Ivan Denisov Concept 2 Rower - 500 Meter 1:19

[dsgoose]

Impressive. The dude is fit. I will have to read up on professional kettleballing I guess.

[philcoool]

In my opinion from from sportsman to another we all work hard and some has strenghts in departments others haven't.I am age 50 and tried the Concept 2 6000m,5000m,2000m,1000m,500m and 4 min rowing.See a video on my page 16 to 50 it may surprise you.Good day all.Check Phillip Cameron on the Concept 2 L/weight and see my progress I havn't rowed for 2mth and my rankings has slipped.

[ChrisBrett2K]

His time is ok but nothing particularly impressive. That is not an insult it is a fact. I don’t know ANY decent rowers of Ivan’s size who are slower. He time does not reflect well against those of comparable rowers.

I can’t show you any rowers KettleBell results because they all know better ways of achieving their specific requirements for strength training. This is not an insult we just have no need of KettleBells in our sport as there is no evidence to support such a requirement.

[buffalokettlebell]

@ChrisBrett2K maybe YOU didnt read what i wrote earlier. we are not disrespecting your sport. we ARE embracing it ok. read between the lines. you keep mentioning research, YOU have failed to provide us with any documented evidence that proves anything about rowing other than what you are typing. to me its just opinions. you start out by attacking us and then blame us for defending ourselves, does not make any sense. i feel you do not handle criticism very well. i like your determination though

[buffalokettlebell]

@ChrisBrett2K whats the best rowers name? im sorry i do not know who it is, i would like to though.... 

[buffalokettlebell]

so..... the only way to resolve this is to do the following. gather a prize pool from our people and you from yours. you take the greatest rower to walk planet earth that you got and we'll take our boy ivan denisov. we will put them into a ring of some type and they will fight each other. winner takes all the money. its the only way chris. i have a 401k i could close on, i could sell my house for some cash too. and i know some arms that could throw me some loans. its the only way. you in?

[buffalokettlebell]

its actually very opposite of the way kettlebells make you feel. i just dont think the row can bring as much to the table as kettlebells can, NOW having done both of them. you CANT POSSIBLY pass judgment on our training without having ever done it, i say YOUR argument has no substance at all having not ever touched kbs or put forth any effort into REAL kettlebell training. this is man shit my friend. the row is close but its not. you think we suck and we think you guy are pretty good. so.......

[buffalokettlebell]

Chris what i mean is we are basically cut from the same branch man. the training is remotely similar. we are embracing your row machine. we like it and you are attacking the shit out of him like he did you dirty. i have to say its uncalled for. i have been training on the row machine myself for about 3 weeks or so now and i too enjoy what the row machine does. my body feels much better, my coach says its good for recovery. no joint pain at all really. its smooth all the way around.

[ChrisBrett2K]

I thought as much.

[ChrisBrett2K]

Read my response. You are missing the point. The athlete who achieved well over 20% better power output than Ivan ( a huge difference ) was very new to rowing as well. This is the key point though - Ivan should be out performing rowers over 500m because he is a) A power athlete and b) Much bigger than the average rower. If I was advising someone to train for 500m I would prescribe weight training, and not rowing. Ivan DOES NOT do well compared to top rowers and he should beat them.

[WorldKettlebellClub]

@ChrisBrett2K You are confused, Ivan is not a Power Athlete. Kettlebells are an Endurance Sport. Also, he was maybe 104kg at the time of this performance. Perhaps on his second attempt he could do better, but the point still remains that a kettlebell athlete can do within 5 seconds of your hero pro rowers, yet you and your pro rowers will not accept our challenge to even try "girls weight" kettlebells. If you agree, I will overnight you two mens kettlebells and you film your first attempt ok?

[ChrisBrett2K]

KettleBell training is an extremely specific technical discipline so 1st attempts will be particularly poor. It is obvious to anyone who has even a shred of sports science knowledge. ANY very big, strong reasonably fit guy should be able to pull close to Ivan's time on a 500m. This is because it isn't as technically specific a sport.

Your argument is like saying an average pole vaulter who can run 12.0 secs for the 100m is better than UB because UB can't vault on his 1st attempt.

[buffalokettlebell]

@ChrisBrett2K i still for the life of me can not understand why kettlebells bring so much drama. one reason he might not have done as good as his potential would suggest, is because he probably just the day before if not the same day broke a few different KB records and throughout the week. this was his last day of a long week of hardcore kb lifting. his motor skills were shot. also was probably boozing the night before. its irrelevant though. why all the hate toward my man denisov?

[supernova3]

Show us a vid of him doing 2k in a single on the water. And we'll compare that to a vid of a rower trying to do some kettlebell training. I think a rower would fair better.

[ChrisBrett2K]

As mentioned before Check out v=g2_stWLtGfc

The guy starting this world record had done 1:15 for 500m after very little rowing. He was an ex cricketer and an ex smoker and weighed a lot less than Ivan. He was certainly genetically suited to rowing but nonetheless he was producing over 20% more power per weight than Ivan and that is a very safe estimate.

[WorldKettlebellClub]

@ChrisBrett2K Yes, those are great results. You seem to be missing the point though. A Pro Kettlebell Athlete does "well" on the rower the first attempt. I will assume that a top male rower could do well on their first attempt with a kettlebell too, but only if compared to our top girls. Give them some 32kg kettlebells and they won't even go the distance, buried by the weight! We try your machine to test our general physical preparedness, not to break your records. The offer still stands...

[ChrisBrett2K]

@WorldKettlebellClub Oi show my response at the top as well. You're giving the wrong impression. In the mean time I'm getting repeated online abuse from your aggressive steroid taking (or some similar reason for overly aggressive behaviour) friends. Ivan performs OK not WELL. The best BIG rowers would perform well (way above average) at Kettle Bells. Statement corrected now we can all be friends. Remember I have never criticised Ivan I'm just subjecting his rowing results to expert analysis.

[WorldKettlebellClub]

@ChrisBrett2K "Rowers would do well at kettlebells, they would would would". We have asked many times for a rower to even TRY Kettlebells, but they do not. Why avoid it? Ivan wishes to test his general capacity by other means. He rowed, ran a marathon, lifted barbells etc. and is not afraid to try something he has never practiced and put it up on Youtube. Again, we like your machine. It's good for cardio etc., but it's nowhere near the overall Fitness rewards of Kettlebell Lifting.

[ChrisBrett2K]

@WorldKettlebellClub Look Ivan did quite well. Very well compared to average non athletes. Rowers would achieve a similar result. I don't think anyone would deny this. The only reason no rowers are taking up the challenge is the same reason they haven't used kettlebells before. No rowing coaches are advising them to. I have never disrespected your sport. Ivan seems to be a very impressive athlete and his kettlebell achievements are to be lauded. He just isn't as fast as you thought over 500m.

[WorldKettlebellClub]

@ChrisBrett2K No claim of "amazing performances", just good. Ivan has never seen a rower before this day. You ask about his 2k, but Ivan is in Siberia with a metal ball with a handle that costs a few Rubles, not $1300 like this Concept 2 Rower. C2 put the 500m test as a "Standard Distance" not us. I'm sure you are right that 500m is not the most respected test within the rower community, just like 5 min is not in Kettlebells. How about you donate a C2 to Ivan and we will send you a KB ;)

[ChrisBrett2K]

@WorldKettlebellClub Its a slight coincidence that Ivan's technique is good for a first attempt and you effectively almost exactly predicted his time by setting a 1:20 pace boat. The best 500m athletes are very large powerful weight training athletes so Ivan should be excellent (better than arower). He is not. 1:19 for a 115Kgs lean mass athlete is actually fairly average especially considering he is a world record holder in your sport. In short your statement is poorly researched and misleading

[ChrisBrett2K]

'kookybal' < Nice

'Anyone can sit and yank on an erg' < Not strictly true. It depends how fast we are talking.

It doesn't even have to be on the water. 2000m on the erg would be a good enough test. If Ivan can go sub 5:50 (as a 115 Kgs lean mass athlete) we can BEGIN to be impressed with his 'superior' fitness training.

[jomamasez]

Anyone can sit and yank on an erg. Why not have Mr. Denisov get in a scull and race 2000m to show just where he really ranks against rowers? This "example" of kookyball lifters versus rowers is nothing more than a power test, of which MANY athletes would also be comparable. It is a much different test to actually race on the water for a much longer distance. No wonder no one takes your sport seriously.

[flapersonaltrainer]

this is inspiring. im not even a rower and my 500m time is 1:27.1 (8th in world for the 2012 year) im going to youtube my next attempt. keep u posted.

[ChrisBrett2K]

@flapersonaltrainer 1:27.1 is quite an average time (unless you are very light). I have never gone slower than 1:24 even when I have been VERY unfit with a lean mass of around 90 kgs. If you are interested in improving your rowing times talk to people who know about rowing on one of the Concept2 sites.

[ickbgirls]

This was Ivan's first time touching an erg. He had never seen one before. According to Concept2's online rankings, he's #10 out of 4403 people in the world who officially ranked in the 2011 season. That's not bad.

Concept2 required him to input codes from the PM3 to verfy his time.

I wonder if the best rower in the world could even make the list of top 100 best Kettlebell Sport (not kettlebell fitness) results from 2011; that is assuming he had never lifted kettlebells before.

[housetrance11]

@ChrisBrett2K you dont understand the average man (most men) could Not pick up a 40kg Kettlebell and shoulder press/jerk it for "1 rep" with one hand,

even the best weightlifters struggle with some of the weights and reps ivan does. watch him do 52 reps with 60kg.

[ChrisBrett2K]

To clarify there is absolutely no evidence to suggest that Kettlebell athletes have superior conditioning to rowers. I would argue that it is more likely that the opposite is in fact true.

[housetrance11]

@ChrisBrett2K Read what the description says "Hes not a rower but He scores well on the Rower, But NO rower in the world can match his Kettlebell results."

[ChrisBrett2K]

@housetrance11 Exactly the actual truth is that for an athlete of his lean mass he actually scores reasonably well (no better than that) over 500m which is a power athlete event. No rower can match his world record score with kettlebells but any half decent heavyweight rower would score reasonably well with kettlebells. No kettlebell athlete could match Rob Waddel's 2K world record.

[ChrisBrett2K]

I am a reqasonable heavyweight rower who is faster when untrained than Mr. Denisov over the 500m distance which should favour him. I can't see any relevance to your point whatsoever. I was around 100-102 Kgs when in peak condition (How is that lightweight?).

You simply cannot ignore the fact that much bigger guys are much faster than smaller guys over a 500m erg sprint. It would be like a 50Kg distance runner bragging about beating powerlifters who had attempted a 10K run.

[ChrisBrett2K]

It looks like Ivan has a lean competitive weight of 112 kg. So in summary he is slower than a decent ex rower in very poor shape with about 20 kgs less lean muscle mass.

[ChrisBrett2K]

PS After retiring from rowing, in pretty average shape and weighing in at around 103Kgs (About 10Kgs of this was lard). I pulled 1:18.3 with no specific 500m training. I was training 3 times a week at the time on the C2 rower for 1 hour each session.

[ChrisBrett2K]

1:19 is good but not astonishing. How good he is depends on how big he is. How heavy is he? If he is really big then 1:19 is only ok. Which top rowers have you tested on the kettlebell tests? One other point to remember is that the 500m is not a rowing test but is usually an event suited to large weight training power athletes. In summary your assertion that kettlebell training is better for all over physical conditioning is seriously flawed and your argument is very weak.

[seltersss]

@ChrisBrett2K lightweight rowers always bitch about heavy guys having an unfair advantage in indoor rowing. But they never say anything when they're out running, having 50 kg less to carry around when they're running an 800 meter.

[szucsbela]

Wow very strong but I want to see him do that on 2000m

[nicholasj1968]

I love that he uses a heart rate monitor. I have been using them for at least a decade. I never train without one. Ivan is incredible.

[jalidav1]

Absolute monster

[Buckiller]

Awesome. Would be nice to see some PM screenshots.

Now imagine if he improved his technique a little bit and had a little practice with 500m race strategy/tweaks to technique!

nice.