The point is power abuse. Making fun of people viewed to be lesser human beings because of who they are as part of a minority is not humour it is abuse. What's being called upon is maturing of a nation. A nation's humour is a yardstick of their maturity. The Netherlands uses the guideline of "A measure of a country's civility is its treatment of minorities"
I actually think that everyone here had a legitimate point. Wayne was definately right in calling out people for finding mere same sex attraction on it's own to be something hilarious. He really nailed why we feel offended by this because people aren't even giving legitimate reasons for the ridicule. It's like saying "haha, your black" to someone: it's playground bullying. Jay's apology was really sincere and I do honestly think he made a legitimate mistake; it goes under our noses most times.
FUCK YOU! Wayne Besen is awesome and hot and how dare you use the "f" word!-gay jokes are funny-they're so abused and yes Bill O'Reilly is a douchebag and a prick! He can go fuck himself!
leno is the most harmless person in the world...he was obviously joking around and didnt mean anything by it...anyone who is offended needs to chill the beans!! its absolutely ridiculous!!
I know how to read, you just don't know how to form your thoughts in a coherent matter. Go back and read your original post and tell me that it actually makes sense. I don't want to deal with you anymore.
Good God, I want nothing more to do with you. I misunderstood your original post because it is completely incoherent. I'm not going to deal with whose fault it is--I just really can't understand any of your posts and I'm just not going to worry about any more.
"O Reillyboring is fucking stupid yeah idiot your made fun of cause your a prejudice bigot you asshole DUHHH wonder why!.The way it is compared to how your treated dumbass is completely different!"
Did I misread your comments above? didn't you call me "idiot," "dumbass" etc... And then you say I'm rude? You've got serious issues.
You know, if you could form a coherent sentence I might be hurt by you calling me names. Considering you haven't matured since you were five years old I don't take your insults seriously.
avonlonjoyous--I would respond to your comment but I can't figure out what you're trying to say. Go back and read what you wrote and tell me how you can be anything but a moron.
My God O'Reilly is just clueless. I'm sure he still doesn't understand why he's attacked when he says something racist or bigoted--he just isn't self-reflective enough to understand why people who have been mocked and persecuted might take offense at being mocked and persecuted.
I did not watch the show, but I saw this clip here. I'm glbt and im not offended by it. I think that sure there is a line, but the line is not black and white. For instance, most of my friends are straight, we (including I) make 'gay' jokes, base on stereotypes alone, not as individual people. I know gay actors who pole fun at gay stereotypes... we have to be able to laugh at ourselves sometimes lol like "oh thats so true!" ya know? Leno is a comedian! Idk i think some people need to relax.
Liberal Hollywood is supposed to be friendly and supportive of gay people but in actuality they have been the leading proponents of reinforcing gay stereotypes in society by using gay people as the targets of cheap seventh grade humor on TV and in film. Wayne, you did us all a great service by confronting and clarifying this issue on national TV.
The big joke is watching O'Reilly pretending to be sympathetic towards gay people, and the other times he puts on his act. Any other time, he's hopping mad when he's yapping about gay issues.
I don't agree that Christian white males are often the butt of jokes. What people laugh at them for are the idiotic things they often do. for example, they follow leaders like the late jerry Falwell and James Dobson who respectively thought Tinky Winky and Sponge Bob were gay. Pat Robertson thinks that gay pride flags will cause meteors to hit Orlando. The fundamentalists actually believe that earth is only a few thousand years old. This is funny and why we laugh. It is not at their religion.
How often Chr. white males are the butt of jokes is not the point. They can be and are, even if it is laughing at their religion, which it really is in your example of Pat!
The difference is that minorities are abused and deprived of rights, liberties and justice through history. That's why mean jokes on them have a chilling xtra effect. But in essence, jokes about maj/minorities are to be held to the same standards. Intention or effect doesn't matter. Freedom of speech is just what it is.
And sure, you can critize someone for mean or bad jokes and speak about it and the effects of this kind of jokes (you can even make bad jokes or better jokes in return), but I think you went overboard on this issue with Leno. To talk about crossing the line is implying that he shouldn't have made the jokes and certainly should not make more like them and that makes it automatically an issue of free speech.
When OReilly comes on, I switch to Fox BUSINESS News and watch Judge Andrew Napolitano on "Freedom Watch." I get the news of the day and learn about the Constitution! What a deal!
It wasn't a good joke and it shows that Leno who might consider himself a supporter of gay rights (I don't know if he does or is) doesn't get what it means being put down as gay. You will see this more often, especially with liberal ppl. They just don't get it.
But I have to agree with O'Reilly on this. Even mean jokes are freedom of speech. His example of Christian white males actually is to the point even if such a joke wouldn't have the awful shivering effect as with disliked minorities
No one questioned his "right to free speech" just his responsibility for making a string of anti-gay jokes. Sorry, but the right to free speech cuts both ways - and we have a right to criticize poor taste.
I am not at all offended by Leno. He wasn't very fun, gay stereotypes is a bit old to joke about but he's a comedian and the audience was laughing. That is all it is I think.
Sorry, Wayne, there is no such thing as crossing the line, when it comes to freedom of speech.
The Gay Rights movement has devolved into campaigning for censorship, and now scrutinizing even famed comedians when they are doing exactly what they are doing.
What you are doing is essentially gay affirmative action. Are we gays a special case, a handicap group that needs special help? I think not. Best thing to do is to rise above it all and take it as what it is, a joke.
If Jay Leno said, "Look like a Jew for the camera." I would find it funny. HE'S JUST JOKING!
eminem4436 3 months ago
oh my god we can't make fun of minorities anymore in America? that's SO terrible Bill Orally - what a douche!
Claronium780 4 months ago
oreilly is a douchebag and you can clearly hear the disdane he has in his voice when introducing TWO exec director.
the1tigglet 8 months ago
The point is power abuse. Making fun of people viewed to be lesser human beings because of who they are as part of a minority is not humour it is abuse. What's being called upon is maturing of a nation. A nation's humour is a yardstick of their maturity. The Netherlands uses the guideline of "A measure of a country's civility is its treatment of minorities"
EQUINOXRF 1 year ago
umm because of freedom of speech maybe?
maxtarded 2 years ago
I actually think that everyone here had a legitimate point. Wayne was definately right in calling out people for finding mere same sex attraction on it's own to be something hilarious. He really nailed why we feel offended by this because people aren't even giving legitimate reasons for the ridicule. It's like saying "haha, your black" to someone: it's playground bullying. Jay's apology was really sincere and I do honestly think he made a legitimate mistake; it goes under our noses most times.
JadenTheCoolGuy 2 years ago
He looks cuter in the video-Wayne Besen does
NicoPalleroni 2 years ago
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Wayne Besen is a sissy faggot douchebag.
jtstevenson81 2 years ago
FUCK YOU! Wayne Besen is awesome and hot and how dare you use the "f" word!-gay jokes are funny-they're so abused and yes Bill O'Reilly is a douchebag and a prick! He can go fuck himself!
NicoPalleroni 2 years ago
leno is the most harmless person in the world...he was obviously joking around and didnt mean anything by it...anyone who is offended needs to chill the beans!! its absolutely ridiculous!!
viagragod 3 years ago 12
Drama queen..
NatSci 3 years ago
Bill Orally is a grade-A douche-bag.
erkekler 3 years ago 9
erkekler, my thoughts exactly!
burntflybog 3 years ago
I love wayne bessen!
azcolvin429 3 years ago 2
I know how to read, you just don't know how to form your thoughts in a coherent matter. Go back and read your original post and tell me that it actually makes sense. I don't want to deal with you anymore.
dbmcvey 3 years ago
Good God, I want nothing more to do with you. I misunderstood your original post because it is completely incoherent. I'm not going to deal with whose fault it is--I just really can't understand any of your posts and I'm just not going to worry about any more.
dbmcvey 3 years ago
"O Reillyboring is fucking stupid yeah idiot your made fun of cause your a prejudice bigot you asshole DUHHH wonder why!.The way it is compared to how your treated dumbass is completely different!"
Did I misread your comments above? didn't you call me "idiot," "dumbass" etc... And then you say I'm rude? You've got serious issues.
dbmcvey 3 years ago
You know, if you could form a coherent sentence I might be hurt by you calling me names. Considering you haven't matured since you were five years old I don't take your insults seriously.
dbmcvey 3 years ago
avonlonjoyous--I would respond to your comment but I can't figure out what you're trying to say. Go back and read what you wrote and tell me how you can be anything but a moron.
dbmcvey 3 years ago
My God O'Reilly is just clueless. I'm sure he still doesn't understand why he's attacked when he says something racist or bigoted--he just isn't self-reflective enough to understand why people who have been mocked and persecuted might take offense at being mocked and persecuted.
dbmcvey 3 years ago
I did not watch the show, but I saw this clip here. I'm glbt and im not offended by it. I think that sure there is a line, but the line is not black and white. For instance, most of my friends are straight, we (including I) make 'gay' jokes, base on stereotypes alone, not as individual people. I know gay actors who pole fun at gay stereotypes... we have to be able to laugh at ourselves sometimes lol like "oh thats so true!" ya know? Leno is a comedian! Idk i think some people need to relax.
mjpunk1234 3 years ago
the dressing up show! LMFAO
shadowsparadox 3 years ago
lenos an asshole but not as big a one as o'reilly
drummastajoel 3 years ago
lololol
PJRUNSTHINGS 3 years ago
Love the finger at 4:13.
smjbrady 3 years ago
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look u gays could be gay ur going to hell fuck u fags
nucken88 3 years ago
ohh, a man of great intelligence you are! (are you smart enough to at least catch the sarcasm?)
legalearthangel 3 years ago 4
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fuck you. Don't be a homophobic asshole you fucking jerk. Remove yourself from the Gene pool now!!! Fucker...
jugglefan4 3 years ago 3
Im Mexican-American. People always use jokes against us but I don't get to offended.
XMaj3sticX 3 years ago
"The dressing up show"
OMG, he is such a douche bag.
iamundinespragg 3 years ago
bill orly is a fucking hypocrite.
WretchedDrake 3 years ago
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Gays are going to burn BIGTIME in hell
madcatzy 3 years ago
And that makes you horny, doesn't it?
"Christians" tend to get frisky when they think somebody is going to hell.
GLB2Video2 3 years ago 3
I'd rather burn in hell than have to spend 15 minutes in heaven with you. That wouldn't be heaven for me.
legalearthangel 3 years ago
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fuck you. Don't be a homophobic asshole you fucking jerk. Remove yourself from the Gene pool now!!! Fucker...
jugglefan4 3 years ago
Liberal Hollywood is supposed to be friendly and supportive of gay people but in actuality they have been the leading proponents of reinforcing gay stereotypes in society by using gay people as the targets of cheap seventh grade humor on TV and in film. Wayne, you did us all a great service by confronting and clarifying this issue on national TV.
BobNJersey 3 years ago 3
The big joke is watching O'Reilly pretending to be sympathetic towards gay people, and the other times he puts on his act. Any other time, he's hopping mad when he's yapping about gay issues.
GLB2video 3 years ago 3
I don't agree that Christian white males are often the butt of jokes. What people laugh at them for are the idiotic things they often do. for example, they follow leaders like the late jerry Falwell and James Dobson who respectively thought Tinky Winky and Sponge Bob were gay. Pat Robertson thinks that gay pride flags will cause meteors to hit Orlando. The fundamentalists actually believe that earth is only a few thousand years old. This is funny and why we laugh. It is not at their religion.
wbesen 3 years ago 3
How often Chr. white males are the butt of jokes is not the point. They can be and are, even if it is laughing at their religion, which it really is in your example of Pat!
The difference is that minorities are abused and deprived of rights, liberties and justice through history. That's why mean jokes on them have a chilling xtra effect. But in essence, jokes about maj/minorities are to be held to the same standards. Intention or effect doesn't matter. Freedom of speech is just what it is.
johan1408 3 years ago
And sure, you can critize someone for mean or bad jokes and speak about it and the effects of this kind of jokes (you can even make bad jokes or better jokes in return), but I think you went overboard on this issue with Leno. To talk about crossing the line is implying that he shouldn't have made the jokes and certainly should not make more like them and that makes it automatically an issue of free speech.
johan1408 3 years ago
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When OReilly comes on, I switch to Fox BUSINESS News and watch Judge Andrew Napolitano on "Freedom Watch." I get the news of the day and learn about the Constitution! What a deal!
vechorik 3 months ago
It wasn't a good joke and it shows that Leno who might consider himself a supporter of gay rights (I don't know if he does or is) doesn't get what it means being put down as gay. You will see this more often, especially with liberal ppl. They just don't get it.
But I have to agree with O'Reilly on this. Even mean jokes are freedom of speech. His example of Christian white males actually is to the point even if such a joke wouldn't have the awful shivering effect as with disliked minorities
johan1408 3 years ago
No one questioned his "right to free speech" just his responsibility for making a string of anti-gay jokes. Sorry, but the right to free speech cuts both ways - and we have a right to criticize poor taste.
wbesen 3 years ago
@wbesen are you a queer? lol
lomeloft 1 year ago
@lomeloft so what if he is?
Claronium780 4 months ago
@Claronium780 then that would be unfortunate. missing out on the good stuff
lomeloft 4 months ago
I am not at all offended by Leno. He wasn't very fun, gay stereotypes is a bit old to joke about but he's a comedian and the audience was laughing. That is all it is I think.
alexresare 3 years ago
Sorry, Wayne, there is no such thing as crossing the line, when it comes to freedom of speech.
The Gay Rights movement has devolved into campaigning for censorship, and now scrutinizing even famed comedians when they are doing exactly what they are doing.
What you are doing is essentially gay affirmative action. Are we gays a special case, a handicap group that needs special help? I think not. Best thing to do is to rise above it all and take it as what it is, a joke.
ccheng21 3 years ago