@rolfeder Yes, believe you might be correct regarding the charismatic seeing 'divine eye' opening to the 'deathless;' however, stream entry is defined as only the second jhana; whereas I have found the various charisms arise around the 3rd jhana, thus by the time one has come to charismatic seeing one is most probably a once returner, or arahat
I love your redefinition of 'Manomaya' as an OOBE (a rather far stretch from the real definition of the word) and writing of the wikipedia article to reflect this 'fact.'
@limpviscid the wiki article on the Pali term 'Manomaya' does not seem to reflect how it is described in the suttas. I would suggest that you read the Samaññaphala Sutta (DN-2), where it is defined clearly as an OOBE
@Jhananda Yeah reading analysis of what a "Mind-made Body" means, it does appear to directly resemble out-of-body experiences, though only you are make the direct relationship.
@dharmasack I have 5 different translations of the Samaññaphala Sutta (DN-2) on my website, the Great Western Vehicle. I am not impressed with any of them, so I have translated the significant portions myself.
The divine eye opens to the deathless. At that point, one is a stream winner.
rolfeder 1 year ago
@rolfeder Yes, believe you might be correct regarding the charismatic seeing 'divine eye' opening to the 'deathless;' however, stream entry is defined as only the second jhana; whereas I have found the various charisms arise around the 3rd jhana, thus by the time one has come to charismatic seeing one is most probably a once returner, or arahat
Jhananda 1 year ago
I love your redefinition of 'Manomaya' as an OOBE (a rather far stretch from the real definition of the word) and writing of the wikipedia article to reflect this 'fact.'
limpviscid 1 year ago
@limpviscid the wiki article on the Pali term 'Manomaya' does not seem to reflect how it is described in the suttas. I would suggest that you read the Samaññaphala Sutta (DN-2), where it is defined clearly as an OOBE
Jhananda 1 year ago
@Jhananda Yeah reading analysis of what a "Mind-made Body" means, it does appear to directly resemble out-of-body experiences, though only you are make the direct relationship.
limpviscid 1 year ago
@limpviscid thank-you for checking your sources. doing so means you and more people will be informed regarding what the Buddha taught
Jhananda 1 year ago
Just for reference, which translation of the Samaññaphala Sutta would you recommend?
dharmasack 1 year ago
@dharmasack I have 5 different translations of the Samaññaphala Sutta (DN-2) on my website, the Great Western Vehicle. I am not impressed with any of them, so I have translated the significant portions myself.
Jhananda 1 year ago