DOnt listen to that suppressive BS about more energy in that out garbage...
its just a regular machine ya plug into the wall.. that's a different matter that they are using to divert the issue away from this successful electrolysis discovery
the issue of power doesn't seem to worry the HHO cell people now does it, so why this.. naaaa the question is here.. WHAT frequency is used to do this kind of water splitting !
@bohemiachris We talk about energy-in vs. energy-out because there are facts in the Physics that are inviolable. The energy required to break the hydrogen/oxygen bond is equal to the energy produced when they recombine (burn together). There may be a catalyst that when added to water would weaken the bond of the water molecule, but one has not been found in many decades of looking. The salt in this experiment only improves the conductivity of the water. Just another perpetual motion scam.
@bafrank3poc This is the problem in this day when so many have such poor educations in simple science. . .particularly the lack of scientific understanding of the reporters covering such stories. Heck, if one is gullible enough to accept microwave bombardment of water requires less energy than the energy produced when recombined, such people will also believe we can make Alcohol from corn that provides more energy that the energy required to make the alcohol. H2O nor corn are practical energy.
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Alex Voss goes to the land of the unusual in lesson 23 "witty inventions" and shows how to make the John Kanzius water burner practical along with several other inventions. tvecourse witty inventions
Yes, now the machine is a tad clumsy, way too big and uses great amounts of energy. Lets see it evolve into a tiny phone size radio emitting gadget that runs on alkaline batteries making water still burn at 1500 degrees.. and we'll be there. Anyone remember the first computers as big as tennis courts? And yet your kid's phone has more computing power than those behemoths ever did. food for thought: let us improve things instead of just criticizing them. :)
@MathDoobler yes, but what humans ignore about them is, qell, unknown. And as far as I can deduce, phisycs are what allow miniaturization. You want big energy from small source? E=mc2
We are the real energy ... all creation is the results of our thoughts (radio waves) .. if we unite unconditionally we already have everything without machines! Please give your God thoughts, try to communicate with all beings; water, air, plants, animals, earth, sun, moon, stars and each other .. try to bless them .. future will become heaven!
Good questions from below that need to be answered by journalism major news doofuses:
"The question is, does it consume more or less energy then it uses to create the effect. Unless it produces more energy then it uses to produce the radio waves it's just a fancy parlor trick."
"Can this still burn after the machine is turned off? If it can't then it won't be effiecent at all. But if it can then the radio frequency machine would only have to be on for a second during the whole run."
@libertarianjury Yeah, I was kind of shocked at how gullible and ignorant (of science) the news reporters seem to have been on this story, too. "Salt water is the only fuel." Yeah, except for the giant RF input energy he blasts the salt water with to get that tiny flame out of it.
It's still kind of an interesting creation though. I kind of wish he put out the design details so that it could be built.
One such use for this device is in a nuclear submarine, where they can at least produce oxygen from sea water using this method, depending on the quantity and their ability to separate the oxygen from the hydrogen while under water.
I am sure that we are close to discovering how to make a fusion reactor that is actually practical.
@Josemedeiros I'm pretty sure nuclear submarines have been doing what you're saying for the past 40+ years, except with conventional electrolysis, although I might be wrong on that. Also, electrolysis produces the gases separately at each electrode (which is useful), while this RF process almost certainly makes a mixture.
The question is, does it consume more or less energy then it uses to create the effect. Unless it produces more energy then it uses to produce the radio waves it's just a fancy parlor trick.
@tsnrhm you cant get more enrgy out of something than you put in... and the salt water is only ubsorbing a little bit of the energy that the machine is makeing nto waves... altho we have been looking for ways to se salt water for along time. but the idea to cure cancer with this is grate. injecting tiny tiny particals of gold and silver that are attracted by the cells adnormality then heated up to kill that cancer cell
we must remember that radio waves can penetrate a hundred feet below an ocean of salt water......... so with more volume and more amount of water expose to radio wave, i believe it can produce large amount of heat and energy.
Can this still burn after the machine is turned off? If it can't then it won't be effiecent at all. But if it can then the radio frequency machine would only have to be on for a second during the whole run.
I think you could you could put the machine in your car & modify it to distribute it's spark just as your car ignition does now. You'd only want to ignition to take place in the cylinder and only in short spurts.
if this machine simply ignites the water, then can be turned off and the water still burns it would be catastrophic!....for the planet!!
Even though Im reading the comments and yes it does use a lot of energy to gain the product but also remember that this is still at its early stages. Anything can happen in the next few years and it all depends if we want to take to the next level.
@BadManJan Exactly, the majority of people don't get excited by discovery, that takes a visionary. For example, if you're ever seeking investment funding, it's ok to pitch angel inverters with the abstract. But, never pitch VCs without the implementation. Not because they cant appreciate it, but because they know that the majority whom they represent. cannot get behind potential twice removed.
Please don't let some big oil company buy this and it disappear. This is the perfect timing after seeing what a horrible thing we've done to our environment by drilling for oil.
Hhhhmmmpphhh . . . .. But he's using electricity to power the radio waves that are heating the saltwater. Put energy in to get energy out? Doesn't sound like it's producing anything.
I KNOW that you can split hydrogen to oxygen, with electricity, BUT DID ANYONE notice that when the reporter took water from the canal behind his hause! And when they said its from the same water source? Well i have lived in sw florida and if you payattention you see that the water is TOO clean!! Even if you use that little it WILL be a light brown because its full of microbes and all bacterial stuff....
i am a surfer and recently i ignored an article in the courier mail outlining how one day we will look back and laugh about how we used to surf for free. now i know what they were getting at lol
Two minutes. Impressive. What would probably be even more impressive is how much power he used with his "radio frequency generator". He might have got a couple hundred watts out at the expense of several kilowatts in.
@suxatguitar1 if they can make the radiowave flat or put a lot of test tubes that the area of the wave can handle. imagine 100 test tubes burning, woudlnt that be 100x ??
@suxatguitar1 if they can make the radiowave flat or put a lot of test tubes that the area of the wave can handle. imagine 100 test tubes burning, woudlnt that be 100x ??
we must remember that radio waves can penetrate a hundred feet below an ocean of salt water......... so with more volume and more amount of water expose to radio wave, i believe it can produce large amount of heat and energy.
What a discovery! Can the energy produced by the Seawater be greater then the energy required to power the Radio wave generator? The heat could also be used to purify sea water by superheating the steam, and also producing electrical power by turning Steam Turbine Generators.
maybe this explains how GOD talked to Moses in a burning bush. According to the old testament the bush was on fire, BUT WAS NOT CONSUMED BY THE FIRE. Perhaps there was a lot of salt in that area of the world, and perhaps there was a lot of humidity in the air or something. It's hard to say, but still interesting to think about...the power of GOD communicating to Moses via high energy like radio or microwaves. The more I think about it, the more interesting it sounds.
do u think god would need to obey physical laws? ;) there's no need to think of such things, unless u're sayin some1 staged up the burning bush event by using this method in ancient times. anyway most likely explanation is that it was hot desert and some1 forgot to drink and was hallucinatin :P
1:24 "the the energy is in fact hydrogen. The the heat breaks down the hydrogen oxygen bond in the water"
wait, what? what do they mean by this?
A) they were told that the energy is derived from the hydrogen-oxygen bond breaking in water. That doesnt make sense, energy is required to break bonds.
B) hydrogen burns and produces heat to further split water into more fuel. maybe interesting, still energy-inefficient.
I've had something similar happen for years.....with greenbeans in the microwave. We make them with beef soup base. When you heat up the left overs in the microwave the next day they shoot flames out the end of the green beans. Sometimes it's instantly or within a few seconds. Other times it doesn't happen at all. It will get your attention when you have 5 inch flames shooting out of your beans.......lol. The flame goes out the second the microwave door is opened.....beans unburnt.
I'm thinking the green bean is like the paper towel and the mineral like soup base is the salt, but how does the microwave act as a frequency generator???
@FlamingGreenBeans - Because that's exactly what a microwave is. A frequency generator in a box. MICRO WAVES excite the water particles causing them to heat up. Check the back of your microwave and you can see what frequency it runs at.
So great, using radio waves to generate HHO from water. How does it's output compair to DC current methods? Microwaves use a lot of power to generate so how efficient is this really?
He died of pneumonia, which can be encouraged by inhaling too much chlorine in an enclosed space, which was what he was doing by electrolysing brine in his lab. I think it's safe to say that he killed himself.
yeah they did kill this guy... and they have a video of him sticking his hand in the machine and nothing happens but he doesnt do it for long... and also its the salt in the water not the water itself
Does anyone want to hazard a guess at how much power this radio frequency generator consumes because if its more than the output then its not viable of course. Still its a novel idea that could have applications beyond fuel. What happens if the guy puts his hand in there - its 60% water after all.
Actually I just saw the guy put his hand in(on another vid) and nothing exciting happens but thats not to say the cells in his hand weren't affected somehow. What happens to the chlorine thats given off by the salt - can this use a more friendly salt (baking powder/bicarb or is that just another way to increase carbon dioxide emissions)?
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Good day to all of my fellow Christians, firstly my apology for being out of topic. I came here to remind you people that the judgment day has started already. Please depart from cursing, smoking, violent entertainment, fornication, occultism, and for watching pornography etc. lest you be found not worthy to enter the kingdom of God in the Day of Execution. Thank you for your kind consideration.
So if I do any of those things from now on I'm safe? Well thats a relief. I wouldn't want to die for saying fuck. oops. shit i'm dead... oh well. But seriously, Judgment Day is next Friday at 4:30 pm. God might be late so be prepared for 4:35. I'm fucked but the rest of you still have a shot. Good luck. LoLz
Sorry I forgot to comment on the video. We're all hypocrites at some point. I don't even believe in Hell, so I can't burn in it. But, in an indirect way, I commented by rating it when I saw it. (And actually, it does relate to "some" topics, just not this one.) I liked the video. Pwnt is the most retarded word ever created.
I'm an offensive individual, retard. Get the point yet? (I still like the video.)
Telling people what they can and can't do is offensive to many as well. Take your own advice some time, thank you very much. Morons like you are why I stopped commenting on vids a month ago. Thanks for giving me new fuel to my hatred.
(Still like this vid.) I comment back because I can. Don't like it? Don't talk to me. I can stop, I choose to continue. You should mind your own business. (Suggestion) You did give me fuel. You replied to my comment. I returned a reply. No, it's not your fault that I decide to be a dick, but, it is your fault that I decide to be a dick to you. You replied to me. Don't like it? Get bent. I can say what I want, I live in a free country. P.S. You went off topic hypocrite. I hope you burn in Hell.
Actually, I stayed on topic. I stayed on topic to what we were saying. Maybe I should mind my own business. I choose to continue. [:)] Who said I didn't like arguing with complete idiots? Reply to comments usually isn't fuel for anything. If you consider that fuel, maybe you should get off Youtube for a bit. It's not my choosing of who's a dick to me. You were a dick to someone else, I said something, next thing I know, it's directed at me. STFU and go die.
No, the topic is the video. If we go by you way of thinking, I was on topic when I replied to the troll, and you have proven yourself a moron. Reply to comments is fuel thought. It's why it's here. You choose who is a dick to you when you stick your nose in other peoples business. I was a dick to a moron, you butted in, and now I'm a dick to you. You're reason for commenting was because I said something mean, and now you told me to die. Welcome to the hypocrite club.
I'm only mean to people who deserve it, you obviously did. But I guess it doesn't matter. I have no clue why I started this convo, I don't believe in god, heaven, devil, or hell. So whatever. lol.
How much electricity does it take to run the machine that turns on the salt water lighter? I think it's a pretty safe bet that it's WAY more than you could possibly extract from that flame. You know what with the conservation of energy and everything.
This sh1t shouldn't be entertained even for one second. It's bunk.
You could do pretty much the same thing with some copper wire, a couple of car batteries and a couple of hand-held radios. All the guy is doing, is using high-frequency radio waves to make the salt in the water able to burn. I think the guy has actually come up with something useful regardless.
This looks more like radio electrolysis. Water does not burn even if you add salt. The water is being separated from H2O to HHO. HHO burns. (and produces water) LOL LOL, .... This is not magic, there's no such thing as magic. you lemmings have to start to have some critical thinking of your own. Just because someone says something out loud doesn't mean it's true.
What you've witnessed is 'radio electrolysis'
It doesn't cure cancer and it doesn't burn water either.
And for those who think this man is using microwaves....umm....you are so wrong! A microwave oven has a 'safety-switch' built into it to shut it down when you open the door...kinda like the fridge light comes on when you open it. No little people are in the fridge turning on the lights! If these were microwave this man's hand would be burned...most of the human body is made of water. Or maybe not.....cell phones don't 'burn' anybody....as far as we know....hhhmmm.....interesting!
It amazes me he dumb some of you guys responces are up here! One knuclkehead's talking about radiation (nuke) and the corny jokes made out of ignorance. I have one question for all the 'boneheads'....What does the Spaceshuttle 'run' off of. (clue: it's in that big orange tank)What is water made out of? And then you get these people talking about all this radiation. LOL ! I bet lots of these folks own cell phones! What 'transmits' the data from the cell phone to the air? Maybe it's 'pixie dust'??
Ditto. The cost of electricity for powering his little radio wave device is "mysteriously" not mentioned. Then again, if people had taken Tesla seriously, we'd all have free electricity that we could just pull out of the air. *shakes fist at Edison*
Probably will never happen, oil companies will hush it down, or else this would have been national news, not local. then again, im rather skeptical to the american media (For some unexplainable reason... O.o)
Probably because their a bunch of ignorant morons who report stupid crap like this. It never got past local news because it takes a dollars worth of electricity and turns it into a dimes worth of heat.
And also what if the radiowave transmittors were not built into the engines but were mounted along the side the road. That way they could be powered by another renewable resource such as concetrated solar or wind, and then it doesnt matter if more energy is used for the process than is got out of it, you still have a fuel which can be easily transported.
Wonder if any other electrolytes other than salt would result in the same reaction. Can someone design an rf plug rather than a sperk plug. Then we just need a big power source to run the rf plug right. very interesting, I think this could be a fun experiment to play around with.
Wonder if you could adjust the frquency and just fracture the water without immediate ignition?
I like to see him mircowave his hand there and watch the gas come out of his finger tip and light it up. A lot of energy was used just to nuke a little bit of water to make a little fame.
A candle is more energy efficient and a lot cheaper too..
Who cares how hot it gets, its all about BTUs and watts of energy. you can melt a brick with a magnifying glass that doesn't mean you're making energy. It may be 3,000 degrees in a single point but that doesn't mean there is more than 300watts of energy.
well it burns somewhere around 3000 F so that radio device prob uses 300 watts so lets think about this to make crystalline silicon
you need a temp of 2742 F... well it look like i could run a fuckin train on this shit ppl its a goddamn radio wave emitter but i wont stop there ill tell you exactly what the radio device produces here is the price ill post again with watts on cite
an you see my reply ok here is a print of what a similar machine and i mean goddamn close enough to be your fucking twin sister motherfuckers Specifications:
the other problem is that the salt is not burning (thankfully or else we'd probably get mustard gas in the fumes), therefore salt will always accumulate as a residue. Unless one were to remove the salt after each run, one would need to use fresh water and just reuse the salt from the previous run. However to incorporate this technique in power generators for the masses or engines would mean we would run our fresh water resources, which are already scarce, dry
measure the amount of electricity used to produce the radiowaves , then convertflame into electric energy and compared the two. IF and only if the energy being used to produce the radio waves is LESS than the energy coming out would it be a worth while fuel. Because if so the atmosphere will put the H20 back together and create a cycle , but I have doubt that it produces more energy than to make the radio waves.
radeo frequencies have been used for years to seperate h2o into hho. the salt just acts as a catylist to help the reaction along. bet he cant get half the flame with distilled water.remember power, sound, radeo waves, all emitt electricity in one form or another. the trick is to use the least amount of power to create the most amount of fuel. which i found a way to do for free
yes, I've figured out how to improve solar power by at least tenfold. Now I'm under 24 hour surveillance, constant death threats, LRAD harassment and cause stalking. If this invention was a threat to oil we wouldn't see this vid.
The saltwater is not "ignited." Unlike burning say, oil, if here the water were REMOVED from the radiowaves, the flame would immediately extinguish.
The question then becomes: How much energy is required to produce the effect?
It's easy to know the answer: Since he doesn't even MENTION that aspect, you can be sure it has low efficiency (or even negative efficiency). BELIEVE ME, he knows that, and the scientists he's shown it to also know that. ;)
I've done a little searching around about this. The consensus opinion is that the flame is nothing other than burning hydrogen. That means the radiowaves are dissociating water so that the hydrogen can be burned.
The fact is that it can NEVER take less energy to dissociate water than can be gained by putting water back together again (i.e., burning it, i.e., recombining it with oxygen).
well not according to zero point energy and etherology where energy can be gained from nothing. I believe in the future energy out of nothing can be harvestet and the conservation of law would be obsolete since it does not take into account the multidimensionality of matter/energy. See string theory for this(gravitons might also help to relate to the "chained knowledge")
Dreamy, science-fiction, "warp drives" aren't necessary. There's PLENTY of energy for us, and we already know how to get as much as we could ever want: FUSION. We need only to learn better how to manage the reaction to get what we want.
also there are other energy sources that can run cars etc, it's just that there is too much money in petrol and they want to get as much out of it as they can-petrol companies end up buying the rights to make electric cars etc, but with-holding them until petrol is completely gone.
Oh, you're absolutely right, nirvanafan. Our overdependence on oil as a source of energy is clearly a result of politics, and of the influence of huge corporations on government.
There are MANY excellent alternatives for running cars. An example of one of the LESSER ones is given by Brazil: they simply decided they didn't want to be subject to the politics of oil, and easily grew enough sugar cane and beet to completely fill their needs with alcohol instead of oil.
If this is true, it would solve the flooding problems the world is having. Less water means the glaciers get to melt all they want, since we'll be dissociating water once it reaches our shores. We've got more ocean then oil, at the very least. So we'll just have to hope that by the time we run out of ocean, solar energy is up to tech and can bind it back together for us. It might not be ethical, but I think it is a hopeful solution to energy problems, should it work.
Sorry, that wouldn't work. First of all, the energy is produced by joining the hydrogen BACK TOGETHER with oxygen (i.e., "burning")--the product of that burning is...water--the same water that was dissociated. So there's no net loss of water.
But the ultimate reason it will never be used is that it would violate the most fundamental laws of chemistry: you CANNOT yield more energy from a reaction going one way (H2 + O >> H2O) than it COSTS to go the other way (H2O >> H2 + O2).
I realized what you meant after I posted my reply. I thought you meant that we need another contraption that uses energy to put the scattered O's and H's back together as to not run out of water. But then I realized that by joining you meant burning. My mistake.
all con points aside, I say just go for it. He just figured this out after all. There's always room for refinement. Get some engineers on this and who knows what's possible. And besides haters, he's at least doing something.
Can anybody out there please tell me how to get my hands on one of these raido wave generators for cheap, or how to build one please mail me leave lots of info if you can Thanks.
Common on, use some common sense here. There is no way that that tiny little Sterling engine could produce more electricity than the radio wave machine is using to heat the salt water. And this applies to any scale. If you had a huge steam generator using heat from a similarly large radio wave heater, you would be losing energy not saving it.
I personally think that this technology has already been used.Weather it be by us on earth or another being, as there has been a number of sightings of unknown flying objectives hovering above the sea appearing to be sucking it up(refueling). Look it up on youtube!
Problem that I see is whats your source of EM radiation? If thats the trigger that breaks the water, what happens when you turn the source off? The atoms would cool, and the flame would die. I have a feeling hes plugging his emitter into a 110v socket. Not a bad idea, but much more development in a radio source needed. I've always wondered tho, can high energy nuclear waste provide power? If its going to be radiating for thousands of years, why not?
Yes, Actinuon, I agree that high energy nuclear waste might as well be used for power, but as a debating point it won't be allowed unless things get desperate, as it will fuel (pun intended) arguments for the continued use of nuclear as a primary source of power.
As for using seawater as a source of power using radio waves - it takes more power to generate the radio waves than the 'burning' of the salt water provides, so the idea, although initially worth pursuing, has not been successful.
A chemist claimed that the heat (coming from radiation, no doubt) destabilised the H2O. Nonsense. If it were heat, then we would have been burning salt water thousands of years ago, by accident alone.
The destabilisation is electromagnetic, and that's why there may be a lot more in this than they're letting on. Electromagnetic waves can be sustained efficiently, contained within a standing wave.
Negative. Superheated steam passed through a tin mesh disassociates into hydrogen and oxygen, which immediately recombine on the other side. In other words, the tin acts like a catalyst at a certain temperature, and something similar is happening here as well.
Which is all irrelevant, since I am 100% sure more energy is required to create the effect we see than can possibly be derived from it. It is an interesting experiment, but not the breakthrough claimed.
It's not so much how much energ is used as where it comes from. energy comes to earth every day, use that in a solar plant, run the machine and it's clean energy.
Problem with your theory is your starting with lots of clean energy (your solar panels) and this process takes that energy and reduces it by about 80% and leaves you with less usefull heat energy.
Your much better off just using the solar power in real time unless you can generate much more then you can use.
WONT WORK!!! In order to light the water on fire it has to get energy from the radio waves, which gets energy from an AC outlet I'm sure. Electrical energy from the wall is transformed to radiation which is transfered to the water, which is transformed into chemical energy (2H2 + O2), the Hydrogen is burned converting the chemical energy into thermal energy. You waste energy from scattered radio waves. You might as well plug that motor into the wall. At least then it would be more efficient.
Relax dude (mystuff)..his idea is conceptual. Now that we know salt water can be used for fuel, all we must do is find a cost efficient way to perpetuate it. besides, you have no idea how much energy it took the radio frequency device to emit. You know, when this experiment first aired, mysteriously a multitude of posts started popping up trying to down play the discovery...hmmmm, I wonder who the posters work for. YOU CANT STOP THE PEOPLE!!!
Or we could wait for someone other then reporters going for ratings to actually make a claim that salt water can be used to create energy, even those involved carefully avoid making that claim.
Dude, check your electricity bill. My God, people educate yourself a little. It's impossible to magically get more energy out than is in there in the first place. Creating hydrogen gas with his oh so magical "radio frequencer" costs a whole bunch of energy. Netto, he machine is probably consuming a few kW for every W generated by that silly Stirling engine placed on top of the flame.
You just think that religion and science don't work together.I read an thing about a set of caculations that the did at MIT in the last couples of years or so.They said that IF changes took place EVERY second for the last 10 billion years that they still wouldn't be where they are right now. As for God playing Santa Claus He don't, count on it.But He will meet your needs and we need freed from our situation.I know you can go along with that. Can you compress hydrogen?
not sure what you're talking about but i assume it's evolution. i'm not an atheist, and i suspect a "divine-guided evolution," but that's highly off topic anyways, and that mit study does nothing to validate creationism. besides, people needed freed from bubonic plague, but millions perished for centuries anyways. god guides souls toward eternal life, so i doubt our desire to have cars to putt around in is high on his priority list, since it's not crucial to the survival of the human race.
I'm from Ky.and back 20,21 yrs ago UK basketball was in some HOT water over
someone sending a recruit cash. Well Eddie Sutton was out. It bothered me badly.Anyhow
I remember making some mention to the Lord
about it. One day while I was thinkin' on it.
It was as if I saw a bad storm,then it cleared off into a pretty day and He told me that it would be bad for a while,then they would have glory. Well after that they hired Rick Pitino.....
it's that old trick ministers use, if you pray and things get better, then praise the lord! if you pray and things don't get better, then the lord is testing you so have faith and keep praying.
now replace the word "lord" with "the cinder block" or "the zuchini" and it still works.
personally i don't pray for luck, i pray for understanding, that my misfortunes in this world are inconsequential because it's a passing, transitory existence here anyways.
What are you talking about jwallbanger? This man is igniting salt water with radio waves. My first question was 'is there a next energy gain?'. But instead you are rambling about your distaste for other peoples religion with could hardly have less to do with the subject at hand.
that was part of another conversation that the other guy took in the direction of divine providence somehow. i acknowledged it was off topic before i responded, that should have clued you in, but anyways, net energy gain? what are YOU talking about? there isn't any energy to be released in water, it's like the ash left over when hydrogen has already spent it's energy. you have to add energy back in to get the free hydrogen, and you can never possibly get all that energy back out. thermodynamics.
Calculations are only as good as the boundaries and references set by the calculators.
They don't prove a thing, they only suggest likelihoods.
For instance, a few thousand years ago a few men who could only be regarded as ignorant and misinformed by today's standards talked and wrote about the mystery of being, and people like you believe their claim that an omnipotent being caused everything.
How likely is that?
It's very disappointing we haven't evolved beyond that.
The inventor was poisoned in a restaurant 4 months after the public announce of the discovery.
Keysforge 1 month ago
DOnt listen to that suppressive BS about more energy in that out garbage...
its just a regular machine ya plug into the wall.. that's a different matter that they are using to divert the issue away from this successful electrolysis discovery
the issue of power doesn't seem to worry the HHO cell people now does it, so why this.. naaaa the question is here.. WHAT frequency is used to do this kind of water splitting !
frank0067 3 months ago
steve mayer already had a water powered car google it
Dubious07 7 months ago
the meter on his invention goes from 200 to 1,400 watts! But still an amazing eye opener.
westendproductions 7 months ago
@westendproductions
hey how the hell did u know its 1400 watts? are u just making an uneducated guess to discourage people?
JenMichel100 2 months ago
@JenMichel100 only because at 0:29 they show a meter. max is 1400
westendproductions 1 month ago
@westendproductions
wahahaha what a hell,,,, it did not point at 14000
JenMichel100 1 month ago
@JenMichel100 how much to you think it takes?
westendproductions 1 month ago
@bohemiachris We talk about energy-in vs. energy-out because there are facts in the Physics that are inviolable. The energy required to break the hydrogen/oxygen bond is equal to the energy produced when they recombine (burn together). There may be a catalyst that when added to water would weaken the bond of the water molecule, but one has not been found in many decades of looking. The salt in this experiment only improves the conductivity of the water. Just another perpetual motion scam.
bafrank3poc 9 months ago
@bafrank3poc This is the problem in this day when so many have such poor educations in simple science. . .particularly the lack of scientific understanding of the reporters covering such stories. Heck, if one is gullible enough to accept microwave bombardment of water requires less energy than the energy produced when recombined, such people will also believe we can make Alcohol from corn that provides more energy that the energy required to make the alcohol. H2O nor corn are practical energy.
bafrank3poc 9 months ago
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A707B2 9 months ago
Alex Voss goes to the land of the unusual in lesson 23 "witty inventions" and shows how to make the John Kanzius water burner practical along with several other inventions. tvecourse witty inventions
tvecourse 10 months ago
dont take that mation on a boat and turn it on...
wiles5555 11 months ago
Yes, now the machine is a tad clumsy, way too big and uses great amounts of energy. Lets see it evolve into a tiny phone size radio emitting gadget that runs on alkaline batteries making water still burn at 1500 degrees.. and we'll be there. Anyone remember the first computers as big as tennis courts? And yet your kid's phone has more computing power than those behemoths ever did. food for thought: let us improve things instead of just criticizing them. :)
fburzaco 1 year ago 2
@fburzaco Yeah, except that you can't. The laws of physics are rather unforgiving.
MathDoobler 11 months ago
@MathDoobler yes, but what humans ignore about them is, qell, unknown. And as far as I can deduce, phisycs are what allow miniaturization. You want big energy from small source? E=mc2
fburzaco 10 months ago
Is this energy expended greater than what is produced?
benjamin5028 1 year ago
We are the real energy ... all creation is the results of our thoughts (radio waves) .. if we unite unconditionally we already have everything without machines! Please give your God thoughts, try to communicate with all beings; water, air, plants, animals, earth, sun, moon, stars and each other .. try to bless them .. future will become heaven!
originalhome 1 year ago
no1 cares get this guy on the scene in 200 years when we run out of oil
daveygravey123456 1 year ago
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it's very interesting and in the future it may be very important for us.
MrGebriala 1 year ago
it's very interesting and in the future it may be very important for us.
MrGebriala 1 year ago
Good questions from below that need to be answered by journalism major news doofuses:
"The question is, does it consume more or less energy then it uses to create the effect. Unless it produces more energy then it uses to produce the radio waves it's just a fancy parlor trick."
"Can this still burn after the machine is turned off? If it can't then it won't be effiecent at all. But if it can then the radio frequency machine would only have to be on for a second during the whole run."
libertarianjury 1 year ago
@libertarianjury Yeah, I was kind of shocked at how gullible and ignorant (of science) the news reporters seem to have been on this story, too. "Salt water is the only fuel." Yeah, except for the giant RF input energy he blasts the salt water with to get that tiny flame out of it.
It's still kind of an interesting creation though. I kind of wish he put out the design details so that it could be built.
MathDoobler 11 months ago
One such use for this device is in a nuclear submarine, where they can at least produce oxygen from sea water using this method, depending on the quantity and their ability to separate the oxygen from the hydrogen while under water.
I am sure that we are close to discovering how to make a fusion reactor that is actually practical.
Josemedeiros 1 year ago
@Josemedeiros does fusion make more energy than fission? even so, is it safe in terms of waste? im really asking this
dzgfdg 1 year ago
@dzgfdg Depends. High energy nucleus' benefit more from fission as far as I know..
IntoxicatedHumans 1 year ago
@Josemedeiros I'm pretty sure nuclear submarines have been doing what you're saying for the past 40+ years, except with conventional electrolysis, although I might be wrong on that. Also, electrolysis produces the gases separately at each electrode (which is useful), while this RF process almost certainly makes a mixture.
MathDoobler 11 months ago
The question is, does it consume more or less energy then it uses to create the effect. Unless it produces more energy then it uses to produce the radio waves it's just a fancy parlor trick.
tsnrhm 1 year ago 8
@tsnrhm you cant get more enrgy out of something than you put in... and the salt water is only ubsorbing a little bit of the energy that the machine is makeing nto waves... altho we have been looking for ways to se salt water for along time. but the idea to cure cancer with this is grate. injecting tiny tiny particals of gold and silver that are attracted by the cells adnormality then heated up to kill that cancer cell
MrStemkilla 6 months ago
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@tsnrhm
we must remember that radio waves can penetrate a hundred feet below an ocean of salt water......... so with more volume and more amount of water expose to radio wave, i believe it can produce large amount of heat and energy.
JenMichel100 2 months ago
if you turn of the machine does the salt water still burn? or does it go out? /:
3eneboy 1 year ago
Can this still burn after the machine is turned off? If it can't then it won't be effiecent at all. But if it can then the radio frequency machine would only have to be on for a second during the whole run.
EpicSqrl 1 year ago
@EpicSqrl
I think you could you could put the machine in your car & modify it to distribute it's spark just as your car ignition does now. You'd only want to ignition to take place in the cylinder and only in short spurts.
if this machine simply ignites the water, then can be turned off and the water still burns it would be catastrophic!....for the planet!!
Cootabux 1 year ago
yeah a darn good fairy tale
INSIDERPRODUCTS 1 year ago
Even though Im reading the comments and yes it does use a lot of energy to gain the product but also remember that this is still at its early stages. Anything can happen in the next few years and it all depends if we want to take to the next level.
BadManJan 1 year ago
@BadManJan Exactly, the majority of people don't get excited by discovery, that takes a visionary. For example, if you're ever seeking investment funding, it's ok to pitch angel inverters with the abstract. But, never pitch VCs without the implementation. Not because they cant appreciate it, but because they know that the majority whom they represent. cannot get behind potential twice removed.
richardcorsale 1 year ago
Please don't let some big oil company buy this and it disappear. This is the perfect timing after seeing what a horrible thing we've done to our environment by drilling for oil.
colormontage 1 year ago
Hhhhmmmpphhh . . . .. But he's using electricity to power the radio waves that are heating the saltwater. Put energy in to get energy out? Doesn't sound like it's producing anything.
mdntdncr 1 year ago
I KNOW that you can split hydrogen to oxygen, with electricity, BUT DID ANYONE notice that when the reporter took water from the canal behind his hause! And when they said its from the same water source? Well i have lived in sw florida and if you payattention you see that the water is TOO clean!! Even if you use that little it WILL be a light brown because its full of microbes and all bacterial stuff....
earthmoonmars 1 year ago
this is similar to how Stan Meyer excited H2O molecules prior to splitting only Meyer used lasers.
MattBlytheTheOne 1 year ago
i am a surfer and recently i ignored an article in the courier mail outlining how one day we will look back and laugh about how we used to surf for free. now i know what they were getting at lol
gassytank 1 year ago
It's too late. Gatorade already bought the rights to salt water.
dreamburn1 1 year ago
john Kanzius please contact me i live in tornoto ontario canada love to pitch this the the canadian people and government
rodrick4500 1 year ago
I wanted this to be the new rocket fuel, if so then we can go into space daily.
RIOT690 1 year ago
@RIOT690 this is the rocket fuel...they use H and O
dzgfdg 1 year ago
Aaah damn, now saltwater price will go up.....
paronfisk 1 year ago
Wow, it can turn a flywheel for two minutes and all you need is salt water and an 800 watt radio frequency generator.
MikeM8891 1 year ago
Two minutes. Impressive. What would probably be even more impressive is how much power he used with his "radio frequency generator". He might have got a couple hundred watts out at the expense of several kilowatts in.
radamec76 1 year ago
Is the energy being produced anywhere near the energy consumed by that machine?
suxatguitar1 1 year ago 13
@suxatguitar1 if they can make the radiowave flat or put a lot of test tubes that the area of the wave can handle. imagine 100 test tubes burning, woudlnt that be 100x ??
mousergz 9 months ago
@suxatguitar1 if they can make the radiowave flat or put a lot of test tubes that the area of the wave can handle. imagine 100 test tubes burning, woudlnt that be 100x ??
mousergz 9 months ago
@suxatguitar1
we must remember that radio waves can penetrate a hundred feet below an ocean of salt water......... so with more volume and more amount of water expose to radio wave, i believe it can produce large amount of heat and energy.
JenMichel100 2 months ago
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What a discovery! Can the energy produced by the Seawater be greater then the energy required to power the Radio wave generator? The heat could also be used to purify sea water by superheating the steam, and also producing electrical power by turning Steam Turbine Generators.
Jose F. Medeiros
San Jose, California
Josemedeiros 2 years ago
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Josemedeiros 2 years ago
maybe this explains how GOD talked to Moses in a burning bush. According to the old testament the bush was on fire, BUT WAS NOT CONSUMED BY THE FIRE. Perhaps there was a lot of salt in that area of the world, and perhaps there was a lot of humidity in the air or something. It's hard to say, but still interesting to think about...the power of GOD communicating to Moses via high energy like radio or microwaves. The more I think about it, the more interesting it sounds.
adamrspears1981 2 years ago
do u think god would need to obey physical laws? ;) there's no need to think of such things, unless u're sayin some1 staged up the burning bush event by using this method in ancient times. anyway most likely explanation is that it was hot desert and some1 forgot to drink and was hallucinatin :P
DonMega187 2 years ago
HAHA
suxatguitar1 1 year ago
NOPE will never happen.
Rasts 2 years ago
1:24 "the the energy is in fact hydrogen. The the heat breaks down the hydrogen oxygen bond in the water"
wait, what? what do they mean by this?
A) they were told that the energy is derived from the hydrogen-oxygen bond breaking in water. That doesnt make sense, energy is required to break bonds.
B) hydrogen burns and produces heat to further split water into more fuel. maybe interesting, still energy-inefficient.
MasterFebo 2 years ago
Who gives a shit, it works!!!!
nebulareclipse 2 years ago
THANK YOU!
wildmantis1 1 year ago
radio waves and electromagnetic waves continue to produce unexplainable effects in matter... it may be time to start thinking out of the box...
asf4321 2 years ago
coo foo
denuskaz 2 years ago
right a huge radio transmitter, to separate fuel and oxygen, to burn it and run a small steam engine lol.
Talk about stepping back hundreds of years.
helipilot727 2 years ago 3
@helipilot727 well..its just in its infancy....all that needs to happen is to re-engineer it for it to be smaller and better some how
alixix 1 year ago
I've had something similar happen for years.....with greenbeans in the microwave. We make them with beef soup base. When you heat up the left overs in the microwave the next day they shoot flames out the end of the green beans. Sometimes it's instantly or within a few seconds. Other times it doesn't happen at all. It will get your attention when you have 5 inch flames shooting out of your beans.......lol. The flame goes out the second the microwave door is opened.....beans unburnt.
FlamingGreenBeans 2 years ago
I'm thinking the green bean is like the paper towel and the mineral like soup base is the salt, but how does the microwave act as a frequency generator???
FlamingGreenBeans 2 years ago
@FlamingGreenBeans - Because that's exactly what a microwave is. A frequency generator in a box. MICRO WAVES excite the water particles causing them to heat up. Check the back of your microwave and you can see what frequency it runs at.
So great, using radio waves to generate HHO from water. How does it's output compair to DC current methods? Microwaves use a lot of power to generate so how efficient is this really?
This
illtrax 2 years ago
I noticed the power input (Only the most important issue!) was never mentioned. Go figure. I could hear the transformer..so I would guess a lot!
13thLabyrinth 2 years ago
Now All you need is 1. 21 Jiggawatts !!!
9Paradigm 2 years ago 3
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SCADZO 2 years ago
He died of pneumonia, which can be encouraged by inhaling too much chlorine in an enclosed space, which was what he was doing by electrolysing brine in his lab. I think it's safe to say that he killed himself.
patch5 2 years ago
yeah they did kill this guy... and they have a video of him sticking his hand in the machine and nothing happens but he doesnt do it for long... and also its the salt in the water not the water itself
josh86mb 2 years ago
THEY KILLED THIS POOR BASTARD!
thezenofsurf 2 years ago
Does anyone want to hazard a guess at how much power this radio frequency generator consumes because if its more than the output then its not viable of course. Still its a novel idea that could have applications beyond fuel. What happens if the guy puts his hand in there - its 60% water after all.
Grimlythedwarf 2 years ago
Actually I just saw the guy put his hand in(on another vid) and nothing exciting happens but thats not to say the cells in his hand weren't affected somehow. What happens to the chlorine thats given off by the salt - can this use a more friendly salt (baking powder/bicarb or is that just another way to increase carbon dioxide emissions)?
Grimlythedwarf 2 years ago
put a shirt on
elpicsid001 2 years ago
check part one
DrummerInTheCity1091 2 years ago
Congratulations!!! You are now officially in the government's hit list.
litetheory 2 years ago 2
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Good day to all of my fellow Christians, firstly my apology for being out of topic. I came here to remind you people that the judgment day has started already. Please depart from cursing, smoking, violent entertainment, fornication, occultism, and for watching pornography etc. lest you be found not worthy to enter the kingdom of God in the Day of Execution. Thank you for your kind consideration.
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conceil8 2 years ago
So if I do any of those things from now on I'm safe? Well thats a relief. I wouldn't want to die for saying fuck. oops. shit i'm dead... oh well. But seriously, Judgment Day is next Friday at 4:30 pm. God might be late so be prepared for 4:35. I'm fucked but the rest of you still have a shot. Good luck. LoLz
lakeoballguy 2 years ago
God hates trolls who go off topic. -1 for you. I hope you burn in Hell.
screamingmeanie 2 years ago
This doesn't relate to any topic either. So have fun in hell, I guess? Btw, this guys work is amazing. Pwnt :)
zachelliott1 2 years ago
Sorry I forgot to comment on the video. We're all hypocrites at some point. I don't even believe in Hell, so I can't burn in it. But, in an indirect way, I commented by rating it when I saw it. (And actually, it does relate to "some" topics, just not this one.) I liked the video. Pwnt is the most retarded word ever created.
screamingmeanie 2 years ago
It's still not right to just tell someone to burn in hell. Especially for nothing.
And pwnt is a very |stupid| word.
Never use the word retarded when given the chance. Some people take it offensivly.
zachelliott1 2 years ago
I'm an offensive individual, retard. Get the point yet? (I still like the video.)
Telling people what they can and can't do is offensive to many as well. Take your own advice some time, thank you very much. Morons like you are why I stopped commenting on vids a month ago. Thanks for giving me new fuel to my hatred.
screamingmeanie 2 years ago
Why bother commenting back if I'm a moron? Obviously you have problems stopping. Maybe its an addiction? You should get that checked. (Suggestion)
I didn't give you fuel for anything. It's not my fault you decide to be a dick, with telling people to burn in hell and what not.
zachelliott1 2 years ago
(Still like this vid.) I comment back because I can. Don't like it? Don't talk to me. I can stop, I choose to continue. You should mind your own business. (Suggestion) You did give me fuel. You replied to my comment. I returned a reply. No, it's not your fault that I decide to be a dick, but, it is your fault that I decide to be a dick to you. You replied to me. Don't like it? Get bent. I can say what I want, I live in a free country. P.S. You went off topic hypocrite. I hope you burn in Hell.
screamingmeanie 2 years ago
Actually, I stayed on topic. I stayed on topic to what we were saying. Maybe I should mind my own business. I choose to continue. [:)] Who said I didn't like arguing with complete idiots? Reply to comments usually isn't fuel for anything. If you consider that fuel, maybe you should get off Youtube for a bit. It's not my choosing of who's a dick to me. You were a dick to someone else, I said something, next thing I know, it's directed at me. STFU and go die.
zachelliott1 2 years ago
No, the topic is the video. If we go by you way of thinking, I was on topic when I replied to the troll, and you have proven yourself a moron. Reply to comments is fuel thought. It's why it's here. You choose who is a dick to you when you stick your nose in other peoples business. I was a dick to a moron, you butted in, and now I'm a dick to you. You're reason for commenting was because I said something mean, and now you told me to die. Welcome to the hypocrite club.
screamingmeanie 2 years ago
I'm only mean to people who deserve it, you obviously did. But I guess it doesn't matter. I have no clue why I started this convo, I don't believe in god, heaven, devil, or hell. So whatever. lol.
zachelliott1 2 years ago
So something doesn't exist if you simply believe it doesn't exist? Up! Its time to graduate to preschool!
tremulent 2 years ago
Get back under your bridge, troll. I graduated preschool, and much more whether you believe it or not.
screamingmeanie 2 years ago
ocean is gonna be toast when we find a large wick...
WtShtF101 2 years ago
this is nonsense! using electricity for produce other energy is just stupid!
MueraTelevisa 2 years ago
not if energy input is smaller then energy output
maciejwrotek 2 years ago
Energy out = energy in, minus any losses. (like the stray radiation cooking your gray-matter.)
I got some free energy for you -- go burn some buffalo chips!!!
Native Americans knew about this, many moons ago.
itsmrdavid 2 years ago 3
1 question, ...
How much electricity does it take to run the machine that turns on the salt water lighter? I think it's a pretty safe bet that it's WAY more than you could possibly extract from that flame. You know what with the conservation of energy and everything.
This sh1t shouldn't be entertained even for one second. It's bunk.
tak2mark 2 years ago
1 answer, ...
You could do pretty much the same thing with some copper wire, a couple of car batteries and a couple of hand-held radios. All the guy is doing, is using high-frequency radio waves to make the salt in the water able to burn. I think the guy has actually come up with something useful regardless.
ShadowDracos 2 years ago 3
This looks more like radio electrolysis. Water does not burn even if you add salt. The water is being separated from H2O to HHO. HHO burns. (and produces water) LOL LOL, .... This is not magic, there's no such thing as magic. you lemmings have to start to have some critical thinking of your own. Just because someone says something out loud doesn't mean it's true.
What you've witnessed is 'radio electrolysis'
It doesn't cure cancer and it doesn't burn water either.
tak2mark 2 years ago
Yes, after I watched this video, I have the same though, how about electrolysis sea water and burn the fuel.
tunderman66 2 years ago
what happend to its research nothing good is happening in this field ???
nibus9 2 years ago
And for those who think this man is using microwaves....umm....you are so wrong! A microwave oven has a 'safety-switch' built into it to shut it down when you open the door...kinda like the fridge light comes on when you open it. No little people are in the fridge turning on the lights! If these were microwave this man's hand would be burned...most of the human body is made of water. Or maybe not.....cell phones don't 'burn' anybody....as far as we know....hhhmmm.....interesting!
AnimePlanet7 2 years ago
It amazes me he dumb some of you guys responces are up here! One knuclkehead's talking about radiation (nuke) and the corny jokes made out of ignorance. I have one question for all the 'boneheads'....What does the Spaceshuttle 'run' off of. (clue: it's in that big orange tank)What is water made out of? And then you get these people talking about all this radiation. LOL ! I bet lots of these folks own cell phones! What 'transmits' the data from the cell phone to the air? Maybe it's 'pixie dust'??
AnimePlanet7 2 years ago
Yea most people don't think before they type. These people tend to show you how ignorant they are.
anus565 2 years ago 2
Be careful playing with those radio waves and electrolysis with salt water. You can get nuked and poisoned by poisonous chlorine gas byproducts.
Oops too late....
Dead at age 64.
Now all those freaks will now say he was killed by some big oil or the government.
This is a scam ok.
robertyt2 2 years ago
Ditto. The cost of electricity for powering his little radio wave device is "mysteriously" not mentioned. Then again, if people had taken Tesla seriously, we'd all have free electricity that we could just pull out of the air. *shakes fist at Edison*
machinenvy 2 years ago
well Tesla was taken quite seriously, and has practicaly invented radiowaves
dinkolino2 2 years ago
Probably will never happen, oil companies will hush it down, or else this would have been national news, not local. then again, im rather skeptical to the american media (For some unexplainable reason... O.o)
RoronoaZoro222 3 years ago
Probably because their a bunch of ignorant morons who report stupid crap like this. It never got past local news because it takes a dollars worth of electricity and turns it into a dimes worth of heat.
BugNuggets 2 years ago
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RoronoaZoro222 3 years ago
And also what if the radiowave transmittors were not built into the engines but were mounted along the side the road. That way they could be powered by another renewable resource such as concetrated solar or wind, and then it doesnt matter if more energy is used for the process than is got out of it, you still have a fuel which can be easily transported.
abecambridge 3 years ago
Wonder if any other electrolytes other than salt would result in the same reaction. Can someone design an rf plug rather than a sperk plug. Then we just need a big power source to run the rf plug right. very interesting, I think this could be a fun experiment to play around with.
Wonder if you could adjust the frquency and just fracture the water without immediate ignition?
jwsoup 3 years ago
I like to see him mircowave his hand there and watch the gas come out of his finger tip and light it up. A lot of energy was used just to nuke a little bit of water to make a little fame.
A candle is more energy efficient and a lot cheaper too..
robertyt2 3 years ago
Who cares how hot it gets, its all about BTUs and watts of energy. you can melt a brick with a magnifying glass that doesn't mean you're making energy. It may be 3,000 degrees in a single point but that doesn't mean there is more than 300watts of energy.
razorx71 3 years ago
neato video. It makes people discuss the topic and that's great.
kaduisaui 3 years ago
well it burns somewhere around 3000 F so that radio device prob uses 300 watts so lets think about this to make crystalline silicon
you need a temp of 2742 F... well it look like i could run a fuckin train on this shit ppl its a goddamn radio wave emitter but i wont stop there ill tell you exactly what the radio device produces here is the price ill post again with watts on cite
saintjames0 3 years ago
an you see my reply ok here is a print of what a similar machine and i mean goddamn close enough to be your fucking twin sister motherfuckers Specifications:
Operating Voltage: AC220V
Output Frequency: 10MHz
Power Consumption: 300W
Display Usage: LCD touch screen
Dimension: 400(W) 490(D) 1050(H)mm
saintjames0 3 years ago
it cost around 280.00 us dollars for that machine im buying one you would be smart and get one 2
saintjames0 3 years ago
show us what the microwave machine consumes and then we speak...
paraipanakos 3 years ago
i hate to be such a naysayer, but:
the other problem is that the salt is not burning (thankfully or else we'd probably get mustard gas in the fumes), therefore salt will always accumulate as a residue. Unless one were to remove the salt after each run, one would need to use fresh water and just reuse the salt from the previous run. However to incorporate this technique in power generators for the masses or engines would mean we would run our fresh water resources, which are already scarce, dry
sinan32121 3 years ago
Could the residue not be cleaned out mechanically and therefore not need fresh water?
abecambridge 3 years ago
ENERGY CONVERSION thats what it is
johnpaoloflores 3 years ago
Salt water is not the fuel here! It is electricity.
The energy used by the radio wave generator will always be more than the energy from the heat of the flame.
This is all that is happening:
Energy from electricity converts to radio waves which converts to chemical energy which converts to heat.
timmysand08 3 years ago 3
Can the frequency of magnetic waves off of magnets be altered?
zantyr 3 years ago
fuckin good question im gonna start researchin shit becasue of what you just said
saintjames0 3 years ago
Oh ya, its just that easy! Also, no, you can't convert the magnetic field into a specific and infinitely stronger radio frequency.
Kune35 3 years ago
measure the amount of electricity used to produce the radiowaves , then convertflame into electric energy and compared the two. IF and only if the energy being used to produce the radio waves is LESS than the energy coming out would it be a worth while fuel. Because if so the atmosphere will put the H20 back together and create a cycle , but I have doubt that it produces more energy than to make the radio waves.
zantyr 3 years ago
radeo frequencies have been used for years to seperate h2o into hho. the salt just acts as a catylist to help the reaction along. bet he cant get half the flame with distilled water.remember power, sound, radeo waves, all emitt electricity in one form or another. the trick is to use the least amount of power to create the most amount of fuel. which i found a way to do for free
powerzap69 3 years ago
If I was a mad scientist I'd make a really big em generator and threaten to burn the oceans.
McConsumer 3 years ago
that is the greatest idea I've heard since the internet! thanks for the lawlz! :)
allenboy0 3 years ago
yes, I've figured out how to improve solar power by at least tenfold. Now I'm under 24 hour surveillance, constant death threats, LRAD harassment and cause stalking. If this invention was a threat to oil we wouldn't see this vid.
southirishking 3 years ago
People are so gullible.
The saltwater is not "ignited." Unlike burning say, oil, if here the water were REMOVED from the radiowaves, the flame would immediately extinguish.
The question then becomes: How much energy is required to produce the effect?
It's easy to know the answer: Since he doesn't even MENTION that aspect, you can be sure it has low efficiency (or even negative efficiency). BELIEVE ME, he knows that, and the scientists he's shown it to also know that. ;)
GetMeThere1 3 years ago
Good observation. Now they have to work on getting a cheap source of radiowaves.
ritaturner 3 years ago
I've done a little searching around about this. The consensus opinion is that the flame is nothing other than burning hydrogen. That means the radiowaves are dissociating water so that the hydrogen can be burned.
The fact is that it can NEVER take less energy to dissociate water than can be gained by putting water back together again (i.e., burning it, i.e., recombining it with oxygen).
This will NEVER be a source of energy.
GetMeThere1 3 years ago
well not according to zero point energy and etherology where energy can be gained from nothing. I believe in the future energy out of nothing can be harvestet and the conservation of law would be obsolete since it does not take into account the multidimensionality of matter/energy. See string theory for this(gravitons might also help to relate to the "chained knowledge")
faethontas 3 years ago
Yeah, right. Whatever.
Dreamy, science-fiction, "warp drives" aren't necessary. There's PLENTY of energy for us, and we already know how to get as much as we could ever want: FUSION. We need only to learn better how to manage the reaction to get what we want.
GetMeThere1 3 years ago
also there are other energy sources that can run cars etc, it's just that there is too much money in petrol and they want to get as much out of it as they can-petrol companies end up buying the rights to make electric cars etc, but with-holding them until petrol is completely gone.
nirvanafan833 3 years ago
Oh, you're absolutely right, nirvanafan. Our overdependence on oil as a source of energy is clearly a result of politics, and of the influence of huge corporations on government.
There are MANY excellent alternatives for running cars. An example of one of the LESSER ones is given by Brazil: they simply decided they didn't want to be subject to the politics of oil, and easily grew enough sugar cane and beet to completely fill their needs with alcohol instead of oil.
GetMeThere1 3 years ago
If this is true, it would solve the flooding problems the world is having. Less water means the glaciers get to melt all they want, since we'll be dissociating water once it reaches our shores. We've got more ocean then oil, at the very least. So we'll just have to hope that by the time we run out of ocean, solar energy is up to tech and can bind it back together for us. It might not be ethical, but I think it is a hopeful solution to energy problems, should it work.
Verse1234567 3 years ago
Sorry, that wouldn't work. First of all, the energy is produced by joining the hydrogen BACK TOGETHER with oxygen (i.e., "burning")--the product of that burning is...water--the same water that was dissociated. So there's no net loss of water.
But the ultimate reason it will never be used is that it would violate the most fundamental laws of chemistry: you CANNOT yield more energy from a reaction going one way (H2 + O >> H2O) than it COSTS to go the other way (H2O >> H2 + O2).
GetMeThere1 3 years ago
I realized what you meant after I posted my reply. I thought you meant that we need another contraption that uses energy to put the scattered O's and H's back together as to not run out of water. But then I realized that by joining you meant burning. My mistake.
Verse1234567 3 years ago
all con points aside, I say just go for it. He just figured this out after all. There's always room for refinement. Get some engineers on this and who knows what's possible. And besides haters, he's at least doing something.
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WaterAsFuelNow 3 years ago
Can anybody out there please tell me how to get my hands on one of these raido wave generators for cheap, or how to build one please mail me leave lots of info if you can Thanks.
joe1465 3 years ago
Common on, use some common sense here. There is no way that that tiny little Sterling engine could produce more electricity than the radio wave machine is using to heat the salt water. And this applies to any scale. If you had a huge steam generator using heat from a similarly large radio wave heater, you would be losing energy not saving it.
AVSteve 3 years ago
Get the fuck out.
Imagine the implications for sea travel.
How much power is consumed by the rf generator?
PrometheusWithLight 3 years ago
The keyk is how much energy is inputed vs how much can be harnessed, if its less then its pretty much useless.
winst27 3 years ago
I want a radio frequency generator spark plug so that I can fill my tank with water and GO!
Salt in the tank is not good for metal.
ayshortier 3 years ago
Who needs metal when you have plastic......
ufmo 3 years ago
I personally think that this technology has already been used.Weather it be by us on earth or another being, as there has been a number of sightings of unknown flying objectives hovering above the sea appearing to be sucking it up(refueling). Look it up on youtube!
hardcastle222 3 years ago
I can't believe you wrote that comment trying to be intelligent
manto27manto 3 years ago
pardollada, you have a series if less than 100% efficient steps in your hypothesis.
Let's say sunlight = 100%
Battery bank conversion might be as high as 50% one day.
Radio Wave conversion of salt water is 20%
You have 10% of the power you started with.
You might as well be happy with the initial solar conversion.
wtw88 3 years ago
Everyone here should just get an electric car or look for them and stfu already, water/hydrogen doesn't work if you want high efficiency
ArielCaboob 3 years ago
Problem that I see is whats your source of EM radiation? If thats the trigger that breaks the water, what happens when you turn the source off? The atoms would cool, and the flame would die. I have a feeling hes plugging his emitter into a 110v socket. Not a bad idea, but much more development in a radio source needed. I've always wondered tho, can high energy nuclear waste provide power? If its going to be radiating for thousands of years, why not?
Actinuon 3 years ago
Yes, Actinuon, I agree that high energy nuclear waste might as well be used for power, but as a debating point it won't be allowed unless things get desperate, as it will fuel (pun intended) arguments for the continued use of nuclear as a primary source of power.
As for using seawater as a source of power using radio waves - it takes more power to generate the radio waves than the 'burning' of the salt water provides, so the idea, although initially worth pursuing, has not been successful.
wtw88 3 years ago
I have seen this video removed several times already... someone should download it and save it for reference.
MannaBoBannaPeople 3 years ago
A chemist claimed that the heat (coming from radiation, no doubt) destabilised the H2O. Nonsense. If it were heat, then we would have been burning salt water thousands of years ago, by accident alone.
The destabilisation is electromagnetic, and that's why there may be a lot more in this than they're letting on. Electromagnetic waves can be sustained efficiently, contained within a standing wave.
andrewada 3 years ago
Negative. Superheated steam passed through a tin mesh disassociates into hydrogen and oxygen, which immediately recombine on the other side. In other words, the tin acts like a catalyst at a certain temperature, and something similar is happening here as well.
Which is all irrelevant, since I am 100% sure more energy is required to create the effect we see than can possibly be derived from it. It is an interesting experiment, but not the breakthrough claimed.
patrickbbishop 3 years ago
It's not so much how much energ is used as where it comes from. energy comes to earth every day, use that in a solar plant, run the machine and it's clean energy.
ShadowtheBirdKid 3 years ago
Problem with your theory is your starting with lots of clean energy (your solar panels) and this process takes that energy and reduces it by about 80% and leaves you with less usefull heat energy.
Your much better off just using the solar power in real time unless you can generate much more then you can use.
BugNuggets 3 years ago
You are right, BugNuggets.
wtw88 3 years ago
um me dumb me dont know about all the science and technology doh????
galfar9 3 years ago
WONT WORK!!! In order to light the water on fire it has to get energy from the radio waves, which gets energy from an AC outlet I'm sure. Electrical energy from the wall is transformed to radiation which is transfered to the water, which is transformed into chemical energy (2H2 + O2), the Hydrogen is burned converting the chemical energy into thermal energy. You waste energy from scattered radio waves. You might as well plug that motor into the wall. At least then it would be more efficient.
celesguy2 3 years ago
Relax dude (mystuff)..his idea is conceptual. Now that we know salt water can be used for fuel, all we must do is find a cost efficient way to perpetuate it. besides, you have no idea how much energy it took the radio frequency device to emit. You know, when this experiment first aired, mysteriously a multitude of posts started popping up trying to down play the discovery...hmmmm, I wonder who the posters work for. YOU CANT STOP THE PEOPLE!!!
WLKCONSULTING 3 years ago
Or we could wait for someone other then reporters going for ratings to actually make a claim that salt water can be used to create energy, even those involved carefully avoid making that claim.
BugNuggets 3 years ago
Dude, check your electricity bill. My God, people educate yourself a little. It's impossible to magically get more energy out than is in there in the first place. Creating hydrogen gas with his oh so magical "radio frequencer" costs a whole bunch of energy. Netto, he machine is probably consuming a few kW for every W generated by that silly Stirling engine placed on top of the flame.
mystuff2 3 years ago 4
You just think that religion and science don't work together.I read an thing about a set of caculations that the did at MIT in the last couples of years or so.They said that IF changes took place EVERY second for the last 10 billion years that they still wouldn't be where they are right now. As for God playing Santa Claus He don't, count on it.But He will meet your needs and we need freed from our situation.I know you can go along with that. Can you compress hydrogen?
Thunderbird404 3 years ago
not sure what you're talking about but i assume it's evolution. i'm not an atheist, and i suspect a "divine-guided evolution," but that's highly off topic anyways, and that mit study does nothing to validate creationism. besides, people needed freed from bubonic plague, but millions perished for centuries anyways. god guides souls toward eternal life, so i doubt our desire to have cars to putt around in is high on his priority list, since it's not crucial to the survival of the human race.
jwallbanger 3 years ago
You'd be surprised what's high on His list.
I'm from Ky.and back 20,21 yrs ago UK basketball was in some HOT water over
someone sending a recruit cash. Well Eddie Sutton was out. It bothered me badly.Anyhow
I remember making some mention to the Lord
about it. One day while I was thinkin' on it.
It was as if I saw a bad storm,then it cleared off into a pretty day and He told me that it would be bad for a while,then they would have glory. Well after that they hired Rick Pitino.....
Thunderbird404 3 years ago
yeah but you can't be sure god did that.
it's that old trick ministers use, if you pray and things get better, then praise the lord! if you pray and things don't get better, then the lord is testing you so have faith and keep praying.
now replace the word "lord" with "the cinder block" or "the zuchini" and it still works.
personally i don't pray for luck, i pray for understanding, that my misfortunes in this world are inconsequential because it's a passing, transitory existence here anyways.
jwallbanger 3 years ago
What are you talking about jwallbanger? This man is igniting salt water with radio waves. My first question was 'is there a next energy gain?'. But instead you are rambling about your distaste for other peoples religion with could hardly have less to do with the subject at hand.
poetsonghotmail 3 years ago
that was part of another conversation that the other guy took in the direction of divine providence somehow. i acknowledged it was off topic before i responded, that should have clued you in, but anyways, net energy gain? what are YOU talking about? there isn't any energy to be released in water, it's like the ash left over when hydrogen has already spent it's energy. you have to add energy back in to get the free hydrogen, and you can never possibly get all that energy back out. thermodynamics.
jwallbanger 3 years ago
Really, Thunderbird404.
Calculations are only as good as the boundaries and references set by the calculators.
They don't prove a thing, they only suggest likelihoods.
For instance, a few thousand years ago a few men who could only be regarded as ignorant and misinformed by today's standards talked and wrote about the mystery of being, and people like you believe their claim that an omnipotent being caused everything.
How likely is that?
It's very disappointing we haven't evolved beyond that.
wtw88 3 years ago