Systema PTWS Promotional Video part 1

[thatbeastmodeguy]

affordable

oh wait nevermind

[yakov292]

Bullshit! With 1000$ I can buy a real m16

[bullmeatt]

for law enforcement it is affordable is what they are saying. Instead of getting modified firearms to shoot simunition rounds

[bf2lover42]

@junnshiyui And the military use blank firing adaptors with IR tagging devices. You're wrong. Good day to you, sir.

[bf2lover42]

@junnshiyui Rubber bullets? BULLSHIT. A rubber bullet can still cause injuries and, while unlikely, can cause death (shots in the neck, crushed ribs).

Also, paintballs need washing. For certain places airsoft is used because it doesn't stain.

[TheGrahamAker]

I lold hard at affordable.

[bobiana289]

@TheRickIRL What makes it worse is it was an airsoft PTW. FAIL

[Amrraa]

Ther is on one e~Bay , right now go get it !!!!

[deltafreelancer]

Airsoft or Simunition? hmm, an officer was killed accidentally when a live round was mixed in the simunition round.

[iRollAllDay]

At CQB city located in Stockton, California they do law enforcement training on the weekdays for various offices.

[DatGuyWhoDidDatTing]

And its only $1600. :0

[theone031]

@junnshiyui You don't know what you are talking about. Law enforcement does train with airsoft guns. Crawl out of your cave!

[adamdavidsson]

did i hear systema and affordable in the same sentence? someone hit me i think i heard wrong.

[Jatodude1]

You guys are idiots. The barrel diameter is 6.10mm in these old Systema's. They only included 6.04mm after the 2008 generation PTW.

[0mgwtfbbq21]

is it true that some of the military trains with these and the law enforcement?

[andromedarr]

@0mgwtfbbq21 Marines train with it

[Peter421]

It smells real? Damn

[shamone23]

yes, plastic 0.2g BBs are not really re-useable.

There are ceramic BBs out there though...which are reu-useable.

However, they do not cost $15 for 5000 or whatever he said.

So yes, he is giving out some crap advice.

[andromedarr]

@shamone23 you should not use any BB. Every BB can be dirty (even ceramic) and can jam^^

[christower50]

@shamone23 15$ for 5000 is expensive? lol

[shamone23]

@christower50 I do not understand your comment. It would probably help if you elaborated as opposed to saying random unintelligible stuff.

[christower50]

@shamone23 Ummm its kind of obvious what i was saying. 15$ for 5000 bb's is not expensive at all. Is there a reason you want to be so rude to me?

[shamone23]

@christower50 well for some reason you're putting words in my mouth. I didnt at any point say that $15 for 5000 is expensive. What I did say is that normal plastic BBs that skirmishers use are not to be re-used. the only re-usable BBs that I know of are made of ceramic and they're more like $15 for 100 or so (very roughly). So yeah, read what people are saying, don't put words into their mouths and nobody will be rude to you. Not that I was even doing that. You wouldnt want me to be rude to you.

[oakleyman100]

@christower50 not when your paying 50 bucks for a box of 100 556 rounds.

[futurerev21]

this quality is just fucking amazing.

[DreamMagicTeam]

bbs are not reusable... atleast it's not good for your gun's health lol and affordable? mmm i dunno

[mranalog]

they put all this money into the technology in the gun and realism and then they go and put this moron in front of a camera. "they're reusable until they break,"(bbs)are you kidding me.

[endonetto]

BB's reusable...I need to get me some of those "special" bb's....

[ThePurcy]

rofl this advert is full of shit, constantly USE FOR LAW ENFORCEMENT MILITARY LAW ENFORCEMENT MILITARY DER PDERP DPERPERP

DERPPPPP

[XshaunixX]

LOL since when did bb's become reusable?!

[IronMaiden666X1]

This looks like something I would watch in ROTC. and, no bbs can't be reused dude.

[IronMaiden666X1]

This looks like something I would watch in ROTC.

[blizzard249]

affordable guns? the systema m4 is $1600 i think i can buy an ar15 for less

[STiNGFiST77]

@blizzard249 i doubt that law enforcement or military corporations are paying the same amount as the general public seeing as these systemas were designed for training and later became available to the public. so for sure public will be paying a much higher price.

[TheAirsoftSoldiers]

@STiNGFiST77 yah especially cuz there buying in bulk

[NallePu83]

@blizzard249 At that time Systema M4 2. gen was aound 1000 dollar

[garrychn]

The Celcius CTW is much better than my PTW! :(

[Ml9ll]

@garrychn Systema will always be better than the Celcius' but celsius' are like half the price, and the parts for them are 10 times cheaper, i think the improved celsius' though are 85% there.

[1ben1245]

reusable my ass.

[loldavirofl]

Lol reuse bbs on 1700$ systema ptw. Pure genius

[horseman9976]

@loldavirofl lol, some people just don't appreciate their geniusness

[RainingBlood231]

haha affordable...

[joeygarnreiter]

@RainingBlood231

Compared to shooting .223 rounds for training, it's extremely affordable.

[Lollzzzzzzz]

"it smells like a real weapon"

[wtfeezey]

@Lollzzzzzzz of course you didnt know?! my sniper smells like grape fruit :D

[TheFinalFrame]

They replicate the real deal m4...they even include how they break so often

[musicaliest]

KWA>Systema. KWA RULES!!!

[sammy789987]

@musicaliest no..no...no you obviously dont own or never have fired on...KWA is total garbage

[musicaliest]

@sammy789987 I didn't mean for training, i mean't for skirmishes and for airsoft players. Kwa is at the top of the aeg's for that purpose because they perform great, last long, and have realistic weight and material. KWA are only 1/4 of the price of systema, you have to take that into consideration. I am putting an amazing mosfet in mine for $55 and i run a lipo. it fires 400fps @ 23+rof. plus its cheap to fix if it ever brakes, systema not.

[swagergrunt]

lol i reuse bbs lol i use them for home made grenades and such XD

[ItzWucker]

Affordable? The systema M4-A1 Super Max is $1700. Now I know where the tax dollars for the police are going toward. Atleast they re-use the bb's... wait.. that will skrew the barrel up. Meh. What do they care they get em for free.

[brendy1995]

NOT cost effective, marui sopmod is just as good imo for like 500 dollars cheaper, with the exception of slight dimentional and feel differences. or better yet get a GBBR, but they tend to break quite often, i know my WE did...

[aaron4820]

@brendy1995 I have a TM SOPMOD and a WA GBBR... the sopmod was great until i wanted to upgrade it, with a 350fps (0.2g bb) spring the stock battery was struggling to push even one cycle when fully charged, after less than 80 shots, it wasn't pushing anymore. the systema ptw super max m160 pushes a 0.20 600fps without straining the system, and ofcourse the ptw has a very short trigger response, especially for single fire. and my GBB, well, you know the issues. im here hoping to find a final gun..

[sammy789987]

@aaron4820 ur battery wasnt strugling unles it was NicD...its ur motor

[lerkinginthelight]

fuck the police

[tytogononttt]

it smells like a real gun

[ect301fps]

The gun costs several hundred dollars more than a real m4...bbs are cheaper than simunitions, I suppose that is what saves the money, But it's still ridiculous. Gbbr started coming out just a few years later, instantly rendering systema obsolete when it came to practicality. For an AEG, very realistic. But a cheaper gbbr will have the same amount of realism-functioning bolt catch, won't go to safe until bolt is locked, etc + a more intimidating sound.

[airsoftgunner47]

these guys are dumbasses a gbbr is way more realistic

[MrAirJacobs]

@airsoftgunner47 ha tell me about it!

[wordsofwisdom2009]

I have a PTW and I can tell you now that they are very fussy when it comes to BBs. They don't like cheap BBs, and re-used BBs are definately out. Even quality BBs can chop in this.

[airsoftingPenguin]

ya, im sticking with my trusty KWA.

[joeyz103]

gas blowbacks are cooler :o) although I see the coolness of the PTW.

[YaJvkYa]

Reuse bb's? use it once and you get a little ding on the back, reducing your accuracy completely, plus if you fire it and it break inside of your gun, well sucks for you.

[Milesy1818]

just use blanks and infra red like the British army instead of a bb gun that fires 50 metres inaccurately....

[morepaincom]

@Milesy1818 systema rifles can push 300 yards accurately at full potential. I would know, i've seen the PTW

[Milesy1818]

@morepaincom HAHAAHHAHAA U ARE FUCKING JOKING!!! NO AIRSOFT RIFLE CAN SHOOT 300 YARDS U FUCKING RETARD....... Its a plastic BB, it wouldn't have the velocity or momentum to reach that far u twat...

[morepaincom]

@Milesy1818 funny, i doubt you know anything about the science behind airsoft rifles. First of all, your standard airsoft rifle could not hit 100 yards. But those rifles are usually crappy anyways. Im talking about the guns that are firing around 600 fps, use heavy bbs (heaviest bbs you can play with are around .45 grams) and give just enough backspin to keep the bb flying strait. I've even heard of airsoft rifles hitting over 400 yards!

play airsoft, and learn the science behind it.

[marksmang36]

@morepaincom 400 yards is impseable but 400 feet is about the max

[911mykidsdead]

if you reuse bbs( dont buy wallmart crap) wont break the gun but a chance they will get jammed up in the barrel

[iGeekPro]

WOW THAT IS SAD THEY REUSE BBs INSIDE A SYSTEMA, HOW SAD, I WOULD LOVE TO HAVE ONE, AND THEY ARE KILLING ALL OF THEM D:

[wcooky]

Idiot

[BEARaCOODA]

lol I was digging it until 1:44, I hate it when they try to sell something that they know nothing about, but he does have a point.

on a different note, (im so getting flamed for this) I consider air soft to be real guns, chambered in 6mm and shooting and much much much lower velocities than real guns. yes I do play, but some people take it way to serious, I just go out there to have fun, none of this milsim crap. and the ammo is cheap, I support air soft as a training tool unlike some dudes.

[codzilla12]

Does wearing camo and shit count as MilSim?

[BEARaCOODA]

@codzilla12

its around the time when you start putting badges and stuff on, personally for myself, I just wear a tac vest, sometimes ill go camo, but around 70% of the time I just where a t shirt and shorts. the number one thing that I really dont care for is the whole team thing where they call each other gay nicknames. maybe im just not that serious about it, but there is no such thing as overkill in air soft, half the "sport" is looking better than everyone else...

[codzilla12]

Yeah I don't due the nicknames, about 80% of the time I'm dresses up (as a US Marine). Most of the time I also wear a skull balaclava (like Ghost in MW2). But that's about it.

[BEARaCOODA]

@codzilla12

see im cool with that, you dont need to go over board, I tend do the same ONLY if i feel i might need it or what ever, such as if I am going sniper or dmr ill go ahead and get dressed up in marine marpat, and gear up for that, but I wont dress up for the whole day in camo, like I said before, I just play for fun, and I don't take it to seriously.

[codzilla12]

Yeah that's pretty much what I do.

[NallePu83]

@codzilla12 Remember Ghost is british.

Seen some Ghost kit, using american flag. Wrong!

[catnipdogfood]

@codzilla12 I just guess I have to say fail... look up some books on milsim

[Oxstayne]

not many units use these, they shoot blanks then live rounds.

[omgxxxomg]

i agree, but you couldn't have the same realism such as not being able to shoot when your magazine is empty

[codzilla12]

Yeah that's true.

[RXillusionist]

bbs r not reusable...

[TheFinalFrame]

@RXillusionist ....yea they are.....

I have done this multiple times when target practicing.

Wash them with pure water and then relube....

I have been playing for years and I own multiple high end AEGs

[Ml9ll]

@TheFinalFrame Target practice is a different story, though I still wouldnt want them in my AEG, BB's are cheap enough not to re-use and it's not worth risking it.

[TheFinalFrame]

@Ml9ll very true.

however, if you know how to do it--might as well

[walter0bz]

note the marketing speak. it's not a souped up bb gun, honest

[ObviouslyBoredKid]

does anyone actually use these for training?

[scamperscamper1]

Systemas are barley better then a KWA, and with mabye $200 in upgrades you can have them preforming at the same levle for about 1/3 the price.

[kingjackdude]

afordable if you have 1,400 doll

ers in your back pocket

[The151PIRU]

Affordable my fucking arse mine cost £1,350

[codzilla12]

My REAL M16A2 cost less than one of these fuckers!

[cqbcitydude]

but what about the cost of ammo... u spend alot of money on this but in the end u spend less

[bloodangelusn]

"adds the adrenaline of force on force training WITHOUT RISKING lives" can you do that with live rounds?

you can use MILES and simunitions but the bottom line costs (rifle + ammo + miles gear) are still higher than the top line cost of using one of these (PTW only - add whatever BB ammo and it's still cheaper).

[aaron4820]

plus ironically MILES is miles more realistic than systema bb guns (or any, even gas blow backs) ... they should have MILES system games...like paintballing where you pay to play.

[aaron4820]

plus it's silly that AEGs are used for professional training... as opposed to gas blowbacks, gas blowbacks has stronger kick (obviously nothing compared to real firearms), and usually has a much closer imitation to real firearm in terms of mechanism...they usually feature low ammo as they're gas powered, but atleast the weight distribution can be designed to match those of the real weapons (aegs have their batteries at the back, atleast in the systema m4, real guns have heavy barrels at front)

[hoboseth]

Yeah your totally right the only reason I can come up with to use AEG's is the FPS is consistant but the GBB are far more realistic in everyother way

[aaron4820]

isnt the tokyo marui sopmod m4 better than this..?

[rwomack1]

So let me say this if I could buy you any airsoft gun you wanted, Anyone what would you choose..? :)

[nejimakana]

affordable Pff... i shuved that up my ass already

[mustardman32]

well guys it reusable, it will replicated it jamming and breaking and buying another AFFORDABLE gun after your breaks. Also this thing doesn't use shells or even has a kick, for god sakes it should at least have a blow back. also also if any one asks airsoft guns can use shells, havent any body seen the airsoft glock(forgot name but i saw it on redwolf airsoft) or d boys kar 98k, yeah, it uses shells like a airsoft revolver does to.

[Stinkeyfeet678]

affordable my a**

[YUGIOHallDAYallNIGHT]

yaaaa affordable im 12 where do i get that money dude buy a real one for 500 less

[bloodangelusn]

yeah, ok, you're 12. systema is marketing this as a PROFESSIONAL training weapon. you're not in their marketing demographic.

[ch3sterp]

And why the hell do we care how the weapon smells. That guy is a dumb fuck

[ch3sterp]

that guy just said the bb's are reusable till they break.. fucking dumbass

[NateDogg9201]

you could reuse them if you wanted to but i it takes is one to break in your aeg and fuckup your mechbox

[patchy500]

I do like systemas for airsoft skirmishes.

However to say they act exactly like a real thing is untrue, there is no kickback/bb's can get thrown off by wind etc etc.

[MadAirsofterMatt]

yea and try using it in the rain

[Leland64]

YOUR AN IDIOT

[MadAirsofterMatt]

go fuck your self

[Leland64]

welll dont say something so stupid then you twat.

[kevinwearspradadood]

you can actually get the majority of the electronics moisture proofed

[MadAirsofterMatt]

smells lke a real gun???????

[stalker4life118]

reusing bbs will fuck up the barrel

[Oxstayne]

@stalker4life118 and the hop up.

[shadowfox089]

Then start saving up for the class 3 liscense, and the 1-3k it will cost for a new, legal automatic.

[gloryfighter1000]

lol id rather buy a new real machine gun im turning 21 so fuck this gay air soft pansy shit ill use simunition rounds to cheaper and cooler have fun kids

[VIPhiggz09]

the sas use real guns for training. cus it puts you under more pressure and its harder the handle the pressure cus it is poossible that you could shoot some1.

[sexymuffinp]

the PTWS is meant for training when firing at other people. can't do that with a live round

[patchy500]

But they still won't shoot at people as sexymuffinnp.

Also well done for watching ultimate force to find that out

[essexarmyguy]

not just the SAS fella

[toemandie1]

affordable my ass, Shawn here says its like 1k USD and the fake one costs fucking 1.5k USD....yeah....raal affordable...does the entire US army have liek 1 Systema PTW gun....

[VIPhiggz09]

i know when that came up i was goin to write bull shit. lol $1500. i would have to rob my sisters piggie bank. lol

[Shawn5030]

Cost effective? really? I have a real AR and it cost only 1,000. With the extra money i could get an eotech?

[moneymikey]

Think they mean its a long term investment.

[xtheacademyisntx]

hahahaha "market soley to military and law enforcment..." look at any airsoft website. aduh!!!!

[syrese]

actiully a real(pirated) weapon is cheaper then the systema PTWs.. but on the other hand.. what are you going to do with a real gun on an airsoft field :P.. my point is.. these things are not cheap!!!

[computersANDstuff]

Re-usable bb's...?

Err, no.

I wouldn't wanna reuse bbs in a systema.

[CWK922]

i know. they should never tell people to reuse them.

[FerrariF50gt1]

1500?? i baught my Bushmaster AR-15 for way less.

[MadAirsofterMatt]

u know all american is probaby right about htat because the thing about gbbs are that their very reliable

[lilhawklet65]

affordable? 1,500+ is not affordable

[mben456]

I agree. If you want something more ultra-realistic, get a western arms m4 or we m4.

[AllAmericanKid1]

sadly enough, WA sucks now, WE is alot better and the best of gbb are the new G&P series rifles

[MadAirsofterMatt]

get a kwa there about 600 bucks less and the best besides these on the market

[AllAmericanKid1]

NOOOOOOO!!! Top Tech and CA blowback AEG's are the top of the line AEG's besides these and believe it or not, I prefer CA or Top Tech blowback AEG's over systemas, If I was to choose a gbb rifle I would go G&P

[milsimjunkie]

you have that opinion for ca and top tech over systemas because you have never held nor shot a ptw

[AllAmericanKid1]

NO I own a 2 PTW's and to me they are not AEG's but more like true police training weapons as they are much more advanced than AEG's considering they have mosfet units which you can install in guns no prob and make them PTW's making them better than systemas as they could then be blowback PTW's depending on the base gun and PTW's have different mech's and and PTW's have CPU cips so they are technicallly NOT and AEG but a highly advanced electric rifle that can be distantly categoriezed as an AEG

[Leojx94]

I see what your saying...

PTWs are Training weapons, could be used for airsoft, but not designed for it.

AEGs are designed for airsoft, but aren't as advanced as the PTWs.

I've never shot or own a PTW, but I have shot a number of AEGs and the best I have to say, for Sporting purposes/Airsoft, are G&G & G&P. Remeber this is what have shot and it is my opinion so far subject to change.

[AllAmericanKid1]

Thank you

[klompedompe]

however...Systema is not the most accurate one thou, in a test vs KWA it lost.

[AllAmericanKid1]

yes but keep in mind systema is built in japan so the tightest barrel diameter allowed is 6.05mm w/ interfering with the .98 Joule/280 FPS w/ a .20 gram bb law

[anthcybo]

Affordable? They're the same price as real AR-15's

[Mike11069]

i saw a shop where they actually sold semi-auto AR's at $500

[milsimjunkie]

1.)how much do a bag of bbs cost

2.)ho much do a box of AR 15 bullets cost

think man think! ptws cost less

[40ozmaltliquor]

google has all the answers

[smerfin7]

it even smells like a real weapon? sold

[supshane125]

Systema recommends re-using bbs??? Are you serious...

[CrispyGFX]

He said reusable until they break, which as far as I know is after the first shot.

[Aureliano5174]

That makes the recommend even more ridiculous. Say some newby will actually re-use a BB which seems whole to him, but actually is already deformed. What will happen? A frustrating jam if he is lucky - and a broken barrel if he isn't...

[mullensk8ter15]

Even so, you should never re-use ANY BB after shot.

[Leojx94]

So true!

Idon't care what kind of AEG your using you NEVER reuse BBs and always use High Presion BBs

[joeddamage1]

I agree with you, but the reason why systemas can re-use bbs without getting fucked up is because they purposely gave them loose barrels (6.10 mm) for exactly that reason.

[Badboyz60000000000]

1000 affordable. i think ill have 10

[Kkr3wK]

affordable my ass.

[alexh13211]

the cheap cost of bb's makes up for the price :)

the weapon will last for years and years too

[supercorpsman]

hey nalle u can get a das m4 for a 3rd of wat this cost

[godgunplay2]

o yes %1500 is affordable. totally

[NallePu83]

I want a gas blow back M4!

[bf2rula]

WE gbb m4

[syrese]

all WE are gas guzlers.. can't complain though.. my WE colt1911 fires at 360fps after a little modification :P

[Ebsil0n]

Just a note, please for the love of God do not re-use bbs, especially in this weapon. Even though SYSTEMA made the barrel 6.1mm (huge by airsoft standards, where an average barrel is 6.08 and a good barrel is 6.03), even though they stressed reliability over accuracy, DO NOT REUSE BBS, if the people who have commented before have not made it clear enough. You drop that much moeny into these things, you can affor a $10 bag off bbs every 167 mags you fire.

[Ebsil0n]

I don't know what everyone is talking about as far as expense, they are $995, and I am sure that people who use them to train an not to play get lower rates. $995 and you are pretty much set, no need to buy expensive ammo and pay for cleanup. Just plug in your battery and buy some bbs.

[OSU5312]

affordable my ASS!!!!!!

[Ebsil0n]

About the price of the real thing, plus you don't need to but ammo. Have you seen those RAP4 markers? Those things are expensive to start, plus the ammo and CO2 is crazy.

[OSU5312]

if your using a RAP4 you should kno that HPA is alot better than co2 and is alot cheaper

[Ebsil0n]

Its still too expensive to buy ammo. And you can't fit an HPA tank in the space alotted for a tank unless you remote it.

[OSU5312]

yeah the ammo is but if you can afford and RAP4 who the fuck cares?also they do have an HPA tank L002925 is the number theres 4

[Ebsil0n]

That contradicts my point, so you are saying that the ammo is expensive, and so are the markers, but if you can afford the markers it's all good? My point was that the Systema is not as overpriced as everyone is whining about. Sure its expensive, but quality comes with a price. This is not a toy, this is a proffesional training weapon. The initial cost is high, but upkeep is almost null, so it can compete easily with alternative training mediums, such as RAP4. It is the bottom line in PTWs.

[fredblink18287]

C'mon RAP4's are not that expensive, only like $400, yes then you have to buy mags n shit but w/ $600 you'll have a paintball gun that nobody else has, I bought a RAP17 and a T68 from them, and yeah the .43 paintballs are kinda expensive plus u gotta buy casings but not for the pistol though...I didn't buy a RAP4 'cause I figured I'll just play airsoft it's a lot cheaper and it's all mil-sim.

[dp62786]

it doesnt seem like it simulates the recoil of a real AR platform chambered in 5.56 well enough.

[Ebsil0n]

It has no recoil at all. That, and the fact that it does not kill whatever you are shooting at are the only differences from an M4/M16.

[bowelrock]

Re usable till the break LMO what a jackass. Waste of money

[ProXECHOx]

do you think they'll ever get any cheaper