raist was the strongest charactor in the entire series. i knew that since the day i read about him in book 1 "Autumn twilight" till the day "dragons of the hour glass mage" was released. if anyone deserved to be a god on Krynn it would be Raist
Raistlin is sacrificed everything for his one love "Krynn"... He saw gods, goddesses selfish game on it. Play with souls, play with the nature..pain...pain... only pain... Raistlin knew there is no solution except one. Go to source of pain and defeat it... Impossible quest for every living creature... And he did it... He took his and many lost souls revenge from gods and goddesses one by one... But here is the stupid part. Like always Margeret Weiss tried to kill Raistlin's charisma in her books
@darkcorsom She didn't want him to become popular. She always pushed Tanis the Loser, Kitiara, drama drama drama... But didn't work... Raistlin became most respectfull character in Krynn... No one can sacrifice everything for bring pure peace on Krynn... Margaret's stupid end after his Greater Power position... Pure evil Takhisis and others can create life on Krynn but Raistlin can't.???? Only primitive woman jealousy... She did it to Haplo (Hell Gates series) too.. Classic Weiss!
@darkcorsom What the hell are you talking about? The entire story and group was a dungeon and dragons campaign and all the characters was created by other people. It has nothing to do with "Woman jealousy" I have no idea how you can even think that. Raistlin was a powerful, awesome character. Do you even know what you're asking for? The more powerful an interesting character becomes, the less interesting they become, because then they become awesome for their power not just for being awesome
@darkcorsom She did it to Master Hugh, Haplo, Raistlin....etc... someone must tell her... please create a character and than SHUT UP old bitch... I am still waiting from AD&D to apologize and fix the Raistlin's chronicles....
I liked Raistlin, because his character is more realistic. No one on this earth is as good as some of the characters that are in the book. We are all evil at some point. Sad, but true
each character had his or her own flaws and most struggles I found were more internal than not. The purest soul of all was Tasslehoff who unlike most of his kind developed an affinity with people of other cultures and races. He developed a compassion towards others than surpassed even the most empathetic of the other races.
slmrcs is right. Raistlin doesn't care that people fear or hate him, his younger self might have but after his test he more or less lost all contact with humanity. But on a note on argueing over this, it's hard cause there are more than half a dozen books written by differing authors on raistlins choices and childhood
@20MrBigmac The thing is he did care. That is the reason that he sought to become a god. To get back at everyone and everything that had ever wronged him. The love of the power, and that constant dream of the day when he would make those who wronged him call him master were the reasons he never gave up, even when he felt like dying.
@20MrBigmac Trust Margret's books for TRH claims she's the only one who can sooth his troubled soul. She knows him better than anyone could ever hope to, and no offense like the prequel "Brothers Majere" was great but a small part of me finds books by anyone but Margret to be very sophisticated fanfics
Raistlin is the shit. Best character in the series, hands down and probably the most important. Behind blue eyes is a perfect song for him, it describes being misunderstood as well as refers to the fact that his eyes were blue before the tests! very cool.
@kirara11194 thank you very much, i worked hard at this video trying to find the right song and pictures to represent his life and struggles. You will note as you watch that the pictures match the words to the song.
@uzitheklown Except Raistlin is actually interesting. I wonder if Margeret Weis or Tracy Hickman had any idea that Raistlin would become the most beloved character of the Dragonlance books.
He showed it by giving what of himself he could but would not fake things he was not, both his brother and the "nun" deluded themselves much of the time. In my view at any rate.
His is the path that shows how truth has no mercy in it if it be the whole truth. His pain is the price and only having it will tell you if it is worth it.
I love this series. And it hits home somewhat, because I've ignored women like Laurana to be with women like Kit and it pretty much turned out the way it did in the series, Good series nonetheless.
Raistlin is my favorite character in the books, not just because that he is a mage :), but because of what he has to go through. The emotions that he feels for being deprived of his health and youth just makes me feel sad and i always am supporting him. People just don't understand that his love went to the magic and that is the only thing her really sees that he has as his own. I felt that Raistlin was ripped off in life but i don't think he would of changed it. He gave it all for the magic.
I never really liked Kitiara, and I have no idea why. She's totally the type of tough, sexy warrior I usually enjoy reading about, but I didn't really like her with Tanis and I didn't like her with Dalamar. It's not because she was evil, either, I just never felt a connection with her.
That, and I always kind of liked Laurana (though she was a lot less likeable in the movie), so maybe that was why I never cared for Kit.
i've only read the Dragonlance Chronicles, but it says Raistlin has golden eyes with hourglass shaped pupils. i think Caramon does have brown eyes. great video, by the way! the song fits perfectly!
in the soulforge they say that raistlin had blue eyes and that caramon had brown eyes. so are they identical or not? also in legends they say he has brown eyes. wtf is up????!! im confused loll :P
This question was raised before. It could be author error, but it could also be because there was freaking TIME TRAVEL in legends. I don't know, maybe that could have an effect?
i disagree. Sturm Brightblade was the very definition of honor. The classic example of selfless nobility, like King Arthur or Aragorn. His personality as a whole is less liked do to his lack of a damaged personality. People tend to draw on what they know; pain, loss, anger, revenge...
Its the same reason why Batman is more liked than superman. People don't want heroes who always do the right thing and never fall, we want someone who we can relate to. Someone who has experienced what we have.
I just finished Chronicles for the third time. And Sturm struck me as so much more likeable this last time. I'm not sure why. The pain, the sorrow of his character just really got into my head I guess. I think he is an awesome character.
That much is true, however, Sturm did have his moments where he simply was the kind of person that nobody could like. Other examples in literature of the kind of person I mean is Galadedrid (Galad) Damodred of the Wheel of Time series. A person that does right all the time by a code of laws is seldom liked by anyone, whether in the world or as an observer. But hey, that doesn't matter that much to the person doing what they feel is right. They are doing this sheerly through need to follow law.
He claims to be a Solamnia Knight when hes not even ordered. When he goes to defend Solamnia he is even called to stop wearing his father's armor because hes not a knight.
He attempts to live the life of his father (a desertor).
Also when all the companions leave Solace, Sturm travels to Solamnia to meet his roots and find his father. Kit goes with him to look for work as a mrcenary.
In that trip he lets Kit charm him and he fucks her, even he knows Tanis loves her.
Strum was one of the most honest and pure characters in the series. Sure, his distrust in Raist was unjustified (and wrong), but overall he was one of the characters that fought for truth. Failing once doesn't make you a hypocrite.
The order was corrupt so he tried to fix it (and managed to with his death, and the help of Laurana).
And I cannot imagine it being easy to resist one of the most beautiful/charming/powerful women in the world while she's giving everything she has to seduce you.
Strum was one of the most honest and pure characters in the series. Sure, his distrust in Raist was unjustified (and wrong), but overall he was one of the characters that fought for truth. Failing once doesn't make you a hypocrite.
The order was corrupt so he tried to fix it (and managed to with his death, and the help of Laurana).
And I cannot imagine it being easy to resist one of the most beautiful/charming/powerful women in the world while she's giving everything she has to seduce you.
@brooksy413 Actually his distrust of Raistlin was vindicated.
I say it again Raistlin was not a hero in the sense that he cared one bit for the welfare of Krynn or its inhabitants...
because he absolutely did not. He had one thin heartstring for Bupu. When he put the dagger to Caramon's throat, it was symbolic of severing that heartstring.
@mongoose704 Actually you will remember that raistlin had a heart for all the downtrodden in the world. Originally his goal was to rise up high enough in power to stop the weak from being exploited. But like so many things in life, his lust for power got the better of him, until it became twisted into something he never intended it to be thanks to Fistandantilus. It enabled Caramon to eventually stop him from going through the gate, by appealing to raistlins innate love of his brother.
@Mamothain At the end though, there was only a faint heartstring between him and Bupu.
it is made very clear that it wasn't love for his brother that stopped Raistlin, it was Caramon's knowledge of the future that Raistlin's victory would be hollow and empty and Raistlin would waste away for eternity. Prior to knowing the future he was going to kill Caramon but he had to find out why he had that look of pity on him. Raistlin also said he CHOSE his evil path and deeds.
It was the other Knights that were hypocrites and not taking the spirit and principles of the Code to their hearts. Rather they reveled in titles, code, glory, victory, ritual...
Now Kitiara..theres a person alot of people hate..but i dont see why. she brought that extra bit of fire to the books..and that one sex scene between Tanis and Kit..fuck yesh
Raist! the misunderstood hero! the broody one,the brilliant,the feared,the best damn mage al over Krynn.Not even death beated him...oops! so sorry,did i make a spoiler not using my head?^^
Eh, more silly, unless he was actually acting as the god he was. Other than that...well, it was all I could do to keep from thinking, "Leave him. Let him fireball his way out of a forest or a mountain to get home."
I've always loved the story of the Majere brothers. Honestly I'm probably more of a Caramon fan, just because of the strength the man has, both in heart and body and I can relate to him. But Raistlin with his mixed love and hate, his drive to rise above his shattered body and claim power is pretty awesome.
I have a question. I have only read a few books of Dragonlance and I thought they were very good. Anyway I heard that Raistlin && most of the other Heroes of the Lance go to the River of Souls? Could someone tell exactly what the River of Souls is? Some kind of death place? And where does The Gray && the Abyss fit in? Yeah, I guess I really don't know much of Krynn's afterlife places. Please explain all this to me. :)
Okay, the River of Souls was more of an event than a place. The Gray is something that was never clearly explained to me. The Abyss was the Queen of Darkness's domain, almost like Hell in some religions.
The river of souls is an event, that takes place somewhere i will not tell for fear of ruining the story. The Abyss is the oposite of hell. It is where Demons live. Hell is where Devils live, and as for the gray, it is Ravenloft. But they wont say so directly in the book. Any one who knows about Ravenloft will pick up the sudden hints. The gray references to the mists. Ravenloft is where lord Soth was sent, and he took Kitiara with him.
Opposite of Hell would heaven or whatever one's religion calls it. Admittedly, if you were going with Chaos/Order leanings, then you might get that, but only on a pure roleplaying game slant. While the Dragonlance world was originally a campaign world, it has since developed into an independant literary world, and as there is no other afterlife really mentioned as a home for demons or devils, whichever, perhaps you could agree that the Abyss was as close to Hell as Dragonlance got?
They added the Gray into the story, when people at TSR ( Now Wizards of the Coast), decided to put lord Soth in Ravenloft without asking Weis, or Hickman. Since it was an official decision by TSR, the only thing they could do was ad it into their story. Therefore, the Gray is Ravenloft.
raistlin is badass.. it's too bad they can't make a real movie that really captures his spirit and tells his story. perhaps raistlin is too powerful to be captured by mere words..
Raistlin is my favorite character in any book. His double sided personality adds a lot of depth to the dragonlance books. His power, wisdom, and the fact he knows what he wants in life encourages me. His magic impresses me, while some may think him cruel, I see him as a hero...just not a common one
i definitely agree. As Justarius said to par-Salien in the time of the twins. "Pehaps we all fear and love him because we see a piece of ourselves within him." We've all be picked on and torn down. Raistlin enamors us because he endured what we all endure, but unlike us he did something about it!
That was well stated about Raistlin. I am currently beggining to read test of the twins, i just finished War of the Twins last night, did not see the end happenining that way honestly lol
Your in for a treat my friend, it gets better...and i encourge you for the sake of your discovery,(when i first read the series it was one of the defining times of my life)to not read any of the other comments on here from me or anyone else, lest it ruin the story for you. It is far to good a story to be told by someone else. You need to experience it for yourself. :)
I am so far enjoying it. I do, however, have a question. After the time of the twins series, I do not know which to read next, i heard soulforge, or 2nd generation....I'm lost
i would as a rule read 2nd generation, and then Dragons of Summer Flame.
after you are done with that i would then read the soulforged, and then read Brothers in arms.
Dragons of Summer flame carries on the official story after the legends. The soulforged and Brothers in arms tell the early story of Rastlin and Caramon.
After that read the 5th age Trilogy, then
the War of souls Trilogy.
that is the direct line that i read after the chronicles and legends.
he did die, however he escaped being tortured by takhisis. Paladine took his soul and put it in a deep sleep away from where she could reach him. Later, in the chaos war he awakened to help palin his nehpew save the world from chaos, and he even had a chance to apologise to caramon for his past actions. :)
Raistlin was one of the most powerfull mages ever lived in the world of Krynn but eventually his ambition killed him... After that Caramon Majere, his twin brother had a broken part of his soul inside him... R.I.P. Raistlin, you've earned it.
It's all most like every time you read the books you find something new about Raistlin in some way. raistlin is just full of secrets and power. best Raistlin tribute i have found hear on you tube ever:)
yeah but what your not getting is that raistlin grew up with a sickly body. Sometimes when twins are identicle, and i know what im talking about i have cousins that are identicle, one twin will take most of the nutrients in the womb and come out stronger and the other will come out weaker. and often times one will become stronger in build and the other will be thinner and weaker. its a defect of the chromosomes.
they were twins but they were never identical twins. Also it wasnt his body at the time they saw it, it was a combination of his and fistandilius, note the conflict where he drained fistandilius lifeforce. It is my belief that this(whole eye color thing) was actually an inconsitancy of the authors but either way it can be explained.
Caramon and raistlin were identicle twins. They both had blue eyes and brown hair originally. But raistlin took the test. also the blu eyes and brown hair thing in the legends was due to the fact that raistlin was back in time previous to the test when he got his cursed skin eyes and hair. Therefore his physical body though from the future took on what it would have naturally looked like.
Ok.. Caramon was huge, attractive right? So imagine someone sucking every bit of muscle and fat, until there is nothing but bones... That would be Raistlin.
lol i always prefered raistlin, in the 3 books where he is going to try to become a god even before he goes back in time, he is not completely skin and bones, and besides he has the cool looking eyes, intensity, and attrative face. i guess i just dont like the big overly bulky guy who will eventually run to fat. /shrug
hmm im not sure i understand what you are saying, but i love the legends trilogy. That being said my favorite two books of DL are Dragons of Winter Night, and Dragons of Summer Flame. i love the soulforged too
its cool i was drunk last night i was just saying that was the best guy in the dl books but nice choice on thr books you just siad they where good ones not read them in a very long time now am sure on of them was the ones where they where in port city of tarsis wich had no port and a building fell on them cant remmber wich one though
either way..were missing the point. it is a great story, and i for one love it more than i love a lot of things in this life. No exaggeration, i could not love a human baby as much as i love this book series lol
But didn't Raistlin take on Fist's appearence once he went back in time, wouldn't that be why is eyes were brown? I do know that they were Blue before the test.
i thought they were brown eyes before the test, but even if they were blue you are correct in a way. It is impossible for raistlin to have looked like fistandantilus because he was a lich and had long since discarded his original body. Raistlin may have taken on a mixture of what he himslef looked like before the test and what Fistandantilus looked like in the body before it aged. They also allude to the fact that it was a disguise so it may very well have been neither and just a random visage.
i tried killing raistlin, then i took a spell to the knee
jamesisbackdude101 1 month ago 5
@jamesisbackdude101 thats what you get for messing with the master :P
Mamothain 1 month ago
"if u cling to life you live in fear of death" that is my fav raistlin quote long live raistlin for he is and always will be god among men
itachipain18 5 months ago 3
behind hourglass eyes.
birdcagemind 8 months ago 5
Let's be honest, no one, not a single one of us read the books to listen to Tanis or Sturm angst all the time.
tendoking48 1 year ago 4
raist was the strongest charactor in the entire series. i knew that since the day i read about him in book 1 "Autumn twilight" till the day "dragons of the hour glass mage" was released. if anyone deserved to be a god on Krynn it would be Raist
ignore4me 1 year ago 10
Raistlin is sacrificed everything for his one love "Krynn"... He saw gods, goddesses selfish game on it. Play with souls, play with the nature..pain...pain... only pain... Raistlin knew there is no solution except one. Go to source of pain and defeat it... Impossible quest for every living creature... And he did it... He took his and many lost souls revenge from gods and goddesses one by one... But here is the stupid part. Like always Margeret Weiss tried to kill Raistlin's charisma in her books
darkcorsom 1 year ago
@darkcorsom She didn't want him to become popular. She always pushed Tanis the Loser, Kitiara, drama drama drama... But didn't work... Raistlin became most respectfull character in Krynn... No one can sacrifice everything for bring pure peace on Krynn... Margaret's stupid end after his Greater Power position... Pure evil Takhisis and others can create life on Krynn but Raistlin can't.???? Only primitive woman jealousy... She did it to Haplo (Hell Gates series) too.. Classic Weiss!
darkcorsom 1 year ago
@darkcorsom What the hell are you talking about? The entire story and group was a dungeon and dragons campaign and all the characters was created by other people. It has nothing to do with "Woman jealousy" I have no idea how you can even think that. Raistlin was a powerful, awesome character. Do you even know what you're asking for? The more powerful an interesting character becomes, the less interesting they become, because then they become awesome for their power not just for being awesome
GedenWilbur 1 year ago
@GedenWilbur I agree Geden
Mamothain 11 months ago
@darkcorsom She did it to Master Hugh, Haplo, Raistlin....etc... someone must tell her... please create a character and than SHUT UP old bitch... I am still waiting from AD&D to apologize and fix the Raistlin's chronicles....
darkcorsom 1 year ago
I liked Raistlin, because his character is more realistic. No one on this earth is as good as some of the characters that are in the book. We are all evil at some point. Sad, but true
hmcgill911 1 year ago 2
@hmcgill911
each character had his or her own flaws and most struggles I found were more internal than not. The purest soul of all was Tasslehoff who unlike most of his kind developed an affinity with people of other cultures and races. He developed a compassion towards others than surpassed even the most empathetic of the other races.
TAOtheGod 1 year ago
slmrcs is right. Raistlin doesn't care that people fear or hate him, his younger self might have but after his test he more or less lost all contact with humanity. But on a note on argueing over this, it's hard cause there are more than half a dozen books written by differing authors on raistlins choices and childhood
20MrBigmac 1 year ago 2
@20MrBigmac The thing is he did care. That is the reason that he sought to become a god. To get back at everyone and everything that had ever wronged him. The love of the power, and that constant dream of the day when he would make those who wronged him call him master were the reasons he never gave up, even when he felt like dying.
Mamothain 1 year ago 6
@20MrBigmac Trust Margret's books for TRH claims she's the only one who can sooth his troubled soul. She knows him better than anyone could ever hope to, and no offense like the prequel "Brothers Majere" was great but a small part of me finds books by anyone but Margret to be very sophisticated fanfics
masterthehate2 1 month ago
This video should not be done to raistlin. I don't think he'd like it.
slmrcs 1 year ago 4
@slmrcs why do you say that? :)-Mamothain
Mamothain 1 year ago
@Mamothain Because he despise pity? :P
GedenWilbur 1 year ago
@GedenWilbur
Yes, exactly XD
snylilith 5 months ago
@Mamothain I agree...It just doesn't seem like something Raistlin would approve of...
LiaShida 2 months ago
Nice video, it would be even better if you changed the version of the song, put the original by The Who on instead of this one.
EtherialMoiety 1 year ago 2
5 of 5
valimar77 1 year ago
@valimar77 thanks man
Mamothain 1 year ago
I love Raistlin. Thanks this video made me cry
AnaChanteraine 1 year ago
@AnaChanteraine I take that as a true compliment. Thank you very much
Mamothain 1 year ago
@Mamothain You're welcome
AnaChanteraine 1 year ago
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Fedaykin4321 1 year ago
@Fedaykin4321 where do i add the line?
Mamothain 1 year ago
Raistlin is the shit. Best character in the series, hands down and probably the most important. Behind blue eyes is a perfect song for him, it describes being misunderstood as well as refers to the fact that his eyes were blue before the tests! very cool.
cryptopumkincarver 1 year ago
@cryptopumkincarver very cool. Thank you
Mamothain 1 year ago
i agree with that rait is the most important and the hotest idc wat tika and luranna say and this song matches him perfectly
kirara11194 1 year ago
@kirara11194 thank you very much, i worked hard at this video trying to find the right song and pictures to represent his life and struggles. You will note as you watch that the pictures match the words to the song.
Mamothain 1 year ago
raist could kick voldemorts ass any day
uzitheklown 1 year ago 44
@uzitheklown Yea... Perfect for Raist...
666Maidenist 1 year ago
@uzitheklown voldemort can not even kill a child, much less turn mountains into dust xD
TheFerrara44 1 year ago
@TheFerrara44 hehe
Mamothain 1 year ago
@uzitheklown Except Raistlin is actually interesting. I wonder if Margeret Weis or Tracy Hickman had any idea that Raistlin would become the most beloved character of the Dragonlance books.
Whosblah 6 months ago
@uzitheklown and everybody else's too, well, except the bhaal spawn. lol
neirfane 4 months ago
perfect song for Raist
wendyw007 1 year ago
it was funny the only people he carred deeply bought was caramon and crysania but he nvr wanted to show it
uzitheklown 1 year ago
He showed it by giving what of himself he could but would not fake things he was not, both his brother and the "nun" deluded themselves much of the time. In my view at any rate.
SkullCowboy333 1 year ago
@SkullCowboy333 very true.!!
Mamothain 1 year ago
@Mamothain I am glad I am not alone in my thoughts on the great mage.
SkullCowboy333 1 year ago
@SkullCowboy333 In my opinion the best. You do me great honor in liking my video!
Mamothain 1 year ago
His is the path that shows how truth has no mercy in it if it be the whole truth. His pain is the price and only having it will tell you if it is worth it.
SkullCowboy333 1 year ago
Very true skull, very true.
Mamothain 1 year ago
thanks
SkullCowboy333 1 year ago
kill that man kill that man what man Ariakas of course and Verminaard stupid fucking religous wanker those muscley gaylord highlords
fsgraveside609 1 year ago
picked on by those wretched skull children at horror school in the Abyss
fsgraveside609 1 year ago
I love this series. And it hits home somewhat, because I've ignored women like Laurana to be with women like Kit and it pretty much turned out the way it did in the series, Good series nonetheless.
Darkrunner1975 2 years ago
raistlein is my fav. character for almost the same reason's as zonulti. I also think this song fits him very well.
LindelDragon 2 years ago
thank you very much :)
Mamothain 2 years ago
Raistlin is my favorite character in the books, not just because that he is a mage :), but because of what he has to go through. The emotions that he feels for being deprived of his health and youth just makes me feel sad and i always am supporting him. People just don't understand that his love went to the magic and that is the only thing her really sees that he has as his own. I felt that Raistlin was ripped off in life but i don't think he would of changed it. He gave it all for the magic.
Zonulti 2 years ago
@Zonulti I mean he, not her. Sorry, I'm not the best of checking what i type.
Zonulti 2 years ago
its ok lol and thank you for the comment
Mamothain 2 years ago
amazing this is the song i choosefor him ,rastlin will live forever at least for me!!!!
Batblack1985 2 years ago 12
hehe thats awesome
Mamothain 2 years ago
@Batblack1985 amen!!!
Mamothain 8 months ago
@Batblack1985 Amen again!!!! I fell in love with Raist about 24 years ago, and I still love him!
DarkwaveLady 6 months ago 2
awesome video i love every second of it!
nightbreeseinurhair 2 years ago 2
thank you very much
Mamothain 2 years ago
Poor Raist....I loved him in the books and was mad when I heard that he had to go through the suffering in the Abyss. Awesome video btw.
Sagefrost 2 years ago 3
thank you
Mamothain 2 years ago
kinda fiting song for raistlin
uzitheklown 2 years ago 2
thank you
Mamothain 2 years ago
You think if any one ever trusted raistlen to begin with he wouldnt have been so jaded.
willey057 2 years ago 2
no dude no, the reasone he's so jaded is for his magic!
nightbreeseinurhair 2 years ago 3
this is also true
Mamothain 2 years ago
i agree. His anger and power came from his frustration at being hated and picked on for being different
Mamothain 2 years ago
hmmm.....lol flint....lol is funny tas stole his dagger llol
mastergamerbailey 2 years ago
lol in the first book...
"Besides"..."the dagger was Flint's" lol
Sirius1640 2 years ago 2
hehe
Mamothain 2 years ago
yup
Mamothain 2 years ago
I never really liked Kitiara, and I have no idea why. She's totally the type of tough, sexy warrior I usually enjoy reading about, but I didn't really like her with Tanis and I didn't like her with Dalamar. It's not because she was evil, either, I just never felt a connection with her.
That, and I always kind of liked Laurana (though she was a lot less likeable in the movie), so maybe that was why I never cared for Kit.
Love the name Kitiara, tho...
bharune 2 years ago
I couldnt stand laurana and always like kit...... but kits fait was more then i could ask for HAIL SOTH
willey057 2 years ago
i've only read the Dragonlance Chronicles, but it says Raistlin has golden eyes with hourglass shaped pupils. i think Caramon does have brown eyes. great video, by the way! the song fits perfectly!
Spottedpaw12 2 years ago
Prior to the Chronicles, when he was a kid, he had blue eyes.
stygyan 2 years ago
in the soulforge they say that raistlin had blue eyes and that caramon had brown eyes. so are they identical or not? also in legends they say he has brown eyes. wtf is up????!! im confused loll :P
OneOh10z 2 years ago
This question was raised before. It could be author error, but it could also be because there was freaking TIME TRAVEL in legends. I don't know, maybe that could have an effect?
draconicon2 2 years ago
probably:))
OneOh10z 2 years ago
Raistlen owns all flint was a good guy but sturm was the worst charecter in the group of the companions
raistlen0caramon 2 years ago 2
i disagree. Sturm Brightblade was the very definition of honor. The classic example of selfless nobility, like King Arthur or Aragorn. His personality as a whole is less liked do to his lack of a damaged personality. People tend to draw on what they know; pain, loss, anger, revenge...
Its the same reason why Batman is more liked than superman. People don't want heroes who always do the right thing and never fall, we want someone who we can relate to. Someone who has experienced what we have.
Mamothain 2 years ago
I just finished Chronicles for the third time. And Sturm struck me as so much more likeable this last time. I'm not sure why. The pain, the sorrow of his character just really got into my head I guess. I think he is an awesome character.
jsgirl154 2 years ago 4
i agree. well said :)
Mamothain 2 years ago
That much is true, however, Sturm did have his moments where he simply was the kind of person that nobody could like. Other examples in literature of the kind of person I mean is Galadedrid (Galad) Damodred of the Wheel of Time series. A person that does right all the time by a code of laws is seldom liked by anyone, whether in the world or as an observer. But hey, that doesn't matter that much to the person doing what they feel is right. They are doing this sheerly through need to follow law.
draconicon2 2 years ago
Thank you! Sturm was amazing. he stood for everything a warrior should.
raistlinblackwaters 2 years ago
Sturm is a hipocrite fail
He claims to be a Solamnia Knight when hes not even ordered. When he goes to defend Solamnia he is even called to stop wearing his father's armor because hes not a knight.
He attempts to live the life of his father (a desertor).
Also when all the companions leave Solace, Sturm travels to Solamnia to meet his roots and find his father. Kit goes with him to look for work as a mrcenary.
In that trip he lets Kit charm him and he fucks her, even he knows Tanis loves her.
joanal12 2 years ago
Strum was one of the most honest and pure characters in the series. Sure, his distrust in Raist was unjustified (and wrong), but overall he was one of the characters that fought for truth. Failing once doesn't make you a hypocrite.
The order was corrupt so he tried to fix it (and managed to with his death, and the help of Laurana).
And I cannot imagine it being easy to resist one of the most beautiful/charming/powerful women in the world while she's giving everything she has to seduce you.
brooksy413 1 year ago
Strum was one of the most honest and pure characters in the series. Sure, his distrust in Raist was unjustified (and wrong), but overall he was one of the characters that fought for truth. Failing once doesn't make you a hypocrite.
The order was corrupt so he tried to fix it (and managed to with his death, and the help of Laurana).
And I cannot imagine it being easy to resist one of the most beautiful/charming/powerful women in the world while she's giving everything she has to seduce you.
brooksy413 1 year ago
@brooksy413
Nicely put, so true
wendyw007 1 year ago
@brooksy413 Actually his distrust of Raistlin was vindicated.
I say it again Raistlin was not a hero in the sense that he cared one bit for the welfare of Krynn or its inhabitants...
because he absolutely did not. He had one thin heartstring for Bupu. When he put the dagger to Caramon's throat, it was symbolic of severing that heartstring.
mongoose704 1 year ago
@mongoose704 Actually you will remember that raistlin had a heart for all the downtrodden in the world. Originally his goal was to rise up high enough in power to stop the weak from being exploited. But like so many things in life, his lust for power got the better of him, until it became twisted into something he never intended it to be thanks to Fistandantilus. It enabled Caramon to eventually stop him from going through the gate, by appealing to raistlins innate love of his brother.
Mamothain 1 year ago
@Mamothain At the end though, there was only a faint heartstring between him and Bupu.
it is made very clear that it wasn't love for his brother that stopped Raistlin, it was Caramon's knowledge of the future that Raistlin's victory would be hollow and empty and Raistlin would waste away for eternity. Prior to knowing the future he was going to kill Caramon but he had to find out why he had that look of pity on him. Raistlin also said he CHOSE his evil path and deeds.
mongoose704 1 year ago
@mongoose704 That is a very good point. I will agree with your statement.!
Mamothain 1 year ago
@mongoose704 i beg to differ the twins always shared love, as did bupu and raistlin and crysania and raistlin
raistlinmajere98 1 year ago
@Mamothain kinda like hitler when he wanted to stick up for the germans then turned into something else curious dont ya think......
lotuschilds 1 year ago
@brooksy413 However the authors played those two hearstrings for all they could...
because they are good writers.
Ah Sturm...what a great character who helped to contrast the spiritual vs the religious.
mongoose704 1 year ago
@mongoose704 very true
Mamothain 1 year ago
@Mamothain Absolutely...
It was the other Knights that were hypocrites and not taking the spirit and principles of the Code to their hearts. Rather they reveled in titles, code, glory, victory, ritual...
and the spoils of victory.
mongoose704 1 year ago
@mongoose704 i will agree with that statement :)
Mamothain 1 year ago
Now Kitiara..theres a person alot of people hate..but i dont see why. she brought that extra bit of fire to the books..and that one sex scene between Tanis and Kit..fuck yesh
raistlinblackwaters 2 years ago
i prefer flint then sturm the raist
coolairguy 2 years ago
Fizban is Paladine right?
jcmonje23 2 years ago
for the people who haven't read it i will neither confirm or deny it. :)
Mamothain 2 years ago
ye... raist pwnz.... he is also my second favorite... just between theros ironfeld and vinas solamnus:D
bandislol 2 years ago
Raist! the misunderstood hero! the broody one,the brilliant,the feared,the best damn mage al over Krynn.Not even death beated him...oops! so sorry,did i make a spoiler not using my head?^^
Best character ever! O_^
elfanin 2 years ago 4
i totally agree
Mamothain 2 years ago
AGREED!
~Skry~
SilverNightstorm 2 years ago
he is my second fav character after fizban.
KeechBee 2 years ago 2
Fizban was pretty amazing :)
Mamothain 2 years ago
True.And he was the mortal incarnation of Paladine so yeah pretty amazing old men :)
JOLEMONGOL 2 years ago
totally :)
Mamothain 2 years ago
LOL way to post a spoiler for anyone who hasn't read the books you dope
I know it was harmless but geez use your head will ya
Waylander08 2 years ago
Eh, more silly, unless he was actually acting as the god he was. Other than that...well, it was all I could do to keep from thinking, "Leave him. Let him fireball his way out of a forest or a mountain to get home."
draconicon2 2 years ago 2
damn skippy
Mamothain 2 years ago
where did Fizban put his hat anyway? hehhee
ajay0813 2 years ago 2
lol it remains a mystery...hehe :)
Mamothain 2 years ago
the twins seres was the best in my opinion. But i love all the books
Drake3333 2 years ago 3
I agree. I'm re-reading War of the Twins now!!
spidermanvenom2 2 years ago
me as well :)
Mamothain 2 years ago
It's the Legends Trilogy.
gbncsrht 2 years ago
I've always loved the story of the Majere brothers. Honestly I'm probably more of a Caramon fan, just because of the strength the man has, both in heart and body and I can relate to him. But Raistlin with his mixed love and hate, his drive to rise above his shattered body and claim power is pretty awesome.
valen311 2 years ago
well said :)
Mamothain 2 years ago
I have a question. I have only read a few books of Dragonlance and I thought they were very good. Anyway I heard that Raistlin && most of the other Heroes of the Lance go to the River of Souls? Could someone tell exactly what the River of Souls is? Some kind of death place? And where does The Gray && the Abyss fit in? Yeah, I guess I really don't know much of Krynn's afterlife places. Please explain all this to me. :)
OneOh10q 2 years ago
Okay, the River of Souls was more of an event than a place. The Gray is something that was never clearly explained to me. The Abyss was the Queen of Darkness's domain, almost like Hell in some religions.
draconicon2 2 years ago
The river of souls is an event, that takes place somewhere i will not tell for fear of ruining the story. The Abyss is the oposite of hell. It is where Demons live. Hell is where Devils live, and as for the gray, it is Ravenloft. But they wont say so directly in the book. Any one who knows about Ravenloft will pick up the sudden hints. The gray references to the mists. Ravenloft is where lord Soth was sent, and he took Kitiara with him.
Mamothain 2 years ago
Opposite of Hell would heaven or whatever one's religion calls it. Admittedly, if you were going with Chaos/Order leanings, then you might get that, but only on a pure roleplaying game slant. While the Dragonlance world was originally a campaign world, it has since developed into an independant literary world, and as there is no other afterlife really mentioned as a home for demons or devils, whichever, perhaps you could agree that the Abyss was as close to Hell as Dragonlance got?
draconicon2 2 years ago 2
i would agree with that statement!! Very cool. :)
They added the Gray into the story, when people at TSR ( Now Wizards of the Coast), decided to put lord Soth in Ravenloft without asking Weis, or Hickman. Since it was an official decision by TSR, the only thing they could do was ad it into their story. Therefore, the Gray is Ravenloft.
Mamothain 2 years ago
That makes a good stream of logic...but what the heck are we doing using logic when explaining a fantasy world?
draconicon2 2 years ago
raistlin is badass.. it's too bad they can't make a real movie that really captures his spirit and tells his story. perhaps raistlin is too powerful to be captured by mere words..
ascheylus 2 years ago 4
i agree, although Keifer sutherland did a good voice interpretation of him.
Ive hear that they actually have plans on a live action Dragons of Winter Night.
Mamothain 2 years ago
Raistlin is my favorite character in any book. His double sided personality adds a lot of depth to the dragonlance books. His power, wisdom, and the fact he knows what he wants in life encourages me. His magic impresses me, while some may think him cruel, I see him as a hero...just not a common one
pickledearwax 3 years ago 5
i definitely agree. As Justarius said to par-Salien in the time of the twins. "Pehaps we all fear and love him because we see a piece of ourselves within him." We've all be picked on and torn down. Raistlin enamors us because he endured what we all endure, but unlike us he did something about it!
Mamothain 3 years ago
That was well stated about Raistlin. I am currently beggining to read test of the twins, i just finished War of the Twins last night, did not see the end happenining that way honestly lol
pickledearwax 3 years ago 3
Your in for a treat my friend, it gets better...and i encourge you for the sake of your discovery,(when i first read the series it was one of the defining times of my life)to not read any of the other comments on here from me or anyone else, lest it ruin the story for you. It is far to good a story to be told by someone else. You need to experience it for yourself. :)
Mamothain 3 years ago
I am so far enjoying it. I do, however, have a question. After the time of the twins series, I do not know which to read next, i heard soulforge, or 2nd generation....I'm lost
pickledearwax 3 years ago
i would as a rule read 2nd generation, and then Dragons of Summer Flame.
after you are done with that i would then read the soulforged, and then read Brothers in arms.
Dragons of Summer flame carries on the official story after the legends. The soulforged and Brothers in arms tell the early story of Rastlin and Caramon.
After that read the 5th age Trilogy, then
the War of souls Trilogy.
that is the direct line that i read after the chronicles and legends.
:)
have fun
Mamothain 3 years ago
The song mix for Ras is good. Good vid. Thanks for the comment too.
doorsoftime 3 years ago 2
what if he isn't dead? what if his power concealed him? If he is dead then my his soul rest in peace.
unicorn0897 3 years ago 2
he did die, however he escaped being tortured by takhisis. Paladine took his soul and put it in a deep sleep away from where she could reach him. Later, in the chaos war he awakened to help palin his nehpew save the world from chaos, and he even had a chance to apologise to caramon for his past actions. :)
Mamothain 3 years ago
Thanks for telling me : )
unicorn0897 3 years ago
no problem, thats what i do :)
Mamothain 3 years ago
Raistlin was one of the most powerfull mages ever lived in the world of Krynn but eventually his ambition killed him... After that Caramon Majere, his twin brother had a broken part of his soul inside him... R.I.P. Raistlin, you've earned it.
PluT0N1c 3 years ago 4
It's all most like every time you read the books you find something new about Raistlin in some way. raistlin is just full of secrets and power. best Raistlin tribute i have found hear on you tube ever:)
thewowplayer45 3 years ago 6
thank you :)
Mamothain 2 years ago
Aw... poor Raistlin, I love him ^^ This song fits him so well, I think. Awesome job :)
samuraXIV 3 years ago 4
thanks
Mamothain 2 years ago
haha, i definitely agree! id take raistlin over a baby any time :P
aurielMoon 3 years ago 2
Eh, depends on the baby, but anyway, straying from this to a chat, aren't we?
draconicon2 3 years ago
yeah but what your not getting is that raistlin grew up with a sickly body. Sometimes when twins are identicle, and i know what im talking about i have cousins that are identicle, one twin will take most of the nutrients in the womb and come out stronger and the other will come out weaker. and often times one will become stronger in build and the other will be thinner and weaker. its a defect of the chromosomes.
Mamothain 3 years ago
Correct. That has happened alot. Infact, sometimes, one twin and kill the other.
hmcgill911 2 years ago
: )
idied2day1869 3 years ago
exerpt the soulforge:
"This boy kept his pale blue eyes level with those of the adult, held them fixed and unwavering on the archmage."
last sentence second paragraph 26th page.
idied2day1869 3 years ago 3
one of my favorite lines throughout the hole saga. Well remembered!
:)
Mamothain 3 years ago
gold after the test sorry typo
idied2day1869 3 years ago
he had blue eyes then gold
blue eyes in the book thats supposed to be chronilogically first
blue after the test
brown when he traveled back in time
the gold again
idied2day1869 3 years ago
Caramon and Raistlin are twins so they both had brown eyes when he went back in time it showed what he looked like before the test.
hinatazaraki 3 years ago
they were twins but they were never identical twins. Also it wasnt his body at the time they saw it, it was a combination of his and fistandilius, note the conflict where he drained fistandilius lifeforce. It is my belief that this(whole eye color thing) was actually an inconsitancy of the authors but either way it can be explained.
idied2day1869 3 years ago
No they are identical but raistlin is just really frail.
hinatazaraki 3 years ago 2
Caramon and raistlin were identicle twins. They both had blue eyes and brown hair originally. But raistlin took the test. also the blu eyes and brown hair thing in the legends was due to the fact that raistlin was back in time previous to the test when he got his cursed skin eyes and hair. Therefore his physical body though from the future took on what it would have naturally looked like.
Mamothain 3 years ago
there faces looked different
if they were identical twins the authors would have described there faces the same way.
idied2day1869 3 years ago
Ok.. Caramon was huge, attractive right? So imagine someone sucking every bit of muscle and fat, until there is nothing but bones... That would be Raistlin.
hmcgill911 2 years ago
lol i always prefered raistlin, in the 3 books where he is going to try to become a god even before he goes back in time, he is not completely skin and bones, and besides he has the cool looking eyes, intensity, and attrative face. i guess i just dont like the big overly bulky guy who will eventually run to fat. /shrug
idied2day1869 2 years ago
I always thought Raistlin was HOT! lol.
I mean.. he makes evil sexy lol. Sad huh.
Heather
hmcgill911 2 years ago
lol
obviously i dont think its sad
raistlin is hot
idied2day1869 2 years ago
na its not hewas one of the best of the dragon lancebooks had to offer
Alex15Shinra 2 years ago
hmm im not sure i understand what you are saying, but i love the legends trilogy. That being said my favorite two books of DL are Dragons of Winter Night, and Dragons of Summer Flame. i love the soulforged too
Mamothain 2 years ago
its cool i was drunk last night i was just saying that was the best guy in the dl books but nice choice on thr books you just siad they where good ones not read them in a very long time now am sure on of them was the ones where they where in port city of tarsis wich had no port and a building fell on them cant remmber wich one though
Alex15Shinra 2 years ago
;) that would be Dragons of Winter Night.
Mamothain 2 years ago
aaaaa may thanks i remmber now hehe
Alex15Shinra 2 years ago
it says clearly in soulforge that raistlin's hair was more AUBURN and that he had BLUE eyes. they were NOT identical twins.
aurielMoon 3 years ago
either way..were missing the point. it is a great story, and i for one love it more than i love a lot of things in this life. No exaggeration, i could not love a human baby as much as i love this book series lol
Mamothain 3 years ago
i agree lol
ObiWan2244 3 years ago
I love so much dragonlance that I tatooed the battle between Raistlin and Finstandantilus (Raist in my chest, Fistandantilus in my left arm).
Dragonlance is really a part of me.
Ariakas81 3 years ago 2
But didn't Raistlin take on Fist's appearence once he went back in time, wouldn't that be why is eyes were brown? I do know that they were Blue before the test.
hmcgill911 2 years ago
i thought they were brown eyes before the test, but even if they were blue you are correct in a way. It is impossible for raistlin to have looked like fistandantilus because he was a lich and had long since discarded his original body. Raistlin may have taken on a mixture of what he himslef looked like before the test and what Fistandantilus looked like in the body before it aged. They also allude to the fact that it was a disguise so it may very well have been neither and just a random visage.
Mamothain 2 years ago