SC2 HD #96 p1/1 PsY[Z] vs iNcontrol[P]

[Jenkoonotsp]

477 character remaining

[zGnomie]

Why so many spoilers?

[anil567]

yeh man good to learn frm mis takes

[13thCasualty]

Had you more speedlings, you coulda ran right through his front when you were breaking down his back. Just goes to show how Lings are the staple of Zerg armies, not Roaches.

[GabBling]

@13thCasualty actually its hydras but SC 2 has made them weak and useless

[Tent316]

Psy you couldve taken it! ble bleh bloo bleh!

[XMG3]

Muta ... why do ppl always hydra instead of muta... if psy went fast muta, he could have harrassed to no end

[dbacks933]

How about a nydus????

[Danellis09]

@dbacks933 where im mean just where there is nowhere he could have i dont undestand wat ur thinkin where really just where.

[RichieDcik]

@dbacks933 He built one.

[Pbreak9]

there were 2 good alternatives: breaching it with banelings or going mutas and map control.. i prefer the latter, but going roaches was a mistake..

but the biggest mistake was not scouting i guess..

gg, thx for all the awsome zerg videos, psy

[niarogla]

Oh Psy, Pls don't spoil your own videos.

[Tagnar]

Psy, why not mutas in this game? If you've seen protoss walling off, you knew it would be safe to expand and go tech. Protoss had no chance to scout u until he would make some observers - but that would've been too late. What do you think about it?

[Gl4cierman]

you play well psy but you need more nydus play.

korean zergs are the king of nydus play they do so much damage with mineral line snipes then run back into nydus.

[Alphamage2007]

Thanks for the upload

[tallplay7777]

nydus worm+1~

[c0rbeil]

You are a complete noob why did you post this video? You both suck 

[MarijahSam]

Maybe should have gone for a nydus worm^^

[mamba701]

what does a sentry shield actually do?like does it only stop a pecentage of the damage?only specific types of damage?

[Rackdam]

@mamba701 The shield you saw in game is like a wall, preventing the enemy to micro their unit away. The other ability that sentry have is like an aura surrounding their ally that make all range attack have 2 less power.

[mamba701]

@Rackdam so can units evade the shield? like can a reaper (i think,the guys with jetpacks) jump over it?

[Rackdam]

@mamba701 The force field cannot be jump by a reaper, however massive unit like Colussus and Ultralisk can crush it by simply walking over it.

[mamba701]

@Rackdam cool thank you very much!now we need to have a battle! :D

[TifoneRulez]

Nice game PsY, 2 bad u loose

[philvell]

Im surprised you didn't go for a nydalus into his base to tell you the truth, you already had the overlord at the back there, i don't think its fair for zerg to run into static defense at chokes when you can just throw a nydulus up at the expansion or main base and not have to deal with it for a decent cost (i believe 200 gas, 150 minerals) and then the added cost to throw down the second point.

[moolikin]

i think one of the reasons he gg'ed was because of his mindset that incontrol is like a high level player, so incontrol prob wouldnt make a crucial mistake. great video!

[jonsolo32]

Good try. I respect vid reps of losses. Maybe when you found the front door walled, an earlier breakthrough the back door would have sent him into defensive mode.

Maybe.

[tanman2468]

@jonsolo32 The thing is, it wouldn't have mattered. iNcontrol had too many units and had wayyy too much of an economy lead.

[ThePhuzz]

You failed not only because of timing, you should have waited just like control was. He was waiting behind his wall for you to come and attack. You could have easily won long game against protoss. You could have expanded.

[CrazyHarrow]

What do you use to record your sessions Psy?

[elfalomasmalo]

Burrow could still have been useful if you had kept on going after instead of stopping after weakening the gateway

[bbowers1512]

A good counter when a toss walls is air....Would have been a great counter.

[BullseyeI]

Good game.

Does anyone know where I can download the replay??

[shumped]

against BLOUN...moonglade!

you're awesome.

[M60Rambo]

YOU GOT FUCKING SCHOOLED SON

[NiiMzZz]

You could have just attacked the cannon from the bat since he didn't leave a space between it and the gateway/forge. That's why many toss players leave 1 space between their wall off and cannon, that way the roaches won't be able to reach with their 3 range. 1 building = 2 spaces + 1 extra space = cannon 4 range from roaches pressed up on the gateway.

[fireb0rn]

@NiiMzZz

yep

[kjkid33]

didnt u have a nydus worm completed i saw it in the production tab u should have used it from ur overlord and tried to base race by killing his exspansion and main

[PwnStarcraft]

omg psy you could have killed him! ... blah blah blah!

[XMG3]

@PwnStarcraft yes psy could have killed him... incontrol contained himself, meaning psy had the entire map to expand, zerg with 1 base is gg in any game, if psy expanded, he could have went muta, brood lord, ultra, and those would take down the wall in a blink...

[RichieDcik]

@XMG3 Lol, did you not see the zealot contain? That put him off his game and made him mass roaches, then once he had them he couldn't exactly expand with ease.

[djuraster]

finally a known oponent ...and u lose...oooo

[neuman7]

couldn't ur roaches attack that cannon? or kill the rocks? wouldn't of taken that long..

[joshuacaleb1981]

thanks for posting this, Psy! Love it!

[WNxLigerzx]

EE HAN TIMING~

[asdfgoogle]

@WNxLigerzx Ihan Crystal :D

[Sylasha]

Dude, Incontrol played so bad in the HdH and he rolled you, get better.

[TheMythicalmage]

@Sylasha You can't really say "He played so bad in blah, but he beat blah." You have to look at their overall performance, and iNcontrol is pretty damn good, overall.

[shazarava1]

@Sylasha Lol at "Get better."

There's a reason incontrol is considered a pro. You don't realize incontrol was up against other pro players, not average diamond players (no offense psy). I bet him or Psy rape you. Psy held up well against him.

[Kovaji]

@Sylasha You're joking right?

[MecMachinic]

then this was a very good game for you. (you learn something.)

[e3xdubb]

I you could've busted his wall, with only one cannon behind it, sooner if you had saved the mins/gas instead of going layer/roach speed in the first place. Burrow just added insult to the injury. ~6 roaches/~10 lings > wall+1 cannon. Expo when you push out. Best he could do is pull all of his probes to try to block your run-by. At which point you power drones and either keep trying to get in there or bust his backdoor. He'll need at least 2 cannons to stop you. I've practiced it many times! ^^

[jdseemoreglass]

At 7:05 I don't quite understand why Psy didn't burrow his way past the buildings and units... He could unburrow behind the stalkers or even go for the mineral line.

And clearly you CAN burrow under force fields since psy did it @9:00...

[dementiasgrasp]

@jdseemoreglass he cant move and burrow until he upgrades something

[e3xdubb]

@jdseemoreglass he didn't have burrow movement researched yet. ^^ Lair - roach speed (roach warren) - burrow (lair) - burrow movement (roach warren).

[RealZerath]

@jdseemoreglass correction: You can burrow if your trapped under one but you cant move through a forcefield when burrowed.

[MajorKabong]

Oh man, I want to see you succeed in the HDH so bad. I hope you are ready for it by the time it happens. Just don't lose your cool, and you will at least go two rounds in I'm sure.

[marshallsmith19]

anyone know where I can find a match up listing for the next HDH?

[e3xdubb]

@marshallsmith19 teamliquid d o t net - HDH2 thread.

[TheMythicalmage]

Well, you played great, Psy, especially against a BW WCG USA winner. Best of luck in the HDH2.

[TnEEn]

GG Psy ^_^

[UhhNegative]

You could have picked off his cannon at his backdoor with an overlord for sight. I think you would've had a better chance busting through there.

[ngilford1]

I might be wrong, but couldn't fast mutas have worked there?

[CuriousMoth]

Forcefields are just so, so, so powerful. Nice play by iNcontrol though!

[Kleavers]

Oh that is some cruel slaughtering. But yeah, timing is so important in this game...can't wait to see you play in the HDH. Gonna be following every match. When is the HDH again?

[ArKaiN123]

You couldn't have taken it. It was ok to gg.

[TheMythicalmage]

@ArKaiN123 It was ok to GG, it always is, but he could have made a crazy comeback. Anything is possible in Starcraft.

[ArKaiN123]

@TheMythicalmage You're thinking of dreams. Anything is possible in dreams. In SC2 if your opponent doubles your food in army and is marching into your base you're dead.

[TheMythicalmage]

@ArKaiN123 I've seen comebacks. It's a player's decision of course, but if you think you can win, no matter the odds, don't GG. I see a lot of player, for example, send in mutalisks into turrets/thors, and then GG. You can probably recover from something like that. I'm not sure he could have won here, but we'll never know.

[gonrico]

Psy it's okay. You needed at least 250 zerg supply to take on 124 protoss supply.

[TheMythicalmage]

@gonrico PvZ is arguably the most "balanced" matchup right now, a bit opposite of SC1.

[e3xdubb]

@TheMythicalmage what was wrong with ZvP in BW? ZvP was my favorite MU (Me zerg).

[TheMythicalmage]

@e3xdubb Before Bisu came around, it was rather favored for Zerg, especially with the available maps.

[e3xdubb]

@TheMythicalmage it wasn't the race it was Savior. Bisu > Savior and then JaeDong > Bisu... Other than that it was on P2P bases... not like every zerg owned protoss... kinda like TvZ in SC2 ^^

[TheMythicalmage]

@e3xdubb There was like a 60%+ Win percentage on certain maps for Zerg before the general change in maps and Bisu. That's right around where ZvT is, give or take, and maps are a large part of that. The fact that Terran can literally walk right into the zerg's natural and kill workers is a large part of that.

[JromeX]

:-(

[loneswordspartan]

Looking at it, I think that cannon at the choke is badly placed. Roaches should still be able to hit it moving right up to the gateway. 1 square back and the cannon will be able to hit roaches attacking the gateway, but the roaches won't be able to the cannon. I think day9 did a video about that a while ago.

[FuckImperialism]

C'mon Psy... we want to see you beat a drunken guy that can decapitate you with one hand.*

You had a pretty good window of opportunity. U are not that far.

*Check Husky interview.

[106riseagainst]

When is the hdh 2?

[DontFearGrim]

toss is so stupid

[Ribokt]

Didn't they change back so you could move burrowed roaches under ff's again? You could probably have saved a few roaches there when you attacked if you used that feature (if it's there).

[maixck]

@Ribokt yes but he ddnt have roach movement speed. witfch allows you to move borrowed

[Ribokt]

@maixck Ah sorry I completely forgot about that. Me = starcraft noob. ;)

[deviatorbg]

PsY, mate, is it possible to give a DL link to the replays u do commentary on, so that we can view other camera angles, etc. That would be great!

Keep up the great work! <3

[TheBeeFart]

OMG psy you COULD have taken him BLalbal!

[JouniKari]

Whoa! First game I have seen from incontrol where he was in control.

[kantastisk]

I accidentally a baneling nest.

[tunyaa]

@kantastisk made my day

[MrKennyKRH]

OMG Psy you could have taken him blabla bla BLA!

But you could have.... blabla.

[BelRiose2000]

do roaches regen faster burrowed even without the regen upgrade`?

[Yeroc357]

@BelRiose2000 yes

[Slayermagic]

@BelRiose2000

there is no regen upgrade lol.. and yes

[maixck]

@Slayermagic there is a regen upgrade actually. 2 upgrades on roach wardem, regen and movement

[Slayermagic]

@maixck no.. lol its 1 for speed (glile reconstitution) and tunneling claws (for underground movement). The moment you bury roaches they regen (come with the skill)

[Messiahs]

beaten by the man who hates Extractors ;)

Bad game by you Psy ;D

But really educating

[Bowlardk]

I believe the first cannon at his wall is misplaced. Roaches can reach the cannon from the outside of the wall - if the cannon is placed just 1 square back, the roaches cannot reach the cannon, but the cannon can still reach the roaches whereever they attack the wall from.

[Benuzak]

where can I see the incontrol drunk video? :D

[neuman7]

womp womp

[kukimaci]

Hey all! Cut the & from the url if you don't want the pesky grey bar!!

[Roffesen]

would be nice if someone could post a nice zerg strat to beat this..

I guess a timing attack with a bunch of banelings would do the trick?

roaches is not the way to go. most def

[thekhan9]

enjoyed the vid, the probe move was brilliant by incontrol. Hope this isint how it ends in HDH2

[jpshuijb]

psy you got a practice partner? or are you preparing in any way for the HDH2?

[TheTorrentz]

@jpshuijb HDH2??

[jpshuijb]

@TheTorrentz

its a tournament held by HD starcraft and Husky Starcraft, you can find more about it in the tournament section of teamliquid

[TheTorrentz]

@jpshuijb alrite thanks

[VectorXraw]

This was insane. Sorry Psy i am a huge fan of your play but this was another league. I really hope you are able to win some games at the HDH!

[ELMolliez]

WOW incontrol WAS IN CONTROL!!!!! for 1st time i see his true power!

[Gnarpig]

I think if the cannon isn't one hex back from the gateway roaches can hit it

[miamifan2191]

when u mention other videos, it would be nice to have a link in the description :)

[gregjs81]

@miamifan2191 just search 'incontrol drunk'. it's like the second video that pops up lol

[RivZeroSC]

A game full of good lessons. Can't argue with that! A loss is still a win in the long run. I really think the added pressure of the HDH will help you perform better. Are you seeing 2gate zealot spam into 3/4gate robo in platinum as often as I am? Maybe I don't belong in that league yet, I donno, but it's the only rush strategy I'm not consistently beating. How are you dealing with that one?

[darklight436]

banelings should be able to destroy forcefields, be awesome

[n3verendR]

I literally went "OH SHIT, THANK YOU PSY" when I saw who the game was against, as well as the duration of the video... Thanks a lot for this, I have actually been practicing against insane computers before I play (I am in your Platinum League btw, hai thar) and usually the computer is Protoss and timing has started to become everything, Learn to love banelings is all I can say...

[SoccerDude214365]

Great cast.  Oh, lessons learned!

[Bobknucklesdave]

YOU ROCK

[Mrasheed2012]

Psy im prego..

And your the baby daddy

[Ldog12395]

Psy vs iNcontrol? BALLER STATUS!

[monks4u]

I love you!

[myungsupah]

le first makes me le gay. =[ oh well psy i love you