I just found an old cassette recording of an early edit of this. drums are gone for the most part, except for some orchestral bass drums and some crashes and the mix is a little more keyboard heavy, but I actually dig it more than the fully -produced final version.
If I ever get around to encoding it to an mp3, I'll upload it for you guys.
Kamelot is the greatest! For me there is no better singer than Khan, yet Thomas and Oliver (and Casey and Glenn and the fabulous backup singers!) cannot be forgotten. Every person connected with this group is a-m-a-z-i-n-g. Love you ALL!!!
Kamelot just had to made this song... They're connection with religion is way to powerfull sometimes... Yet they're 5 starz out of 5... and they'll always be...
steve ouutamate........<< dont ahve a clue how to speel it but you know what i mean :) i think stves version is just a lil better but this is godly still lol:)
Is "God Rest Ye Merry Gentlemen" woven into this as well? Maybe I'm just hearing things, or maybe "We Three Kings" just has a similar tune, but it almost sounded like the latter sandwiched the former.
How can you argue when listening to this? I dont know about anyone else but this is the first time I've heard Christmas music that was metal. Seriously. Metal Christmas music.
you iiots know i was pointing out the obvious scientology=same as christianity their both religions and both have their own truths get pver yourself no religion is better then the next god even if he did exist cant be proven so they think that and yuou think god exists its a necver ending argument there the funnest at least i know you guys are paying close attention every thumbs down i get makes me happy cuz i know you all care about my opinion so much.
Before you go off on a rant like that, please learn how to spell correctly and use decent grammar. It looks really unintelligent when you try and make a long argument like that and mispell everything.
Where the hell did all this come from. How is any of this useless bullshit relevant to the posted video?
Honestly, if the religious people want to seriously follow there religion accurately they would be respectful and courteous to everyone, even if the other person upsets them.
I must agree with the point that religion is what people choose to believe. Everyone needs to leave everyone else alone and let them think what they want! No good can ever come from arguments of this topic.
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God=Fake science=truth religion=what you beleave in just like for them god=truth science=half the truth.love how you read pages in and all the christians say gods real and all the science people say only what can be tested is truth i for one am on the science side.
@PimpzXstr not on either side. but ask the science side to explain the creation of the universe and all in existence. matter and energy being created without a source.
when it comes to that question, any god is a good a guess as science.
@EnslaveTheEmos No serious atheist or evolutionist has ever said that the universe was formed from nothing. And applying God to phenomenons because we don't understand the real reason behind something is the same as applying an invisible pink teapot to be in orbit around Jupiter... we can never know for sure, now can we?
@MuffinJinReturns it doesnt matter if they say it or not, the beginning of time and matter had to have a point at which it did not exist, and then it began to exist. it is un fathomable how, and can never be replicated.
god is a very broad term that you confuse to co inside with a magic man in the sky. but this phenomenon is beyond us, as it can never be replicated, and saying a higher power beyond our rules of logic exists is as good a ques as thinking science will know the answer some day
It had to have a point at which it didn't exist? Why? Do you know anything of astrophysics? Ever heard of The Big Bounce? Or the multiverse-theory? These theories are more believable than an over natural force controlling a natural universe. I guess you're talking about pantheism. Even if you aren't, applying "God" in order to explain anything in regards to the natural order is completely unnecessary. I'm not saying our rules of logic is infallible but proposing a higher power isn't needed.
It's not really that hard to understand that the universe wasn't created, but it was FORMED. The energy had to come from somewhere, whether it was by the death of a giant star collapsing into a black hole and somehow releasing the energy into another dimension in our space time, or by the collapse of the universe itself and re-expansion. We may never know for sure, but we sure as hell know that Mickey Mouse can't turn your milk into chickens, just as we know an "over natural" force didn't do it.
@MuffinJinReturns i wanst talking about our fucking universe, i was talking about existence. notice how all the theories you mentioned have energy and matter coming from a source. as you said, all these are FORMED. the issue is, that is just energy being transferred. you didnt explain how the energy was created. if you go all the way back to the beginning, at some point energy was created from nothing, at one point, it was not formed with a source, but was the first and source to the rest.
In case you haven't noticed, it's the same fucking thing! The universe IS all in existance and with the universe being infinite, how can it have a beginning? I'm not claiming to have the answers to how the universe (or existance) started, but I can tell you that everything in our universe is natural and there is no point in invite over natural forces or beings into the equation, especially when we every day learn something more about the natural laws that governs the universe.
no matter how many different sources, different universes, stars, black holes, anything you say our universe came from, all i need to say is "where did that one come from?"
we can continue that cycle and you could have all the right answers back until the very first from of energy to ever exist at the first point it existed, and then there would be no answer to that question. no multiverse theory, no big bounce, those do not explain this moment.
I'm saying that there is no beginning, since no one in the whole world understand how something infinite CAN have a beginning. And with the universe being infinite (at least that's the genuine belief about the universe among scientists as we know it) it can't have an ending, just as it can't have a beginning.
@MuffinJinReturns it doesnt matter if it is infinite or not. it doesnt make much sense to say it is infinite considering its still expanding, and there is an end to it. scientists can estimate its size and rate of growth. but even is we call it infinite, the concept of no beginning and no end is also beyond human comprehension. i never said i support magic man theories, but science will never answer these questions, because humans cant comprehend these concepts. we can just marvel at them.
No end to it? How the hell can you know that if we can't comprehend it? Your whole comment just proves you HAVEN'T heard about The Big Bounce, which I asked you earlier and explained in a very small amount of words, which was the neverending cycle of expanding and collapsing. Also, just as we as humans couldn't comprehend the idea of the earth being flat until someone used scientific calculations to prove otherwise, doesn't mean we can't comprehend the idea of an infinite universe in the future.
@MuffinJinReturns by end i mean border. we can estimate the size of our universe, and we can estimate its rate of growth. this is common knowledge.
and humans can comprehend fucking shapes, we can look at the earth, and see it. the concept of infinity we can not comprehend. learn what the fuck comprehend means. the fact that this "infinite" universe just happens to exist without a any form of source for all its energy and matter we can not comprehend. its different than saying we dont know.
Don't lecture me about english. I sure as fuck can comprehend infinity, I just need to understand how it can neither have a beginning or an end. Scientists have established that the universe is infinite. And what border are you talking about? You seem to have no idea how the discovery about how quick the universe is expanding was perceived. We found out through measuring the distance between universal satellites, such as planets and stars.
And the "size of the universe" you're talking about is nothing but the diameter between one galaxy furthest away we know, to another on the other sida of the known universe. Not from one border to another. There is no fucking border. The universe isn't a huge dome or globe, it's the existance of everything.
u·ni·verse [yoo-nuh-vurs] Show IPA
noun
the totality of known or supposed objects and phenomena throughout space; the cosmos; macrocosm.
@MuffinJinReturns there is a perceivable border, and it is in theory a sphere. as the energy from the theory of the big bang moves outward, the light from the bang also moves outward. light however has a set speed, and light is information. to an observer moving faster than light who moves past the radius that sphere of light has reached in its expansion, he could look back and see nothing, until the border of light reached him.
it seems you are the one who knows nothing of this subject
Finally, we're on the same page. By "border of the universe" you mean the point of which the very furthest photon lies. Correct me if I'm wrong. However, this would STILL mean that there is plenty of space untouched by that single photon, and it would go on forever and ever. The vaccum of space is what I'm talking about and it has - no - physical - border! At least not as far as we know.
@MuffinJinReturns thats the long way to come to an agreement. were both trying to ram different aspects of the same argument down each others throats. vacuum vs detectable energy. now the infinite argument is in perspective that i approach it thinking of the vacuum. originally i was trying to get at the point of the existence of energy and matter within that vacuum. the vacuum is eternal, the energy has a point in which it is created, and at some point the first energy came without a source
LOL I guess that's what one would get by discussing over the internet xD It's like talking to a wall, thinking oneself is right... and here we both was talking about the same thing.
Well, technically speaking is energy eternal as well, since energy cannot be created or destroyed, only transform and that's the first law of thermodynamics. Therefore, my thoughts upon this lies with the belief that energy, just as the rest of the space time domain never has an ending, just as it has no beginning.
@MuffinJinReturns even if it is infinite, science can never replicate it. how can man or science be able to ever replicate or create something that has no beginning? that law is one we just need to accept and work around, since we can not change it. somehow, natural forces are able to overcome that law though, as the universe does indeed exist. i guess thats what i was trying to get at by "higher force". its nothing man or science could ever replicate. morgan freeman should narrate this.
and if we ever were somehow able to create our own realm of infinite existence, it would still have a source, which would be us creating it. even if we could create the matter out of thin air, the source is still us willing it into existence.
but of course we cant create something infinite, as it would not be infinite, but would have a time and point of creation.
So correct me if I may have gotten this wrong. You believe that the universe is infinite, but it must've taken a higher power to make it so?
Also, the energy we would use to create our own "infinite" realm, even if it was astronomically possibles, would be the use of our same eternal energy from our universe since it can't be created out of nothing, and therefore have no problem with the infinity-principle.
@MuffinJinReturns considering the infinite approach, is that infinity not in itself a natural higher power. it is un replicable, un changeable, and un bound by all the rules and laws that binds all other aspects of existence. we have no choice but to accept its existence. the existence of something truly infinite is beyond our logic. thats why it cant be explained, you just keep saying it works because its infinite. its a natural force, far beyond humanity, and is the backbone of existence
This has been quite entertaining. The Big Bang-model of the universe is obviously not infinite, but I personally believe the big bang universe is just an event in an infinite universe/vacuum of space. We'll likely never know the real answer. And we may not be able to fantasize about something truly infinite, be we can still understand what it means, you know?
I have a small question though...with no meaning or even relevance to the song, lol. God created the world, and all other earthly creations, yes?
Sureley that means he wrote his own creation, and such terms as it was a nice creation, and heavens beauty is his arrogance? {Simple interest, watch this boil into WWIIII} xD
but still if your here to argues theres polls for that, this is a song, this is music, not a argument, , this isent even dam offensive, howd this argument even start anyway?
not everything can be proven by science, simple things like how bumble bees fly scientests are not certain, its wings are to big to get its body off the ground, because God doesent care about what scientests think is impossible, no offense intended if science has turned into some sort of religion
well its not the size of the wings that lets the bumbles fly. They fly in a special way, just search google for "how do bumbles manage to fly" or something.. im sure you will find something
Why is everybody bashing on religion? Science and religion CAN co-exist, no matter what that super-educated idiot Dawkins says. Darwin himself was religious, although he did disagree with the Church's view on biology of course. God is real, imo, and he may not be real in yours, but can we stop the holy war here and get back to enjoying some awesome music?
yes thats right but when science is disproven on a certain matter it is accepted, and then a new hypothesis is thought up and the scientific method is tested again,
I was talking, in particular, about evolution and the "Big Bang Theory." first, everything has to be perfectly balanced in order for us to not burn up, or freeze. So earth being where it is would be like throwing a dart, with the needle being thinner than a piece of hair, from 10 million miles away, and hitting a bullseye on an island somewhere off the coast of Japan.
And the more you look into evolution, the more unlikely it's presented. Watch "The Case for a Creator," done by a scientist btw.
hey, we shouldnt allow religion to be gon un-argued, its a lode of bollocks and in know way shouyld a religious opinion be respected or acknowledged as its a lode of crap
I was listening to this song a lot over Christmas. Its a good song and there's no harm in it and i wish everyone would stop arguing about religion. This version doesn't even have any lyrics to be religious with, so just enjoy. ;-)
okay. No one cares about religion. Thats not why we came to listen to the song. ITS MUSIC! If you are offended by the music then dont fuckin listen. Simple as that. If you are offended go listen to some of the other amazing bands. Better yet. Go listen to Satan My Master by Dimmu Borgir. See how happy that makes you. Damn.
look what does it matter if someone makes a rock cover on something there are many rock songs that are covered and stil sount fcking great like thise one so nobody cares whos a christen and who's not if u can't have it just go sew it or something,
like the judges will believe u if u say: this band isn't christen and the song is like what is the difference it just sounds fcking great;) 5/5
what the fuck. how come on just about every metal music video on youtube there is always a gay ass argument about religion? its just fucking stupid. i dont realy believe in god because i believe in scientific methods but people who do belive in god, you have the right to think what u wanna think, believe what u wanna believe, worship what u wanna worship, and so on and so forth. but stop your bullshit on our music. stop tryin to convert us to your "religion", and get over yourself!
hmm I think the reason for my comments and others comments are getting marked as "poor comment" because of all the people who believe in any religion and dont like whats getting written.
anyways, to all you strong believers just glare into your "perfect religion" and dont look away, get filled with progaganda from everywhere.. You might not see what i mean since you are in it but you look at it from "the outside" its actually easy to see whats happening and so in countries and societies.
but i was once told that the more you belive in science there has to be a god.
but if so where did he come to be? if ALL matter was made in one colision. where did he come to make it. he didnt. because its impossible. you cant make onething with out having something to make it with. you cant sell anything with noting to sell. its impossible.
Hmmm... well... then where did the infinitely small point of come from? Do me a favor, find "The Case for a Creator," watch it. It basically proves the scientific impossibility of the "Big Bang Theory" and Evolutionism. Oh and, whether you like it or not, Science is a faith based system.
science is real, wether you believe in it or not becuase it can be observed and proven whereas god cant be observed or proven, maybe what you mean by science being faith based is that people have faith that science will one day shine light on the sheep of religion, making them once and for all realise whats real and whats make believe (god)
You are ignorant, the whole point of religion is to have faith and to believe in god. Whether you believe or not is your choice, but when you make comments like this you are degrading yourself as a person and just asking for someone to fight you.
You speak of nothing but ignorance and I pity you. You think you know everything but you know nothing. Like I've said before keep your beliefs to yourself, I believe in god and you don't, its as simple as that, there is no point or reason for you to try and argue back, because nothing you say could change my mind, and the same probably goes for you.
Oh how very sad. To have no more fulfilling activities available than to seek out those online with whom you disagree, just to make fun of people who sincerely don't care what you think of them, anyway.
Enjoy it while you can, TimmeH1132. Truly, I say, you have your reward.
Religion, faith helps people and so on and gives people hope. I dont believe in some god or soemthing but religion can be positive for some people.. even tho religion can be a way for the people governing to "control" people in the country by twisting/using it in a bad way to make the people follow them.. so religion could be a hopegiving good thing but also something bad, like there have been many people killed because of religions
omg why all the religious arguing...... cant we cristians and atheists just be nice to each other and not fight a battle neither side can win(we will never convince them of GOD, they will never convince us that GOD is a lie)
anyway, amazing song, and im sorry that the comment pool had to be tainted with childish bickering... Kamelot FTW
anyway, amazing song, and im sorry that the comment pool had to be tainted with childish bickering. <---- reason internet is still laive today becasue without that all the fags would get beaten up by the ppl they argue with so they turn to internet and thats what keeps it running
thank you i never had the guts to say it but thank you and i get along with alot of athiest and theists and what not but i do get made fun because i am a christian but i will laugh when the time comes because i believe God will take me to heaven and the people who did not accept jesus in thier heart will gnash thier teeth for eternity
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I think this should settle everyone's stupid little arguments: From this day forward we shall create a new government with a new religion with a new form of soccer. Our government will consist of being awesome, our Religion will consist of a God who is just a random person from Montana. And our new form of soccer shall be so elite... so perfect... that it surpasses the childhood game of "Abort your baby sister with a chainsaw."
Reading the latest comments, I guess you´ll agree with me that you cannot talk about some topics without getting involved in conflicts of though... religion, politics and soccer, to be more precise. Beside that, this song is great!
the best Christmas song ever! Its about 3 guys who all had the same idea and worked together. how many guys does it take to inspire the world to just have some faith in miracles.
to the two science nerds please shut the hell up and listen to the music!!!
joeypriolo 3 weeks ago
alright! download pl0x?
Teh1337Furry 5 months ago
@Teh1337Furry
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andiders 3 months ago
sounds dark
MRbadguydude 8 months ago
I just found replacement blood!!!! And I can listen to it!!!!!!!!! <3
IamGingaNinja 9 months ago
i just kame alot to this song
gmctruck68 10 months ago 5
god rest ye merry men?
annesstephen 1 year ago
Thumbs up if you were singing along!!!!! ^_^ or at least trying too.......
MrLatinoWarrior 1 year ago 8
Check out my version of this song it is more brutal then this! The Captain
meandthecaptainrock 1 year ago
I need Kamelot and T.S.O. to tour my way this year!
golfrick007 1 year ago 2
I just found an old cassette recording of an early edit of this. drums are gone for the most part, except for some orchestral bass drums and some crashes and the mix is a little more keyboard heavy, but I actually dig it more than the fully -produced final version.
If I ever get around to encoding it to an mp3, I'll upload it for you guys.
pavkey88 1 year ago
o.o this is amazing
KittenNwolffie 1 year ago
Anyone knows a instrumental version of Mirror ?
Speelwow 1 year ago
Many thanks!
The song of three kings is one of my favorites!
LordGarvals 1 year ago
Justin Bieber made 10 accounts to dislike this video
0Seyren0 1 year ago 17
@0Seyren0 way to have an original comment
Sherwin930 1 year ago
Kamelot is the greatest! For me there is no better singer than Khan, yet Thomas and Oliver (and Casey and Glenn and the fabulous backup singers!) cannot be forgotten. Every person connected with this group is a-m-a-z-i-n-g. Love you ALL!!!
Gothb4goth 1 year ago
so good
Willwec828 1 year ago
Anything Power Metalized is awesome
zetsushoren 1 year ago 2
Wow, amazing! Metal and orchestra combined in one epic Christmas song!
Munchkin9111 1 year ago 2
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yet i think the best power metal band is dragonforce
excalebuir 1 year ago
@excalebuir don't compare Kamelot to Dragonforce..come on..they're yet so different..
incognito710 1 year ago 3
@excalebuir Dragonforce is speed metal
LuisGuillen25 1 year ago
great
nazguhl9 1 year ago
Awsome song
Mortensen35 1 year ago
Kamelot just had to made this song... They're connection with religion is way to powerfull sometimes... Yet they're 5 starz out of 5... and they'll always be...
AnonOf31 1 year ago 2
This is not Three Kings, this is Siege from Siege Perilious
gragi11 1 year ago
steve ouutamate........<< dont ahve a clue how to speel it but you know what i mean :) i think stves version is just a lil better but this is godly still lol:)
DeadI97 2 years ago
@DeadI97 its Steve Ouimette
shadowx7og 1 year ago
Hahahaha, I was a big fan of barenaked ladies a long time ago and i didnto know that song even existed lol
drakeandjoshfan23 2 years ago
Wow he removed my comment?
Was it THAT offensive?
Geez.. Never said it was bad I just said someone should take this music and put some singing to it. -.-
MgPinky 2 years ago 6
Blondie did that.
shane4896 2 years ago
same here thanks for this vid, i really love it
aragoth12 2 years ago
i love this song...thanks for putting it on youtube
minisudi94 2 years ago 3
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MgPinky 2 years ago
Carol of the Bells was also in some of the lead.
rechard718 2 years ago
Is "God Rest Ye Merry Gentlemen" woven into this as well? Maybe I'm just hearing things, or maybe "We Three Kings" just has a similar tune, but it almost sounded like the latter sandwiched the former.
evrythingburns 2 years ago 2
I think you're right! that is God Rest Ye Merry Gentlemen!! XD
choopachan 2 years ago
Hm, what is it about those two? The Barenaked Ladies and Sarah McLachlan merged them as well in their cover.
evrythingburns 2 years ago
maybe they both did it so Kamelot decided to do it too....or maybe the other way around! haha
choopachan 2 years ago
this is some beautiful stuff
LionMantel 2 years ago 3
Kamelot is pretty freakin' awesome
mackiwaki 2 years ago 3
Anybody know if this is on one of their albums? Can't find it on MP3-Xtreme for download. :(
Conny1908 2 years ago
its kinda "rare" i guess but it's on a collection album they made of rare stuff and bonus tracks called "Myths and Legends of Kamelot"
Blackthorne32 2 years ago 2
It's on a live album; The Expedition. A bonus track, if I'm not mistaking, hence not being live.
LrdVnm 2 years ago
God help create this great song for Kamelot:]
CodyRune 2 years ago 7
Nope... It Was Satan ;P
Selia55 2 years ago
@Selia55 No it was Dimmu Borgir who Satan helps
CodyRune 2 years ago
Hmmm... You Think So??? Maybe You're Right :D
Selia55 2 years ago
very cool 5/5 ^_^
princeofpersia55 2 years ago 22
kamelot rocks!!!
rockntroopen 2 years ago 7
ITS BEAUTIFUL!
ScreamForWouter 2 years ago 6
Does anyone know if this song is on itunes
Axelblade79 2 years ago
It is, its on their Expedition album i believe.
Ancientsleeper 2 years ago
damn ppl argue over a beatiful chrismas song
jeckel42 2 years ago 7
This is really good stuff. It's rock but it's really mellow too. I'll be listening to this one next Christmas day. Thanks for the upload.
SteveResin 2 years ago 2
It's not just Rock, it's Power Metal!
CruzzioXT 2 years ago 48
Damn Straight!!!
lol
:D
Axelblade79 2 years ago
@CruzzioXT its not rock at all !
TetrapakProdzekt 9 months ago
@TetrapakProdzekt Rockband = Band with guitar, drums and bass :)
MrSilentDoubleA 8 months ago
How can you argue when listening to this? I dont know about anyone else but this is the first time I've heard Christmas music that was metal. Seriously. Metal Christmas music.
AnarchyGirl69 2 years ago 8
listen to the Trans Siberian Orchestra, Christmas metal is all they do
Kazhmyr 2 years ago 7
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you iiots know i was pointing out the obvious scientology=same as christianity their both religions and both have their own truths get pver yourself no religion is better then the next god even if he did exist cant be proven so they think that and yuou think god exists its a necver ending argument there the funnest at least i know you guys are paying close attention every thumbs down i get makes me happy cuz i know you all care about my opinion so much.
PimpzXstr 2 years ago
Before you go off on a rant like that, please learn how to spell correctly and use decent grammar. It looks really unintelligent when you try and make a long argument like that and mispell everything.
tkdkid91 2 years ago 7
Where the hell did all this come from. How is any of this useless bullshit relevant to the posted video?
Honestly, if the religious people want to seriously follow there religion accurately they would be respectful and courteous to everyone, even if the other person upsets them.
I must agree with the point that religion is what people choose to believe. Everyone needs to leave everyone else alone and let them think what they want! No good can ever come from arguments of this topic.
novalizard 2 years ago 3
the non belivers started it lol
soulstorm223 2 years ago
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God=Fake science=truth religion=what you beleave in just like for them god=truth science=half the truth.love how you read pages in and all the christians say gods real and all the science people say only what can be tested is truth i for one am on the science side.
PimpzXstr 2 years ago
your fucking retarded. keep your own fucking opinions to your own fucking self.
BradyDZ 2 years ago
So how about that Rock And Roll these kids are into nowadays?
blackholesun693 2 years ago 7
@PimpzXstr not on either side. but ask the science side to explain the creation of the universe and all in existence. matter and energy being created without a source.
when it comes to that question, any god is a good a guess as science.
EnslaveTheEmos 5 months ago
@EnslaveTheEmos No serious atheist or evolutionist has ever said that the universe was formed from nothing. And applying God to phenomenons because we don't understand the real reason behind something is the same as applying an invisible pink teapot to be in orbit around Jupiter... we can never know for sure, now can we?
MuffinJinReturns 2 months ago
@MuffinJinReturns it doesnt matter if they say it or not, the beginning of time and matter had to have a point at which it did not exist, and then it began to exist. it is un fathomable how, and can never be replicated.
god is a very broad term that you confuse to co inside with a magic man in the sky. but this phenomenon is beyond us, as it can never be replicated, and saying a higher power beyond our rules of logic exists is as good a ques as thinking science will know the answer some day
EnslaveTheEmos 2 months ago
It had to have a point at which it didn't exist? Why? Do you know anything of astrophysics? Ever heard of The Big Bounce? Or the multiverse-theory? These theories are more believable than an over natural force controlling a natural universe. I guess you're talking about pantheism. Even if you aren't, applying "God" in order to explain anything in regards to the natural order is completely unnecessary. I'm not saying our rules of logic is infallible but proposing a higher power isn't needed.
MuffinJinReturns 2 months ago
It's not really that hard to understand that the universe wasn't created, but it was FORMED. The energy had to come from somewhere, whether it was by the death of a giant star collapsing into a black hole and somehow releasing the energy into another dimension in our space time, or by the collapse of the universe itself and re-expansion. We may never know for sure, but we sure as hell know that Mickey Mouse can't turn your milk into chickens, just as we know an "over natural" force didn't do it.
MuffinJinReturns 2 months ago
@MuffinJinReturns i wanst talking about our fucking universe, i was talking about existence. notice how all the theories you mentioned have energy and matter coming from a source. as you said, all these are FORMED. the issue is, that is just energy being transferred. you didnt explain how the energy was created. if you go all the way back to the beginning, at some point energy was created from nothing, at one point, it was not formed with a source, but was the first and source to the rest.
EnslaveTheEmos 2 months ago
In case you haven't noticed, it's the same fucking thing! The universe IS all in existance and with the universe being infinite, how can it have a beginning? I'm not claiming to have the answers to how the universe (or existance) started, but I can tell you that everything in our universe is natural and there is no point in invite over natural forces or beings into the equation, especially when we every day learn something more about the natural laws that governs the universe.
MuffinJinReturns 2 months ago
@MuffinJinReturns think of it like this.
no matter how many different sources, different universes, stars, black holes, anything you say our universe came from, all i need to say is "where did that one come from?"
we can continue that cycle and you could have all the right answers back until the very first from of energy to ever exist at the first point it existed, and then there would be no answer to that question. no multiverse theory, no big bounce, those do not explain this moment.
EnslaveTheEmos 2 months ago
I'm saying that there is no beginning, since no one in the whole world understand how something infinite CAN have a beginning. And with the universe being infinite (at least that's the genuine belief about the universe among scientists as we know it) it can't have an ending, just as it can't have a beginning.
MuffinJinReturns 2 months ago
@MuffinJinReturns it doesnt matter if it is infinite or not. it doesnt make much sense to say it is infinite considering its still expanding, and there is an end to it. scientists can estimate its size and rate of growth. but even is we call it infinite, the concept of no beginning and no end is also beyond human comprehension. i never said i support magic man theories, but science will never answer these questions, because humans cant comprehend these concepts. we can just marvel at them.
EnslaveTheEmos 2 months ago
No end to it? How the hell can you know that if we can't comprehend it? Your whole comment just proves you HAVEN'T heard about The Big Bounce, which I asked you earlier and explained in a very small amount of words, which was the neverending cycle of expanding and collapsing. Also, just as we as humans couldn't comprehend the idea of the earth being flat until someone used scientific calculations to prove otherwise, doesn't mean we can't comprehend the idea of an infinite universe in the future.
MuffinJinReturns 2 months ago
@MuffinJinReturns by end i mean border. we can estimate the size of our universe, and we can estimate its rate of growth. this is common knowledge.
and humans can comprehend fucking shapes, we can look at the earth, and see it. the concept of infinity we can not comprehend. learn what the fuck comprehend means. the fact that this "infinite" universe just happens to exist without a any form of source for all its energy and matter we can not comprehend. its different than saying we dont know.
EnslaveTheEmos 2 months ago
comprehend ˌkɒmprɪˈhɛnd
vb
1. to perceive or understand
Don't lecture me about english. I sure as fuck can comprehend infinity, I just need to understand how it can neither have a beginning or an end. Scientists have established that the universe is infinite. And what border are you talking about? You seem to have no idea how the discovery about how quick the universe is expanding was perceived. We found out through measuring the distance between universal satellites, such as planets and stars.
MuffinJinReturns 2 months ago
And the "size of the universe" you're talking about is nothing but the diameter between one galaxy furthest away we know, to another on the other sida of the known universe. Not from one border to another. There is no fucking border. The universe isn't a huge dome or globe, it's the existance of everything.
u·ni·verse [yoo-nuh-vurs] Show IPA
noun
the totality of known or supposed objects and phenomena throughout space; the cosmos; macrocosm.
MuffinJinReturns 2 months ago
@MuffinJinReturns there is a perceivable border, and it is in theory a sphere. as the energy from the theory of the big bang moves outward, the light from the bang also moves outward. light however has a set speed, and light is information. to an observer moving faster than light who moves past the radius that sphere of light has reached in its expansion, he could look back and see nothing, until the border of light reached him.
it seems you are the one who knows nothing of this subject
EnslaveTheEmos 2 months ago
Finally, we're on the same page. By "border of the universe" you mean the point of which the very furthest photon lies. Correct me if I'm wrong. However, this would STILL mean that there is plenty of space untouched by that single photon, and it would go on forever and ever. The vaccum of space is what I'm talking about and it has - no - physical - border! At least not as far as we know.
MuffinJinReturns 2 months ago
@MuffinJinReturns thats the long way to come to an agreement. were both trying to ram different aspects of the same argument down each others throats. vacuum vs detectable energy. now the infinite argument is in perspective that i approach it thinking of the vacuum. originally i was trying to get at the point of the existence of energy and matter within that vacuum. the vacuum is eternal, the energy has a point in which it is created, and at some point the first energy came without a source
EnslaveTheEmos 2 months ago
LOL I guess that's what one would get by discussing over the internet xD It's like talking to a wall, thinking oneself is right... and here we both was talking about the same thing.
Well, technically speaking is energy eternal as well, since energy cannot be created or destroyed, only transform and that's the first law of thermodynamics. Therefore, my thoughts upon this lies with the belief that energy, just as the rest of the space time domain never has an ending, just as it has no beginning.
MuffinJinReturns 2 months ago
@MuffinJinReturns even if it is infinite, science can never replicate it. how can man or science be able to ever replicate or create something that has no beginning? that law is one we just need to accept and work around, since we can not change it. somehow, natural forces are able to overcome that law though, as the universe does indeed exist. i guess thats what i was trying to get at by "higher force". its nothing man or science could ever replicate. morgan freeman should narrate this.
EnslaveTheEmos 2 months ago
and if we ever were somehow able to create our own realm of infinite existence, it would still have a source, which would be us creating it. even if we could create the matter out of thin air, the source is still us willing it into existence.
but of course we cant create something infinite, as it would not be infinite, but would have a time and point of creation.
EnslaveTheEmos 2 months ago
So correct me if I may have gotten this wrong. You believe that the universe is infinite, but it must've taken a higher power to make it so?
Also, the energy we would use to create our own "infinite" realm, even if it was astronomically possibles, would be the use of our same eternal energy from our universe since it can't be created out of nothing, and therefore have no problem with the infinity-principle.
MuffinJinReturns 2 months ago
@MuffinJinReturns considering the infinite approach, is that infinity not in itself a natural higher power. it is un replicable, un changeable, and un bound by all the rules and laws that binds all other aspects of existence. we have no choice but to accept its existence. the existence of something truly infinite is beyond our logic. thats why it cant be explained, you just keep saying it works because its infinite. its a natural force, far beyond humanity, and is the backbone of existence
EnslaveTheEmos 2 months ago
This has been quite entertaining. The Big Bang-model of the universe is obviously not infinite, but I personally believe the big bang universe is just an event in an infinite universe/vacuum of space. We'll likely never know the real answer. And we may not be able to fantasize about something truly infinite, be we can still understand what it means, you know?
MuffinJinReturns 2 months ago
I'm not sure we're gonna get much further than we've come as of this moment xD
MuffinJinReturns 2 months ago
@MuffinJinReturns it makes my brain hurt, but its good shit to ponder.
EnslaveTheEmos 2 months ago
I have a small question though...with no meaning or even relevance to the song, lol. God created the world, and all other earthly creations, yes?
Sureley that means he wrote his own creation, and such terms as it was a nice creation, and heavens beauty is his arrogance? {Simple interest, watch this boil into WWIIII} xD
Lordarthurparen 2 years ago 2
but still if your here to argues theres polls for that, this is a song, this is music, not a argument, , this isent even dam offensive, howd this argument even start anyway?
soulstorm223 3 years ago
not everything can be proven by science, simple things like how bumble bees fly scientests are not certain, its wings are to big to get its body off the ground, because God doesent care about what scientests think is impossible, no offense intended if science has turned into some sort of religion
soulstorm223 3 years ago
well its not the size of the wings that lets the bumbles fly. They fly in a special way, just search google for "how do bumbles manage to fly" or something.. im sure you will find something
lofot4 2 years ago
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Everyone knows Bumblebees gain flight through worship of God.
Harmles88 2 years ago
Why is everybody bashing on religion? Science and religion CAN co-exist, no matter what that super-educated idiot Dawkins says. Darwin himself was religious, although he did disagree with the Church's view on biology of course. God is real, imo, and he may not be real in yours, but can we stop the holy war here and get back to enjoying some awesome music?
SarajevoKyoto 3 years ago 9
I like how you explained that i wanna kiss you lol jk man but no seriously (thumbs up) :)
Youracomedian 3 years ago 7
lol thanks man, just trying to calm the flames a bit
SarajevoKyoto 3 years ago 5
Yeah lol everyone always arguin over stuff in Youtube about pointless stuff
Youracomedian 3 years ago 4
He is right, keep your beliefs to yourself, otherwise you are just asking for a fight. Just enjoy the music.
DarkMaestro88 3 years ago 4
yes thats right but when science is disproven on a certain matter it is accepted, and then a new hypothesis is thought up and the scientific method is tested again,
johnthong24 3 years ago
I was talking, in particular, about evolution and the "Big Bang Theory." first, everything has to be perfectly balanced in order for us to not burn up, or freeze. So earth being where it is would be like throwing a dart, with the needle being thinner than a piece of hair, from 10 million miles away, and hitting a bullseye on an island somewhere off the coast of Japan.
And the more you look into evolution, the more unlikely it's presented. Watch "The Case for a Creator," done by a scientist btw.
RIPCarmines 3 years ago
hey, we shouldnt allow religion to be gon un-argued, its a lode of bollocks and in know way shouyld a religious opinion be respected or acknowledged as its a lode of crap
12345smith67890 3 years ago
yeah eventhough im not christian,i still like this awesome song=DDD!!!!,nothing to do with religions i guess...just liten to the song XDXD!!!
Ryukendo92 3 years ago
I was listening to this song a lot over Christmas. Its a good song and there's no harm in it and i wish everyone would stop arguing about religion. This version doesn't even have any lyrics to be religious with, so just enjoy. ;-)
LunaSilverShine 3 years ago 3
okay. No one cares about religion. Thats not why we came to listen to the song. ITS MUSIC! If you are offended by the music then dont fuckin listen. Simple as that. If you are offended go listen to some of the other amazing bands. Better yet. Go listen to Satan My Master by Dimmu Borgir. See how happy that makes you. Damn.
DrAgoNStRIkE046 3 years ago 7
look its just a rock cover of we three kings im catholic so no one can be offended ffs
Haxmonkeytwo 3 years ago
look what does it matter if someone makes a rock cover on something there are many rock songs that are covered and stil sount fcking great like thise one so nobody cares whos a christen and who's not if u can't have it just go sew it or something,
like the judges will believe u if u say: this band isn't christen and the song is like what is the difference it just sounds fcking great;) 5/5
zeldafreak001 3 years ago
Okay, I'm a Christian nobody worry O_o
Seriously, shut the fuck up other Christians, this is why everyone seems to hate us.
KingMeglion 3 years ago 7
He is a merciful God.
EddieTh3Ead 3 years ago
COMMENTING ON THE MUSIC...
This is really great. Hearing Metal Christmas music is completely unexpected and cheering. It gave me a happy. There should totally be more. WOOT!!
LibyTheElf 3 years ago 3
what the fuck. how come on just about every metal music video on youtube there is always a gay ass argument about religion? its just fucking stupid. i dont realy believe in god because i believe in scientific methods but people who do belive in god, you have the right to think what u wanna think, believe what u wanna believe, worship what u wanna worship, and so on and so forth. but stop your bullshit on our music. stop tryin to convert us to your "religion", and get over yourself!
sk8jack95 3 years ago 7
hehe Kamelot is a christian band... NOT!!!!!
eleker89 3 years ago 5
god damn hippies always trying to talk bout god ffs god doesent egsist and if he does he is F*ing bastard
SuskenHizamura 3 years ago 6
y your girlfriend dump yah ahahahahahahaa
ByronRoman 3 years ago
Fuck sake not another relgion arguement...thiers no God alright get over yourselfs and listen to the music
tricky459 3 years ago 4
stop talking about or trying to argue for against religion. Chill and soak in the wonderful music.
ruroni08 3 years ago 2
read Revelations in the Bible (it's the last book). Their are signs like one world currency.
RIPCarmines 3 years ago
ha ha ha TimmeH1132 closed his account
noodle401t 3 years ago
I like Satan, Martin Luther King Jr., the Supremes, Hilary Swank... FUCK JESUS!?
elvenvampire1 3 years ago
Wow Guys, whether you like it or not, THIS IS A CHRISTIAN SONG!!! MADE BY CHRISTIANS, FOR CHRISTIANS!!! Stop being so childish.
RIPCarmines 3 years ago
lulz! religion fights! =D
Brian86992DH 3 years ago
Stop arguing about religion already and just listen to actual song which is probably why the guy put it on here...
CaptainHowdy5 3 years ago 3
hehe anyone who desent like my comments just write something and dont just press that "poor comment".. and then lets see how good u comment
lofot4 3 years ago 2
song is awesome, BUT
its two songs..? at 02:25 starts another song! its a christmas song an called "god rest ye merry gentleman" why is it in there?
but anyway, the song totally rocks
ShadBlaze 3 years ago
but if you see from the outside*
lofot4 3 years ago
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hmm I think the reason for my comments and others comments are getting marked as "poor comment" because of all the people who believe in any religion and dont like whats getting written.
anyways, to all you strong believers just glare into your "perfect religion" and dont look away, get filled with progaganda from everywhere.. You might not see what i mean since you are in it but you look at it from "the outside" its actually easy to see whats happening and so in countries and societies.
lofot4 3 years ago
exactly.
i know its me mr. science guy.
but i was once told that the more you belive in science there has to be a god.
but if so where did he come to be? if ALL matter was made in one colision. where did he come to make it. he didnt. because its impossible. you cant make onething with out having something to make it with. you cant sell anything with noting to sell. its impossible.
but i still laugh at what TimmeH1132 said.
DiAmOnD595 3 years ago
Hmmm... well... then where did the infinitely small point of come from? Do me a favor, find "The Case for a Creator," watch it. It basically proves the scientific impossibility of the "Big Bang Theory" and Evolutionism. Oh and, whether you like it or not, Science is a faith based system.
RIPCarmines 3 years ago
science is real, wether you believe in it or not becuase it can be observed and proven whereas god cant be observed or proven, maybe what you mean by science being faith based is that people have faith that science will one day shine light on the sheep of religion, making them once and for all realise whats real and whats make believe (god)
johnthong24 3 years ago
You are ignorant, the whole point of religion is to have faith and to believe in god. Whether you believe or not is your choice, but when you make comments like this you are degrading yourself as a person and just asking for someone to fight you.
DarkMaestro88 3 years ago
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hey. im just telling the truth, im not looking for a fight, its others that wanna make the fight out of things
johnthong24 3 years ago
You speak of nothing but ignorance and I pity you. You think you know everything but you know nothing. Like I've said before keep your beliefs to yourself, I believe in god and you don't, its as simple as that, there is no point or reason for you to try and argue back, because nothing you say could change my mind, and the same probably goes for you.
DarkMaestro88 3 years ago
Tsk tsk tsk...
Oh how very sad. To have no more fulfilling activities available than to seek out those online with whom you disagree, just to make fun of people who sincerely don't care what you think of them, anyway.
Enjoy it while you can, TimmeH1132. Truly, I say, you have your reward.
mobiusthought 3 years ago 2
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Stfu jew
jessekrynen 3 years ago
how does that make him a jew?
what are you on? realism halusagins?
DiAmOnD595 3 years ago
i would have a snappy comeback, but i dont know wtf u mean
jessekrynen 3 years ago
Lulz
DiAmOnD595 3 years ago 2
it allows sets out a lifestyle that contributes tot he greater good :)
hollidca 3 years ago
SWEET I LUV THIS!!
lilgirlpooky 3 years ago
raaaaaaaa
gh3nerd12 3 years ago
I like the music.
msritaj 3 years ago
Religion, faith helps people and so on and gives people hope. I dont believe in some god or soemthing but religion can be positive for some people.. even tho religion can be a way for the people governing to "control" people in the country by twisting/using it in a bad way to make the people follow them.. so religion could be a hopegiving good thing but also something bad, like there have been many people killed because of religions
lofot4 3 years ago
omg why all the religious arguing...... cant we cristians and atheists just be nice to each other and not fight a battle neither side can win(we will never convince them of GOD, they will never convince us that GOD is a lie)
anyway, amazing song, and im sorry that the comment pool had to be tainted with childish bickering... Kamelot FTW
S1L3NTkawa 3 years ago 9
Christians* bleah misspelling xp
S1L3NTkawa 3 years ago
anyway, amazing song, and im sorry that the comment pool had to be tainted with childish bickering. <---- reason internet is still laive today becasue without that all the fags would get beaten up by the ppl they argue with so they turn to internet and thats what keeps it running
joodajoo 3 years ago
thank you i never had the guts to say it but thank you and i get along with alot of athiest and theists and what not but i do get made fun because i am a christian but i will laugh when the time comes because i believe God will take me to heaven and the people who did not accept jesus in thier heart will gnash thier teeth for eternity
ipguitar 3 years ago
no because christians will always deny the fact that science is the only thing that can prove or disprove anything.
DiAmOnD595 3 years ago
I dunno what the hell you people are arguing about. But it's stupid.
And anyway, this is an amazing song.
Demyxrocks 3 years ago 4
why would you even quote that movie?
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I think this should settle everyone's stupid little arguments: From this day forward we shall create a new government with a new religion with a new form of soccer. Our government will consist of being awesome, our Religion will consist of a God who is just a random person from Montana. And our new form of soccer shall be so elite... so perfect... that it surpasses the childhood game of "Abort your baby sister with a chainsaw."
Follow me brothers! We shall rule the world!!!
TacoJim 3 years ago
lolwut
axgonzo 3 years ago
hell yah im in
pyromaniak15 3 years ago
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GOD MADE DINOSAURS
GOD KILSS THEM
GOD MAKES MAN
WE KILL EACH OTHER
GOD STARES IN DISBELIFE CAUSE WE FUCKED UP.
xxcry4666mexx 3 years ago
FREAKIN AWESOME!!
MistahBones 3 years ago 3
sweet
Matrixman92 3 years ago
Reading the latest comments, I guess you´ll agree with me that you cannot talk about some topics without getting involved in conflicts of though... religion, politics and soccer, to be more precise. Beside that, this song is great!
Kashijasu 3 years ago
All hail the big bang
nomihc36 3 years ago 2
Are you an idiot? No one here is making fun of anyone, they are doubting they're beliefs.
DuskChill 3 years ago
the best Christmas song ever! Its about 3 guys who all had the same idea and worked together. how many guys does it take to inspire the world to just have some faith in miracles.
preamblestates 3 years ago
God Made Dinosaurs
God Kills Dinosaurs
God makes man
Man Kills God
Man becomes God.
all your answers solved.
Mynameisaw 3 years ago 6