Chris Thorpe Swivel foot technique 300bpm explination

[heckawesomefunnydude]

So how long did it take you to actually master this technique? I've been practicing this for at least a couple months not and I still can't get it :/

[goodnamepending]

@heckawesomefunnydude Dude, shit like this takes years. Thats what people don't understand. They think they can get it after 1 week but they can't. Just spend a lot of time practicing over and over and over. You need to work on getting the motions and playing it rather fast, then practice trying to control it and play in time. Remeber that it takes years. (ive been playing for about 1 year and i'm just about able to control my right foot but i cant play it to a click yet. My left foot is :(

[Maconochiejohn]

Don't push with your feet, use ankles to push down and the just swivel your foot back and forth

[MIloMercury0]

my friend was watching this video while i was trying to sleep and i only heard the kick notes in his headphones and i thought he was fapping. with frightening speed. got really scared at 3:10...

[Level80irl]

the 300 sounded off

[blastbeatingjerk666]

seen it many times in person......so good.....also seen him rip 280 plus without doing the swivel....sounded smooth as fuck

[joeyjuniorjunior]

did you make that?

[pkrishnametal]

Hi ,nice video.So why is the swivel technique required in the first place?Isnt a heel up technique good enough? I have just started and feel pretty good with heel up. Does swivel save energy or something? Thanks in advance.

[xLaLaRainx]

...it's like he has two jackhammers for his legs..O.o

[mosaothegreat]

its crazy that his internal metronome is so good that he can match the swivel so easily to practically any bpm

[emmanuelh]

amazing bro!!!!.. greetings, from León Guanajuato, México

[kk456128]

i have a pair of tama iron cobra jrs is it the same effect with regulars?

[vmipsychmajor]

George Kollias talks about swivel technique and knee health in this video:

watch?v=h0hv3VNgCFc

[PenetraxOfficial]

@vmipsychmajor Thanks alot for directing us to Kolias' video! "Going inside and outside is a crime" :D

[drummin4InTheShadows]

@vmipsychmajor .... and i completely understand. if i try to swivel, my knee pops and really hurts :/

[WARLOCK70]

Nice! Thanx B sure to check out my unique style as well.

[888riddim888]

Swivel is potentially damaging if you really push out with it...like, swivel your foot really far out.

A bit of swivel motion is healthy...everything in moderation...

it seems to be more for balance than for speed?

[Hdin20]

I use swivel, man its cake! But all people have different shit that they like. Some perfer heel toe but I can't do that very well. Check my vid

[queenmcsleaze]

@Cerberus6606 fuck paying the wild costs of industrial ones

[allan1064music]

Your video helped me a lot....

Thank you for uploading and sharing. ñ_ñ

[ChaosHero17]

1. Holy shit

2. What shoes are those?

[nigelic]

OH MY GOD thats so damn fast!!

[PanterArts]

@nigelic george kollias?

[nigelic]

@PanterArts yes george is fast as well hes my favourite drummer but hes never gone faster than 28o on their albums but im sure he cud

[PanterArts]

@nigelic hahaha i heard a rumore tht george "stopped workng on his speed" bcuz he thout it wud be stupid to ga faster than 280. hahah! checkj my drum vids dude, i swivel too.

[nigelic]

@PanterArts haha thats funyy i know he said he stoped workin on feet when he joined nile i guess cuz all their song are leg workouts lol and he shud go past 3oo that wud be sickk and ya ill checkem i also swivel! \m/

[PanterArts]

@nigelic well, his feet wer at 265 in 2005, 270 in 2007, and 280 (he stopped) currently.

[nigelic]

@PanterArts ya in their albums i know i follow nile and george more than anyone lol but hopefully we will get to hear 29o on their next one!! and on his solo album and dvd which should be coming out this year!! i cant wait

[amusingisthedawn]

jesus, my knees hurt just watching that. it works for some people, but i can get all the speed i need without swivel. ankle weights are the KEY to speed.

[zimPol06]

say goodbye to your knees lol!

[billdim1]

after double bass drumming i feel some pain at my knees and i feel a preasure in it

what should i do? all opinions acceptable

[esparcia7]

@billdim1 im not a drummer but a guitar player, but i guess it applies to drumming as well. if i'd play something for a long time thats beyond my arms capability i'd strain myself. so start out slow and concentrate on technique instead of speed. speed will flow out naturally from having the right motions down. and your muscles and tendants need time to recover from practice. playing metal is pretty much like an intense sport :D hope that was helpfull :)

[SlayerFan1993]

7:40 Boy, anything faster than that's gonna suck!

[skmetalhead16]

did Vitek swivel?

[kickassdrumjunk]

@skmetalhead16

...maybe. Krimh does.

[rsman169]

@skmetalhead16 I would not doubt it. Very famous technique for extreme metal drumming.

[flinginferrets]

awesome



[Andinator]

I actually laughed at 3:10 it was so funny...but awesome at the same time

[metaldimmu]

@Andinator I'm glad I wasn't the only one.

[michalwienia]

yeah and drinking the alcohol is wrong for kidneys :)

[Slackyshak]

thank you dude you might just have tought me how to do that :D

[13TeK11]

lol i started to play like this last week and i didn't know that was a technique XD

i guess there is just no "right way" to play drums :D

[drummerhead77]

Is this bad for your knees or is that just a myth?

[allmetaliswelcome]

how about swivelling, not in a taping context, but in basicly heels up, but you swivel every stroke? so hitting the pedal instead of tapping?

[nejikid]

do u need a special kind of DB pedal in order to do swivel or just any DB system? thanks

[TommyOwnzU]

@nejikid any

[kentsmedblom]

Can you list what pedals you used here Please :) and you made that practice thing? its just rubber on wood yes? sick speed man!

[death0breeder]

dude that rite axis squeeks like a bitch haha but bad ass

[lurfiashelas]

as long as u dont swivel too much it wont do damage to ur knees..jus like kollias said in one of his clinic.2 strokes per side and not too much...

[KillerFrettchen]

3:10 this looks a bit stupid, I have to say :D

Great technique, anyways...

[pascalpg]

whitout axis ! good job!

[WOLVES4842]

FUTALEXISTANCE.....im 12 and i've been playing since i was 10...nothing special

[methane]

LOL at 3:13 his feet is wobbling :))))))))))))

[Meatlooaf]

this, in the long run, is bad for your knees

[choirboy5000]

What is the bpm before the 300 bpm attempt? Is it 260-280?

[FutileExistence]

@choirboy5000

I believe it says in the video...

[FutileExistence]

@choirboy5000

nevermind... its 260 though.

[azdoferus]

I have a fuckings Iron Crobra's and its really hard to play with those pedals.. are very light and have too much rebound!

[JokeAgainstManTube]

Change the tensions...

[azdoferus]

@JokeAgainstManTube I will try that. tnks for the help

[ediot6969]

i can do 220 right now with heel up regular up and down method.. it has taken me 6 months to get to that from 180 .. will post vid soon.. need a camera!!!

[sovereignsjust]

Hey I'm new to the swivel technique

Can anyone give me some tips?

Please?

[FutileExistence]

good distance!!!

[oscarpoderoso]

the biggest problem for me has been the snare drum when trying to move my feet what a fuck

[Slipknotter666]

How much does those Axis pedals cost?

[sirbuster223]

@Slipknotter666

There about 500$. Look em up on guitar center or musiciansfriend.

[ediot6969]

yep he needs the high tension to do that!! for drummers that dont always get to play thier own stuff this might not be good

[filitalian]

that's a real skill to learn. he is playing with some actual power, rather than relying on triggers, which some fast doublebass drummers absolutely need.

[ediot6969]

what happens when u have to play another persons kit and they have a very loose tension can u still do it. i dont personally like this if u have to have certain settings

[ediot6969]

this can be done by going straight up and down in one year who doesnt want to be able to do accents what a dumbass

[Blacklorigine]

I can be wrong but i'm pretty sure swivel is bad for the knees.

[queenmcsleaze]

@Blacklorigine i wonder this! i reckon it def would with tension but look at gene hoglan...late 40s too...

[overcontrol]

@Blacklorigine no

[Blacklorigine]

@overcontrol Yes, I know, a "natural" swivel that comes by itself when you play ankle motion is not bad for the knees, but when you force it and play the stroke from the side to side motion, like chris does, it is.

[overcontrol]

@Blacklorigine well i think that's correct that you say but well is practice nothing else

[ibonyun]

@Blacklorigine at 2:45 you can see his whole leg moves. he's moving from the hip, not the knee. maybe something for beginners to be careful about though

[IcanDRAW33]

@Blacklorigine if is bad for your knees Tim Yeung is probably a machine

[darktimesilence]

@Blacklorigine Rotation exercises or some basketball will help you with that.

[TheMetalEngineer]

@Blacklorigine So many things that are much more damaging for knees than this. Like weighlifting and such. Stop being so pussy...

[TheMetalEngineer]

@Blacklorigine sorry for calling you pussy, but you sounded like one xD

[XenoPhobic321]

uum does having a direct drive pedal really helps u give speed then a chain drive pedals

[bakbak654]

Chris, if you read this, thx a lot man! I finally got the movement (right foot only, left foot is sliding out of the pedal for now). What I finally understood is that you don't have to 'hit' the pedal each time you move the foot: it hits automatically. The foot float on the pedal. That's amazing and incredible efficient (speed, control, power) yet hard to master! And you're right, it is harder at slow speed. Speed makes the hits.

[sacatreez]

this helps  thnk u!!!!

[lmp4eva]

VERY COOL! but it looks like the pee pee dance. a very cool, evil pee pee dance.

[Dshnizal15]

This is nice because now i am convinced that i don't need long board pedals.

[Alisterbmx]

3:09 thats my problem with swivel !!!!

u look like a retard playing like that

[drummerzhans]

ahahahah!

[250bpmshaun]

WHo cares? when your behind a drumkit no one can see...

[ediot6969]

in one year this guy could have been able to play that with his leg going up and down like normal..what if u wanted to play accents

[VFB1210]

@ediot6969 Uhm, 300bpm single strokes in one year not using the swivel technique? Not going to happen. (If thats true than drummers like George Kollias should be able to do 450 easy, which they cant) Also, the swivel is a HIGH SPEED technique dumbass. At these speeds you need to use triggers (no matter how large the stroke) and triggers won't pick up the accents. Plus no one uses accents on straight 300bpm 16th notes. Theres no use for it. You aren't playing a snare drum in a marching band.

[ArterialX]

Hehe sounds like chopping wood in cyberspeed hehehe

[dreamopeth]

its alrite but I think I will just stick with heel toe thanks. Cant be bothered to play that fast anyway. Afterall I think metal has reached its threshold now, any faster would just sound stupid.

[VFB1210]

@dreamopeth I agree. I think Tim Waterson is retarded for trying to go above 300. Whenever he does its sloppy as hell, and even with triggers it sounds like shit. 300 is pretty much the max. Maybe 320. But anything above that sounds like crap and you can't do much more than blast your ass off. Which gets quite boring after a while.

[TheresAFuckingDuck]

in my opinion this is a good technique to get fast but it takes a lot of energies

sorry my bad english xD

[calvinjaramillo]

no actually it helps save energy by increasing your momentum. When I play flatfoot at top speed there is more energy lost per hit where as with swivel its a flowing movement with the ankles spearheading the downward motion. Thats how it works for me anyway

[franspurs22]

i learned hel-toe, which works, but which is better? heel-toe or swivel?

[21sabiandrummer67]

swivel is better imo b/c you get more power in your strokes, it also feels more natural when playing @ higher tempos.

[DagonMetalMusic]

for you... maybe

[Kriegsphilosphier]

the one that fits better for you, is easier to maintain for long and to do hits accurately.

[VFB1210]

@franspurs22 Its all a matter of preference. Lately I've been able to hit speeds of 240 ish (So close, but yet so far from Cast Down the Heretic!) and I've been using, for lack of a better term, "Triple Strokes" by that I don't mean LLLRRRLLLRRR, but that my right foot is sluggish compared to my left, and I wind up doing single strokes with my left foot and compound doubles with my right. (IE. L RH L RT L RH L RT).

Lmao, my captcha was 300 bpm

[mariosdr2000]

can someone tell me it has big diffrence between the good pedals and the bad pedals and give me some explaination.......please!!!!

[66Ganon]

You have 3 main types of pedals. Direct drive, chain drive, and strap. chains bend and take away time and take more time to hit the bass, because it takes a fraction of a second for the chain to bend before it tugs the beater forward to hit the bass drum. straps dont have to bend as much, they just slide as you push on the pedal, but straps break easy. Direct drive ( axis, and trick pedal) tend to be the smoothest and lightest and the most durable. and if you have 600+ to spend id invest in that

[drumfan010]

Fuck man ima start to do that now

[factory]

this is the best technique to get the speed you want its all about practice its as simple as that.. look at george kollias well hes been drumming for 20+ yrs haha.

[Shaun2Prawn]

is it hard to get used to this technique and does it take a while to get the speed?

[BBD4697]

would this technique work if i wanted to get quick doubles on a single pedal?

[PuzzleDNB]

Yeah, this is THE technique for only doubles :)

Well in my opinion anyways :D

[DCdrummer205]

you can easily get basicic fast 8th notes but doubles not so much

[stormblazt90]

yes why not?

[usodrummerboii]

damn datz awesome yo'!!!!

hella fast mann....

[pablinquis]

there are 2 swivel types..

-swivel stroke: each stroke is made by swiveling for the left or right.

-swivel balance: play heel up or down and you swivel your foot for each heel up or heel down stroke.

[MetalheadJC926]

That's the exact same thing.

[philippmb8]

how did you bild this practicepad??

[ctempty]

I've been doing this technique for 4 years and have never had any pain in my knees.

[drumeaterking]

holy fucksicles, batman!!!

[MrAdAbsurdum]

...holy redneck... he is like the southen american version of george kollias... i prefer the greek, i just cant stand thorpes accent, reminds me of billy bob thornton

[blackmetalboy458]

thats unholy man

[mikebrew150]

I heard you can fuck your legs doing swivel. is this true?

[stormblazt90]

I've heard that too...they say it can fuck up your knees....but i think its bull george kollias has been doing swivel for like 20 years and hes fine

[luciferincestus]

George said on his forum that if you do it like this you can fuck up you're leg but doing it like george isn't that dangerous. Because george is actually using ankle motion and it is not the same then swiveling like this.

[Imrez]

Yes that's correct because Thorpe's motion is completely different, and Kollias' motion is based on the ankle motion. Besides, this swivel-swivel -technique does not look natural - not good for the knees.

[doublebassdrummer1]

i thought that i read somewhere that his doctor or trainer or someone said he need to stop or else he would mess up his knees... i may very well be mistaken though.

[Kuuuchin]

thrope plays one beat per turn of his angle kollias plays 2

so basicly kollias plays: 2 at the right side and 2 at the left side over and over.

i believe that that wount fuck your knees as much

[luciferincestus]

That will fuck up you're knees aswell. What george does is he plays by using the ankle motion and the swiveling he does just comes naturally when playing at higher tempos.

[DCdrummer205]

ha yeah that only fucks with your mind...

[MrAdAbsurdum]

george hasnt been doing it for twenty years... he is actuay pretty frickin young

he is only about 32 and hes been playing like this since he was about 17-18

[stormblazt90]

I said like 20 years...I obviously exaggerated but yeah hes pretty young i reckon hes been doing it for quite a while though

[FutileExistence]

@stormblazt90

Not an exaggeration... Kollias has started to play drums since he was 12!!!

[FutileExistence]

@MrAdAbsurdum

Actually... Kollias has started to play since he was 12!!! So yeah... around 20-21 years of playing since he was born in 1977.

[MrAdAbsurdum]

Yeah man I know, i got to meet him a while ago during a Nile show, his calfskin are the size of grapefruits man...

[FutileExistence]

MONSTOROUS CALVES!!!

GODLY MAN!!!

[grindmasterflesh1]

@stormblazt90 except for the wheelchair he´s brought on stage with :(

lol. warming up is the answer I guess. and years of pratice of course.

[Drummerwalter]

@stormblazt90 he got iron knees^^

[drumeaterking]

holy SHIT

[Thelastdirewolf]

Wow, I've been trying to do swivel for the longest, and I feel stupid now. I never tried starting it with the beater against the drum; which seems like the basic motions of getting it going..It's worth a shot at least if I can get it down...Awesome vid all around.

[Henw]

I know eh! I feel the exact same. and I agree. VERY helpful video

[1Hbusa]

Finally someone who isn't afraid to actually try and teach the technique and show the foot movements while playing. I've purchased several how to dvd's and none really goes into detail. I wasted $ on George Kollias' dvd thinking he'd explain the swivel technique in detail but that didn't happen. Thanks!

[FutileExistence]

@1Hbusa

There is danger in doing it how Chris Thorpe does it. Kollias does it a different way...

[MrJoeyMonster]

i use this technique

ya can get some sick speed out of it

also gives alot of control and not much effort

i make my feet go the same direction tho, wereas this guy makes his feet go in the opposite direction

whatever works tho

ncie vid

[Laurenan69]

AWESOME DUDE ! im definetely going to leran this !

[ameliorate2695]

super skill

[Pandanobear]

Are the sonors as good as axis or trick

[Drummerforlife98]

almost. Sonor pedals can be played very fast.

[dxkevinxd]

same drum throne as me ;p.. i hate it

[klav4]

Awesome!!!!

[paulthian]

why are ur axis so squeaky lol

[superball57]

I believe that's his throne, not his pedals.

[cloutier369]

there not axis there sonar (i think)

[DrumsOfTheMetal]

he uses axis later in the vid from 5:22

[DrumsOfTheMetal]

where can u get weighs for the beaters

[DrumsOfTheMetal]

thanks alot - very helpful vid

[stover81291]

very helpful tutorial man! i like the use of different pedals and finally a decent explanation for the swivel... haha im def gonna build myself one of those practice pads

[thkez]

Brilliant tutorial man, i do wonder how you made that practise pad though.. any important instructions? or just build it and wing it ;)

[TimWaterson]

Good demo of the swivel I use the same technique for higher speeds and believe this is the way to get power and speed

io knew some extrem drummer would incorporate this into playing and go to the next level

you have been practicing your are getting more power good job

Tim

[willwoodward99]

3.15 looks well funny, youd make a good dancer

[RedOnChrome]

your distance has improved, you got more power to your technique now. keep working!

[dhwild69]

How important is throne height with this technique??

[Drummerthatismetal]

Extremely important

[dhwild69]

There must be some sway side to side from the foot boards of those Axis pedals.I wonder if that will cause even more wear and tear on those pedals.

[zildro1]

very good video

[pejz64]

Very nice explanation, I think its really helpful for blasting sickdrummers

[maidenfan10210]

do you have the heavy duty springs on the cobras?

[paistedw762]

very nice man

[SlayerFan1993]

Hands down, the cleanest double bass I have ever heard.

[MrAguila]

Very informative and helpful. Thanks a lot :)

[TheAnnihilator12]

Very nice Chris, keep up the good work. This looks like a very effective way to get speed.

But hows the control? Can you play mixed double bass patterns at high tempos using this technique?

Also I like the fact that you showed it on different pedals.

[calvinjaramillo]

Fantastic job on this Chris, been waiting for a swivel video like this for a while, a lot of us spend a lot of time just figuring out if we really understand how this works so yeah makes it a lot less confusing, glad to know I'm on the right track thanks -Calvin Jaramillo

[kurtnagel]

i never thought of trying this technique but this makes it easy to understand. thanks a lot

[roozor]

Christ!

[stu798]

Nice tutorial!

Great power too :D