I really don't get why the patched the archon toilet. A large number of very expensive units + the 400/400 mother ship can instantly destroy a group of units by using an ability if they are all in one place. That is *SOOOO* over powered. Admit ably I haven't seen very many instances of it, but it never seemed un fair to me.
The vortex patch isn't too bad, since yeah you can use this ff strategy, but you can still use the splash after 1.5 sec, not as good as before but useful enough.
activate the force fields, no fly zone of aggressive ships in designated areas, systems will malfuction only peaceful retreats will be allowed. poseidon active sea walls the ships approach all aggressive systems will malfuntion. activate the wall of reason the virus of light and truth what is yours is now mine change of heart.
@like5cookies IT still works. it was patched so that the units are invincible for 1.5 seconds. but the forcefields still squish them together, and just bring in your colosis when the time window is over
Not really. They just extended the period of invincibility to reduce the effectiveness of nuking units as they came out - this still very much works, barring any massive units in the army. They still have to wait for the FF to go down otherwise, which gives you plenty of time to snipe the army.
@MoonkeyXD@like5cookies They only patched it so that there's a brief period where the units don't take any damage so that they can spread out. Force fields will keep the units in place past the immunity period.
@thorvonstein But now Vortex will also munch any Force Fields that are coming into it's effect radius. So you'd have to surround the Vortex, then close the ring tighter and tighter when it has ended. But that'd allow all of the units to fire and any Massive unit would counter it.
oh god this is the most hilarious (if i spelled it correctly) thing ever just a few months back or when sc2 came out everyone hated terran who got beat bad myself being protoss i understood tht but with the recent nerfs and buffs it seems tht protoss is now the most OP race in sc2 (for now)
@Proshadow2552 The ffs are there to keep the units all together. THAT DIDN'T GET PATCHED. Even if you can't attack them for 1.5 seconds, you can still splash damage them afterwards because the ffs last longer than that. This means that they will still be clumped, making it still possible to archon toilet or do whatever.
it just got patched. Also you actually dont need to use forcefields as when they popped out, the splash kills all. However, as I said, It just got patched
this is so not up to date, i tried to do that after they removed archon toilet. vortex nulifies all forcefields withing pretty large area around it, so there is no way you can trap enemy units.
I don't really think blizzard thought the whole vortex thing through all that well...instead of being a way to eliminate opponents' DPS and to get better positioning, it became a way to get splash damage like storms, archons, colossus more easily lol.
i don't get why they make a patch for this. I mean that the mothership takes so long to make and costs a lot of resources that you probably wouldn't make one anyways. And then they have to make it even weaker?! -__-
@ericnrivers cause its so rigged. a typical protoss army will have your collosus and sentries and during mid/late game you have enough resources for a mother ship. think about it you instantly kill their army..
@NiferWee true. For a 4v4. Balance should NEVER be determined by those style of games. Starcraft was always about 1v1. If you just mass sentries and collusus and somehow have money for that then there is a problem..... Besides, all this does is prevent players from just massing a huge army and attacking at once which is almost cheese of itself. I mean, that is the worst way to win and it becomes pointless to try anything else. This actually made it more fair and players have to be good to win.
@ericnrivers i actually would have agreed with you.. but considering its a nerf against protoss.. THE MOST OP RACE THE WORLD HAS EVER SEEN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I'm gna have to say it was a good patch...... don't mean to be racist but ITS THE TRUTH YO
@TheLazything it's not really OP. In professional tournies, zerg actually seems to be doing the best followed by protoss and terran last. People just can't seem to work terran besides MMM with a slight variation to it. The thing is, mothership is never used in 1v1 and that is where balance should be considered. Not 4v4 or 3v3. Plus, what this "bug" ended up doing is making peope not spam a large amount of units and just attacking. It was actually helpful for gaining any actual skill. :/
@ericnrivers look man i dno.. i made that comment after losing 5 games in a row to toss as zerg... Was doing better in economy, focus fired coll with air units, surrounded stalkers with cracklings....... and i still lost badly each time... I can't explain it... I do soo well against terran (ok against zerg).. it just gets me down.....and right when I was about to get promoted.. sigh
@TheLazything hahah. Sorry, dude. I feel ya. I was top in my division and just beccause i lost a few games i am now at number 80. Well, infestors unfortunately don't do as much to protoss units as it does to other zerg and terran. Try hydras or maybe some ultras or just watch what professional players do. I can't help ya since i suck with zerg. lol. I just know what happens to kill me. hahah :)
@onecentnickel yes. i knowo it was in 2010. What fucking difference does that make. -__-. Btw, be careful on who you call stupid. That person may be smarter than you realize. Especially if they are studying quantum mechanics at mid age of 15.
@stefanarak since when are you ever going to have mothership in a 1v1 gme? And i mean a game where the players are higher than bronze and they can do better than just mass carriers or void rays.
@ericnrivers Kiwikaki was doing it pretty much every few games before the nerf. I know it's hard to get a mothership but at the end of the day something which allows a 40 food army to beat a 200 food one in 0.1 seconds (and there is nothing the 200 food player can do about it) is an exploit waiting to happen.
@stefanarak if you get your entire 200 food army trapped in a single vortex... well... let me spell it out for you... YOURE A TOAL NEEEEEEEEEEEWB :)))
@Teheleri So high level grandmaster players who got owned by this strat are newbs? erm no.. If you vortex an important part of someone's army then the ONLY response is to deliberately run the rest of your army into the vortex... so yeah, you sound quite bad at the game.
@stefanarak Thank you for your reply. I have yet to see a single grand master game where someone actually makes a mothership. Thus, you are simply talking out of your ass, good job. And I'm still laughing at you because you said 200 army. You're completely retarded for that. A high level player army will never exceed 150 food. Even a noobs army will never exceed lets say 170 food. Know why? Because the rest are workers you dumb twat.
@Teheleri Yes, I know that you fucking retard, but a '200/200 army' is common SC vernacular for a maxed out army. Or do you want people saying 'i had a 200/200 army, oh no wait, 150/200, oh no wait he did a drop on my mineral line so i had a few less workers, let's call it 173/200'. To call me out on that is just pedantic semantics you fuckwit. It's like saying 'MMM' is that strat someone went even though there are a couple of vikings thrown in, it's just common SC lingo.
@Teheleri Secondly search: EPIC MOMMA - KiwiKaki vs Lord - PvZ.
us battle net/sc2/en/profile/390507/1/ROOTKiWiKaKi/ladder/41471#current-rank
He is SECOND in US grandmasters.. LOL now who is talking out their arse you pathetic piece of shit? You are 100% proved wrong on that point and nothing you can say will change that. Owned.
oh wait, thats only one game?
KiwiKaki vs PainUser
Kiwikaki (P) vs Morrow (Z) ... Kiwikaki (P) vs lalush (Z) ...
@Teheleri Oh wait, that's only one guy? How about Huk in the FINALS of the Gosucoaching weekly tournament? Or TLO vs HASU? Or HUK vs pinder in the MLG game 3? Now who is the one talking out their arse? Looks like you are trying to argue about something that you don't have enough knowledge about, judging by your statement, otherwise known as an ignoramus. So your only argument is that I said 200/200 army when some of it is workers.. wow.. even though this is the common phrase .. retard.
@stefanarak AHAHAHAHAH EPIC RAGE MATE, you derped real good. xDDD
Oh so there were 3 or 4 matches out of thousands where someone pulled this through because their opponent didn't expect it and was obviously too bad to kill the protoss going for the mothership even though they just wasted 600+minerals and gas just to get one unit that is just oh so easily killed? Fail more you retard ahahaha + again at your rage faggot <3
@Teheleri I'm not raging, I'm just responding to your insults with insults, that's how it works xD. Well, it's not a waste if it wins you the game is it you mong ;S. well, it was deemed officially to be OP, it was patched, you are wrong, and it is never going to return. game over.
@Teheleri I'm sorry for the insults, but you started it by saying I were bad at the game which rightly so ticked me off. Still the argument stands, liek you have just said yourself, so yes the zegr playe rlost 70 food really fast, that's nowhere near 200 and being how zerg works, aka the race with the fastest ability to rebuild their army, the game is far from over. There is alot more going wrong other than just falling into a vortex. Thats just the nail in the coffin.
@stefanarak So I watched the games you mentioned. In ABSOLUTELY NONE of them was the mothership used to beat an outmassed opponent with above strategy. The armies always had equal size and it came down to good protoss play versus bad terran/zerg decision making. You are just opening your mouth to produce hot air and feel special. Good job, retard.
@Teheleri Okay then, here we go: Kiwikaki vs Looky - Metalopolis. toss- 2 base, 110 supply. zerg, 5 base, 150 supply. within literally ONE SECOND of coming out of the vortex.. toss = 110 supply, zerg = 85 supply. you have failed at your argument. now you can argue that it is not imbalanced for that to happen, and that's fair enough, I mean i'd still think you were a retard. but to argue that the strategy isn't used, you're just provably wrong mate...
@stefanarak I have to agree, it's wrong to say that the strategy has never been used. But that's not what I said, I said I have never seen it being used, because, as I have stated right so, it is rarely ever used. The fact that it has now also been nerfed, merely means that instead of rarely being used, the mothership is never being used again. If that is so, blizzard could've just taken the unit out of the game, dont you think so?
@Teheleri Well, add that to the list of units that need to be looked at, along with BCs and Carriers.. mothership's mass recall is still useful when combined with blink stalkers in some situations, but it is so niche that it is virtually never used. but the fact that a unit is useless isn't an argument to leave in an imbalanced ability. just because it is an expensive/useless unit- so what? give terran/zerg an expensive high-tech unit that has the ability to destroy an army in seconds then? no..
@stefanarak I have looked at your match. Again its the zerg players fault for getting killed so badly. A zerg that only makes mutas is simply just calling for it. The vortex ability as it was being used wasnt OP. Looky could've killed kiwikaki early-mid game easily enough with roaches lings but instead he went for mass mutas. Even without the mothership, kiwikaki could've easily killed mass mutas anytime.
@Teheleri Hmm, ok yeah, I'll take your word for it over the multiple top 100 players in the world kiwikaki did his 'signature move' to... god some people are arrogant xD.
@stefanarak This was 1 match where it actually made a difference because the zerg players strategy and micro failed to avoid it because he simply didnt expect it to happen (fail scout?) and didnt go for an early roach push. Hows that got anything to do with what you just said? This has nothing to do with being arrogant or ignorant or whatever unreasonable word you're coming up next. If the mothership would've become more available in regular play, people could've learned to deal with it.
@Teheleri I'm just saying, there is for sure more than 1 match where he does this.. and no, there is no way to deal with it once a vortex is done over any significant part of your army as the only response is to run into the vortex, as you are supposed to.. well, the vortex is supposed to give you time to reinforce and retreat, not crush an opponents army in a split second. if the only way to deal with it is 'dont let them get mothership' then the unit is broken. not saying it doesnt need a buff
@stefanarak They dont just need the mothership though... they also need the archons. The time to get those + waiting for the mothership to get enough energy to actually do a vortex will leave the protoss player VERY vulnerable until timer 12 - 13.
If that fails, you can still spot the mothership. It is a very slow unit so just keep your mass army out of it's range / split your army up into 3-4 groups once you decide to take it out. There are so many possibilities for the opponent to win this.
@Teheleri Well, so what? Of course you need other units, it's not like you have to get all the archons separately, if you are in the late game and have lots of HTs, archons are very viable especially against zerg, for their splash and high HP. i'm not saying it's not POSSIBLE to avoid getting put into an archon toilet, but it is an ability which was not intended, no other race has a parallel, and was deemed to be imbalanced by the blizzard design team.
@Teheleri I mean if zerg had a unit that allowed you to take down a much bigger army with a much smaller one but only if you had quite a few brood lords as well; well in the late game, zergs often DO have brood lords, so it's strange to factor in getting archons as some disadvantageous part of the strategy :S.. if anything it's just a logical progression. and yes, well, in bronze-diamond leagues it is probably pretty useless. but with grandmaster micro.. it is simply imbalanced.
@Teheleri AtheneWins vs LuckyFish - PvZ .. from 200 supply to 80 in under a second. totally fair o_O. i mean it would perhaps be arguable if terran and zerg had similar abilities, but they don't.. at all.. nothing compares to that in the slightest. that is therefore by definition an imbalance.
@stefanarak haha I had to laugh so hard at that match. So 8 broodlords going into the vortex is a major part of your army worth moving all the rest into the vortex? No. That was just poor decision making, just like it was poor positioning, you never want to have your broodlords out in the open on the front, kiwikaki could've easily killed them with blink stalkers while the immortals/archons/hightemplars wouldve decimated the roaches/hydras with sentry split.
@stefanarak Other than that, the zegr player was terrible. No agression whatsoever until minute 9 when the protoss moved out with phoenixes and finally started to bulck up. Well I guess luckyfish is good at claiming expansions... thats about it. But why go for spawning pool before nat i that's the style you want to play?... so many poor decisions. The vortex was, once again, just the nail in the coffin, rammed in with a sledgehammer. :D
@Teheleri 32 supply is quite a lot mate, especially brood lords, zerg's seige unit. that's the equivalent of 11 terran tanks going into the vortex, easily enough to break the back of an army. yes having broodlords in the front was wrong, but if they were in the back and he vortexed the units in the front, the broodlords would have had to run in anyway tbh! and I don't know, I personally do not like to question their strategies such as pool into macro expo as the GM metagame is beyond me and you
@stefanarak Honestly, I do believe had the other part of his army been vortexed, the broodlords could've caused major havoc. Either way, obviously I wouldn't know, I'm only a masters league random race player with limited knowledge and their metagame is beyond me...
@Teheleri Hey, I'm high diamond, but I do think the difference between high GM and even high masters is huge.. I mean these guys tournament for a living, whereas I'm sure you (like me) play for fun, but at the highest level you can. I mean, I was watching a GM's stream the other day and he went onto his friends master account and played random (he's only a terran) and did crazy strats like reaper only, mass queen, warp prism/ht play.. and he beat them with ease o_O
toilets dont work anymore T.T they are fixed
Famaso012 3 days ago
Rip
48tank 1 month ago
i want to see white ra do this
julianjesus12 1 month ago 5
this would still work imo. the forcefields just have to stay there long enough.
kjonsberg 1 month ago
"all your guys died instantly"
CAPTAIN OBVIOUS HURR DURRRRRRR
Otoriheron 2 months ago 31
It's such a shame they patched stuff like this. It almost made the mothership worth getting...
Blackpanfa 2 months ago
I really don't get why the patched the archon toilet. A large number of very expensive units + the 400/400 mother ship can instantly destroy a group of units by using an ability if they are all in one place. That is *SOOOO* over powered. Admit ably I haven't seen very many instances of it, but it never seemed un fair to me.
jeirda5 2 months ago
Colossus toilet!!
SuperMario748 2 months ago
Ahh... the mothership, either way OP or patched to be useless... probably why they are getting rid of it, RIP.
TooMuchCrimeDrama 3 months ago
and thats why there getting rid of the mothership
centercity1 3 months ago
Use Vortex: A good talent to have
therockmanxx 3 months ago
@therockmanxx "toi" have
Xcoopa93 3 months ago
lol terrans all like, "wtf"
AbduCola 3 months ago 3
patched, fixed an issue where good planning and strategy allowed you to kill a poorly micro'd, poorly varied army
ThedudeMc50 3 months ago
useful when play with supper noob
hoanggeneral 3 months ago
Wait since they patched this do they come outside the force fields?
IchiJewSan 4 months ago
@IchiJewSan no everything that comes out of the FF cant be hit for a couple seconds
spookman117 2 months ago
ti like how it was set up and how ur mate was so suprised lmao
RonanOwnsAll 4 months ago
The vortex patch isn't too bad, since yeah you can use this ff strategy, but you can still use the splash after 1.5 sec, not as good as before but useful enough.
SC2Nuke 4 months ago
Unless there is a Thor in there!!
Pigroota 4 months ago 2
0_о
TheStrategPRO 4 months ago
WTF....!!!!
all your guys died....
yeah...
STARCRAFT2OWNER 4 months ago
funny..still works
viertro 4 months ago
makes sure that the zerg will not counter with banelings then
FinalStar123 5 months ago
that noob got pwned! lmfao
UnCharted789 5 months ago
The forcefields can no longer be put on a vortex.
It's like they get soaked in, or u could consider vortex a massive unit.
No idea when exactly this has been patched that way...
phrenetiC89 6 months ago
wats splass damage?
tbear116 6 months ago
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Madblank87 5 months ago
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@tbear116 splash
Madblank87 5 months ago
@tbear116 damage that spreads to more than one unit
SamKabobs 5 months ago
@SamKabobs ur missing the joke..... he called it splass damage, its spelled splash damage.. u know..haha... -sigh-
tbear116 5 months ago
@tbear116 no its splash damage LOL
TlMpossible 5 months ago
activate the force fields, no fly zone of aggressive ships in designated areas, systems will malfuction only peaceful retreats will be allowed. poseidon active sea walls the ships approach all aggressive systems will malfuntion. activate the wall of reason the virus of light and truth what is yours is now mine change of heart.
mingacorre 6 months ago
@mingacorre wth?
Madblank87 5 months ago
gotta love the wtf comment
ASSASSIN2142MiG2 6 months ago
You wont be able to do that if there are an massive uits inside the vortex since Massive units breaks FF's
TheS1NN3D 6 months ago
long live the archon toilet!!!!
MNMaftertheP 6 months ago 76
I loled
TheKamanashiNetwork 6 months ago
i hate it when sc2 patches some advantages brilliant starcraft player discover.
deansman 6 months ago
@deansman how is it brilliant you fucking noob ff is overpowered faggot
FakeDicck 6 months ago
@FakeDicck i wasn't talking about the vortex i was was talking about "brilliant starcraft" players. get your facts straight
deansman 5 months ago
good thing protoss isnt op.
Zeruckiven 6 months ago
@Zeruckiven if the terran guy just had his tanks in siege mode he would have won that battle easily
FanHusky 6 months ago
lol other guy "WTF?"
girwillkillyou 6 months ago
What's just happened?
MymemoriezZ 7 months ago
I love how the guy that goes "WTF" doesn't move a single unit on the field the entire time.
soocl0se 7 months ago
it dosent work any more on the latest patch
davidlau83 7 months ago
That is great combo:-D
drugiecz 8 months ago
this still makes archon toilet possible. if not, use colosus or high templars
TheChaosKhan 8 months ago
@TheChaosKhan nope this does no work anymore , vortex kills the forcefeild
roxas24724 7 months ago
1 thor
DasFunkwagen 8 months ago
@DasFunkwagen it would be inside the vortex and not able to crush all the FF'a quickly enough, as it wont be in all places at once.
rkid1296 8 months ago
@rkid1296 <3 colosi
DasFunkwagen 8 months ago
@DasFunkwagen lol yeah
rkid1296 8 months ago
....come on guys... xD This video was preferably funny, too much arguments in a single video.
OmfgBogsy 8 months ago
hey guys, its a vortex JUMP IN
beefcurrywithrice 8 months ago
patched,,
like5cookies 8 months ago 102
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@like5cookies No, it's not. You do not know what you're talking off.
ROEDERBABY 8 months ago
@like5cookies u sure? because this would be a dirty combo, cuz i play toss.
xxxspideyxxx 8 months ago
@like5cookies well force fields should last long enough to do this the same
RFthunder 7 months ago
@like5cookies
Wrong. This still works. It keeps them bunched after the invulnerability runs out.
TheAdmiralPancake 6 months ago
@like5cookies
The regular Vortex was patched. This beats the patch.
TheAdmiralPancake 6 months ago
@like5cookies IT still works. it was patched so that the units are invincible for 1.5 seconds. but the forcefields still squish them together, and just bring in your colosis when the time window is over
s7r1k30u7 6 months ago
@s7r1k30u7 vortex breaks force fields after the patch
RedDevilFan10 6 months ago
@RedDevilFan10 really? then i guess the game glitched because i did that in a 2v2 the other day
s7r1k30u7 6 months ago
@like5cookies i dont have sc2 so.. how did it get patched?
walshph33r 6 months ago
@walshph33r Units that leave the vortex gets a short invunvuability.
Kazzeroth 6 months ago
@like5cookies well u cant instantly kill them but u can kill them with a delay of 0,5 sec or 1,5 dont remember
108arno 5 months ago
@like5cookies Lol. Why BLIZZARD Always kills the pros of the vortex?!
ZverevasLT 5 months ago
@like5cookies Fuck Patches.
tosswartul 5 months ago
@like5cookies they say vortexnuke was patched, i still use it.
You just have to delay it, and wait until they can be damaged (of course you'll have to keep the forcefields up)
SASGhost1995 5 months ago
@like5cookies
Not really. They just extended the period of invincibility to reduce the effectiveness of nuking units as they came out - this still very much works, barring any massive units in the army. They still have to wait for the FF to go down otherwise, which gives you plenty of time to snipe the army.
Malacite 4 months ago
@like5cookies No, only differrent is that: Your FF must stay for 1,5 seconds, when those units are undead and then you kill them too.
Anagmate 4 months ago
@Anagmate vortex destroys forcefields now...
brainboxj 3 months ago
@like5cookies I think you can still Force Field around the Vortex, only that the Force Fields should be placed a bit more apart from the Vortex.
neozxa 2 months ago
@like5cookies Fag,, This would still work; just force field past the immunity timer.
3ndlessSky 2 months ago
@3ndlessSky All the units doesnt come back in the same spot like that anymore I think
MoonkeyXD 2 months ago
@MoonkeyXD @like5cookies They only patched it so that there's a brief period where the units don't take any damage so that they can spread out. Force fields will keep the units in place past the immunity period.
thorvonstein 2 months ago
@thorvonstein But now Vortex will also munch any Force Fields that are coming into it's effect radius. So you'd have to surround the Vortex, then close the ring tighter and tighter when it has ended. But that'd allow all of the units to fire and any Massive unit would counter it.
Toraka1 2 months ago
Guys who came from blizzard forums. this was nerfed/removed.
you can't place FFs on a vortex.
>_>
the mommaship was nerfed more than once
AznLoserWin 8 months ago
kill all ur ground army...unless u burrow
FishTurd69 8 months ago
NEW PATCH GG NO RE
thehumor 8 months ago
lol its like another version of the archon toilet
Monthral1 8 months ago
wait, so archon toilet doesn't work any more? since units are immune to damage for 1.5 sec after they come out from the vortex?
JavelinMagic 9 months ago
that one zealot at the end haha
JavelinMagic 9 months ago
is this legal? then why nobody use it?
memokk 9 months ago
@memokk nowerdays the vortex kills the forcefields and the units are immune to damage for 1.5 seconds after they are coming out of the vortex
haywire185 9 months ago
thats freaken owned LOL
SilliOLeon 9 months ago
u shoulda said, "all you base are belong to us"
beyondnoob737 9 months ago 2
siege mode ftw!!!!
TheMontrellaLoney 9 months ago
oh god this is the most hilarious (if i spelled it correctly) thing ever just a few months back or when sc2 came out everyone hated terran who got beat bad myself being protoss i understood tht but with the recent nerfs and buffs it seems tht protoss is now the most OP race in sc2 (for now)
MrWhy44 9 months ago
i kinda new with internet ! is this fb?
bobmaxi100 9 months ago
wow, thats a little op xD
RyanStarcraftProtoss 10 months ago
Hmmm... 2v2, vortex+banelings.... Still YAY!
ELFoglalt17 10 months ago
@KliiitschStarCraft it's been patched a longg time ago :P
SunnyMuffinsRox 10 months ago
@SunnyMuffinsRox
And still forcefields are unbalanced..just as the infestors..
Beakle 10 months ago
Lol nobody is going to use it because everyone makes 4 gate and shits on motherships. But still nice strategy :)
EricZShoutSingCar 10 months ago
lol
vinniechan 10 months ago
I love how the guy he's going against was like "WTF"!!!
5413252270 10 months ago
hey starcraftscientis go back to kitchen and warp me a sandiwsh
Mihnea90Teo 10 months ago 73
@Mihnea90Teo dude really you stole that comment from "selendis quotes" get ur own fucking jokes
TheFermanDude 8 months ago
@TheFermanDude really ?
Mihnea90Teo 8 months ago
@Proshadow2552 The ffs are there to keep the units all together. THAT DIDN'T GET PATCHED. Even if you can't attack them for 1.5 seconds, you can still splash damage them afterwards because the ffs last longer than that. This means that they will still be clumped, making it still possible to archon toilet or do whatever.
PIeSquaredMan 10 months ago
it just got patched. Also you actually dont need to use forcefields as when they popped out, the splash kills all. However, as I said, It just got patched
proshadow2552 10 months ago
this is so not up to date, i tried to do that after they removed archon toilet. vortex nulifies all forcefields withing pretty large area around it, so there is no way you can trap enemy units.
maikyuubi 10 months ago
So this video was staged I'm guessing?
stretch90 10 months ago
for one second there i thought he will write : " All your base belong to us " :D lol
DucklingShakespeare 10 months ago 17
not any more -.-
CiceroProductionsIII 10 months ago
you can still do it if you time it perfectly. not too hard, just vortex and look at game time, when it's 15 secs exactly after some quick FF's = win
bigibob 10 months ago
that some nice "splass damage"
4SangreNueva19 10 months ago
well thats not broken at all
KAmaKAsa1 11 months ago
be cool if you fungal growthed the units coming out-all of em will be stuck lol!
theMagicCapybara 11 months ago
This is bug abuse. It is so easy to execute and much too devastating. Nothing but bug abuse. I'm glad this was patched.
Szuubs 11 months ago
@Szuubs that was the archon toliet, mean while this is called the "vortex force field :deadly combo"
AznLoserWin 11 months ago
@AznLoserWin Exact same effect.
Szuubs 11 months ago
@Szuubs this is done with either HTs or colossi
AznLoserWin 11 months ago
@AznLoserWin Again. Exact same effect.
Szuubs 11 months ago
=.=
AznLoserWin 11 months ago
this is bug abuse
kPkunu 11 months ago
@kPkunu no this is skill :)
MrLucgauthier 11 months ago
and the terran guy: wtf? xD
SasoriFanXD 11 months ago
I don't really think blizzard thought the whole vortex thing through all that well...instead of being a way to eliminate opponents' DPS and to get better positioning, it became a way to get splash damage like storms, archons, colossus more easily lol.
KeepTheBeat411 11 months ago
HOLY HELL!!!
JSckorp 11 months ago
i don't get why they make a patch for this. I mean that the mothership takes so long to make and costs a lot of resources that you probably wouldn't make one anyways. And then they have to make it even weaker?! -__-
ericnrivers 11 months ago 55
@ericnrivers THIS!
nerfbattothefacelol 11 months ago
@ericnrivers name a unit you can compare a mothership too.
the3bigreddevils 11 months ago
@ericnrivers Because an ability that is an instant win would be kind of retarded.
SomeIncredibleDude 11 months ago
@ericnrivers you can still do that u just need to wait 1.5 seconds
Guitar5hit 11 months ago
@ericnrivers cause its so rigged. a typical protoss army will have your collosus and sentries and during mid/late game you have enough resources for a mother ship. think about it you instantly kill their army..
NiferWee 9 months ago
@NiferWee true. For a 4v4. Balance should NEVER be determined by those style of games. Starcraft was always about 1v1. If you just mass sentries and collusus and somehow have money for that then there is a problem..... Besides, all this does is prevent players from just massing a huge army and attacking at once which is almost cheese of itself. I mean, that is the worst way to win and it becomes pointless to try anything else. This actually made it more fair and players have to be good to win.
ericnrivers 9 months ago
@ericnrivers i actually would have agreed with you.. but considering its a nerf against protoss.. THE MOST OP RACE THE WORLD HAS EVER SEEN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I'm gna have to say it was a good patch...... don't mean to be racist but ITS THE TRUTH YO
TheLazything 9 months ago
@TheLazything it's not really OP. In professional tournies, zerg actually seems to be doing the best followed by protoss and terran last. People just can't seem to work terran besides MMM with a slight variation to it. The thing is, mothership is never used in 1v1 and that is where balance should be considered. Not 4v4 or 3v3. Plus, what this "bug" ended up doing is making peope not spam a large amount of units and just attacking. It was actually helpful for gaining any actual skill. :/
ericnrivers 9 months ago
@ericnrivers look man i dno.. i made that comment after losing 5 games in a row to toss as zerg... Was doing better in economy, focus fired coll with air units, surrounded stalkers with cracklings....... and i still lost badly each time... I can't explain it... I do soo well against terran (ok against zerg).. it just gets me down.....and right when I was about to get promoted.. sigh
TheLazything 9 months ago
@TheLazything hahah. Sorry, dude. I feel ya. I was top in my division and just beccause i lost a few games i am now at number 80. Well, infestors unfortunately don't do as much to protoss units as it does to other zerg and terran. Try hydras or maybe some ultras or just watch what professional players do. I can't help ya since i suck with zerg. lol. I just know what happens to kill me. hahah :)
ericnrivers 9 months ago
@ericnrivers team games with archon toilet
SuperFREEXBOXLIVECOD 9 months ago
@ericnrivers This was in 2010.... You dumb shit.
onecentnickel 9 months ago
@onecentnickel yes. i knowo it was in 2010. What fucking difference does that make. -__-. Btw, be careful on who you call stupid. That person may be smarter than you realize. Especially if they are studying quantum mechanics at mid age of 15.
ericnrivers 9 months ago
@ericnrivers Eh bad mood, and because this was fixed a year ago, and they had to change it again because of how op it was with archon toilet.
onecentnickel 9 months ago
@onecentnickel wow. yeah, blizz just can't decide what they want. lol :)
ericnrivers 9 months ago
@ericnrivers Toss is already Op
TeamFTKOTK 9 months ago
@ericnrivers you serious? just watch the vid..
stefanarak 8 months ago
@stefanarak since when are you ever going to have mothership in a 1v1 gme? And i mean a game where the players are higher than bronze and they can do better than just mass carriers or void rays.
ericnrivers 8 months ago
@ericnrivers Kiwikaki was doing it pretty much every few games before the nerf. I know it's hard to get a mothership but at the end of the day something which allows a 40 food army to beat a 200 food one in 0.1 seconds (and there is nothing the 200 food player can do about it) is an exploit waiting to happen.
stefanarak 8 months ago
@stefanarak if you get your entire 200 food army trapped in a single vortex... well... let me spell it out for you... YOURE A TOAL NEEEEEEEEEEEWB :)))
Teheleri 8 months ago
@Teheleri So high level grandmaster players who got owned by this strat are newbs? erm no.. If you vortex an important part of someone's army then the ONLY response is to deliberately run the rest of your army into the vortex... so yeah, you sound quite bad at the game.
stefanarak 8 months ago
@stefanarak Thank you for your reply. I have yet to see a single grand master game where someone actually makes a mothership. Thus, you are simply talking out of your ass, good job. And I'm still laughing at you because you said 200 army. You're completely retarded for that. A high level player army will never exceed 150 food. Even a noobs army will never exceed lets say 170 food. Know why? Because the rest are workers you dumb twat.
Teheleri 8 months ago
@Teheleri Yes, I know that you fucking retard, but a '200/200 army' is common SC vernacular for a maxed out army. Or do you want people saying 'i had a 200/200 army, oh no wait, 150/200, oh no wait he did a drop on my mineral line so i had a few less workers, let's call it 173/200'. To call me out on that is just pedantic semantics you fuckwit. It's like saying 'MMM' is that strat someone went even though there are a couple of vikings thrown in, it's just common SC lingo.
stefanarak 8 months ago
@Teheleri Secondly search: EPIC MOMMA - KiwiKaki vs Lord - PvZ.
us battle net/sc2/en/profile/390507/1/ROOTKiWiKaKi/ladder/41471#current-rank
He is SECOND in US grandmasters.. LOL now who is talking out their arse you pathetic piece of shit? You are 100% proved wrong on that point and nothing you can say will change that. Owned.
oh wait, thats only one game?
KiwiKaki vs PainUser
Kiwikaki (P) vs Morrow (Z) ... Kiwikaki (P) vs lalush (Z) ...
stefanarak 8 months ago
@Teheleri Oh wait, that's only one guy? How about Huk in the FINALS of the Gosucoaching weekly tournament? Or TLO vs HASU? Or HUK vs pinder in the MLG game 3? Now who is the one talking out their arse? Looks like you are trying to argue about something that you don't have enough knowledge about, judging by your statement, otherwise known as an ignoramus. So your only argument is that I said 200/200 army when some of it is workers.. wow.. even though this is the common phrase .. retard.
stefanarak 8 months ago
@stefanarak AHAHAHAHAH EPIC RAGE MATE, you derped real good. xDDD
Oh so there were 3 or 4 matches out of thousands where someone pulled this through because their opponent didn't expect it and was obviously too bad to kill the protoss going for the mothership even though they just wasted 600+minerals and gas just to get one unit that is just oh so easily killed? Fail more you retard ahahaha + again at your rage faggot <3
Teheleri 8 months ago
@Teheleri I'm not raging, I'm just responding to your insults with insults, that's how it works xD. Well, it's not a waste if it wins you the game is it you mong ;S. well, it was deemed officially to be OP, it was patched, you are wrong, and it is never going to return. game over.
stefanarak 8 months ago
@Teheleri I'm sorry for the insults, but you started it by saying I were bad at the game which rightly so ticked me off. Still the argument stands, liek you have just said yourself, so yes the zegr playe rlost 70 food really fast, that's nowhere near 200 and being how zerg works, aka the race with the fastest ability to rebuild their army, the game is far from over. There is alot more going wrong other than just falling into a vortex. Thats just the nail in the coffin.
Teheleri 8 months ago
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Teheleri 8 months ago
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@stefanarak So I watched the games you mentioned. In ABSOLUTELY NONE of them was the mothership used to beat an outmassed opponent with above strategy. The armies always had equal size and it came down to good protoss play versus bad terran/zerg decision making. You are just opening your mouth to produce hot air and feel special. Good job, retard.
Teheleri 8 months ago
@Teheleri Okay then, here we go: Kiwikaki vs Looky - Metalopolis. toss- 2 base, 110 supply. zerg, 5 base, 150 supply. within literally ONE SECOND of coming out of the vortex.. toss = 110 supply, zerg = 85 supply. you have failed at your argument. now you can argue that it is not imbalanced for that to happen, and that's fair enough, I mean i'd still think you were a retard. but to argue that the strategy isn't used, you're just provably wrong mate...
stefanarak 8 months ago
@stefanarak I have to agree, it's wrong to say that the strategy has never been used. But that's not what I said, I said I have never seen it being used, because, as I have stated right so, it is rarely ever used. The fact that it has now also been nerfed, merely means that instead of rarely being used, the mothership is never being used again. If that is so, blizzard could've just taken the unit out of the game, dont you think so?
Teheleri 8 months ago
@Teheleri Well, add that to the list of units that need to be looked at, along with BCs and Carriers.. mothership's mass recall is still useful when combined with blink stalkers in some situations, but it is so niche that it is virtually never used. but the fact that a unit is useless isn't an argument to leave in an imbalanced ability. just because it is an expensive/useless unit- so what? give terran/zerg an expensive high-tech unit that has the ability to destroy an army in seconds then? no..
stefanarak 8 months ago
@stefanarak I have looked at your match. Again its the zerg players fault for getting killed so badly. A zerg that only makes mutas is simply just calling for it. The vortex ability as it was being used wasnt OP. Looky could've killed kiwikaki early-mid game easily enough with roaches lings but instead he went for mass mutas. Even without the mothership, kiwikaki could've easily killed mass mutas anytime.
Teheleri 8 months ago
@Teheleri Hmm, ok yeah, I'll take your word for it over the multiple top 100 players in the world kiwikaki did his 'signature move' to... god some people are arrogant xD.
stefanarak 8 months ago
@stefanarak This was 1 match where it actually made a difference because the zerg players strategy and micro failed to avoid it because he simply didnt expect it to happen (fail scout?) and didnt go for an early roach push. Hows that got anything to do with what you just said? This has nothing to do with being arrogant or ignorant or whatever unreasonable word you're coming up next. If the mothership would've become more available in regular play, people could've learned to deal with it.
Teheleri 8 months ago
@Teheleri I'm just saying, there is for sure more than 1 match where he does this.. and no, there is no way to deal with it once a vortex is done over any significant part of your army as the only response is to run into the vortex, as you are supposed to.. well, the vortex is supposed to give you time to reinforce and retreat, not crush an opponents army in a split second. if the only way to deal with it is 'dont let them get mothership' then the unit is broken. not saying it doesnt need a buff
stefanarak 8 months ago
@stefanarak They dont just need the mothership though... they also need the archons. The time to get those + waiting for the mothership to get enough energy to actually do a vortex will leave the protoss player VERY vulnerable until timer 12 - 13.
If that fails, you can still spot the mothership. It is a very slow unit so just keep your mass army out of it's range / split your army up into 3-4 groups once you decide to take it out. There are so many possibilities for the opponent to win this.
Teheleri 8 months ago
@Teheleri Well, so what? Of course you need other units, it's not like you have to get all the archons separately, if you are in the late game and have lots of HTs, archons are very viable especially against zerg, for their splash and high HP. i'm not saying it's not POSSIBLE to avoid getting put into an archon toilet, but it is an ability which was not intended, no other race has a parallel, and was deemed to be imbalanced by the blizzard design team.
stefanarak 8 months ago
@Teheleri I mean if zerg had a unit that allowed you to take down a much bigger army with a much smaller one but only if you had quite a few brood lords as well; well in the late game, zergs often DO have brood lords, so it's strange to factor in getting archons as some disadvantageous part of the strategy :S.. if anything it's just a logical progression. and yes, well, in bronze-diamond leagues it is probably pretty useless. but with grandmaster micro.. it is simply imbalanced.
stefanarak 8 months ago
@Teheleri AtheneWins vs LuckyFish - PvZ .. from 200 supply to 80 in under a second. totally fair o_O. i mean it would perhaps be arguable if terran and zerg had similar abilities, but they don't.. at all.. nothing compares to that in the slightest. that is therefore by definition an imbalance.
stefanarak 8 months ago
@stefanarak haha I had to laugh so hard at that match. So 8 broodlords going into the vortex is a major part of your army worth moving all the rest into the vortex? No. That was just poor decision making, just like it was poor positioning, you never want to have your broodlords out in the open on the front, kiwikaki could've easily killed them with blink stalkers while the immortals/archons/hightemplars wouldve decimated the roaches/hydras with sentry split.
Teheleri 8 months ago
@stefanarak Other than that, the zegr player was terrible. No agression whatsoever until minute 9 when the protoss moved out with phoenixes and finally started to bulck up. Well I guess luckyfish is good at claiming expansions... thats about it. But why go for spawning pool before nat i that's the style you want to play?... so many poor decisions. The vortex was, once again, just the nail in the coffin, rammed in with a sledgehammer. :D
Teheleri 8 months ago
@Teheleri 32 supply is quite a lot mate, especially brood lords, zerg's seige unit. that's the equivalent of 11 terran tanks going into the vortex, easily enough to break the back of an army. yes having broodlords in the front was wrong, but if they were in the back and he vortexed the units in the front, the broodlords would have had to run in anyway tbh! and I don't know, I personally do not like to question their strategies such as pool into macro expo as the GM metagame is beyond me and you
stefanarak 8 months ago
@stefanarak Honestly, I do believe had the other part of his army been vortexed, the broodlords could've caused major havoc. Either way, obviously I wouldn't know, I'm only a masters league random race player with limited knowledge and their metagame is beyond me...
Teheleri 8 months ago
@Teheleri Hey, I'm high diamond, but I do think the difference between high GM and even high masters is huge.. I mean these guys tournament for a living, whereas I'm sure you (like me) play for fun, but at the highest level you can. I mean, I was watching a GM's stream the other day and he went onto his friends master account and played random (he's only a terran) and did crazy strats like reaper only, mass queen, warp prism/ht play.. and he beat them with ease o_O
stefanarak 8 months ago
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