Hey man enjoyed the video thanks. Looks like youz have a great gym going on there and plenty of hard work going down aswell, hope your guys do good in any future fights.
I would love to commute to go to this school over the summer, the only problem is finding the money to use the LIRR ta few times a week. I hope I can find a well paying summer job
again, all I am saying is that it is appropriate to be upfront and acknowledge your lineage in Muay Thai. Kru Phil appearing on TV is not in any way contrary to this. I don't get your point. It should never be a secret who a man trained under. And Kru Nestor trained under Kru Phil, meaning he is NOT an original Muay Thai instructor of New York. Period. This is as simple as 2+2. What he said isn't accurate. It doesn't make him a bad trainer. Your sideways arguments don't change this fact
@KahL1One I'm neither bitching nor complaining. And nor did I ever imply that Kru Nestor or any of his associates were not respectable people. You are way off base. I don't want anything from him or you much less any worshipping or kowtowing. All I did was simply correct a historical inaccuracy in my comment. And I don't need to take up anything with Nestor because he knows what I'm saying is true. I'm also not going to go notify him in person that the sky is blue and water is wet.
This is a generational problem I think- it has become all about "look at me" and "this is who I've trained and what I've done" and the whole "this is where I come from" and "these are my roots" has been lost. Fame is king. Heritage is lost. I don't come from this. I come from Muay Thai: respect your heritage, and always pay honor to your teacher. Respect is #1.
Again, by your complaints, are you claiming that Nestor is a garbage instructor?
Because if so, and if Nurse wasn't the point of the episode, why is this a subject?
Lastly, Nestor is probably one of THE most underrated instructors in the city. Nurse is on TV everytime anything regarding GSP or the UFC in the East Coast is concerned. Now count how many times Nestor has ever been in the public spotlight other than a single docu from 10yrs ago.
@KahL1One Ok my argument is flawed? You haven't responded to anything I've said about the importance of lineage due to the high number of unqualified instructors. You haven't responded to what I've said about the martial lifestyle being more important than a few years of active competition, and you keep insinuating that I think Nestor is "garbage" even after I've plainly stated that I think he is an excellent trainer. But my argument is flawed. Ok.
The first episode is about Nestor and Ultimate Gym. There aren't any unqualified instructors here. So you have no point.
The lineage point holds no bearing on what's happening with this. So again, no point.
The martial lifestyle is according to each individual's personality. Just because you hold people to higher standard if they follow some code of Budo doesn't mean that's what it IS.
Each person I've worked with regarding this has been respectful in every way. So again, what is your point?
Do you just want an entire video of Nestor kowtowing to Nurse? Will that satisfy you? Because at this point, you appear to be bitching just for the sake of bitching and not much else.
Nurse gets enough publicity as it is. He doesn't need anymore from Nestor who, by all accounts, receives very little if any.
and the problem at hand is this: any instructor who is more apt to show you the famous people he has trained but does not proudly display the picture of himself with his instructor, he is not honoring the martial way or properly respecting Muay Thai. You tell me- you see pics of Nestor with various fighters. When you walk into Ultimate Gym do you see a picture with him and Kru Phil?
It does matter. Half the reason that I see novice practitioners coming from garbage schools is that instructors have invented themselves by obtaining online certifications and bogus credentials. By being able to trace an instructors lineage, you, as a new student, have a way to verify that instructor's legitimacy. And I won't describe why paying homage to your roots is important on its own value if you can't understand that by yourself.
Kahl I think you are a fantastic cinematographer. However, you are about as equipped to argue with me about martial arts history in the northeast as I am to tell you which particular film grade or lens to use. I'm not trying to create a platform for discussion and interrupt commentary on your video. I simply heard something that needed clarification and clarified it. Good luck in the future.
that when students fall out with their instructors or start their own gyms they often try to erase their past or deny their heritage. You are supposed to honor your instructor. Kru Nestor should always pay homage to Phil as his instructor, as every other student does to their respective instructor. That is the way of martial arts and Muay Thai is included.
As far as the politics are concerned, we more to worry about. Bickering and in-fighting at a time when we need the sport to be legalized holds much more weight than who should pay homage to who on the science of fighting.
The purpose for NY MMA as a series is to educate those who don't understand the sport and its culture. And even more, presenting it in a clear and unbiased light.
I understand where you're coming from. But in the grand scheme of things, it's just not that important.
@KahL1One I disagree. Maybe from a business model you have legal concerns based around dollars. My primary concern is the integrity of my art, Muay Thai, which predates your "grand scheme" of sport legalization by literally THOUSANDS of years. I hope for Muay Thai to exist long after UFC, Strikeforce and whatever else is the trend of the day. For that to happen, proper respect is a huge concern. I would pause before making a judgment on what exactly is "important".
I come from a Kung Fu background and like most traditional MA backgrounds, there is a ton of bickering and infighting when it comes to lineage of any sort.
Now in the bigger picture, at the end of the day- what does it ever solve or help. Other than the personal egos of specific instructors?
It doesn’t educate anyone on a higher level, it doesn’t help the practitioner become better at his/her art form and it certainly won’t benefit anyone in the long run beyond a few plaques, and stamps.
There isn’t any monetary gain with this series as it is. Its purpose is its purpose as I described.
@sogetsu72 Your problems with whether Nestor acknowledges Nurse when the episode isn’t even about the WAT doesn’t make much sense. Again, in the scheme of helping out all of the gyms gain exposure for the betterment of the sport, infighting is pointless.
MMA is everywhere in this city now for young and upcoming students and athletes. Its legalization further helps them fight on a local level with ammy and pro circuits.
@KahL1One Further, I don't have any "gripe" with Nestor. That is your assumption. I think he is an excellent instructor. The fact that I think he should acknowledge his heritage has no bearing on that. Further, legalizing MMA doesn't necessarily mean better opportunity. Again, it means more dollars bc of schools opening. Part of the PROBLEM with martial arts today is the OVER-FOCUS on sport fighting, which you may be a part of if you think that legalization is the way to give people
So you're complaining about "sport fighting", yet your supporting points are with Nurse, who is a Muay Thai instructor. A SPORT FIGHTING martial art by its origins from Thailand.
Call me confused but, that doesn't make any sense at all.
Would you have any other suggestions to help alleviate the sport fighting focus? Considering that competing is the main manner of testing a person's skills.
I'm actually confused on what your point actually is now.
@KahL1One My point is that when we stop acknowledging our heritage and the importance of our lineage, it opens the door for a lot of false credentials and opportunity. people who are not qualified to be instructors take advantage of those who would like to learn. Muay Thai evolved from WAR, not sport. That was a progression. Competing is NOT the main manner of testing one's skills, living a life of honor and respect is. Competing is a small window of one's life. Maybe 5-10 years.
Oh God....Muay Thai stopped being about war hundreds upon hundreds of years ago. It's a sport martial art now, much like Judo and other arts that have ceased sitting on the "war" crutch as if it holds any water in this day and age. Muay Thai has more in common with sports gambling now than it ever did about war these days. Just ask the kids who grow up training within it so they can survive their upbringing within the country. Much like boxing in Mexico.
@KahL1One opportunity. That's not everyone's answer just yours. Maybe people could benefit from simply learning the arts and not feeling pressure to jump into the ring or cage. It survived all these years I think the arts will be ok whether or not NY blesses the sport side. People who wish to learn will seek out training. And they don't necessarily need to be fighters or aspiring fighters.
So because the IDEA of training w/o competing seems nice to you, it should eliminate the opportunity for local athletes to compete in MMA on their own home turf?
Are you even aware what these fighters have to go through to travel everywhere else just to have an opportunity to compete? Or the amount they need to sacrifice monetarily only to end up in a smoker somewhere in West Virginia?
Not everyone who trains, competes. But, taking the opportunity away is even more ignorant.
@KahL1One no one said the opportunity for competition should be taken away. I am fully aware of what goes on and the travel involved. I have trained and traveled with both MMA and Muay Thai fighters in the northeast. And most fighters will agree, there is too much emphasis in martial arts right now on sport fighting. It is not the be-all, end-all of what martial arts is about. It is a lifestyle, not just a means to compete. What you do after your fighting years is just as significant.
cool video. I think it would be more accurate to call this a documentary on Ultimate Gym or Kru Nestor rather than New York MMA. For the MMA side, there are many instructors and fighters who would need to be included to make it respectably complete. I also don't like that Nestor portrays himself as an "original Muay Thai instructor in New York". Kru Nestor was doing kickboxing in shiny pants and didn't know what Muay Thai was until he met Kru Phil Nurse of the WAT. That is a FACT.
Rather than claiming this is a docu solely on Nestor, you should check out Episode 2- being on another gym as well and upcoming Episode 3 concentrating on another. NY MMA as a series isn't about one gym, like you're assuming. Hence "Chapter 1".
As far as Nurse and Nestor, maybe you should take that up w/ Nestor in person. Not on a keyboard.
@KahL1One: noted! I will definitely check out the rest of the series. Sorry if my comment is premature. Again I think the video is great quality. Regarding Nestor, no I am not from the WAT. However, I have trained at the WAT and Gleasons and Church Street and many of New York's Muay Thai and boxing gyms. I know its history as well. This isn't something I would hesistate to say to Nestor I've seen him at many fight venues. This is a problem with martial arts in general,
Life is, more than anything else, a spiritual struggle. For me personally Martial Arts had a big impact on my life and became a part of my soul. A part that will always be there even now that I no longer formally take martial arts classes. Martial Arts does not stop at the dojo. It continues on for the rest of your life. The lifestyle of a martial artist is one filled with self-confidence and respect for others. It was never a sport for me.
Excellent work! Your camera work and cinematography is always beautiful. Surprise surprise... I'm in the works of making an MMA doc' also haha. Love your editing style too... the flow of it really matches the music well. Just absolutely loved it man. Well done and can't wait to see the rest.
Hey man enjoyed the video thanks. Looks like youz have a great gym going on there and plenty of hard work going down aswell, hope your guys do good in any future fights.
Dunstenchecksin 3 months ago
Great work Kru! Barry from NYC
millionstylesboksing 4 months ago
excellent.............
IrieKify 10 months ago
I would love to commute to go to this school over the summer, the only problem is finding the money to use the LIRR ta few times a week. I hope I can find a well paying summer job
m180322 10 months ago
again, all I am saying is that it is appropriate to be upfront and acknowledge your lineage in Muay Thai. Kru Phil appearing on TV is not in any way contrary to this. I don't get your point. It should never be a secret who a man trained under. And Kru Nestor trained under Kru Phil, meaning he is NOT an original Muay Thai instructor of New York. Period. This is as simple as 2+2. What he said isn't accurate. It doesn't make him a bad trainer. Your sideways arguments don't change this fact
sogetsu72 11 months ago
@sogetsu72
Maybe you should take this up with Nestor and quit complaining online.
KahL1One 11 months ago
@KahL1One I'm neither bitching nor complaining. And nor did I ever imply that Kru Nestor or any of his associates were not respectable people. You are way off base. I don't want anything from him or you much less any worshipping or kowtowing. All I did was simply correct a historical inaccuracy in my comment. And I don't need to take up anything with Nestor because he knows what I'm saying is true. I'm also not going to go notify him in person that the sky is blue and water is wet.
sogetsu72 11 months ago
This is a generational problem I think- it has become all about "look at me" and "this is who I've trained and what I've done" and the whole "this is where I come from" and "these are my roots" has been lost. Fame is king. Heritage is lost. I don't come from this. I come from Muay Thai: respect your heritage, and always pay honor to your teacher. Respect is #1.
sogetsu72 11 months ago
@sogetsu72
Again, by your complaints, are you claiming that Nestor is a garbage instructor?
Because if so, and if Nurse wasn't the point of the episode, why is this a subject?
Lastly, Nestor is probably one of THE most underrated instructors in the city. Nurse is on TV everytime anything regarding GSP or the UFC in the East Coast is concerned. Now count how many times Nestor has ever been in the public spotlight other than a single docu from 10yrs ago.
Flawed argument.
KahL1One 11 months ago
@KahL1One Ok my argument is flawed? You haven't responded to anything I've said about the importance of lineage due to the high number of unqualified instructors. You haven't responded to what I've said about the martial lifestyle being more important than a few years of active competition, and you keep insinuating that I think Nestor is "garbage" even after I've plainly stated that I think he is an excellent trainer. But my argument is flawed. Ok.
sogetsu72 11 months ago
@sogetsu72
The first episode is about Nestor and Ultimate Gym. There aren't any unqualified instructors here. So you have no point.
The lineage point holds no bearing on what's happening with this. So again, no point.
The martial lifestyle is according to each individual's personality. Just because you hold people to higher standard if they follow some code of Budo doesn't mean that's what it IS.
KahL1One 11 months ago
@sogetsu72
Each person I've worked with regarding this has been respectful in every way. So again, what is your point?
Do you just want an entire video of Nestor kowtowing to Nurse? Will that satisfy you? Because at this point, you appear to be bitching just for the sake of bitching and not much else.
Nurse gets enough publicity as it is. He doesn't need anymore from Nestor who, by all accounts, receives very little if any.
KahL1One 11 months ago
and the problem at hand is this: any instructor who is more apt to show you the famous people he has trained but does not proudly display the picture of himself with his instructor, he is not honoring the martial way or properly respecting Muay Thai. You tell me- you see pics of Nestor with various fighters. When you walk into Ultimate Gym do you see a picture with him and Kru Phil?
sogetsu72 11 months ago
It does matter. Half the reason that I see novice practitioners coming from garbage schools is that instructors have invented themselves by obtaining online certifications and bogus credentials. By being able to trace an instructors lineage, you, as a new student, have a way to verify that instructor's legitimacy. And I won't describe why paying homage to your roots is important on its own value if you can't understand that by yourself.
sogetsu72 11 months ago
@sogetsu72
So are you saying that Nestor is a garbage instructor?
Just from dealing with him, Marco Ruas and Pequeno Nogueira, I'm willing to bet that they would disagree if so.
KahL1One 11 months ago
Kahl I think you are a fantastic cinematographer. However, you are about as equipped to argue with me about martial arts history in the northeast as I am to tell you which particular film grade or lens to use. I'm not trying to create a platform for discussion and interrupt commentary on your video. I simply heard something that needed clarification and clarified it. Good luck in the future.
sogetsu72 11 months ago
that when students fall out with their instructors or start their own gyms they often try to erase their past or deny their heritage. You are supposed to honor your instructor. Kru Nestor should always pay homage to Phil as his instructor, as every other student does to their respective instructor. That is the way of martial arts and Muay Thai is included.
sogetsu72 11 months ago
@sogetsu72
As far as the politics are concerned, we more to worry about. Bickering and in-fighting at a time when we need the sport to be legalized holds much more weight than who should pay homage to who on the science of fighting.
The purpose for NY MMA as a series is to educate those who don't understand the sport and its culture. And even more, presenting it in a clear and unbiased light.
I understand where you're coming from. But in the grand scheme of things, it's just not that important.
KahL1One 11 months ago
@KahL1One I disagree. Maybe from a business model you have legal concerns based around dollars. My primary concern is the integrity of my art, Muay Thai, which predates your "grand scheme" of sport legalization by literally THOUSANDS of years. I hope for Muay Thai to exist long after UFC, Strikeforce and whatever else is the trend of the day. For that to happen, proper respect is a huge concern. I would pause before making a judgment on what exactly is "important".
sogetsu72 11 months ago
@sogetsu72
Alright, let me entertain this for a moment.
I come from a Kung Fu background and like most traditional MA backgrounds, there is a ton of bickering and infighting when it comes to lineage of any sort.
Now in the bigger picture, at the end of the day- what does it ever solve or help. Other than the personal egos of specific instructors?
KahL1One 11 months ago
@sogetsu72
It doesn’t educate anyone on a higher level, it doesn’t help the practitioner become better at his/her art form and it certainly won’t benefit anyone in the long run beyond a few plaques, and stamps.
There isn’t any monetary gain with this series as it is. Its purpose is its purpose as I described.
KahL1One 11 months ago
@sogetsu72 Your problems with whether Nestor acknowledges Nurse when the episode isn’t even about the WAT doesn’t make much sense. Again, in the scheme of helping out all of the gyms gain exposure for the betterment of the sport, infighting is pointless.
MMA is everywhere in this city now for young and upcoming students and athletes. Its legalization further helps them fight on a local level with ammy and pro circuits.
KahL1One 11 months ago
@sogetsu72 It’s not about the popularity of the UFC and never was.
Again, you’re assuming because of whatever gripe you have with Nestor.
It doesn’t help anyone.
KahL1One 11 months ago
@KahL1One Further, I don't have any "gripe" with Nestor. That is your assumption. I think he is an excellent instructor. The fact that I think he should acknowledge his heritage has no bearing on that. Further, legalizing MMA doesn't necessarily mean better opportunity. Again, it means more dollars bc of schools opening. Part of the PROBLEM with martial arts today is the OVER-FOCUS on sport fighting, which you may be a part of if you think that legalization is the way to give people
sogetsu72 11 months ago
@sogetsu72
So you're complaining about "sport fighting", yet your supporting points are with Nurse, who is a Muay Thai instructor. A SPORT FIGHTING martial art by its origins from Thailand.
Call me confused but, that doesn't make any sense at all.
Would you have any other suggestions to help alleviate the sport fighting focus? Considering that competing is the main manner of testing a person's skills.
I'm actually confused on what your point actually is now.
KahL1One 11 months ago
@KahL1One My point is that when we stop acknowledging our heritage and the importance of our lineage, it opens the door for a lot of false credentials and opportunity. people who are not qualified to be instructors take advantage of those who would like to learn. Muay Thai evolved from WAR, not sport. That was a progression. Competing is NOT the main manner of testing one's skills, living a life of honor and respect is. Competing is a small window of one's life. Maybe 5-10 years.
sogetsu72 11 months ago
@sogetsu72
Oh God....Muay Thai stopped being about war hundreds upon hundreds of years ago. It's a sport martial art now, much like Judo and other arts that have ceased sitting on the "war" crutch as if it holds any water in this day and age. Muay Thai has more in common with sports gambling now than it ever did about war these days. Just ask the kids who grow up training within it so they can survive their upbringing within the country. Much like boxing in Mexico.
KahL1One 11 months ago
@KahL1One opportunity. That's not everyone's answer just yours. Maybe people could benefit from simply learning the arts and not feeling pressure to jump into the ring or cage. It survived all these years I think the arts will be ok whether or not NY blesses the sport side. People who wish to learn will seek out training. And they don't necessarily need to be fighters or aspiring fighters.
sogetsu72 11 months ago
@sogetsu72
So because the IDEA of training w/o competing seems nice to you, it should eliminate the opportunity for local athletes to compete in MMA on their own home turf?
Are you even aware what these fighters have to go through to travel everywhere else just to have an opportunity to compete? Or the amount they need to sacrifice monetarily only to end up in a smoker somewhere in West Virginia?
Not everyone who trains, competes. But, taking the opportunity away is even more ignorant.
KahL1One 11 months ago
@KahL1One no one said the opportunity for competition should be taken away. I am fully aware of what goes on and the travel involved. I have trained and traveled with both MMA and Muay Thai fighters in the northeast. And most fighters will agree, there is too much emphasis in martial arts right now on sport fighting. It is not the be-all, end-all of what martial arts is about. It is a lifestyle, not just a means to compete. What you do after your fighting years is just as significant.
sogetsu72 11 months ago
cool video. I think it would be more accurate to call this a documentary on Ultimate Gym or Kru Nestor rather than New York MMA. For the MMA side, there are many instructors and fighters who would need to be included to make it respectably complete. I also don't like that Nestor portrays himself as an "original Muay Thai instructor in New York". Kru Nestor was doing kickboxing in shiny pants and didn't know what Muay Thai was until he met Kru Phil Nurse of the WAT. That is a FACT.
sogetsu72 11 months ago
@sogetsu72
I'm assuming you're from the WAT yourself.
Rather than claiming this is a docu solely on Nestor, you should check out Episode 2- being on another gym as well and upcoming Episode 3 concentrating on another. NY MMA as a series isn't about one gym, like you're assuming. Hence "Chapter 1".
As far as Nurse and Nestor, maybe you should take that up w/ Nestor in person. Not on a keyboard.
KahL1One 11 months ago
@KahL1One: noted! I will definitely check out the rest of the series. Sorry if my comment is premature. Again I think the video is great quality. Regarding Nestor, no I am not from the WAT. However, I have trained at the WAT and Gleasons and Church Street and many of New York's Muay Thai and boxing gyms. I know its history as well. This isn't something I would hesistate to say to Nestor I've seen him at many fight venues. This is a problem with martial arts in general,
sogetsu72 11 months ago
Life is, more than anything else, a spiritual struggle. For me personally Martial Arts had a big impact on my life and became a part of my soul. A part that will always be there even now that I no longer formally take martial arts classes. Martial Arts does not stop at the dojo. It continues on for the rest of your life. The lifestyle of a martial artist is one filled with self-confidence and respect for others. It was never a sport for me.
milan1009 1 year ago 5
Oozing NYC.
romperwomb 1 year ago
Great video! Love the cinematography!
willXbarrett 1 year ago
your videos are amazing bruh
cant wait for the next ones
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It'd be great to see you create some on jose aldo if you got a chance!
jessejamesatl 1 year ago 2
Great Video, Great Editing and Big Thanks for sharing and taking the time to do it
kulomanulo 1 year ago
Wow, that was great. Looking forward to the next one.
gpvids 1 year ago
Excellent work! Your camera work and cinematography is always beautiful. Surprise surprise... I'm in the works of making an MMA doc' also haha. Love your editing style too... the flow of it really matches the music well. Just absolutely loved it man. Well done and can't wait to see the rest.
cynthiavance 1 year ago
nice vid man!!
NobleBone187 1 year ago