Do not speak to something that you do not know. if you've ever been to Indonesia ? You will be surprised with Bhinneka Tunggal Ika.
We have hundreds of ethnic groups and five major religions. you think how this country can continue to exist. Bhinneka Tunggal Ika in English it means only unity in diversity, but the meaning is actually more than that.
so for this case there must be something more than just a religious conversion.
used to be video here on youtube where it showed the court room scene with a few hundred muslims chanting death to rebbecca do you agree? i wish someone would re upload that clip its hard to find now
@DarkprinX2500 it sounds like you are very hurt from when you were a muslim, but we have to forgive! otherwise, it could keep you from being completely filled with God's love. Its prob the hardest part about being God's child, but without forgiveness its hard to have a relationship with Him. <3
@MrAndrewSuresh Do not speak to something that you do not know. if you've ever been to Indonesia ? You will be surprised with Bhinneka Tunggal Ika.
We have hundreds of ethnic groups and five major religions. you think how this country can continue to exist. Bhinneka Tunggal Ika in English it means only unity in diversity, but the meaning is actually more than that.
so for this case there must be something more than just a religious conversion.
they have the right to ban muslim women from wearing the burka , burn quran , make cartoons of our prophet muhammad (pbuh) but we dont have the right to execute their prists?? why ??
trust me we execute them cause we think of our children.......we muslims have enough problems on our hand already........we r already at war with entire west and we also have to take down the only super power in the world n last thing we need is ur child molesting prists in our country.
@eurasianchica they r not drawing pictures of me or u cause they knows drawing pictures of us is not gonna hurt any1 but they goes drawing pictures of prophet muhammad (pbuh) knowin it would hurt the feelings of muslims....they dont mind hurtin our feelings so y should we have a problem hurting them?
if u throw a stone at some1 then u must be ready to receive atleast few harsh words in return.
I am disgusted to see so many hateful responses to this item. Such foul language and expressions. This isn't about all you people having a go at one another, it's about following God and loving one another. God must weep when he sees so much hatred going on between HIS children. The OT says "thou shalt not kill" - I assume the Quran says similar. How about people from all religions abiding by that and then people can start living in peace and worshipping God (or Allah) as they want.
I saw the video of the beginning of the court proceedings. The crowd was calling for these women to be hung for teaching Sunday school. They were also threatening that if the verdict was not guilty that they would take the law into their own hands to punish the women with death. Very scary.
When an atheist criticizes Christianity that is not as serious because Atheists are not persecuting Christians in a violent manner around the world. I understand that you may have serious theological disagreements and that is fine, but I think you should keep your comments to yourself at this time because it further intensifies hatred of Christians. I ask you for tolerance and love and compassion. I want to give you a chance to demonstrate this.
I ask Muslims who have goodness in their hearts to strongly encourage the end of persecution of Christians. I believe you have goodness in your hearts because you are human beings and you have the ability. I pray that you do the right thing. I also ask that you do not say bad things about Christianity, because I believe it adds fuel to a raging fire that is persecuting Christians. It has a serious impact when Muslims speak ill of Christianity. If you disagree with the divinity of Jesus so be it.
By the way the muslims are persecuting the christians world wide .This is proof that they are the antichrist , We all know that the anti christ is from satan himself , Jesus predicted that his followers would be persecuted luke 12;12 in reality the muslims are fufilling Jesus prophecy ,wehther they realise this or not ,the muslims allow themselves to be used by satan himself , this in turn makes them enemies of god , the muslim better think about this and repent while there is still for this .
It's their right to speak what they believe, don't muslims do the same? SOME muslims in Indonesia have no respect to other religion. What if they do the same? Other religious group won't do barbaric things like they did. (ex, that group called FPI) Even most of the TV programs in Indonesia contains Islamic matter. n kids also watch it. It's just unfair, how they treat other religion. It's easy to get permission to build a mosque, but it's very hard to get the permission to build church/temple.
@RoseinTheIce I am hoping that Muslims of good conscious take a stand, I really hope in Indonesia they allow Christians to build their churches and worship freely.
18" He who believes in him is not condemned; but he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. "
19" And this is the codemnation, that the light has come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil."
20 "For everyone practicing evil hates the light and does not come to the light, lest his deeds should be exposed."
FUCK YOU CHRISTIANS WHAT FUCKING JESUS UR TALKING ABOUT ??? YOU THEY SHOULD NOT CONVERT A CHILDREN FUCKING SHIT UR DOING THAT IN ISLAMIC COUNTRY OF INDONESIA???? TO ALL FUCKING CHRISTIAN OF THE WORLD UR SUCH A FUCKING IDIOT
@MyKUREI I pray for you, I pray god comes into your mind, body and heart to change it for the better, I pray right now you stop hating people for there own belifes as we dont hate you. I pray to the father your eyes are opened right now for the fact of your own hate on any one. If you hate then you are no better then the ones you hate. but god himeself lets the sun shine on even the evil proving he is perfect, so you do the same I pray for you this..
islam RUINED indonesia. lots of people in poverty knows nothing other than quran!! its ridicolous. it angers me when muslims treat christians like second class citizens when they believe in same god. muslims who treats non-muslim like shit...SHAME ON YOU!!!!! thats why islam is the most hated religion in the world. islam=terrorist. dont like it? do something to improve islam's image than to spit your bigotry remarks u tool
@MrKingPin360 islam is fine, its growth is gr8. the uneducted muslums r beibg reachd, but u cn never get rid of all bad apples.
u had a dig at islam so its only fair i return it:
extreme christians bomb abortion clinics in america, priests sexualy abuse ther young followers in the UK and Ireland. Gay priests in the UK openly. Gay marriages in the church in the UK being mae allowable. in nigeria the chistians who think tthr child is a witch, or possesed is beaten andthrown out into the strt
@1212nur lol come on!!! witchcrafts are being practiced by unedcuated people, this still goes on in indonesia too. gay priests are evrywhere, and unfortunately child abuses are also happening (more in jakarta!!), not just by christians but by atheists and muslims alike. extreme christians do do things that are crazy, like northern ireland war for example, but they dont go around bombing bali or ritz carlton or twin towers. u need to address the serious problem islam is having with extremism
@MrKingPin360 no muslim is saying ther aint a problem, ther is? we r goin thru a bad patch. and we r adressing the issues in the Mosques, but u woulnd no tht, coz u dont attend the Mosque.
lol exactly! christians r doing it too.
In islam the person who takes the life of an innocent is as if he killed the whole of humanity in the eyes of God.
in not talking about child abuse, im talking about child being SEXUALY abused by preists, cos thy dont get none, as they cant marry!!!
@1212nur lol cant get any...riiiight. in uk those dirty pakistani muslims are staining islam. even the arabs n bengalis agree to this bombshell. havent you heard the news about pakistanis men up north in manchester abusing little girls? even jack straw acknowledges this recently, n the prime minister over 'integration'. so who are innocent and who are guilty may i ask? jews? westerns? non believers in islam? im no stranger to islam, i grew up in indonesia!
@1212nur lol no, i didnt imply that muslims commit no crime, quite to the contrary!! they commit THE MOST crime, by 21st century standard. ck ck mbak nur sok tau aja
@1212nur lol what the fuck r u on about u stupit bitch?! yea im a retarded guy who earns more than ur parents combined, i wont go into details, im wasting my breath with a cheap slut like u. go back to where u belong and stop tainting uk with ur muslim shit. the british dont welcome u
@1212nur lolololol and how the hell r muslim people decent people??? ur pathetic cheap idealogy reeks of stupidy beyond human comprehension. just watch. edl will fuck u up in ur streets soon enough
@1212nur hahahaha you just got OWNED!!!!!! BIAAAAATCH!! HAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHA!!!! go run away with ur tails between ur legs like a muslim pig that u r HAHAHAHAAHAHA
@1212nur oh right!!! we all live in the same world and i might see u around as im thinking to transfer to arup. and its not so hard to spot an ethnic indonesia? assuming that ur name is nur. as so happen im a construction manager for a big australian company in singapore with a FAT expat package n low tax, less than rip off 40% in uk, bigger than balfour beatty, ur old man may earn more than me now!!! but not for long! suck on my big cock
@1212nur soon enough i will make contracts manager either in my company (wont tell u the name) or arup, and that is higher in earning than a senior civil engineer HAHAHAHAHAAHAH. u picked the wrong degree loser!! suck on my balls. that was indonesian/melayu for 'you think you know it all but u dont'. uuuuh you got OWNED AGAIN, i feel so happy when u said u were civil engineer hahahaha. one day, just one day once u do msc u might get chartered......
the christian life is better than muslim way of life, its teaching and philosophy...christian is all about equality and peace...here in philippines(the only christian country in SE), minority muslims can freely do of their faith, but still these minority muslims are bitching us, like bombing and killing innocent christians...
good..its called karma ..think about what u evil christians did to pagans and indigenous people all over the world! u want freedoms u dont give others!
Where is the peace in ISLAM IDEOLOGY. ISLAM is not even a religion but it is an IDEOLOGY just like Communism is an IDEOLOGY to take over the world... Look at the nations that embrace ISLAM in their government - PAKISTAN, IRAN, Egypt, Indonesia, Sudan... Where is the PEACE within these nations? ISLAM is full of hatred, violence and murder of people... and it is obvious ISLAM comes from Satan whom is full of hate, violence, and murder.
It is funny how Jesus works often in our life. I too once lived in prison for insignificant time compared to them. It was the hardest time in my life. Yet in my darkest hour, I felt God's grace more then ever. I enjoyed my time there.
Do you know that it is easier to speak about gospel of salvation inside prison more that anywhere in the world? Seriously, if you doubt what I said, just try it even for once.
The harvest is here, but we don't have enough harvester. Will you also be the one?
Indonesia is home to moderate moslem, pluralism and tolerance. No way for fundamentalism and fanaticism. Let's respect to other religions. Better focus on improving the quality and faith of own religious members, rather than preaching outside with fanaticism spirit.
ONLY MUSLIMS SPREAD THEIR RELIGION THRU FEAR AND IMPRISONMENT. IF IT IS RELIGION OF COMPASSION, SUCH THINGS WILL NOT HAPPEN. NOT ONLY IN INDONESIA BUT OTHER MUSLIM MAJORITY COUNTRIES TOO.
@wise003090 umm, converting children under the age of 10, is highly contraversial. kids cant even look after themselves without the help of there parents.
i cant see how these kids would have got around the concept of the trinity? help!!!
@mechaart yep, these women are converting CHILDREN. very ugly tactic.......targeting young vulnerable children, just highlights the lows christianity finds itself. they cant explain the oneness of god to the adualts, so next best thing children.
@1212nur these preachers chose to educate childrens so at a very young age they will know how to live the Christian life, to know who is the creator of heaven and earth and to know the way to ever lasting life. May Jesus Christ bless You and your family. I will pray for you.
@theprof291166 Muhammad's criminal, brutal & evil deeds and satanic teachings proved what Jesus warned us from = Be aware of false prophets who come to you in sheep's clothing but inwardly are ravenous wolves who will decieve many people..you will know them by their fruits, nor can a bad tree bear good fruit.
Now tell me, doesn't this describe Muhammad???
It is rediculous to consider Mo as a perfect human whose example we must follow.
@aperisions your mentally ill my friend - if your a real christian you won't write such diatribe like that. Where are your manners? Get an education before you say such rubbish. Stop watching CNN.
Muslims believe in one God. Christians believe in 3 Gods being One. This is insane, if you think about it. This is why its impossible to convert a Muslim into a Christian because its illogical, and as far as Islam is concerned its a grave sin, called Shirk, which for Allah is totally unforgiveable. Its a bigger sin than Murder. So don't waste your time Christians, but believe in ONE GOD not 3.
@damo2353 OK then - but Richard Dawkins certainly tries with his evangelism. And anyway what is wrong with Dogma? If God has set down some rules, then its logic to follow them. If you don't believe this then its logic not to. Islam isn't the product of some Emperor in Rome deciding what is right for him, but a reconfirmation of the messages of previous prophets. As for belief in God, remember nothing just 'creates' itself. We have this evidence every day in our lives. Just got to look.
@theprof291166 I shall try to address all your points I am not a huge fan of Dawkins, I have read and respect his biology work but I don't like everything he says on the subject of religion. If you wish to criticize something in particular that he has said then I would not rush to defend him on any point of principle
"...what is wrong with Dogma? If God has set down some rules, then its logic to follow them"
I would agree except that we don't know what Gods rules are. According to your faith we should accept the absolute truth of words heard by a prophet purportedly by God (except those that were actually from the devil) and I see no reason to do so, and many to doubt the claim. Similarly other religious groups have their rules set down, and all are equally convinced that they know (tbc)
@theprof291166 (cont) the rules of God. You can't all be right and I have no method for ascertaining the truth of one particular religion over another (and neither, I humbly submit, do you!)
As for the merits of dogma, well I should think it obvious that many of the rules dogmatically pronounced in the old testament of the Christian faith are a very good reason for why dogma is dangerous.
@theprof291166 Finally, I just have to point out the flaw in this statement
"As for belief in God, remember nothing just 'creates' itself". I don't know if I agree with this or not, but if I did, as you do, I would like to ask who or what created God? Has it not occurred to you that this fails totally even as a rhetorical device for asserting the existence of a deity, much less as a supposed prooof of one.
Christians are persecuted because they believe in something that others find foul. Congratulations, every single one of our ancestral groups was persecuted at some point in time. In the 1940's, my ancestors were imprisoned on 4 different continents.
oh and there allowed to preach their religion to christian children everyone has a right to preach their own belief's those radical Muslim fuckheads should be the one in jail for they are the one's who are truly dangerous!!
FUCK JUDAISM CHRISTIANITY AND ISALAM WHY ARE ASIANS FIGHTING FOR JEWS AND ARABS WHO ARE COUSINS AND FOOL THE WORLD ACCORDING TO DEMOCRACY ITS FINE TO GO TO JAIL IF UR CHRISTIAN IN INDONASIA SINCE MAJORITY IS MUSLIMS IF INDONASIANS KEEP THIS UP THEY WILL KILL EACH OTHER IN NAME OF CHRISTIANITY AND ISLAM WHAT KIND OF RELIGION IS THAT FUCK JEWS AND FUCK ARABS LONG LIVE ASIANS AND ORIENTALS
Coming to a city near you in America. The ACLU or the murderous muslims will try and silence the gospel of Jesus Christ. 3 years in jail is nothing compared to infinite hell and these Sunday school teachers know this. God bless them.
People wake up! your messing around with the creator of the earth, only a fool says theirs no God! Jesus is Lord, dnt go to hell! dnt be an idiot! this world was not created in sin wake up!
Jesus rocks! He is King of Kings and Lord of Lord's! Every knee will bow, and every toungue shall confess that Jesus is Lord, everything he said would happen is coming to past, poor muslims being deceived and do not even know it, if they go to hell God told them and they did not listen bad thing to do, Jesus is Lord he cannot deny himself sorry give your life to God, and the one who died for your sin, and he will give you the counselor which is the holy spirit!
we need to bring all nonmuslims living in muslim countries to north america now. this will strengthen both us and them. if i was president i would give them all free tickets and citizenships. north america is hungry for workers atm and atm we have companies hiring millions of uneducated mexicans who cant even speak english so why not bring in our allies from the other continents too. im not anti-mexicans what i am saying is lets double up to strengthen ourselves even more.
Dont ever talk about INDONESIA like you know everything about it ! Because Im 100% Native Indonesian muslim, my country is the LARGEST MUSLIM-MAJORITY in South-East Asia (Over 170 Million of 230 Million Population are muslims) and we dont take ISLAMIC SHARIA as basic foundation of Law ! In Indonesian Law, Converting people from other religion is FORBIDDEN ! in this case, CHRISTIANS are not allowed to convert muslims to Christian, and muslims are not allowed to convert Christians to Islam.
@billyasik Ok so wait your saying if i were preaching christianity and someone decided to convert on their own freewill they woudn't be allowed,Its a human's choice in what they want to beileve in,and all should have that freedom.
You are right, but in this case, Those children WERE TOLD to sing Prayers to Jesus, and read the BIBLE. Their Parents were upset because they didn't know their children were told to do such a thing, those children didn't refuse because they are just Childrens ! They didn't understand THAT Deep about religions. So this "secret" Activity is Considered AGAINST Indonesian Law, and they Deserved to be punished. Thanks to Allah, the "Extreme Muslims" didn't have the chance to kill them,
Beloved, do not trust every spirit but test the spirits to see whether they belong to god, because many false prophets have gone out into the world.This is how you can know the spirit of God: every spirit that acknowledges jesus does not belong to god.This is the spirit of the antichrist that as you heard, is to come, but in fact is already in the world. -1st john 4:1-3:
@Mostuse you clearly have no idea about Christianity then. It should be called 'Paulineism' as its more to do with the teachings of Paul sponsored by Constantine than by Christ himselft - and 75% of the Bible is the Torah anyway. Go and do some research before calling Muhammed 'Satnan's prophet'.
@theprof291166 Mo was a sinner &had blood on his hands.Jesus was sinless which made Muhammad look bad.This is 1 of the reasons why Mo rewrote the bible in the Quran to elevate the Quran and reduce Jesus's divinity.The whole excercise was to show to his gullible followers that his evil acts were endorsable by God, hence the Satanic teachings and his criminal acts backed by his thugs he called his companions, who raided and looted, raped and took slaves for sexual and financial gain.
You guys and your religious ignorance are getting on my nerve. Neither jesus nor allah is real, wake up, wake up. Do you know how much trouble and religious war happened because of your faiths? Religions are just ancient beliefs that have given rise to hatred, intolerance, sexism, homophobia and rejection of scientific thinking. The bible and quran are replete with harsh punishments and violation of human rights, still, most of you uphold these scriptures as your guide. So please, wake up.
i'm glad the muslim in philippines are minority,most of filipino are christians, the muslim autonomous here is the one gave us more shame, they act like indones muslim,they are so cruel and barbaric,just watch the maguindanao masacre
@1212nur , so if you leave Islam and convert to being a Christian there is no trouble with that in Indonesia, Singapore or Malaysia? just wanted to know since it is not what i hear. i live in USA ?
@buzzobug i dont know what laws they have in those countries? i live in the UK.
and if you are about to say..."islam says its death"....then i will ask you to prove it from verses in the Qur'an if you cant using verses off of the quran. i will kindly ask you to learn some decent information that will better you in faith.
And i would also recomend that you show abit more respect to the name of Jesus peace be upon him, as that isnt his real name nor is it pronounced in that manner.
@1212nur , my wife happens to be from Malaysia and she says if you convert over there you better just go ahead and leave the country. They don,t allow it., She has friends over there that are Muslim and you can,t convert if you are born Muslim , a little different if you are Christian and marry a Muslim, if when he dies you can convert back i think she said. She is going back this week for a visit. She is a Catholic i am not but am a Christian.
@buzzobug as we all know at the tym he lived and the language he spoke the letter J was never found, nor did they pronounce it in a J manner. same can be said for john, jacob, jonah. if the latino/spanish christians are call him jezues( pronounced heyzues), there is obviously a problem there?
if jesus was here today and you called out jesus, he wouldnt turn around. and that is the truth, im not trying to be mean, im just opening your eyes to the matter.
@1212nur , HIs name at that time in Aramaric, is Yeshua. and i would have said that then. But as it said now in English it is Jesus and trust me He Would Turn Around and i am going to see him face to face when i pass away. and i hope you do to, as He is the only way to salvation, period.
@buzzobug Jesus and Yeshua are two different names, u christians are suppose to be followers of christ, yet u cant even have the respect to call him by HIS name peace be upon him. to me this shows your levelof love for him and it is very low, you are tripping up in the early stages, this is a minor matter,so where is christianity regarding the bigger more major issues.
@1212nur , tell me what language do most people speak in the US? and i already knew his name in Aramaric was Yeshua. so tell me what does the name of Christ mean? Or Messiah? and for the most part over in the US we are not suffering persecution like in some other countries. I know God and God knows me and has spoken to me. one nite many years ago as i was praying and sometimes God will draw near. He wispered so to speak in my mind. "i love you"
@buzzobug that is hardly an argument just becoz u live in the US and u speak english. Messiah and christ have dictionary definitions, they have meanings, Jesus on the other hand is a NAME you cant translate names! (e.g King= leader, ruler..ect)
ppl arent suffering persectuion in the US because its a democracy, it isnt ruled my christian fanatics, or christian law, if the christians had there way thy would stop the gays and the under age pregnancies, and the abortions.
@1212nur , what are you trying to say? Jesus is God the Son, and God is ONE, you can,t understand that and i see it in HOLY SCRIPTURE, THE BIBLE, Messiah and Christ mean ANOINTED ONE, Jesus has always been God and always will be God. Why do you think the Jews had him killed? there is a book by some economist out of Louisana "democracy the God that failed" the question for you is that who do you say that Jesus is? i know who he is. I
@buzzobug well muslims agree that messiah and christ mean anointed one! the messiah is christ! the jews proved using the law that a messiah sent from God cant be crucified, getting crucified is a curse!! they humiliated him (suposedly becoz muslims believe jesus didnt get crucified but someone that looked like him got crucifed instead). But Jesus never gt crucified he walked with the ppl after in hiding then later was raised to the heavens w8ing for his return, to defeat the anti-christ!
@buzzobug Jesus is the son of Mary, of virgin birth. he is the messiah! he was sent to the jews so that they came bk to GOD. he preformd many miracles, gave sight to the blind, life to the dead and much more. he will come back at the end of tym to defeat the antoi-christ.
nothing he did or said made him GOD. he even prayed to GOD( just as we do), he didnt pray to himself thats absurd.
@1212nur , and for the most part the Jews rejected Him just as it was wrote in the OT. the only Salvation is through the Lord Jesus as , tell me have you ever sinned in your life? I know i have and so i needed a Redeemer and since mankind was flawed in sin from the fall of Adam and Eve , as we all partake of orginal sin. So that means only God himself could be the perfect sacrifice for mans sin. So the Lord Jesus came just as it is said in the OT, the Lamb of God would take away the sin of th
@1212nur . tell me what do you mean , it is a saying so get this,, the NT is hid within the OT. and the OT is revealed in the NT. If you know where to look. figure that one out, as i know some of the answers where to look. YOU don,t since you don,t believe. the OT talks about the Lamb being slain for the sins of Israel. That always pointed forward to the Lord Jesus the true lamb of God, read the first 3 chapters of the book of John
@buzzobug what i mean is do you accept the OT fully, or partly as being the word of GOD? do you feel many parts of the OT have no relavance to current(modern) day society?
do you believe the OT is the word of GOD, do you follow it? if not then why refer to it
Thats ridiculous you said that you have to believe to know where to look, surely i am( or a jew, athiest , agnostics) a disbeliever and wil lnever discover the hidden messages? thats stupid.
@1212nur , the OT points the way to the NT. and trust me if you really knew where to look you would see the Lord Jesus in the OT. For God opens the eyes of those who really want too know. if YOU don,t want to know then you will die in your sins and go to where you don,t want to go. that is the truth. go read the book of Exodus and see where Moses took the Lamb and killed the Lamb. that Lamb is a type of the Lord Jesus. it is called types and shadows. i think this is over your head .
@1212nur the OT is the word of God , but some parts are not far today for the Christian. Show me where the Christian is going to offer animal sacfrices on the temple altar! No Christian should be believing that we are to offer such sacfrices for their sin when the perfect sacfrice is the true Lamb of God, the Lord Jesus. and for you , you are to offer a perfect sacfrice for your sin and since you don,t have one as only one God will accept and that is Jesus, then you will die in your si
@buzzobug At least u know where muslims stand with regards to Jesus. we call him the messiah (not GOD), what he wanted to be known as and was known as. u still havent answerd my previous question on what arbaham would have been preaching about the trinity, GOd the father and jesus his son, or any other of the messengers for that matter?
@1212nur what? If you have ever read the OT you would see what God told Moses about how He revealed Himself to Abraham. God Himself said He only revealed Himself as God Almighty to Abraham and to Moses He also revealed Himself also as the LORD. Or I AM. "I Am what I AM", that is just what Jesus told the Jews in the book of John. IN the book of Acts. NT, we see in chapter 20, verse 28, "to shepherd the church of God which He purchased with His own blood." So tell me what it says.
@buzzobug Jesus's miracle birth,and powers didnt make him GOD. just as the parting of the sea and the staff turning to snake of moses didnt make moses GOD, just as Jonah managed to breathe in the belly of the big fish without sufocating didnt make him GOD. every messenger or profet needs to come with signs and miracles for ppl to believe.
u didnt answer my Question from B4, when i said what was it that the previous messengers preached about salvation and GOD?
@1212nur , what are you talking about? and if you ever read the Bible you will see where it is said that Jesus would be born at such city and how he would die and how he would suffer and so forth. Tell me did you knowbeforehand where you would be born and how you would die . and you don,t understand Jesus prayed to God the Father. But he is still God just as he told the Jews. read the book of John. He openly declared himself to be God. Tell me would a person in his right mind do this?
@buzzobug for arguments sake if ur name was brad and a chinese guy was calling you 'Bù lā dé' in his language, in front of you. would you realise he was talking about you?
you dont like it when muslims call GOD 'Allah' as if we r relating things to satan?
what u dnt realise is that when you call GOD GOD in english, u r indirectly implying that god is a male,this is because the english language has the word godess which refers to a female God.
@buzzobug "salvation through jesus" is this the call to god? was moses preaching this? who was instructing that abraham should sacrifice his child? GOD allmighty or jesus?
jesus is a mere human like you and me he only came into existance 2000 years ago. jonah,moses,abraham, noah wernt preaching salvation through the virgin birth child of mary that hasnt happend yet! they were preaching that there is a GOD worship him surender to him and be good and you will attain heaven.
@1212nur They don't target children out of desperation. They target children because of a child's innocence and because a child will not judge someone like an adult will. The news anchor even said that these children's parents were aware that the kids went to sunday school with their christian friends. They had to know that their children would be taught christianity. They LET their children go, and then turned around and jailed the women who taught them. I just hope these women keep teaching.
@1212nur lol what about muhammed? and all the killing and raping in pakistan? u speak so cleanly about islam but christians have always been attacked in muslims countries. its the truth and you have to do something about it than to ignore it
You people who killing eachother, tell me who created your God or Allah? Has Allah created himself? Come on! Wake up! Who created hate in your heart? Think about this!!!
because we donot go around preaching because ppl dont listen. indonesia is an islamic state operating under shariah law simple as. i wouldn't go live in america and and start embezzling money it may be legal where iam from but its illegal there!
indonesia a islamic state?????? prostitution is legal there dude.... they are like the turks or americans, they call themselves muslim or christians but do allllllllllll the sins
@planking78 no, i have been to Saudi, the most they will do is conviscate the bible and trash it. However i do agree that they do what they want, but if they receive the same treatment, they scream like little children. Just look at the recent threat of Quran burning in the US, they protest and burn American flags, bunch of hypocritical peasants.
Jesus said blessed are you when men persecute you because of me for GREAT is your reward in heaven. These three women may have nothing in these world, but they have eternal treasures in heaven which can not be rotten. They encouraged my faith and walk with my Lord Jesus!
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Do not speak to something that you do not know. if you've ever been to Indonesia ? You will be surprised with Bhinneka Tunggal Ika.
We have hundreds of ethnic groups and five major religions. you think how this country can continue to exist. Bhinneka Tunggal Ika in English it means only unity in diversity, but the meaning is actually more than that.
so for this case there must be something more than just a religious conversion.
gundala08 2 days ago
used to be video here on youtube where it showed the court room scene with a few hundred muslims chanting death to rebbecca do you agree? i wish someone would re upload that clip its hard to find now
thomas242007 2 days ago
Only 3 years
OMG should 100 years
Proud became indonesian
oyexx46 3 weeks ago
These three women are saints!!! May Lord Jesus bless them...
sry28 2 months ago
i fuckin hate islam
now that i left that death cult
DarkprinX2500 4 months ago
@DarkprinX2500 it sounds like you are very hurt from when you were a muslim, but we have to forgive! otherwise, it could keep you from being completely filled with God's love. Its prob the hardest part about being God's child, but without forgiveness its hard to have a relationship with Him. <3
Paulismyhero777 1 month ago
We muslims are willing to let all the blacksheep of islam to go away and only the good ones will stay or come to islam.
Fadzuli32 5 months ago
You should fuckin' your mother first before doin' this
Fisher5969 5 months ago
hahahaha its legal when a non muslim converts to muslim. but when a muslim convert to other religions, this is what happens. so childish!!!!
MrAndrewSuresh 5 months ago
@MrAndrewSuresh Do not speak to something that you do not know. if you've ever been to Indonesia ? You will be surprised with Bhinneka Tunggal Ika.
We have hundreds of ethnic groups and five major religions. you think how this country can continue to exist. Bhinneka Tunggal Ika in English it means only unity in diversity, but the meaning is actually more than that.
so for this case there must be something more than just a religious conversion.
gundala08 2 days ago
they have the right to ban muslim women from wearing the burka , burn quran , make cartoons of our prophet muhammad (pbuh) but we dont have the right to execute their prists?? why ??
trust me we execute them cause we think of our children.......we muslims have enough problems on our hand already........we r already at war with entire west and we also have to take down the only super power in the world n last thing we need is ur child molesting prists in our country.
Tansirul 5 months ago
@Tansirul Right so... they draw pictures, you execute them?
eurasianchica 2 months ago
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@eurasianchica they r not drawing pictures of me or u cause they knows drawing pictures of us is not gonna hurt any1 but they goes drawing pictures of prophet muhammad (pbuh) knowin it would hurt the feelings of muslims....they dont mind hurtin our feelings so y should we have a problem hurting them?
if u throw a stone at some1 then u must be ready to receive atleast few harsh words in return.
Tansirul 2 months ago
thats how these HUMAN worshipping vermin work converting children should be executed so they can be judged in barzakh damn cheek
sajakram1 5 months ago
thats how these HUMAN worshipping vermin work converting children should be executed so they can be judged in barzakh damn cheek
sajakram1 5 months ago
Praise The Lord!
jeannewauran 5 months ago
I am disgusted to see so many hateful responses to this item. Such foul language and expressions. This isn't about all you people having a go at one another, it's about following God and loving one another. God must weep when he sees so much hatred going on between HIS children. The OT says "thou shalt not kill" - I assume the Quran says similar. How about people from all religions abiding by that and then people can start living in peace and worshipping God (or Allah) as they want.
perrosenmicasa 5 months ago
I saw the video of the beginning of the court proceedings. The crowd was calling for these women to be hung for teaching Sunday school. They were also threatening that if the verdict was not guilty that they would take the law into their own hands to punish the women with death. Very scary.
MsColdCanada 6 months ago
When an atheist criticizes Christianity that is not as serious because Atheists are not persecuting Christians in a violent manner around the world. I understand that you may have serious theological disagreements and that is fine, but I think you should keep your comments to yourself at this time because it further intensifies hatred of Christians. I ask you for tolerance and love and compassion. I want to give you a chance to demonstrate this.
Ryanyarb24 7 months ago
I ask Muslims who have goodness in their hearts to strongly encourage the end of persecution of Christians. I believe you have goodness in your hearts because you are human beings and you have the ability. I pray that you do the right thing. I also ask that you do not say bad things about Christianity, because I believe it adds fuel to a raging fire that is persecuting Christians. It has a serious impact when Muslims speak ill of Christianity. If you disagree with the divinity of Jesus so be it.
Ryanyarb24 7 months ago
By the way the muslims are persecuting the christians world wide .This is proof that they are the antichrist , We all know that the anti christ is from satan himself , Jesus predicted that his followers would be persecuted luke 12;12 in reality the muslims are fufilling Jesus prophecy ,wehther they realise this or not ,the muslims allow themselves to be used by satan himself , this in turn makes them enemies of god , the muslim better think about this and repent while there is still for this .
nedboer 8 months ago
It's their right to speak what they believe, don't muslims do the same? SOME muslims in Indonesia have no respect to other religion. What if they do the same? Other religious group won't do barbaric things like they did. (ex, that group called FPI) Even most of the TV programs in Indonesia contains Islamic matter. n kids also watch it. It's just unfair, how they treat other religion. It's easy to get permission to build a mosque, but it's very hard to get the permission to build church/temple.
RoseinTheIce 9 months ago
@RoseinTheIce I am hoping that Muslims of good conscious take a stand, I really hope in Indonesia they allow Christians to build their churches and worship freely.
Ryanyarb24 7 months ago
21 "But he who does the truth comes to the light, that his deeds may be clearly seen, that they have been done in God."
* John 3:16-17 should be in quotes as well.
Huma949 9 months ago
18" He who believes in him is not condemned; but he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. "
19" And this is the codemnation, that the light has come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil."
20 "For everyone practicing evil hates the light and does not come to the light, lest his deeds should be exposed."
Huma949 9 months ago
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For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life.
For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved. John 3:16-17
Huma949 9 months ago
FUCK YOU CHRISTIANS WHAT FUCKING JESUS UR TALKING ABOUT ??? YOU THEY SHOULD NOT CONVERT A CHILDREN FUCKING SHIT UR DOING THAT IN ISLAMIC COUNTRY OF INDONESIA???? TO ALL FUCKING CHRISTIAN OF THE WORLD UR SUCH A FUCKING IDIOT
MyKUREI 10 months ago
@MyKUREI I pray for you, I pray god comes into your mind, body and heart to change it for the better, I pray right now you stop hating people for there own belifes as we dont hate you. I pray to the father your eyes are opened right now for the fact of your own hate on any one. If you hate then you are no better then the ones you hate. but god himeself lets the sun shine on even the evil proving he is perfect, so you do the same I pray for you this..
mystic81006 10 months ago
im indonesian. her smile so freedom :)
im a christianity. i know well my country. discrimination to my faith. [sorry, my english not good]
destryanto 11 months ago
@destryanto
I have seen several of your posts. Just feel confident with your english :)
coydia 9 months ago
islam RUINED indonesia. lots of people in poverty knows nothing other than quran!! its ridicolous. it angers me when muslims treat christians like second class citizens when they believe in same god. muslims who treats non-muslim like shit...SHAME ON YOU!!!!! thats why islam is the most hated religion in the world. islam=terrorist. dont like it? do something to improve islam's image than to spit your bigotry remarks u tool
MrKingPin360 1 year ago
@MrKingPin360 islam is fine, its growth is gr8. the uneducted muslums r beibg reachd, but u cn never get rid of all bad apples.
u had a dig at islam so its only fair i return it:
extreme christians bomb abortion clinics in america, priests sexualy abuse ther young followers in the UK and Ireland. Gay priests in the UK openly. Gay marriages in the church in the UK being mae allowable. in nigeria the chistians who think tthr child is a witch, or possesed is beaten andthrown out into the strt
1212nur 1 year ago
@1212nur lol come on!!! witchcrafts are being practiced by unedcuated people, this still goes on in indonesia too. gay priests are evrywhere, and unfortunately child abuses are also happening (more in jakarta!!), not just by christians but by atheists and muslims alike. extreme christians do do things that are crazy, like northern ireland war for example, but they dont go around bombing bali or ritz carlton or twin towers. u need to address the serious problem islam is having with extremism
MrKingPin360 1 year ago
@MrKingPin360 no muslim is saying ther aint a problem, ther is? we r goin thru a bad patch. and we r adressing the issues in the Mosques, but u woulnd no tht, coz u dont attend the Mosque.
lol exactly! christians r doing it too.
In islam the person who takes the life of an innocent is as if he killed the whole of humanity in the eyes of God.
in not talking about child abuse, im talking about child being SEXUALY abused by preists, cos thy dont get none, as they cant marry!!!
1212nur 1 year ago
@1212nur lol cant get any...riiiight. in uk those dirty pakistani muslims are staining islam. even the arabs n bengalis agree to this bombshell. havent you heard the news about pakistanis men up north in manchester abusing little girls? even jack straw acknowledges this recently, n the prime minister over 'integration'. so who are innocent and who are guilty may i ask? jews? westerns? non believers in islam? im no stranger to islam, i grew up in indonesia!
MrKingPin360 1 year ago
@MrKingPin360 i dont understand ur point of agrument? r u saying muslims r saints/commit no crime...etc?
a crime is a crime! no matter what country ur in, u need 2 abide by its laws. if u go against the Law(government) then ur punishment is jail..etc.
you do a crime against gods law..e.g sinful acts ur punishment is with God.
ther r criminals in all cultures, religions...etc.
1212nur 1 year ago
@1212nur lol no, i didnt imply that muslims commit no crime, quite to the contrary!! they commit THE MOST crime, by 21st century standard. ck ck mbak nur sok tau aja
MrKingPin360 1 year ago
@MrKingPin360 Wtf? u sound so retarded.
u just proved the point that muslims wer decent ppl b4 the 21st centry
1212nur 1 year ago
@1212nur lol what the fuck r u on about u stupit bitch?! yea im a retarded guy who earns more than ur parents combined, i wont go into details, im wasting my breath with a cheap slut like u. go back to where u belong and stop tainting uk with ur muslim shit. the british dont welcome u
MrKingPin360 1 year ago
@1212nur lolololol and how the hell r muslim people decent people??? ur pathetic cheap idealogy reeks of stupidy beyond human comprehension. just watch. edl will fuck u up in ur streets soon enough
MrKingPin360 1 year ago
@1212nur hahahaha you just got OWNED!!!!!! BIAAAAATCH!! HAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHA!!!! go run away with ur tails between ur legs like a muslim pig that u r HAHAHAHAAHAHA
MrKingPin360 1 year ago
@MrKingPin360 u wish,my dads an engineer for balfour beatty, and my mums a barister. i dont think u can even compare.
dream on wasteman.at the age of 21 ive even got a degree as a civil engineer,working for Arups.
and wtf is this "ck ck mbak nur sok tau aja"????
1212nur 1 year ago
@1212nur oh right!!! we all live in the same world and i might see u around as im thinking to transfer to arup. and its not so hard to spot an ethnic indonesia? assuming that ur name is nur. as so happen im a construction manager for a big australian company in singapore with a FAT expat package n low tax, less than rip off 40% in uk, bigger than balfour beatty, ur old man may earn more than me now!!! but not for long! suck on my big cock
MrKingPin360 1 year ago
@1212nur soon enough i will make contracts manager either in my company (wont tell u the name) or arup, and that is higher in earning than a senior civil engineer HAHAHAHAHAAHAH. u picked the wrong degree loser!! suck on my balls. that was indonesian/melayu for 'you think you know it all but u dont'. uuuuh you got OWNED AGAIN, i feel so happy when u said u were civil engineer hahahaha. one day, just one day once u do msc u might get chartered......
MrKingPin360 1 year ago
the christian life is better than muslim way of life, its teaching and philosophy...christian is all about equality and peace...here in philippines(the only christian country in SE), minority muslims can freely do of their faith, but still these minority muslims are bitching us, like bombing and killing innocent christians...
asyo22 1 year ago
Jesus is the ONLY way, TRUTH and LIFE
He is the Almighty, Omega, Beginning and END.
May the almighty living God bless the three women and comfort them with peace and love. Jesus is Love.
22871987 1 year ago
Cut their guts out, and feed them to the dogs.
eliminatereligion 1 year ago
i hope fucken christians die
eliminatereligion 1 year ago
@eliminatereligion
the way of thinking of person without peace of mind...an instinct of devil
asyo22 1 year ago
good..its called karma ..think about what u evil christians did to pagans and indigenous people all over the world! u want freedoms u dont give others!
WORLDARYANREVIVAL 1 year ago
Where is the peace in ISLAM IDEOLOGY. ISLAM is not even a religion but it is an IDEOLOGY just like Communism is an IDEOLOGY to take over the world... Look at the nations that embrace ISLAM in their government - PAKISTAN, IRAN, Egypt, Indonesia, Sudan... Where is the PEACE within these nations? ISLAM is full of hatred, violence and murder of people... and it is obvious ISLAM comes from Satan whom is full of hate, violence, and murder.
janestree 1 year ago 2
may God Bless the Three of You and your family! Amen! Jesus is The Only Way to eternal Life and He will Reign Forever and ever!
alanapo 1 year ago
It is funny how Jesus works often in our life. I too once lived in prison for insignificant time compared to them. It was the hardest time in my life. Yet in my darkest hour, I felt God's grace more then ever. I enjoyed my time there.
Do you know that it is easier to speak about gospel of salvation inside prison more that anywhere in the world? Seriously, if you doubt what I said, just try it even for once.
The harvest is here, but we don't have enough harvester. Will you also be the one?
edwardlucky82 1 year ago
Indonesia is home to moderate moslem, pluralism and tolerance. No way for fundamentalism and fanaticism. Let's respect to other religions. Better focus on improving the quality and faith of own religious members, rather than preaching outside with fanaticism spirit.
derekijo 1 year ago
ONLY MUSLIMS SPREAD THEIR RELIGION THRU FEAR AND IMPRISONMENT. IF IT IS RELIGION OF COMPASSION, SUCH THINGS WILL NOT HAPPEN. NOT ONLY IN INDONESIA BUT OTHER MUSLIM MAJORITY COUNTRIES TOO.
wise003090 1 year ago
@wise003090 umm, converting children under the age of 10, is highly contraversial. kids cant even look after themselves without the help of there parents.
i cant see how these kids would have got around the concept of the trinity? help!!!
1212nur 1 year ago 2
muslin claim for respect religion fuck dog muslim
papichulo8604 1 year ago
Now they convert people in jail. EPIC. MUSLIM. FAIL. EVARRR
laurensj89 1 year ago
God bless those women :).
mechaart 1 year ago
@mechaart yep, these women are converting CHILDREN. very ugly tactic.......targeting young vulnerable children, just highlights the lows christianity finds itself. they cant explain the oneness of god to the adualts, so next best thing children.
1212nur 1 year ago 4
@1212nur these preachers chose to educate childrens so at a very young age they will know how to live the Christian life, to know who is the creator of heaven and earth and to know the way to ever lasting life. May Jesus Christ bless You and your family. I will pray for you.
alanapo 1 year ago
oh my gawd...... Religion is really unbelievable, its a lie people! We don't need god, we have our friends and family to help us, God need us!
DoNotLaughAtMe 1 year ago
Muhammadans accept evil as good, and good as evil.
This is what Muhammadan Islam has done to them
-Woe to those who call evil good and good evil, who put darkness for light and light for darkness- (Isaiah 5:20)
Mostuse 1 year ago
@theprof291166 Muhammad's criminal, brutal & evil deeds and satanic teachings proved what Jesus warned us from = Be aware of false prophets who come to you in sheep's clothing but inwardly are ravenous wolves who will decieve many people..you will know them by their fruits, nor can a bad tree bear good fruit.
Now tell me, doesn't this describe Muhammad???
It is rediculous to consider Mo as a perfect human whose example we must follow.
What example exactly is that??? Evil?
Islam is false!
Mostuse 1 year ago 2
@Mostuse I also read somewhere that Mohammed was illiterate and had false visions. I think his father worshiped idols in a temple.
"On that day many will come to me and say Lord Lord have we not done all these works and miracles and have cast out demons all in your name".
"Then I will say"
"I never knew you, depart from me you that work iniquity"
mechaart 1 year ago
@messenger36 so who are the slaves and concubines then? Which child did he have sex with then?
theprof291166 1 year ago
@aperisions your mentally ill my friend - if your a real christian you won't write such diatribe like that. Where are your manners? Get an education before you say such rubbish. Stop watching CNN.
theprof291166 1 year ago
@xtrashed yes both are quite dangerous
smileyg333 1 year ago
This is why religion is so dangerous.
smileyg333 1 year ago
@smileyg333
No, that is why extremism is dangerous. Islamic extremists are a minority of all religious people.
xtrashed 1 year ago
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theprof- Jesus is the way, the truth and the life. John 14:6
OpenEye73 1 year ago
Muslims believe in one God. Christians believe in 3 Gods being One. This is insane, if you think about it. This is why its impossible to convert a Muslim into a Christian because its illogical, and as far as Islam is concerned its a grave sin, called Shirk, which for Allah is totally unforgiveable. Its a bigger sin than Murder. So don't waste your time Christians, but believe in ONE GOD not 3.
theprof291166 1 year ago
@theprof291166 One god; three gods ... You're all gullible.
damo2353 1 year ago
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theprof291166 1 year ago
@damo2353 Are you from the Church of Darwin then?
theprof291166 1 year ago
@theprof291166 There is no church of Darwin. Darwin explained a theory, he did not create a dogma.
damo2353 1 year ago
@damo2353 OK then - but Richard Dawkins certainly tries with his evangelism. And anyway what is wrong with Dogma? If God has set down some rules, then its logic to follow them. If you don't believe this then its logic not to. Islam isn't the product of some Emperor in Rome deciding what is right for him, but a reconfirmation of the messages of previous prophets. As for belief in God, remember nothing just 'creates' itself. We have this evidence every day in our lives. Just got to look.
theprof291166 1 year ago
@theprof291166 I shall try to address all your points I am not a huge fan of Dawkins, I have read and respect his biology work but I don't like everything he says on the subject of religion. If you wish to criticize something in particular that he has said then I would not rush to defend him on any point of principle
to be continued
damo2353 1 year ago
@damo2353 OK look forward to it.. !
theprof291166 1 year ago
@theprof291166
"...what is wrong with Dogma? If God has set down some rules, then its logic to follow them"
I would agree except that we don't know what Gods rules are. According to your faith we should accept the absolute truth of words heard by a prophet purportedly by God (except those that were actually from the devil) and I see no reason to do so, and many to doubt the claim. Similarly other religious groups have their rules set down, and all are equally convinced that they know (tbc)
damo2353 1 year ago
@theprof291166 (cont) the rules of God. You can't all be right and I have no method for ascertaining the truth of one particular religion over another (and neither, I humbly submit, do you!)
As for the merits of dogma, well I should think it obvious that many of the rules dogmatically pronounced in the old testament of the Christian faith are a very good reason for why dogma is dangerous.
damo2353 1 year ago
@theprof291166 Finally, I just have to point out the flaw in this statement
"As for belief in God, remember nothing just 'creates' itself". I don't know if I agree with this or not, but if I did, as you do, I would like to ask who or what created God? Has it not occurred to you that this fails totally even as a rhetorical device for asserting the existence of a deity, much less as a supposed prooof of one.
damo2353 1 year ago
Christians are persecuted because they believe in something that others find foul. Congratulations, every single one of our ancestral groups was persecuted at some point in time. In the 1940's, my ancestors were imprisoned on 4 different continents.
jesuriah 1 year ago
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All that it takes for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing."
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rolsstanna2 1 year ago
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All that it takes for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing."
--Edmund Burke
rolsstanna2 1 year ago
oh and there allowed to preach their religion to christian children everyone has a right to preach their own belief's those radical Muslim fuckheads should be the one in jail for they are the one's who are truly dangerous!!
paladinoftyr 1 year ago
SO NO ONE BELIEVED IN GOD BEFORE JUDAISM CHRISTIANITY AND ISLAM RELIGIOUS PEOPLE MAKE ME SOO MAD
SHINYABOY 1 year ago
@SHINYABOY It also makes me sad that someone is trying to get some attention by commenting in capital letters.
762459 1 year ago
FUCK JUDAISM CHRISTIANITY AND ISALAM WHY ARE ASIANS FIGHTING FOR JEWS AND ARABS WHO ARE COUSINS AND FOOL THE WORLD ACCORDING TO DEMOCRACY ITS FINE TO GO TO JAIL IF UR CHRISTIAN IN INDONASIA SINCE MAJORITY IS MUSLIMS IF INDONASIANS KEEP THIS UP THEY WILL KILL EACH OTHER IN NAME OF CHRISTIANITY AND ISLAM WHAT KIND OF RELIGION IS THAT FUCK JEWS AND FUCK ARABS LONG LIVE ASIANS AND ORIENTALS
SHINYABOY 1 year ago
@SHINYABOY I think Indonesian corruption is more of a problem don't you?
theprof291166 1 year ago
Coming to a city near you in America. The ACLU or the murderous muslims will try and silence the gospel of Jesus Christ. 3 years in jail is nothing compared to infinite hell and these Sunday school teachers know this. God bless them.
Jesuslovesamericans 1 year ago
People wake up! your messing around with the creator of the earth, only a fool says theirs no God! Jesus is Lord, dnt go to hell! dnt be an idiot! this world was not created in sin wake up!
MrMartinas89 1 year ago
And more Jesus!
MrMartinas89 1 year ago
Jesus!
MrMartinas89 1 year ago
Jesus rocks! He is King of Kings and Lord of Lord's! Every knee will bow, and every toungue shall confess that Jesus is Lord, everything he said would happen is coming to past, poor muslims being deceived and do not even know it, if they go to hell God told them and they did not listen bad thing to do, Jesus is Lord he cannot deny himself sorry give your life to God, and the one who died for your sin, and he will give you the counselor which is the holy spirit!
MrMartinas89 1 year ago
@MrMartinas89 Amen!!!!!!!! Couldn't have said it better.
Jesuslovesamericans 1 year ago
@MrMartinas89 How can Jesus be 'Lord'?!? So who is God then? Where in the Bible did Jesus pronounce himself God? Where?
theprof291166 1 year ago
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we need to bring all nonmuslims living in muslim countries to north america now. this will strengthen both us and them. if i was president i would give them all free tickets and citizenships. north america is hungry for workers atm and atm we have companies hiring millions of uneducated mexicans who cant even speak english so why not bring in our allies from the other continents too. im not anti-mexicans what i am saying is lets double up to strengthen ourselves even more.
JazistheGreatest 1 year ago
Dont ever talk about INDONESIA like you know everything about it ! Because Im 100% Native Indonesian muslim, my country is the LARGEST MUSLIM-MAJORITY in South-East Asia (Over 170 Million of 230 Million Population are muslims) and we dont take ISLAMIC SHARIA as basic foundation of Law ! In Indonesian Law, Converting people from other religion is FORBIDDEN ! in this case, CHRISTIANS are not allowed to convert muslims to Christian, and muslims are not allowed to convert Christians to Islam.
billyasik 1 year ago
@billyasik Ok so wait your saying if i were preaching christianity and someone decided to convert on their own freewill they woudn't be allowed,Its a human's choice in what they want to beileve in,and all should have that freedom.
bluetune89 1 year ago
@bluetune89 :
You are right, but in this case, Those children WERE TOLD to sing Prayers to Jesus, and read the BIBLE. Their Parents were upset because they didn't know their children were told to do such a thing, those children didn't refuse because they are just Childrens ! They didn't understand THAT Deep about religions. So this "secret" Activity is Considered AGAINST Indonesian Law, and they Deserved to be punished. Thanks to Allah, the "Extreme Muslims" didn't have the chance to kill them,
billyasik 1 year ago
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Beloved, do not trust every spirit but test the spirits to see whether they belong to god, because many false prophets have gone out into the world.This is how you can know the spirit of God: every spirit that acknowledges jesus does not belong to god.This is the spirit of the antichrist that as you heard, is to come, but in fact is already in the world. -1st john 4:1-3:
grvc44 1 year ago
Muhammad was Satan's Prophet !!!
The truth is now exposing Islam
Jesus said ''I am truth, the way and the light''
Mostuse 1 year ago 3
@Mostuse you clearly have no idea about Christianity then. It should be called 'Paulineism' as its more to do with the teachings of Paul sponsored by Constantine than by Christ himselft - and 75% of the Bible is the Torah anyway. Go and do some research before calling Muhammed 'Satnan's prophet'.
theprof291166 1 year ago
@theprof291166 Mo was a sinner &had blood on his hands.Jesus was sinless which made Muhammad look bad.This is 1 of the reasons why Mo rewrote the bible in the Quran to elevate the Quran and reduce Jesus's divinity.The whole excercise was to show to his gullible followers that his evil acts were endorsable by God, hence the Satanic teachings and his criminal acts backed by his thugs he called his companions, who raided and looted, raped and took slaves for sexual and financial gain.
Mostuse 1 year ago 2
while im sure we wouldnt jail them but if the inverse of this situation happened christians would not be too happy. keep your religion to yourself
Zason816 1 year ago
shes got a captive audience now , = ]
lesterclaypool1 1 year ago
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Christians say that jesus is the son of God.That means that Maria did have sexual relationship with God,with the father of jesus.
God with an human.It's impossible.
1983harun 1 year ago
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You guys and your religious ignorance are getting on my nerve. Neither jesus nor allah is real, wake up, wake up. Do you know how much trouble and religious war happened because of your faiths? Religions are just ancient beliefs that have given rise to hatred, intolerance, sexism, homophobia and rejection of scientific thinking. The bible and quran are replete with harsh punishments and violation of human rights, still, most of you uphold these scriptures as your guide. So please, wake up.
humpsato10 1 year ago
automatically in heaven.. god bless..
barbiejr 1 year ago
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Atheist here, this is messed up, no one should be jailed for sharing their ideas/beliefs/non-belief.
TheReasonWhyGuy 1 year ago
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TheReasonWhyGuy 1 year ago
i'm glad the muslim in philippines are minority,most of filipino are christians, the muslim autonomous here is the one gave us more shame, they act like indones muslim,they are so cruel and barbaric,just watch the maguindanao masacre
asyo22 2 years ago
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There's no Freedom of Religion under ISLAM!!!
m00se321 2 years ago 11
@m00se321 Yup, islam teaches its followers to stone ex-islam.
TheAngusGao 1 year ago
@m00se321 yes there is if you check your history.
theprof291166 1 year ago
@m00se321 the Quran is very clear on religious freedom.
Chapter 2, verse 256 " there is no compulsion in religion" 2:256
muslims cant force someone to be a muslim, nor can they stop someone from leaving islam. all they can do is voice there opinion, thats it!
the fact that these christians are targeting CHILDREN, just shows how desperate they've become.
10 years of age and under...... thats all i got to say
1212nur 1 year ago 3
@1212nur Sure tell that too the South Sudanese!!
m00se321 1 year ago
@m00se321 South Sudanese? whats that spose to mean?
1212nur 1 year ago
@1212nur , so if you leave Islam and convert to being a Christian there is no trouble with that in Indonesia, Singapore or Malaysia? just wanted to know since it is not what i hear. i live in USA ?
buzzobug 1 year ago
@buzzobug i dont know what laws they have in those countries? i live in the UK.
and if you are about to say..."islam says its death"....then i will ask you to prove it from verses in the Qur'an if you cant using verses off of the quran. i will kindly ask you to learn some decent information that will better you in faith.
And i would also recomend that you show abit more respect to the name of Jesus peace be upon him, as that isnt his real name nor is it pronounced in that manner.
1212nur 1 year ago
@1212nur , my wife happens to be from Malaysia and she says if you convert over there you better just go ahead and leave the country. They don,t allow it., She has friends over there that are Muslim and you can,t convert if you are born Muslim , a little different if you are Christian and marry a Muslim, if when he dies you can convert back i think she said. She is going back this week for a visit. She is a Catholic i am not but am a Christian.
buzzobug 1 year ago
@buzzobug as we all know at the tym he lived and the language he spoke the letter J was never found, nor did they pronounce it in a J manner. same can be said for john, jacob, jonah. if the latino/spanish christians are call him jezues( pronounced heyzues), there is obviously a problem there?
if jesus was here today and you called out jesus, he wouldnt turn around. and that is the truth, im not trying to be mean, im just opening your eyes to the matter.
1212nur 1 year ago
@1212nur , HIs name at that time in Aramaric, is Yeshua. and i would have said that then. But as it said now in English it is Jesus and trust me He Would Turn Around and i am going to see him face to face when i pass away. and i hope you do to, as He is the only way to salvation, period.
buzzobug 1 year ago
@buzzobug Jesus and Yeshua are two different names, u christians are suppose to be followers of christ, yet u cant even have the respect to call him by HIS name peace be upon him. to me this shows your levelof love for him and it is very low, you are tripping up in the early stages, this is a minor matter,so where is christianity regarding the bigger more major issues.
1212nur 1 year ago
@1212nur , tell me what language do most people speak in the US? and i already knew his name in Aramaric was Yeshua. so tell me what does the name of Christ mean? Or Messiah? and for the most part over in the US we are not suffering persecution like in some other countries. I know God and God knows me and has spoken to me. one nite many years ago as i was praying and sometimes God will draw near. He wispered so to speak in my mind. "i love you"
buzzobug 1 year ago
@buzzobug that is hardly an argument just becoz u live in the US and u speak english. Messiah and christ have dictionary definitions, they have meanings, Jesus on the other hand is a NAME you cant translate names! (e.g King= leader, ruler..ect)
ppl arent suffering persectuion in the US because its a democracy, it isnt ruled my christian fanatics, or christian law, if the christians had there way thy would stop the gays and the under age pregnancies, and the abortions.
1212nur 1 year ago
@1212nur , what are you trying to say? Jesus is God the Son, and God is ONE, you can,t understand that and i see it in HOLY SCRIPTURE, THE BIBLE, Messiah and Christ mean ANOINTED ONE, Jesus has always been God and always will be God. Why do you think the Jews had him killed? there is a book by some economist out of Louisana "democracy the God that failed" the question for you is that who do you say that Jesus is? i know who he is. I
buzzobug 1 year ago
@buzzobug well muslims agree that messiah and christ mean anointed one! the messiah is christ! the jews proved using the law that a messiah sent from God cant be crucified, getting crucified is a curse!! they humiliated him (suposedly becoz muslims believe jesus didnt get crucified but someone that looked like him got crucifed instead). But Jesus never gt crucified he walked with the ppl after in hiding then later was raised to the heavens w8ing for his return, to defeat the anti-christ!
1212nur 1 year ago
@buzzobug Jesus is the son of Mary, of virgin birth. he is the messiah! he was sent to the jews so that they came bk to GOD. he preformd many miracles, gave sight to the blind, life to the dead and much more. he will come back at the end of tym to defeat the antoi-christ.
nothing he did or said made him GOD. he even prayed to GOD( just as we do), he didnt pray to himself thats absurd.
1212nur 1 year ago
@1212nur , and for the most part the Jews rejected Him just as it was wrote in the OT. the only Salvation is through the Lord Jesus as , tell me have you ever sinned in your life? I know i have and so i needed a Redeemer and since mankind was flawed in sin from the fall of Adam and Eve , as we all partake of orginal sin. So that means only God himself could be the perfect sacrifice for mans sin. So the Lord Jesus came just as it is said in the OT, the Lamb of God would take away the sin of th
buzzobug 1 year ago
@buzzobug why refer to the OT if u dont accept may or even any aspects within it? and why arnt you answering my Q's from before?
1212nur 1 year ago
@1212nur . tell me what do you mean , it is a saying so get this,, the NT is hid within the OT. and the OT is revealed in the NT. If you know where to look. figure that one out, as i know some of the answers where to look. YOU don,t since you don,t believe. the OT talks about the Lamb being slain for the sins of Israel. That always pointed forward to the Lord Jesus the true lamb of God, read the first 3 chapters of the book of John
buzzobug 1 year ago
@buzzobug what i mean is do you accept the OT fully, or partly as being the word of GOD? do you feel many parts of the OT have no relavance to current(modern) day society?
do you believe the OT is the word of GOD, do you follow it? if not then why refer to it
Thats ridiculous you said that you have to believe to know where to look, surely i am( or a jew, athiest , agnostics) a disbeliever and wil lnever discover the hidden messages? thats stupid.
1212nur 1 year ago
@1212nur , the OT points the way to the NT. and trust me if you really knew where to look you would see the Lord Jesus in the OT. For God opens the eyes of those who really want too know. if YOU don,t want to know then you will die in your sins and go to where you don,t want to go. that is the truth. go read the book of Exodus and see where Moses took the Lamb and killed the Lamb. that Lamb is a type of the Lord Jesus. it is called types and shadows. i think this is over your head .
buzzobug 1 year ago
@1212nur the OT is the word of God , but some parts are not far today for the Christian. Show me where the Christian is going to offer animal sacfrices on the temple altar! No Christian should be believing that we are to offer such sacfrices for their sin when the perfect sacfrice is the true Lamb of God, the Lord Jesus. and for you , you are to offer a perfect sacfrice for your sin and since you don,t have one as only one God will accept and that is Jesus, then you will die in your si
buzzobug 1 year ago
@buzzobug At least u know where muslims stand with regards to Jesus. we call him the messiah (not GOD), what he wanted to be known as and was known as. u still havent answerd my previous question on what arbaham would have been preaching about the trinity, GOd the father and jesus his son, or any other of the messengers for that matter?
1212nur 1 year ago
@1212nur what? If you have ever read the OT you would see what God told Moses about how He revealed Himself to Abraham. God Himself said He only revealed Himself as God Almighty to Abraham and to Moses He also revealed Himself also as the LORD. Or I AM. "I Am what I AM", that is just what Jesus told the Jews in the book of John. IN the book of Acts. NT, we see in chapter 20, verse 28, "to shepherd the church of God which He purchased with His own blood." So tell me what it says.
buzzobug 1 year ago
@buzzobug Jesus's miracle birth,and powers didnt make him GOD. just as the parting of the sea and the staff turning to snake of moses didnt make moses GOD, just as Jonah managed to breathe in the belly of the big fish without sufocating didnt make him GOD. every messenger or profet needs to come with signs and miracles for ppl to believe.
u didnt answer my Question from B4, when i said what was it that the previous messengers preached about salvation and GOD?
1212nur 1 year ago
@1212nur , what are you talking about? and if you ever read the Bible you will see where it is said that Jesus would be born at such city and how he would die and how he would suffer and so forth. Tell me did you knowbeforehand where you would be born and how you would die . and you don,t understand Jesus prayed to God the Father. But he is still God just as he told the Jews. read the book of John. He openly declared himself to be God. Tell me would a person in his right mind do this?
buzzobug 1 year ago
@buzzobug for arguments sake if ur name was brad and a chinese guy was calling you 'Bù lā dé' in his language, in front of you. would you realise he was talking about you?
you dont like it when muslims call GOD 'Allah' as if we r relating things to satan?
what u dnt realise is that when you call GOD GOD in english, u r indirectly implying that god is a male,this is because the english language has the word godess which refers to a female God.
where as Allah has no masculinity or femeninity
1212nur 1 year ago
@buzzobug "salvation through jesus" is this the call to god? was moses preaching this? who was instructing that abraham should sacrifice his child? GOD allmighty or jesus?
jesus is a mere human like you and me he only came into existance 2000 years ago. jonah,moses,abraham, noah wernt preaching salvation through the virgin birth child of mary that hasnt happend yet! they were preaching that there is a GOD worship him surender to him and be good and you will attain heaven.
1212nur 1 year ago
@buzzobug it took you two hours to search and find the actual name of jesus, u didnt know what it was? shocking!!
anyway you came back with Yeshua if we analyse this u see that the name has completely changed.
it couldve been Ye(sus) instead of the J
so what will become of the name Joshua? it cant be yeshua because that is jesus
1212nur 1 year ago
@1212nur really....what if an adult muslim choose to leave islam...would u stop him/her?
allahlovesmycock3 1 year ago
@allahlovesmycock3 yes, an effort would be made to get him to stay but if s/he chooses to leave, they can.
1212nur 1 year ago
@1212nur effort like the usual torturing or killing done by "peaceful' and "loving" muslims?...LOL
allahlovesmycock3 1 year ago
@allahlovesmycock3 thats right. LOL
1212nur 1 year ago
@1212nur They don't target children out of desperation. They target children because of a child's innocence and because a child will not judge someone like an adult will. The news anchor even said that these children's parents were aware that the kids went to sunday school with their christian friends. They had to know that their children would be taught christianity. They LET their children go, and then turned around and jailed the women who taught them. I just hope these women keep teaching.
Diabetty115 1 year ago
@1212nur lol what about muhammed? and all the killing and raping in pakistan? u speak so cleanly about islam but christians have always been attacked in muslims countries. its the truth and you have to do something about it than to ignore it
MrKingPin360 1 year ago
You people who killing eachother, tell me who created your God or Allah? Has Allah created himself? Come on! Wake up! Who created hate in your heart? Think about this!!!
zangir2007 2 years ago
its because muslims are scared of the power of the bible wich is gods truth
god bless those 3 woman
JesusOrMuhammad 2 years ago
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Don't just jail them - burn them at stakes - do to what the Christians did to non-Christians during the Dark Ages.
FyFhFr25 2 years ago
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yet muslims don't get jailed for preaching in non-islamic countries..
This attentionwhore cult wants the whole world to revolve around them and no one else :)
like in saudi arabia, jut having a bible would get you hanged.. WTF is that?
planking78 2 years ago
because we donot go around preaching because ppl dont listen. indonesia is an islamic state operating under shariah law simple as. i wouldn't go live in america and and start embezzling money it may be legal where iam from but its illegal there!
xXxcheekzZzxXx 2 years ago
indonesia a islamic state?????? prostitution is legal there dude.... they are like the turks or americans, they call themselves muslim or christians but do allllllllllll the sins
chrisgervais 2 years ago 2
@xXxcheekzZzxXx Uhm, wrong!!! Indonesia has civil law not sharia.
TheAngusGao 1 year ago
@planking78 no, i have been to Saudi, the most they will do is conviscate the bible and trash it. However i do agree that they do what they want, but if they receive the same treatment, they scream like little children. Just look at the recent threat of Quran burning in the US, they protest and burn American flags, bunch of hypocritical peasants.
TheAngusGao 1 year ago 2
God bless them.
KPACHNbIBLOOD 2 years ago 4
any beings... any family, do sins/rebellion or saying foul languages will be forgiven. But doing rebellion to the faith and words of God will not be.
600Prometheus006 2 years ago
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Good thing the ladies are behind bars .. why would the missionaries go n try to poison the mentality of these muslim kids ..
TruthExposed123 2 years ago
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Jesus said blessed are you when men persecute you because of me for GREAT is your reward in heaven. These three women may have nothing in these world, but they have eternal treasures in heaven which can not be rotten. They encouraged my faith and walk with my Lord Jesus!
ByHimthroughHim4Him 2 years ago 19
they found something in Jesus that they can not find in any religion. He is really Lord and Savior!
ByHimthroughHim4Him 2 years ago 5
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Because In Christianity We Have Freedom And He Respect Others.
But In Islam You Can See How Non-Muslims Are Treated Under Islamic Rules.
janolefou5 2 years ago