Haha i know what Karl means, its just the way he words it is so funny. Some times I feel bad for him because he gets ripped for being so dumb... poor guy... but very entertaining. lol
@dezzre I couldn't open the page, though I imagine that you are referring to property dualism, no? If so, it's more of a philosophical hypothesis than an actually fact. It concerns the nature of consciousness as opposed to the physical properties of the brain.
Well it's pretty much a fact that there is no such thing as free will right? The brain controls you, and the rest of the body controls the brain which in turn is controled by outside forces. I agree tho, Karl often ask clever questions.
@Apanzon It ultimately comes down to a question of determinism. If every event adheres to cause and effect and the passage of time is linear, then it is safe to say that free will does not exist.
But we know that elementary particles behave in very strange way that seem to defy our conventional understanding of physics. This could have mind-bending implications in regard to free will, the passage of time, nature of physical space, and even the nature of what we consider intrinsically real.
"you are your brain"? No way - what about all the other bits? And what about the MIND? Because that is NOT the brian. Further, the self, or ego, (my identity) is distinct from the mind, since there are things in my mind which I disavow or repress. Besides, I cannot be identical with my mind, since my legs are parts of me, but not parts of my mind. Gervais, at about 2:49, IDENTIFIES mind and brain, but this is an elementary mistake: the brain is a lump of stuff in space, the mind aint.
@bafmd he references Descartes' "Observer" argument. Ricky often has the "parrot" thing going on, where he states things as being true nobody REALLY knows ....other times it's like "I slipped on the ice, why?", Ricky "Cause the ice is slippery". That's not the right answer. Your body's weights puts pressure on the top layer of the ice, which transforms it into a layer of water instantly; this is the slippery substance - water on ice, not the ICE itself. Karl often asks pretty CLEVER questions
There s a lot of fairly presumptive statements on the nature of consciousness here. While i hardly disagree with a lot of what Gervais says, its interesting to note that Karls theories and question actually sit comfortably at the heart of the consciousness debates that continue to rage.
He makes a good point though. Happens to me all the time. I'll be thinking of one thing then the next minute something totally different. I won't know where it came from. I didn't consciously want it there, it just came to me. I'm having a hard time explaining it like he is. :)
There's always two "you's". There is You, and then there's your Brain. your Brain is not you. it's about (sub)consciousness. They tend to fight sometimes. For example, trying to remember that actors name. Scumbag brain.
@gredangeo yup, there's the layer analogy (like, you do not consciously think about holding a pen while writing or people looking at the keyboard while typing, but "someone" thinks about it). There's the Corpus Callosum, connecting both your brain halfs. Some people were born without it or it was cut.....and the patient develops schizophrenia and has two personalities at the same time. So yeah, you are basically two people ALL THE TIME, you are just not aware, cause one of them always wins.
What I love is that Ricky and Steve often do get what Karl is trying to say but they keep playing devils advocate to tease out even more gems of insanity. And Karl is an endless mine of that!
@markwilliamlewis hahaha I never put that together, he totally does sound like Ricky when he's trying to explain to Bubbles how his brain is always talking to itself
@Kaizerworks It's not an inability to comprehend thought, he is thinking about conscious and unconscious thought. Sometimes unconscious thought feels like you aren't in control it. Your stupidity is actually pretty annoying.
one of the videos in the related/featured box at the end of the video, is a lecture by sisyphusredeemed. i recommend his channel for discussion of these topics in depth
you have your concious mind and your subconcious. Concious is present, free-ish, and your subconcious is what Everything is filtered through. Your subconcious probabley reminded youof the onion
This show is one of comedy. I like to assume that Ricky and Stephen genuinely know that their friend Karl isn't actually an idiot - just like most of us know he's not an idiot. They're making fun of him because it's FUNNY, not because they truly think he's a moron.
It's a little less funny when after I think what Karl's brain really told him is "it would be funny to talk naively as if I didn't know what a brain does"
For all we know, Karl could secretly be a comic genius.
And, tbh, if Ricky has a degree in philosophy and is really as intelligent as he 'jokes' about being, then he MUST know about dualism as it's pretty basic stuff! He's just making Karl look stupid by exploiting his bad expression of ideas for comedy. Which, I guess is what the show's all about. So it's not necessarily a bad thing. I just feel sorry for Karl :(
@fvjnfdsjvae Dualism, as you said, is pretty basic stuff. The comedy arises from Karl's choice of wording more than anything. It's like he really does believe he and his "brain" are two seperate things. The word "subconscious" would have done.
It's just banter at the end of the day, they will take the piss for anything.
@fvjnfdsjvae Actually Karl's misunderstanding is still a misunderstanding even in dualism. Who is in control you or your brain is still a pretty big mistake to say. If my mind is me and it is only experiencing through the medium of my brain, as dualism suggests, then my brain is in no more control than say my car is in control when I am driving it.
@nospacesallowed Karl can't be misunderstanding dualism if he hasn't even heard of it before! He's philosophising and thinking of his own theories. Also, dualism states that the soul and the physical body are separate things, with many dualists believing that they have no interaction with each other (see my first comment). And the brain can be in control, or at least influence decisions, in the same way a car can limit your driving choices by its maximum speed and the possibility of malfunction
@fvjnfdsjvae So why is it on Ricky to expound on a principle that Karl did not express and Ricky does not agree with. I am not sure what your complaint is. If Karl says why is it that the Government can use the force, Does Ricky need to explain the different theories of governments, or is it just that he should make fun of him saying the force and then explain Ricky's thoughts.
The issue is the word control indicates an entity acting on its own, a consciousness that makes choices.
Aw, I hate how they just reject his points because they think of him as an 'idiot' without considering them properly... "Dualism is an ancient concept and deeply rooted in Greek thought. The Greeks held that a man's soul was of an entirely different essence than his body. Furthermore, they held that these dual entities had no interaction with one another. Indeed, the Greeks saw them as alien to one another, the body being the prison house of the soul. " He's really not as stupid as they make out
"It's not like there's you, then there's a brain, then there's an extra one looking down at it y'know the meta-brain looking down from above it." HA HA HA
Karl does say some hilariously silly things, but this wasn't the first time I thought the other two just laugh off whatever Karl says without listening. Ricky's idea that the brain just controls everything isn't the default viewpoint in biology anymore either. The body being composed of systems that act in coordination and opposition is an alternative, perfectly valid way to look at humans.
@Impulse725 Im pretty sure they touch on this aswell in a separate show where they talk about the operation where someone got their brain "cut" in half and the left side (brain) controls the right side(body) and vice versa, So Im guessing its just to aggravate Karl. On a personal note multiple specialist systems working in coordination sounds a lot better (though my opinion means nothing) than a materialist cartesian theatre (cartesian theatre is just lazy thinking.)
The thing is... there's definitely the case for a debate on the conscience and the sub-conscience and the brain's control over the conscience and stuff like that but... Karl doesn't understand it like that. He's probably just thinking of the numbskulls, with a little him and a brain that reminds him of stuff. Lest we forget, this is the same man who put sausages in a toaster to warm them up.
He touches on both behaviourism and determinism. He's actually a very deep and thoughtful person. In ancient Greece he would be considered a philosopher.
There's nothing profound about the observation, but then there's nothing intellectual about dismissing it offhand as a stupid, idle thought. Gervais is practically right (as in, in terms of practicality) but scientifically, and philosophically, well, no one reading these comments really knows.
@tetryst I'm not saying that he's completely right, but take a look at Sam Harris' comments on free will on his 'Ask Me Anything #2' video. It's a genuinely difficult idea to come to terms with.
I never thought so. I am my brain. Further, I am the physical processes that make up my brain and body. I'm not slaved to these things, I am these things. Deterministic universe or not, my will is not slaved to anything I wouldn't call "me".
@Fordi Fair comment. However, I would argue that freedom involves choice, at some level. So if our consciousness is merely being informed of the result of a decision, not actively taking part in it, I would lobby that the above doesn't qualify as freedom. But I don't know enough about the brain to form a conclusive opinion. I am not a neuroscientist. ;)
I love Ricky but he really is an intellectual snob. He's the kinda guy that would have taken the piss for saying the earth was a sphere a few hundred years ago.
@DTX85 I agree there and he probably would also, Ricky- Dismisses anything that is a bit out of the ordinary like ect paranormal.. Karl- Deep thinker, sometimes has a valid point sometimes comes out with rubbish, Steve- Suck up to ricky, often takes his side against karl and everything ricky says steve will agree with, But anything karl says he will disagree with
@ubernaffa It's hilarious. Completely inadvertently. I know that there has been work done that demonstrates that our brains are controlled by chemistry and free will does not exist. Philosophically it's a difficult concept - easy to grasp, but difficult to believe.
But the question is if the conscious mind and the whatever that actually decides are indeed both parts of us. I would think that we are truly our brains, and our conscious mind is a manifestation of that. So technically we have free will, and make decisions and stuff, but the part of your mind you can easily comprehend doesn't know about it until after the decision has been made. Just IMO
Whenever I see one of these videos pop up, it always seems like Pilkinton's the smart one, but cursed with an inability to explain himself...the concepts flying miles over the heads of Gervais/Merchant.
I'm reminded of an experiment where it turned out that the left and right hemisphere's of a brain could hold two opposing beliefs (religiously, politically etc.) Obviously we are our minds, but we aren't conscious of the vast majority of the stuff that goes on inside our brains.
My amazing new hoddie has karl pilkington's beautiful face on it then "So am I in charge of my brain or is my brain in charge of me?". It's so loveable <3
Karl is onto something there. Gervais and Merchant are so used to him saying illogical things that they totally miss it when an interesting question pops out concearning the ego and the id. And yes, comedy podcast. So no, I don't expect anything else.
@ashpewl Not sure how it is linked to memory, as the ego acts to realistically fulfill the ids basic pleasures. I just don't see where the "question concerning the ego and the id" is within this video. It seems more to do with short-term memory.
" you are your brain. If you are anything you are your mind, your brain your collection of memories your personality, your not what you look like" if more people knew this the world would be a more productive place. thanks ricky
karl actually has a point here. while it is true that all of our thoughts/emotions etc. are a product of the brain, there wouldn't be any input to process if it weren't for the rest of the body... so in a way, you have to consider the entire nervous system as in "control".
anyone notice how close this is to Still Ill by The Smiths "Does the body rule the mind or does the mind rule the body, i don't know" Ricky is a huge Smiths fan too haha :P bet he wouldn't take the piss out of Morrissey for it :P
Okay, I do understand that this is created for the purposes of comedy. And that it's to that end all efforts are directed. But it's reductionist pricks like gervais that make intelligent and sincere conversation so hard to come by. There's always got to be one person that feels the urge to give a simple answer and say "and that's all it is", to complex issues. And gets louder or just repeats themselves whenever any vaguely dissenting view is presented. But again, comedy show.
@existenceisrelative So true. Whenever i try and have an interesting conversation with people about the complexities of the universe there's always one intellectually arrogant, cynical bastard that has to simplify everything.
youre not your brain. YOU experience feelings via the brain.
take a functioning body and brain with no consciousness, thats a machine. it doesnt care, pleasure, pain, arent felt. theres only physiological responses to any stimulus. nobody there to say ouch or yum yum.
the part that likes or dislikes is more than a computer program. eat a nom nom or slap yer head of a wall for proof and that innit. theres a 'me' at that time - permanent or not. I think.
@HLecterPHD "take a functioning body and brain with no consciousness, thats a machine." It's exactly the same with consciousness. In the end, all we are are electrical signals taking input from the environment and calculating that information to form a physical reaction or thought.
If you think about it, we're not even truly conscious, we're just a really complicated machine taking something in and putting something out.
@sttate hmm yeah but where do the electrical signals go. and if we're just matter does that mean matter is conscious and cares and experiences. did the consciousness come from matter or is it an intrinsic part of matter. did matter possibly even come after consciousness.
@HLecterPHD They go to and from your brain to and from receptors (if this is the right term) all over your body.
"and if we're just matter does that mean matter is conscious and cares and experiences." As far as we are concerned we do care and experience, but that's at the human level, our normal way of thinking.
Ask yourself, "Is a clock conscious?". As in the end that is all we are, biological clockwork. Just because we're far more complex doesn't mean there's a soul all of a sudden.
Machinery cannot appreciate. The various signals go to and from your body, the brain is just another organ passing those signals.
Machinery can measure the content of a cake and class it as x or y. The machine will never experience taste. A machine wont be offended or flattered. Experiences exist, if matter really is ALL then experience has to be material and as real as anything.
Karls Q very intelligent, brain mind question is a whole branch of philos and medicine and religion(s).
Karl achieved enlightenment
brod2man 1 day ago
He has a point. I mean, if we didn't have a brain, we wouldn't be able to do anything, so the brain is feeding us information so that we can.
rlcgreen13 2 days ago
Kony 2012! look it up. Also, Karl ... are you mental?
michaelgarybell2010 3 days ago
Haha i know what Karl means, its just the way he words it is so funny. Some times I feel bad for him because he gets ripped for being so dumb... poor guy... but very entertaining. lol
isthiswhereitype1 4 days ago
He raises a vital question and then farts the definition down his leg.
lemonsawdust 4 days ago
referencing the smiths
scottbaioisdead 5 days ago
Scumbag brain
SpadezOfAce 1 week ago
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It's like when someone says "wow you remember that far back "(30 yrs or so)you almost begin to believe it's clever or something,but its just memory.
Joebunkyss1 2 weeks ago
i searched for tortoise on a skatebaord after this
quayle99 2 weeks ago
hahaha 2:01 really struggling
quayle99 2 weeks ago
I, for one, welcome our new onion overlord.
whosaidwhatwhen 2 weeks ago 2
@whosaidwhatwhen As do I!!
mattforrester1973 2 weeks ago
an article about his dilemma, we do have 2 minds!
citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/download?doi=10.1.1.180.292&rep=rep1&type=pdf
dezzre 2 weeks ago
@dezzre I couldn't open the page, though I imagine that you are referring to property dualism, no? If so, it's more of a philosophical hypothesis than an actually fact. It concerns the nature of consciousness as opposed to the physical properties of the brain.
gamegloss 2 weeks ago
Well it's pretty much a fact that there is no such thing as free will right? The brain controls you, and the rest of the body controls the brain which in turn is controled by outside forces. I agree tho, Karl often ask clever questions.
Apanzon 3 weeks ago
@Apanzon Where did you get a silly idea like that?
DimentalLabs 2 weeks ago
@DimentalLabs What is so silly about it? Read gamegloss's response, and then check up on determinism.
Apanzon 2 weeks ago
@Apanzon It ultimately comes down to a question of determinism. If every event adheres to cause and effect and the passage of time is linear, then it is safe to say that free will does not exist.
But we know that elementary particles behave in very strange way that seem to defy our conventional understanding of physics. This could have mind-bending implications in regard to free will, the passage of time, nature of physical space, and even the nature of what we consider intrinsically real.
gamegloss 2 weeks ago
I think he is right aha
xSunter 3 weeks ago
"you are your brain"? No way - what about all the other bits? And what about the MIND? Because that is NOT the brian. Further, the self, or ego, (my identity) is distinct from the mind, since there are things in my mind which I disavow or repress. Besides, I cannot be identical with my mind, since my legs are parts of me, but not parts of my mind. Gervais, at about 2:49, IDENTIFIES mind and brain, but this is an elementary mistake: the brain is a lump of stuff in space, the mind aint.
stilicho2 3 weeks ago
"do i control my brain or does my brain control me?" = MIND BLOWN
MORGAN1992FREEM4N 3 weeks ago
We are all the onion. Best sermon i've ever heard.
3rdEyeSpeaks 3 weeks ago
Actually Karl is closer to the truth than most of us realize.
bafmd 3 weeks ago
@bafmd he references Descartes' "Observer" argument. Ricky often has the "parrot" thing going on, where he states things as being true nobody REALLY knows ....other times it's like "I slipped on the ice, why?", Ricky "Cause the ice is slippery". That's not the right answer. Your body's weights puts pressure on the top layer of the ice, which transforms it into a layer of water instantly; this is the slippery substance - water on ice, not the ICE itself. Karl often asks pretty CLEVER questions
HuntingGoodWill 3 weeks ago
There s a lot of fairly presumptive statements on the nature of consciousness here. While i hardly disagree with a lot of what Gervais says, its interesting to note that Karls theories and question actually sit comfortably at the heart of the consciousness debates that continue to rage.
queenamongmen 3 weeks ago
He makes a good point though. Happens to me all the time. I'll be thinking of one thing then the next minute something totally different. I won't know where it came from. I didn't consciously want it there, it just came to me. I'm having a hard time explaining it like he is. :)
There's always two "you's". There is You, and then there's your Brain. your Brain is not you. it's about (sub)consciousness. They tend to fight sometimes. For example, trying to remember that actors name. Scumbag brain.
gredangeo 3 weeks ago
@gredangeo yup, there's the layer analogy (like, you do not consciously think about holding a pen while writing or people looking at the keyboard while typing, but "someone" thinks about it). There's the Corpus Callosum, connecting both your brain halfs. Some people were born without it or it was cut.....and the patient develops schizophrenia and has two personalities at the same time. So yeah, you are basically two people ALL THE TIME, you are just not aware, cause one of them always wins.
HuntingGoodWill 3 weeks ago
What I love is that Ricky and Steve often do get what Karl is trying to say but they keep playing devils advocate to tease out even more gems of insanity. And Karl is an endless mine of that!
TimLake 3 weeks ago
Bullies.
annoianoid 3 weeks ago
And here I am thinking this video is about the people who covered a report on the Macbook Wheel.
nisbahmumtaz909 3 weeks ago
He is just referencing consciousness and subconscious but he can't describe it.
garrett707 1 month ago 50
@garrett707 exactly
THiS3EEGROWS 4 weeks ago
@garrett707 yeah but that would be boring if ricky just said that, they know.
sharpezor 3 weeks ago
@garrett707 or a soul
linkforever92 5 days ago
Spirit.
smartbrick 1 month ago
I thought about this ages before I heard Karl, it must be some other way of thinking or something.
Thisismytrollingface 1 month ago
Mr pilkington can make me smile at any time.. Legend
jowotjo1 1 month ago
everyone should have a friend like karl, hours of great conversations
3styler1 1 month ago
This whole observation reminds me of Ricky from trailer park boys
markwilliamlewis 1 month ago
@markwilliamlewis hahaha I never put that together, he totally does sound like Ricky when he's trying to explain to Bubbles how his brain is always talking to itself
zirkus88 1 month ago
i hope steve and ricky are just trying to be funny, because there is a lot of truth in what karl was saying
unstable0 1 month ago
@unstable0 Of course they are, it's called comedy
hampusheh 1 month ago
From now on, I will end all stories about me with "When suddenly...ONION."
holyhandgrenade999 1 month ago 5
i think carl was thinking as in terms of philosophy not having 2 brains in your head
heat15sw 1 month ago
I'm sorry, but I really find Karl's inability to comprehend how thought works really annoying.
Kaizerworks 1 month ago
@Kaizerworks It's not an inability to comprehend thought, he is thinking about conscious and unconscious thought. Sometimes unconscious thought feels like you aren't in control it. Your stupidity is actually pretty annoying.
tidalwavedave305 1 month ago 2
@tidalwavedave305 *thumbs up*
moffboffjoe 1 month ago
one of the videos in the related/featured box at the end of the video, is a lecture by sisyphusredeemed. i recommend his channel for discussion of these topics in depth
Neeboopsh 1 month ago
Karl could be a philosopher
thatkindofguy234 1 month ago
im high as fuck, and his bullshit makes sense
IareBeats 1 month ago
The Smiths - 'Does the body rule the mind or does the mind rule the body?... I don't know'
BantheDan 1 month ago
Suddenly.... ONION.
JimmyHill6789 1 month ago 43
Karl Pilkington, The Onion, And The Problem of Free Will - the long anticipated sequal to The Lion, The Witch And The Wardrobe.
blainyrules 2 months ago 3
Even morissey said it, does the body rule the mind or does the mind rule the body.
TheSloppyTurds 2 months ago
"Who's in charge?"
joewoodson94u 2 months ago
Karl is closer to the truth than Ricky .....ID,ego & Super ego ;)
dilwich123 2 months ago
you have your concious mind and your subconcious. Concious is present, free-ish, and your subconcious is what Everything is filtered through. Your subconcious probabley reminded youof the onion
uklondon10 2 months ago
When suddenly, onion!
shockraid1 2 months ago
Karl has got a point
0tedaCecapS 2 months ago 4
ONION! "angel choir"
PlayStationFan98 2 months ago
and that's why when you die, nothing happens!
CambridgeHeights 2 months ago 2
This show is one of comedy. I like to assume that Ricky and Stephen genuinely know that their friend Karl isn't actually an idiot - just like most of us know he's not an idiot. They're making fun of him because it's FUNNY, not because they truly think he's a moron.
lovesmusik1 2 months ago 3
I'm surprised ricky is dissing this idea given that he has a degree in philosophy. This is one of the biggest questions in renaissance philosophy.
hendrixexperiencedig 2 months ago
It's a little less funny when after I think what Karl's brain really told him is "it would be funny to talk naively as if I didn't know what a brain does"
For all we know, Karl could secretly be a comic genius.
CafeAlpha 2 months ago
If you believe in a soul this might make sense, otherwise it's just another load of rubbish
Hjerrick 2 months ago
Karl's right, and he's a genius
jeppe2299 2 months ago
As soon as he said "I was thinking the other day" i knew this was gnna b guud
aintgottymforthis 2 months ago
The part that got me was when he said "there's not like, two brains, the thinking brain then another "meta" brain"
and I thought to myself, "Isn't that EXACTLY what a lot of theories say, more or less?"
neobahamut0 3 months ago
3 peoples brains told em to dislike this
mrevilmarsbar 3 months ago
And, tbh, if Ricky has a degree in philosophy and is really as intelligent as he 'jokes' about being, then he MUST know about dualism as it's pretty basic stuff! He's just making Karl look stupid by exploiting his bad expression of ideas for comedy. Which, I guess is what the show's all about. So it's not necessarily a bad thing. I just feel sorry for Karl :(
fvjnfdsjvae 3 months ago
@fvjnfdsjvae Dualism, as you said, is pretty basic stuff. The comedy arises from Karl's choice of wording more than anything. It's like he really does believe he and his "brain" are two seperate things. The word "subconscious" would have done.
It's just banter at the end of the day, they will take the piss for anything.
ColostomyCake 3 months ago
@fvjnfdsjvae Actually Karl's misunderstanding is still a misunderstanding even in dualism. Who is in control you or your brain is still a pretty big mistake to say. If my mind is me and it is only experiencing through the medium of my brain, as dualism suggests, then my brain is in no more control than say my car is in control when I am driving it.
nospacesallowed 2 months ago
@nospacesallowed Karl can't be misunderstanding dualism if he hasn't even heard of it before! He's philosophising and thinking of his own theories. Also, dualism states that the soul and the physical body are separate things, with many dualists believing that they have no interaction with each other (see my first comment). And the brain can be in control, or at least influence decisions, in the same way a car can limit your driving choices by its maximum speed and the possibility of malfunction
fvjnfdsjvae 2 months ago
@fvjnfdsjvae So why is it on Ricky to expound on a principle that Karl did not express and Ricky does not agree with. I am not sure what your complaint is. If Karl says why is it that the Government can use the force, Does Ricky need to explain the different theories of governments, or is it just that he should make fun of him saying the force and then explain Ricky's thoughts.
The issue is the word control indicates an entity acting on its own, a consciousness that makes choices.
nospacesallowed 2 months ago
Aw, I hate how they just reject his points because they think of him as an 'idiot' without considering them properly... "Dualism is an ancient concept and deeply rooted in Greek thought. The Greeks held that a man's soul was of an entirely different essence than his body. Furthermore, they held that these dual entities had no interaction with one another. Indeed, the Greeks saw them as alien to one another, the body being the prison house of the soul. " He's really not as stupid as they make out
fvjnfdsjvae 3 months ago
its so annoying when your onion lobe kicks in
msLottieG97 3 months ago
There, Cartesian Dualism.
dontyourememberme 3 months ago
"It's not like there's you, then there's a brain, then there's an extra one looking down at it y'know the meta-brain looking down from above it." HA HA HA
xeokym 3 months ago
Karl is right, Ricky is wrong, there is a part of our brain which isnt "controlled by us" it actually control body heat, heart beat, hormons etc.
quezcatol 3 months ago
"Tortoise on a Skateboard" could be a rock band
berkev8795 3 months ago
Does the body rule the mind or does the mind rule the body? I dunno...
ltsaint911 3 months ago 2
Confucius say - 'No sushi, belly hungry.'........
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carpy0141 3 months ago
and now whenever i see a onion i remember ricky saying "onion"
MrWhipification 3 months ago
Comedy at its finest.
LillyLee93 3 months ago
madness
mutley2209 3 months ago
If you think this is profound you are a fucking idiot.
qwertyuiopdan1 3 months ago
to be fair this is actually a really valid philosophical point by karl. shows he's actually really clever.
zerr0ww 3 months ago
Karl does say some hilariously silly things, but this wasn't the first time I thought the other two just laugh off whatever Karl says without listening. Ricky's idea that the brain just controls everything isn't the default viewpoint in biology anymore either. The body being composed of systems that act in coordination and opposition is an alternative, perfectly valid way to look at humans.
Impulse725 3 months ago
@Impulse725 Im pretty sure they touch on this aswell in a separate show where they talk about the operation where someone got their brain "cut" in half and the left side (brain) controls the right side(body) and vice versa, So Im guessing its just to aggravate Karl. On a personal note multiple specialist systems working in coordination sounds a lot better (though my opinion means nothing) than a materialist cartesian theatre (cartesian theatre is just lazy thinking.)
ronocko 3 months ago
what is that at 0:00 ??
TheDeadmau55555 4 months ago
i... kind of agree in a way...
00Manga0Lover00 4 months ago
the sense of self alludes karl for years to come
kharnifex 4 months ago
The thing is... there's definitely the case for a debate on the conscience and the sub-conscience and the brain's control over the conscience and stuff like that but... Karl doesn't understand it like that. He's probably just thinking of the numbskulls, with a little him and a brain that reminds him of stuff. Lest we forget, this is the same man who put sausages in a toaster to warm them up.
JensonsBeard 4 months ago
"Pilkington actually makes a pretty profound observation here"
Not really, but you don't seem to be the person to judge after this gem - "that illustrates the problem of free will"
Well now, does it? No.
seansalvador1 4 months ago
He touches on both behaviourism and determinism. He's actually a very deep and thoughtful person. In ancient Greece he would be considered a philosopher.
jeffreykins 4 months ago
@jeffreykins Well, In ancient Greece, THIS . IS . SPARTA.
Steviebav 4 months ago
I agree with Karl.
joedoschMSU 4 months ago
I was thinking of a tortoise on a skateboard this whole time
benbowens13 4 months ago 32
Just got a shirt with the brain quote on it!
Claverleykid1 4 months ago
There's nothing profound about the observation, but then there's nothing intellectual about dismissing it offhand as a stupid, idle thought. Gervais is practically right (as in, in terms of practicality) but scientifically, and philosophically, well, no one reading these comments really knows.
tetryst 4 months ago
@tetryst I'm not saying that he's completely right, but take a look at Sam Harris' comments on free will on his 'Ask Me Anything #2' video. It's a genuinely difficult idea to come to terms with.
ubernaffa 4 months ago
@ubernaffa
I never thought so. I am my brain. Further, I am the physical processes that make up my brain and body. I'm not slaved to these things, I am these things. Deterministic universe or not, my will is not slaved to anything I wouldn't call "me".
Fordi 4 months ago
@Fordi Fair comment. However, I would argue that freedom involves choice, at some level. So if our consciousness is merely being informed of the result of a decision, not actively taking part in it, I would lobby that the above doesn't qualify as freedom. But I don't know enough about the brain to form a conclusive opinion. I am not a neuroscientist. ;)
ubernaffa 4 months ago
/watch?v=oSAKlAu-CUw karl pilkintons rage on susan!!
MrWhipification 4 months ago
I get what he's talking about
killjo234 4 months ago
There are 2 sides to the brain one can override the other look it up
jamst123 4 months ago
OVEN.
almightyjass 4 months ago
It's funny- Gervais and Merchant are the ones who seem foolish here...
LeonhardEuler1 4 months ago
love it when ricky gets mad :L
WereYourBiggestFans 5 months ago
I love Ricky but he really is an intellectual snob. He's the kinda guy that would have taken the piss for saying the earth was a sphere a few hundred years ago.
DTX85 5 months ago
@DTX85 I agree there and he probably would also, Ricky- Dismisses anything that is a bit out of the ordinary like ect paranormal.. Karl- Deep thinker, sometimes has a valid point sometimes comes out with rubbish, Steve- Suck up to ricky, often takes his side against karl and everything ricky says steve will agree with, But anything karl says he will disagree with
xClaraJaynex 3 months ago
Ironically, he has given an example of one of the finest thought experiments that's used to demonstrate the genuine absence of free will.
ubernaffa 5 months ago 62
@ubernaffa Yes but he's got a head like fucking orange
SwordInAir 2 months ago
@ubernaffa It's hilarious. Completely inadvertently. I know that there has been work done that demonstrates that our brains are controlled by chemistry and free will does not exist. Philosophically it's a difficult concept - easy to grasp, but difficult to believe.
jjaus 1 month ago
@ubernaffa yes. It has been proven that our brains make decisions before our concious minds are aware of the decision. Brain controls us.
arseymcpherson 1 month ago
@arseymcpherson
But the question is if the conscious mind and the whatever that actually decides are indeed both parts of us. I would think that we are truly our brains, and our conscious mind is a manifestation of that. So technically we have free will, and make decisions and stuff, but the part of your mind you can easily comprehend doesn't know about it until after the decision has been made. Just IMO
irurwurst 1 month ago
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ubernaffa 5 months ago
Whenever I see one of these videos pop up, it always seems like Pilkinton's the smart one, but cursed with an inability to explain himself...the concepts flying miles over the heads of Gervais/Merchant.
I'm reminded of an experiment where it turned out that the left and right hemisphere's of a brain could hold two opposing beliefs (religiously, politically etc.) Obviously we are our minds, but we aren't conscious of the vast majority of the stuff that goes on inside our brains.
xVancha 5 months ago 3
the difference between self and character in combination with the unconscious.
the body ages, the character changes but the self remains the same.
Pilkington is brighter than you Gervais.
Photonzos 5 months ago
hairy chinese kid
TonyCowings1991 5 months ago
"You are your brain" is essentially the modern scientific paradigm known as monism.
InverseAgonist 5 months ago
My amazing new hoddie has karl pilkington's beautiful face on it then "So am I in charge of my brain or is my brain in charge of me?". It's so loveable <3
lighteningdinosaur 6 months ago
i know what he means... just sayin :/
ItsMyLife154 6 months ago
Karl is onto something there. Gervais and Merchant are so used to him saying illogical things that they totally miss it when an interesting question pops out concearning the ego and the id. And yes, comedy podcast. So no, I don't expect anything else.
ashpewl 6 months ago
@ashpewl Except the ego, super-ego, and id really have nothing to do with memory or forgetting an item on a grocery list.
Ramona0087 5 months ago
@Ramona0087 Not a shopping list no, but ego is intrinsically linked to memory.
ashpewl 5 months ago
@ashpewl Not sure how it is linked to memory, as the ego acts to realistically fulfill the ids basic pleasures. I just don't see where the "question concerning the ego and the id" is within this video. It seems more to do with short-term memory.
Ramona0087 5 months ago
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@ashpewl Except the ego, super-ego, and id really have nothing to do with memory or forgetting an item on a grocery list.
Ramona0087 5 months ago
why does karls brain look like testicles!
hulahoolaXx 6 months ago
..so i'm an onion?
egodeosum 6 months ago
Why didn't they draw a tortoise on a skateboard?!
DanielJGC 6 months ago
Ricky ruins these clips. STFU!
fuzztubeyou 6 months ago
@fuzztubeyou if it wasn't for Ricky Gervais you would never have heard of Karl Pilkington. YOU shut the fuck up.
gtrrs71 6 months ago
" you are your brain. If you are anything you are your mind, your brain your collection of memories your personality, your not what you look like" if more people knew this the world would be a more productive place. thanks ricky
soul2stake 6 months ago
they do just bully karl
MrMatthewLDavies 6 months ago
Karl would make an amazing troll.
LonelyAnarchist 6 months ago
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LonelyAnarchist 6 months ago
This show is entertaining and fascinating. XD
Tranceplant82 7 months ago
Karl comes off a lot more philosophical than Ricky and Steve here.
jerryhello100 7 months ago
@jerryhello100 How can ricky say so simply that there isn't a duality. He, a philosophy student in Uni.
jerryhello100 7 months ago
you were thinking of a tortoise on a skateboard lol
manwithouthat44 7 months ago
karl actually has a point here. while it is true that all of our thoughts/emotions etc. are a product of the brain, there wouldn't be any input to process if it weren't for the rest of the body... so in a way, you have to consider the entire nervous system as in "control".
aradioactivedonut 7 months ago
Karl switches writing hands. at 0:32, he's left-handed, but at 1:30, he writes 'onion' with his right hand
squirttg 7 months ago
You ARE the brain. And all the rest of "your" body. You and your body is the same thing. There is no distinction.
blenderpanzi 7 months ago
anyone notice how close this is to Still Ill by The Smiths "Does the body rule the mind or does the mind rule the body, i don't know" Ricky is a huge Smiths fan too haha :P bet he wouldn't take the piss out of Morrissey for it :P
MrDanielWalls 7 months ago
Karl si the funniest and most intelligent member of this group, these people don't know shit
keir193 7 months ago
@keir193 yea but did you write that or did your brain?
809Ollie 7 months ago
"Does the brain control you or are you controlling the brain? I don't know if I'm in charge of mine."
Tukan777 7 months ago
subconscious?
nivek2223 7 months ago
I used to think the brain was the most amazing, wonderful organ in my body.
Then I remembered who was telling me this...
ThePeaceableKingdom 7 months ago 126
@ThePeaceableKingdom me too. then i discovered masturbation
chanbaratime 6 months ago
@ThePeaceableKingdom thats a good one
realworldish 6 months ago
@realworldish Thanks. I wish I could claim I thought it up, but it's a line by the '80s comedian Emo Philips. It did seem apropos, though...
ThePeaceableKingdom 6 months ago
I would have liked to have seen a tortoise on a skateboard at the end there... :(
rybekdesign 7 months ago
The Smiths - does the body rule the mind, or does the mind rule the body..I dunno
JohnPurchaseArt 7 months ago
Karl You are great! I love that you question what most of us are too jaded to question. Thank you.
ThatOldBiddy 7 months ago
D her e så syykt syra!! hahahah! love it!
Paturbo88 8 months ago
lmao at Ricky's expression when he said, "You did!"
Sneezedoodle 8 months ago
Okay, I do understand that this is created for the purposes of comedy. And that it's to that end all efforts are directed. But it's reductionist pricks like gervais that make intelligent and sincere conversation so hard to come by. There's always got to be one person that feels the urge to give a simple answer and say "and that's all it is", to complex issues. And gets louder or just repeats themselves whenever any vaguely dissenting view is presented. But again, comedy show.
existenceisrelative 8 months ago
@existenceisrelative So true. Whenever i try and have an interesting conversation with people about the complexities of the universe there's always one intellectually arrogant, cynical bastard that has to simplify everything.
stoxocube18 7 months ago
I think there is a metabrain.
Edubbplate 8 months ago
@Edubbplate ALL HAIL THE METABRAIN!
SimonHenrichsen 7 months ago
i actually totally get what karl is saying lol
dropdead024 8 months ago
1:20
OH GOD! that onion! LOLL!
AthelStanVideos 9 months ago
'righ
youre not your brain. YOU experience feelings via the brain.
take a functioning body and brain with no consciousness, thats a machine. it doesnt care, pleasure, pain, arent felt. theres only physiological responses to any stimulus. nobody there to say ouch or yum yum.
the part that likes or dislikes is more than a computer program. eat a nom nom or slap yer head of a wall for proof and that innit. theres a 'me' at that time - permanent or not. I think.
HLecterPHD 9 months ago
@HLecterPHD Cogito ergo sum.
samirathesmall 8 months ago
@HLecterPHD "take a functioning body and brain with no consciousness, thats a machine." It's exactly the same with consciousness. In the end, all we are are electrical signals taking input from the environment and calculating that information to form a physical reaction or thought.
If you think about it, we're not even truly conscious, we're just a really complicated machine taking something in and putting something out.
sttate 8 months ago
@sttate hmm yeah but where do the electrical signals go. and if we're just matter does that mean matter is conscious and cares and experiences. did the consciousness come from matter or is it an intrinsic part of matter. did matter possibly even come after consciousness.
HLecterPHD 8 months ago
@HLecterPHD They go to and from your brain to and from receptors (if this is the right term) all over your body.
"and if we're just matter does that mean matter is conscious and cares and experiences." As far as we are concerned we do care and experience, but that's at the human level, our normal way of thinking.
Ask yourself, "Is a clock conscious?". As in the end that is all we are, biological clockwork. Just because we're far more complex doesn't mean there's a soul all of a sudden.
sttate 8 months ago
@sttate ok
Machinery cannot appreciate. The various signals go to and from your body, the brain is just another organ passing those signals.
Machinery can measure the content of a cake and class it as x or y. The machine will never experience taste. A machine wont be offended or flattered. Experiences exist, if matter really is ALL then experience has to be material and as real as anything.
Karls Q very intelligent, brain mind question is a whole branch of philos and medicine and religion(s).
HLecterPHD 8 months ago