belle wasn't a princess either the beast was a prince so when they marry she became a princess and he became a king if they married twice she would be queen i don't get theses princesses because there's not many exuall princess the reason why they are on here because they are warriors the main
i totally agree our disney movies have changed extremly over the years but in Mulan 2 i think Disney made it all about her love life because what are they going to do make the movie about her saving China again... No. The viewers would get bored saying it was like the first ine and they wouldnt want to see it. i do agree with your opinion though it really opens eyes that havent reallly seen that. I have notcied that at recent accasions.
I wonder if anyone has seen Anastasia here? She's not a Disney princess, but I do feel that she's probably one of the most realistic princesses around for this type of film.
Another movie from Disney called Enchanted kind of pokes fun at the princess stereotype throughout the movie, which I thought was interesting.
@YukiValons i have seen both of those movies many times love those movies and kinda agree it shows princessess in real life sernorios. Yes others Disney movies have but those two movies shows it more than others.
I agree! Princesses have been getting a lot stronger! Like in "Princess and the Frog" for example. Tiana is a hard working girl, working two jobs to try and open her own restaurant and make her own dreams come true. And as opposed to the past where magic is the solution for Snow White (a magic kiss) or Cinderella (Fairy God mother), magic actually creates the problem in "Princess and the Frog" I just thought that was interesting!
I agree with most of your points - I did a project on compairing the Disney Renassainse Princesses to anime heronines, and I found your points interesting. I only have one correction - Mulan isn't a princess. She wasn't born into royality, and Shang isn't royalty, so she technically isn't royality herself.
Absolutley agree, today i have been trying to find the Disney princess that best fits each of my friends and a lot of them don't have that strong personailty and a lot of them have the same kind of personailty, they don't say werid things, randomly do odd motions with thier hands like my friends and i do they aren't silly, some of them are more real than others but they aren't as real as what girls really are
I have always admired disney and it has been a dream of mine to work at one of their parks as a princess. I understand what you are talking about with the common theme but I do not completely agree with what you are saying.
First I must say that I love the classic princesses. They are gentle in a way that I don't see anymore in other programs or movies. They go through a lot, yet they are not bitter. Instead they help other people. They are humble. That's an important message as well. I agree that this is lost in the merchandising. They suddenly are sparkly and spoiled, while in the movies they have worked most of their young lives!
It's even more obvious when you look at the modern prinsesses. I don't mind the different kinds of princesses, I mind the misinterpretation of them in the merchandising. I don't like they change the personality they had in the movies, regardless whether they were gentle or strong.
Btw, I love romance, being a strong character and wanted to be loved can go together. But I see your point. I didn't like the Mulan in the sequel either. Then again, sequels can never beat the original movies.
Yes, the original movie have stronger women, but the modern marketing and sequels are really weakening their characters. I'm curious to see what direction they've taken with the Princess and the Frog.
What really worries me is that weird dress up disney bull that those irresponsible women portrayed. Now that is something I wouldn't want a young woman to see. The class distinction, the utter essence of being a harlot, the song... all sending a horrible message to children. And this doesn't just effect girls either. Disney also influences boys in regards to how men are suppose to act and treat women. I think the Princes should be looked at too. I dig the Hunch Back, but Prince Charming can go.
Yes, the Hunchback is a much better movie overall. A little dark and scary for young kids but a better message overall. It's one of my favorites. You're right about the influence on boys. I hadn't looked at that angle but I'm sure the negative impact is similar.
Honestly, in Mulan 2, I see Mulan teaching the 3 princesses to be strong and break free of the "Princess" mold. It's natural for most women to be excited about getting married and falling in love with a special person, but she doesn't lose her identity for him and she doesn't cave as to what she believes. Mulan even gives herself to the prince of the neighboring land to set the 3 princesses free once she thinks Shang is dead. If I lost the love of my life, I wouldn't go marry someone else.
I should maybe give Mulan 2 another look but it seems to be much weaker than the first Mulan movie. I really don't think the messages are as clear or strong as the first. Kids will just see love and marriage as the main focus.
in a way i do agree with you, discussing disney and their images on women. but in mulan 2 the end is very strong teaching us that we must do whats right. Mulan is a strong character, but it is natural to want to be married and to procreate, blah blah blah, i dont see the problem with her acting like a girl and being strong. Meg, from hercules, is a strong girl as well. she debates if what she is doing is wrong and gives her life for what she believes in. (i could go on and on but i am outofspace
I could give Mulan 2 a second look. Love and marriage seems to be the overall theme. I have nothing against love and marriage but I hate for this to be a girl's only dream in life. Should women only be defined by their man?
But it shows in the first Mulan that Woman are not defined by their men, but it shows a positive role that women can be hard and soft, at the same time. Strong and dependant, but wanting love and marriage is also welcome to those strong women. Many people, men and women, think that if you are EXTREMELY strong as a woman, you cant have a family or that you are a lesbian, but disney seems to support family values, as it has always done throughout time
Good points... yes, women don't have to be like men to get respect. Becoming more like men isn't the answer, but it's important to chose your own way, not let men chose it for you or tell you what you can and can't choose.
you know, when I just saw that whole disney show on the vid just now, I was really depressed. It just seems really superficial. I'm concerened for the future.
And you should do a vid about Hannah Montana and Jonass brothers.
It is sad what messages Disney is giving our kids... I haven't seen the Jonas Bros and what little I've seen of Hannah Montana bothers me. I'm guess they have similar scary messages. It worries me since I have daughters.
I don't agree entirely with his comments on Mulan 2. She's still a strong woman. Mulan and... whatever that guy's name is, they fight throughout the entire movie. She still holds strong to her beliefs. In that, I see a woman who is capable, but still feminine.
The whole Disney show was ridiculous, by the way. >.>; That would have the power to influence people the wrong way toward women.
It isn't the fighting that concerns me. It is Mulan's core purpose and center that changed. In the first movie she wanted to break free and be an individual. She wanted to save her father. She sacrificed everything for something bigger than herself. The second movie is all about love and "boys". She is like a different person inside. Disney has really taken a bad turn with all the princess stuff. That's what the show is making fun of.
girls in the story sheesh they need to make it clear im a big fan of disney but get them right")
luigi57968 5 months ago
belle wasn't a princess either the beast was a prince so when they marry she became a princess and he became a king if they married twice she would be queen i don't get theses princesses because there's not many exuall princess the reason why they are on here because they are warriors the main
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TheHauntedFilmGroup 9 months ago
i love how he didnt disscuss another real princess jasmine she fought as well
naughteca 10 months ago
Why isn't Kida from Atlantis considered a disney princess? It's a disney movie right?
SteelLilacs 10 months ago
i totally agree our disney movies have changed extremly over the years but in Mulan 2 i think Disney made it all about her love life because what are they going to do make the movie about her saving China again... No. The viewers would get bored saying it was like the first ine and they wouldnt want to see it. i do agree with your opinion though it really opens eyes that havent reallly seen that. I have notcied that at recent accasions.
kaytaya1 11 months ago
@YukiValons yea I seen anastasia but I forgot what it's about?
mayusa19 1 year ago
I wonder if anyone has seen Anastasia here? She's not a Disney princess, but I do feel that she's probably one of the most realistic princesses around for this type of film.
Another movie from Disney called Enchanted kind of pokes fun at the princess stereotype throughout the movie, which I thought was interesting.
YukiValons 1 year ago
@YukiValons i have seen both of those movies many times love those movies and kinda agree it shows princessess in real life sernorios. Yes others Disney movies have but those two movies shows it more than others.
kaytaya1 11 months ago
I agree! Princesses have been getting a lot stronger! Like in "Princess and the Frog" for example. Tiana is a hard working girl, working two jobs to try and open her own restaurant and make her own dreams come true. And as opposed to the past where magic is the solution for Snow White (a magic kiss) or Cinderella (Fairy God mother), magic actually creates the problem in "Princess and the Frog" I just thought that was interesting!
icewhipRox 1 year ago
@icewhipRox Great point about the magic. I hadn't thought about that with P&F.
dbocaz 1 year ago
@dbocaz Really? Gee, thanks! ^-^
icewhipRox 1 year ago
I agree with most of your points - I did a project on compairing the Disney Renassainse Princesses to anime heronines, and I found your points interesting. I only have one correction - Mulan isn't a princess. She wasn't born into royality, and Shang isn't royalty, so she technically isn't royality herself.
DragonHeart06 1 year ago
@DragonHeart06 True... Mulan doesn't fit the mold in many ways. That's probably why I like her.
dbocaz 1 year ago
Absolutley agree, today i have been trying to find the Disney princess that best fits each of my friends and a lot of them don't have that strong personailty and a lot of them have the same kind of personailty, they don't say werid things, randomly do odd motions with thier hands like my friends and i do they aren't silly, some of them are more real than others but they aren't as real as what girls really are
HeatherBrooks152 2 years ago
I have always admired disney and it has been a dream of mine to work at one of their parks as a princess. I understand what you are talking about with the common theme but I do not completely agree with what you are saying.
doribr0wn 2 years ago
the act-parts are REALLY funny !! haha XD
airachica 2 years ago
Hi, I am a girl :)
First I must say that I love the classic princesses. They are gentle in a way that I don't see anymore in other programs or movies. They go through a lot, yet they are not bitter. Instead they help other people. They are humble. That's an important message as well. I agree that this is lost in the merchandising. They suddenly are sparkly and spoiled, while in the movies they have worked most of their young lives!
BlossomDisneyaholic 2 years ago
It's even more obvious when you look at the modern prinsesses. I don't mind the different kinds of princesses, I mind the misinterpretation of them in the merchandising. I don't like they change the personality they had in the movies, regardless whether they were gentle or strong.
Btw, I love romance, being a strong character and wanted to be loved can go together. But I see your point. I didn't like the Mulan in the sequel either. Then again, sequels can never beat the original movies.
BlossomDisneyaholic 2 years ago
Yes, the original movie have stronger women, but the modern marketing and sequels are really weakening their characters. I'm curious to see what direction they've taken with the Princess and the Frog.
dbocaz 2 years ago
What really worries me is that weird dress up disney bull that those irresponsible women portrayed. Now that is something I wouldn't want a young woman to see. The class distinction, the utter essence of being a harlot, the song... all sending a horrible message to children. And this doesn't just effect girls either. Disney also influences boys in regards to how men are suppose to act and treat women. I think the Princes should be looked at too. I dig the Hunch Back, but Prince Charming can go.
akiser123 2 years ago
Yes, the Hunchback is a much better movie overall. A little dark and scary for young kids but a better message overall. It's one of my favorites. You're right about the influence on boys. I hadn't looked at that angle but I'm sure the negative impact is similar.
dbocaz 2 years ago
Honestly, in Mulan 2, I see Mulan teaching the 3 princesses to be strong and break free of the "Princess" mold. It's natural for most women to be excited about getting married and falling in love with a special person, but she doesn't lose her identity for him and she doesn't cave as to what she believes. Mulan even gives herself to the prince of the neighboring land to set the 3 princesses free once she thinks Shang is dead. If I lost the love of my life, I wouldn't go marry someone else.
akiser123 2 years ago
I should maybe give Mulan 2 another look but it seems to be much weaker than the first Mulan movie. I really don't think the messages are as clear or strong as the first. Kids will just see love and marriage as the main focus.
dbocaz 2 years ago
in a way i do agree with you, discussing disney and their images on women. but in mulan 2 the end is very strong teaching us that we must do whats right. Mulan is a strong character, but it is natural to want to be married and to procreate, blah blah blah, i dont see the problem with her acting like a girl and being strong. Meg, from hercules, is a strong girl as well. she debates if what she is doing is wrong and gives her life for what she believes in. (i could go on and on but i am outofspace
CatBonner13 2 years ago
I could give Mulan 2 a second look. Love and marriage seems to be the overall theme. I have nothing against love and marriage but I hate for this to be a girl's only dream in life. Should women only be defined by their man?
dbocaz 2 years ago
But it shows in the first Mulan that Woman are not defined by their men, but it shows a positive role that women can be hard and soft, at the same time. Strong and dependant, but wanting love and marriage is also welcome to those strong women. Many people, men and women, think that if you are EXTREMELY strong as a woman, you cant have a family or that you are a lesbian, but disney seems to support family values, as it has always done throughout time
CatBonner13 2 years ago
Good points... yes, women don't have to be like men to get respect. Becoming more like men isn't the answer, but it's important to chose your own way, not let men chose it for you or tell you what you can and can't choose.
dbocaz 2 years ago
you know, when I just saw that whole disney show on the vid just now, I was really depressed. It just seems really superficial. I'm concerened for the future.
And you should do a vid about Hannah Montana and Jonass brothers.
pong224 2 years ago
It is sad what messages Disney is giving our kids... I haven't seen the Jonas Bros and what little I've seen of Hannah Montana bothers me. I'm guess they have similar scary messages. It worries me since I have daughters.
dbocaz 2 years ago
I don't agree entirely with his comments on Mulan 2. She's still a strong woman. Mulan and... whatever that guy's name is, they fight throughout the entire movie. She still holds strong to her beliefs. In that, I see a woman who is capable, but still feminine.
The whole Disney show was ridiculous, by the way. >.>; That would have the power to influence people the wrong way toward women.
EndlessVoids 2 years ago
It isn't the fighting that concerns me. It is Mulan's core purpose and center that changed. In the first movie she wanted to break free and be an individual. She wanted to save her father. She sacrificed everything for something bigger than herself. The second movie is all about love and "boys". She is like a different person inside. Disney has really taken a bad turn with all the princess stuff. That's what the show is making fun of.
dbocaz 2 years ago