I imagine his audience would have had the same reaction were the room empty. It seems as if the viewers were reacting to a "lack of" art. This artist seems to have failed to connect with his audience, or convey any sort of emotion. I would consider this an unsuccessful series. I would have liked to see some artist statements.
as an artist who appreciates abstract art, I have to honestly say I think many of those (supposed) forms of art, show a contempt for the viewers, that says look what I'm getting away with & buy this skat you lemmings.. most would say it is an act of laziness or a con for easy money, but the act of mounting and setting up such designs actually takes more work than it does to just sit down and paint a proper picture. For me esthetics, talent, and ability in art is everything in artwork.
booo... this kind of stuff is never art to me. its a mind fuck and its unfortunate that guys like Ryman can sell this non-art for many thousands of dollars.
@RichardWhereat Creating art is not a job. There is no specific guidlines for art unless the job you chose requires you to follow some. Beauty is completely based on you perception of it, and meaning behind something varies widely depending on who is viewing or creating the artwork. If someone wants to create a minimalistic work, then they're not going to be "fired" from being able to create anything ever again. A story is art, architecture can be art, The Elliot Room has art in it.
@RichardWhereat Creating art is not a job. There is no specific guidlines for art unless the job you chose requires you to follow some. Beauty is completely based on you perception of it, and meaning behind something varies widely depending on who is viewing or creating the artwork. If someone wants to create a minimalistic work, then they're not going to be "fired" from being able to create anything ever again. A story is art, architecture can be art, The Elliot Room has art in it.
@RichardWhereat It's only an essay when written down because it encompasses so much, but when you think about it in your mind its actually very simple.
@RichardWhereat I don't know, could you do starry night? It doesn't really matter how simplistic it is, in fact its the simple things in life that tend to have the most meaning.
The appreciation of this artwork comes from being able to appreciate life itself. Think about it. They're all the same, blank canvases hung around the room, but each is different in its own way and each possesses subtle differences that make then unique. Yet even though they already have these qualities, within each lies infinite possibilities for what could be on them. They have an opportunity to become more than they are, and each possesses this opportunity equally while still being different.
@waterwitch456 Also, what makes observing the crowds reaction to this art so facinating is that it shows how we act in most situations. We hardly find time to stop and appreciate the detail of things, giving little to no thought into what isn't superficially obvious.
I laughed my ass off when you said it was "one of the most fascinating works of art I have ever seen", then showed nothing but white squares. And you probably paid money to go look at white squares. How fucking hilarious! Oh, and when you said he "explores a vast range of possibilities," I nearly died from laughter. Oh god I can't stop laughing.
The only thing to appreciate about this work is the fact that Ryman managed to sell this tripe to someone.
People watching is a different subject. You effectively spent time seeing how people react to entering a room in a art gallery that for all intensive purposes looks devoid of art.
My stand on the "What is art?" question is this. If you need to have taken a class in art appreciation to see something as art then it is NOT art.
Art conveys a point of view, if I need someone to tell me what that point of view is than that means that the piece has failed to communicate it makers point of view and therefore fails as art.
Art appreciation classes teach you to accept everything as art so that you do not look like you don't understand. It's actually pretty said because art should expand the mind not make you conform in order to not be seen as "dated".
@chrisose Art appreciation classes just help you understand the world and art in the same way the artist did (or does). Artists always react to the world and to other art in some way, so a "speed course" in what they are reacting to can help you appreciate their reaction. But I agree that it's very important that other, "uneducated" opinions on the work should be equally valid
Art appreciation is the justification for filling galleries with blank canvases, broken chairs, wads of paper or any of the other displays that have no meaning to anyone who has not been told what to think about it.
@chrisose You say that, but I don't agree that's true. It definitely has meaning to the artist, and it might give great insight and/or emotion to someone who can find that meaning. It has for me. In any case, what you're saying might as well be true for any other style of art. The only difference is that we are more accustomed to "think about" more figurative, conventional art.
@chrisose or you arrive at the interpretation through the art itself and your own knowledge. just because something seems incomprehensible to you you can not assume that it means nothing. you are not the arbitrator by which it is decided whether or not something makes sense. you have to always acknowledge that maybe you just don't get it for whatever reason
Sure it means something, lots of money for the artist beyond that it has little meaning.
As I said, art is about point of view and this work absolutely fails to communicate a point of view. It requires some 'learned' soul who has spent money to be schooled in the "art frame of mind" to inform the world what that blank canvas means. That is not art, it is a con.
@chrisose people other than you can sure understand it, why do you think people even display this art? you dont need schooling to understand this art, you need a brain, and you need the want to think critically.
You are right. You do not need schooling the understand this 'art' because there is nothing to understand. There is more meaning in a random pile of trash.
You can tell yourself all you what that there is some meaning and that it provides you with a deep emotional response but I suspect that is more about you not wanting to look like an outsider to the other art geeks than it does with any actual conveyance of the works.
Yep, those who spend most of their time trying to convince others that they 'understand' more about art than the next person, all in a fruitless attempt to be top geek and someday have people drooling over a work that they have deemed worthy. Just like has happened with "The Elliott Room".
@chrisose "the other art geeks". this is the sentiment of an artist who distances themselves from what they either cannot, or refuse, to understand. so what if you dont get it. move on to something you do get. do not mock this artist for their integrity to their art.
Integrity? Hardly. He found a hook that the 'art community' will buy so he sticks with it and laughs all the way to the bank.
From Chicago Art Magazine:
"The Elliot Room (Charter Series) (1985-87) by Robert Ryman at the Art Institute of Chicago is a testament to a belief in truth and transparency in the field of painting."
The review goes for 2 more paragraphs 'explaining' the work.
The truth is that are empty white spaces nearly indiscernible from the walls which support them.
@chrisose Which is fine, as long as you do so with regard to yourself. If other people consider this to be art, and actually appreciate and enjoy it, you need to deal with that.
Since I am not a tenured member of the art elite I have no say over what is displayed as art for anyone but myself. If you choose to buy the idea that unimaginative blank spaces are art then have fun standing in empty rooms. I will continue to see art and artistry well away from the ivory towers of the museum setting where you are expected to consider it art just because it is there, just because someone said it is.
@chrisose You're fully entitled to look for art in places other than modern art museums, but I resent the fact that you're calling people who do visit these museums (like me) idiots. I don't consider myself a "tenured member of the art elite", but that's not even the point. "Unimaginative" is subjective. And I certainly don't appreciate art because someone told me to. There's much art I don't like, but I don't get angry at it, because I realize other people do enjoy it
I do not recall calling you an idiot, a follower maybe but not an idiot.
You may not allow others to tell you what art to appreciate BUT you do automatically accept anything in a museum setting as art. This is where we differ greatly. I do not let others tell me what to accept as art.
A can of shit just sold for nearly a 1/4 million dollars because it was called art. Sorry but a can of shit is just that, a can of shit, no matter how you label it.
@chrisose It would be quite arrogant to think that your taste is more "independant" and mine is indoctrinated, because the fact is, we are all influenced by the world around is to an immense degree. I firmly believe we have very little control over our preferences in art, as in many other things. Your taste is obviously greatly determined by the type of painting that you practice yourself, and hence see very often. I dare say you are at least as influenced by your art teacher as I am by anyone
@chrisose As for the can of shit: I absolutely hate that piece. With some effort, I can begin to see some meaning, but I don't enjoy it, I think it's terrible. But you know, I'm a musician, and too often have people told me I should change my musical style, because they genuinely could not believe that I make the kind of music that I enjoy and often listen to. I object to calling artists phoneys and con men, because I've been on the other side of it, and at least in my case, I know it's not true
@chrisose You're fully entitled to look for art in places other than modern art museums, but I resent the fact that you're calling people who do visit these museums (like me) idiots. I don't consider myself a "tenured member of the art elite", but that's not even the point. "Unimaginative" is subjective. And I certainly don't appreciate art because someone told me to. There's much art I don't like, but I don't get angry at it, because I realize other people do enjoy it
@chrisose You're fully entitled to look for art in places other than modern art museums, but I resent the fact that you're calling people who do visit these museums (like me) idiots. I don't consider myself a "tenured member of the art elite", but that's not even the point. "Unimaginative" is subjective. And I certainly don't appreciate art because someone told me to. There's much art I don't like, but I don't get angry at it, because I realize other people do enjoy it
@chrisose By the way, you should never be talked into having to appreciate art that you don't like. But there's no need to play victim, if you don't like abstract art such as this, there is plenty of more figurative art, old as well as contemporary, on display in may different places. Just go to those places. I, in the meantime, will genuinely enjoy standing in the odd almost-empty room, and we'll both be happy. Why make such a fuss?
Again, I can more than appreciate art of all kinds but the question being who determines that something is art and why should we take their word that it is?
I've actually seen a blank wall presented as art. There were people gathered around praising the 'expressiveness' and 'turmoil' shown in the work. There was no work, it was a blank wall just like billions upon billions of other blank walls in the world.
This type of work is not 'abstract art' it is 'absent art'.
@chrisose Nobody decides what is or isn't art. Or rather, everyone does. If a group of people has a certain vision and preference about art, then that's a reality. You can say they're wrong, and they will say you are, but it's worth a little effort to rise above that and respect that you just have different tastes, even if you don't understand each other's taste. Other than that, you don't have to listen to a word they say.
@chrisose Do art snobs exist? Sure. I dislike them very much. But that doesn't mean there isn't any value to the work itself. It's the snobs fault for failing to appreciate that there is more to art than that appropriate school. But you are making the same mistake. I understand your reaction to them, but being an anti-snob isn't that much better. As for the money, I admit I'm not really interested or impressed by that. It has more to do with capitalist culture than with the art itself, anyway
@chrisose In that case a painting is just a canvas with some colors on it. Artistic value (for many people) lies in what an artwork evokes, and that is possible no matter how much or how little information is present in the object itself. Is there a line between "enough" colors and form and not enough, for it to be art? Such a line is highly subjective to say the least.
I feel the same about the painter who's entire career has been taking crayons and markers of all colors and making broad scribbles on the media until it is completely covered. It has as much meaning as the static on a TV screen and yet the art community and collectors go crazy for his "art". I've seen 2 year old's put more thought and meaning into their finger painting.
@chrisose Well then, same question, when is there "too much information" on a canvas? And you shouldn't assume that the artist has put little thought and meaning in such a work. This is only how you experience it. To some people, children's paintings and TV static can be very beautiful. For instance, I think Pollock is absolutely amazing, no matter how much you tell me I'm wrong. And I didn't even take a class about him
I speak for the vast majority of people and art majors. Fuck abstract minimalist art and the people who make it. The only thing it does is convince the pseudo-intellectual of worth that does not exist.
Seriously, I cannot stress this enough, abstract art is for smelly cunts. This arrangement of words is more artistic than that garbage, the lettering and spacing clearly demonstrates care and appreciation for nature and order.
@snipzor Could not agree more. I am good friends who is currently doing a degree in fine art, which he is now regretting. He said to me "Y'know that stereotype that fine art is a lot of wank? That you do something stupid and then come up with a bullshit so-called intelligent reason for what it means, and suddenly it makes it art? Well, that stereotype is the harsh truth".
He told me that he went into fine art wanting to learn how to create, but instead it's nothing but a bullshitting contest.
@snipzor It's odd that you would say abstract art has no appreciation for nature and order. First of all because there are so many different kinds of abstract art, some of which is certainly technically difficult (which seems to be very a very important criterium for art to some people), secondly because much abstract art is interested only in nature and order, seeing as it has no direct reference to the physical world, so no politics or symbolism
Why can't people just say they don't like something? Why must they say people are "stupid" for enjoying something they don't. Don't they see that's just as bad as saying someone is stupid for not enjoying (or "getting", as some would put it) a work of art. If anyone think that all modern art is a scam, and nobody genuinely appreciates it, they're wrong. Apart from that, feel free to hate, just don't try to convince everyone else they should do the same.
They left because there is a man that looks like a female that sounds like a man talking about gay ass squares with lines calling it art. FRUUUUUIT CAKE!
I agree with most of you video's but as someone who has been to the Smithsonian Museum of Modern Art and several other "modern art" museums, I find this type of "art" absolute bullshit. I have tremendous respect for talented artist, and more I'm tremendously envious of those with that ability. But this kind of crap that takes absolutely no skill is just junk being sold by a smooth talking huckster. Stupid people are being told this is art, and conned into paying big bucks for it.
To even consider this effortless and mindless pieace of hardware store accessory art is stupidity in itself.
This conceptual( or rather concepualless) peace of "art" just goes to show how arrogant these con artists are... To think that you can hang a couple of peaces of metal randomly and then make 2000 word conceptual description of the thing and call it art is an insult to any intelligence...
It is sad that modern art has deteriorated to this primitive state...
@OsobliwyKlecha Well said. I think ZJ is crediting the artist too much here, but if she wants to buy a print of the art, Staples sells 500 copies under the title "ream of paper" for very reasonable pric... (what am I doing!)... I mean I have a print of the artist's work I will sell for just $1,000. (almost missed an opportunity there! :D)
What ZJ appears to have appreciated is the guile or audacity of the artist, and not the art itself. Video is mistitled. :P
@OrthodoxAtheist At least its realtively cheap :] But the guile of this artist seems to me more like gulibility, effort put in the concept of shocking the audience in this perticular case is to say it lightly weak... Its hard to defend it on the grounds of artistic creativity because its just not that creative, not to mention its essteticaly poor.
@bobMAN17988 He's not straight, he says he came out as gay to his family in one of his videos. This is what confuses me tho. Is he a lesbian she or does he have a girlfriend that dresses like a guy?
@RussianAssassin21 I would assume that in public he identifies as a female, and he and his partner identify as a lesbian couple, therefor explaining why he referred to his partner as a female. of course, i'm just making a guess based on what i already know, which is pretty much nothing.
There are countless ordinary objects that can be exalted & appreciated on some level—a mere string, a big rusty bolt, a squiggly line, a 12-foot "painting" in a single solid color. The problem is when we try to pass these off as equal to art that requires real skill. BUT I realize that just as some people "don't get" what I like, stuff *I* don't get may be genuinely appreciated by others. Can't make self the decider for all. Still, it does seem that at some point an "Oh PEASE!" is justified.
I would be impressed if this work somehow reached into people and evoked something special, something hard to put a finger on, something deep in our emotions, some expression of something we feel but eludes words. But I am unimpressed because this art cannot and does does not evoke any of that. It merely evokes ordinary, uninspired reactions toward apparent pretension and arrogance—which is easily put into words, as evident from the Comments here. The work is pedestrian masquerading as esoteric.
Hi Zinia, I recommend a visit to the Tate Modern if you ever visit London. Aside from the large and interesting collection, it's an amazing space, and its location means there are spectacular views from it.
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Love your videos man but I definitely don't share your appreciation for art like that. Call me old fashioned but I like art that not only conveys emotion but also displays the virtuosity of the artist. Yeah I understand what's going on with that guys work, I read the info in the link you provided, an still I look at that art and all I can muster is "meh". If you really want to laugh at peoples reactions to art like this check out the piece titled "4:33" by composer John Cage.
I agree that conveying emotion is important but display virtuosity is not important at all. I'm a musician and a composer, so I'll use my chosen medium as an example. The virtuosity of a musician is only there for only one purpose: to properly execute any and all ideas which are conveyed to him. Technical limits should be pushed back as far as possible, but to push them as much as possible in performance just sounds like musical masturbation to me (*cough* Dream Theater *cough*).
I have seen better artistic design in my Chex Mix BOLD Party Blend snax mix, but have had internal reservations (visceral,and otherwise) since the G M/F F A brouhaha began...; )
The exhibition you're describing sounds less like the effect of the artist (whose art is, in my opinion, somewhat mediocre) and more like the work of the curator who probably created the gallery for this work knowing that the arrangement, lighting, and visual context would add more to the work. Curators really don't get enough credit for the work they do.
Nothing like unearned feelings of superiority over 'lesser' people, huh?
I'd personally would sit in the same place as you, watching in incredulity at the pretentious contemplating 'art' and pretending to understand some deeper meaning.
I've experienced awe in the face of true beauty, passion and expertise. The people that call this art make me wonder if it is a rare gift I posses.
Wow, can't believe I disagree with ZinniaJones on something, but here goes. If the observation of the audience's varied reactions was the intention of the artist, then it was a successful piece. It's a cop out, but it's successful. If it's just: Ha ha, those stupid people just don;t get my work" - referring the wall pieces themselves - Then it's just a bunch of talentless shit. In other words, if it's not the artist's intent, then it's not successful art.
I don't get it.. how can you have a girl friend.. when you are clearly gay? Are you trying to be a woman so you can be a lesbian?? That's just freaking retarded. Why don't you be yourself (a man) and date a girl? Lol. Yous guys are crazy in the head XD
Also, I don't get why people are calling these blank canvases. I can clearly see lines and composition on them. Maybe it's because the details are so sparse that it's hard to actually see them unless you're a foot away from them.
A little help for the folks who can't understand modern art: I'm an art teacher, and it can be hard explaining modern art. Try this: Grab some paper, a box of crayons, and turn on some music. Draw what you feel from the music without using any recognizable objects or words; just line, shape and color. That is what artists like this are often attempting to do; convey a feeling without distracting you with objects that may have some other kind of meaning for you.
@FancyPocketWatch I guess you're not familiar with the LookingForGroup webcomic. In one of the pages, Richard the Undead Warlock is transported to an alternate dimension that's just an endless void of plain white. Richard then dubs this dimension the 'Plane of Suck,' due to the fact that it's incredibly boring and it sucks to be stuck there.
This is art the same way the ambient noise of the city, or wing though the trees is music.
The reactions of indifference, discus, and disinterest, that you said the audience show pretty sums up the breadth of peoples reaction to dog crap on the street.
If you really want to see a piece elicit reactions from the audience go to a movie and watch the crowd instead of the screen. In the dark people feel safe empathizing with the story and are visibly emotionally involved for an hour plus.
I am sorry but this stuff really bothers me. I work my fucking ASS off, doing life drawing every week, studying anatomy and how the human skeleton works, how muscles move. I spend my free time drawing people walking past on the street, understanding the movement to try and make my drawings believable. Then there are pieces of this modern art like this, and then people think I'm uncultured and ignorant because I "don't get it"? Art is subjective, and my opinion is this is bullshit.
@NikiPaprika wow, what an ignorant comment. being able to draw the human body doesn´t have to make it art and if you think this art is bullshit, well that really is just your opinion
@SmileLyubov Exactly, that's MY opinion. I am, however, not ignorant of art. I may have negative feelings, but I'm certainly not ignorant. My frustration isn't about this not being a human body, my frustration is my life is nothing but art, but some person draws or does something "abstract" and suddenly they're in galleries and getting offered vast amounts of money to do it again? Fuck that.
@finerbiner That is your opinion, though it's strange you make such an opinion without even seeing my art. And a "whiny hater"? I'm paying money to be educated in art at a university level! An animation degree, more specifically, which requires a fuck load more skill than this "post modern" drivel.
But considering you admitted yourself to be ignorant about most things artistic, I doubt that this will be understood.
@NikiPaprika Of course I was expressing my opinion. Just like you were.
Your attitude informs your art. Your jealously, lack of perspective and immaturity are what I base my opinion of your creations on. Work on these things. No one will ever care that you can draw a torso well..
Lastly, coal miners work their ass off. You spend the day drawing. Whiner!
@finerbiner I am not jealous. I am jealous of artists, but they are people I admire, the people I look up to and am inspired by. This isn't jealousy or immaturity, I'm expressing my negative feelings about this type of art.
Animation and coal mining are completely separate jobs altogether, requiring entirely different skills. Animators have to constantly work hard to achieve the skills required for said profession. You haven't the slightest clue, so I don't know why you're calling me immature.
@finerbiner Oh, and "No one will ever care that you can draw a torso well.." I'm pretty sure my life drawing teachers and animation lecturers will have several things to say to you on that matter. The thing with animation is that it IS objective. There is right and wrong. That's what makes it such a difficult art form. There is absolutely NO bullshitting around. You HAVE to do things correctly. And it means working your ass off at it every single day.
so majority of people are ignorant and less educated than the elite, nothing new there. What bothers me is that an evolved reasonable person as you seam to be would finds ''hilarious'' in the fact that these people are incapable to appreciate those paintings. Frankly I find that a bit cruel. If we care about our character we should try to enlighten the ignorant not make fun of them, we should not make fun of anybody actually, we should have empathy and pity on those who are not fortunate.
Person1: "Oh no! I ran out of time and couldn't come up with a single painting!" (reads The Emperor's New Clothes and gets an Idea) Next day= Person2: What is this?! -Person1: Uh... It's art! Only smart people can understand it's meaning. Surely a man as intelligent as yourself has already figured it out! -Person2: Why yes... Ofcourse I have! Great job!
I suppose if i made my comments exclusively for you then i would give a shit but sadly I don't. The people that were smart enough to get it got it. Whether or not they found it funny is their SUBJECTIVE opinion. You clearly are missing plenty.
MALEVICH DID IT FIRST
Ahksmar 1 month ago
It sounds like you went to see Barnum's "Egress".
Bastmosis 2 months ago in playlist Uploaded videos
Why the hell does he drag out the last word in all of his sentences.
Terstanl3 2 months ago in playlist Uploaded videos
RAINBOW DASH SHIRT! <3
i am in love with you now D:<
lol, naw, but seriously, that's awesome.
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BRONY!!!
WilbertVereAwdry 5 months ago 2
Are you being sarcastic about calling a few straight lines on an otherwise blank canvas the most 'fascinating' works of art youve every seen?
1982mockingbird1982 5 months ago
haha, where can i get a rainbow dash shirt?
1ockedand1oaded 5 months ago in playlist More videos from ZJemptv
@1ockedand1oaded Why not just google it instead of being lazy?
ManicRaider 5 months ago
I imagine his audience would have had the same reaction were the room empty. It seems as if the viewers were reacting to a "lack of" art. This artist seems to have failed to connect with his audience, or convey any sort of emotion. I would consider this an unsuccessful series. I would have liked to see some artist statements.
tl;dr The Emperor Has No Clothes.
StudioManic 5 months ago
wait.. his girlfriend ??! i thought he was gay
*head explodes*
prissweb 5 months ago
@prissweb
... Lesbian.
And don't ask, it's undisclosed.
1ockedand1oaded 5 months ago in playlist More videos from ZJemptv
@1ockedand1oaded
MY HEAD , IT HURTS SO MUCH. OH GOD.
he is like a living contradiction. WTF'S IS GOING ON. DID SOMEONE POUR SOME SUGAR INTO HIS ASS ?!
prissweb 5 months ago
a child cries out, "But he isn't wearing anything at all!"
hoverskate 6 months ago
as an artist who appreciates abstract art, I have to honestly say I think many of those (supposed) forms of art, show a contempt for the viewers, that says look what I'm getting away with & buy this skat you lemmings.. most would say it is an act of laziness or a con for easy money, but the act of mounting and setting up such designs actually takes more work than it does to just sit down and paint a proper picture. For me esthetics, talent, and ability in art is everything in artwork.
AfterFauve001 6 months ago
Dude you look like an extremely attractive woman though I know of your XY Chromosome. Eh, I'm a guy and not homophobic; but fuck you look attractive.
TuWear 6 months ago
@TuWear Quote ("but fuck you look attractive.") ...ummmmm
I'm sorry but does this make me a troll or just immature for noticing and pointing this out with regards to the context of your comment?
Ravinar 6 months ago
booo... this kind of stuff is never art to me. its a mind fuck and its unfortunate that guys like Ryman can sell this non-art for many thousands of dollars.
RedroomStudios 6 months ago
It is not the artists job to create meaning. The artists job is to create beautiful things.
RichardWhereat 6 months ago
@RichardWhereat Creating art is not a job. There is no specific guidlines for art unless the job you chose requires you to follow some. Beauty is completely based on you perception of it, and meaning behind something varies widely depending on who is viewing or creating the artwork. If someone wants to create a minimalistic work, then they're not going to be "fired" from being able to create anything ever again. A story is art, architecture can be art, The Elliot Room has art in it.
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@RichardWhereat Creating art is not a job. There is no specific guidlines for art unless the job you chose requires you to follow some. Beauty is completely based on you perception of it, and meaning behind something varies widely depending on who is viewing or creating the artwork. If someone wants to create a minimalistic work, then they're not going to be "fired" from being able to create anything ever again. A story is art, architecture can be art, The Elliot Room has art in it.
TehZorzGuy 6 months ago
uh, ZJ just got 20% cooler...
if you get it, you're amazing.
boomer757 6 months ago
who caught rainbow dash? :3
akemitsukino 6 months ago
lol at the top comments. Missing the point much?
chapstichiko 6 months ago
@chapstichiko The point is Rainbow Dash. Right?
breakfastisgo 6 months ago
I took a shit in a toilet earlier, named it "Theism". Could I have my millions now?
Art doesn't need an essay to explain it. If it does, it's not art.
RichardWhereat 6 months ago
@RichardWhereat It's only an essay when written down because it encompasses so much, but when you think about it in your mind its actually very simple.
waterwitch456 6 months ago
@waterwitch456 So simple a retarded child could do it.
Could a retarded child do Starry Night?
RichardWhereat 6 months ago
@RichardWhereat I don't know, could you do starry night? It doesn't really matter how simplistic it is, in fact its the simple things in life that tend to have the most meaning.
waterwitch456 6 months ago
The appreciation of this artwork comes from being able to appreciate life itself. Think about it. They're all the same, blank canvases hung around the room, but each is different in its own way and each possesses subtle differences that make then unique. Yet even though they already have these qualities, within each lies infinite possibilities for what could be on them. They have an opportunity to become more than they are, and each possesses this opportunity equally while still being different.
waterwitch456 6 months ago
@waterwitch456 Cont. Understand now?
waterwitch456 6 months ago 3
@waterwitch456 Also, what makes observing the crowds reaction to this art so facinating is that it shows how we act in most situations. We hardly find time to stop and appreciate the detail of things, giving little to no thought into what isn't superficially obvious.
waterwitch456 6 months ago 12
I laughed my ass off when you said it was "one of the most fascinating works of art I have ever seen", then showed nothing but white squares. And you probably paid money to go look at white squares. How fucking hilarious! Oh, and when you said he "explores a vast range of possibilities," I nearly died from laughter. Oh god I can't stop laughing.
aintnohollabackgrrl 6 months ago
The only thing to appreciate about this work is the fact that Ryman managed to sell this tripe to someone.
People watching is a different subject. You effectively spent time seeing how people react to entering a room in a art gallery that for all intensive purposes looks devoid of art.
My stand on the "What is art?" question is this. If you need to have taken a class in art appreciation to see something as art then it is NOT art.
chrisose 6 months ago
@chrisose or you are dumb and hold on to dated and arbitrary restrictions on what subject matter art can or can not deal with
kierkexauss 6 months ago
@kierkexauss
Art conveys a point of view, if I need someone to tell me what that point of view is than that means that the piece has failed to communicate it makers point of view and therefore fails as art.
Art appreciation classes teach you to accept everything as art so that you do not look like you don't understand. It's actually pretty said because art should expand the mind not make you conform in order to not be seen as "dated".
chrisose 6 months ago
@chrisose Art appreciation classes just help you understand the world and art in the same way the artist did (or does). Artists always react to the world and to other art in some way, so a "speed course" in what they are reacting to can help you appreciate their reaction. But I agree that it's very important that other, "uneducated" opinions on the work should be equally valid
DiabolicBadger 6 months ago
@DiabolicBadger
Art appreciation is the justification for filling galleries with blank canvases, broken chairs, wads of paper or any of the other displays that have no meaning to anyone who has not been told what to think about it.
chrisose 6 months ago
@chrisose You say that, but I don't agree that's true. It definitely has meaning to the artist, and it might give great insight and/or emotion to someone who can find that meaning. It has for me. In any case, what you're saying might as well be true for any other style of art. The only difference is that we are more accustomed to "think about" more figurative, conventional art.
DiabolicBadger 6 months ago
@chrisose or you arrive at the interpretation through the art itself and your own knowledge. just because something seems incomprehensible to you you can not assume that it means nothing. you are not the arbitrator by which it is decided whether or not something makes sense. you have to always acknowledge that maybe you just don't get it for whatever reason
kierkexauss 6 months ago
@kierkexauss
Sure it means something, lots of money for the artist beyond that it has little meaning.
As I said, art is about point of view and this work absolutely fails to communicate a point of view. It requires some 'learned' soul who has spent money to be schooled in the "art frame of mind" to inform the world what that blank canvas means. That is not art, it is a con.
chrisose 6 months ago
@chrisose people other than you can sure understand it, why do you think people even display this art? you dont need schooling to understand this art, you need a brain, and you need the want to think critically.
kierkexauss 6 months ago
@kierkexauss
You are right. You do not need schooling the understand this 'art' because there is nothing to understand. There is more meaning in a random pile of trash.
You can tell yourself all you what that there is some meaning and that it provides you with a deep emotional response but I suspect that is more about you not wanting to look like an outsider to the other art geeks than it does with any actual conveyance of the works.
chrisose 6 months ago
@chrisose and now we see it come to the surface. "the other art geeks".
kierkexauss 6 months ago
@kierkexauss
Yep, those who spend most of their time trying to convince others that they 'understand' more about art than the next person, all in a fruitless attempt to be top geek and someday have people drooling over a work that they have deemed worthy. Just like has happened with "The Elliott Room".
chrisose 6 months ago
@chrisose "the other art geeks". this is the sentiment of an artist who distances themselves from what they either cannot, or refuse, to understand. so what if you dont get it. move on to something you do get. do not mock this artist for their integrity to their art.
kierkexauss 6 months ago
@kierkexauss
Integrity? Hardly. He found a hook that the 'art community' will buy so he sticks with it and laughs all the way to the bank.
From Chicago Art Magazine:
"The Elliot Room (Charter Series) (1985-87) by Robert Ryman at the Art Institute of Chicago is a testament to a belief in truth and transparency in the field of painting."
The review goes for 2 more paragraphs 'explaining' the work.
The truth is that are empty white spaces nearly indiscernible from the walls which support them.
chrisose 6 months ago
@chrisose You're just as bad as what you're criticizing. You're telling other people which art they should like and which they shouldn't.
DiabolicBadger 6 months ago
@DiabolicBadger
Actually I am questioning the action of calling this type of display art.
chrisose 6 months ago
@chrisose Which is fine, as long as you do so with regard to yourself. If other people consider this to be art, and actually appreciate and enjoy it, you need to deal with that.
DiabolicBadger 6 months ago
@DiabolicBadger
Since I am not a tenured member of the art elite I have no say over what is displayed as art for anyone but myself. If you choose to buy the idea that unimaginative blank spaces are art then have fun standing in empty rooms. I will continue to see art and artistry well away from the ivory towers of the museum setting where you are expected to consider it art just because it is there, just because someone said it is.
chrisose 6 months ago
@chrisose You're fully entitled to look for art in places other than modern art museums, but I resent the fact that you're calling people who do visit these museums (like me) idiots. I don't consider myself a "tenured member of the art elite", but that's not even the point. "Unimaginative" is subjective. And I certainly don't appreciate art because someone told me to. There's much art I don't like, but I don't get angry at it, because I realize other people do enjoy it
DiabolicBadger 6 months ago
@DiabolicBadger
I do not recall calling you an idiot, a follower maybe but not an idiot.
You may not allow others to tell you what art to appreciate BUT you do automatically accept anything in a museum setting as art. This is where we differ greatly. I do not let others tell me what to accept as art.
A can of shit just sold for nearly a 1/4 million dollars because it was called art. Sorry but a can of shit is just that, a can of shit, no matter how you label it.
chrisose 6 months ago
@chrisose It would be quite arrogant to think that your taste is more "independant" and mine is indoctrinated, because the fact is, we are all influenced by the world around is to an immense degree. I firmly believe we have very little control over our preferences in art, as in many other things. Your taste is obviously greatly determined by the type of painting that you practice yourself, and hence see very often. I dare say you are at least as influenced by your art teacher as I am by anyone
DiabolicBadger 6 months ago
@chrisose As for the can of shit: I absolutely hate that piece. With some effort, I can begin to see some meaning, but I don't enjoy it, I think it's terrible. But you know, I'm a musician, and too often have people told me I should change my musical style, because they genuinely could not believe that I make the kind of music that I enjoy and often listen to. I object to calling artists phoneys and con men, because I've been on the other side of it, and at least in my case, I know it's not true
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@chrisose You're fully entitled to look for art in places other than modern art museums, but I resent the fact that you're calling people who do visit these museums (like me) idiots. I don't consider myself a "tenured member of the art elite", but that's not even the point. "Unimaginative" is subjective. And I certainly don't appreciate art because someone told me to. There's much art I don't like, but I don't get angry at it, because I realize other people do enjoy it
DiabolicBadger 6 months ago
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@chrisose You're fully entitled to look for art in places other than modern art museums, but I resent the fact that you're calling people who do visit these museums (like me) idiots. I don't consider myself a "tenured member of the art elite", but that's not even the point. "Unimaginative" is subjective. And I certainly don't appreciate art because someone told me to. There's much art I don't like, but I don't get angry at it, because I realize other people do enjoy it
DiabolicBadger 6 months ago
@chrisose By the way, you should never be talked into having to appreciate art that you don't like. But there's no need to play victim, if you don't like abstract art such as this, there is plenty of more figurative art, old as well as contemporary, on display in may different places. Just go to those places. I, in the meantime, will genuinely enjoy standing in the odd almost-empty room, and we'll both be happy. Why make such a fuss?
DiabolicBadger 6 months ago
@DiabolicBadger
Again, I can more than appreciate art of all kinds but the question being who determines that something is art and why should we take their word that it is?
I've actually seen a blank wall presented as art. There were people gathered around praising the 'expressiveness' and 'turmoil' shown in the work. There was no work, it was a blank wall just like billions upon billions of other blank walls in the world.
This type of work is not 'abstract art' it is 'absent art'.
chrisose 6 months ago
@chrisose Nobody decides what is or isn't art. Or rather, everyone does. If a group of people has a certain vision and preference about art, then that's a reality. You can say they're wrong, and they will say you are, but it's worth a little effort to rise above that and respect that you just have different tastes, even if you don't understand each other's taste. Other than that, you don't have to listen to a word they say.
DiabolicBadger 6 months ago
@DiabolicBadger
Of course there are those who determine what art is or perhaps I should say what the elite say is art.
They are the people who do not consider your work art unless you have studied at the appropriate school.
They are the ones deciding what goes in museums.
They are the ones claiming the $250K is a steal for that can of shit or that a blank canvas speaks volumes.
They speak for those who want to belong to the art cliche but they do not speak for me.
chrisose 6 months ago
@chrisose Do art snobs exist? Sure. I dislike them very much. But that doesn't mean there isn't any value to the work itself. It's the snobs fault for failing to appreciate that there is more to art than that appropriate school. But you are making the same mistake. I understand your reaction to them, but being an anti-snob isn't that much better. As for the money, I admit I'm not really interested or impressed by that. It has more to do with capitalist culture than with the art itself, anyway
DiabolicBadger 6 months ago
@DiabolicBadger
I am not being an anti-snub I am just calling a blank canvas a blank canvas, a wad of paper a wad of paper and shit what it is, shit, not art.
chrisose 6 months ago
@chrisose In that case a painting is just a canvas with some colors on it. Artistic value (for many people) lies in what an artwork evokes, and that is possible no matter how much or how little information is present in the object itself. Is there a line between "enough" colors and form and not enough, for it to be art? Such a line is highly subjective to say the least.
DiabolicBadger 6 months ago
@DiabolicBadger
I feel the same about the painter who's entire career has been taking crayons and markers of all colors and making broad scribbles on the media until it is completely covered. It has as much meaning as the static on a TV screen and yet the art community and collectors go crazy for his "art". I've seen 2 year old's put more thought and meaning into their finger painting.
chrisose 6 months ago
@chrisose Well then, same question, when is there "too much information" on a canvas? And you shouldn't assume that the artist has put little thought and meaning in such a work. This is only how you experience it. To some people, children's paintings and TV static can be very beautiful. For instance, I think Pollock is absolutely amazing, no matter how much you tell me I'm wrong. And I didn't even take a class about him
DiabolicBadger 6 months ago
>mfw rainbow dash shirt
KinkyOats 6 months ago in playlist More videos from ZJemptv
Subtle trolling, I love it.
Satanos777 6 months ago
I thought you were awesome before.
Now that you have joined the herd I have even more respect for you.
LongHairedLoser 6 months ago
RAINBOW DASH
breakfastisgo 6 months ago
are you xy?
zorbatheok 6 months ago
Stupid blank room with mostly confused people in it. No.
LostManSays 6 months ago
Awh, yay, so you and your girlfriend are still together :D. <3
FibonaziProductions 6 months ago
That lippgloss looks so beautiful on you!
SmileLyubov 6 months ago
I speak for the vast majority of people and art majors. Fuck abstract minimalist art and the people who make it. The only thing it does is convince the pseudo-intellectual of worth that does not exist.
Seriously, I cannot stress this enough, abstract art is for smelly cunts. This arrangement of words is more artistic than that garbage, the lettering and spacing clearly demonstrates care and appreciation for nature and order.
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@snipzor Could not agree more. I am good friends who is currently doing a degree in fine art, which he is now regretting. He said to me "Y'know that stereotype that fine art is a lot of wank? That you do something stupid and then come up with a bullshit so-called intelligent reason for what it means, and suddenly it makes it art? Well, that stereotype is the harsh truth".
He told me that he went into fine art wanting to learn how to create, but instead it's nothing but a bullshitting contest.
NikiPaprika 6 months ago
@snipzor It's odd that you would say abstract art has no appreciation for nature and order. First of all because there are so many different kinds of abstract art, some of which is certainly technically difficult (which seems to be very a very important criterium for art to some people), secondly because much abstract art is interested only in nature and order, seeing as it has no direct reference to the physical world, so no politics or symbolism
DiabolicBadger 6 months ago
Why can't people just say they don't like something? Why must they say people are "stupid" for enjoying something they don't. Don't they see that's just as bad as saying someone is stupid for not enjoying (or "getting", as some would put it) a work of art. If anyone think that all modern art is a scam, and nobody genuinely appreciates it, they're wrong. Apart from that, feel free to hate, just don't try to convince everyone else they should do the same.
DiabolicBadger 6 months ago
Yeah it's art.
Con art.
Madnessonman 6 months ago
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Im gay and I hate Bisexual and so should you and all homesexuls why?
Because they ruined the whole it's not a choice defence.
phantonfan 6 months ago
They left because there is a man that looks like a female that sounds like a man talking about gay ass squares with lines calling it art. FRUUUUUIT CAKE!
hotboyonfiyer 6 months ago
I agree with most of you video's but as someone who has been to the Smithsonian Museum of Modern Art and several other "modern art" museums, I find this type of "art" absolute bullshit. I have tremendous respect for talented artist, and more I'm tremendously envious of those with that ability. But this kind of crap that takes absolutely no skill is just junk being sold by a smooth talking huckster. Stupid people are being told this is art, and conned into paying big bucks for it.
chrishwk 6 months ago
That lipstick looks LOVELY on you!
MissMeggieJ 6 months ago
God, his art reminds me of "The Emperors New Clothes".
SicotheClown 6 months ago
... the shirt ...
branfransisco9 6 months ago
To even consider this effortless and mindless pieace of hardware store accessory art is stupidity in itself.
This conceptual( or rather concepualless) peace of "art" just goes to show how arrogant these con artists are... To think that you can hang a couple of peaces of metal randomly and then make 2000 word conceptual description of the thing and call it art is an insult to any intelligence...
It is sad that modern art has deteriorated to this primitive state...
"No skill, no idea, no sense"
OsobliwyKlecha 6 months ago
@OsobliwyKlecha Well said. I think ZJ is crediting the artist too much here, but if she wants to buy a print of the art, Staples sells 500 copies under the title "ream of paper" for very reasonable pric... (what am I doing!)... I mean I have a print of the artist's work I will sell for just $1,000. (almost missed an opportunity there! :D)
What ZJ appears to have appreciated is the guile or audacity of the artist, and not the art itself. Video is mistitled. :P
OrthodoxAtheist 6 months ago
@OrthodoxAtheist At least its realtively cheap :] But the guile of this artist seems to me more like gulibility, effort put in the concept of shocking the audience in this perticular case is to say it lightly weak... Its hard to defend it on the grounds of artistic creativity because its just not that creative, not to mention its essteticaly poor.
OsobliwyKlecha 6 months ago
Robert Ryman; master troll. 11/10. Showing the world that trolling is a art. He has my vote for the Troll of the Year award.
kittyfluffins 6 months ago
you have a deep voice.. but look like a girl.. hmmm..
ultimateowner56 6 months ago
This is perhaps the weirdest video you have ever made.
disneyclint 6 months ago
can't believe this dudes straight.....and a blank canvas isnt art damit
bobMAN17988 6 months ago
@bobMAN17988 He's not straight, he says he came out as gay to his family in one of his videos. This is what confuses me tho. Is he a lesbian she or does he have a girlfriend that dresses like a guy?
RussianAssassin21 6 months ago
@RussianAssassin21 I would assume that in public he identifies as a female, and he and his partner identify as a lesbian couple, therefor explaining why he referred to his partner as a female. of course, i'm just making a guess based on what i already know, which is pretty much nothing.
terra61 6 months ago
this is not art...thats fucking lines ... jeez...
nick0163 6 months ago
I was the one who asked you about MLP in the BlogTV chat. This is SO AWESOME!!!
idliketobeatree 6 months ago 2
There are countless ordinary objects that can be exalted & appreciated on some level—a mere string, a big rusty bolt, a squiggly line, a 12-foot "painting" in a single solid color. The problem is when we try to pass these off as equal to art that requires real skill. BUT I realize that just as some people "don't get" what I like, stuff *I* don't get may be genuinely appreciated by others. Can't make self the decider for all. Still, it does seem that at some point an "Oh PEASE!" is justified.
ApplyUrBrain 6 months ago
I would be impressed if this work somehow reached into people and evoked something special, something hard to put a finger on, something deep in our emotions, some expression of something we feel but eludes words. But I am unimpressed because this art cannot and does does not evoke any of that. It merely evokes ordinary, uninspired reactions toward apparent pretension and arrogance—which is easily put into words, as evident from the Comments here. The work is pedestrian masquerading as esoteric.
ApplyUrBrain 6 months ago
Is this a joke?
AtheismandSkepticism 6 months ago
the concept of art has in itself changed through the evolution of ideas :/
GaaraSabuka 6 months ago
Hi Zinia, I recommend a visit to the Tate Modern if you ever visit London. Aside from the large and interesting collection, it's an amazing space, and its location means there are spectacular views from it.
annalangley 6 months ago
I still dont nderstand that kind of art.. it does, as a commenter suggested, reek of trolling, which i refuse to call art
doutonight 6 months ago
Wait, so Mr. Ryman is trolling people with art?
Enigma542 6 months ago
hi bitch, listen up u fucking bloody hachetwound, u need JESUS in ur life. until u except Jesus in2 ur life to heal ur sin and stop gettin slammed in the shitpipe then suckin the poop crumbs off dicks smearin feces on ur face makin a lil moustache out of shit, U WILL BE KILLED BY GOD!!! GOD HATES FAGS!!!!!! HE WILL KILL U DYKE CUNT FUCK YOUUUUUUUUUUU!!!!!!!!!!
bbofu 6 months ago
@bbofu
hi bitch,
you need MITHRAS, in your life.... he is the ZOROASTRIAN MESSIAH, and he is the guy they used to STEAL the jesus story from...
btw, ZJ, my friend in this video. HAS A PENIS! i know it is shocking...
once you realize how many times your idiotic biggotry and hatred have made you look like a moron.... learn to think critically and rationally.
Arteanor 6 months ago
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ZJ you really need to go outside more .
hanksnow82 6 months ago
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castroherman 6 months ago
Love your videos man but I definitely don't share your appreciation for art like that. Call me old fashioned but I like art that not only conveys emotion but also displays the virtuosity of the artist. Yeah I understand what's going on with that guys work, I read the info in the link you provided, an still I look at that art and all I can muster is "meh". If you really want to laugh at peoples reactions to art like this check out the piece titled "4:33" by composer John Cage.
castroherman 6 months ago
@castroherman
I agree that conveying emotion is important but display virtuosity is not important at all. I'm a musician and a composer, so I'll use my chosen medium as an example. The virtuosity of a musician is only there for only one purpose: to properly execute any and all ideas which are conveyed to him. Technical limits should be pushed back as far as possible, but to push them as much as possible in performance just sounds like musical masturbation to me (*cough* Dream Theater *cough*).
colourfulwithaU 6 months ago
@colourfulwithaU fair enough :)
castroherman 6 months ago
@castroherman Thanks for that, never heard of John Cage before. :)
juditK2007 6 months ago
A canvas isn't a painting unless it has paint on it.
ISc0tchI 6 months ago 13
Is this artistic trolling?
BannedUfos 6 months ago
@BannedUfos modern art is trolling
ivann198 6 months ago
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Well...(semi off/on topic if u will )...
I have seen better artistic design in my Chex Mix BOLD Party Blend snax mix, but have had internal reservations (visceral,and otherwise) since the G M/F F A brouhaha began...; )
electrovox1212 6 months ago
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electrovox1212 6 months ago
The exhibition you're describing sounds less like the effect of the artist (whose art is, in my opinion, somewhat mediocre) and more like the work of the curator who probably created the gallery for this work knowing that the arrangement, lighting, and visual context would add more to the work. Curators really don't get enough credit for the work they do.
SoCalledSpaceAge 6 months ago
Brohoof! :-D
telofy 6 months ago
Nothing like unearned feelings of superiority over 'lesser' people, huh?
I'd personally would sit in the same place as you, watching in incredulity at the pretentious contemplating 'art' and pretending to understand some deeper meaning.
I've experienced awe in the face of true beauty, passion and expertise. The people that call this art make me wonder if it is a rare gift I posses.
TuesdaysThursdays 6 months ago
Here is an example of real art on YouTube I think you would appreciate: /watch?v=mTumUJq0CfU
TuesdaysThursdays 6 months ago
Wow, can't believe I disagree with ZinniaJones on something, but here goes. If the observation of the audience's varied reactions was the intention of the artist, then it was a successful piece. It's a cop out, but it's successful. If it's just: Ha ha, those stupid people just don;t get my work" - referring the wall pieces themselves - Then it's just a bunch of talentless shit. In other words, if it's not the artist's intent, then it's not successful art.
memonk11 6 months ago
I don't get it.. how can you have a girl friend.. when you are clearly gay? Are you trying to be a woman so you can be a lesbian?? That's just freaking retarded. Why don't you be yourself (a man) and date a girl? Lol. Yous guys are crazy in the head XD
wilbrit09 6 months ago
ZJ is now 20% cooler.
PlagueMutt 6 months ago
Also, I don't get why people are calling these blank canvases. I can clearly see lines and composition on them. Maybe it's because the details are so sparse that it's hard to actually see them unless you're a foot away from them.
Also, ZJ is now 20% cooler.
vandritch 6 months ago
People often underestimate the responsibility that curators have over the art experience.
vandritch 6 months ago
A little help for the folks who can't understand modern art: I'm an art teacher, and it can be hard explaining modern art. Try this: Grab some paper, a box of crayons, and turn on some music. Draw what you feel from the music without using any recognizable objects or words; just line, shape and color. That is what artists like this are often attempting to do; convey a feeling without distracting you with objects that may have some other kind of meaning for you.
crankysaint 6 months ago
Art? IMO, if a blank canvas is supposed to be art then all I see is a white, depressing void.
FancyPocketWatch 6 months ago
@FancyPocketWatch Wait a minute, I know where I am..... This is the Plane of Suck.
MistressMareth 6 months ago
@MistressMareth
I wish I could thumb this comment up more than once. :P
TheFounderUtopia 6 months ago
@MistressMareth
Nice... to meet you too... I guess.
FancyPocketWatch 6 months ago
@FancyPocketWatch I guess you're not familiar with the LookingForGroup webcomic. In one of the pages, Richard the Undead Warlock is transported to an alternate dimension that's just an endless void of plain white. Richard then dubs this dimension the 'Plane of Suck,' due to the fact that it's incredibly boring and it sucks to be stuck there.
MistressMareth 6 months ago
@MistressMareth
Oh. Well, thanks for clearing that up.
I do apologize if my previous comment seemed a little rude.
I didn't know how to interpret your "Plane of Suck" remark. Silly me.
FancyPocketWatch 6 months ago
This is art the same way the ambient noise of the city, or wing though the trees is music.
The reactions of indifference, discus, and disinterest, that you said the audience show pretty sums up the breadth of peoples reaction to dog crap on the street.
If you really want to see a piece elicit reactions from the audience go to a movie and watch the crowd instead of the screen. In the dark people feel safe empathizing with the story and are visibly emotionally involved for an hour plus.
Bo1618 6 months ago
I am sorry but this stuff really bothers me. I work my fucking ASS off, doing life drawing every week, studying anatomy and how the human skeleton works, how muscles move. I spend my free time drawing people walking past on the street, understanding the movement to try and make my drawings believable. Then there are pieces of this modern art like this, and then people think I'm uncultured and ignorant because I "don't get it"? Art is subjective, and my opinion is this is bullshit.
NikiPaprika 6 months ago 50
@NikiPaprika Fucking aye, man.
JoltZero 6 months ago
@NikiPaprika wow, what an ignorant comment. being able to draw the human body doesn´t have to make it art and if you think this art is bullshit, well that really is just your opinion
SmileLyubov 6 months ago
@SmileLyubov
How about you actually explain why the comment is ignorant instead of just stating it.
sdrawkcabgnipytmi 6 months ago
@SmileLyubov Exactly, that's MY opinion. I am, however, not ignorant of art. I may have negative feelings, but I'm certainly not ignorant. My frustration isn't about this not being a human body, my frustration is my life is nothing but art, but some person draws or does something "abstract" and suddenly they're in galleries and getting offered vast amounts of money to do it again? Fuck that.
NikiPaprika 6 months ago
@NikiPaprika BOO HOO! In my opinion, anything you draw will suck as you are a whiny hater.
The art is post modern. I don't claim to be anything but ignorant about most things artistic and even I know that.
finerbiner 6 months ago
@finerbiner That is your opinion, though it's strange you make such an opinion without even seeing my art. And a "whiny hater"? I'm paying money to be educated in art at a university level! An animation degree, more specifically, which requires a fuck load more skill than this "post modern" drivel.
But considering you admitted yourself to be ignorant about most things artistic, I doubt that this will be understood.
NikiPaprika 6 months ago
@NikiPaprika Of course I was expressing my opinion. Just like you were.
Your attitude informs your art. Your jealously, lack of perspective and immaturity are what I base my opinion of your creations on. Work on these things. No one will ever care that you can draw a torso well..
Lastly, coal miners work their ass off. You spend the day drawing. Whiner!
finerbiner 6 months ago
@finerbiner I am not jealous. I am jealous of artists, but they are people I admire, the people I look up to and am inspired by. This isn't jealousy or immaturity, I'm expressing my negative feelings about this type of art.
Animation and coal mining are completely separate jobs altogether, requiring entirely different skills. Animators have to constantly work hard to achieve the skills required for said profession. You haven't the slightest clue, so I don't know why you're calling me immature.
NikiPaprika 6 months ago
@finerbiner Oh, and "No one will ever care that you can draw a torso well.." I'm pretty sure my life drawing teachers and animation lecturers will have several things to say to you on that matter. The thing with animation is that it IS objective. There is right and wrong. That's what makes it such a difficult art form. There is absolutely NO bullshitting around. You HAVE to do things correctly. And it means working your ass off at it every single day.
NikiPaprika 6 months ago
@NikiPaprika - apparently you didn't watch the video.
darbytes 6 months ago
@darbytes ...If I didn't watch the video I wouldn't have left a comment. I watch ZJs videos all the way through. No reason not to!
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NikiPaprika 6 months ago
so majority of people are ignorant and less educated than the elite, nothing new there. What bothers me is that an evolved reasonable person as you seam to be would finds ''hilarious'' in the fact that these people are incapable to appreciate those paintings. Frankly I find that a bit cruel. If we care about our character we should try to enlighten the ignorant not make fun of them, we should not make fun of anybody actually, we should have empathy and pity on those who are not fortunate.
boghdan2000 6 months ago
Person1: "Oh no! I ran out of time and couldn't come up with a single painting!" (reads The Emperor's New Clothes and gets an Idea) Next day= Person2: What is this?! -Person1: Uh... It's art! Only smart people can understand it's meaning. Surely a man as intelligent as yourself has already figured it out! -Person2: Why yes... Ofcourse I have! Great job!
CounterAttackMage 6 months ago
Do you ever listen to Robert Hughes?
watch?v=jUh_NSpiTsY
watch?v=euPx2QWVl3E
zarkoff45 6 months ago
People watching is always interesting, they do the strangest things
and sorry but what is on the wall is not art, it looks like dry wall samples
nights22003 6 months ago
you just got 20% cooler in 10 seconds flat
freyjasage 6 months ago
Ya! You could teach a class on visiting a museum. Well done.
katfrog98 6 months ago
Further proof that the best art is total bullshit.
Bardlettt 6 months ago
Darn it, this video keeps malfunctioning on me. Maybe I'll try again next week.
RickySTT 6 months ago
Can you load a vid of audiences?
calmreason 6 months ago
Sweet, I just moved to Chicago, I'll have to check it out.
angelwhite 6 months ago
Uber cool dude...
Moontanman 6 months ago
*brohoof*
FerreThoughts 6 months ago
Wow! FA-RUIT CAKE!!!!
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RDIGlobal 6 months ago
Someone who can draw!! Please make a ZJ pony!!
Felhaven 6 months ago
1. I would read about the art before leaving.
2. I think it was apart of his plan.
3. Meh, I don't like "performance" pieces
4. If this is art then literally everything we ever do is art... slow realization *MIND BLOWN*...
Leadman1989 6 months ago
@Leadman1989
4 is so wrong.... so utterly wrong
lukeisareilly 6 months ago
@lukeisareilly It could be correct, if everything is "deliberately regarded from the aesthetic point of view"(Monroe Beardsley, 1982). ;-)
Marchawc 6 months ago
@lukeisareilly
Yeah, it was a joke, sorry you didn't get it.
Leadman1989 6 months ago
@Leadman1989 It's fine, it wasn't very funny, I'm clearly not missing out on much
lukeisareilly 6 months ago
@lukeisareilly
I suppose if i made my comments exclusively for you then i would give a shit but sadly I don't. The people that were smart enough to get it got it. Whether or not they found it funny is their SUBJECTIVE opinion. You clearly are missing plenty.
Leadman1989 6 months ago