, in this case his physical world, and out of frustration he judges his physical world with ridicule.
There is a bigger picture to the design of our universe and to call it unintelligent because we can't make sense of it is arrogant and ignorant.
MrM2theX 2 years ago
Oh? And I suppose YOU understand the world better than scientists do? This is a good example of the arrogance of IDers; that you think you know more about the universe from sitting in your armchair and reading an old book than scientists who spend their whole lives researching and experimenting. The only 'bigger picture' here is that of a runaway scam called religion where any critical examination is met with ad hoc apologetics.
califoniania 2 years ago
It may not look like or even be Intelligent design BUT because it's beyond our understanding at the time calling it "stupid design" is stupid. It'd be more valid if it was referred to as "enigmatic design" or "mystery" ex... And yeah religion is a problem that arises to deal with these enigma's.
MrM2theX 2 years ago
To make up supernatural explanations for what we don't know and then shove them down everyone's throat is the height of arrogance and willful ignorance. It's willful ignorance by definition because you claim some god made designed everything and then when we want to test your idea, you claim this god thing cannot be tested, thereby removing any possible inquiry. Not only that, but IDers have no criteria for detecting design so even ignoring the god problem, ID is a non-starter.
califoniania 2 years ago
MrM2theX-all of our ideas and premises about the universe and ourselves and meaning all come from a human perspective, and we for better or worse are kinda stuck with it. and for human beings, to try and find a way to describe this universe we live in if it was indeed created or assembled or designed, i think its perfectly reasonable to feel that a universe that is super duper deadly 98% of the time and is full of inefficient life reproduction is a poorly designed/constructed/assembled universe
freneticamnesica 2 years ago
HA are you for reals man oh didnt mean to hurt your feelings Bambi. When did I ever say I understand the world better than scientist do? uh... NEVER. or mabe you replied to the wrong comment. I gave my opinion and thats what people do here and if I offended you Im Not sorry. Good luck with that PMS hun
MrM2theX 2 years ago
You claim to know something that has eluded scientists for millenia: a knowledge that there is an intelligent designer. Now, plenty of scientists BELIEVE in a god, but none of them claim to have scientifically validated knowledge of one, yet, IDers do. And, this god thing is (supposedly) the explanation for everything. Therefore, you think you know more than the best scientists. Also, your ad-homs only serve to make you look immature and highlight the fact that you do not actually have a case.
califoniania 2 years ago
Hey kid quit blabbering me with your dogmatic accusations. I have never once claimed a "God" was the answer. The only one here showing willful ignorance is you. I have no quarrel with IDers either for anyone is entitled to their own opinions and I, nor YOU or scientist KNOW if ID is true or not. That's a fact. Anything that is beyond our understanding comes down to theory and belief.
Take your Atheist diction elsewhere and cry about it to someone else.
MrM2theX 2 years ago
Youre replying with false clause. My ad-homs emphasize how much you sound like a fuckn idiot.
MrM2theX 2 years ago
Fuck off troll.
califoniania 2 years ago
Haha "troll" Thanks for proving my point dipshit. Now go waste someone else's time.
MrM2theX 2 years ago
Wow you proved evolution.
GodGuided 2 years ago
This Video is pure stupidity
kelikumassah 2 years ago
we human beings are finished if we destroy this planet she is our mother we are made from her she has nourished us thaught us how to adapt and survive now some humans are destroying her with overexploitation leaving the planet devastated a wasteland for hungry orphans
preacain 2 years ago
The version the is supposed to be without the music, still has the music, fyi.
timoz26 2 years ago
I don't get this video, if they are trying to bash bible...then they terribly failed, because according to bible all what you see now is the cause of sin. So i don't get this whole thing about "stupid design" then. In the beginning everything was perfect but after sin curse came onto earth. I am not christian but read bible few times out of curiosity so i can actually argue with people about christianity. Not like most of the morons on this planet have NO CLUE whats written in the bible.
slivovich 2 years ago
You are working under a really silly assumption that the bible is correct. You cannot just read the bible and claim to know about Christianity, you have to study its origins, translations, and authors. I suggest picking up Asimov's guide to the bible, it is excellent. Back to the point. The whole Adam and Eve story is clearly allegory, it did not start there. Even if I did except the thesis that sin caused it that is a really dumb excuse. Sin caused colliding galaxies and useless muscles?
TheEvolutionGuys 2 years ago 3
But Christianity basis are in the bible. And this is clearly bash on bible, well too bad bible has answer for it. If it would be bash on something else then it's different.
slivovich 2 years ago
@TheEvolutionGuys . Would you be so kind to let me know which muscles are useless?
Rigelcentauri58 1 year ago
@Rigelcentauri58 "which muscles"
The plantaris muscle located in the plant of our feet. It has disappeared in a ood porition of the population and is often harvested for material during operations.
The occipitalis minor which is a muscle that used to control movements of our ears also has disappeared in an abundant portion of the population.
These are the two i remember, there are other muscles as well as a great number of other vestigial organs (wisdom teeth, appendix, etc..)
kyagh 1 year ago
@kyagh You put the situation as if, cavemen had plantaris muscle, but now some people don't. That is wrong. Those small organic changes have always existed. Every organ in our body has a function, some vital, some quasi, but all of them do. Plantaris m. helps walking and strengthens Achilles tendon when running. You can live without it? yes, just as you can live without a tiny finger. There are no vestigial organs, only people's IGNORANCE of anatomy and physiology
Rigelcentauri58 1 year ago
@Rigelcentauri58
The function of the plantaris muscle in primates was to let them grab trees and objects with their feet. Since we no longer need such function it is disappearing in our population. BTW do you have an attention deficency disorder? You should check the comment history before writing your comments as you ended up ignoring what i asked you. I wanted you to delucidate me on the supposed existance of an atmoic law, not the lame bullshit you got off answersingenesis or w\e site.
kyagh 1 year ago
@kyagh It seems We will never come to an agreement won't we?. I shall not contradict you this time, and since hard words such as 'bullshit" are beggining to be used I propose we quit. Anyway ,it is always good to dialoge with someone who does not think the same one does . Try not to believe everything you read or hear. I weish you well, Live long and prosper.
Rigelcentauri58 1 year ago
@Rigelcentauri58 "try not to believe everything you read or hear"
That's ridiculous coming from a theist. Try practicing what you're preaching... if you aren't an hypocrite.
kyagh 1 year ago
Good stuff , thank you.
SocialDeviant77 2 years ago
i couldn't see an intelligent entity doing this, but i could see how they could arise as a tradeoff in natural selection.
EricZombie 2 years ago
One great example of stupid design is this video—made with ROCK music! And not only that, rock music that drowns out the vocal. Thus we know this video wasn't created by an omni-everything supernatural being!
ApplyUrBrain 2 years ago
I'm sorry so many of you dislike the music, I had no problem hearing the audio so I kept it in. We put up a version with no background music, what else do you want?
TheEvolutionGuys 2 years ago
aborted feces lol. This would be a fantastic video if that music wasn't so loud. I think it shouldn't be there at all. But great video anyway hehe.
blue1spiral 2 years ago
We have a version up with no background music.
TheEvolutionGuys 2 years ago
LOL @ CREATIONISM
sexwithchickens 2 years ago
Too bad the music ruins this post.
DanNWT 2 years ago
There is a version with no background music up.
TheEvolutionGuys 2 years ago
So what's the verdict? Music out completely? Just too loud? Or is it alright?
As far as what the actual music is I am really limited as to what I can put it. Most music is unusable under copyright.
TheEvolutionGuys 2 years ago
It's too loud. Great video though. It's just difficult to hear through the music. No music, or quieter music. Either way, it's what is being said that I am interested in.
Alexicutioner 2 years ago 2
Amen. Thank you for this.
BigStr8Al 2 years ago
Good vid, but the music is too loud. I can't hear what they're saying.
easyeasy900 2 years ago
Good information but the music has to go
C0mm0nS3ns3 2 years ago 2
Yeah, the music is great, but in this case, annoying
zildjiangirl69 2 years ago
Yeah...my god your right...no single egineer or god could create all this....tehre must be a entire horde, of evil anti intelligent design egineeres making these things!!! my non existant god save us!!!!
wolfwing1 2 years ago
Great video too :>
wolfwing1 2 years ago
do we really need the heavy metal music?
Matthew6verse5 2 years ago
Absolutely!
LeftMetal2008 2 years ago
I know it's bad to laugh when those fetuses came up, but aborted faeces? Lol bad slip of the tongue there.
flurble33 2 years ago
this is stupid...
daveheet 2 years ago
Sin - the Fall - Isn't THAT part of the "context"? The doctrine of an imperfect, fallen creation is as old as orthodox Judaism and Christianity. All this video proves is that advocates of Intelligent Design are being stupid if they don't also factor sin and God's punishment of His fallen creation into the equation. All ugliness in Creation is the result of the Fall. Read the Bible.
jcnaumann 2 years ago
Well that isn't really satisfying to any scientific person. Also beauty is subjective so what do you mean by ugliness? How could a subjective attribute be a resultant of punishment? I had a debate with Matt Slick not too long ago and he used the same excuse for non-coding DNA. Also how do you explain the poor design of pre-hominid species? How do you explain colliding galaxies and failing stars pre-hominid? Pre-hominid= Pre-sin correct?
TheEvolutionGuys 2 years ago
So... something's bad, it MUST be the fall.
Yeah that (no evidence) or all of the explanation science gives. I wonder which is right...
flurble33 2 years ago
The Fall does satisfy many a scientific person, provided their "religion" is not Darwinism. If by "Pre-Hominid", you mean created only hours before Adam was created than you are correct about "Pre-sin", but I doubt that you mean that. And as for the whole thesis of "poor design" - if that is not subjective it is sheer hubris. Again, read the Bible. It concludes the matter: "The fool has said in his heart 'there is no God'".
jcnaumann 2 years ago
"'"The fool has said in his heart 'there is no God'". ""
Hey bible-dork,
Do you have any idea how many times we've seen reli-muppets like you spew that little fairytale quote in here?
It doesn't get anymore convincing in the telling, you preaching moron.
sonykroket 2 years ago
""Again, read the Bible.""
Again, who gives a shit about that comicbook?
You cant prove the bible with the bible, you clown.
sonykroket 2 years ago
Yeam im sure it does, if by "scientific person" you mean abrahamic fundementalists.
Im a fool for not believing in talking snakes and all powerful genocidal maniacs that get scared when people build really tall towers? Because your "holy" books also mention these as if it was fact. Yeah, im a fool, sure...
flurble33 2 years ago
Yeah, and...how would sin effect animals that are sinless? And how would sin....create animals with digestive tracts fucked up? What were they perfect before hand and then got put back by god due to sin?
Same with the idea of animals not eating each other before sin. How did only some animals become predators? And only those equiped to do so? Why is it that 90-99% of prey species can't eat meat?
wolfwing1 2 years ago 2
more videos on stupid design please
khoavuong 2 years ago
great video, the god must be a moron to create something so stupid. this video is a creationist's nightmare just one of the many, 5stars and faved
edmondsridantes 2 years ago
I always thought the human jaw was very poorly designed: one lucky punch on the chin, and your enemy is free to slice your throat. Without our intelligence, we'd still be living in trees, too scared to come down. Our brain is really our only advantage over every other animals on this planet, well, at least for some of us...
FallenAngel0fDoom 2 years ago
In fairness, creationists do breate and talk through different holes.....
Erech01 2 years ago 5
LOL
Well said!
lucidatheist 2 years ago
ahhhhhh hahahahahahaha
good one erech01
many LOL`s
fuckingghey 2 years ago
HA, EAT THAT, CREATIONISTS!
parodyking23 2 years ago