ISKCON preaches that MAD MEN are gurus (Jayapataka swami)

[108gopis]

Srila Prabhupada did not leave a letter of authorisation for any of his disciples to take over the sankirtana movement of Lord Chaitanya.The founder is the one giving divya-jnana.

[3rk4u]

these cockroach gurus will all be forgotton in twenty years and iskon will fail,but prabhupads books and name will live forever,1 sentence from prabhupad is more potent than a thousand books written by fony,s,anything written prior to 1978 will be known as truth,after that any litrature will be frowned upon and known to be bogus.

[pada1008]

@SuperBhagavadGitaNo I never said gurus are mad, the ISKCON GBC wrote a paper saying "gurus go mad after money, women and followers." In 1988 Gaura Govinda wrote the GBC paper - ISKCON gurus are sometimes demons. Sorry the story of all these mad gurus has been in all the world news medias and perhaps the Russians simply read about it and decided they did not want a pedophile acharya cult in their back yard. ISKCON just buried a pedophile in Vrndavana, they worship pedophiles as their messiahs.

[pada1008]

@dampandmoist No, the GBC offers bhogha to their illicit sex with men, women and children messiahs, and calls that prasadam, so -- since you say offering food to a children molesting cult is prasadam, you are not as smart as a cannibal witch doctor. Even the cannibals do not offer their food to illicit sex with men, women and children like you do? So, first you need to join the cannibals and elevate yourself a little bit before you can speak on anything. You are offering to perverts. ys

[ThinkofKrishna]

Botton line,,,Pure devotees DO NOT fall down! Thanks for vid. Thanks for being honest!

[dridricananda]

Srila Prabhupada only Guru of isckon!!!! The rest, are devils,gread,and a lot of fake things!

[mickjapa108]

This person is just a fool, Guru can never fall down. these so called sanyasi's that fall down NEVER was Guru, thats why they fall down, exepting sanyasa before full realization,before full surender is one cause. Prabhupada gave instruction on who is Guru, take the time to understand who is Guru, dont be a sheep following blindly ask the right questions and learn from the perfect master what the right answers should be, many are there just to fool people, it is kali yuga, after all.

[pada1008]

@mahabrahmana Its in the Nectar of Instruction, anyone who imitates the uttama (and is accepting sins) will eventually become degraded. Not only that, the GBC THEMSELVES says their gurus are falling down from taking sins, so they know about this verse, and the know they are violating it. Prabhupada told us not to let people touch our feet of you will be acting as a guru, taking sins, and you will GET SICK AND FALL DOWN. He told Bahudak not to give away chanting beads, you accept karma. ys 

[pada1008]

@mahabrahmana Kanisthas are not supposed to take karma, Prabhupada says that if the kanistha takes post of guru and absorbs sins: he "will eventually become degraded" (Nectar Of Instruction) and he also said the neophytes will fall down, get sick or both. And yet the GBC says that they were ordered to become diksha gurus, fall down and get sick etc.? No, they were ordered not to do that. Now the idiot Jayapataka folks are saying he got sick because he took sins, what a pack of fools. ys pd

[pada1008]

@mahabrahmana Right in Hrdayananda's bhagwatam it says all glories to Bhavananda vishnupada and Kirtanananda bhakti pada, yep your bhagawatam worships taxi driver swill. ys pd

[pada1008]

@mahabrahmana Hansadutta was getting his people to buy him schnops, percodans, and all that because he said he was having headaches from taking sins. When he fell down he said that was from taking sins. When Satsvarupa fell down his followers told me that was from taking sins, your program is saying these people are absorbing sins like Jesus, I am simply reporting on what your guru and his team are saying, that people engaged in Taxi driver swill driniking are like Jesus.

[pada1008]

@mahabrahmana You say they are kanisthas, not them? For example Indradyumna, Satsvarupa, Jayatirtha and many other GBC gurus say they are getting sick from taking sins, that means they think they are like Jesus, so they are saying they are like Jesus, they are absorbing sins. They say they are messiahs who are absorbing sins, I never said that, they said that. They said they are falling down from taking so many sins, so they are Jesus and they are taking sins, they say they are Jesus not me?

[pada1008]

@mahabrahmana You have evaded your original point and switched topics. You are the one who said that you have a guru in the current ISKCON, and you said your guru hates some of the other gurus. You never explained which previous acharyas hated one another? Then, you said you are "smarter and could do better" than most of these acharyas, that means you are saying you are superior to the acharyas. Krishna says the acharyas speak as He dictates, you are thus claiming to be better than Krishna.

[pada1008]

@mahabrahmana You said it, you are smarter and better than guru, Krishna says he dictates to guru, and you over took and over-ruled Him. I say they are not gurus, so I am not dictating to gurus, you say you are dictating to gurus, so you are better than God? You are a fool, you are dictating to gurus, only Krishna does that. ys pd

[pada1008]

@mahabrahmana No you hate Krishna, Krishna says HE dictates to the guru, you say Krishna can get the hell out of here, you are "smarter and better" than Krishna's dictating. You are kicking Krishna out, He says HE alone dictates to gurus, you say, no, you dictate "smarter and better," that means you are replacing Krishna, Prabhupada says anyone who says they are smarter and better than God is a demon, that means you. Who appointed you to dictate to the guru, and kick Krishna out? ys pd

[pada1008]

@mahabrahmana You and your bogus guru are taking Krishna's place, you are attacking Him. KRISHNA says that HE is the person who dictates to the guru, you kicked Krishna out and said you are "smarter and better" than what Krishna dictates to the guru, you are saying you are the boss of God? Krishna says HE dictates to the guru, you kicked Krishna out and you say you are smarter and better than what Krishna is dictating to guru, you are TAKING KRISHNA'S PLACE, that means you are ENVIOUS of God.

[pada1008]

@mahabrahmana Krishna dictates to the guru, and you dictate to Krishna to tell Him you do not agree with what his gurus are saying, you are Krishna's supervisor? You have lost the one marble in your head, you are dictating to the guru, which over-rides Krishna's dictating to the guru? You are the boss of God? you and your bogus guru are spraying too much TCP on your hash pipe. You ARE NOT the person who can dictate to the acharyas, only God can do that, not a bone head like you. ys pd

[pada1008]

@mahabrahmana Krisha says He alone dictates to the guru as chaitya guru, now you say Krishna is a fool because you are "smarter and better" than He is, and you can dictate to the guru better than He does? Now you are also saying you are better than guru, Srila Prahbupada says anyone who thinks they are better than guru is a pasandi who is glding to hell. So you are better than Krishna and better than guru, hmmm, that makes you God? No. That makes you stupid, you are not God's boss. ys pd

[pada1008]

@mahabrahmana Krishna says that He dictates to the guru, you just said that you are smarter than these gurus. Your dictation is "smarter and better" than God's? You can do a better job than God? Krishna says the guru speaks AS I DICTATE, shaksat hari tvena, you say Krishna speaking through guru is faulty and you can do better than Krishna's dictation. You just said you are God's superior authority, you can dictate to his gurus better than he can? Who made you the boss of God? You are a fool. ys

[pada1008]

@mahabrahmana I removed comments where you repeat yourself over and over that you have a taxi driver swill drinking guru suck-session, and your guru was voted in betweeen swill drinking sessions. You said you are smarter than the guru, Krishna says He is personally dictating to guru as the chaitya guru, now you are saying you are smarter than Krishna, you can dictate to gurus better than He because you are smarter than Krishna? Krishna dictates to guru, you are smarter than He?

[pada1008]

@mahabrahmana Well your guru is voted in by people swilling off of taxi drivers, AND you said your guru hates the other gurus, so he knows they are all bogus, AND you said you could do better than the GBC because they are fools (and not gurus), your said we should cooperate with your peodphile guru worship program like your guru has been doing, it seems you are arguing with yourself? No one wants a guru voted in between taxi driver swilling, except, you? ys pd

[pada1008]

@mahabrahmana Yes, the Isopanisad says that false gurus and their promoters are destined for the most obnoxious regions, that is what Krishna says, what to speak of your taxi driver swill drinking messiahs club which mass molested thosands of chilcren and then you started cheering in delight when they were dying and you told me not to save them. You love to see dead children. ys pd

[pada1008]

@mahabrahmana Yes, as soon as I said that gurus are not taxi driving swill drinkers, you and your gurus and the GBC kicked me out, they told me they only cooperate with taxi driving swill drinking messiahs and nobody else. Gaura Govinda maharaja told me that in person, he cannot cooperate with me, he has to "cooperate, tolerate and workw with" ok - what you are telling me is the taxi drving swill drinking messiahs club. So you can cooperate with the worship of taxi driver swill drinker pooja.

[pada1008]

@mahabrahmana No we have not been defeated, we have 50 people waiting to be initiated, we have thousands of people working with us, we get millions of hits per month on our web sites, we have our documents in the Supreme Court, we have many letters daily of people telling us they are joining us and leaving the GBC, we are now sending a letter giving my web sites to thousands of life members, we have won many lawsuits and intend to win more, we are moving ahead, you are not. ys pd

[pada1008]

@mahabrahmana Your guru loves Krishna so he supports having people he hates as Krishna successors? I love Krishna, therefore, the people I hate are His successors? I hate molesters, therefore I promote the worship of molesters? Why is you guru promoting the worship of used condoms, admitting that he hates them? You guru says if you hate someone, make Him worshipped as God's successor, that means your guru hates Krishna because he hates the successors of Krishna. Your guru hates Krishnas gurus.

[pada1008]

@mahabrahmana Your guru hates the other gurus, wow, sounds like Vaikuntha, here are the other residents of Vaikuntha and so, we hate them. Your guru is saying that when pure devotees assemble, they hate each other, but they promote the worship of each others' condoms so they can make a business of condom worship pooja. Your guru hates the others gurus, this says it all, you have created a society of hate. No wonder children are getting molested in your society, you hate children too. ys pd

[pada1008]

@mahabrahmana No, we had to sue on behalf of the children victims who were commiting suicide. You and your guru first of all wanted these children to worship pedophiles and used condoms, then you wanted them to die. You want to vicitimize children with a massive anal reconstructive surgery epidemic, and worse, you want these children to worship the people who are reaming their butts, then when they are dying, you say goody, let them all die. You have about as much mercy as a scorpion. ys pd

[pada1008]

@mahabrahmana OK now you are contradicting yourself, you said your guru is a maha warrior fighting the GBC, then you say he is a mouse who has to compromise with condom pooja so he can stay there and get his rice bowl financial support from them? I do not need to get hand outs from the condom pooja crowd, I leave that to you and your guru. Srila Prabhupada preached the truth and his followers do as well, we do not need phoney organizations, Krishna is independent and so are his devotees.

[pada1008]

@mahabrahmana Where is your guru's written position paper explaining that he disagrees with the GBC? Even Bhavananada says he disagrees with the GBC, but he never writes a paper. So he disagrees in the back room, and in the front room and in public he says he is bona fide because he was voted in by condom worship? Where are his public statements that I can read, see and in sum which proves that you are not a liar? Your guru is hiding and compromising. I need to see his public statements. ys

[pada1008]

@mahabrahmana Prabhupada said in the Gaudiya Matha: One party deviated; The other party did nothing to fix it. Both are useless. Youre in both parties, your guru is voted in by deviants while all the children are getting molested, instead of protesting them, he protested us who said this is wrong. You folks protected the worship of deviants, worse than useless, you defended the molester guru line, your guru was voted in by them, children were molested because you protected the molester gurus

[pada1008]

@mahabrahmana We have gone to the original position, getting people to worship a pure devotee and not to compromise with you and your guru's program, worship of homosexuals and pedophiles. Some homosexuals were sucking off taxi drivers and then voted in your guru? That is never going to be accepted by the mass of people in this world, ever. Your guru was voted in by people sucking on taxi drivers, that is why so many children were molested, you all have children's blood on your hands. ys pd

[pada1008]

@mahabrahmana Well we are straightening things out, we helped thousands of people worship the pure devotee Srila Prabhupada, we already initiated maybe 500 and many more are awaiting. We sued the GBC and saved more children from suicide. We sued and got the rights to print original books. We are in the Supreme Court of India now, so we are fixing things. It seems to me your guru is simply waiting for Krishna to clean the dogs stools off his shoes, we did not wait, we cleaned it ourselves. ys pd

[pada1008]

@mahabrahmana OK so is this a bona fide guru system? And why hasn't your guru made a public declaration that this is a serious aparadha and a mis-representation of gurus? In other words, why is your guru and you protecting the good old boys club as gurus, when you know they are not? I am saying they are not, you are saying they are not, your guru is dragging his feet, why doesn't he make a public document complaining about these deviations? You just explained it, he's a good ole boy club member.

[pada1008]

@mahabrahmana OK for the past 12 years complaints have been issued about Umapati regarding his illicit sex with men, jus tlike for years there were complaints about Harikesha, Hansadutta, Jayatirtha, Kirtanananda, Bhagwan etc. Why isn't your guru fixing these problems and instead we have to bring these things up to get them fixed? The ritviks in China had to bring up the Umapati thing or nothing would have been done, why are you people allowing all these deviations and letting us address them?

[pada1008]

@mahabrahmana Ramachandra Puri is a saint compared to you people, he never promoted worship of used condoms; Sex with taxi drivers in the holy dham or pedophiles as "acharyas" like your team does. You folks spend millions and millions on beef steak lawyers, instead of making temples and printing books. Your ONLY plan is to buy beef steaks for lawyers at the expense of millions, so you can put the deity into a ghetto? Your ONLY plan is to buy beef steaks so deities are in the ghetto? Why? ys 

[pada1008]

@mahabrahmana OK except even Dhenukasrua is not a used condom worshipper like your team? Dhenukasura is a saint compared to you, he never worshipped child molesters or used condoms? Your gurus have been caught having oral sex with taxi drivers in the holy dham, Dhenukasura would not ever worship man to man sex with taxi drivers, so thanks for calling me Dehnukasura, yes he would never worship sex with taxi drivers, he was a saint compared to you. Go and buy some more beef steaks for your lawyers

[pada1008]

@mahabrahmana Anyway thank you for spending millions feeding beef steaks to lawyers, the result is: big chunks of my harekrsna org site was printed and submitted into the SUPREME COURT of India. So CHIEF JUSTICES of the HIGHEST COURT in India are (thanks to you guys) reading my web site! I could never have got my web site into the SUPREME COURT without your spending millions and millions to get my site material there! Bravo! Thanks 4 the free publicity! Could not have done this without you!

[pada1008]

@mahabrahmana Where did Krishna tell you to have Him live in a ghetto so you can buy beefs steak for lawyers instead? ys pd

[pada1008]

@mahabrahmana We never ordered you to put the deity into ghetto conditions with mice, rats, bed bugs and bad plumbing, so that you could purchase beefs steaks lawyers? When did we tell you to do that? No, you are the servants of beef steaks lawyers, as soon as you see the ashtray in your lawyers Mercedes is full, you go out and buy him another Mercedes and a pack of beef steaks bonus, so that you can put the deity into a ghetto. You are suing us because we do not want ghettos for deities. ys

[pada1008]

@mahabrahmana You didnt have to spend ANY money on us, you could spend on removing rats, mice, bed bugs and cock roaches from the deity house, but you have no interest in the deity, only lawyers to sue us so that your lawyers can buy big giant beef steaks, Mercedes and mansions, you are spending all your money on beef steak lawyers, not Krishna. We didnt tell you to buy these lawyers, you do this yourself, and your leader says he will spend the next 100 years in court, fighting losers! pd

[pada1008]

@mahabrahmana OK let me get this straight, the reason the GBC spends millions and millions and millions and millions on us is, we are losers? Why is the GBC allowing cockroaches, mice, rats and bed bugs, bad plumbing, bakced up sewer pipes, and instead they are spending all their money on -- us? We are the priority? And now Brooklyn temple has to rent their hall for bingo because, they spend all their money suing us in Long Island? Why are you spending all your money on the losers? ys pd

[pada1008]

@mahabrahmana No we are winning, we have made thousands of people worship Srila Prabhupada and we are causing the GBC to spend millions and millions and millions suing us in Bangalore, and they had to spend 2 million suing us in Long Island and we sued them for $400,00,000 and we won, we are winning all the time and they arent. And we are just getting started, we have all kinds of fresh new people in our group and they will continue to choke down these bogus gurus as long as they live. We win!

[pada1008]

@mahabrahmana Actually when Harikesh wrote that gurus need to wear condoms while having sex with their servants, his photo was still on the altars being worshipped and so I complained, and the leaders of the Los Angeles temple told me so what, it is not important. Worshipping used condoms is not an important deviation? Anyway you are right, many new people realize this condom worship is bogus and they are accepting our idea to worship Srila Prabhupada. We are winning by default, agreed. ys pd

[pada1008]

@mahabrahmana The GBC says we have to worship their gurus who are having illicit sex with men, women and children, the ritvik says we are not going to worship illicit sex, sorry, I do not worship used condoms, I leave that great preaching to yourself. You can worship used condoms and I'll worship the pure devotee, why should i give up worship of the pure devotee to worship your used condoms messiahs program? You got to be kidding, worship used condoms is better than worship pure people? ys pd

[pada1008]

@mahabrahman/ If the GBC said their gurus are ordinary man, that would be very offensive agreed, except that is not what they say, they say their acharyas are not even as advanced as an ordinary man. Jayadvaita swami wrote that in ISKCON their gurus are "engaged in illicit sex with men, women and children, so my neigbor's cat Mr. Snuffles is vastly more advanced than their acharyas. To say gurus are illicit sex is offensive, and that is what your party says. ys pd

[pada1008]

@mahabrahmana Yes, youre right the GBC has adopted a Vatican style system of voting in their (Pope) gurus. Yes you are correct this is like a Catholic Church system and has never been done with Krishna devotees. The other problem is that the GBC does not even try to vote in saintly people, they choose pot heads, sex fiends and even child molesters as the messiahs they vote in. You are right, this voted in guru system is bogus, has never been done in Vaishnava culture ys pd

[pada1008]

@haridevotee Srila Prabhupada said in January of 1977 that they are not even fit for sannyasa, suspend sannyasa, what to speak of they are fit for guru. He said neophytes cannot allow others to touch their feet OR THEY WILL GET SICK AND FALL DOWN, and this is not for "time, place and circumstance," this is an ETERNAL FACT. So when the GBC gurus say they are getting sick and falling down from taking sins it means, they are saying they are another Jesus, they are taking sins and so is Jesus.

[pada1008]

@haridevotee They STILL say they are getting sick and falling down from ABSORBING SINS, THEY ARE SAYING THAT since 1979, THEY say that, they say that, THEY are saying that, they said that, they still say that, they are the ones saying they are absorbing sins, I never said anything, they said that, I am repeating what they are saying. Prabhupada said us neophytes HAVE no powers to absorb sins and if we do we risk getting sick and falling down, he said -- do not do that! ys pd

[pada1008]

@haridevotee This is another thing, in 1990 the GBC gurus were getting ghost busted by chitesvara, leader of "Pagal Baba Ashram" -- he gave me his card. He says he has to cure pagal people who are haunted by ghosts, like your acharyas! He told me your acharyas are full of ghosts! Why are you worshipping ghostly haunted people? Haridevotee thinks ghostly haunted drunkards are messiahs, what an idiot! ys pd

[pada1008]

@haridevotee This is totally bogus. As soon as the 11 became gurus in 1978 THEY declared that THEY were absorbing sins, ok like Jesus is doing. THEY wrote in THEIR documents that THEY are like Jesus, THEY also say TO THE PRESENT DAY, TODAY 2011, that they needed medications because they took too many sins (like Jesus), THEY still say THEY are getting sick and falling down because THEY are absorbing sins, ok like Jesus, THEY SAY THIS! OK READ, THEY SAY THIS, can't you read English? ys pd

[pada1008]

@haridevotee Followers of the GBC says their gurus are absorbing sins, followers of Jesus say he is absorbing their sins. Sorry, the GBC is telling their followers they are doing the same job as Jesus, Jesus absorbs sins, and they are abosrbing sins. This is what they say, if this is "sick and twisted," go ask them not me? Prabhupada said if neophytes absorbs sins they will GET SICK AND FALL DOWN, that IS what HE said. So they are getting sick and falling, because they are not another Jesus

[pada1008]

@haridevotee Srila Prabhupada also said, just as the killed Jesus, they may kill me also (see the poison issue tapes I made here). Now you are saying Ptabhupada's statements are lol, you know better than he does. Anyway you failed to answer my question, GBC gurus often say they are sick from taking sins, they think they are Jesus and they can absorb sins, they are saying that, I am only commenting. So yes, they think they are the next Jesus of Nazareth, they have his powers, you are right. pd

[pada1008]

@haridevotee Acharya means messiah, it means pure devotee, and Jesus is a pure devotee. In ISKCON they say their gurus are getting headaches from "absorbing too many sins," so these people think they can absorb sins like Jesus. So they are saying they are messiahs, a person who can absorb sins like Jesus is doing. I am not syaing anything, that is what they are saying. Srila Prabhupada said me and Jesus are brothers, so acharya and messiah means the same things. He said that!

[gettuff2]

Still as pagal as ever Pada.

[pada1008]

@gettuff2 Thanks, yes as soon as I said children are being molested by the GBC and Narayan Maharaja bogus and molester messiah's guru project, they said I was pagal, that way they set up another thousand children to be molested. Yes, that is how the GBC and NM folks created the mass molesting problem, they said anyone who objects is pagal. That maakes them direct responsible for the mass molesting, ys pd

[gettuff2]

@pada1008 Sila Prabhupada bought the society to the west before any of that happened. according to your philosophical bent, that makes him responsible.

[tenthousandyearsgoon]

@pada1008 What is pagal?

[DemoNiozGemiNi]

pagal means crazy



[bhaktyaa]

. Why do you think that Srila Bhaktisiddhanta never choosed an Acarya as the Math´s succesor ¿? No wonder why.

[broadgodd]

glad the truth is being revealed more and more, nice paintings. and graphics.

[tenthousandyearsgoon]

...They started poisoning Prabhupad in 75! Thats quite a while before his death.

Please Krsna help us! WTF is going on!?!

[tenthousandyearsgoon]

ISKON has become a facet of evil and corruption.

[TheManolakis]

@tenthousandyearsgoon HARE KRSNA All Glories to His Divine Grace A.C BHAKTIVEDANTA SWAMI PRABHUPAD. Ten.... Prabuji its called Is Con. HARI BOL

[tenthousandyearsgoon]

@TheManolakis dont you mean 'ItsAcon" ? or 'HISScon'?  :)

[TheManolakis]

@tenthousandyearsgoon lol yet the state of are movement isnt funny at all . May we purify, purify, purify and serve His Divine Grace and SRI SRI RADHA KRSNA with every thing we've got to give. HARI BOL Prabhuji

[AntiDhimmitude]

@tenthousandyearsgoon The very movement that is supposed to free mankind from maya itself has become entrapped by maya. Only way out is back to Prabhupada.

[tenthousandyearsgoon]

@merkywave Dont you mean All GLories to Srila Prabhupad? WTF is wrong with you you cant even write out your respects?