Is this ball round - answer yes or no, true or false. If true, that is not absolute but the best possible answer for that question based on what we know.
Ask a theist - Is this ball round - answer yes or no, true or false, but god would know the absolute truth for it.
Ask God - is this ball round - answer - what is a ball, what is round, what are you talking about.
It's fascinating how when 19 Muslims slaughter 3,300 people in the USA it means we're to give other Muslims a political voice in the USA so they'll solve our problems.
Also how fascinating that a Muslim man can disgrace his wife with so many levels of degradation thanks to his high standing in the community till finally he is beating the shit out of her in all places that can't be viewed while in a full body Hijab covering.
@Aliceeis, i think the answer is in the question. Why is truth most important? Because its truth! The very definition of reality! Thats a little kid asking why about everything, eventually you get to a simple self referencing truth. That's truth (and truth =Jesus =God=Yahweh= "I Am" aka self referencing reality).
No. The greatest question you can ask is "Why?" or "Why not?" and that's the question I ask to those who think this is the greatest question of all; Why?
Ravi Zacharias is a liar from the pit of hell. He said Pilate committed the biggest crime in history. The Bible says this.(Mat 27:24) When Pilate saw that he could prevail nothing, but that rather a tumult was made, he took water, and washed his hands before the multitude, saying, I am innocent of the blood of this just person: see ye to it. Need I say more?
@orbitingwebstar Re-check your perspective. Joe Paterno and others were recently punished for "washing their hands" when they knew innocent children were being molested and did nothing. Now- if Jesus of Nazareth is truly the Messiah sent by God, innocent of any sin, yet falsely condemned to die a brutal death at the hands of evil men; if Pilate had the authority to do the right thing and chose not to because of political expediency, then could we not consider that a crime, just like @ Penn St?
So Jesus having and being servant to (All). Can somehow be equated to some queer football jock and the dollar worshipers that wouldn't tell on him. Interesting v e r y Interesting indeed.
@orbitingwebstar Again I say to you: recheck. My comment did not compare Christ to Sandusky (spelling?), but Pilate to Paterno; the object being that we often fail to do the right thing because it's easier to go with the flow. Only later do we discover that we have become accessories to the crime. My dear sweet mama told me as a kid that failing to do the right thing is the same as doing the wrong thing.
I believe Truth is anything that gives.. not only meaning, but hope to the plight of man. I don't agree with RC's definition. If the "Allmighty" decides what it is, it still remains to be defined. Truth is what makes a given social "fact" either viable or unacceptable...thus, Truth is moral bound because it values not only man's existence, but his hope for perpetual valldation.
I say.. Truth is Infinite Moral Provocation.
ALSO...Truth is that which justifies infinite understanding.
Look at all the professional scholars debating HERE, of all places, YouTube! Be still, you foolish Christian detractors, and be silent! You have the privilege of reading the words of some of the greatest men on the face of the earth! Tremble before their intellect!
Of course, I'm being sarcastic. God - Father, Son and Holy Spirit - bless.
Objective truth exists, despite popular opinion, and despite what people's particular worldviews may be. For example: For centuries, many learned men during their time maintained that the earth was flat. Many at the same time maintained that it was round. Whose view corresponded with the objective truth? Those who espoused that the earth was round correct? Truth, by definition, is exclusive. Those who thought it to be flat were wrong. The earth cannont be flat and round at the same time.
What is truth? It's a stupid question. These theologians put on one of the most exquisite charades. They imagine these "deep" questions and create "profound" characters to "explain" their questions. They never actually get to the heart of what they seek. God is obviously a reflection of men made to control people.
@TheErowidian Why would that affect you in any way, and why would it affect "truth?" Who cares what I value? What anyone values is usually completely artificial. God does nothing to actually explain why anyone values anything. He's a horrible shortcut to take instead of actually confronting serious questions.
I apologize sir, I did not mean to offend you by my question. If I may humbly ask one more.. What do you mean when you say "What anyone values is usually completely artificial." Please understand me, I am not arguing for or against God, I am simply asking you to clarify your position. Thank you.
I apologize sir, I did not mean to offend you by my question. If I may humbly ask one more.. What do you mean when you say "What anyone values is usually completely artificial." Please understand me, I am not arguing for or against God. When you say that you are not making any truth claims and then say that: "this is complete rubbish" , are you not making a truth claim? And if you say "No, I am not making a truth claim", then your comment self-destructs and is found wanting.
@TheErowidian Well, kind sir, I am only saying that people within a particular culture, history, geographic area etc. are pressured, or even coerced, into accepting "truth" or values. Furthermore, what we perceive has valuable or moral is usually legitimated. For instance, stealing is usually seen has immoral, but conquest is commonly legitimated by necessity, destiny, etc. Taking human life is also legitimated. When it's criminal it's murder. When it's justified, self-defense, war,etc
@beeeefcurtains How do you know your statment is true if you have no definition of truth?
You have provided no support for this opinion; it is simply an emotional reaction.
Actually, this kind of mind control is already being used constantly on America’s children through the public education system, the secular media, and science museums.
It's called evolution. The Bible warns about mind controllers at such institutions: it is they “who suppress the truth in unrighteousness” (Romans 1:18).
@rrvolk I'm not making any truth claims; I'm saying this is complete bullshit. There's a significant difference: it's much easier to say what isn't true than to say what is true, and religion, any religion, is false, is complete bullshit. Religion shouts charlatan! Im' not saying science is infallible, but it's many, many times more trustworthy than any religion or ancient "truth." Plus, scientists aren't brainwashing any kids. That's what religion does.
"How would Zacharias know what the truth is? How can he attribute this to a god? What special knowledge does he possess that other people don't?"
MomoTheBellyDancer Everyone has access to the Bible. It's spelled out clearly "for those who have ears to hear." Jesus claimed to BE "the TRUTH." Either he was crazy, a liar or who he said he was. Read the gospels for yourself, rather than getting your info 2nd or 3rd hand. Evaluate their validity by what he did and decide for yourself.
As all 3 speakers have said: The only one that can TRULY say what TRUTH is without bias is the ONE who created all there is, GOD. And Jesus, GOD become MAN, said, "I am the Way, the TRUTH and the Life."(John 14:6).
Science, like everyone else, is also full of bias, as is the media. If you doubt it, you're purposefully blind. If an alien came here from another galaxy, they would be equally biased. We can't depend on science or experience. That's why God gave us HIMSELF as man. Jesus.
Truth is important, but how to go about discovering truth. Wouldn't it begin with a blank slate? No biases, no assumptions. Just you, your senses, and the world around you. What then, would the truth look like? How would it be gathered? It would surely involve a process of observation, testing, and organizing the information we discover. It would evolve over time, adjusting itself as new things are discovered. Eventually, that very process would harness a name. It would be called.. science.
TRUTH = Dinosaurs were the dominant terrestrial vertebrates for over 160 million years, from the late Triassic period (230 million years ago) until the end of the Cretaceous period (65 million years ago), when the Cretaceous–Tertiary extinction event caused the extinction of most dinosaur species, except for some birds.
If "Truth is only that which affirms propotionally the nature of reality as it is.", how is it possible to use Genesis to prove such a statment?
As for "Truth is defined as that which correspend to reality as perceived by God because God's perception is never distorted. It's a perfect perception of reality." How can anyone argue or question a perfect presupposed assumption that supposedly is never distorted?
@Toggen62 Good question. How CAN they? Do you know anyone whose perspective is never distorted? If you say yes, you're either severely self-deceived, a total narcisist or a liar. But the one who created it is the only one with the "perfect perception of reality." And if you read the gospels, and truly look at the words and actions of Jesus - God who became man - you might discover that HE was none of those (self-deceived, narcisist or liar). Then what, to make such claims?
@Photoglogal I don't know any "gods" or humans whose perspective is never distorted. And I might also be both severely self-decieved and a total narcisist liar. But how does the assumption "the one who created it" prove the biblical god to be the one of "perfect perception of reality" in question? How can my reading and doubting/questioning the gospels "discover" the religious obvious without your faith in those claims? (A faith in a worship seeking son sacrificing hellmaker god I don't share.)
I was saying that the one who created the world is the only one with the unbiased perspective of reality. Since the Biblical God is the context, who else did you have in mind? And there is nothing wrong with doubting - as long as it's part of honest seeking. If you really seek truth and want to know it (and aren't just looking for arguments for their own sake), you WILL find it. If, on the other hand, you are just arguing out of boredom, then don't waste your (and my) time.
It's interesting that Zacharias says that Pilate's walking away from Jesus' authority was the "greatest crime". I've heard other examples of people lamenting the actions which led to the crucifixion, and it always puzzles me, because without the torture and death of Jesus, you've got no story. So I'd like to ask the believers: do you agree that Christ's crucifixion was a bad thing, and that the people responsible should be reviled? If so, why ? Thanks.
From a human standpoint, man killing their creator was the greatest sin. But Jesus came not from a human standpoint, but in order to restore humanity to relationship with God through the sacrifice of the only perfect one - God become flesh - to atone for our sins, which was why Satan worked to try to kill him from birth. Jesus explained this to his disciples repeatedly before his betrayal and death. It seemed bad, but ultimately led to the possibility of salvation for all. You tell
@Photoglogal So you do or don't think the actions of Pilate and others which led to the crucifixion are bad? I can't really tell from your response what you mean.
@StrumstickJoe "To find evidence for that, don't ask me..." That is exactly what I am telling - you are not source for any evidence on any claim you make. So I see no use in talking to you.
@girtkaz "To find evidence for that, READ IT" I said. Not only are you not listening to anything that discomforts you, you're also not reading your own stuff. The quotes I gave to others below are evidence that it is malicious rubbish, for those who want to know.
Finally, one last time, I am not the one making claims, and need not to prove anything. Bye for now.
You're real good at insults and put-downs, but I haven't heard one word of intelligent rebuttal on the topic. It seems that it's YOUR turn to show some proof. Ravi, who you say, "talks rubbish" is highly studied and intelligent. Prove some of yours or keep your ignorant ranting - which is all it seems it is so far, without proof to the contrary - to yourself. BTW, if Jesus said "many many times" that you must give away your weath to the poor and sell everything," show me where.
@girtkaz I don't understand the question. It is for those who think there are gods to provide evidence for their existence - and in years of asking for evidence from religious YTubers and others - I have not been provided with any.
The bible (in which incidentally, there are several gods mentioned) is a plagarised mish mash of myths handed down from people who had no knowledge of tectonics, bacteria, meteorology et al. and who were superstitious. Why do you believe that stuff?
@StrumstickJoe you made a confident truth clame - I thought you have some evidence for your position. As for God - Universe begun to exist thus it needs timeless,spaceless and immaterial couse. God fits pefectly giving conditions of Univers we deffinitely can observe. What evidence you have that this couse is not God?
And in a simple sense one might say that Truth is "the word of God" because it is said in the Bible that "in beginning there was the word"- hence the Lord's word is what makes up the actual fabric of our reality. Furthermore, Christ absolutely said that he was "the Truth" (the way and the life) and Christ of course was "the word of God made flesh." Thus, I think that simply put one is justified in defining Truth purely as "the word of God."
@frost122585 Samaria shall bear her guilt, because she has rebelled against her God; they shall fall by the sword, their little ones shall be dashed in pieces, and their pregnant women ripped open. - Hosea 13 Now therefore, kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman who has known man by lying with him. But all the young girls who have not known man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves. - Numbers 31
There is more! You live with it; I think it's disgusting!
@StrumstickJoe Why have you posted this same message on loads and loads of videos and people's walls? Seriously, if God does not exist, then what is your problem? Why don't you stop parroting other atheists and come up with your own ideas, or can you not do that? Please explain to me something. If there is no God, then how can you say whether or not those scriptures you have quoted are good or bad? If I say they are good, and you they are bad, how do we know who is right or wrong.
@JoshyBloor 3) 3) The reason I am doing this is that I know that all the religions have a hatred for this world and can’t wait for the “next one”. They see nothing but guilt and fear of a vengeful god here. This leads to some acts of war and terrorism and personal cruelty. Finally, you debase the human intellect with your primitive and childish beliefs and need for an imaginary friend. Thanks for listening.
@JoshyBloor 2) It is insulting to say that a person can have no morals without a god. Christians tell the lie to children that they are evil, then (worse) tell the story that their sins are absolved by someone else!This is immoral. Your only reason for having your morals is based on the reward of heaven if you do, or the punishment of hell if you don’t – it is impossible to claim that you are moral under those circumstances. I say with that evidence, that christians have an immoral position.
@JoshyBloor 1) I haven’t. There may be some repetition on some postings, and there maybe some similarities in atheists’ writings. I think that some have been quite original:-0
I have been repetitious in posting some bible extracts. Did you know that in every chapter of the bible you can find something bizarre, or contradictory, or vindictive, or plagarised? There is no god, and if you can’t agree that those quotes are not “bad” then you have a problem. Did you not find them repulsive?
@StrumstickJoe (1)Firstly, I never said a person can have no morals without a God. I said you can not know what is good or bad without a God. Of course you can make up morals, and hope to live by them, but you will never have a reference point in order to clarify those morals. Look at Hitler. He thought killing a couple million Jews was a ‘good’ thing, I think that it is not, now without a God, who is to say who is right?
@StrumstickJoe (2) You said, “There is no god”. Now please, ask me how you know this? All the great philosophers throughout the ages could not prove this, but some guy on YouTube can? WOW! Basically, to assume an absolute, without absolute knowledge, is nonsensical. It’s like saying, ‘There is no truth, except the truth, that there is no truth’, it is a contradictory statement.
And please, stop with your awful Biblical knowledge. If you are going to say something in the Bible is awful, then please at least understand the context. LOL! You said Christian tell children they are evil, then tell them their sins are covered by another person.. huh?! Jesus said that children are ‘innocent’, not evil.
“All religions have a hatred for the world”, what about Jainism? This religion believes that all things in the world are good, and that they are to be loved.
@StrumstickJoe (4) “I'm wantin world peace here!” – It makes me laugh when atheists say they want peace, when they are mostly the ones who cause all the trouble. Did you know that atheism has killed more people in the 20th century, then all the centuries put together? That’s a lot.
@JoshyBloor Basically, you come across as an angry guy who hates God (not an unsual atheist trate) and you are going all over YouTube spreading your hate gospel (despite your pledge for world peace), and you claim to hold all the truths of the universe (there is no God) and you think you are right… You are not an honest atheist. Try reading some honest atheist authors. Look at Nietzsche, he knew the reality of disbelieving in God. You my friend are a fraud.
@JoshyBloor B) Hitler was a catholic (and never got thrown out!) The Russian church was behind Stalin (2) I pray to god to cure all cancer victims tonight. (It’s for you, Josh, to show me that there is one – if you want to)(3) Sorry – I thought “he” said we were born sinful. Jainism..? Well become one of those then. .(4) Glad I made you laugh. Your statistics are wrong. Goodnight.
@JoshyBloor A) Unnumbered) I have shown no anger to you (I always thought anger was the lowest of emotions), sometimes I feel it when I see the damage and murder that religious fanatics perpertrate.
No atheist hates god, (that (common) statement really shows unreasoned bias) because there is no god. A fraud is someone who tries to deceive for some gain. Not me. You only say that because I contradict your faith. (1) Knowing good is having morals. That’s what I think.
@JoshyBloor I am honestly interested in how someone as obviously lettered and intelligent as you seem to be, can fall for the primitive stories of people who knew so very little about the world.
@StrumstickJoe (1) Hmm, Hitler was a Catholic? Stalin belonged to a Russian Church? In my second year of my History degree, I learned different. Hitler wasn't a Catholic. He used the church to get into power (Kershaw), he said himself "no one can be a Cristian and a Nazi", Nazism was a religion. And as for Stalin, he was an atheist too. Yes he belonged to a ministry, and even trained to be a priest, but he turned his back on God.
@StrumstickJoe (2) When I read the God Delusion, I came across these lies too. That is why you should never let a biologist out of his Lab, Richard Dawkins knows nothing of History, he is just a materialist. (O and by the way, even he says that he is not an Atheist, he says himself that he cannot prove there is no God). But continue on stating there is no God. But please provide evidence of this statement. I never said there was a God, I just dont have enough faith to be an atheist.
@StrumstickJoe (3) Finally, you ask me how I can believe in a God as I come across as intelligent. Basically, as a historian, the historical, geographical and archeological evidence for Christianity is so overwhelming, that it cannot be ignored. Any HONEST thinker has to dig deeper. Therefore, I did, i read atheist and Christian authors, but no argument satisfied me, thus I asked God to come into my life, and He did, something majestic and humbling, and I pray he does the same for you. G' night.
@JoshyBloor 3)There's no evidence for exodus, the kingdom of david, the jesus figure, the miracles etc. so don’t burden ME with need of proof. Atheists say they “have no proof there is no god” True. They are still atheists, and do not talk to, or need, or put their faults upon, an imaginary friend for comfort. Don’t pray for me, you will find that, like all prayers, it won’t work. (Oh, I know that some will come true because of happenstance –pray for universal cancer cure – go on, I dare you!)
@JoshyBloor 2)We are born atheists. There is no faith involved. There is no proof needed (proof of what?). I’m glad you’ve read the subject, it illustrates intelligence. But I’m sorry you were humbled, and now worship an (obviously) insecure entity. (Why would worship be required – I don’t get it!! Really! Please answer that.) Your “.. historical, geographical and archeological evidence for Christianity is so overwhelming..” is delusional, and there is no argument against that.
@JoshyBloor 1)Nazism was a religion – what nonsense!
RC church celebrated H’s birthday. RO church retains its power (slight dip in 1918) but you miss the point, they did not do their atrocities (nor did Mao or Pol Pot) in the NAME of atheism; religion does its killing in god’s name. But even more, your defence “atheism has killed more people…” is poor; even if true, it would not mitigate the trail of blood and guilt that marks the path of christianity. (They killed more than me, your Honour!)
@frost122585 If religious people want to prove their beliefs, they will need evidence. (They have had a few thousand years to find it, but have so far failed.)
Non-religious people do not need evidence.
You do not need evidence to prove that something doesn't exist - it's absurd!
@StrumstickJoe In the US people have the right of "freedom of religion and the free exercise thereof." They dont have to prove anything to exercise their beliefs.
@StrumstickJoe I guess my question is, how come you post on videos specifically like this if you don't believe there is absolute truth? To me it appears that the very conviction of your BEING is searching for that very answer, and when you fail to find something sufficient enough to arouse your intellect you dismiss it! I will surely pray for you, because even though you don't believe on Jesus, He surely believes in and loves you!
Your language and your beliefs belong in the 13th century - or even further back!
To answer you: I think that religion is demeaning and dangerous.
It's no good my going on atheist channels to free slaves - I take it that they're all here, watching these rich and smug preachers spreading their myths.
If there ever was a JC, he's dead and can't love me anymore!
I don't believe in magic, in sacrifice, or in cannibalism.
@StrumstickJoe haha yes ON Jesus. lots of people believe IN Jesus..there is indisputable evidence He existed. There's no question. There is also highly indisputable evidence that He did miraculous signs and wonders, further more to be accounted for by the multiple eye witnesses. Unless these 100,000s maybe millions of people are all liars. Regardless, based off your language, I can tell you have never read a bible in your life, or any other religious text. Don't listen to what others say.
@EDIDDY3234 There really is no evidence whatever for what you claim. None. The "eye witnesses" were primitive and superstitious (and most of it was written in retrospect) Your god and your jesus left nothing behind except millions of gullible sheep. If you believe in something you can't see, then you are relying on other people's fantasies, or perhaps your own, to base your belief on. Faith is just that - a trust in something that isn't there!
@StrumstickJoe I can tell you are someone who needs to SEE to believe. You are no different than the people that existed when Jesus was a around. They saw and they still didn't believe, So why would God concern Himself with the faithless? Jesus is very much alive. You don't believe in Sacrifice? Then I guess the sacrifice the soldiers paid in WWII didn't happen. it's pointless right? Or the American Fore-Father's paid with their life to institute a free America. Don't cut yourself short sir.
@EDIDDY3234 ) ..then pray: Dear God, almighty, all-powerful, all-loving creator of the universe, we pray to you to cure every case of cancer on this planet tonight. We pray in faith, knowing you will bless us as you describe in Matthew 7:7, Matthew 17:20, Matthew 21:21, Mark 11:24, John 14:12-14, Matthew 18:19 and James 5:15-16. In Jesus' name we pray that you cure them all, Amen.
@StrumstickJoe Additionally, no where in the bible does it endorse magic or cannibalism. Another testimony that you have yet to read the bible. Don't listen to people on the outside who call themselves scholars they have clearly never read a bible in their life. Religion doesn't destroy people, the foul heart and sinful nature of man destroys other men.
@StrumstickJoe Romans 8:28: And we know that in all things God works for the good of those who love him, who have been called according to his purpose. Titus 1:6 They claim to know God, but by their actions they deny him. They are detestable, disobedient and unfit for doing anything good. Gal6:7 Do not be deceived: God cannot be mocked. A man reaps what he sows. They have to be read in context... but the main point for you is Don't be fooled God cannot be mocked!
@StrumstickJoe Titus 1:6 refers to people who put on an act but in their heart truly don't worship God and live out their lives so... I'm not convinced your prayer there about cancer was truly from the heart... you can say i know nothing and you can claim it to have been from the heart... but remember God cannot be mocked!
@EDIDDY3234 Miracles are magic. The eucharist is cannibalism. The whole faith is based on the immoral premise that you can place your sins upon someone else.
Some people make sacrifices, meaning, do good for others at the expense of themselves, but your god, apparently, set up his "son" as a human sacrifice. That's obscene.
@StrumstickJoe I love that all the scripture you quoted works against you, rather than in favor of you, you ought to reread those verses more clearly and realize what Jesus is saying. Furthermore, the Eucharist is not literal, you can read the greek and the hebrew if you don't believe me, Jesus was ultimately saying that they must part take of what he was offering, salvation. Miracles are those which cannot be explained, magic is not real, every trick has a process.
@StrumstickJoe How is Christ's sacrifice obscene? The sin of man is obscene. With all your scripture (mis)quoting, you must have missed that Jesus WILLFULLY allowed Himself the lamb of sacrifice for us. The only thing keeping Jesus nailed to that cross was his eternal Love and plan of salvation by grace for us. Nothing else. He himself said the angels in heaven essentially were at his disposal. He had to suffer so we would have to. And to answer your question referring to cancer, read Genesis.
@StrumstickJoe Cancer is a result of sin on the earth, as all the illnesses and plagues are. No scientist or science can tell you where cancer begins. Research has an idea of what can cause it. Nonetheless, every person in the bible was was healed received that healing by asking, and receiving by faith. look it up. I can pray all I want, but those who neither Love God, nor believe on Him can receive healing from that which they do not want or seek.
@EDIDDY3234 This quote: “Therefore I tell you, whatever you ask for in prayer, believe that you have received it, and it will be yours” - is unequivocal.
You present excuses and mitigation. Sacrifice - as demanded of Abraham - is primitive obscenity. It has no place in decent thinking. (Also, it serves no purpose!)
You're a hopeless case; but I hope someone else might see this exchange and at least think about things.
@EDIDDY3234 I just looked at this stuff again (as I suggest you do - 'cause I've posted a lot on this site, and I don't think I need to add much more) - but I couldn't let... "Cancer is a result of sin on the earth, as all the illnesses and plagues are.".. go by without saying that it is the most complete rubbish it is possible to spout!
If you believe that, you'll believe anything. And you do.
Imagine, god SO hates the Japanese, and Haitians, and N.Zealanders, and bile belters in tornado alley
@StrumstickJoe I maintain what I stated in the first place. You don't believe there's a God. Period. And thus your very being yearns for answers, years for truth! You want so badly for there to be a plain as day answer, but you don't find it posting hatred and unbelief posts on Youtube. Every time you look up and swear at the very God you don't even believe in, and blame Him for natural disasters, you're at least speaking to Him, and that's a start. I will surely pray you.
@EDIDDY3234 "..don't believe...and thus your being yearns..." This is what we call a non sequiter.
I do like truth, that's why I don't believe in ancient myths. It's amazing how religios reverse things. I don't hate anything, (except the dangers of religious nutters, like the bombers) and have never posted hate. I don't swear at the god, that would be absurd, and I ergo don't blame him for anything; it's you that does that by saying he's the first cause. You don't understand irony, do you?
It is sad to see that these able men do not know the definition of Truth. They all support the Correspondence theory whihc is fatally flawed. The answer is not easy to find until you do an indepth study, and these men have not done their homework on this question.
One challenge when defining truth is that it is transcendental and not just mere understanding alone. It is something that one experiences, when they come in contact with it. Churchilll said "The truth is incontrovertible, malice may attack it, ignorance may deride it, but in the end; there it is." It has also been said that "truth has a certain ring to it" which also seems right as it is something that resonates with the individual and penetrates deeper than just the perceptual and superficial.
This "answer" to "what is truth?" is a STANDARD method of Christian BULLSHITTING, and only confuses the listener. Ravi "sounds" smart but gave NO answer at all.
And this is why Christ said "Judge the just judgement" and "Judge not, lest you be judged." Our judgements will be judged by him, so we must make sure they are just. Therefore, they necessarily must be guided by God's will.
...lets say this criminal convicted was terribly instigated into committing that crime. Then the death penalty might not Truly be the righteous punishment in that case. So while it may be a correct statement to say "this person should be given the death penalty" it is not necessarily a True one. That is why we must admit our perception and understand must be guided under God's will. We must seek to be Just in God's eyes, before we can seek to be right. And this generally true for anything.
To me, Truth is "justified perception from God." I say this because sometimes the most detailed account of a situation (while correct) may not actually be RIGHT- therefore it is not worthy of being called Truth. For example- if in referring to someone who has been convicted of a heinous crime punishable by death you were to say "They should be given the death penalty" this is a correct statement logically under the law. But, it may not actualy be a true one because...
Has Ravi EVER read a science book?? He says that Jesus knew TRUTH but he is seemly ignorant to modern day scientific truth. The next time he takes a plane trip or seeks medical advice, I'm sure he will look for scientific TRUTH and trust the ENGINEER or DOCTOR for his safe arrival or cure.
@Andrewlohbihler "Scientific" truth cannot keep one alive forever- nor cure or heal or even treat every ailment. Only a strong faith offers the hope of eternal salvation- and the contentment at the time of our death in this world that comes from believing you just might be going to a greater place.
@frost122585 Sure, science does NOT have all the answers that you are seeking. But I prefer an unbiased investigation in that area of study, rather than childish WISHFUL thinking. "Truth" with any evidential merit is FAR better than any wishful "truth" read in a book of obvious FICTION.
Yeah lots of heavy believers throughout history have produced some of the most unbiased science that there is. So the idiotic idea that faith compromises science is just a mantra thats totally contrived. Newton, a Bible obsessive theologian of sorts- made probably the single biggest contribution to physics in human history. His bias was that God's universe could be understood because it was meant to be by a God who made it for man to unveil. That bias is a science starter not a science stopper.
@frost122585 Yes, you picked Newton as an obsessed christian. He undoubted did excellent science. However, he did Alchemy as well, and failed in every attempt to make gold out of simple metals. Did his christianity make him an excellent Alchemist, obviously NOT. Cherry pick all you want, but the VAST MAJORITY of christians are not people of science and NEVER will be. What a horrible waste of brain space.
The vast majority of any group, atheists, Africans, Hindus, etc etc are not people of science. Most people are uneducated and poor and not well read scientifically speaking. But actually your point is a terrible one because most of the great scientific advancements have come from nations predominantly Christian. The Western Christian dominant civilizations lead the industrial revolution and have made more head way in almost every form of science- aerospace, medicine etc- than any other group.
@frost122585 SO you think christians are scientists, or their countries developed science. Very POOR argument. That is similar to the argument that Islam is responsible for math and astronomy. This was true between the years 800 and 1100 AD and since then very LITTLE from Islam since. Look at Galileo as a point of interest. Just becasue a country embraces religion DOES NOT MEAN that its scientists are christian. You are TWISTING words again to rationalize your faith.
@Andrewlohbihler No I did not say that. You said that. I wrote that Christianity is not something that prevents good science and that in some people it can inspire them towards good science. So you are twisting my words with a straw man argument. My point is that most of modern science came from a western world predominantly Christan in faith and that this shows that Christianity is not inherently anti science but in fact may very well be good for science.
@frost122585 Well, the fact that the POPE believes evolution and the Big-Bang for cosmology, is good to suggest that christians are sensible thinkers. However, the vast majority of christian people believe the creationist version, and DO NOT critically think, and are encouraged by their peers to distruct science (faith healing, etc..). So if faith DID good to science (as you suggest) then WHY don't ALL christians embrace evolution, and other modern science, like the POPE does?
Well I think you have limited scope of the issue here. Most Christians DO believe in some evolution like cats are related or dogs- sometimes called micro evolution. So its not true that most don't believe in some evolution- the vast majority do. As far as universal common ancestry would say about 50% accept that. So to me you are overgeneralizing which is not scientific either. I am more concerned with the atheistic based bigoted view of science myself. Misrepresenting ID is bad for science too
@frost122585 You clearly cannot answer questions, AND are finding rationalizations at every TURN. I only ask that you CRITICALLY THINK, and suggest to yourself that anything written in the bible (or Quran, Torah, ..), MAY be wrong. How ridiculous does a story have to BE in the Bible before you begin to disbelieve it. If you find rationalizations at every TURN then you are intellectually DELUDED. Faith is an EVIL instrument.
I am sorry but your statements here are not rational. You have to be rational before you can be reasonable otherwise your reasoning will be disconnected and valueless. Saying "faith is evil" is not rational nor reasonable. Rational and reasonable people can believe in the Bible and have faith in it. Newton did and his work in physics was valuable because it was both rational and reasonable. Youre neither. You need to study philosophy (Kant, Spinoza etc) before holding opinions on these subjects.
@frost122585 Faith is a mental state that LOCKS you and many others into an emotional belief in a God and many bibical stories like creation that are logically ABSURD. You can rationalize in that STATE all you want, and suggest people who have DONE IT. But ultimately you are FOOLING yourself. Can you NOT see religious faith as questionable OR irrational?? If not, then you are NOT a free thinker, plain and simple.
No, faith is just when you believe in something strongly. What someone believes about the Bible is not equal to them fooling themselves at all. If you believe in creation, that is a perfectly sane belief. In fact when Stephen Hawking solved the field equations of relativity he PROVED that the universe had a beginning that came out of zero spatial volume. Hence, there was a creation of the universe. And as for all of the very many other things in the Bible, there is what's called interpretation.
@frost122585 ONce again you are rationalizing YOUR faith. No Lawyer wins a case on belief, they use incriminating or proving evidence. If you believe strongly in something, and evidence PROVES you wrong, and you ignore the evidence against the belief, then you are capable of doing something evil (example: killing abortion doctors). By the way, Stephen Hawking never "proved" anything about creation, and even he knows that he needs experimental evidence to confirm his cosmology theories.
You are insane if you think that just by having faith that makes you capable of murdering doctors. This is the kind of anti-religious bigoted hate speech that's worth getting concerned about. Hawking proved that there was a state where time and matter did not exist- that is zero spatial volume like I said. If there is no material to appeal to then the universe came out of nothing. This is not my opinion this science. Bu religion haters only support science when they think it is on their side.
I explain and prove to you that having faith does not make you irrational or unreasonable- by pointing to cases of the most reasonable scientists who were also believers and you talk about ho faith makes you murder abortion doctors. No one can have a conversation or debate with an irrational person like that.
@frost122585 Well there are many religious people out there that have and will gladly murder an abortion doctor because they believe that abortion is murder. Even priests have petitioned to have these murderers released on grounds that they think that the murder was done on humanitarian grounds. This is the evil act done in the name of "god". This illustrates clearly why religious people will do evil acts becasue their faith instructs them to. Learn something PLEASE !!!
No that is an absurd lie. There are not MANY religious people out there that would gladly murder doctors who perform abortions. Absurd. It extremely rarely happens. However take a look at Marxist/Stalinist Russia some time and Mao China where they aimed to outlaw religion. These people and their governments were responsible for more death/murders than any other. It is far more likely that the faithless Atheist would murder because he has no fear or respect of the divine than the Christian would
@frost122585 You are oblivious to history, and STUPID to boot. Christians always point to Hilter (a Catholic), Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot as devout Atheists murdering their people. This is a sampling of how religions use provocative word twisting to attain propagandizing goals. What is NOT mentioned is WHAT those rulers really DID, which had little to do with atheism. You are bend on spreading your religion like a cancer, under the guise of charity missionary duty. You CANNOT critically THINK.
@Andrewlohbihle No you are just a ridiculous brainwashed liar of bad will. Hitler was no Catholic- he may have been raised one but his actions are not consistent with the Catholic faith- they are absolutely opposite of its teachings. Liars like you cannot be argued with. The truth is the atheistic statist governments were an absolute disaster- and one of the greatest disasters in human history. Your audacity to say that I cant think when I am only giving historical facts, proves youre delusional
@frost122585 I can only say for some as YOURSELF that you have a bible TOO far up your ASS to make sense with. This typical christian DENIAL, as they cannot FACE historical truth with credibility. You are confusing science with faith TOO much that it PROVES your delusional understand as what a TRUE Atheist is. Atheists are TRULY GOOD people, not confused with faith and meager science knowledge.
You couldn't even find your ass to shove the book up there if you wanted to. You have no idea what science is- you're just a typical bigoted, fallacy spewing, full of hate, ignoramus. You have proven beyond doubt that you have no concept of philosophy, know nothing of history and are badly out of touch with reality. Go read a book for once in your life and actually try to learn something...
@frost122585 I HAVE proven one thing, I certainly got you thinking and hence SPEWING out emotional garbage. This is typical for christians who CANNOT reconcile their faith with logical sense and reality. I suggest you LOOK in the mirror and accept the you are in DENIAL and move on to a religion FREE life, becasue religion has FUCKED you up badly.
@Andrewl Nah, you just have a filthy mouth- typical of the uneducated- and you continue to show how much of a master you are at making a fool out of yourself- being an open and proud, belligerent, ignorant, bigoted atheist who spends time watching videos starring Christian apologists. My faith and my "logical sense and reality" as you put it, are reconciled just fine. That is because unlike you I am rational and reasonable and why I embarrassed your attempted arguments earlier. Talk to yourself.
@frost122585 "Rational and Reasonable", hardly, all I have seen is negative MORON with no logical insights and warped logic. The only FOOL here is yourself, and frankly I enjoy talking to wing-nuts like yourself BEFORE they go totally nuts. I can only guess that your parents fucked you up badly as a child. I'm sure that BIBLE was stuffed so FAR up your ass you can read Genesis through your nose.
@stickmanymickmany Well since you said it, it must be true. Thanks for the powerful insight... Please continue watching videos by CHRISTIAN apologists too- it helps support the view count. Dont be sorry for that. Thanks and God bless ;)
@frost122585 Not trying to counter and play cool - i said mine - but why is it that, when you say something insulting to a religious person, they usually say something back then finish with:
@stickmanymickmany 3 reasons. First, a Christian is commanded by Christ to pray for their enemies and not just their friends. Second, it shows that you can leave the debate without having to resort to some totally insluting comment and that you dont hold a grudge. And third it often annoyes the anti-religious person you are debating becuase prayer means nothing to them but they know to the Christian it's serious. So it is a way of killing them with kindness. All three reasons are vaild.
Right Ravi lol... because the dialogue in the Gospel of John is historically accurate. Give me a break. Critical scholarship put the nail in this coffin long ago.
They key questions the Bible answers have to do with our origins (were we created by a loving god or the product of impersonal chance), what is wrong with the world in its current state and can it be resolved?, what gives us meaning or purpose in life?, what is our desitny? Try listening to Ravi at rzim.org. Also, Historically, how did western civilization come about with the discoveries of sience and medicine? Christianity was a major factor. I used to believe exactly like you.
Truth is the Word of God and the greatest apologist and theologian never said so, amazing.They do not hold to my standard of being the greatest .Truth is the Word spoken sometimes not equal to the norms of realty, hence a miracle a Man rising from the dead etc.
When Pilate asked Jesus this question, he did not answer, perhaps because while idea's theory's and especially opinions can be put into words, truth cannot.
@shapaco89 I came to faith at age 28 only after having read the Bible and C.S. Lewis' Mere Christianity. My acceptance of the truth has nothing to do with indoctrinaction; it has to do with recognizing it when my thought corresponds to reality as it is. I rejected Christianity as a childhood so I am sorry to upset your false paradigm.
@netpropheting you can not know what is the truth if you have an inadequate education. I think everyone should read religious books as well as books against religion. The bible is a book that makes no sence at all! It is a terrible book!
The best clue as to truth is in Pilate's question which Jesus answers before Pilate asked it: Jesus' *purpose* in the world. The full complement of this brief answer by Jesus is *origin* and *destiny*. He came from the Father, came to do the Father's will and would return to the Father. The full ordered complement of these defines truth: It is knowing one's *past*, *present* and *future*; a perspective which when appropriated makes one free.
how can hindu telling moslims, christians and jewish people about there religion we all know that hindu worship of cow , rat , elephant, monkey and drink cow piss.
For God so loved the elect, that He gave His only Son, that whomsoever He had chosen to not perish but have eternal life should believe in Him. For God sent His Son to condemn the world, and to save the elect.
Look, I don't see how free will and predestination come in conflict, or contradict each other. The truth is this: we don't choose God; God chooses us. And then you can say that we choose God, as you can say a baby loves its mother after knowing that it's loved. Predestination is the first step, that God chooses (loves) us, and free will is the second step, that we choose (love) God, which does not come before the other. Do you disagree with me?
@jajdr Leave it to a Calvinist to assume the question here is about predestination. If God is truly the Creator of all that is, can we not also contend that Truth was a part of that Creation. If there is nothing, there is no truth. God answered the question for us. John 14:6 When he say's I am the truth.
Is this ball round - answer yes or no, true or false. If true, that is not absolute but the best possible answer for that question based on what we know.
Ask a theist - Is this ball round - answer yes or no, true or false, but god would know the absolute truth for it.
Ask God - is this ball round - answer - what is a ball, what is round, what are you talking about.
benaberry 1 week ago
So... in other words truth = rationalization? Well, I can certainly see why these jokers are popular...
radbarij 3 weeks ago
truth is your full of shit
pana376 3 weeks ago
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It's fascinating how when 19 Muslims slaughter 3,300 people in the USA it means we're to give other Muslims a political voice in the USA so they'll solve our problems.
Also how fascinating that a Muslim man can disgrace his wife with so many levels of degradation thanks to his high standing in the community till finally he is beating the shit out of her in all places that can't be viewed while in a full body Hijab covering.
ReligionOfSacrifice 4 weeks ago
love the video man
distractionxx 1 month ago
@Aliceeis, i think the answer is in the question. Why is truth most important? Because its truth! The very definition of reality! Thats a little kid asking why about everything, eventually you get to a simple self referencing truth. That's truth (and truth =Jesus =God=Yahweh= "I Am" aka self referencing reality).
kickinwayne45 1 month ago
No. The greatest question you can ask is "Why?" or "Why not?" and that's the question I ask to those who think this is the greatest question of all; Why?
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Jesus IS the truth, the life and the way!
Firewalker2609 3 months ago
But that is what ZIONIST'S do. Twist and lie twist and lie.
orbitingwebstar 4 months ago
Ravi Zacharias is a liar from the pit of hell. He said Pilate committed the biggest crime in history. The Bible says this.(Mat 27:24) When Pilate saw that he could prevail nothing, but that rather a tumult was made, he took water, and washed his hands before the multitude, saying, I am innocent of the blood of this just person: see ye to it. Need I say more?
orbitingwebstar 4 months ago
@orbitingwebstar Re-check your perspective. Joe Paterno and others were recently punished for "washing their hands" when they knew innocent children were being molested and did nothing. Now- if Jesus of Nazareth is truly the Messiah sent by God, innocent of any sin, yet falsely condemned to die a brutal death at the hands of evil men; if Pilate had the authority to do the right thing and chose not to because of political expediency, then could we not consider that a crime, just like @ Penn St?
1dcondave 4 months ago
So Jesus having and being servant to (All). Can somehow be equated to some queer football jock and the dollar worshipers that wouldn't tell on him. Interesting v e r y Interesting indeed.
orbitingwebstar 3 months ago
@orbitingwebstar Again I say to you: recheck. My comment did not compare Christ to Sandusky (spelling?), but Pilate to Paterno; the object being that we often fail to do the right thing because it's easier to go with the flow. Only later do we discover that we have become accessories to the crime. My dear sweet mama told me as a kid that failing to do the right thing is the same as doing the wrong thing.
1dcondave 3 months ago
If one has no grasp of the meaning and definition of morality...it's virtually impossible to define truth in a coherent authorative context.
MORAPHOBIA (fear of moral integrity) is the ultimate insignia of man's unquenchable desire for self glorification.
Four Necessities of Life are: Virtue Truth Morality & Time.
Test them for yourself.
Apply them in your life, and you'll find infinite substance. --yours truly, j.b.
microvantastic 5 months ago
I believe Truth is anything that gives.. not only meaning, but hope to the plight of man. I don't agree with RC's definition. If the "Allmighty" decides what it is, it still remains to be defined. Truth is what makes a given social "fact" either viable or unacceptable...thus, Truth is moral bound because it values not only man's existence, but his hope for perpetual valldation.
I say.. Truth is Infinite Moral Provocation.
ALSO...Truth is that which justifies infinite understanding.
microvantastic 5 months ago
Look at all the professional scholars debating HERE, of all places, YouTube! Be still, you foolish Christian detractors, and be silent! You have the privilege of reading the words of some of the greatest men on the face of the earth! Tremble before their intellect!
Of course, I'm being sarcastic. God - Father, Son and Holy Spirit - bless.
mickdukes 6 months ago
Objective truth exists, despite popular opinion, and despite what people's particular worldviews may be. For example: For centuries, many learned men during their time maintained that the earth was flat. Many at the same time maintained that it was round. Whose view corresponded with the objective truth? Those who espoused that the earth was round correct? Truth, by definition, is exclusive. Those who thought it to be flat were wrong. The earth cannont be flat and round at the same time.
TheErowidian 6 months ago
What is truth? It's a stupid question. These theologians put on one of the most exquisite charades. They imagine these "deep" questions and create "profound" characters to "explain" their questions. They never actually get to the heart of what they seek. God is obviously a reflection of men made to control people.
beeeefcurtains 6 months ago
@beeeefcurtains
I humbly would like to ask only one question of you. What do you value most in your life?
TheErowidian 6 months ago
@TheErowidian Why would that affect you in any way, and why would it affect "truth?" Who cares what I value? What anyone values is usually completely artificial. God does nothing to actually explain why anyone values anything. He's a horrible shortcut to take instead of actually confronting serious questions.
beeeefcurtains 6 months ago
@beeeefcurtains
I apologize sir, I did not mean to offend you by my question. If I may humbly ask one more.. What do you mean when you say "What anyone values is usually completely artificial." Please understand me, I am not arguing for or against God, I am simply asking you to clarify your position. Thank you.
TheErowidian 6 months ago
@beeeefcurtains
I apologize sir, I did not mean to offend you by my question. If I may humbly ask one more.. What do you mean when you say "What anyone values is usually completely artificial." Please understand me, I am not arguing for or against God. When you say that you are not making any truth claims and then say that: "this is complete rubbish" , are you not making a truth claim? And if you say "No, I am not making a truth claim", then your comment self-destructs and is found wanting.
TheErowidian 6 months ago 4
@TheErowidian Well, kind sir, I am only saying that people within a particular culture, history, geographic area etc. are pressured, or even coerced, into accepting "truth" or values. Furthermore, what we perceive has valuable or moral is usually legitimated. For instance, stealing is usually seen has immoral, but conquest is commonly legitimated by necessity, destiny, etc. Taking human life is also legitimated. When it's criminal it's murder. When it's justified, self-defense, war,etc
beeeefcurtains 6 months ago
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rrvolk 6 months ago
@beeeefcurtains How do you know your statment is true if you have no definition of truth?
You have provided no support for this opinion; it is simply an emotional reaction.
Actually, this kind of mind control is already being used constantly on America’s children through the public education system, the secular media, and science museums.
It's called evolution. The Bible warns about mind controllers at such institutions: it is they “who suppress the truth in unrighteousness” (Romans 1:18).
rrvolk 6 months ago
@rrvolk I'm not making any truth claims; I'm saying this is complete bullshit. There's a significant difference: it's much easier to say what isn't true than to say what is true, and religion, any religion, is false, is complete bullshit. Religion shouts charlatan! Im' not saying science is infallible, but it's many, many times more trustworthy than any religion or ancient "truth." Plus, scientists aren't brainwashing any kids. That's what religion does.
beeeefcurtains 6 months ago
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"How would Zacharias know what the truth is? How can he attribute this to a god? What special knowledge does he possess that other people don't?"
MomoTheBellyDancer Everyone has access to the Bible. It's spelled out clearly "for those who have ears to hear." Jesus claimed to BE "the TRUTH." Either he was crazy, a liar or who he said he was. Read the gospels for yourself, rather than getting your info 2nd or 3rd hand. Evaluate their validity by what he did and decide for yourself.
Photoglogal 6 months ago
As all 3 speakers have said: The only one that can TRULY say what TRUTH is without bias is the ONE who created all there is, GOD. And Jesus, GOD become MAN, said, "I am the Way, the TRUTH and the Life."(John 14:6).
Science, like everyone else, is also full of bias, as is the media. If you doubt it, you're purposefully blind. If an alien came here from another galaxy, they would be equally biased. We can't depend on science or experience. That's why God gave us HIMSELF as man. Jesus.
Photoglogal 6 months ago
Truth is important, but how to go about discovering truth. Wouldn't it begin with a blank slate? No biases, no assumptions. Just you, your senses, and the world around you. What then, would the truth look like? How would it be gathered? It would surely involve a process of observation, testing, and organizing the information we discover. It would evolve over time, adjusting itself as new things are discovered. Eventually, that very process would harness a name. It would be called.. science.
FearMonstro 6 months ago
How would Zacharias know what the truth is? How can he attribute this to a god? What special knowledge does he possess that other people don't?
MomoTheBellyDancer 6 months ago
TRUTH = Dinosaurs were the dominant terrestrial vertebrates for over 160 million years, from the late Triassic period (230 million years ago) until the end of the Cretaceous period (65 million years ago), when the Cretaceous–Tertiary extinction event caused the extinction of most dinosaur species, except for some birds.
gregrutz 7 months ago
@gregrutz lol
imapisces23 6 months ago
The best
Zwemer100 8 months ago
JESUS IS LORD!! HE IS THE ALPHA AND OMEGA!! HE IS AND IS TO COME!! I LOVE JESUS!
Thuva44 8 months ago 18
If "Truth is only that which affirms propotionally the nature of reality as it is.", how is it possible to use Genesis to prove such a statment?
As for "Truth is defined as that which correspend to reality as perceived by God because God's perception is never distorted. It's a perfect perception of reality." How can anyone argue or question a perfect presupposed assumption that supposedly is never distorted?
Toggen62 9 months ago
@Toggen62 Good question. How CAN they? Do you know anyone whose perspective is never distorted? If you say yes, you're either severely self-deceived, a total narcisist or a liar. But the one who created it is the only one with the "perfect perception of reality." And if you read the gospels, and truly look at the words and actions of Jesus - God who became man - you might discover that HE was none of those (self-deceived, narcisist or liar). Then what, to make such claims?
Photoglogal 6 months ago
@Photoglogal I don't know any "gods" or humans whose perspective is never distorted. And I might also be both severely self-decieved and a total narcisist liar. But how does the assumption "the one who created it" prove the biblical god to be the one of "perfect perception of reality" in question? How can my reading and doubting/questioning the gospels "discover" the religious obvious without your faith in those claims? (A faith in a worship seeking son sacrificing hellmaker god I don't share.)
Toggen62 6 months ago
@Toggen62
I was saying that the one who created the world is the only one with the unbiased perspective of reality. Since the Biblical God is the context, who else did you have in mind? And there is nothing wrong with doubting - as long as it's part of honest seeking. If you really seek truth and want to know it (and aren't just looking for arguments for their own sake), you WILL find it. If, on the other hand, you are just arguing out of boredom, then don't waste your (and my) time.
Photoglogal 6 months ago
@Photoglogal
I am not bored, and hopefully not arguing for arguing sake. But since I don't believe that your biblical god
is the context, why must I have someone else in mind? If you knew how many times I have been presented
the one and only "truth" that I eventually WILL find, you might understand why I have ended up doubting them
all.
Honest seeking doesn't help much if horrible biblical "facts" are supposed to be true. But please don't let me
"waste" your time, unless ---.
Toggen62 6 months ago
It's interesting that Zacharias says that Pilate's walking away from Jesus' authority was the "greatest crime". I've heard other examples of people lamenting the actions which led to the crucifixion, and it always puzzles me, because without the torture and death of Jesus, you've got no story. So I'd like to ask the believers: do you agree that Christ's crucifixion was a bad thing, and that the people responsible should be reviled? If so, why ? Thanks.
drumrnva 9 months ago
@drumrnva
From a human standpoint, man killing their creator was the greatest sin. But Jesus came not from a human standpoint, but in order to restore humanity to relationship with God through the sacrifice of the only perfect one - God become flesh - to atone for our sins, which was why Satan worked to try to kill him from birth. Jesus explained this to his disciples repeatedly before his betrayal and death. It seemed bad, but ultimately led to the possibility of salvation for all. You tell
Photoglogal 8 months ago
@Photoglogal So you do or don't think the actions of Pilate and others which led to the crucifixion are bad? I can't really tell from your response what you mean.
drumrnva 8 months ago
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Hawk291256 8 months ago
Great Ravi
Zwemer100 10 months ago
@Zwemer100 Ravi talks rubbish - and he gets paid a great deal of money to do so.
Your own jesus in your own book said many many times: you must give away your wealth to the poor; sell everything.
It's nonsense, of course, but it's your nonsense, so why don't you follow it?
StrumstickJoe 10 months ago
God is the reverse of truth.
StrumstickJoe 10 months ago
@StrumstickJoe you have a lot of truth clames - do you have any evidence?
girtkaz 10 months ago
@girtkaz Talking to you is like beating your head against a wall!
The one who makes the religious claims needs to supply the evidence.
Not the one who says they are false.
Do you understand what I'm saying? (Please try this time!)
The only evidence ever offered by the religious is their holy books - that is not evidence at all.
The bible is contradictory, plagarised, vindictive nonsense.
To find evidence for that, don't ask me; READ IT.
StrumstickJoe 10 months ago
@StrumstickJoe "To find evidence for that, don't ask me..." That is exactly what I am telling - you are not source for any evidence on any claim you make. So I see no use in talking to you.
girtkaz 10 months ago
@girtkaz "To find evidence for that, READ IT" I said. Not only are you not listening to anything that discomforts you, you're also not reading your own stuff. The quotes I gave to others below are evidence that it is malicious rubbish, for those who want to know.
Finally, one last time, I am not the one making claims, and need not to prove anything. Bye for now.
StrumstickJoe 10 months ago
@girtkaz
You're real good at insults and put-downs, but I haven't heard one word of intelligent rebuttal on the topic. It seems that it's YOUR turn to show some proof. Ravi, who you say, "talks rubbish" is highly studied and intelligent. Prove some of yours or keep your ignorant ranting - which is all it seems it is so far, without proof to the contrary - to yourself. BTW, if Jesus said "many many times" that you must give away your weath to the poor and sell everything," show me where.
Photoglogal 6 months ago
There are no gods.
StrumstickJoe 10 months ago
@StrumstickJoe what is your evidence?
girtkaz 10 months ago
@girtkaz I don't understand the question. It is for those who think there are gods to provide evidence for their existence - and in years of asking for evidence from religious YTubers and others - I have not been provided with any.
The bible (in which incidentally, there are several gods mentioned) is a plagarised mish mash of myths handed down from people who had no knowledge of tectonics, bacteria, meteorology et al. and who were superstitious. Why do you believe that stuff?
StrumstickJoe 10 months ago
@StrumstickJoe you made a confident truth clame - I thought you have some evidence for your position. As for God - Universe begun to exist thus it needs timeless,spaceless and immaterial couse. God fits pefectly giving conditions of Univers we deffinitely can observe. What evidence you have that this couse is not God?
girtkaz 10 months ago
And in a simple sense one might say that Truth is "the word of God" because it is said in the Bible that "in beginning there was the word"- hence the Lord's word is what makes up the actual fabric of our reality. Furthermore, Christ absolutely said that he was "the Truth" (the way and the life) and Christ of course was "the word of God made flesh." Thus, I think that simply put one is justified in defining Truth purely as "the word of God."
frost122585 11 months ago
@frost122585 Samaria shall bear her guilt, because she has rebelled against her God; they shall fall by the sword, their little ones shall be dashed in pieces, and their pregnant women ripped open. - Hosea 13 Now therefore, kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman who has known man by lying with him. But all the young girls who have not known man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves. - Numbers 31
There is more! You live with it; I think it's disgusting!
StrumstickJoe 10 months ago
@StrumstickJoe Why have you posted this same message on loads and loads of videos and people's walls? Seriously, if God does not exist, then what is your problem? Why don't you stop parroting other atheists and come up with your own ideas, or can you not do that? Please explain to me something. If there is no God, then how can you say whether or not those scriptures you have quoted are good or bad? If I say they are good, and you they are bad, how do we know who is right or wrong.
JoshyBloor 10 months ago
@JoshyBloor 3) 3) The reason I am doing this is that I know that all the religions have a hatred for this world and can’t wait for the “next one”. They see nothing but guilt and fear of a vengeful god here. This leads to some acts of war and terrorism and personal cruelty. Finally, you debase the human intellect with your primitive and childish beliefs and need for an imaginary friend. Thanks for listening.
StrumstickJoe 10 months ago
@JoshyBloor 2) It is insulting to say that a person can have no morals without a god. Christians tell the lie to children that they are evil, then (worse) tell the story that their sins are absolved by someone else!This is immoral. Your only reason for having your morals is based on the reward of heaven if you do, or the punishment of hell if you don’t – it is impossible to claim that you are moral under those circumstances. I say with that evidence, that christians have an immoral position.
StrumstickJoe 10 months ago
@JoshyBloor 1) I haven’t. There may be some repetition on some postings, and there maybe some similarities in atheists’ writings. I think that some have been quite original:-0
I have been repetitious in posting some bible extracts. Did you know that in every chapter of the bible you can find something bizarre, or contradictory, or vindictive, or plagarised? There is no god, and if you can’t agree that those quotes are not “bad” then you have a problem. Did you not find them repulsive?
StrumstickJoe 10 months ago
@StrumstickJoe (1)Firstly, I never said a person can have no morals without a God. I said you can not know what is good or bad without a God. Of course you can make up morals, and hope to live by them, but you will never have a reference point in order to clarify those morals. Look at Hitler. He thought killing a couple million Jews was a ‘good’ thing, I think that it is not, now without a God, who is to say who is right?
JoshyBloor 10 months ago
@StrumstickJoe (2) You said, “There is no god”. Now please, ask me how you know this? All the great philosophers throughout the ages could not prove this, but some guy on YouTube can? WOW! Basically, to assume an absolute, without absolute knowledge, is nonsensical. It’s like saying, ‘There is no truth, except the truth, that there is no truth’, it is a contradictory statement.
JoshyBloor 10 months ago
@StrumstickJoe (3)
And please, stop with your awful Biblical knowledge. If you are going to say something in the Bible is awful, then please at least understand the context. LOL! You said Christian tell children they are evil, then tell them their sins are covered by another person.. huh?! Jesus said that children are ‘innocent’, not evil.
“All religions have a hatred for the world”, what about Jainism? This religion believes that all things in the world are good, and that they are to be loved.
JoshyBloor 10 months ago
@StrumstickJoe (4) “I'm wantin world peace here!” – It makes me laugh when atheists say they want peace, when they are mostly the ones who cause all the trouble. Did you know that atheism has killed more people in the 20th century, then all the centuries put together? That’s a lot.
JoshyBloor 10 months ago
@JoshyBloor Basically, you come across as an angry guy who hates God (not an unsual atheist trate) and you are going all over YouTube spreading your hate gospel (despite your pledge for world peace), and you claim to hold all the truths of the universe (there is no God) and you think you are right… You are not an honest atheist. Try reading some honest atheist authors. Look at Nietzsche, he knew the reality of disbelieving in God. You my friend are a fraud.
JoshyBloor 10 months ago
@JoshyBloor B) Hitler was a catholic (and never got thrown out!) The Russian church was behind Stalin (2) I pray to god to cure all cancer victims tonight. (It’s for you, Josh, to show me that there is one – if you want to)(3) Sorry – I thought “he” said we were born sinful. Jainism..? Well become one of those then. .(4) Glad I made you laugh. Your statistics are wrong. Goodnight.
StrumstickJoe 10 months ago
@JoshyBloor A) Unnumbered) I have shown no anger to you (I always thought anger was the lowest of emotions), sometimes I feel it when I see the damage and murder that religious fanatics perpertrate.
No atheist hates god, (that (common) statement really shows unreasoned bias) because there is no god. A fraud is someone who tries to deceive for some gain. Not me. You only say that because I contradict your faith. (1) Knowing good is having morals. That’s what I think.
StrumstickJoe 10 months ago
@JoshyBloor I am honestly interested in how someone as obviously lettered and intelligent as you seem to be, can fall for the primitive stories of people who knew so very little about the world.
StrumstickJoe 10 months ago
@StrumstickJoe (1) Hmm, Hitler was a Catholic? Stalin belonged to a Russian Church? In my second year of my History degree, I learned different. Hitler wasn't a Catholic. He used the church to get into power (Kershaw), he said himself "no one can be a Cristian and a Nazi", Nazism was a religion. And as for Stalin, he was an atheist too. Yes he belonged to a ministry, and even trained to be a priest, but he turned his back on God.
JoshyBloor 10 months ago
@StrumstickJoe (2) When I read the God Delusion, I came across these lies too. That is why you should never let a biologist out of his Lab, Richard Dawkins knows nothing of History, he is just a materialist. (O and by the way, even he says that he is not an Atheist, he says himself that he cannot prove there is no God). But continue on stating there is no God. But please provide evidence of this statement. I never said there was a God, I just dont have enough faith to be an atheist.
JoshyBloor 10 months ago
@JoshyBloor I will answer another time. But I don't think you've done very well in the later posts.
Best wishes, See you!
StrumstickJoe 10 months ago
@StrumstickJoe (3) Finally, you ask me how I can believe in a God as I come across as intelligent. Basically, as a historian, the historical, geographical and archeological evidence for Christianity is so overwhelming, that it cannot be ignored. Any HONEST thinker has to dig deeper. Therefore, I did, i read atheist and Christian authors, but no argument satisfied me, thus I asked God to come into my life, and He did, something majestic and humbling, and I pray he does the same for you. G' night.
JoshyBloor 10 months ago
@JoshyBloor 3)There's no evidence for exodus, the kingdom of david, the jesus figure, the miracles etc. so don’t burden ME with need of proof. Atheists say they “have no proof there is no god” True. They are still atheists, and do not talk to, or need, or put their faults upon, an imaginary friend for comfort. Don’t pray for me, you will find that, like all prayers, it won’t work. (Oh, I know that some will come true because of happenstance –pray for universal cancer cure – go on, I dare you!)
StrumstickJoe 10 months ago
@JoshyBloor 2)We are born atheists. There is no faith involved. There is no proof needed (proof of what?). I’m glad you’ve read the subject, it illustrates intelligence. But I’m sorry you were humbled, and now worship an (obviously) insecure entity. (Why would worship be required – I don’t get it!! Really! Please answer that.) Your “.. historical, geographical and archeological evidence for Christianity is so overwhelming..” is delusional, and there is no argument against that.
StrumstickJoe 10 months ago
@JoshyBloor 1)Nazism was a religion – what nonsense!
RC church celebrated H’s birthday. RO church retains its power (slight dip in 1918) but you miss the point, they did not do their atrocities (nor did Mao or Pol Pot) in the NAME of atheism; religion does its killing in god’s name. But even more, your defence “atheism has killed more people…” is poor; even if true, it would not mitigate the trail of blood and guilt that marks the path of christianity. (They killed more than me, your Honour!)
StrumstickJoe 10 months ago
@JoshyBloor Please, if there is anything I've said that's wrong - let me know.(I just noticed there's a "not" where there shouldn't be;-()
But factually, I mean. Surely you can understand why the world doesn't need this belief in a wrathful god?
I always thought anger was the lowest of emotions.
I'm wantin world peace here!
StrumstickJoe 10 months ago
@StrumstickJoe I have no idea what the meaning of what you just wrote is.
frost122585 10 months ago
@frost122585 If religious people want to prove their beliefs, they will need evidence. (They have had a few thousand years to find it, but have so far failed.)
Non-religious people do not need evidence.
You do not need evidence to prove that something doesn't exist - it's absurd!
StrumstickJoe 10 months ago
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@StrumstickJoe In the US people have the right of "freedom of religion and the free exercise thereof." They dont have to prove anything to exercise their beliefs.
frost122585 10 months ago
@StrumstickJoe I guess my question is, how come you post on videos specifically like this if you don't believe there is absolute truth? To me it appears that the very conviction of your BEING is searching for that very answer, and when you fail to find something sufficient enough to arouse your intellect you dismiss it! I will surely pray for you, because even though you don't believe on Jesus, He surely believes in and loves you!
EDIDDY3234 9 months ago
@EDIDDY3234 "Believe ON jesus"..?
Your language and your beliefs belong in the 13th century - or even further back!
To answer you: I think that religion is demeaning and dangerous.
It's no good my going on atheist channels to free slaves - I take it that they're all here, watching these rich and smug preachers spreading their myths.
If there ever was a JC, he's dead and can't love me anymore!
I don't believe in magic, in sacrifice, or in cannibalism.
Heaven would be hell.
Eternity is repulsive.
StrumstickJoe 9 months ago
@StrumstickJoe haha yes ON Jesus. lots of people believe IN Jesus..there is indisputable evidence He existed. There's no question. There is also highly indisputable evidence that He did miraculous signs and wonders, further more to be accounted for by the multiple eye witnesses. Unless these 100,000s maybe millions of people are all liars. Regardless, based off your language, I can tell you have never read a bible in your life, or any other religious text. Don't listen to what others say.
EDIDDY3234 9 months ago
@EDIDDY3234 There really is no evidence whatever for what you claim. None. The "eye witnesses" were primitive and superstitious (and most of it was written in retrospect) Your god and your jesus left nothing behind except millions of gullible sheep. If you believe in something you can't see, then you are relying on other people's fantasies, or perhaps your own, to base your belief on. Faith is just that - a trust in something that isn't there!
Free yourself. That is my reason for posting.
StrumstickJoe 9 months ago
@StrumstickJoe I can tell you are someone who needs to SEE to believe. You are no different than the people that existed when Jesus was a around. They saw and they still didn't believe, So why would God concern Himself with the faithless? Jesus is very much alive. You don't believe in Sacrifice? Then I guess the sacrifice the soldiers paid in WWII didn't happen. it's pointless right? Or the American Fore-Father's paid with their life to institute a free America. Don't cut yourself short sir.
EDIDDY3234 9 months ago
@EDIDDY3234 ) ..then pray: Dear God, almighty, all-powerful, all-loving creator of the universe, we pray to you to cure every case of cancer on this planet tonight. We pray in faith, knowing you will bless us as you describe in Matthew 7:7, Matthew 17:20, Matthew 21:21, Mark 11:24, John 14:12-14, Matthew 18:19 and James 5:15-16. In Jesus' name we pray that you cure them all, Amen.
Let me know if it works
StrumstickJoe 9 months ago
@StrumstickJoe Additionally, no where in the bible does it endorse magic or cannibalism. Another testimony that you have yet to read the bible. Don't listen to people on the outside who call themselves scholars they have clearly never read a bible in their life. Religion doesn't destroy people, the foul heart and sinful nature of man destroys other men.
EDIDDY3234 9 months ago
@EDIDDY3234 We have no need to be in dispute - test your faith - Read:Mark 11:24:, the words of JC himself:
“Therefore I tell you, whatever you ask for in prayer, believe that you have received it, and it will be yours” then pray…
StrumstickJoe 9 months ago
@EDIDDY3234 We have no need to be in dispute - test your faith - Read:Mark 11:24:, the words of JC himself:
“Therefore I tell you, whatever you ask for in prayer, believe that you have received it, and it will be yours” then pray…
StrumstickJoe 9 months ago
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@StrumstickJoe Romans 8:28: And we know that in all things God works for the good of those who love him, who have been called according to his purpose. Titus 1:6 They claim to know God, but by their actions they deny him. They are detestable, disobedient and unfit for doing anything good. Gal6:7 Do not be deceived: God cannot be mocked. A man reaps what he sows. They have to be read in context... but the main point for you is Don't be fooled God cannot be mocked!
purpletree11 8 months ago
@StrumstickJoe Titus 1:6 refers to people who put on an act but in their heart truly don't worship God and live out their lives so... I'm not convinced your prayer there about cancer was truly from the heart... you can say i know nothing and you can claim it to have been from the heart... but remember God cannot be mocked!
purpletree11 8 months ago
@EDIDDY3234 Miracles are magic. The eucharist is cannibalism. The whole faith is based on the immoral premise that you can place your sins upon someone else.
Some people make sacrifices, meaning, do good for others at the expense of themselves, but your god, apparently, set up his "son" as a human sacrifice. That's obscene.
StrumstickJoe 9 months ago
@StrumstickJoe I love that all the scripture you quoted works against you, rather than in favor of you, you ought to reread those verses more clearly and realize what Jesus is saying. Furthermore, the Eucharist is not literal, you can read the greek and the hebrew if you don't believe me, Jesus was ultimately saying that they must part take of what he was offering, salvation. Miracles are those which cannot be explained, magic is not real, every trick has a process.
EDIDDY3234 9 months ago
@StrumstickJoe How is Christ's sacrifice obscene? The sin of man is obscene. With all your scripture (mis)quoting, you must have missed that Jesus WILLFULLY allowed Himself the lamb of sacrifice for us. The only thing keeping Jesus nailed to that cross was his eternal Love and plan of salvation by grace for us. Nothing else. He himself said the angels in heaven essentially were at his disposal. He had to suffer so we would have to. And to answer your question referring to cancer, read Genesis.
EDIDDY3234 9 months ago
@StrumstickJoe Cancer is a result of sin on the earth, as all the illnesses and plagues are. No scientist or science can tell you where cancer begins. Research has an idea of what can cause it. Nonetheless, every person in the bible was was healed received that healing by asking, and receiving by faith. look it up. I can pray all I want, but those who neither Love God, nor believe on Him can receive healing from that which they do not want or seek.
EDIDDY3234 9 months ago
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@EDIDDY3234 This quote: “Therefore I tell you, whatever you ask for in prayer, believe that you have received it, and it will be yours” - is unequivocal.
You present excuses and mitigation. Sacrifice - as demanded of Abraham - is primitive obscenity. It has no place in decent thinking. (Also, it serves no purpose!)
You're a hopeless case; but I hope someone else might see this exchange and at least think about things.
Peace to you.
Bye
StrumstickJoe 9 months ago
@EDIDDY3234 I just looked at this stuff again (as I suggest you do - 'cause I've posted a lot on this site, and I don't think I need to add much more) - but I couldn't let... "Cancer is a result of sin on the earth, as all the illnesses and plagues are.".. go by without saying that it is the most complete rubbish it is possible to spout!
If you believe that, you'll believe anything. And you do.
Imagine, god SO hates the Japanese, and Haitians, and N.Zealanders, and bile belters in tornado alley
StrumstickJoe 9 months ago
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"bible-belters"
StrumstickJoe 9 months ago
@StrumstickJoe I maintain what I stated in the first place. You don't believe there's a God. Period. And thus your very being yearns for answers, years for truth! You want so badly for there to be a plain as day answer, but you don't find it posting hatred and unbelief posts on Youtube. Every time you look up and swear at the very God you don't even believe in, and blame Him for natural disasters, you're at least speaking to Him, and that's a start. I will surely pray you.
EDIDDY3234 9 months ago
@EDIDDY3234 "..don't believe...and thus your being yearns..." This is what we call a non sequiter.
I do like truth, that's why I don't believe in ancient myths. It's amazing how religios reverse things. I don't hate anything, (except the dangers of religious nutters, like the bombers) and have never posted hate. I don't swear at the god, that would be absurd, and I ergo don't blame him for anything; it's you that does that by saying he's the first cause. You don't understand irony, do you?
StrumstickJoe 9 months ago
It is sad to see that these able men do not know the definition of Truth. They all support the Correspondence theory whihc is fatally flawed. The answer is not easy to find until you do an indepth study, and these men have not done their homework on this question.
Gijreb 1 year ago
@Gijreb so are you saying truth is subjective or objective? cuz they seemed pretty spot on to me.
RCACsurvivorman 1 year ago
One challenge when defining truth is that it is transcendental and not just mere understanding alone. It is something that one experiences, when they come in contact with it. Churchilll said "The truth is incontrovertible, malice may attack it, ignorance may deride it, but in the end; there it is." It has also been said that "truth has a certain ring to it" which also seems right as it is something that resonates with the individual and penetrates deeper than just the perceptual and superficial.
frost122585 1 year ago
The justified and perspicuous conception of that which is good.
frost122585 1 year ago
Truth is "Justified pespective that comes from God."
frost122585 1 year ago
This "answer" to "what is truth?" is a STANDARD method of Christian BULLSHITTING, and only confuses the listener. Ravi "sounds" smart but gave NO answer at all.
Andrewlohbihler 1 year ago
And this is why Christ said "Judge the just judgement" and "Judge not, lest you be judged." Our judgements will be judged by him, so we must make sure they are just. Therefore, they necessarily must be guided by God's will.
frost122585 1 year ago
...lets say this criminal convicted was terribly instigated into committing that crime. Then the death penalty might not Truly be the righteous punishment in that case. So while it may be a correct statement to say "this person should be given the death penalty" it is not necessarily a True one. That is why we must admit our perception and understand must be guided under God's will. We must seek to be Just in God's eyes, before we can seek to be right. And this generally true for anything.
frost122585 1 year ago
To me, Truth is "justified perception from God." I say this because sometimes the most detailed account of a situation (while correct) may not actually be RIGHT- therefore it is not worthy of being called Truth. For example- if in referring to someone who has been convicted of a heinous crime punishable by death you were to say "They should be given the death penalty" this is a correct statement logically under the law. But, it may not actualy be a true one because...
frost122585 1 year ago
Has Ravi EVER read a science book?? He says that Jesus knew TRUTH but he is seemly ignorant to modern day scientific truth. The next time he takes a plane trip or seeks medical advice, I'm sure he will look for scientific TRUTH and trust the ENGINEER or DOCTOR for his safe arrival or cure.
Andrewlohbihler 1 year ago
@Andrewlohbihler "Scientific" truth cannot keep one alive forever- nor cure or heal or even treat every ailment. Only a strong faith offers the hope of eternal salvation- and the contentment at the time of our death in this world that comes from believing you just might be going to a greater place.
frost122585 1 year ago
@frost122585 Sure, science does NOT have all the answers that you are seeking. But I prefer an unbiased investigation in that area of study, rather than childish WISHFUL thinking. "Truth" with any evidential merit is FAR better than any wishful "truth" read in a book of obvious FICTION.
Andrewlohbihler 1 year ago
Yeah lots of heavy believers throughout history have produced some of the most unbiased science that there is. So the idiotic idea that faith compromises science is just a mantra thats totally contrived. Newton, a Bible obsessive theologian of sorts- made probably the single biggest contribution to physics in human history. His bias was that God's universe could be understood because it was meant to be by a God who made it for man to unveil. That bias is a science starter not a science stopper.
frost122585 1 year ago
@frost122585 Yes, you picked Newton as an obsessed christian. He undoubted did excellent science. However, he did Alchemy as well, and failed in every attempt to make gold out of simple metals. Did his christianity make him an excellent Alchemist, obviously NOT. Cherry pick all you want, but the VAST MAJORITY of christians are not people of science and NEVER will be. What a horrible waste of brain space.
Andrewlohbihler 1 year ago
The vast majority of any group, atheists, Africans, Hindus, etc etc are not people of science. Most people are uneducated and poor and not well read scientifically speaking. But actually your point is a terrible one because most of the great scientific advancements have come from nations predominantly Christian. The Western Christian dominant civilizations lead the industrial revolution and have made more head way in almost every form of science- aerospace, medicine etc- than any other group.
frost122585 1 year ago
@frost122585 SO you think christians are scientists, or their countries developed science. Very POOR argument. That is similar to the argument that Islam is responsible for math and astronomy. This was true between the years 800 and 1100 AD and since then very LITTLE from Islam since. Look at Galileo as a point of interest. Just becasue a country embraces religion DOES NOT MEAN that its scientists are christian. You are TWISTING words again to rationalize your faith.
Andrewlohbihler 1 year ago
@Andrewlohbihler No I did not say that. You said that. I wrote that Christianity is not something that prevents good science and that in some people it can inspire them towards good science. So you are twisting my words with a straw man argument. My point is that most of modern science came from a western world predominantly Christan in faith and that this shows that Christianity is not inherently anti science but in fact may very well be good for science.
frost122585 1 year ago
@frost122585 Well, the fact that the POPE believes evolution and the Big-Bang for cosmology, is good to suggest that christians are sensible thinkers. However, the vast majority of christian people believe the creationist version, and DO NOT critically think, and are encouraged by their peers to distruct science (faith healing, etc..). So if faith DID good to science (as you suggest) then WHY don't ALL christians embrace evolution, and other modern science, like the POPE does?
Andrewlohbihler 1 year ago
Well I think you have limited scope of the issue here. Most Christians DO believe in some evolution like cats are related or dogs- sometimes called micro evolution. So its not true that most don't believe in some evolution- the vast majority do. As far as universal common ancestry would say about 50% accept that. So to me you are overgeneralizing which is not scientific either. I am more concerned with the atheistic based bigoted view of science myself. Misrepresenting ID is bad for science too
frost122585 1 year ago
@frost122585 You clearly cannot answer questions, AND are finding rationalizations at every TURN. I only ask that you CRITICALLY THINK, and suggest to yourself that anything written in the bible (or Quran, Torah, ..), MAY be wrong. How ridiculous does a story have to BE in the Bible before you begin to disbelieve it. If you find rationalizations at every TURN then you are intellectually DELUDED. Faith is an EVIL instrument.
Andrewlohbihler 1 year ago
I am sorry but your statements here are not rational. You have to be rational before you can be reasonable otherwise your reasoning will be disconnected and valueless. Saying "faith is evil" is not rational nor reasonable. Rational and reasonable people can believe in the Bible and have faith in it. Newton did and his work in physics was valuable because it was both rational and reasonable. Youre neither. You need to study philosophy (Kant, Spinoza etc) before holding opinions on these subjects.
frost122585 1 year ago
@frost122585 Faith is a mental state that LOCKS you and many others into an emotional belief in a God and many bibical stories like creation that are logically ABSURD. You can rationalize in that STATE all you want, and suggest people who have DONE IT. But ultimately you are FOOLING yourself. Can you NOT see religious faith as questionable OR irrational?? If not, then you are NOT a free thinker, plain and simple.
Andrewlohbihler 1 year ago
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frost122585 1 year ago
No, faith is just when you believe in something strongly. What someone believes about the Bible is not equal to them fooling themselves at all. If you believe in creation, that is a perfectly sane belief. In fact when Stephen Hawking solved the field equations of relativity he PROVED that the universe had a beginning that came out of zero spatial volume. Hence, there was a creation of the universe. And as for all of the very many other things in the Bible, there is what's called interpretation.
frost122585 1 year ago
@frost122585 ONce again you are rationalizing YOUR faith. No Lawyer wins a case on belief, they use incriminating or proving evidence. If you believe strongly in something, and evidence PROVES you wrong, and you ignore the evidence against the belief, then you are capable of doing something evil (example: killing abortion doctors). By the way, Stephen Hawking never "proved" anything about creation, and even he knows that he needs experimental evidence to confirm his cosmology theories.
Andrewlohbihler 1 year ago
You are insane if you think that just by having faith that makes you capable of murdering doctors. This is the kind of anti-religious bigoted hate speech that's worth getting concerned about. Hawking proved that there was a state where time and matter did not exist- that is zero spatial volume like I said. If there is no material to appeal to then the universe came out of nothing. This is not my opinion this science. Bu religion haters only support science when they think it is on their side.
frost122585 1 year ago
I explain and prove to you that having faith does not make you irrational or unreasonable- by pointing to cases of the most reasonable scientists who were also believers and you talk about ho faith makes you murder abortion doctors. No one can have a conversation or debate with an irrational person like that.
frost122585 1 year ago
@frost122585 Well there are many religious people out there that have and will gladly murder an abortion doctor because they believe that abortion is murder. Even priests have petitioned to have these murderers released on grounds that they think that the murder was done on humanitarian grounds. This is the evil act done in the name of "god". This illustrates clearly why religious people will do evil acts becasue their faith instructs them to. Learn something PLEASE !!!
Andrewlohbihler 1 year ago
No that is an absurd lie. There are not MANY religious people out there that would gladly murder doctors who perform abortions. Absurd. It extremely rarely happens. However take a look at Marxist/Stalinist Russia some time and Mao China where they aimed to outlaw religion. These people and their governments were responsible for more death/murders than any other. It is far more likely that the faithless Atheist would murder because he has no fear or respect of the divine than the Christian would
frost122585 1 year ago
@frost122585 You are oblivious to history, and STUPID to boot. Christians always point to Hilter (a Catholic), Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot as devout Atheists murdering their people. This is a sampling of how religions use provocative word twisting to attain propagandizing goals. What is NOT mentioned is WHAT those rulers really DID, which had little to do with atheism. You are bend on spreading your religion like a cancer, under the guise of charity missionary duty. You CANNOT critically THINK.
Andrewlohbihler 1 year ago
@Andrewlohbihle No you are just a ridiculous brainwashed liar of bad will. Hitler was no Catholic- he may have been raised one but his actions are not consistent with the Catholic faith- they are absolutely opposite of its teachings. Liars like you cannot be argued with. The truth is the atheistic statist governments were an absolute disaster- and one of the greatest disasters in human history. Your audacity to say that I cant think when I am only giving historical facts, proves youre delusional
frost122585 1 year ago
@frost122585 I can only say for some as YOURSELF that you have a bible TOO far up your ASS to make sense with. This typical christian DENIAL, as they cannot FACE historical truth with credibility. You are confusing science with faith TOO much that it PROVES your delusional understand as what a TRUE Atheist is. Atheists are TRULY GOOD people, not confused with faith and meager science knowledge.
Andrewlohbihler 1 year ago
You couldn't even find your ass to shove the book up there if you wanted to. You have no idea what science is- you're just a typical bigoted, fallacy spewing, full of hate, ignoramus. You have proven beyond doubt that you have no concept of philosophy, know nothing of history and are badly out of touch with reality. Go read a book for once in your life and actually try to learn something...
frost122585 1 year ago
@frost122585 I HAVE proven one thing, I certainly got you thinking and hence SPEWING out emotional garbage. This is typical for christians who CANNOT reconcile their faith with logical sense and reality. I suggest you LOOK in the mirror and accept the you are in DENIAL and move on to a religion FREE life, becasue religion has FUCKED you up badly.
Andrewlohbihler 1 year ago
@Andrewl Nah, you just have a filthy mouth- typical of the uneducated- and you continue to show how much of a master you are at making a fool out of yourself- being an open and proud, belligerent, ignorant, bigoted atheist who spends time watching videos starring Christian apologists. My faith and my "logical sense and reality" as you put it, are reconciled just fine. That is because unlike you I am rational and reasonable and why I embarrassed your attempted arguments earlier. Talk to yourself.
frost122585 1 year ago
@frost122585 "Rational and Reasonable", hardly, all I have seen is negative MORON with no logical insights and warped logic. The only FOOL here is yourself, and frankly I enjoy talking to wing-nuts like yourself BEFORE they go totally nuts. I can only guess that your parents fucked you up badly as a child. I'm sure that BIBLE was stuffed so FAR up your ass you can read Genesis through your nose.
Andrewlohbihler 1 year ago
@frost122585 Sorry but Andrew is right, religion HAS fucked u up badly.
stickmanymickmany 1 year ago
@stickmanymickmany Well since you said it, it must be true. Thanks for the powerful insight... Please continue watching videos by CHRISTIAN apologists too- it helps support the view count. Dont be sorry for that. Thanks and God bless ;)
frost122585 1 year ago
@frost122585 Not trying to counter and play cool - i said mine - but why is it that, when you say something insulting to a religious person, they usually say something back then finish with:
God bless you.
OR
I'll keep you in my prayers.
I dont get it!
stickmanymickmany 1 year ago
@stickmanymickmany 3 reasons. First, a Christian is commanded by Christ to pray for their enemies and not just their friends. Second, it shows that you can leave the debate without having to resort to some totally insluting comment and that you dont hold a grudge. And third it often annoyes the anti-religious person you are debating becuase prayer means nothing to them but they know to the Christian it's serious. So it is a way of killing them with kindness. All three reasons are vaild.
frost122585 1 year ago
@frost122585
Killing them with kindness. XD
If you wrote those 4 word while having a serious look in your eyes... your epic.
Period.
stickmanymickmany 1 year ago
Right Ravi lol... because the dialogue in the Gospel of John is historically accurate. Give me a break. Critical scholarship put the nail in this coffin long ago.
zappo1355 1 year ago
They key questions the Bible answers have to do with our origins (were we created by a loving god or the product of impersonal chance), what is wrong with the world in its current state and can it be resolved?, what gives us meaning or purpose in life?, what is our desitny? Try listening to Ravi at rzim.org. Also, Historically, how did western civilization come about with the discoveries of sience and medicine? Christianity was a major factor. I used to believe exactly like you.
netpropheting 1 year ago
Truth is a person, his name is Jesus Christ.
coolcantu 1 year ago
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Sorry, but Truth is Jesus.. Jesus Himself is the Truth-
John 14:6 Jesus said to him, “I AM the way, THE TRUTH, and the life.
shinsetsuken 1 year ago
@enRichme1
I was quoting what Ravi said...
Canlander7 1 year ago
Truth is the Word of God and the greatest apologist and theologian never said so, amazing.They do not hold to my standard of being the greatest .Truth is the Word spoken sometimes not equal to the norms of realty, hence a miracle a Man rising from the dead etc.
polopowers1 1 year ago
What is Truth?
When Pilate asked Jesus this question, he did not answer, perhaps because while idea's theory's and especially opinions can be put into words, truth cannot.
Rusty0555 1 year ago
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this is nonsense.
There is no truth, absolute, relative or otherwise.
When you say something is true you are just giving your personal opinion on the matter.
opinions on what is true or not are a dime a dozen.
tsixles 1 year ago
That is so true. The question man will struggle with is "What is Truth?"
Pontius Pilate asked the Lord to His face, and turned away. Who broke the crime now? :P
Canlander7 1 year ago
you are all blinded by your religion... how can you claim what the truth is when you were all indocrinated in your childhood...
shapaco89 1 year ago
so you do not believe in truth?
1rubensito1 1 year ago
@shapaco89 I came to faith at age 28 only after having read the Bible and C.S. Lewis' Mere Christianity. My acceptance of the truth has nothing to do with indoctrinaction; it has to do with recognizing it when my thought corresponds to reality as it is. I rejected Christianity as a childhood so I am sorry to upset your false paradigm.
netpropheting 1 year ago
@netpropheting you can not know what is the truth if you have an inadequate education. I think everyone should read religious books as well as books against religion. The bible is a book that makes no sence at all! It is a terrible book!
shapaco89 1 year ago
The best clue as to truth is in Pilate's question which Jesus answers before Pilate asked it: Jesus' *purpose* in the world. The full complement of this brief answer by Jesus is *origin* and *destiny*. He came from the Father, came to do the Father's will and would return to the Father. The full ordered complement of these defines truth: It is knowing one's *past*, *present* and *future*; a perspective which when appropriated makes one free.
Str8Pretzel 2 years ago
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how can hindu telling moslims, christians and jewish people about there religion we all know that hindu worship of cow , rat , elephant, monkey and drink cow piss.
ohwahwah 2 years ago
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Here is the Calvinist translation of John 3:16
For God so loved the elect, that He gave His only Son, that whomsoever He had chosen to not perish but have eternal life should believe in Him. For God sent His Son to condemn the world, and to save the elect.
calvinismisacult 2 years ago
Look, I don't see how free will and predestination come in conflict, or contradict each other. The truth is this: we don't choose God; God chooses us. And then you can say that we choose God, as you can say a baby loves its mother after knowing that it's loved. Predestination is the first step, that God chooses (loves) us, and free will is the second step, that we choose (love) God, which does not come before the other. Do you disagree with me?
jajdr 2 years ago
@jajdr Leave it to a Calvinist to assume the question here is about predestination. If God is truly the Creator of all that is, can we not also contend that Truth was a part of that Creation. If there is nothing, there is no truth. God answered the question for us. John 14:6 When he say's I am the truth.
bowillie123 1 year ago