ok, ok, hes not taking your guns away there. anyway, in canada, were not allowed to carry guns at ALL!! (yay) the only time you have a gun is if your out in the bush in the hunting season.
Obama just wants everyone keep the guns inside the house locked up kind of thing.
There is NO reason or the excuse of carrying guns around unless your a police officer that is on the job. make sence? YES!!! OF COURSE
reading this makes me wounder if everyone smokes weed... First of all, the minute a politician proposes to take guns away, you will have immediate revolution. Second of all, do you think McCain would not take our guns away? I say yes. And thrid of all, get a book and lear what Marxism & Socialism are. I'm not politically affiliated with them, but I do read. Marxism & Socialsim have been used as a mask for totalitarians, but they aren't what you think...
Karl Marx wrote his philosophy, known as Marxism/Communism, out of desperation of the conditions of the working poor. According to him, the lower classes, or the proletariate, should be in a better position than the oligarcs, or the rich. Also, they must all share things with each other in order to prevent greed and avarice. Early Christianity lived in this way according to the book of Acts.
Socialism is similar to what Marx said, but on a lesser scale. Famous socialists include Eugene Debs, George Orwell (actually, he calls himself a democratic socialist), Emma Goldman, and in a way, the recently deceased Howard Zinn. All in all, they tried to imprive the conditions of the working poor and the lower classes from the abuses of the rich and powerful.
Like I said, Marxism and Socialsm have been used as masks for dictatorship.
Palin rarely answered the questions put to her, preferring instead to haphazardly regurgitate hackneyed phrases drummed into her head by career speech writers. Only a fool would want such a vacuous creature to be a heartbeat away from the presidency.
Virtually all polls show that Biden won the debate. Many who were initially impressed by Palin at the RNC are now dismayed. Her approval ratings continue to drop. The patina has lost its luster; substance does matter.
awesome zeenie! i'm also getting sick and tired of people saying she did good. I say "Yay she did good if she was debating in an elementry school, but this is a vp debate" can't just let palin pass saying well she didn't fall on her face
hello? are you there??? do you live on planet fucking earth??!? do u know anything about obama's background about him having no money or status. his dad left him when he was 2
i think that was what tanio was getting at when he said hello.
"So in that way it's a wash as to who really won or lost.
And being she had the most to lose I give her the edge"
Had the most to lose? She still will be in a losing position because she will not be able to control the setting. It is the reason why katie nailed her to the wall and expect more Katies to come.
i don't watch tv btw ..I research but really it's a no-brainer .I lived during these times.I'm 44 years old.I see you've decided to sensor me too.. figgers..lol
thanks but I'm really amazed at people.The lack of accountability that has come from the Democrats and you missed it?Fannie Mae and Fannie mac and the books being cooked were democrat ideas of which Obama was a part of and you say Biden won?He lied dude. 14 times he lied and he won?Look at his answers.She identified beter with middle class America.I guess you people want the problem to stay in Washington?I guess you think raising taxes on buisnesses will generate jobs right? wrong!(part 1)
"he identified beter with middle class America.I guess you people want the problem to stay in Washington?I guess you think raising taxes on buisnesses will generate jobs right? wrong!(part 1)"
Well what strategy did she come up with to create jobs what is the strategy?How did she identify with Middle America what did she say that would affect Middle America? People kill me with that she identifies with Middle America, in what way?!
You should know Palin is and has been middle class all of her life.She worked hard to get where she came from..Maybe you should look at your very wealthy candidates.America got them there and all the do is lie and critisize!I'm amazed at people. Want another Washington beaurocrat in Office after all they have done to this Country?We must have human leaders with real experience!Sarah has proven herself in Alaska.That's what biased press doesn't tell you.They just want to get thier man in.
Proven herself in Alaska then all this controversy should not be surrounding her. Also did you think Barack Obama just started off wealthy and didn't work for his either HELLO. Anyway do you still think Palin is Middle Class or did anyone bother to read what her husband and her are worth, doesn't sound middle class to me sound like some of these wealthy senators huh ?LOL
there you go believing the press again and presenting yourself judge and jury over something that no-one really know exactly what happened and never will. I guarentee you that if I was in a high position and a man that represents the law tazered my nephew and threatened my dad's life he would not have a job!I personally would beat him to death!So job loss is nothing!I told you she was middle class most of her life and worked her way up to that level of pay
"I guarentee you that if I was in a high position and a man that represents the law tazered my nephew and threatened my dad's life he would not have a job!"
Well then why is their an investigation and no it's a lot more to it then what you believe.Okay so her working her way up is unique I don't understand when people say that. Rick Perry worked his way up what's your point.
lol are you kidding me she killed Biden?!Your Biden is apart of the problem!You've lost it dude. no offense but she didn't just udder sound bites.She had way more contact with middle class people than Biden..
While good jobs to all Americans are an important fact of life, I dont believe for a moment that it was a lack of jobs that caused this 700 billion mess.
A lot was due to Greed
The selfish desire for or pursuit of money or bigger homes
The lowering of Banking loan standards
Also the idea that we should push people into taking out big loans that they were not ready for yet.
When I got my loan for this little farm, I had to show my employment records going back in time to the point where the bank could see I have a proven track record of employment.
I also had to have a lot of money down too
I have no problem if banks did this in every case yet still lost money
Banking is a risk
But I do have a problem if the high standard I was held to was lowered for some people who then failed to pay back the loan.
But the Dems were trying to get mid and lower income people into their own homes. The lenders were taking advantage of these people by steering them into the more profitable"sub-Prime" mortgages.
But again the overall problem is wages. The GOP refused to raise the federal min. wage for 10 years. Under conservatives, union membership has plummeted. So again, people were keeping the economy going with debt.
The point is Palin lacks superlative intellect. Why do you accept mediocrity?
Compare Palin's educational background to other leaders. Compare the gibberish slogans and bumper sticker rhetoric coming out of her mouth to any speech given by any other world leader.
Here's what Newt,George Will and Peggy Noonan (Conservatives)have to say about her.
So the Governor of a bigger state is more qualified? With that logic Arny should be on the ticket. Oh wait he is a foriegner and he is also asking for a 7 billion bailout. Who's the Governor thats given more back to the people? I sure would like a check back from my state. And without increasing the state deficit.
Its not right wing logic. I am feed up with all of Washington. Dem or Rep. Its the far left wing logic that can't admit Dems screwed us too. I want someone that is not afraid to take on their own party when they are corrupt or wrong. She has a track record of that. Can't deny it. We need that right now. Charlie Rangle is corrupt and should be gone.
There is nobody in Washington that takes on their own party. Its always bipartisian bull crap.
alecjames4, If they're corrupt they eventually go down. Ted Stevens,Duke Cunningham,Tom Delay,etc. Don't get upset that the majority of them are GOP. Hey Rangel called the ethics commitee on himself. If they find misconduct he'll go down. And Jefferson(D)LA,"The freezer guy"?
What about the Justice Dept investigation?
Karl Rove,Atty Gen Gonzales and their minions.
Both parties are corrupt, but I'd rather have the DEMs lying about sex scandals ,than the GOP robbing me blind.
Palin just released her tax returns. She made $120,000 as Gov. and Todd made $60,000 as a fisherman and snow machine racer. I can relate more to that than the other 3 multi millionaires.
Well said Alan. I can relate to her big time. She is feed up with Washington. And everyone else should be too. She's the only one that is not part of the problem. McCain, Obama, and Biden are all part of the problem.
People need to be challenged and questioned regardless if they are on the same party. Palin is already challenging McCain on several things. Who cares about experience and the Katie C interview? Big deal! All the experience in Washington has gotten us where we are now.
Z, Any chance of Pelosi being taken down by Sheehan? I would like to see u honestly berate a Dem for once. Admit both parties screwed up. Pelosi promised the most ethical congress in history. Why does Rangle still have a job? I am mad as hell at all of Washington. Aren't u Z? Where are u at on Rangle, Pelosi and Frank? I admit Bush screwed up. C'mon now.
"Her supporters desire a leader that they can relate to, an average "Joe".Someone they can have a beer with."
But the point is they can't relate to her,how many rural middle american women do you know have a private plane at their disposal and yeah I know she sold it but still.
So all American don't love their family and the pregnancy thing? Do you think a 17 year old girl is ready for a child is that something be proud of. Now had it been somebody in the urban area everybody would've called them every name in the book. Also the young man didn't want kids so why force him into something he is not ready for and neither is the girl! Also being a beauty paegeant contestant you will be judged HELLO
"There are many things important in the life story of Palin that are also true of many women in this country."
Which is what and you don't think Biden and the tragedy that he went through losing his daughter and wife isn't something middle America can relate to since he had to raise his kids by himself a single parent?!
my dear friend i feel very sorry for Biden.I've had my share of personal tragety.I never said i didn't like Biden.I thank he did great at debating.Just fundamental differences divide us.I think he lied alot but i never said he was horrible at debating.
The trouble with her 17 year old daughter being a sad yet none the less very common point she shares with many mothers today.
No accept people tend to make a tragic situation when it could've prevented.. hello sex education ring a bell. I am quite sure Repubs wouldn't be sympathetic to an urban young lady they would call her stupid and irresponsible.
tanio12, don't ask me, I don't understand right wing logic.
They said Bush is someone they could have a beer with. He comes from a zillionaire east cost family,a trust fund baby who pretends to be a Texas cowboy. You tell me?
Palin is pulling the same wool over their eyes.Look what alecjames just posted! Todd and Sarah's net worth is $1.2 million, but he just posts their income tax figures. I don't get their logic.
So where do Obama and Biden fit in wealthiest Senators? McCain?
Nothing wrong with being wealthy, but if you continue to Cut your own taxes,then I call into question your motives.(Capital gains,estate taxes,corporate taxes) Most Americans do not pay these types of taxes.
AlanMolstad, My point is Alan that very wealthy people derive a major portion of their income from capital gains. The Average American sees capital gains very rarely.
As far as Estate taxes it was estates valued at $2.5 million, since raised to $5 million before the tax kicks in.
How do we pay for infrastructure,cops,firemen,schools,hospitals, if no one pays Taxes?
("How do we pay for infrastructure,cops,firemen") 700 Billion$ Think about that amount of money Add to it the extra 200 Billion used to sweeten the deal A 900 Billion bailout! What did we get for that money? How many new cops were hired? How many new firetrucks were ordered? What could NASA do with that 700 Billion? Face it, we just blew enough money to cure cancer, end unemployment forever etc etc Guaranteed the 700 Billion is enough?
wevas Im a very Fiscal Conservative. I dont like watching both Political Parties spending my money as they have been. The only way I see out of the national debt is to simply stop spending money. If you play the stock market? You risk the market Sorry but thats the way it is If a bank gives out loans to people who cant pay? Then the bank should fail Sorry but that keeps banks tight For every new program in Goverment spending we should have to cut one of equal value
I have to agree with Zennie here and also add that it is the overall conservative economic philosophy that has gotten us into this hole.
I urge you to research the Historical national debt data.
Compare revenue and spending patterns under GOP and Dem. The Gop talk the talk,the dems actually walk the walk.
The GOP is very adept at deception "Tax and spend,cut and run,flip-flop,liberal media and colleges" They do this to keep people clueless,while they rob the treasury.
That's what I'm saying Alan, look who spends the most,since Carter. Who initially asked for the $700B? Sec Paulson,Bush and Fed chairman Bernanke, this was their plan.
Again the Dems go along with it ,but this bailout is about saving the wealthy's behind.
Biden is #98 wealthiest Senator
Obama is a millionaire from his book sales($4mill)
McCain is a golddigger, $150 million.
Hank Paulson Has $500 miilion in GoldmanSachs stock. Do the Math!
Xsea, How can u just blame the Reps? I am a Rep and I admit Bush screwed up.The Dems are equally to blame. All of Washington is to blame. People that took out loans and knew they couldn't afford to pay them are to blame. Its sickening to see Pelosi,Frank, and Dodd patting themselves on the back like they saved the world with this bill.I'm glad Bill O'Rielly kicked the crap out of Frank on national TV. He stood up last week and said this isn't are fault.All of Washington should be voted out.
Rightwing ideology is rapidly turning America into a third world country. Oh well, at least we won't have gay marriage going on. Thanks Sarah "the Ditz" Palin.
zennie it's earlyh on a saturday morning..I haven't even had my morning tea so I really don't have the desire to explai anything that you can easily look up on Google.
The Drudge Report is a conservative site of course he is going to report that Palin won. We don't really know who even responded or what criteria Matt used to attain the results so of course no one with a fuctioning brain takes the Drudge Report seriously.
AlanMolstad
I though I requested that you NOT respond to any of my comments, you have a severe inability to think and frankly I can't stand it.
"Best way to keep someone from responding to any of your posts is to not respond to theirs first so they dont get an automatic notification"
Again with the Moronic comments. An even better way is to stop being so Goddamn Pavolian and responding merely because you receive an automatic notification dimwit,
i actually do have a grasp for the issues, being so young, but I most of the times explain to people at my school why they should vote Obama. And I have actually convinced kids to convince their parents to vote Obama, which I think is awesome!
Your an Idiot if you would want to vote for a guy who want to kill babies and allows Fags to get married! Get a little older and a little smarter, Obama is a socialist fool! All politicians are liars, there is no change, its a dang Lie! They all lie, Ask yourself why is all the rich giving him money if hes going to tax them? People dont want to pay taxes. He is going to help the rich like all of them! Corrupt morons all of them!
. how is it possible that someone who didnt answer any of the moderator's question or answer with incoherant rants win pray tell???... She made a fool of herself and John Macain
Well that was Mccain's fault for not vetting his candidate and listening to the right wingers dictate his path. In fact Sarah is acting like she is running the show,now why would you get somebody that would upstage you LOL.
hey zennie62 i watch the debate also .i think she lost due to the fact she refuse to answer some of the questions and the lady Gwen Ifill was maybe under some pressure not to make sarah palin answer some of the question ask. gwen should of told gov palin she must answer the questions beause the america people had the right to know. refuseing to let the people know what she thinks she should of lost by default . gov sarah palin had insulted all the american people who wanted to know who she is.
Funny thing is, I was watching the fox news round table and they were taking a census of their e-mails to see who "america" thought one the debate.
They proceeded to celebrate because their e-mails were 84% in favor of Palin. And I wonder about the people out there that don't realize that the majority of people that watch fox news are Conservatives. Of course they are going to present Palin as the victor. They cited other conservative "sources" as well.
Also, the poll of did Sara Palin exceed the expectations. Overwhelmingly she did. But that's not necessarily a positive either. Her expectations were so low, that unless she came out and fell on her face, or did the deer in the headlights, she had a GOOD chance to exceed her expectations.
It's mainly how victory is described in a debate. People saying "Alright, she didn't screw it up. That means she won!" are pretty short sighted individuals imo.
Don't believe everything you read on the internet. In fact, don't believe most of it -god knows who put the information there. Moreover, The Drudge Report is a joke; nothing but a right wing rumor platform.
The poll you are referring to was done by Fox News, and it was a text poll. Considering that most people who watch fox news are already fairly biased toward McCain/Palin, the results are not surprising. It was in no way a conventional poll.
I totally agree with you 100%, Just because Sarah Palin did not screw up like everyone thought she was, does not mean she did well. She dodged a lot of questions in changing the subject, and was never clear on what she stood on.
shut the fuck up you sawed off sambo jiggaboo and go back to shining shoes
The6000Sabre 1 year ago
Morons and sheep people you are! Obama and Biden are Liars, do your research!
PLUMCRAZYFIREARMS 2 years ago
if i had a gun, i would have it on me at all times! why? because it's a war everywhere we go!
BoogieBear1989 2 years ago
Half of the people in this coutry can't even point South carolina on a map. Let alone knows any fact or issues about the Election.
Dblock7185 3 years ago
I do give credit to PLUMCRAZYFIREARMS for finding a way to use the word "gun" so many times ...LOL
AlanMolstad 3 years ago
Im stripping down.......you boys watching???? send me a message
1qzxqzx1 3 years ago
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PLUMCRAZYFIREARMS 3 years ago
ok, ok, hes not taking your guns away there. anyway, in canada, were not allowed to carry guns at ALL!! (yay) the only time you have a gun is if your out in the bush in the hunting season.
Obama just wants everyone keep the guns inside the house locked up kind of thing.
There is NO reason or the excuse of carrying guns around unless your a police officer that is on the job. make sence? YES!!! OF COURSE
~~Canadian
jaheira2016 3 years ago
@PLUMCRAZYFIREARMS,
reading this makes me wounder if everyone smokes weed... First of all, the minute a politician proposes to take guns away, you will have immediate revolution. Second of all, do you think McCain would not take our guns away? I say yes. And thrid of all, get a book and lear what Marxism & Socialism are. I'm not politically affiliated with them, but I do read. Marxism & Socialsim have been used as a mask for totalitarians, but they aren't what you think...
xx9933yyzz 1 year ago
@PLUMCRAZYFIREARMS ,
Karl Marx wrote his philosophy, known as Marxism/Communism, out of desperation of the conditions of the working poor. According to him, the lower classes, or the proletariate, should be in a better position than the oligarcs, or the rich. Also, they must all share things with each other in order to prevent greed and avarice. Early Christianity lived in this way according to the book of Acts.
xx9933yyzz 1 year ago
@PLUMCRAZYFIREARMS ,
Socialism is similar to what Marx said, but on a lesser scale. Famous socialists include Eugene Debs, George Orwell (actually, he calls himself a democratic socialist), Emma Goldman, and in a way, the recently deceased Howard Zinn. All in all, they tried to imprive the conditions of the working poor and the lower classes from the abuses of the rich and powerful.
Like I said, Marxism and Socialsm have been used as masks for dictatorship.
xx9933yyzz 1 year ago
they call me eye candy
convoy1999 3 years ago
Republicans are fcking obnoxious, that's the only reason people fall for their pathetic bullsht.
Sshelly34213 3 years ago
Palin rarely answered the questions put to her, preferring instead to haphazardly regurgitate hackneyed phrases drummed into her head by career speech writers. Only a fool would want such a vacuous creature to be a heartbeat away from the presidency.
Virtually all polls show that Biden won the debate. Many who were initially impressed by Palin at the RNC are now dismayed. Her approval ratings continue to drop. The patina has lost its luster; substance does matter.
COM0fAek 3 years ago 2
I am LOVING your comments. So so so true.
ahr2107 3 years ago
your an idiot.
lareneg72 3 years ago
Palin won hands down
jpow7500 3 years ago
Love'n you, Zennie!!!!
rudolfforever 3 years ago
awesome zeenie! i'm also getting sick and tired of people saying she did good. I say "Yay she did good if she was debating in an elementry school, but this is a vp debate" can't just let palin pass saying well she didn't fall on her face
blaxican2000 3 years ago
Palin won, sure Biden is a smooth talker, but all he did was lie.
winthiswar 3 years ago
REP. CHUCK BALDWIN - endorsed by Ron Paul. He is the ONLY candidate that promises to defend and protect our Constitution and our Sovereignty!
IT IS OUR TURN TO STAND UP FOR OUR REPUBLIC AND MAKE A REAL CHANGE HAPPEN - VOTING AGAINST DEMOCRATIC AND REPUBLICAN RULE IS THE BEGINNING!
catenhat 3 years ago
hahaha he said sarah biden
CPhockeyplayer 3 years ago
he said senator biden
ggullet 3 years ago
Biden won
RumbleHD 3 years ago
(note to zennie62; If I ever use the word "HELLO" in any of my posts, shoot me, Shoot me down like a dog)
AlanMolstad 3 years ago
"(note to zennie62; If I ever use the word "HELLO" in any of my posts, shoot me, Shoot me down like a dog)"
Well you better pull out your gun and make sure you don't miss. Anyway back to the subject.
tanio12 3 years ago
hello? are you there??? do you live on planet fucking earth??!? do u know anything about obama's background about him having no money or status. his dad left him when he was 2
i think that was what tanio was getting at when he said hello.
bishopdonwaun 3 years ago
("She's a loser")
I would say "She is THE loser"
The loser of the debate, not within her character.
I believe that she clearly did not take charge of the debate
Nor did she have answers that I would judge better than Biden's answers.
She did win a few points during the debate, and Biden was very wrong about what he said of the role of the VP in the Constitution.
AlanMolstad 3 years ago
Palin lost the debate by most standards you might use to judge such things by,
Except for one thing...
She and Biden both actually did what they came there to do.
She came to reassure the Repub base and she did that
So in that way it's a wash as to who really won or lost.
And being she had the most to lose I give her the edge
AlanMolstad 3 years ago
"So in that way it's a wash as to who really won or lost.
And being she had the most to lose I give her the edge"
Had the most to lose? She still will be in a losing position because she will not be able to control the setting. It is the reason why katie nailed her to the wall and expect more Katies to come.
tanio12 3 years ago
i don't watch tv btw ..I research but really it's a no-brainer .I lived during these times.I'm 44 years old.I see you've decided to sensor me too.. figgers..lol
cliffhanger42 3 years ago
thanks but I'm really amazed at people.The lack of accountability that has come from the Democrats and you missed it?Fannie Mae and Fannie mac and the books being cooked were democrat ideas of which Obama was a part of and you say Biden won?He lied dude. 14 times he lied and he won?Look at his answers.She identified beter with middle class America.I guess you people want the problem to stay in Washington?I guess you think raising taxes on buisnesses will generate jobs right? wrong!(part 1)
cliffhanger42 3 years ago
"he identified beter with middle class America.I guess you people want the problem to stay in Washington?I guess you think raising taxes on buisnesses will generate jobs right? wrong!(part 1)"
Well what strategy did she come up with to create jobs what is the strategy?How did she identify with Middle America what did she say that would affect Middle America? People kill me with that she identifies with Middle America, in what way?!
tanio12 3 years ago
You should know Palin is and has been middle class all of her life.She worked hard to get where she came from..Maybe you should look at your very wealthy candidates.America got them there and all the do is lie and critisize!I'm amazed at people. Want another Washington beaurocrat in Office after all they have done to this Country?We must have human leaders with real experience!Sarah has proven herself in Alaska.That's what biased press doesn't tell you.They just want to get thier man in.
cliffhanger42 3 years ago
We must have human leaders with real experience!
Proven herself in Alaska then all this controversy should not be surrounding her. Also did you think Barack Obama just started off wealthy and didn't work for his either HELLO. Anyway do you still think Palin is Middle Class or did anyone bother to read what her husband and her are worth, doesn't sound middle class to me sound like some of these wealthy senators huh ?LOL
tanio12 3 years ago
there you go believing the press again and presenting yourself judge and jury over something that no-one really know exactly what happened and never will. I guarentee you that if I was in a high position and a man that represents the law tazered my nephew and threatened my dad's life he would not have a job!I personally would beat him to death!So job loss is nothing!I told you she was middle class most of her life and worked her way up to that level of pay
cliffhanger42 3 years ago
.$160,000 according to dems isn't rich but 250.000 is remember?middle class according to obama/biden is below $250,000
cliffhanger42 3 years ago
"I guarentee you that if I was in a high position and a man that represents the law tazered my nephew and threatened my dad's life he would not have a job!"
Well then why is their an investigation and no it's a lot more to it then what you believe.Okay so her working her way up is unique I don't understand when people say that. Rick Perry worked his way up what's your point.
tanio12 3 years ago
("We must have human leaders with real experience!")
When I read that quote I had to smile...
I mean human leaders as opposed to what Invader ZIM?
AlanMolstad 3 years ago
lol are you kidding me she killed Biden?!Your Biden is apart of the problem!You've lost it dude. no offense but she didn't just udder sound bites.She had way more contact with middle class people than Biden..
cliffhanger42 3 years ago
While good jobs to all Americans are an important fact of life, I dont believe for a moment that it was a lack of jobs that caused this 700 billion mess.
A lot was due to Greed
The selfish desire for or pursuit of money or bigger homes
The lowering of Banking loan standards
Also the idea that we should push people into taking out big loans that they were not ready for yet.
AlanMolstad 3 years ago
When I got my loan for this little farm, I had to show my employment records going back in time to the point where the bank could see I have a proven track record of employment.
I also had to have a lot of money down too
I have no problem if banks did this in every case yet still lost money
Banking is a risk
But I do have a problem if the high standard I was held to was lowered for some people who then failed to pay back the loan.
AlanMolstad 3 years ago
I also have a big problem with banks that make loans that clearly were out of the range of people to pay off.
I have seen examples where people were given a loan with little money down based on their "promise" to find work or a better paying job?
We should have had hearings!
We should have settled this bank by bank and not just toss 700 billion at the problem and hope thats enough
AlanMolstad 3 years ago
Ok you have a point.
But the Dems were trying to get mid and lower income people into their own homes. The lenders were taking advantage of these people by steering them into the more profitable"sub-Prime" mortgages.
But again the overall problem is wages. The GOP refused to raise the federal min. wage for 10 years. Under conservatives, union membership has plummeted. So again, people were keeping the economy going with debt.
Bootstraps economics.
wervasdeferens 3 years ago
("But the Dems were trying to get mid and lower income people into their own homes")
Thats a fine noble Goal.
And I got no problem with lowering taxes to encourage job growth in the private sector.
But you dont help the poor by making it easyer to take out a monster home loan!
AlanMolstad 3 years ago
The point is Palin lacks superlative intellect. Why do you accept mediocrity?
Compare Palin's educational background to other leaders. Compare the gibberish slogans and bumper sticker rhetoric coming out of her mouth to any speech given by any other world leader.
Here's what Newt,George Will and Peggy Noonan (Conservatives)have to say about her.
watch?v=RAKjJOnVD60
watch?v=TDBW0SbDxPo
wervasdeferens 3 years ago
So the Governor of a bigger state is more qualified? With that logic Arny should be on the ticket. Oh wait he is a foriegner and he is also asking for a 7 billion bailout. Who's the Governor thats given more back to the people? I sure would like a check back from my state. And without increasing the state deficit.
alecjames4 3 years ago
Its not right wing logic. I am feed up with all of Washington. Dem or Rep. Its the far left wing logic that can't admit Dems screwed us too. I want someone that is not afraid to take on their own party when they are corrupt or wrong. She has a track record of that. Can't deny it. We need that right now. Charlie Rangle is corrupt and should be gone.
There is nobody in Washington that takes on their own party. Its always bipartisian bull crap.
alecjames4 3 years ago
alecjames4, If they're corrupt they eventually go down. Ted Stevens,Duke Cunningham,Tom Delay,etc. Don't get upset that the majority of them are GOP. Hey Rangel called the ethics commitee on himself. If they find misconduct he'll go down. And Jefferson(D)LA,"The freezer guy"?
What about the Justice Dept investigation?
Karl Rove,Atty Gen Gonzales and their minions.
Both parties are corrupt, but I'd rather have the DEMs lying about sex scandals ,than the GOP robbing me blind.
wervasdeferens 3 years ago
SARAH BIDEN?
bruisedkiwi 3 years ago
werv, Or about Detroit?
alecjames4 3 years ago
LOL, you had to go there?
wervasdeferens 3 years ago
Hey alec, don't bring up Kilpatrick. Alaska has the highest incidence of Rape per capita of any other state. I can go tit for tat all day! LOL
wervasdeferens 3 years ago
Alan and Alec, It's not just experience that she lacks, it's perspective and knowledge.
Alaska is nothing like the lower 48. She has lived a small town extremely rural life.
Most Americans live in cities with a population greater than her entire state.
She has no clue about what goes on in most American cities, let alone the world.
Can you even compare her being Governor with being Mayor of L.A.,N.Y.,Chicago,Dallas,Houston, etc.?
wervasdeferens 3 years ago
("She has lived a small town extremely rural life.")
Hey me too!
Cool!
Ever think about what a Gov or Pres does?
Both are office jobs (No heavy lifting)
It's Administrative, hence the term "Administration" when talking about them.
The Gov and Pres control departments and propose budget
Horse trade with the legislature
Both a Gov and Pres are a Executive branch of Goverment not legislative
As Gov Clinton once said, the position of a Gov is a good step to the Presidency
AlanMolstad 3 years ago
And Gov Sebellius, or Napolitano or even Granholm (forgive spelling), are heads and shoulders above Palin.
What's Alaska"s Budget?
Are you trying to tell me that being Mayor of Wasilla is the same as being Mayor of New York?
Are you trying to rationalize that just because she was elected to her executive positions,means she's qualified by default.
Look, Alaska is full of lonely,horny outdoorsmen. Do the Math!
Palin is clueless,she wears her skirts well.
wervasdeferens 3 years ago
I believe my point is that being a Gov is a good step to understanding the position of being President.
The truth is there is nothing "like" the job of being the President
But being a Gov is as close as you can get
Remember, being a peanut farmer is not the same as being a Gov or later Pres
Nor is being a rail-splitter the same as leading a country during a time of war.
But you can go from one job to another without breaking any rules
AlanMolstad 3 years ago
Zennie,You did mean Sarah Palin right?
jimisback 3 years ago
("Who cares about experience and the Katie C interview? Big deal!")
Anyone think the 3 guys that got us into the war in Iraq (Cheney Rumsfeld & Powell) lacked experience?
Didnt really help us all that much that they were the smartest guys in the room now did it?
Seems good old Common Sense is important too
Sometimes more...
AlanMolstad 3 years ago
Palin just released her tax returns. She made $120,000 as Gov. and Todd made $60,000 as a fisherman and snow machine racer. I can relate more to that than the other 3 multi millionaires.
alecjames4 3 years ago
Well said Alan. I can relate to her big time. She is feed up with Washington. And everyone else should be too. She's the only one that is not part of the problem. McCain, Obama, and Biden are all part of the problem.
People need to be challenged and questioned regardless if they are on the same party. Palin is already challenging McCain on several things. Who cares about experience and the Katie C interview? Big deal! All the experience in Washington has gotten us where we are now.
alecjames4 3 years ago
The Dem controlled congress didn't have to go along with Bush. Where's the check and balance? They all need to go.
alecjames4 3 years ago
Z, Any chance of Pelosi being taken down by Sheehan? I would like to see u honestly berate a Dem for once. Admit both parties screwed up. Pelosi promised the most ethical congress in history. Why does Rangle still have a job? I am mad as hell at all of Washington. Aren't u Z? Where are u at on Rangle, Pelosi and Frank? I admit Bush screwed up. C'mon now.
alecjames4 3 years ago
Zennie, the last question you posed is the crux of the problem with the electorate.
For those that support Palin the answer is NO.
Her supporters desire a leader that they can relate to, an average "Joe".Someone they can have a beer with.
They don't have a grasp of the issues and neither does Sarah Palin,they relate quite well.
BTW,Where are you taping this? Looks more like East Coast than Oak Town. LOL
wervasdeferens 3 years ago
"Her supporters desire a leader that they can relate to, an average "Joe".Someone they can have a beer with."
But the point is they can't relate to her,how many rural middle american women do you know have a private plane at their disposal and yeah I know she sold it but still.
tanio12 3 years ago
"But the point is they can't relate to her"
Im not so sure
She is a working women in a field dominated by men
She has a unmarried daughter thats pregnant
She has a Down Syndrome baby herself
People gossip about her all the time
People look for her to screw up and when she does even slightly she is made to look the fool
She clearly loves her family
People judge her appearance more than a man
People say she should not work just because she has kids when they never say that of men
AlanMolstad 3 years ago
She has a unmarried daughter thats pregnant
So all American don't love their family and the pregnancy thing? Do you think a 17 year old girl is ready for a child is that something be proud of. Now had it been somebody in the urban area everybody would've called them every name in the book. Also the young man didn't want kids so why force him into something he is not ready for and neither is the girl! Also being a beauty paegeant contestant you will be judged HELLO
tanio12 3 years ago
Tanio perhaps I need to say that again,
I reject the idea that no one can identify with Obama or Palin just because they now earn tons more money than both of us.
There are many things important in the life story of Palin that are also true of many women in this country.
The trouble with her 17 year old daughter being a sad yet none the less very common point she shares with many mothers today.
AlanMolstad 3 years ago
"There are many things important in the life story of Palin that are also true of many women in this country."
Which is what and you don't think Biden and the tragedy that he went through losing his daughter and wife isn't something middle America can relate to since he had to raise his kids by himself a single parent?!
tanio12 3 years ago
Oh I would say that Biden/Obama/Palin/McCain have all had experiences that we can identify with.
At the same time there are other experiences that some of them have had (POW in Vietnam) that via God's Grace few of us can understand.
The point I was making was only dealing with the comment made here that no one can identify with Palin,
I disagree
AlanMolstad 3 years ago
my dear friend i feel very sorry for Biden.I've had my share of personal tragety.I never said i didn't like Biden.I thank he did great at debating.Just fundamental differences divide us.I think he lied alot but i never said he was horrible at debating.
cliffhanger42 3 years ago
The trouble with her 17 year old daughter being a sad yet none the less very common point she shares with many mothers today.
No accept people tend to make a tragic situation when it could've prevented.. hello sex education ring a bell. I am quite sure Repubs wouldn't be sympathetic to an urban young lady they would call her stupid and irresponsible.
tanio12 3 years ago
("Repubs wouldn't be sympathetic to an urban young lady they would call her stupid and irresponsible")
Perhaps so,
But I would hope they would also call the unborn child a "blessing"
For all children truly are a blessing sent from above.
AlanMolstad 3 years ago
tanio12, don't ask me, I don't understand right wing logic.
They said Bush is someone they could have a beer with. He comes from a zillionaire east cost family,a trust fund baby who pretends to be a Texas cowboy. You tell me?
Palin is pulling the same wool over their eyes.Look what alecjames just posted! Todd and Sarah's net worth is $1.2 million, but he just posts their income tax figures. I don't get their logic.
wervasdeferens 3 years ago
Is Sarah Palin a "trust fund baby"?
Jesse Jackson once defended his millions by saying that it's wrong to just look at a current bank account and pre-judge the person by it.
You have to take into account where the person came from?
Where in life did they start out at?
But it is true most of the Senators in Congress are the children of wealth.
But some in this election have had to work hard to reach their achievements.
AlanMolstad 3 years ago
Good Points, Alan
So where do Obama and Biden fit in wealthiest Senators? McCain?
Nothing wrong with being wealthy, but if you continue to Cut your own taxes,then I call into question your motives.(Capital gains,estate taxes,corporate taxes) Most Americans do not pay these types of taxes.
wervasdeferens 3 years ago
Capital gains tax hits us when we sell a house.
It hit me big time when my dad died and I had to return home to care for mom.
Estate tax hits us as children when our parents pass and we attempt to find the money to pay for the funerals
Thats when this stuff hit me
Before that happend to me I didnt have a clue about such taxes
Who does?
Let me tell you, when you see the Goverment reaching in to snach away money that your dad already paied the tax on?
That ticks a guy off
AlanMolstad 3 years ago
AlanMolstad, My point is Alan that very wealthy people derive a major portion of their income from capital gains. The Average American sees capital gains very rarely.
As far as Estate taxes it was estates valued at $2.5 million, since raised to $5 million before the tax kicks in.
How do we pay for infrastructure,cops,firemen,schools,hospitals, if no one pays Taxes?
I know do it GOP style, DEBT!
wervasdeferens 3 years ago
AlanMolstad 3 years ago
"Guaranteed the 700 Billion is enough? "
So True, add a Trillion$ War.
It's time to take our country back!
REVOLUTION?
wervasdeferens 3 years ago
AlanMolstad 3 years ago
AlanMolstad
I have to agree with Zennie here and also add that it is the overall conservative economic philosophy that has gotten us into this hole.
I urge you to research the Historical national debt data.
Compare revenue and spending patterns under GOP and Dem. The Gop talk the talk,the dems actually walk the walk.
The GOP is very adept at deception "Tax and spend,cut and run,flip-flop,liberal media and colleges" They do this to keep people clueless,while they rob the treasury.
wervasdeferens 3 years ago
("overall conservative economic philosophy that has gotten us into this hole")
Please understand I dont see any sign of a conservative economic philosophy in Washington!
All I see is tax and spend
All I see is a rush to spend 700 Billion and not hold even one hearing to see if thats going to fix the problem or just make things worse?
Anyone in Congress guarantee the 700 Billion will be all thats needed?
Anyone at all say we will get the money back "Guaranteed"?
AlanMolstad 3 years ago
That's what I'm saying Alan, look who spends the most,since Carter. Who initially asked for the $700B? Sec Paulson,Bush and Fed chairman Bernanke, this was their plan.
Again the Dems go along with it ,but this bailout is about saving the wealthy's behind.
Biden is #98 wealthiest Senator
Obama is a millionaire from his book sales($4mill)
McCain is a golddigger, $150 million.
Hank Paulson Has $500 miilion in GoldmanSachs stock. Do the Math!
wervasdeferens 3 years ago
I believe almost everyone in Congress is a millionaire.
One way or the other they all seem to have ended up with a lot of cash.
I dont have anything against that.
I respect the ones who worked hard to earn the big bucks, and envy the ones born to it...LOL
AlanMolstad 3 years ago
Ok Alan, but Palin is still woefully out of her league. LOL Have a good day!
See you on the next Zennie vid!
wervasdeferens 3 years ago
("Ok Alan, but Palin is still woefully out of her league")
Very true.
She is only on the ticket to firm up the support of the Pro-Life/Social Conservative wing of the Republican Party.
That seems very clear to me.
What she lacks next to McCain is clear enough for all to see
But also what should be clear is what she brings to the ticket something key that McCain lacks and needs.
AlanMolstad 3 years ago
("but this bailout is about saving the wealthy's behind")
Well said!
Its amazing how almost overnight all Congress became experts in Trickle-down economics!
Telling us that if we save the butts of guys in expensive suits with 700 Billion it will all "trickle-down" to us in Bib Overalls
AlanMolstad 3 years ago
Xsea, How can u just blame the Reps? I am a Rep and I admit Bush screwed up.The Dems are equally to blame. All of Washington is to blame. People that took out loans and knew they couldn't afford to pay them are to blame. Its sickening to see Pelosi,Frank, and Dodd patting themselves on the back like they saved the world with this bill.I'm glad Bill O'Rielly kicked the crap out of Frank on national TV. He stood up last week and said this isn't are fault.All of Washington should be voted out.
alecjames4 3 years ago
alecjames4
I agree both parties are at fault.
But whose fault is it overall? The Pied Piper or the Rats that follow? Do you blame the sheep or the Big Bad wolf?
The Repubs are the ones who initiate the mess.
"The Sky is falling, let's invade Iraq,The Sky is Falling, give us $700 billion."
The Repubs are the Satan here, the Dems are the sheep.
wervasdeferens 3 years ago
("The Repubs are the Satan here, the Dems are the sheep")
Yes sheep to the slaughter
Well said Wervasdeferens!
I also think President Bush was the Drum Majorette for this Panic Parade...
AlanMolstad 3 years ago
I do like to see O'Rielly kick butt.
and I do NOT concider the banking troubles any of my fault at all...
I do NOT think my tax money should be spent bailing out guys that dress way better than I ever will.
This was not Armageddon
This was another ripoff of the Joe six-pack guys like myself who are defenceless when both Political Parties unite with the President.
Where is the voice of restraint against Bush anymore?
AlanMolstad 3 years ago
Sound bites are flying out of Joe's mouth too.
"Change, change, changitty change change". "More Bush. More of the same"
Still biased stuff her. When Keith Olberman gets fired for having the lowest ratings. Maybe u could take his place.
alecjames4 3 years ago
Rightwing ideology is rapidly turning America into a third world country. Oh well, at least we won't have gay marriage going on. Thanks Sarah "the Ditz" Palin.
xseagramx 3 years ago
Actually I have found Zennie's voice about the most easy to hear on YouTube.
Zennie presents himself well to the camera
He cares what he says, but also the way he says them and in the way his lighting and clothes reflect on the tone he wants to get across to us.
This video is taken outdoors and I for one enjoy this change of sceney.
(However the Obama/McCain debate video did have a cool TV in the background)
AlanMolstad 3 years ago 2
"What? Explain this.. "
zennie it's earlyh on a saturday morning..I haven't even had my morning tea so I really don't have the desire to explai anything that you can easily look up on Google.
lezxotic 3 years ago
"Listen carefully, I said Senater, RATHER than Senator. A mistake in quickly talking, but not Sarah. I think it's you who has it whatevers LOL!!!"
Then you need Speech Therapy just cause you understand it in your head doesn't mean the rest of the viewers do. Articulate.
lezxotic 3 years ago
At the Beginning of this vlog you referred to Joe Biden as "Sarah Biden". Man you got it BAD for her don't you?
lezxotic 3 years ago
Your kidding?
I got to back and see that too...LOL
AlanMolstad 3 years ago
If you are talking at the "S______ Biden" spoken in the video at the 5-second mark?
Then I think if you listen very closely (Its fast I admit) you can just hear Zennie say "Senator Biden" not "Sarah Biden"
AlanMolstad 3 years ago
Zennie
The Drudge Report is a conservative site of course he is going to report that Palin won. We don't really know who even responded or what criteria Matt used to attain the results so of course no one with a fuctioning brain takes the Drudge Report seriously.
AlanMolstad
I though I requested that you NOT respond to any of my comments, you have a severe inability to think and frankly I can't stand it.
lezxotic 3 years ago
("AlanMolstad I though I requested that you NOT respond to any of my comments, you have a severe inability to think and frankly I can't stand it")
Ahh, another satisfied customer!
(I get an email notice whenever someone responds to my YouTube posts
Best way to keep someone from responding to any of your posts is to not respond to theirs first so they dont get an automatic notification)
AlanMolstad 3 years ago
"Best way to keep someone from responding to any of your posts is to not respond to theirs first so they dont get an automatic notification"
Again with the Moronic comments. An even better way is to stop being so Goddamn Pavolian and responding merely because you receive an automatic notification dimwit,
lezxotic 3 years ago
Biden could have phoned it in and still won this debate
It was that easy for him
And lets face it, it should be more easy to him because how many of these national TV debates has he been in as he ran for President?
Palin did an average job, she had the most at risk and so she deserves credit for doing her best.
AlanMolstad 3 years ago
The odd thing I noticed is how baddly Biden scred up the question of the role of the Vice President.
He seems to be confused about the Constatution's duties given the VP and if it's a Legislative or Executive position?
(It's Legislative Joe)
AlanMolstad 3 years ago
Article One of the United States Constitution describes the powers of the legislative branch of the United States government,
Section 3Clause 4: Vice President as President of Senate; Voting Power during tie.
So it is in the LEGISLATIVE section of the Constitution that it grants the Vice Pres his powers and duties.
Sarah is correct
Biden is in error on this point
GOOGLE it...
AlanMolstad 3 years ago
"Palin did an average job, she had the most at risk and so she deserves credit for doing her best."
Then so does Joe.
lezxotic 3 years ago
Both Joe and Sarah shine bright today as a result of what they did during the debate.
Sarah a bit brighter thats all...
Both did themselves proud.
Joe maintained the momentum he had going into the debate
and Sarah stopped the "slide" of Republicans away from the ticket.
Both played well to their base
AlanMolstad 3 years ago
i actually do have a grasp for the issues, being so young, but I most of the times explain to people at my school why they should vote Obama. And I have actually convinced kids to convince their parents to vote Obama, which I think is awesome!
spiderman123321 3 years ago
Good For YOU!
lezxotic 3 years ago
yeah!!! Obama/Biden 08! I wish i could vote though, but I'm only 13. :(
spiderman123321 3 years ago
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lezxotic 3 years ago
Your an Idiot if you would want to vote for a guy who want to kill babies and allows Fags to get married! Get a little older and a little smarter, Obama is a socialist fool! All politicians are liars, there is no change, its a dang Lie! They all lie, Ask yourself why is all the rich giving him money if hes going to tax them? People dont want to pay taxes. He is going to help the rich like all of them! Corrupt morons all of them!
PLUMCRAZYFIREARMS 3 years ago
Shut the fuck pussy!!!!
coreydmont 3 years ago
. how is it possible that someone who didnt answer any of the moderator's question or answer with incoherant rants win pray tell???... She made a fool of herself and John Macain
pearls4ann 3 years ago
"She made a fool of herself and John Macain"
Well that was Mccain's fault for not vetting his candidate and listening to the right wingers dictate his path. In fact Sarah is acting like she is running the show,now why would you get somebody that would upstage you LOL.
tanio12 3 years ago
Anyone who thinks Palin did well in that debate is just as stupid as she is....
pearls4ann 3 years ago 4
"Anyone who thinks Palin did well in that debate is just as stupid as she is...."
Well if you have the bar set low and the questions already in the can well expect a lot of stupid people to say she won LOL
tanio12 3 years ago
hey zennie62 i watch the debate also .i think she lost due to the fact she refuse to answer some of the questions and the lady Gwen Ifill was maybe under some pressure not to make sarah palin answer some of the question ask. gwen should of told gov palin she must answer the questions beause the america people had the right to know. refuseing to let the people know what she thinks she should of lost by default . gov sarah palin had insulted all the american people who wanted to know who she is.
foxwyzard 3 years ago
Zennie you are the man and you nailed it at the end.Enough said
tanio12 3 years ago 2
False facts were there to be had from both candidates.Judging just by substance is not good enough when the truth was not said.
phillipah7 3 years ago
Funny thing is, I was watching the fox news round table and they were taking a census of their e-mails to see who "america" thought one the debate.
They proceeded to celebrate because their e-mails were 84% in favor of Palin. And I wonder about the people out there that don't realize that the majority of people that watch fox news are Conservatives. Of course they are going to present Palin as the victor. They cited other conservative "sources" as well.
I had a nice chuckle.
FroLogic 3 years ago
Also, the poll of did Sara Palin exceed the expectations. Overwhelmingly she did. But that's not necessarily a positive either. Her expectations were so low, that unless she came out and fell on her face, or did the deer in the headlights, she had a GOOD chance to exceed her expectations.
It's mainly how victory is described in a debate. People saying "Alright, she didn't screw it up. That means she won!" are pretty short sighted individuals imo.
FroLogic 3 years ago
Don't believe everything you read on the internet. In fact, don't believe most of it -god knows who put the information there. Moreover, The Drudge Report is a joke; nothing but a right wing rumor platform.
The poll you are referring to was done by Fox News, and it was a text poll. Considering that most people who watch fox news are already fairly biased toward McCain/Palin, the results are not surprising. It was in no way a conventional poll.
It could also have been rigged. Who knows...
bluecafe22 3 years ago 2
I totally agree with you 100%, Just because Sarah Palin did not screw up like everyone thought she was, does not mean she did well. She dodged a lot of questions in changing the subject, and was never clear on what she stood on.
Ionic009 3 years ago 3