Awesome machine. But as we all know. Machines don't stay chip and coolant free like this. Not if you use them everyday. That toolchanger will be loaded with chips after 1-2 weeks of real production machining. You would have to clean after every shift with a brush. Air blast would cram chips in that mechanism badly. Cleaning time = no money.
Considering the fact that Chiron has a long history catering high volume manufacturing e.g. in automobile industry, also with this original tool changer technology, I find your evaluation a bit sour. But the concern about increased dynamic masses is well founded, especially in energy efficiency respect.
@FreiherrMannerheim That's great you find my evaluation sour. I find your comments out of a book and not in the everyday real-world. That toolchanger is an over-complicated design that will be prone to failure. And Automotive companies lease or sell off their machines after a short time. After the job/product is run, the machine is gone as well. Alveterzane
I look the machine with industrial physicist's eyes and I don't have first hand experience with this particular type of VMC, I'll give you that. But the fact remains that these machines have been and are widely used in high volume mass production, which is highly unlikely if they inherently had more need for maintenance and down time. That is the basis for my reasoning.
Yikes. The tool changer/turret is always the first place to run into problems with CNC machines. That thing looks like a maintenance nightmare. It's fast, but I wouldn't want to have to take it apart or repair it.
i really don't see whats good in this atc ,the tools are exposed to flying chips,dirt and coolant
Fischer977 1 week ago
Awesome machine. But as we all know. Machines don't stay chip and coolant free like this. Not if you use them everyday. That toolchanger will be loaded with chips after 1-2 weeks of real production machining. You would have to clean after every shift with a brush. Air blast would cram chips in that mechanism badly. Cleaning time = no money.
PrecisionMach 2 months ago
@PrecisionMach
Considering the fact that Chiron has a long history catering high volume manufacturing e.g. in automobile industry, also with this original tool changer technology, I find your evaluation a bit sour. But the concern about increased dynamic masses is well founded, especially in energy efficiency respect.
FreiherrMannerheim 1 month ago
@FreiherrMannerheim That's great you find my evaluation sour. I find your comments out of a book and not in the everyday real-world. That toolchanger is an over-complicated design that will be prone to failure. And Automotive companies lease or sell off their machines after a short time. After the job/product is run, the machine is gone as well. Alveterzane
PrecisionMach 1 month ago
@PrecisionMach
I look the machine with industrial physicist's eyes and I don't have first hand experience with this particular type of VMC, I'll give you that. But the fact remains that these machines have been and are widely used in high volume mass production, which is highly unlikely if they inherently had more need for maintenance and down time. That is the basis for my reasoning.
FreiherrMannerheim 1 month ago
Yikes. The tool changer/turret is always the first place to run into problems with CNC machines. That thing looks like a maintenance nightmare. It's fast, but I wouldn't want to have to take it apart or repair it.
ions82 7 months ago
@ions82
Actually these tool changers are pretty reliable, and they don't require a great deal of maintenance. They are air-driven.
douro20 7 months ago
this looks stupid/dangerous, and the working plane will be compromised by tool lenghts
userios 9 months ago
Why? I guess that I have just seen too many OTHER styles of tool changers/tool magazines, but this seems stupid.
johnstonebreaker 10 months ago