This is hilarious, I don't know why so many people are hating on it. It really captures the frustration of trying to teach an elderly person how to play games XD
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not even funny...its so obvious that you are trying to view whore with an interesting title...machinima get rid of this guy he is only hurting your company
seriously? at least let her practice it's like you intentionally gave it the controller to her on a whim. if it was me i would show her how to play first
this is insulting Machinima, I quit multiplayer gaming because of you to spend time with my family.And here you guys are posting this sad excuse for entertainment. I admit I clicked on the video, but out of skepticism damnit.This elderly woman probably wanted to spend time with her Grandson eye to eye, and not have him tell her what to do in a frustrating tone.This is what modern multiplayer gaming has done.Do stupid shit for shits and giggles,post it on machinima for youtube moneyz.Disgusting
HAHAHAHA waw this was so unexpected but i loved it grandma should make her own videos and try to find out wat to do and make funny videos like this one
I'm not mad at the intelligence of the people thinking this is an MLG grandpa copy any more, I'm laughing at you now. You're only making yourselves look dumb.
I know I did this first, Jerome (or whatever he's called) knows I did this first, and so do the staff at Machinima,
My nans first video was back on Black Ops in June, do your research kiddies. You're not even entertaining trolls.
@JakeMachinima The fact that you lack the talent to make entertaining videos is enough to hate you. You do realize no one on machinima likes you and your likes are probably bots right?
@JakeMachinima Yeah but the video is rather boring. Everyone knows that if you put a controller in an old persons hand they will be bad, therefore it's not funny, it's just frustrating to watch.
@JakeMachinima Yes, ofcourse, if you dislike something these days, or even speak your opinion, you're a TROLL, shut the fuck up.You are boring as shit, you have an annoying voice, You sound someone who would be confused for a girl in a lobby.
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If you have any respect for your buisness machinima you will not upload any more of this crap. It is literaly the worst kind of video." I have no talent or creativity so il put a controler in my nans hand and make her talk into a mic". Is this what passes for entertainment now!!!
@mtxrules Was that comment supposed to be clever becasue what your saying is if I dont like this kind of sub standard crap then I should say nothing and ignore it. If people didnt make proper critical arguments against putting rubbish like this up then Respawn would still be uploading 15 bad videos a day. So I fail to see how me expecting better than Grannys big day on xbox makes me mindless
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HAHAHAHAHAHA i couldnt stop laugh when she was liek "oh deaar" "this is so stressfull" wtf shes looking up and spamming like Y whats so stressfull with that... haha gilf
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JakeMachinima 3 weeks ago
You have the patience to do that?! I lose patience when my toaster doesn't work or is cooking a few seconds slower!!!!!!!!
defender879 1 month ago
aaaahh... i love the old generation :) too bad they will disapear soon :((
remokillen45691 1 month ago
This is hilarious, I don't know why so many people are hating on it. It really captures the frustration of trying to teach an elderly person how to play games XD
TenaciousSkaven 1 month ago
dude my mother acts like that too :D
nojusify2 1 month ago
can i ask y do people hate jake anyway i never knew??
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theFTWnetwork 1 month ago
How the fuck did he get on machinima there are so many more deserving people then this idiot grandpa is an mlg pro ftw
DaChocodile 1 month ago
Just fucking terrible
DaChocodile 1 month ago
lol
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CrAZzY688 1 month ago
Survival sucks, especially when compared to zombies
xPendY95 1 month ago
seriously, WTF? i want 3 minutes of my life back.
andreerrico 1 month ago
it could've been better if MLG Grandpa's with Grandma. o.0
Bacons134 1 month ago
My Grandma probably cant even hold a control!
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TheMrShabang 1 month ago
this was very sad to watch...
Farismaster1 1 month ago
MLG Grandpa was better because it was fake. This is just.. painful.
NeoAstrisk 1 month ago 20
Loved it! Your grandma seems sweet! :)
ThePurpleRanger37 1 month ago
@JakeMachinima :3 you tell them trollssss
flamingminer 1 month ago
stick to grandpa -_-
caleblovescolts 1 month ago
@caleblovescolts its not even him its a ripoff
TheDryos 1 month ago
Well hey at least he can get someone in his family to play video games
TheAustinPierce 1 month ago
This may not be a MLG Grandpa copy, but MLG Grandpa blows this away, sorry
InMiLLiWeTrUsT 1 month ago
Gilf or milf
thefyeist1 1 month ago
Hahahaha! I was laughing this whole entire video!!
ImDeceivingSCRUB 1 month ago
you fail at killing dogs
richardchen9 1 month ago
@richardchen9 you're embarasing yourself with a dumb comment...
xxCrazyEights88xx 1 month ago
@xxCrazyEights88xx you mean my comment is obvious right :)
richardchen9 1 month ago
@richardchen9 haha If you mean the grandma then yes obviously
xxCrazyEights88xx 1 month ago
What a nice grandma lol!
BlazingAngelzzz 1 month ago
.... ...................Cool now stop hatin
MrSlickeith 1 month ago
Does anybody get a joke anymore? This is like the Gold Deagle Episode all over again.
ZombeeZlayer 1 month ago in playlist More videos from machinimarespawn
im impressed at bottom screen skillz now that top guy.... well he just sucks ass
FoxRacer090 1 month ago
This was just gay
I3raden 1 month ago
haha its funny how people get so upset its just there to have a laugh god what it gaming turning into its getting way to serious -.-
PrFxLiamcuzz 1 month ago
not even funny...its so obvious that you are trying to view whore with an interesting title...machinima get rid of this guy he is only hurting your company
MrShergoods 1 month ago
she's not badass if she doesen't know how to actualy play.... so that makes this just weird...
TJtheEditor 1 month ago
lol!
Maxmon67 1 month ago
he may be first but he's the worst
ONLYUSEmeGUNN 1 month ago
dont care if you were first, this was boring
pimpboykd 1 month ago
@JakeMachinima Doesn't matter who did it first, Jerma's series is better! END OF!
DigestiveCow 1 month ago
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Complete420 1 month ago
Thats not your nan (PUSSY)
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LivingMarine 1 month ago
...Rahyt.
Meestarcheez 1 month ago
This is the only way Jake can become somewhat popular but anyone can get an old relative on your gaming console and record it...
TheFR3SHINATOR 1 month ago
seriously? at least let her practice it's like you intentionally gave it the controller to her on a whim. if it was me i would show her how to play first
krazyman159 1 month ago
I no a lot of people hate Jake but how can u gate an elderly lady she to bloody funny lol
TheOnlyClavery 1 month ago 8
idk why so many people hate him its not like any of you can make an entertaining video...
TheMightySplooge 1 month ago
I did press the red botton
MrCowboyzfan4life 1 month ago
YAJB
MrUgEdAl 1 month ago
She just had to press down....
MultiSuperjelly 1 month ago
Maybe you should have taught her the controls work instead of just telling her to "push the red button"...
gtownforizzle 1 month ago
Jerma is better... That stuff is good
XxBLOODYBUDDYXx 1 month ago
this is insulting Machinima, I quit multiplayer gaming because of you to spend time with my family.And here you guys are posting this sad excuse for entertainment. I admit I clicked on the video, but out of skepticism damnit.This elderly woman probably wanted to spend time with her Grandson eye to eye, and not have him tell her what to do in a frustrating tone.This is what modern multiplayer gaming has done.Do stupid shit for shits and giggles,post it on machinima for youtube moneyz.Disgusting
drinzan 1 month ago
you should teach her the jake scope
MrEazy010 1 month ago
Wow a stupid 1 on 1 gameplay, this video sucks way too much
RMBOclannn 1 month ago
Nan supports SOPA!
Phatinium 1 month ago
You just copied jerma
DrRichtofenXx 1 month ago
my grandma dont those games :(
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FusionGameing 1 month ago
Jake machinima is the worst director. Why do you upload his videos?
cssbart 1 month ago
1:58.. And now im deaf
hertsu6 1 month ago
551 People don't have a grandma that will play call of duty with them.
WeTheTryhards 1 month ago
i wantto see germas grandpa hes funny as fuck
TheSuperpsycho666 1 month ago
@TheSuperpsycho666 It's a voice modulation, it's not his actual grandpa it's him talking. Are you... dumb?
JakeMachinima 1 month ago
stupid
geefrobainnejoint 1 month ago
Grandpa is jerma and he has actuall comedic skill
MegaCakeorDeath 1 month ago
@xBookerT i don't need to masturbate like you. And btw its sad to lie about your age :)
TheNuub63 1 month ago
Teach how to play and then maje videos when shes good
Anymous31 1 month ago
i rarely comment on videos and NEVER say negative things but this is honestly terrible. not funny at all
andeedaloco 1 month ago
Ha i like this lol it reminds me of when i tried to teach my sister to play halo...
ForThaLord2232 1 month ago
HAHAHAHA waw this was so unexpected but i loved it grandma should make her own videos and try to find out wat to do and make funny videos like this one
hugoandre96 1 month ago
Dear people who are hating on this funny video . Are you guys on Michinima ? then shut the fuck up .
DOMOisOriginal 1 month ago
Nice job copying grandpa is mlg pro
whosKanye 1 month ago
@googlejse the grandpa gaming copied this bro. JakeMachinima is the original owner of the idea. Get your fucking facts straight before you post.
vAscendancy 1 month ago
Chill The Fuck Out! I Thought It Was Funny, It May Not Be Avatar Editing or anything ( @EmmeMck ) But It was quite entertaining
mrNotJackWhy 1 month ago
Haha "this is no good wen do I get to shoot someone"
MrMattydogz 1 month ago
This really annoys me.. HAHAHA Funny though....
InvaderZHD 1 month ago
Lol
92000joe 1 month ago
I'm not mad at the intelligence of the people thinking this is an MLG grandpa copy any more, I'm laughing at you now. You're only making yourselves look dumb.
I know I did this first, Jerome (or whatever he's called) knows I did this first, and so do the staff at Machinima,
My nans first video was back on Black Ops in June, do your research kiddies. You're not even entertaining trolls.
JakeMachinima 1 month ago 18
@JakeMachinima The vid fucking blows either way.
xJBx72x 1 month ago
@JakeMachinima Jake I Thought It Was Funny As Fuck 5 Gold Sticky Stars To You
mrNotJackWhy 1 month ago
@JakeMachinima The fact that you lack the talent to make entertaining videos is enough to hate you. You do realize no one on machinima likes you and your likes are probably bots right?
dearteking1 1 month ago
@JakeMachinima Yeah but the video is rather boring. Everyone knows that if you put a controller in an old persons hand they will be bad, therefore it's not funny, it's just frustrating to watch.
Inexactchange111 1 month ago
@JakeMachinima you didnt do this first, look at GrannyOnPS3 channel, he actually did this back before black ops was out, so you are lying
MediaMeandyou 1 month ago
@JakeMachinima i think your grandma is better than the MLG grandpa series..
MrPhreshLoc 1 month ago
@JakeMachinima You're a faggot.
XrealtimemachinimaX 1 month ago
@JakeMachinima lol don't worry about them haters gonna hate :)
crimemobile 1 month ago
@JakeMachinima Yes, ofcourse, if you dislike something these days, or even speak your opinion, you're a TROLL, shut the fuck up.You are boring as shit, you have an annoying voice, You sound someone who would be confused for a girl in a lobby.
iiAmCreed 1 month ago
This is like MLG grandpa.. but this version is shitty and boring.
ZombieAccomplice 1 month ago
get original
Happy15Panda 1 month ago
Cheap ass copy of " my grandpa is a MLG pro"
Really why can't u come with original ideas to get more subscribers if u so badly want then, pfff be original then maybe I'll subscribe
googlejse 1 month ago
sad to think money is being made from this
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MarleyThirteen 1 month ago
good video made me laugh
GrEEnMachiine2 1 month ago
Lmaoo
josephrecinos14 1 month ago
I thought this was hilarious. (:
antwanjay 1 month ago
Really you think this is crap
Pffft hater
I played cod zombies with my dad it wa the funniest shit on the planet
RaGEkaczynski 1 month ago
fuck jakemachima
smoothmooi 1 month ago
Stolen idea from grandpa is an mlg pro
gkno67 1 month ago
worst vid ever
MrPogo420 1 month ago
If you have any respect for your buisness machinima you will not upload any more of this crap. It is literaly the worst kind of video." I have no talent or creativity so il put a controler in my nans hand and make her talk into a mic". Is this what passes for entertainment now!!!
EmmeMck 1 month ago 34
@EmmeMck YES!, the times are a changing. Its a good thing we have minds of our own and dont need to click on vids we dont want to watch :-)
mtxrules 1 month ago
@mtxrules Was that comment supposed to be clever becasue what your saying is if I dont like this kind of sub standard crap then I should say nothing and ignore it. If people didnt make proper critical arguments against putting rubbish like this up then Respawn would still be uploading 15 bad videos a day. So I fail to see how me expecting better than Grannys big day on xbox makes me mindless
EmmeMck 1 month ago
@EmmeMckFirst off I never said you were mindless, I was just pointing out that the title was gonna be an obvious clue to what type of content you were gonna watch(not sayin your stupid either). I may have worded it a little sarcastic but Im all about humor. If you have a beef with respawns content try spamming thier inbox dirrectly to make your point. Im a firm believer in this process. Cheers.
mtxrules 1 month ago
@mtxrules correction I meant to start with the word "first" as in first off. my bad.
mtxrules 1 month ago
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TheUndeadParadise 1 month ago
@EmmeMck lol and where are ur entertaining videos??? cause u cant do better so go away fag
xRaZoRx97x 1 month ago
@xRaZoRx97x If I get a meal in a restaurant that is burned to a crisp and complain about it if the chef came out and ask me to do better he would look like a twat by saying something so stupid. Just like you. Also your comment is horribly written and calling me a fag is so unfunny and unoriginal that I feel like I am talking to a 12 year old down syndrome child.
EmmeMck 1 month ago
@EmmeMck its youtube. dont have to spell it right cause theres no reason. thats why im in 9th grade and honors english. i talk how i want.
xRaZoRx97x 1 month ago
This is funny Fuck the haters
Aaronitouse 1 month ago
Machinima must have exceeded their monthly skip allowance. now they have to upload EVERYTHING instead of skipping the shitty vids.
cruton88 1 month ago
Are there realy no real machinimas anymore?
nomercy8989 1 month ago
Lol
furyclanorg 1 month ago
@iiAmCreed I agree man wtf
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GamesPhish 1 month ago
Why are there so many haters on this video? You know haters gonna hate while this guy masturbates.
PhillipTerry103 1 month ago
So whats it like to have the queen as a grandma?
mawoodtt 1 month ago
Dear Machinima,
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KORASISprod101 1 month ago
How old is your grandma
charlipug 1 month ago
i played mw3 with my grandma, she Ownes.
teringtim 1 month ago
this is the most fucking retarded machinima video evar
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DevelopingTV 1 month ago
wait, don't you gotta be like 18 to play COD? -.- why does Machinima allow a 12-year old to publish here?
xBookerT 1 month ago
@xBookerT idiot -.- are you an 8 year old with those jokes? i saw your channel and you still watch wwe your the little kid not Jake machinima
TheNuub63 1 month ago
@TheNuub63 Go and suck his dick then, and I'm 17 in 3 days bitch, i think your the kid, did you masterbate to this video?
xBookerT 1 month ago
This girl is to suck
amsol13 1 month ago
@amsol13 it's a OLD WOMAN...retarded...never read the title?
666zaryne666 1 month ago
BEFORE YOU WATCH THE VIDEO, CLICK THE FUCK OFF IT SO YOU DON'T WASTE 3:13 OF YOUR LIFE!
zzLFCzzCJGR 1 month ago 2
What. The. Fuck. ?
zzLFCzzCJGR 1 month ago
HAHAHAHAHAHA i couldnt stop laugh when she was liek "oh deaar" "this is so stressfull" wtf shes looking up and spamming like Y whats so stressfull with that... haha gilf
V1M3F0RPR351D3Nt 1 month ago
I lost 3:13 of my life
Gaetanos24 1 month ago
leave, now.
F1shable 1 month ago
not even funny she cant even play
Jrj1169 1 month ago
this is hilarious
MrGINI162 1 month ago
I'm tired of machinima putting out these Sh!t Videos, STCIK TO THE GOOD STUFF!!!!!!
TheMissingGambit 1 month ago
@TheMissingGambit its just jakemachinima all his content is shit dont mind the dumbass
Slinker19 1 month ago
no-one liked the granpa one...
siksongloly3 1 month ago
This is soooo funny!!
xbox360champion 1 month ago
This is funny, it's great to see one of the call of duty guys go out and play with grandma.
frankdatank131 1 month ago
WTF THiS SUCKS!!
GioArmani08 1 month ago
This is awful grandpa is Mlg pro ftw
DaChocodile 1 month ago
Ahahahah I like how the people in the comments are saying this was enjoyable to watch well those people can go suck a dick, this is shit.
XrealtimemachinimaX 1 month ago
Is it just me, or do all the guns in MW3 sound generally the same?
MeBeEric 1 month ago
I laughed lol.. I tought it was quite funny xD
Ferdri3 1 month ago
I actually found this funny.
ToBeDeterminedLater 1 month ago
Nice intro. :3
YourSeaOurCity 1 month ago
She'll be better then him in a few days.
TheDomain16 1 month ago
JERMA'S GRANDPA AND JAKE'S GAMDMA TO PLAY SURVIVAL TOGETHER :D!!!
skilla7killa 1 month ago
Love yur video ! keep it going ! :)
you have the best grand mom ever ! well my grand mom is the great :)
jadellah177 1 month ago
you don't deserve a machinima contract. give it to someone who's good!
BowserOnline 1 month ago
dont hate that much it was a bad idea but you still should chill
DGPcorby87 1 month ago
How do you get down on wave 2?
ToBeSubscribed 1 month ago
@ToBeSubscribed Cant You Fucking See Its His Grandma?
XxMIDGETRITONxX 1 month ago
@XxMIDGETRITONxX I was talking about Jake you idiot
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Spuidi 1 month ago
RoosterTeeth shall always be better
RTSXxoverxXFPS 1 month ago
poor granny :(
xPaash 1 month ago
Didn't Machinima say they were going to start uploading "quality"? or has that not started yet?
iiAmCreed 1 month ago 39
@iiAmCreed since when does machinima have quality?
waritself 1 month ago
twat
spartan47866 1 month ago
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MrLittle13wolf 1 month ago
jerma did it first and did it better
CAJS117 1 month ago
i rather grandpa MLG pro
leomantles 1 month ago
I'd enjoy this if you taught your grandmother HOW to fucking play! Thanks :)
boredificationable 1 month ago
Why so much hate towards him... Damn
Tomarobby 1 month ago
Stfu about mlg grandpa this was already on blac ops so it was before mlg grandpa
mees798 1 month ago
@mees798 THANK YOU! SOMEONE WHO ISN'T RETARDED!
JakeMachinima 1 month ago
Why the hell isnt the directors name in the title?!? Just gave this piece of shit video a view...
Gravity2 1 month ago
Look fucking down granny
jellevdmunnik 1 month ago
blatantly stole the idea off MLG grandpa and changed it slightly but is a hundred times worse
tommoex 1 month ago