Hi, forgot to name the dance, it is called "I care not for these ladies" and is a change partner dance.
I'm busy making more costumes and bonnets for balls this year and they will be variations on your theme. Thank-you for simple and clear instructions much easier than the ones I usually make.
I make period costumes for balls here in England. The most popular are Georgian and Regency. I also attend many costume balls and enjoy the dances of the period. Your hat design can easily be adapted for the purist, but it is lovely as it is and would be very acceptable at most of the Regency functions here.The ones I make are very similar. Keep up the good work and keep history alive.
Your background music by the way, is one of my favourite dances.
Very fun! Thank you for showing the hand-stitching of buckram, it helped me to see it. Now I just need to see wire being sewn. I'm guessing it's zig-zagged over?
Right -- I am an inexperienced, no-degree hat fan who wants to have some fun! Thanks!
I also suggest that in a discussion, if you want to avoid people being rude to you, then perhaps you bite back your own rudeness. This isn't a battle of last words.
And lastly, because I'm getting tired of this lame discourse, I have more important things to do than to defend my work against someone I don't know...
It's too bad you're such a smug snot. I think I would probably like you very much and get along with you grandly otherwise.
Actually, I do think very highly of my opinion in this subject...my first and second degrees are in textile conservation and for the bulk of my professional life I have conserved restored and recreated historical garments for collections around the world. I have changed course for my PhD to work on music for historical dance, and I am just as fanatical about accuracy in that too. I am really sorry that criticism upsets you so.
I was wondering how long it would take you to list your credentials.
Good for you. You do us all a service by preserving lovely historic garments. I live to see images of those lovely items.
However, you might want to look into the disinction between being critical and being patronizing. Especially over a subject of very broad interpretation. Maybe others would 'think highly' of your opinion too if you delivered it in a less condescending manner. Just a suggestion, of course.
I made a bonnet pattern that can easily be made by people who are not milliners or professional costumers; a bonnet that will look appropriate with their Sense & Sensibility Pattern gown and spencer, and that will satisfy their desire to look the part. The bonnet looks fabulous. Even better as the high-angle version, it's showy and splendid. And as long as *they're* happy, then so am I. ;)
So why didn't you just accept Timestep's compliment on your work and acknowledge that your design isn't actually to an authentic pattern, but a generic, which is what Timestep implied
I'm not going to 'acknowledge' something I don't believe, my dear.
There is no such thing as 'authentic' when there was no such thing as mass-produced clothing and accessories. Everything that was HAND made during that time was 'generic' to meet fashion standards of the period, and there were MANY variations. I see a lot of people poo-pooing patterns by various people for lack of 'authenticity' and frankly, that's arrogant claptrappery to insist otherwise.
well, enjoy your fantasies... for some of us, the study of aspects of the past include accuracy, and if suggesting it is arrogant, then call me arrogant.
Oh, I'm rude? LOL.. that's a laugh. "well, enjoy your fantasies..." And what's that? Fluffy kindness? Please. You think very highly of your own opinion obviously. You've 'studied' 0.00000000098% of every hand-created garment ever made during a twenty-year period, and you think yourself qualified to knock down the hard work of others? Get over yourself. Really. Leave Timestep out of this. Her opinion only serves as a means to propagate your own.
Nonsense. The period fashion plates show a wide range of crown heights; some ridiculously large, others more proportionate. I think there was as much variation to their bonnets and styles as there are creative people.
Actually, timestep is quite right... Yes, there is variety but the higher crown styles are later in the period, and by the time it gets into the sort of height you are working with, the Regency is well and truly over. If you are taking the period 1811 to 22, bobbet-wise things tend to get wide before they go up, and the taller hats tend to be either Sheiko pattern, or with full brims
Well, Paris certainly had taller crowns than London, but the shape is usually squarer, and the brim is more 'shell shaped'.. that is, if we are actually talking about the Regency rather than a generic 'late Hanovarian', but if one looks at Malesherbes or Alésia, the figures are so stylistically drawn that I don't believe on can use them as gospel. London-wise, the smaller,neater shape typifies the earlier years of the period, becoming a shorthand for dowdy c. 1815, (cont
when the more militaristic shapes dominate, then towards then end of the 18 teens, a more homogenous shape with brim and crown more contiguous. The high, slightly conical shape only appears post 1825 when the style for plaited looks on top of the head becomes more popular, but then the crown is more vertical to the head.
Frankly ladies, as much as I worked to create a pattern based on images, I also created a pattern that was easily workable in Buckram. I disposed of flares at the top of the crown, or curlson the brim--and it is a pattern that looks very regency; whether or not it meets the exacting standards of people who demand accuracy down to the button. The truth is, people made their own clothes, and so in my mind, there is no exact standard, simply a 'look'. I won't quibble over the little stuff.
Hi, forgot to name the dance, it is called "I care not for these ladies" and is a change partner dance.
I'm busy making more costumes and bonnets for balls this year and they will be variations on your theme. Thank-you for simple and clear instructions much easier than the ones I usually make.
Maureen♥
moandian 11 months ago
I make period costumes for balls here in England. The most popular are Georgian and Regency. I also attend many costume balls and enjoy the dances of the period. Your hat design can easily be adapted for the purist, but it is lovely as it is and would be very acceptable at most of the Regency functions here.The ones I make are very similar. Keep up the good work and keep history alive.
Your background music by the way, is one of my favourite dances.
Maureen from Cheshire, England.
moandian 11 months ago
Thank you - clear and simple. I need to make 'easter bonnets' with the 'old people' at the local day centre, so simplicity is key
franterse 1 year ago
Gorgeous creations!
Thank you!
AbsolutelyNameless 1 year ago
Thank you very informative :-)
bigclockface 2 years ago
thank you
keep up the good work
ignore the yahoos
yours truly
ART13autotune 2 years ago 2
I hand-stitched it just looping around it in the seams.
HerOdyssey 3 years ago
Very fun! Thank you for showing the hand-stitching of buckram, it helped me to see it. Now I just need to see wire being sewn. I'm guessing it's zig-zagged over?
Right -- I am an inexperienced, no-degree hat fan who wants to have some fun! Thanks!
Hindasound 3 years ago
I also suggest that in a discussion, if you want to avoid people being rude to you, then perhaps you bite back your own rudeness. This isn't a battle of last words.
And lastly, because I'm getting tired of this lame discourse, I have more important things to do than to defend my work against someone I don't know...
It's too bad you're such a smug snot. I think I would probably like you very much and get along with you grandly otherwise.
HerOdyssey 3 years ago
Actually, I do think very highly of my opinion in this subject...my first and second degrees are in textile conservation and for the bulk of my professional life I have conserved restored and recreated historical garments for collections around the world. I have changed course for my PhD to work on music for historical dance, and I am just as fanatical about accuracy in that too. I am really sorry that criticism upsets you so.
aramintagamba 3 years ago
I was wondering how long it would take you to list your credentials.
Good for you. You do us all a service by preserving lovely historic garments. I live to see images of those lovely items.
However, you might want to look into the disinction between being critical and being patronizing. Especially over a subject of very broad interpretation. Maybe others would 'think highly' of your opinion too if you delivered it in a less condescending manner. Just a suggestion, of course.
HerOdyssey 3 years ago 3
I made a bonnet pattern that can easily be made by people who are not milliners or professional costumers; a bonnet that will look appropriate with their Sense & Sensibility Pattern gown and spencer, and that will satisfy their desire to look the part. The bonnet looks fabulous. Even better as the high-angle version, it's showy and splendid. And as long as *they're* happy, then so am I. ;)
HerOdyssey 3 years ago
So why didn't you just accept Timestep's compliment on your work and acknowledge that your design isn't actually to an authentic pattern, but a generic, which is what Timestep implied
aramintagamba 3 years ago
I'm not going to 'acknowledge' something I don't believe, my dear.
There is no such thing as 'authentic' when there was no such thing as mass-produced clothing and accessories. Everything that was HAND made during that time was 'generic' to meet fashion standards of the period, and there were MANY variations. I see a lot of people poo-pooing patterns by various people for lack of 'authenticity' and frankly, that's arrogant claptrappery to insist otherwise.
HerOdyssey 3 years ago
well, enjoy your fantasies... for some of us, the study of aspects of the past include accuracy, and if suggesting it is arrogant, then call me arrogant.
aramintagamba 3 years ago
Oh, get off your high horse.
HerOdyssey 3 years ago
I see, you are just rude on principle...it wasn't specially for Timestep's benefit.
aramintagamba 3 years ago
Oh, I'm rude? LOL.. that's a laugh. "well, enjoy your fantasies..." And what's that? Fluffy kindness? Please. You think very highly of your own opinion obviously. You've 'studied' 0.00000000098% of every hand-created garment ever made during a twenty-year period, and you think yourself qualified to knock down the hard work of others? Get over yourself. Really. Leave Timestep out of this. Her opinion only serves as a means to propagate your own.
HerOdyssey 3 years ago
Nicely done, but the crown is a little high for Regency.. much more 18 25-30.. but still nicely done!
timestep24 3 years ago
Nonsense. The period fashion plates show a wide range of crown heights; some ridiculously large, others more proportionate. I think there was as much variation to their bonnets and styles as there are creative people.
HerOdyssey 3 years ago
Actually, timestep is quite right... Yes, there is variety but the higher crown styles are later in the period, and by the time it gets into the sort of height you are working with, the Regency is well and truly over. If you are taking the period 1811 to 22, bobbet-wise things tend to get wide before they go up, and the taller hats tend to be either Sheiko pattern, or with full brims
Araminta
aramintagamba 3 years ago
Well, Paris certainly had taller crowns than London, but the shape is usually squarer, and the brim is more 'shell shaped'.. that is, if we are actually talking about the Regency rather than a generic 'late Hanovarian', but if one looks at Malesherbes or Alésia, the figures are so stylistically drawn that I don't believe on can use them as gospel. London-wise, the smaller,neater shape typifies the earlier years of the period, becoming a shorthand for dowdy c. 1815, (cont
timestep24 3 years ago
when the more militaristic shapes dominate, then towards then end of the 18 teens, a more homogenous shape with brim and crown more contiguous. The high, slightly conical shape only appears post 1825 when the style for plaited looks on top of the head becomes more popular, but then the crown is more vertical to the head.
timestep24 3 years ago
Frankly ladies, as much as I worked to create a pattern based on images, I also created a pattern that was easily workable in Buckram. I disposed of flares at the top of the crown, or curlson the brim--and it is a pattern that looks very regency; whether or not it meets the exacting standards of people who demand accuracy down to the button. The truth is, people made their own clothes, and so in my mind, there is no exact standard, simply a 'look'. I won't quibble over the little stuff.
HerOdyssey 3 years ago
So in actuality, your pattern is not a regency bonnet but a costume creation along the lines of...
aramintagamba 3 years ago
I love your work is there any way you can make a more detail video of hat making?
Hatattitude 3 years ago
However it is inspired by fashion plate images and a couple of extant bonnets at the MFA Boston... it's not exact, but it's close enough.
HerOdyssey 3 years ago