@twilliger123 yup fully agree. The list goes on and on. Flu, food poisoning, painful menstruation, stress because of father sex scandal, stress because of tax scandal, back pain... Steffi has obviously had the largest medical crew any sports person has ever had lol :) And those same people refer to Seles' stabbing as "minor"...
Nonsense, no one ever suggested that Steffi was sick/ill/injured in the Wimbledon 87, FO 90, USO 90 or FO 92 finals. So in almost half of her slam final losses she has no excuse!
@Hoffenheim08 WTFever Grafgirlcunt or whatever other psueds you are, all I hear is you and others make excuses for her so please stick Steffi's racquet handle up your ass and die, thank you!
I am surprised watching this clip Graf lost only 2 matches in 1987. To be honest she looks a bit like just a dumb ball basher at this point. I dont think her game had really matured. Steffi really improved the next year. The womens field must have been in shambles this year for Steffi to lose only 2 matches in 87 though, either that or she had a really off day since she doesnt look impressive here at all.
@lambielkwanfan To be fair, Steffi's timing looks all off here and she was reportedly ill with flu. I don't think she looks well. Navratilova had a poor 1987 by her standards but still came away with Wimbledon and USO crowns, and reached the finals at AO and FO. She served for the FO but choked. She wasn't as consistent as Graf that year but in the slams she was still the best player in the world.
@Nicklas4500 young players often take awhile to fulfill their promise in slams. Martina had some great results in 1975 and 1977 but didnt reach the finals of either of wimbledon or the U.S Open (Australian and French were mini events those years with depleted fields). Chris was dominant on the regular tour in 72 and 73 but didnt win a slam until 74. And Graf could not carry her 86 and 87 regular tour dominance into the slams even though she did win one. Venus of 99 and Serena of 01 too.
@lambielkwanfan Steffi wasn't well during this match (she had flu) and put in a very sub par performance. Someone has posted a video on youtube of steffi's match against pam shriver in the 87 wimbledon semi - that's a good match to look at to see the kind of form steffi did hit at times during 87. She played pretty spectacularly in that match
Martina was a 30-31 years old hag already. Flu? It's nothing significant. Steffi was supposed to be much fitter as she's younger and athletic. She's not a wimp like everyone else, right?
@volvariella Don't get me wrong, I think Martina's amazing. My point was that everyone was expecting this match to be just like their 86 semi which went to 7-6 in the third. For whatever reason, Steffi's performance was very sub par in this match, and Martina ended up running away with the match at the end. I just watch Steffi's semi against Lori McNeil at the *& USO and she seemed quite sub par in that match too.
Oh hi, didn't expect a response from a troll like you. So, have you ever been stabbed at the height of your career? When you're a teenager? And a girl? No? Thought so.... Bwahahahahah.
@lambielkwanfan Yeah, definitely some rough edges in her game in 87. I'd recommend watching Steffi's 87 wimbledon semi against Pam Shriver (also on youtube) to see her best 87 form - she plays a pretty spectacular match. But you're definitely right - still lots of work to done on Steffi's game in 87.
Martina won the triple crown at this USO - something I think only she and Margaret Court were able to achieve in the Open era. They're also the only two to have the grand slam 'boxed set' of all titles at all the majors.
Martina has a 4-1 winning record against Steffi at this tournament.
I agree the slams are most important but if the WTA tour is only about the slams maybe they should just award ranking points to the 4 slams and none to the other events. That is the ONLY way you would always have the best slam performer at #1. How well would that work for the WTA tour who has to support and make money from their own tour.
How did Navratilova finish that year (1987) at no 2? She won Wimbledon, the US Open and played in the final of both the Australian and French Opens. This is when rankings are bullshit.
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@89Pleasek Martina finished 1987 at no 2 because Graf's record was far superior over the whole year. Graf finished the year with 11 titles & 75-2 match record (only losing in the Wimbledon & US Open finals). Martina only won 4 titles & was 56-8 for the year... she didn't even win a single tournament until Wimbledon. Graf's ranking point average was higher because she was so consistent, reaching the final or better of every tournament she played, something Martina was unable to do.
I mean yea but that kinda feels strange when somebody wins the 2 biggest tournaments in the world, reaches the final of the next big 2 and not finishes the year at no 1.
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@89Pleasek Normally I would agree but Graf won 12 tournaments to Martina's 4. Graf lost only those 2 matches whereas Martina lost 8. The only way to justify Martina being #1 with those results if she had won the French Open final too to have 3 slams to 0 for Steffi. With Steffi winning 1 major to Martina's 2 the huge gap between the two on the rest of the tour this year more than justifies Graf's #1 rank. It is also too bad Graf didnt play Australia, she might have won.
So when Wozniacki wins 7 tournaments this year, reaches no Slam finals (in fact, only 1 semi) and yet has a pretty big advantage over Serena in ranking points (even tho Serena won 2 Slams), is Wozniacki a worthy number 1? According to you yes, cause she won more titles and was more concistant. Graf in 87 had the advantage over Wozniacki in 2010 cause she actually won a Slam and lost 2 matches in the whole year. WTA is beyond my imagination, we had so many cases like this in the past.
@89Pleasek That is not the same thing at all. Graf won 1 slam and reached 3 slam finals in addition to winning almost every tournament. Wozniacki did not lose only 2 matches all year, did not win the French Open, Miami, and the WTA Championships, did not reach 3 slam finals. So your attempted parallel is weak. And for the record yes I do think Wozniacki deserves #1 by default this year since Serena played only 6 tournaments. It would be a joke for a #1 to play only 6 events.
@89Pleasek its not just about grand slams you know. 75-2 (97.40 %), thats why she was number 1, she only lost 2 matches that year. why is wozniaki number 1,
i agree, i can swallow the fact that graf finished no 1 in 1987 cause she won 98 % of her matches, played in 3 major finals and won 1 while Navratilova wasn't that consistent off slams but come on wozniacki at no 1 nowadays with her results? my god
@89Pleasek like i say its not just about winning grand slams, its about the tour as a whole, i think kvitova should be number 1 cause shes had an amazing year but i dont make the rankings.
Sit down, seaside145. We need to talk. Shriver, at her peak, was one of the most formidable players on the tour. Against Graf, she often choked and was intimidated by her greatness.
@darius3000 You're right about Shriver...she wasn't such a pushover. Graf fans often deride Shriver and hold her up as evidence of the 'weak' competition Martina faced in the mid 80s, but the ironic thing is that Shriver has a better win:loss record against Graf than she does against Martina - that's even if you don't count her first two wins against the young Graf.
@Nicklas4500 True but one big difference is Shriver has beaten Martina twice where it matter most- in the slams, and only beaten Steffi once (when Steffi was barely 16 at Wimbledon 85 I believe it was). So while Pam's one slam win over Graf meant little to the event, both times Shriver beat Martina she was seeded #1 and favored to win the title. Although I am pretty sure Shriver has played Martina many more times in slams than Steffi, I havent checked the stats.
@grafgirl27 Yes, those were 2 big wins for Shriver against Navratilova in '78/'82 USO but she also beat Graf in the SF of '88 Virginia Slims YEC when Graf was #1 and hot favourite, a huge upset. Graf led Shriver 9-3 career H2H, 4-1 in slams, 1-1 in YEC. Navratilova led Shriver 39-3 career H2H, 7-2 in slams, 5-0 in YEC.
@Nicklas4500 Yes I remember that 88 YEC match well. Pam played amazingly well that day. It is amazing she never reached another slam final after the 78 U.S Open. I guess it just shows how dominant Martina and Chris were and then other times it seems Hana, Austin, or even Jaeger got in her way. She had to execute her game plan perfectly to succeed vs the top women though since she was excellent in her strengths but limited in other ways (eg- baseline rallies, lateral movement).
would anyone happen to have or be able to post the 1986 semi-final between Graf & Navratilova? or any of those highlight compilations? I love being able to watch these matches!
I found Shriver's comment about how she possibly affected Graf's confidence in the quarterfinals amusing. Shriver couldn't do anything but INCREASE Steffi's confidence.
I barely remember this match I was very young like 5, I remember Chris Evert lost and it was a HUGE deal. Steffi was sick and almost lost in her semifinal while Mantina beat the lazy and inconsistent Helen Suckova! This was an awful match!!!
Thanks for this Saschamen. Love Martina's fierce hair! This was the year she won the triple crown - singles, doubles and mixed - the only player in the last 40 years to do that. Don't think she lost a set in the singles.
Thanks for this video!! I've never seen this final. It's amazing steffi only lost two matches in 1987, both to martina at wimbledon and the us open!! I think maybe steffi lacked that experience in slam finals!!
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volvariella 1 month ago
Legend vs. legend. Two of the greatest ladies who ever played the game.
herodot2 2 months ago
Geez Martina, fire your hair stylist, that mullet is hideous girl.
dtw1958 6 months ago
Steffi quite obviously ill.
A cake walk for Navi in the second.
Hoffenheim08 8 months ago
Love reading all the Graf fans making excuses for her when she loses, she always has to be sick. No one can just beat her. What a bunch of losers.
twilliger123 8 months ago 33
@twilliger123 yup fully agree. The list goes on and on. Flu, food poisoning, painful menstruation, stress because of father sex scandal, stress because of tax scandal, back pain... Steffi has obviously had the largest medical crew any sports person has ever had lol :) And those same people refer to Seles' stabbing as "minor"...
juju1305 8 months ago 14
@twilliger123
Nonsense, no one ever suggested that Steffi was sick/ill/injured in the Wimbledon 87, FO 90, USO 90 or FO 92 finals. So in almost half of her slam final losses she has no excuse!
Hoffenheim08 8 months ago
@Hoffenheim08 WTFever Grafgirlcunt or whatever other psueds you are, all I hear is you and others make excuses for her so please stick Steffi's racquet handle up your ass and die, thank you!
twilliger123 8 months ago
Martina is working the spikey mullet haircut!!
pb123451508 10 months ago
I am surprised watching this clip Graf lost only 2 matches in 1987. To be honest she looks a bit like just a dumb ball basher at this point. I dont think her game had really matured. Steffi really improved the next year. The womens field must have been in shambles this year for Steffi to lose only 2 matches in 87 though, either that or she had a really off day since she doesnt look impressive here at all.
lambielkwanfan 1 year ago
@lambielkwanfan To be fair, Steffi's timing looks all off here and she was reportedly ill with flu. I don't think she looks well. Navratilova had a poor 1987 by her standards but still came away with Wimbledon and USO crowns, and reached the finals at AO and FO. She served for the FO but choked. She wasn't as consistent as Graf that year but in the slams she was still the best player in the world.
Nicklas4500 11 months ago
@Nicklas4500 young players often take awhile to fulfill their promise in slams. Martina had some great results in 1975 and 1977 but didnt reach the finals of either of wimbledon or the U.S Open (Australian and French were mini events those years with depleted fields). Chris was dominant on the regular tour in 72 and 73 but didnt win a slam until 74. And Graf could not carry her 86 and 87 regular tour dominance into the slams even though she did win one. Venus of 99 and Serena of 01 too.
lambielkwanfan 11 months ago
@lambielkwanfan Steffi wasn't well during this match (she had flu) and put in a very sub par performance. Someone has posted a video on youtube of steffi's match against pam shriver in the 87 wimbledon semi - that's a good match to look at to see the kind of form steffi did hit at times during 87. She played pretty spectacularly in that match
zephyruk 10 months ago
@zephyruk
Martina was a 30-31 years old hag already. Flu? It's nothing significant. Steffi was supposed to be much fitter as she's younger and athletic. She's not a wimp like everyone else, right?
volvariella 6 months ago
@volvariella Don't get me wrong, I think Martina's amazing. My point was that everyone was expecting this match to be just like their 86 semi which went to 7-6 in the third. For whatever reason, Steffi's performance was very sub par in this match, and Martina ended up running away with the match at the end. I just watch Steffi's semi against Lori McNeil at the *& USO and she seemed quite sub par in that match too.
zephyruk 6 months ago
@volvariella
Have you ever played tennis while having the flu, son?
No?
Thought so ...
Hoffenheim08 6 months ago
@Hoffenheim08
Oh hi, didn't expect a response from a troll like you. So, have you ever been stabbed at the height of your career? When you're a teenager? And a girl? No? Thought so.... Bwahahahahah.
volvariella 6 months ago
@volvariella
A troll?
That from you ....
Hoffenheim08 6 months ago
@lambielkwanfan
You obviously didn't watch her destroy Navratilova and Evert in Key Biscayne that year.
Hoffenheim08 8 months ago
@lambielkwanfan Yeah, definitely some rough edges in her game in 87. I'd recommend watching Steffi's 87 wimbledon semi against Pam Shriver (also on youtube) to see her best 87 form - she plays a pretty spectacular match. But you're definitely right - still lots of work to done on Steffi's game in 87.
zephyruk 6 months ago
Martina won the triple crown at this USO - something I think only she and Margaret Court were able to achieve in the Open era. They're also the only two to have the grand slam 'boxed set' of all titles at all the majors.
Martina has a 4-1 winning record against Steffi at this tournament.
Nicklas4500 1 year ago
@Nicklas4500 It is funny how Martina has a better record vs Graf at the U.S Open than at Wimbledon where she trails 1-2.
lambielkwanfan 1 year ago
Great Hair, Martina! ;-))))
Mackenzie73 1 year ago
Martina's fourth and last U.S.Open title. She would reach the finals in '89 and '91
thadxxx 1 year ago
wow - steffi looks soooooooo dissapointed here...if only she would have known that her best year was right ahead of her!!! :-))
Mackenzie73 1 year ago
Get Wozniacki out of this thread; not in the same league as Martina and Steffi at all.
krtina455 1 year ago
I agree the slams are most important but if the WTA tour is only about the slams maybe they should just award ranking points to the 4 slams and none to the other events. That is the ONLY way you would always have the best slam performer at #1. How well would that work for the WTA tour who has to support and make money from their own tour.
grafgirl27 1 year ago
martina's hair is a riot.......
westendgla 1 year ago 2
Martina's hair........
Mackenzie73 1 year ago
How did Navratilova finish that year (1987) at no 2? She won Wimbledon, the US Open and played in the final of both the Australian and French Opens. This is when rankings are bullshit.
89Pleasek 1 year ago 65
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@89Pleasek Martina finished 1987 at no 2 because Graf's record was far superior over the whole year. Graf finished the year with 11 titles & 75-2 match record (only losing in the Wimbledon & US Open finals). Martina only won 4 titles & was 56-8 for the year... she didn't even win a single tournament until Wimbledon. Graf's ranking point average was higher because she was so consistent, reaching the final or better of every tournament she played, something Martina was unable to do.
fantome19 1 year ago
I mean yea but that kinda feels strange when somebody wins the 2 biggest tournaments in the world, reaches the final of the next big 2 and not finishes the year at no 1.
89Pleasek 1 year ago
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@89Pleasek Normally I would agree but Graf won 12 tournaments to Martina's 4. Graf lost only those 2 matches whereas Martina lost 8. The only way to justify Martina being #1 with those results if she had won the French Open final too to have 3 slams to 0 for Steffi. With Steffi winning 1 major to Martina's 2 the huge gap between the two on the rest of the tour this year more than justifies Graf's #1 rank. It is also too bad Graf didnt play Australia, she might have won.
grafgirl27 1 year ago
So when Wozniacki wins 7 tournaments this year, reaches no Slam finals (in fact, only 1 semi) and yet has a pretty big advantage over Serena in ranking points (even tho Serena won 2 Slams), is Wozniacki a worthy number 1? According to you yes, cause she won more titles and was more concistant. Graf in 87 had the advantage over Wozniacki in 2010 cause she actually won a Slam and lost 2 matches in the whole year. WTA is beyond my imagination, we had so many cases like this in the past.
89Pleasek 1 year ago
@89Pleasek That is not the same thing at all. Graf won 1 slam and reached 3 slam finals in addition to winning almost every tournament. Wozniacki did not lose only 2 matches all year, did not win the French Open, Miami, and the WTA Championships, did not reach 3 slam finals. So your attempted parallel is weak. And for the record yes I do think Wozniacki deserves #1 by default this year since Serena played only 6 tournaments. It would be a joke for a #1 to play only 6 events.
grafgirl27 1 year ago
@89Pleasek : I think that overall the women's rankings have always been
kljMN2 2 months ago
@89Pleasek its not just about grand slams you know. 75-2 (97.40 %), thats why she was number 1, she only lost 2 matches that year. why is wozniaki number 1,
idontsignin 2 months ago in playlist navratilova
i agree, i can swallow the fact that graf finished no 1 in 1987 cause she won 98 % of her matches, played in 3 major finals and won 1 while Navratilova wasn't that consistent off slams but come on wozniacki at no 1 nowadays with her results? my god
89Pleasek 2 months ago
@89Pleasek like i say its not just about winning grand slams, its about the tour as a whole, i think kvitova should be number 1 cause shes had an amazing year but i dont make the rankings.
idontsignin 2 months ago
at least there is a mere 100 point difference between wozniacki and kvitova so it's only a matter of time before kvitova tops the rankings
89Pleasek 2 months ago
@89Pleasek
She didn't win anything during the first half of the year
herodot2 2 months ago
I loved Martina's mullet too- very sexy.
occywave 1 year ago
Sit down, seaside145. We need to talk. Shriver, at her peak, was one of the most formidable players on the tour. Against Graf, she often choked and was intimidated by her greatness.
darius3000 1 year ago
@darius3000 You're right about Shriver...she wasn't such a pushover. Graf fans often deride Shriver and hold her up as evidence of the 'weak' competition Martina faced in the mid 80s, but the ironic thing is that Shriver has a better win:loss record against Graf than she does against Martina - that's even if you don't count her first two wins against the young Graf.
Nicklas4500 1 year ago
@Nicklas4500 True but one big difference is Shriver has beaten Martina twice where it matter most- in the slams, and only beaten Steffi once (when Steffi was barely 16 at Wimbledon 85 I believe it was). So while Pam's one slam win over Graf meant little to the event, both times Shriver beat Martina she was seeded #1 and favored to win the title. Although I am pretty sure Shriver has played Martina many more times in slams than Steffi, I havent checked the stats.
grafgirl27 1 year ago
@grafgirl27 Yes, those were 2 big wins for Shriver against Navratilova in '78/'82 USO but she also beat Graf in the SF of '88 Virginia Slims YEC when Graf was #1 and hot favourite, a huge upset. Graf led Shriver 9-3 career H2H, 4-1 in slams, 1-1 in YEC. Navratilova led Shriver 39-3 career H2H, 7-2 in slams, 5-0 in YEC.
Nicklas4500 1 year ago
@Nicklas4500 Yes I remember that 88 YEC match well. Pam played amazingly well that day. It is amazing she never reached another slam final after the 78 U.S Open. I guess it just shows how dominant Martina and Chris were and then other times it seems Hana, Austin, or even Jaeger got in her way. She had to execute her game plan perfectly to succeed vs the top women though since she was excellent in her strengths but limited in other ways (eg- baseline rallies, lateral movement).
grafgirl27 1 year ago
@Nicklas4500
Before the match most people thought that Shriver would win.
Because Steffi was visibly ill. Steffi thought she might pull this off, though.
Hoffenheim08 1 year ago
@Hoffenheim08 Steffi certainly doesn't look well here. But she wasn't ill at Wimbledon '87 was she?
Nicklas4500 1 year ago
would anyone happen to have or be able to post the 1986 semi-final between Graf & Navratilova? or any of those highlight compilations? I love being able to watch these matches!
audreyessex 2 years ago
@audreyessex
I've never seen any of that 1986 USOpen semi-final match on YouTube, but would like to.
newmark401 2 years ago
I found Shriver's comment about how she possibly affected Graf's confidence in the quarterfinals amusing. Shriver couldn't do anything but INCREASE Steffi's confidence.
seaside145 2 years ago
Love Martina's hair ! So fierce !!! Tennis misses that kind of players these days !
juju1305 2 years ago
I prefer her mushroom hairstyle to this one.
volvariella 1 year ago
I wonder why i'm getting 5 minuses on my previous comment :)
juju1305 1 year ago
Some people really care about Martina's hair and they think you have a bad taste.
volvariella 1 year ago
@volvariella Lol ! Well, I stick to my first comment. Martina's hair in this video looks fierce and I LOVE IT :)
juju1305 1 year ago
I barely remember this match I was very young like 5, I remember Chris Evert lost and it was a HUGE deal. Steffi was sick and almost lost in her semifinal while Mantina beat the lazy and inconsistent Helen Suckova! This was an awful match!!!
CariocaBoy82 2 years ago
Martina really wiped the floor with Steffi in the second set- mauling her backhand and constantly hounding her on serve
thinnus 2 years ago
Thanks for this Saschamen. Love Martina's fierce hair! This was the year she won the triple crown - singles, doubles and mixed - the only player in the last 40 years to do that. Don't think she lost a set in the singles.
Nicklas4500 2 years ago
I was the one who requested this final. Thanks Saschamen for delivering.
darius3000 2 years ago
It's amazing, Steffi makes so much mistakes, pretty unusual.
sidh05 2 years ago
Thanks for this video!! I've never seen this final. It's amazing steffi only lost two matches in 1987, both to martina at wimbledon and the us open!! I think maybe steffi lacked that experience in slam finals!!
Kallytom 2 years ago
THANK YOU
BLACKTREAT 2 years ago