well isn't Cyronics the same as getting a heart transplant or something like that... Because when you switch hearts then you live longer.. When you switch bodies isn't it the same? Because people say when God calls you you should go... But when you agree to get a heart transplant isn't that the same as refusing to die when your time has come? IT's the same with Cyronics isn't it?
@piccachi9498 It's kind of the same idea. We consider both medical procedures designed to prolong life. After cryonic suspension, you may or may not get a new body. If yes, it will probably be a clone of your old body, perhaps with some improvements. Heart transplants are accepted, and are saving lives now. Cryonics is yet unproven, and won't be until the first "cryonaut" is revived.
@piccachi9498 weither you believe in God or not is irrelevant to heart transplants and cryonics. However, Perhaps God gave us the intelligence to create and accept transplants and cryonics. So that accepting them is not refusing god but accepting the gift of extended life. My God wants me to embrace live not death. No one knows when it is thier time to die so the wisest course of action is to attempt to live long and healthy by what ever means provided to you. Cryonics thus makes sense.
...just as an Atheist or a Christian can agree that CPR is a good practice and medical attension to the sick and needy is a warrented and worthy goal. Cryonics is the same in this regard you dont need to agree on everything to see that it is a worthy and humane endeavor.
Why do people follow a book written 2,000 years ago in the bronze age? In which it is full of many contradictions, inconsistencies, inaccuracies, flaws and errors? The Bible is wrong about many things. The way it describes the Earth is laughable and the way it describes rain is so laughable that it's actually sad. Somethings I wonder about the human race and how the pillars of our wisdom have crumbled into the dust, time and time again.
@aprox23 I have found that it is easier to relate to people on the areas of common interest such as cryonics and preserving life rather then to try and change or ridicule thier fundamental belief systems. For Instance, a liberal and a conservative can agree that they value thier own personal liberty. Neither wants to be pushed around by a fat cat CEO or a fat cat gov Beaurocrat. There is common ground and universal understanding amoung people with otherwise different philosophies.
Sorry for starting the discussion I understand now that I have to respect ur point of view it was wrong for posting it on comment page thank you DKO526 for helping me understand that you can be Christian and be into
@BradyHazy I accept your apology. Not a misspell; Cryogenics is a valid word, but means general science of cold temperatures. Cryonics is a new word which refers specifically to preserving the legally deceased in hopes of reviving them someday using future science.
@BradyHazy I am glad you can respect the cryonics point of view. People who believe in and understand the science of cryonics come in many different stripes...from Christian to Atheist to everything in between. From libertarian to socialist and everything in between as well but they all agree on the logical rational of cryonics. Its much like the idea of CPR and defibulation. When you need CPR, the rescue workers political or relgious affiliation or yours for that matter is simply a non issue.
@BradyHazy even Jesus said we are to...."Raise the dead" Mathew 10:8..You can be a Christian and be in cryonics. Many are..in fact, the bible even promotes it. Since your body is the temple of god you are expected to treat life as a gift to be cherished and extended by good living and by using the gift of knowledge that is medicine, diet, exercise and even cryonics. If it works then those who chose not to are commiting suicide .....a grave sin in almost all religions...so consider these things!
Why would u want to live forever its the circle of life and the way god wanted it if god wanted us to make us live forever he would have but no so stop trying that could be the ultimate sin and cause the end of the world as we know it cause god would get mad
@BradyHazy Ignorance and superstition. How do you know what God wants? Or that He even exists? If God wanted us to fly He would have given us wings. I don't care what God wants. I want to live as long as possible.
Cryonics may not work, but it's not a "con." The people who run the cryonics societies are mostly signed up to be preserved themselves. The officers and board members of the American Cryonics Society serve without pay, except for our office assistant. It's arrogant of pufnstuf (how appropriate) to presume what may or not be possible in the future. If the scientists in the future are unable to revive you without a lot of brain damage, they they will leave you frozen until a solution is found.
A huge con. It's not impossible or unthinkable that this may eventually be possible, but there's no chance anyone frozen under the techniques of today or yesterday will ever possibly be brought to life again, and I don't think most of them would want to live with the brain damage.
Really this is superstition and bullshit being sold as science just because it has a base with scientific theory. But if it's impossible, and it costs a lot of money, it sounds too much like "heaven".
At 2:47 He sounds like an echo from the past..We are the center of the world, the world is flat, witches exist, we will never transplant hearts, never transfuse blood, never transplant organs, generate cells, grow hearts, grow organs..and of course this jackass's comment. Some of us just can't open our minds, and the rest of us simply move on in our exploration.
@yehuda420 Please go to our website for membership information and an application. Apparently I'm not allowed to give the URL here, but you can Google American Cryonics Society.
Science is already working on building new organs, and has succeeded in building some simple ones, like a bladder. So I think 5011 is pretty pessimistic. Destruction of your frozen remains is a risk, but compare to the alternative of burning up or rotting in the ground. Giving your money to your children or other greedy relatives is sure better for them, but not for you.
@EdgarSwank and if you live via cryonics then you can provide much more money, love and time for your relatives in your new life post cryonics if your family's benefit is your ultimate goal. cryonics is a win win scenario unless your family really just wants you gone forever!!!!
@DK0526 Possibly true, but doesn't apply to me. My parents are dead and unfrozen, I haven't heard from my sister in years. Never did like her much. My wife has not made any arrangements for cryonics. I expect to make new friends post-cryonics.
@EdgarSwank I am sorry to hear that....I hope your wife comes along some day. It took me a while to convince mine but now she is fully on board and embraces the concept....so don't give up on her! Good luck!
If I could build new organs, I would never die. But It is easy to say it in words. What about making that idea realized? The answer could be found in 5011. What about if something destroy the body containers?
It's better you give your money to your children or somebody else.
@HitMusicX Stem cell science is building organs now. In much less the 3000 yrs we should have working Molecular nanotech to revive cryonics patients. Something could destroy the body containers sure maybe, or maybe not. No one knows but one thing is certain..if you never try and you get buried or cremated then you will never know. At least with cryonics theres a chance with burial your sh1t out of luck with a garantee of no comming back to life!!!
Most people signed up for Cryonics provide additional funding to cover post-suspension expenses. ACS does manage funds provided by and dedicated to individual members in suspension. Or people can establish their own trusts. Another possibility might be some future charity. We anticipate that post-suspension expenses will decrease as the technology improves over time.
@stinkylettuce pressumably molecular nanotechnology will reduce everything to very very cheap..since at that point man would have near perfect control over all matter. This is not so far off and many believe this time to be in about 50 years if you follow the laws of accelerating returns or even moores law which is a smaller part of that. Also even small abouts of cash assets managed by the cryonics orgs will grow via compounding interest on modest investments.
@JBieberSwaggas They all legally died first which is not the same as absolute physical death. They had no choice at that point since no surrent medicine could help them and they are hoping that future medicine will be more advanced then it is now and that they will be repaired and awoken via molecular nanotechnology.
But, if the process injuries the brain and organs, how can you bring them back to life? And can the same be said for ppl who are pronounced clinically dead and be brought back to life?That is if the technology is invented...
@fromstart2finish If only one cell in trillions survives cryonics and its very likely many more then one will then you have enough information to currently clone or revert back to multipotent stemcells. Just think how much further we will be in 100 or more yrs. The brain is trickier. It all depends on how much structure survives which is directly related to how fast you are found and cryopreserved. Time/Temperature. The more saved the better. Lost structure is lost information. Which is memory.
Excuse my ignorance but what do you mean by a simulation of reality inside a computer which includes your preserved memories? Sorry for my stupidity on this subject. I get the feeling I'm not your nerves.
@67nairb Hard to explain well in this limited space. The brain is like a computer, made up of interconnected logic elements (neurons) and with inputs and outputs (nerves). It also contains programming of some kind and data storage (memories). If we take the brain out of the body and hook up all the nerves to a computer, the computer could duplicate the sense the outputs and duplicate the inputs to emulate a virtual reality. Going further, suppose we gradually substitute the brains neurons with
electronic logic elements, programmed to duplicate the neurons function. After a while we have a "brain" made up only of electronics. We argue that this brain can duplicate all the functions of an organic brain, and so a person can live inside an electronic brain in a simulated environment.
@AmericanCryonicsSoc The only problem is, how do you preserve the "you" that makes you you......... if you catch my drift? Wouldnt you need to extract the brain peice that makes "you"???
@motleycruesader I believe that your memories tell you who you are when you wake up in the morning. If someone else had your memories, they would think they were you, until they looked in a mirror. Just how memories are encoded is an evolving subject of study. What Cryonics does is use the best technology available in each to preserve your whole brain. We have to leave to future science to try to reclaim the encoded memories.
@AmericanCryonicsSoc So would I be right in assuming that "you" does not exist and we are really just information... so we are really a million people from one second to the next? We just feel like the same old "us"???
LOL fun topic!! And there I was hoping I would never have to "die"
@motleycruesader Yes, the essence of "you" is just information, we believe, but that doesn't mean "you" doesn't exist! "You" is a dynamic entity, at least while you're alive, constantly changing. But there is enough continuity that we recognize ourselves and others as the same persons from minute to minute and even year to year.
@motleycruesader modern neuro science says that the"you" or mind is a composite software program that runs on an ever changing morphing peice of wet hardware called the brain. The synaptic structure of the brain encodes your exclusive information pattern. Cryonics serves to preserve this pattern and its structure along with enough DNA to reform, fix, replace, or heal your existing body into a youthful healthy you with your mind intact and ready to awake to a new world and future time if you wish
@67nairb check out mind uploading on wikipedia...it is just one proposed way of cryonics patient revival. Others involve direct molecular nanotechnology to repair the existing body and/or cell by cell stemcell clonning or regeneration. There are several approaches and no one is sure which will win out.
and nobody thought ahead ''hey ....what if they drop me and i shatter''....i mean seriously.....and why the fuck would you want to wake up...at 90......again.....fuck.....
@onemanjazzfuneral Drop and shatter is a concern, so precautions are taken and careful handling is the rule. Nobody's been dropped yet. And I've said here before, if you died and were suspended at 90, you would not be re-animated until there was a cure for old age as well as whatever killed you.
@Anon12356 You are quibbling over definitions. By that logic, AIDS isn't a disease either. Neither will kill you, but will make you less able to resist other diseases, until one of them kills you.
@Anon12356 Disease (definition) "An abnormal condition of the body or mind that causes discomfort or dysfunction" We might dispute whether old age is an "abnormal" condition. It is with respect to the population at large. It certainly fits the remainder of the definition.
There's a whole medical specialty, Gerontology, devoted to the study and treatment of old age.
@XionXXXX You may be able to get to the future the regular way, without dying, if medical science advances fast enough. Suspension funding starts at $33,000, which most people can fund with life insurance very affordably.
@67nairb You're probably right. I was just going by when the clip was added to Youtube. I really don't have any record handy of the date of the original broadcast.
@AmericanCryonicsSoc Well one thing's for certain the broadcast wasn't from 2008 unless that Jennings's clone-LOL. What person famous or not famous would you want crogenically frozen and brought back to life if such a practice were possible today?
@AmericanCryonicsSoc Both kinds of people. Four people for whom I knew personally are my two deceased friends Donald & Michael and my two grandfathers. For celebrities it would be a whole list of people including the 3 Stooges, Laurel & Hardy, Mel Blanc, Daws Butler, Paul Frees, Don Messick; animators Wiliam Hanna, Joseph Barbera, Tex Avery, Chuck Jones and Friz Freleng; actors Laurence Olivier, George Burns, Bob Hope, and Lucille Ball to name just a few.
@AmericanCryonicsSoc I would also like to see journalists Peter Jennings, Frank Reynolds, Max Robinson, Tim Russert, Walter Cronkite, and Edward R. Murrow cryogenically frozen.
@67nairb Thanks for sharing your list. It might be comforting to speculate that, in a virtual reality, or as androids in actual reality, your friends and favorite celebrities, or at least what you remember of them and what can be reconstructed from historical records and other remnants from the past, can rejoin you in the future, whether they were suspended or not.
@67nairb A few years ago, I looked up my high school and college friends, went to a HS reunion, traveled to visit some of them. But they had changed, as, I suppose, had I, and I found I no longer had much in common with them.
@AmericanCryonicsSoc Other celebrities I'd like to cryogenically freeze are Princess Diana, Elvis Presley, jounalist and historian Wlliam L. Shirer, radio personality and commentator Paul Harvey, Walt Disney, most of the deceased Our Gang kids, our forefathers Washington, Adams, Jefferson, and Franklin, to name just a few. Now that's quite a combination isn't it?
@67nairb I might agree on Walt Disney. I recall feeling sad when his death was announced. But I'm over it now. Also the founding fathers, especially Franklin, who made remarks about being preserved to see the future. Maybe we can get them via time travel rescue or by approximate historical reconstruction. Shirer was before my time. I won't miss any of the others.
@AmericanCryonicsSoc You don't miss Lucille Ball, Bob Hope, George Burns, Laurel & Hardy, the Three Stooges, Mel Blanc or any of the others I've mentioned in my post? You wouldn't want to see them raised from the dead?
@67nairb I don't miss them very much. It might be interesting, if they could be revived or reconstructed, to see if they could come up with any new material. I would not be surprised if they had a hard time making a comeback. I might add Benny Hill to your list.
@AmericanCryonicsSoc Yes you could add Benny Hill to my list-lol. But I take it you are not a fan of Lucille Ball, Bob Hope, George Burns, Laurel & Hardy or the 3 Stooges.
@67nairb No. Not even a real fan of Benny Hill now. I can recall watching and enjoying all of them years ago. MAYBE I'd enjoy them again if they were revived, but I don't much think so. They would have to come up with good new material, not just repeat their old routines.
@67nairb I would defintely like to see Peter Jennings cryogenically frozen and see him raised from the dead years from now. Jennings died of lung cancer at the age of 67. But he didn't look 67; he had a youthful face and was very handsome. Someone that young and handsome should not die of cancer and also Peter Jennings had been in the tv news business for 40 years and we saw him everyday as anchorman of ABC's WORLD NEWS TONIGHT his sudden death came as such a shock to me.
@67nairb A simulation of reality inside a computer, which includes your preserved memories and any other information making up your "self." Some speculate that this is already the case; It's impossible to prove otherwise.
@EcoFascist You started out (at birth) not knowing anything. Are you just a burden? We became educated once, I expect we can do it again, if necessary. I'm retired now, and I'm giving extra money to American Cryonics which will grow with compound interest and they can give it back when I'm revived. So I can stay retired. Or maybe they will set us up in an isolated community like today's Colonial Williamsburg and we will be a tourist attraction.
@9N8X then you are against medicine, doctors, medical procedures, diet and exercise. which all try in their small way to cure death or at least to extend life what is ultimately what cryonics does to extend life not cure death because immortality or the cure for death infers forever which is meaningless but to extend life by many years even hundreds has always been a goal of rational human beings.
@9N8X I dont think it is possible to live forever because the laws of probability say that something will get to you eventually ie star goes supernova. But to your point of overpopulation mathematically a population that drastically slows down its new births is better then a population that dies but has many children. Slowing death promotes linear growth having children is exponential growth especially when the children have more. As for resources, a technology powerful enough to revive people>>
>>>to revive people would by default be powerful enough to open up the whole universe and all its resources. Molecular Nanotechnology is one such example. The ability to manipulate millions of molecules with atomic precision would give people both the ability to revive cryonics patients and to completely manipulate the matter of the earth and universe. This would be akin to the most powerful non poluting sources of energy with zero polution or unlimited food again with zero waste.
....ethier you never develope Nanotech to revive patients and clean the world and all the benefits that that would entail or you do develope it and recieve the whole package deal. You dont get one without the other...it just wouldnt make sense as a matter of technology and physics. What the cryonics crowd is saying is that people will live very very long and have almost magical like power. It may sound far fetched but it is perfectly reasonable if you understand moores law and molecular nanotech
this is just a fraud. the technology right now can't freeze body with out damage of the tissues. So in short every body frozen today are good for incineration or tomb. Nano technology can repair damage, give me a break obvioulsy those people don't what nano technology is.
@ulujm Your remarks are untrue and slandrous. There is no fraud. We freely acknowledge that we can't freeze anyone without sufficient damage that TODAY'S technology can't revive him. But no-one, definitely including YOU, can be sure what will or won't be possible in the future. We don't know what technology the future may offer, but nanotechnology, which has the potential to make repairs at the molecular level, is a good candidate.
@ulujm Let me add that no-one is getting rich off of cryonics. The American Cryonics Society and Cryonics Institute are both non-profit. The Board and officers of ACS serve without pay. A part-time office assistant is our only regular paid employee.
@ulujm and if you understood nanotechnology you'd understand that the difference between 90 yrs old and 25 is ultimately the arrangement of the organsms constituent molecules as is damaged vs undamaged tissue. Which means a 90 yr old could be both repaired and age reversed using molecular sized robots to rearrange the organisms material arrangment. You would also know that you dont need the nanotechnology now but in some distant future of 50 to 500,000 yrs to do the job provided they are frozen
i heard that Walt Disney is frozen but dunno if its true and why would these ppl want to come back say if their brought back to life in 100 years from now all their loved ones would be gone and they might not like the world so what will they do kill themselfs they cant go back in time
@freacls We think Walt Disney is not frozen. Urban legend. I expect people will not be revived without some kind of rehabilitation program. In general, life is better now than 100 years ago, so why wouldn't we expect it to be better than now in 100 years?
@AmericanCryonicsSoc wow. im wondering if you could actually be pulled out of eternity to be unfrozen. it looks wrong but im not one to think scientific research is wrong. if it were possible i would say they would just be a brain and wouldnt really do anything, for without a soul you wouldnt have a will. i dont know, but it sure is cool.
@EliteDWB Not pulled out of "eternity" whatever that might mean. Just information restored that was hopefully preserved by freezing one at legal death. We believe "just your brain," if not too badly damaged, IS you and contains all the information necessary to restore you to your former self or better. "Soul" is a religious not a scientific concept. We think your "mind" is just your brain's memories and programming, and "will" is just an emergent property of that programming.
there is a difference in time between the earth and hubble due to gravity and it needs to be recalibrated but that difference is minescule and has no barring on time travel. also There is no bodies up in the hubble telescope...its just not practical or realistic.
@USAHOAX No. Never heard anything about this. I don't think Hubble is very safe. Its orbit is likely to decay over hundreds of years, vulnerable to meteor strikes, etc.
@EdgarSwank It's orbit decays, but how would that affect the inside of the telescope? The only thing they have to do is reset the clocks because of the time travel effect.
@DK0526 No, I swear look up why they have to reset the clocks in the Hubble telescope. Something orbiting the Earth like the Hubble telescope affects the very fabric of time.
@USAHOAX My statement, "Not at all, until it re-enters the atmosphere and burns up or impacts the earth." referred back to your question, "It's orbit decays, but how would that affect the inside of the telescope? The only thing they have to do is reset the clocks because of the time travel effect."
@1rescen1 By that logic no one should go to the doctor, take medicine, eat right, exercise, or quit smoking. Since to do so is greedy and may extend ones life.
There's a few things that i'm skeptical about. What if the cryonics organizations go out of business? Surely the bodies will be buried? If there is a cure for what the patient died of, how would we know that they will be operated on to reverse what happened?
@lun321 We can't guarantee that any of those negative possibilities won't occur. The future is uncertain. All we can offer you is a chance at extended life. We do what we can and that's all we can do. Many of us provide additional funding so we hopefully won't be dependent on charity or government for revival and sustenance.
@lun321 Also Cryonics organizations are less like a business and more like a trust. These type of entities tend to outlast traditional business because there is a long term vested interest that goes beyond a CEO's life time. But there is no garantees in life or Cryonics other then the garantee that if you die and do not sign up for cryonics that you will not be given a chance at future medicine and technology. We arent sure if cryonics will work although we can deduce that it will.
To actually survive death and be revived in the future you would have many hurdles to overcome. First you would have to be frozen soon after your death to be preserved in a good enough condition. Second you would need to be allowed to stay in a cryonic state according to the law and those who are hell bent on ending your stasis by law. Third you will need to be revived successfully which is not that simple. So far that is impossible and no one knows if it will ever be possible. Good luck!
@whathoney73 Thanks for your good wishes! We don't currently know how soon might be "soon enough." It depends on at what point too much information from your brain becomes irretrievable. Legal risk is also unknown, but it seems to decrease the longer an individual patient remains suspended. So far the Uniform Anatomical Gift Act seems to be working well for us. You're correct that no one knows what may be possible in the future. But your chances seem better frozen than buried or cremated.
@9N8X I think someone would, at least the first few. They would be of immense scientific and popular interest. However, in most cases, persons signing up for cryonic suspension provide additional funding which can grow exponentially and fund their own reanimations.
@9N8X absolutly, on many different levels. First humanitarian ...a live is a live
second for hisorical and scientific reasons, third to know ones ancient family and heritage...and on and on. Could you imagine bringing back Washington, Eeinstein or Motzart. It is a tradgedy that great minds are allowed to die and rot!
I'm not saying that I believe this will ever work but if you were to go back to the time where your grandparents or even parents were small children and tell someone that you will be able to take out someones heart and put it in someone elses body they would think you were clinically insane. Nobody knows what the future will bring and it's ignorant to say that anything is impossible...
@thebeatledude so true, i agree, i think we need not to be concerned and i dont think we should know what the future holds because stuff like cryonics scares ppl and simply technology scares ppl. i think the odds of this working is high because back then they probably couldnt even grasp the concept of a heart transplant lol
lets say they will live again in the future, for 5, 10, 15, 20 years. and then what? why does other people can't accept the fact that we we're all gonna die, why don't they trust God's plan instead of relying on their own cognitive.
Well, I'd be glad for an extra 5-20 years, since usually being alive is better than being dead. If you don't agree, there's the exit. But we expect that future science will, one way or another, be able to keep us alive for hundreds or even thousands of years. If we'd followed God's plan we'd still be living in caves and dying at 30. F--k God's plan.
@AmericanCryonicsSoc fuck gods plan? if we followed gods plan we would live to be older and no we wouldnt live in caves, the bible says nothin about u must live in caves, i was interested in this subject but u totally turned me off, i love science and biology but ur biterness is horrible, god tells us what we should eat and not eat and what activities to take part in, and i live by the bible and i have never been sick since i started doing this about 10 years ago, not even a cold
@AmericanCryonicsSoc well i dont think after 10years its luck when i havent had a cold or any sickness at all. well ur sciene is more like superstition and false hope, u believe in somethin that doesnt work? lol but my religion is ignorance and superstition? u want to freeze ppl and hope they find a way to bring them back to life? thats not logical, how about we prevent natural death by living healthy and then u want have to freeze urself hoping someone finds a way to bring u back.
You have to understand that some cryonisists are atheists and some are not. Its the same with doctors some are christian, jewish, muslim or atheist. I happen to believe in cryonics and see nothing in the bible that contradicts it...in fact I see much that supports it. Christ commanded his disciples to "Heal the sick, cleanse the lepers, raise the dead. . . ." (Matt. 10:8) And there is much more but the fact is if you support medicine you should support cryonics wiether you are religious or not.
@DK0526 no i have nothing agaisnt cryonics its just that hes an asshole lol, yes the bible says nothin bad about this practice, i have lots of atheist friends which is weird because i believe in god but they arent angry saying fuck gods plan u know they are cool about it, so if ur going to do a vid on cryonics just do a vid on cryonics and dont even talk about god, its starts a fight u know
I have tried to stress that cryonics is neither political or religious one way or the other. It is very much cutting edge medicine. We dont ask if you are about to recieve a heart transplant what your philosophical affiliations are. It really doesnt matter...what matters is that we are trying to save lifes and advance science. As such we need as much support as possible and thier is no reason to recruit resentment from the masses. Cryonisists are in a super minority and need not rock the boat.
If some one has a question about it in regards to religion or politics I will attempt to answer though. What is your interest in cryonics?...do you have any questions? I have been involved with cryonics for many years and I as you can see enjoy talking about and debating the scientific feesablity of this idea. I have nothing personally to gain by convincing anyone other then mainstream acceptance and possibly future friends if it works someday.
@DK0526 nope i dont have any questions yet, i understand cryonics, the reason i was watchin is because i want to know if the human body could be converted using alternative materials, like we know the heart can be replaced but i wanted to know if there is a alternative to blood or could u subsitute human body parts for robotics, the whole idea of life after death or transforming our bodies excites me, like that new movie repo men. i would want to convert my blood and organs
I think there is strong evidence that we are not the material we are made of but the information encoded within the material. We are soft ware inside hardware or bio-wetware. This is demonstrated by the fact that our brains physically swap out molecules in everyday life as we eat plant/animal matter and slough out material. What remains is a string of almost the same but different and changing mind code on new matter. The brain does a swap out about every 2 months.
So you are not physically the same 5mins from now then you were...you have physically changed as your nuerons and synapses have done a little rewiring. Also after 2 months even the same memories you have are now represented by different molecules that have been swaped out. Yet you still feel like you. But you are different, Its certain that you are. This gives credibility to the mind uploading theories but introduces paradoxs.. what would happen if there was 2 copies? I suspect divergent minds
@DK0526 wow very interesting see this is the type of things i wanted to talk and here more about, i wouldnt want to mess with my brain though lol thats the only thing i wouldnt touch, ive been doing research and there is a blood alternative which its red and white blood cells perform the same task as our cells do now, im just looking at how our organs can be replaced without losing its intended functions, call me crazy but im a dreamer, i will build a prototype of our organs and see if its possi
It must be possible if we can clone a sheep then a human is just a technicality. (more moral/legal) If you can do a human you can do the humans parts and thats what adult multipotent stem cell research is all about. Its your own parts. Currently we need some sort of structural scaffolding. We can grow cell in a petri dish which works for skin not whole organs like a heart. They are harvesting donor cadavor parts for the scaffolding now but I would guess that will change as we learn more tricks.
"wouldnt want to mess with brain" I agree if you can keep what you got young and healthy that seems better then swapping out. If it were possible to scan and make a perfect copy of my brain/mind then upload it..that being would believe he was me in every sense of the meaning but It wouldnt make me feel any better as I slowly died watching my alter ego take over. Yet in a sense I have already been replaced every 2months via molecular swap out and the physical changes that occur via life itself!
It is hard to wrap your mind around it. It is disturbing when you try to rationalize it. But the idea is that we are simply information the soul/mind or what ever is not physical it is a pattern represented by the tangle of synapses. like scratches in a LP, magnetic patterns on a casette or a bianary code on a disk. The info is constantly erasing and rewriting to the base code and the material that carries it is changing constantly. It is fair to say we have died and lived every moment we exist.
@DK0526 oh i read a report that in asia they used nano tech to grow basically a cell to go through the blood veins and clear them of plaque but they only last for about a hour, and they are biodegradable so it dies in u, yea they should create a center where u have ur body or parts of ur body harvested, that would make a killing. it has to be possible, we have so much tech its crazy but asia is ahead of us, we need to step it up
@DK0526 wow wow wow wow, i take back what i said, if this was in 2007 i wonder how far they have gotten now? im blown away, if we all knew our genetic code we could end diease and make cures. its so true we are so focused on war and money and stuff that we let the media blind us from the info we really need to know, i think genomics is the most vaulable info we will ever need. that was amazing info, thanks. u know of any more videos like this?
you bet I have been collecting info like this over 20 yrs. And I live for sharing it with other intelligent people who can appreciate the power of this message. Try doing a U tube search on Ralph Merkle big thinkers...This will really blow your mind...He is attempting to explain the comming era of molecular nanotechnology that will change everything we ever thought about our future. The try Ray Kurzweils accelerating technology and get back to me...I love it when people appreciate this stuff.
@DK0526 hey ive been real busy but thanks for sending the vids ive only had time to watch one but thanks if u have more please send them cause i love this stuff, it makes u think and u can see what the future may hold, thanks
@9N8X I'm a confirmed Atheist, but seems we have some common ground. Cryonics is basically a medical procedure, and shouldn't have any more conflict with religion than medicine in general.
CI has some kind of chapter, and local support from a mortuary for initial processing, in the UK. But there is no storage facility in the UK, so you would be stored in Michigan, USA. You would have to pay a few thousand $'s extra to be prepared locally and shipped to Michigan. ACS has a joint membership program with CI, so we can supplement their service, especially if you have extra money you want to be there when you're revived.
What's the pointy in freezing yourself at the age of 90 ? she's going to live what another year after she's brought back to life ? id wanna get frozen now at the age of 20 and get brought bak in like 900 years that would be fuckin kick ass =D
We believe that in the future science will be able to "cure" or reverse old age. Until it does, you're right that someone age 90 at suspension shouldn't be revived yet.
at 20 you may live to see technology advance to a point were ageing is stoped or reversed and even those of us who believe in cryonics understand that it might not work. But if your 90 and dead by todays standards then you have nothing to lose..in fact in order to bring someone back from a frozen deanimated state you will need a powerful technology that would be almost certainly able to reverse aging and almost any disease or trauma. look up molecular nanotechnology.
Have they tested this on animals? i can't find any analysis on this. If it works on animals it could "work" on animals. I fear an outcome like the 80's movie the "Re-Animator", where the previously dead come back retarded or not normal?
There have been no tests where animals have been reduced to LN2 temperatures and been revived. Even the best procedures we know of still cause too much damage for present technology to revive any person or animal from LN2. However,it's routine to store sperm and eggs at LN2, and then use them to produce healthy children. So we hope that future technology will be able to revive people frozen to LN2 with today's technology.
well isn't Cyronics the same as getting a heart transplant or something like that... Because when you switch hearts then you live longer.. When you switch bodies isn't it the same? Because people say when God calls you you should go... But when you agree to get a heart transplant isn't that the same as refusing to die when your time has come? IT's the same with Cyronics isn't it?
piccachi9498 2 weeks ago
@piccachi9498 It's kind of the same idea. We consider both medical procedures designed to prolong life. After cryonic suspension, you may or may not get a new body. If yes, it will probably be a clone of your old body, perhaps with some improvements. Heart transplants are accepted, and are saving lives now. Cryonics is yet unproven, and won't be until the first "cryonaut" is revived.
AmericanCryonicsSoc 2 weeks ago
@piccachi9498 weither you believe in God or not is irrelevant to heart transplants and cryonics. However, Perhaps God gave us the intelligence to create and accept transplants and cryonics. So that accepting them is not refusing god but accepting the gift of extended life. My God wants me to embrace live not death. No one knows when it is thier time to die so the wisest course of action is to attempt to live long and healthy by what ever means provided to you. Cryonics thus makes sense.
DK0526 2 weeks ago
...just as an Atheist or a Christian can agree that CPR is a good practice and medical attension to the sick and needy is a warrented and worthy goal. Cryonics is the same in this regard you dont need to agree on everything to see that it is a worthy and humane endeavor.
DK0526 2 months ago
@bradyhazy I pity people like you. Next time you telepathically communicate with the "creator" of the universe ask him/her/it for a individual mind.
aprox23 2 months ago
Why do people follow a book written 2,000 years ago in the bronze age? In which it is full of many contradictions, inconsistencies, inaccuracies, flaws and errors? The Bible is wrong about many things. The way it describes the Earth is laughable and the way it describes rain is so laughable that it's actually sad. Somethings I wonder about the human race and how the pillars of our wisdom have crumbled into the dust, time and time again.
aprox23 2 months ago
@aprox23 I have found that it is easier to relate to people on the areas of common interest such as cryonics and preserving life rather then to try and change or ridicule thier fundamental belief systems. For Instance, a liberal and a conservative can agree that they value thier own personal liberty. Neither wants to be pushed around by a fat cat CEO or a fat cat gov Beaurocrat. There is common ground and universal understanding amoung people with otherwise different philosophies.
DK0526 2 months ago
This is amazing!
xXxMcAngelxXx 2 months ago
3000 A.D here i come :)
Clone683 2 months ago
Sorry for starting the discussion I understand now that I have to respect ur point of view it was wrong for posting it on comment page thank you DKO526 for helping me understand that you can be Christian and be into
Cryogenics. And by the way cyberbully was a typo.
BradyHazy 4 months ago
@BradyHazy I accept your apology. Not a misspell; Cryogenics is a valid word, but means general science of cold temperatures. Cryonics is a new word which refers specifically to preserving the legally deceased in hopes of reviving them someday using future science.
AmericanCryonicsSoc 4 months ago
@BradyHazy I am glad you can respect the cryonics point of view. People who believe in and understand the science of cryonics come in many different stripes...from Christian to Atheist to everything in between. From libertarian to socialist and everything in between as well but they all agree on the logical rational of cryonics. Its much like the idea of CPR and defibulation. When you need CPR, the rescue workers political or relgious affiliation or yours for that matter is simply a non issue.
DK0526 2 months ago
You're the one who started this discussion. If you want to call someone names, better learn to spell them first. It's cyberbully.
AmericanCryonicsSoc 4 months ago
You big ciberbully that's not very nice
BradyHazy 4 months ago
Also if u ask me its a waste of their birthday money
BradyHazy 4 months ago
Plus why would you want to live forever life is horrible right now I rather be up their with god
BradyHazy 4 months ago
@BradyHazy Maybe your life is horrible. Mine is rather pleasant. If you want to "go to God," I wouldn't dream of trying to stop you.
AmericanCryonicsSoc 4 months ago
Well aren't you a little athiest then I don't know bout you but I'm a Christian
BradyHazy 4 months ago
@BradyHazy even Jesus said we are to...."Raise the dead" Mathew 10:8..You can be a Christian and be in cryonics. Many are..in fact, the bible even promotes it. Since your body is the temple of god you are expected to treat life as a gift to be cherished and extended by good living and by using the gift of knowledge that is medicine, diet, exercise and even cryonics. If it works then those who chose not to are commiting suicide .....a grave sin in almost all religions...so consider these things!
DK0526 4 months ago
Why would u want to live forever its the circle of life and the way god wanted it if god wanted us to make us live forever he would have but no so stop trying that could be the ultimate sin and cause the end of the world as we know it cause god would get mad
BradyHazy 4 months ago
@BradyHazy Ignorance and superstition. How do you know what God wants? Or that He even exists? If God wanted us to fly He would have given us wings. I don't care what God wants. I want to live as long as possible.
AmericanCryonicsSoc 4 months ago 4
Cryonics may not work, but it's not a "con." The people who run the cryonics societies are mostly signed up to be preserved themselves. The officers and board members of the American Cryonics Society serve without pay, except for our office assistant. It's arrogant of pufnstuf (how appropriate) to presume what may or not be possible in the future. If the scientists in the future are unable to revive you without a lot of brain damage, they they will leave you frozen until a solution is found.
AmericanCryonicsSoc 4 months ago
A huge con. It's not impossible or unthinkable that this may eventually be possible, but there's no chance anyone frozen under the techniques of today or yesterday will ever possibly be brought to life again, and I don't think most of them would want to live with the brain damage.
Really this is superstition and bullshit being sold as science just because it has a base with scientific theory. But if it's impossible, and it costs a lot of money, it sounds too much like "heaven".
AMpufnstuf 5 months ago
At 2:47 He sounds like an echo from the past..We are the center of the world, the world is flat, witches exist, we will never transplant hearts, never transfuse blood, never transplant organs, generate cells, grow hearts, grow organs..and of course this jackass's comment. Some of us just can't open our minds, and the rest of us simply move on in our exploration.
forrestmunden 6 months ago 3
@forrestmunden His producer urged him not to do what? Be preserved, or make a joke about being preserved?
Aphradonis 6 months ago
I can be your patient,
yehuda420 6 months ago
@yehuda420 Please go to our website for membership information and an application. Apparently I'm not allowed to give the URL here, but you can Google American Cryonics Society.
AmericanCryonicsSoc 6 months ago
Science is already working on building new organs, and has succeeded in building some simple ones, like a bladder. So I think 5011 is pretty pessimistic. Destruction of your frozen remains is a risk, but compare to the alternative of burning up or rotting in the ground. Giving your money to your children or other greedy relatives is sure better for them, but not for you.
EdgarSwank 7 months ago
@EdgarSwank and if you live via cryonics then you can provide much more money, love and time for your relatives in your new life post cryonics if your family's benefit is your ultimate goal. cryonics is a win win scenario unless your family really just wants you gone forever!!!!
DK0526 6 months ago
@DK0526 Possibly true, but doesn't apply to me. My parents are dead and unfrozen, I haven't heard from my sister in years. Never did like her much. My wife has not made any arrangements for cryonics. I expect to make new friends post-cryonics.
EdgarSwank 6 months ago
@EdgarSwank I am sorry to hear that....I hope your wife comes along some day. It took me a while to convince mine but now she is fully on board and embraces the concept....so don't give up on her! Good luck!
DK0526 6 months ago
If I could build new organs, I would never die. But It is easy to say it in words. What about making that idea realized? The answer could be found in 5011. What about if something destroy the body containers?
It's better you give your money to your children or somebody else.
HitMusicX 7 months ago
@HitMusicX Stem cell science is building organs now. In much less the 3000 yrs we should have working Molecular nanotech to revive cryonics patients. Something could destroy the body containers sure maybe, or maybe not. No one knows but one thing is certain..if you never try and you get buried or cremated then you will never know. At least with cryonics theres a chance with burial your sh1t out of luck with a garantee of no comming back to life!!!
DK0526 6 months ago
Most people signed up for Cryonics provide additional funding to cover post-suspension expenses. ACS does manage funds provided by and dedicated to individual members in suspension. Or people can establish their own trusts. Another possibility might be some future charity. We anticipate that post-suspension expenses will decrease as the technology improves over time.
AmericanCryonicsSoc 10 months ago
Who covers the medical bills for the future resurrection? Do someones assets get managed until the time comes?
stinkylettuce 10 months ago
@stinkylettuce pressumably molecular nanotechnology will reduce everything to very very cheap..since at that point man would have near perfect control over all matter. This is not so far off and many believe this time to be in about 50 years if you follow the laws of accelerating returns or even moores law which is a smaller part of that. Also even small abouts of cash assets managed by the cryonics orgs will grow via compounding interest on modest investments.
DK0526 6 months ago
Those 90 people just gave up or did they die and then were put in freezing? Or Cryogen.
JBieberSwaggas 1 year ago
@JBieberSwaggas They all legally died first which is not the same as absolute physical death. They had no choice at that point since no surrent medicine could help them and they are hoping that future medicine will be more advanced then it is now and that they will be repaired and awoken via molecular nanotechnology.
DK0526 1 year ago
@DK0526
But, if the process injuries the brain and organs, how can you bring them back to life? And can the same be said for ppl who are pronounced clinically dead and be brought back to life?That is if the technology is invented...
fromstart2finish 1 year ago
@fromstart2finish If only one cell in trillions survives cryonics and its very likely many more then one will then you have enough information to currently clone or revert back to multipotent stemcells. Just think how much further we will be in 100 or more yrs. The brain is trickier. It all depends on how much structure survives which is directly related to how fast you are found and cryopreserved. Time/Temperature. The more saved the better. Lost structure is lost information. Which is memory.
DK0526 1 year ago
Poster in Fox Mulder's office: I WANT TO BELIEVE.
Platschheimer 1 year ago
The brain's neurons with what?
67nairb 1 year ago
@67nairb Don't understand the question.
AmericanCryonicsSoc 1 year ago
@67nairb I see. Your last post was indented and you began another paragraph.
67nairb 1 year ago
Excuse my ignorance but what do you mean by a simulation of reality inside a computer which includes your preserved memories? Sorry for my stupidity on this subject. I get the feeling I'm not your nerves.
67nairb 1 year ago
@67nairb Hard to explain well in this limited space. The brain is like a computer, made up of interconnected logic elements (neurons) and with inputs and outputs (nerves). It also contains programming of some kind and data storage (memories). If we take the brain out of the body and hook up all the nerves to a computer, the computer could duplicate the sense the outputs and duplicate the inputs to emulate a virtual reality. Going further, suppose we gradually substitute the brains neurons with
AmericanCryonicsSoc 1 year ago
electronic logic elements, programmed to duplicate the neurons function. After a while we have a "brain" made up only of electronics. We argue that this brain can duplicate all the functions of an organic brain, and so a person can live inside an electronic brain in a simulated environment.
AmericanCryonicsSoc 1 year ago
@AmericanCryonicsSoc The only problem is, how do you preserve the "you" that makes you you......... if you catch my drift? Wouldnt you need to extract the brain peice that makes "you"???
motleycruesader 8 months ago
@motleycruesader I believe that your memories tell you who you are when you wake up in the morning. If someone else had your memories, they would think they were you, until they looked in a mirror. Just how memories are encoded is an evolving subject of study. What Cryonics does is use the best technology available in each to preserve your whole brain. We have to leave to future science to try to reclaim the encoded memories.
AmericanCryonicsSoc 8 months ago
@AmericanCryonicsSoc So would I be right in assuming that "you" does not exist and we are really just information... so we are really a million people from one second to the next? We just feel like the same old "us"???
LOL fun topic!! And there I was hoping I would never have to "die"
motleycruesader 8 months ago
@motleycruesader Yes, the essence of "you" is just information, we believe, but that doesn't mean "you" doesn't exist! "You" is a dynamic entity, at least while you're alive, constantly changing. But there is enough continuity that we recognize ourselves and others as the same persons from minute to minute and even year to year.
AmericanCryonicsSoc 8 months ago
@motleycruesader modern neuro science says that the"you" or mind is a composite software program that runs on an ever changing morphing peice of wet hardware called the brain. The synaptic structure of the brain encodes your exclusive information pattern. Cryonics serves to preserve this pattern and its structure along with enough DNA to reform, fix, replace, or heal your existing body into a youthful healthy you with your mind intact and ready to awake to a new world and future time if you wish
DK0526 6 months ago
@67nairb check out mind uploading on wikipedia...it is just one proposed way of cryonics patient revival. Others involve direct molecular nanotechnology to repair the existing body and/or cell by cell stemcell clonning or regeneration. There are several approaches and no one is sure which will win out.
DK0526 1 year ago
@DK0526 Okay, I'll look into it.
67nairb 1 year ago
that's rubbish... no hope for theses stupid dead people... CLONING HUMANS IS THE WAY FORWARD... Giving money to these Grave robbers.... OMG...
fairhillnorrie 1 year ago
and nobody thought ahead ''hey ....what if they drop me and i shatter''....i mean seriously.....and why the fuck would you want to wake up...at 90......again.....fuck.....
onemanjazzfuneral 1 year ago
@onemanjazzfuneral Drop and shatter is a concern, so precautions are taken and careful handling is the rule. Nobody's been dropped yet. And I've said here before, if you died and were suspended at 90, you would not be re-animated until there was a cure for old age as well as whatever killed you.
AmericanCryonicsSoc 1 year ago
@AmericanCryonicsSoc
old age isn't a disease. old age doesn't actually kill people.
Anon12356 1 year ago
@Anon12356 You are quibbling over definitions. By that logic, AIDS isn't a disease either. Neither will kill you, but will make you less able to resist other diseases, until one of them kills you.
AmericanCryonicsSoc 1 year ago
@AmericanCryonicsSoc
no, because you can actually get infected with aids (well hiv). you can't get infected with old age.
Anon12356 1 year ago
@Anon12356 Lots of diseases are not infections, e.g. Lupus, Multiple Sclerosis.
AmericanCryonicsSoc 1 year ago
@AmericanCryonicsSoc
well diseases are not observed in the majority of the population.
old age is not a disease, old age makes you more VULNERABLE to disease, but it isn't one in itself.
Anon12356 1 year ago
@Anon12356 Disease (definition) "An abnormal condition of the body or mind that causes discomfort or dysfunction" We might dispute whether old age is an "abnormal" condition. It is with respect to the population at large. It certainly fits the remainder of the definition.
There's a whole medical specialty, Gerontology, devoted to the study and treatment of old age.
AmericanCryonicsSoc 1 year ago
@AmericanCryonicsSoc
well, theres not much point disputing it any more. as we could go onto untill we die of old age lol.
Anon12356 1 year ago
Cryonics is actually the only realistic way to time travel into the future.
But you got to die and cough up alot of money first to take the risk.
XionXXXX 1 year ago
@XionXXXX You may be able to get to the future the regular way, without dying, if medical science advances fast enough. Suspension funding starts at $33,000, which most people can fund with life insurance very affordably.
AmericanCryonicsSoc 1 year ago
What year was this broadcast?
67nairb 1 year ago
@67nairb Around 2 years ago.
AmericanCryonicsSoc 1 year ago
@AmericanCryonicsSoc How could this broadcast been made two yeras ago? Jennings died in 2005; that would be five years ago.
67nairb 1 year ago
@67nairb You're probably right. I was just going by when the clip was added to Youtube. I really don't have any record handy of the date of the original broadcast.
AmericanCryonicsSoc 1 year ago
@AmericanCryonicsSoc Well one thing's for certain the broadcast wasn't from 2008 unless that Jennings's clone-LOL. What person famous or not famous would you want crogenically frozen and brought back to life if such a practice were possible today?
67nairb 1 year ago
@67nairb Not famous, my friends at ACS. Famous, can't really think of any alive now. Wish they were frozen, maybe Robert Heinlein and Isaac Asimov.
AmericanCryonicsSoc 1 year ago
@AmericanCryonicsSoc My list of people people who I wish could be cryogenically frozen is very very long.
67nairb 1 year ago
@67nairb Mine is not. Could you be a little more specific. Are these people you know personally, celebrities, whole classes?
AmericanCryonicsSoc 1 year ago
@AmericanCryonicsSoc Both kinds of people. Four people for whom I knew personally are my two deceased friends Donald & Michael and my two grandfathers. For celebrities it would be a whole list of people including the 3 Stooges, Laurel & Hardy, Mel Blanc, Daws Butler, Paul Frees, Don Messick; animators Wiliam Hanna, Joseph Barbera, Tex Avery, Chuck Jones and Friz Freleng; actors Laurence Olivier, George Burns, Bob Hope, and Lucille Ball to name just a few.
67nairb 1 year ago
@AmericanCryonicsSoc I would also like to see journalists Peter Jennings, Frank Reynolds, Max Robinson, Tim Russert, Walter Cronkite, and Edward R. Murrow cryogenically frozen.
67nairb 1 year ago
@67nairb Thanks for sharing your list. It might be comforting to speculate that, in a virtual reality, or as androids in actual reality, your friends and favorite celebrities, or at least what you remember of them and what can be reconstructed from historical records and other remnants from the past, can rejoin you in the future, whether they were suspended or not.
AmericanCryonicsSoc 1 year ago
@67nairb A few years ago, I looked up my high school and college friends, went to a HS reunion, traveled to visit some of them. But they had changed, as, I suppose, had I, and I found I no longer had much in common with them.
AmericanCryonicsSoc 1 year ago
@AmericanCryonicsSoc Other celebrities I'd like to cryogenically freeze are Princess Diana, Elvis Presley, jounalist and historian Wlliam L. Shirer, radio personality and commentator Paul Harvey, Walt Disney, most of the deceased Our Gang kids, our forefathers Washington, Adams, Jefferson, and Franklin, to name just a few. Now that's quite a combination isn't it?
67nairb 1 year ago
@67nairb I might agree on Walt Disney. I recall feeling sad when his death was announced. But I'm over it now. Also the founding fathers, especially Franklin, who made remarks about being preserved to see the future. Maybe we can get them via time travel rescue or by approximate historical reconstruction. Shirer was before my time. I won't miss any of the others.
AmericanCryonicsSoc 1 year ago
@AmericanCryonicsSoc Certainly not the our gang kids. They were forgotten while they were still alive.
AmericanCryonicsSoc 1 year ago
@AmericanCryonicsSoc You don't miss Lucille Ball, Bob Hope, George Burns, Laurel & Hardy, the Three Stooges, Mel Blanc or any of the others I've mentioned in my post? You wouldn't want to see them raised from the dead?
67nairb 1 year ago
@67nairb I don't miss them very much. It might be interesting, if they could be revived or reconstructed, to see if they could come up with any new material. I would not be surprised if they had a hard time making a comeback. I might add Benny Hill to your list.
AmericanCryonicsSoc 1 year ago
@AmericanCryonicsSoc Yes you could add Benny Hill to my list-lol. But I take it you are not a fan of Lucille Ball, Bob Hope, George Burns, Laurel & Hardy or the 3 Stooges.
67nairb 1 year ago
@67nairb No. Not even a real fan of Benny Hill now. I can recall watching and enjoying all of them years ago. MAYBE I'd enjoy them again if they were revived, but I don't much think so. They would have to come up with good new material, not just repeat their old routines.
AmericanCryonicsSoc 1 year ago
@AmericanCryonicsSoc Oh well. to each is own.
67nairb 1 year ago
@67nairb I would defintely like to see Peter Jennings cryogenically frozen and see him raised from the dead years from now. Jennings died of lung cancer at the age of 67. But he didn't look 67; he had a youthful face and was very handsome. Someone that young and handsome should not die of cancer and also Peter Jennings had been in the tv news business for 40 years and we saw him everyday as anchorman of ABC's WORLD NEWS TONIGHT his sudden death came as such a shock to me.
67nairb 1 year ago
@AmericanCryonicsSoc What do you mean by virtual reality?
67nairb 1 year ago
@67nairb A simulation of reality inside a computer, which includes your preserved memories and any other information making up your "self." Some speculate that this is already the case; It's impossible to prove otherwise.
AmericanCryonicsSoc 1 year ago
Haha! Why would the future society need people that don't know anything about that society? That would only be a burden
EcoFascist 1 year ago
@EcoFascist You started out (at birth) not knowing anything. Are you just a burden? We became educated once, I expect we can do it again, if necessary. I'm retired now, and I'm giving extra money to American Cryonics which will grow with compound interest and they can give it back when I'm revived. So I can stay retired. Or maybe they will set us up in an isolated community like today's Colonial Williamsburg and we will be a tourist attraction.
AmericanCryonicsSoc 1 year ago
Pfft, we can't even cure male pattern baldness, how are we gonna cure DEATH!?
WTF1920 1 year ago
@WTF1920
I don't think curing death is a good idea
for many reasons. none of them being
religious.
9N8X 1 year ago
@9N8X then you are against medicine, doctors, medical procedures, diet and exercise. which all try in their small way to cure death or at least to extend life what is ultimately what cryonics does to extend life not cure death because immortality or the cure for death infers forever which is meaningless but to extend life by many years even hundreds has always been a goal of rational human beings.
DK0526 1 year ago
@DK0526
I agree we should live longer than
the 70-90+ years we live but I don't
think living forever is a good idea.
there's overpopulation,resources,etc.
etc.
9N8X 1 year ago
@9N8X I dont think it is possible to live forever because the laws of probability say that something will get to you eventually ie star goes supernova. But to your point of overpopulation mathematically a population that drastically slows down its new births is better then a population that dies but has many children. Slowing death promotes linear growth having children is exponential growth especially when the children have more. As for resources, a technology powerful enough to revive people>>
DK0526 1 year ago
>>>to revive people would by default be powerful enough to open up the whole universe and all its resources. Molecular Nanotechnology is one such example. The ability to manipulate millions of molecules with atomic precision would give people both the ability to revive cryonics patients and to completely manipulate the matter of the earth and universe. This would be akin to the most powerful non poluting sources of energy with zero polution or unlimited food again with zero waste.
DK0526 1 year ago
....ethier you never develope Nanotech to revive patients and clean the world and all the benefits that that would entail or you do develope it and recieve the whole package deal. You dont get one without the other...it just wouldnt make sense as a matter of technology and physics. What the cryonics crowd is saying is that people will live very very long and have almost magical like power. It may sound far fetched but it is perfectly reasonable if you understand moores law and molecular nanotech
DK0526 1 year ago
@9N8X Thats why we should invest on expanding into the universe
theunknowncove 1 year ago
@theunknowncove true!
DK0526 1 year ago
@WTF1920 Are you kidding? Rogain, hair transplants. And of course, you can always cut your balls off.
AmericanCryonicsSoc 1 year ago
this is just a fraud. the technology right now can't freeze body with out damage of the tissues. So in short every body frozen today are good for incineration or tomb. Nano technology can repair damage, give me a break obvioulsy those people don't what nano technology is.
what the point to freeze someone 90 years old.
such a money fraud
ulujm 1 year ago
@ulujm Your remarks are untrue and slandrous. There is no fraud. We freely acknowledge that we can't freeze anyone without sufficient damage that TODAY'S technology can't revive him. But no-one, definitely including YOU, can be sure what will or won't be possible in the future. We don't know what technology the future may offer, but nanotechnology, which has the potential to make repairs at the molecular level, is a good candidate.
AmericanCryonicsSoc 1 year ago
@ulujm Let me add that no-one is getting rich off of cryonics. The American Cryonics Society and Cryonics Institute are both non-profit. The Board and officers of ACS serve without pay. A part-time office assistant is our only regular paid employee.
AmericanCryonicsSoc 1 year ago
@ulujm and if you understood nanotechnology you'd understand that the difference between 90 yrs old and 25 is ultimately the arrangement of the organsms constituent molecules as is damaged vs undamaged tissue. Which means a 90 yr old could be both repaired and age reversed using molecular sized robots to rearrange the organisms material arrangment. You would also know that you dont need the nanotechnology now but in some distant future of 50 to 500,000 yrs to do the job provided they are frozen
DK0526 1 year ago
i heard that Walt Disney is frozen but dunno if its true and why would these ppl want to come back say if their brought back to life in 100 years from now all their loved ones would be gone and they might not like the world so what will they do kill themselfs they cant go back in time
freacls 1 year ago
@freacls We think Walt Disney is not frozen. Urban legend. I expect people will not be revived without some kind of rehabilitation program. In general, life is better now than 100 years ago, so why wouldn't we expect it to be better than now in 100 years?
AmericanCryonicsSoc 1 year ago
@AmericanCryonicsSoc wow. im wondering if you could actually be pulled out of eternity to be unfrozen. it looks wrong but im not one to think scientific research is wrong. if it were possible i would say they would just be a brain and wouldnt really do anything, for without a soul you wouldnt have a will. i dont know, but it sure is cool.
EliteDWB 1 year ago
@EliteDWB Not pulled out of "eternity" whatever that might mean. Just information restored that was hopefully preserved by freezing one at legal death. We believe "just your brain," if not too badly damaged, IS you and contains all the information necessary to restore you to your former self or better. "Soul" is a religious not a scientific concept. We think your "mind" is just your brain's memories and programming, and "will" is just an emergent property of that programming.
AmericanCryonicsSoc 1 year ago
@AmericanCryonicsSoc to each his own...
EliteDWB 1 year ago
there is a difference in time between the earth and hubble due to gravity and it needs to be recalibrated but that difference is minescule and has no barring on time travel. also There is no bodies up in the hubble telescope...its just not practical or realistic.
DK0526 1 year ago
You guys ever hear about how "they" got cryogenic super-humans stored safely in inside the confines of the Hubble telescope??
USAHOAX 1 year ago
@USAHOAX No. Never heard anything about this. I don't think Hubble is very safe. Its orbit is likely to decay over hundreds of years, vulnerable to meteor strikes, etc.
EdgarSwank 1 year ago
@EdgarSwank It's orbit decays, but how would that affect the inside of the telescope? The only thing they have to do is reset the clocks because of the time travel effect.
USAHOAX 1 year ago
@USAHOAX now your just being silly!
DK0526 1 year ago
@DK0526 No, I swear look up why they have to reset the clocks in the Hubble telescope. Something orbiting the Earth like the Hubble telescope affects the very fabric of time.
USAHOAX 1 year ago
@USAHOAX Not at all, until it re-enters the atmosphere and burns up or impacts the earth.
AmericanCryonicsSoc 1 year ago
@AmericanCryonicsSoc Huh?
USAHOAX 1 year ago
@USAHOAX My statement, "Not at all, until it re-enters the atmosphere and burns up or impacts the earth." referred back to your question, "It's orbit decays, but how would that affect the inside of the telescope? The only thing they have to do is reset the clocks because of the time travel effect."
AmericanCryonicsSoc 1 year ago
Made in Atheist.
wakaka, silly, greedy human, don't waste your time, so you don't need that refrigerator.
1rescen1 1 year ago
@1rescen1 By that logic no one should go to the doctor, take medicine, eat right, exercise, or quit smoking. Since to do so is greedy and may extend ones life.
DK0526 1 year ago
There's a few things that i'm skeptical about. What if the cryonics organizations go out of business? Surely the bodies will be buried? If there is a cure for what the patient died of, how would we know that they will be operated on to reverse what happened?
lun321 1 year ago
@lun321 We can't guarantee that any of those negative possibilities won't occur. The future is uncertain. All we can offer you is a chance at extended life. We do what we can and that's all we can do. Many of us provide additional funding so we hopefully won't be dependent on charity or government for revival and sustenance.
AmericanCryonicsSoc 1 year ago
@lun321 Also Cryonics organizations are less like a business and more like a trust. These type of entities tend to outlast traditional business because there is a long term vested interest that goes beyond a CEO's life time. But there is no garantees in life or Cryonics other then the garantee that if you die and do not sign up for cryonics that you will not be given a chance at future medicine and technology. We arent sure if cryonics will work although we can deduce that it will.
DK0526 1 year ago
To actually survive death and be revived in the future you would have many hurdles to overcome. First you would have to be frozen soon after your death to be preserved in a good enough condition. Second you would need to be allowed to stay in a cryonic state according to the law and those who are hell bent on ending your stasis by law. Third you will need to be revived successfully which is not that simple. So far that is impossible and no one knows if it will ever be possible. Good luck!
whathoney73 1 year ago
@whathoney73 Thanks for your good wishes! We don't currently know how soon might be "soon enough." It depends on at what point too much information from your brain becomes irretrievable. Legal risk is also unknown, but it seems to decrease the longer an individual patient remains suspended. So far the Uniform Anatomical Gift Act seems to be working well for us. You're correct that no one knows what may be possible in the future. But your chances seem better frozen than buried or cremated.
AmericanCryonicsSoc 1 year ago
it must work!
HighAltitudeAttitude 1 year ago
Even if this does work nobody hundreds or thousands of years from now
is going to want to revive some dead people. Would you want to revive
someone from the colonial era or from ancient Europe?
9N8X 1 year ago
@9N8X I think someone would, at least the first few. They would be of immense scientific and popular interest. However, in most cases, persons signing up for cryonic suspension provide additional funding which can grow exponentially and fund their own reanimations.
AmericanCryonicsSoc 1 year ago
@9N8X absolutly, on many different levels. First humanitarian ...a live is a live
second for hisorical and scientific reasons, third to know ones ancient family and heritage...and on and on. Could you imagine bringing back Washington, Eeinstein or Motzart. It is a tradgedy that great minds are allowed to die and rot!
DK0526 1 year ago
@9N8X I would. I would love to revive socrates, einstein, washington. why not?
DK0526 1 year ago
I'm not saying that I believe this will ever work but if you were to go back to the time where your grandparents or even parents were small children and tell someone that you will be able to take out someones heart and put it in someone elses body they would think you were clinically insane. Nobody knows what the future will bring and it's ignorant to say that anything is impossible...
thebeatledude 1 year ago 8
@thebeatledude so true, i agree, i think we need not to be concerned and i dont think we should know what the future holds because stuff like cryonics scares ppl and simply technology scares ppl. i think the odds of this working is high because back then they probably couldnt even grasp the concept of a heart transplant lol
dentonbrowne 1 year ago
lets say they will live again in the future, for 5, 10, 15, 20 years. and then what? why does other people can't accept the fact that we we're all gonna die, why don't they trust God's plan instead of relying on their own cognitive.
ramver 1 year ago
Well, I'd be glad for an extra 5-20 years, since usually being alive is better than being dead. If you don't agree, there's the exit. But we expect that future science will, one way or another, be able to keep us alive for hundreds or even thousands of years. If we'd followed God's plan we'd still be living in caves and dying at 30. F--k God's plan.
AmericanCryonicsSoc 1 year ago
@AmericanCryonicsSoc fuck gods plan? if we followed gods plan we would live to be older and no we wouldnt live in caves, the bible says nothin about u must live in caves, i was interested in this subject but u totally turned me off, i love science and biology but ur biterness is horrible, god tells us what we should eat and not eat and what activities to take part in, and i live by the bible and i have never been sick since i started doing this about 10 years ago, not even a cold
dentonbrowne 1 year ago
Glad "God's plan" is working for you, so far. Good luck with that. I'm going with science, rather than ignorance and superstition.
AmericanCryonicsSoc 1 year ago
@AmericanCryonicsSoc well i dont think after 10years its luck when i havent had a cold or any sickness at all. well ur sciene is more like superstition and false hope, u believe in somethin that doesnt work? lol but my religion is ignorance and superstition? u want to freeze ppl and hope they find a way to bring them back to life? thats not logical, how about we prevent natural death by living healthy and then u want have to freeze urself hoping someone finds a way to bring u back.
dentonbrowne 1 year ago
You have to understand that some cryonisists are atheists and some are not. Its the same with doctors some are christian, jewish, muslim or atheist. I happen to believe in cryonics and see nothing in the bible that contradicts it...in fact I see much that supports it. Christ commanded his disciples to "Heal the sick, cleanse the lepers, raise the dead. . . ." (Matt. 10:8) And there is much more but the fact is if you support medicine you should support cryonics wiether you are religious or not.
DK0526 1 year ago
@DK0526 no i have nothing agaisnt cryonics its just that hes an asshole lol, yes the bible says nothin bad about this practice, i have lots of atheist friends which is weird because i believe in god but they arent angry saying fuck gods plan u know they are cool about it, so if ur going to do a vid on cryonics just do a vid on cryonics and dont even talk about god, its starts a fight u know
dentonbrowne 1 year ago
I have tried to stress that cryonics is neither political or religious one way or the other. It is very much cutting edge medicine. We dont ask if you are about to recieve a heart transplant what your philosophical affiliations are. It really doesnt matter...what matters is that we are trying to save lifes and advance science. As such we need as much support as possible and thier is no reason to recruit resentment from the masses. Cryonisists are in a super minority and need not rock the boat.
DK0526 1 year ago
@DK0526 i agree, its a business so why bring politics and religion into it
dentonbrowne 1 year ago
If some one has a question about it in regards to religion or politics I will attempt to answer though. What is your interest in cryonics?...do you have any questions? I have been involved with cryonics for many years and I as you can see enjoy talking about and debating the scientific feesablity of this idea. I have nothing personally to gain by convincing anyone other then mainstream acceptance and possibly future friends if it works someday.
DK0526 1 year ago
@DK0526 nope i dont have any questions yet, i understand cryonics, the reason i was watchin is because i want to know if the human body could be converted using alternative materials, like we know the heart can be replaced but i wanted to know if there is a alternative to blood or could u subsitute human body parts for robotics, the whole idea of life after death or transforming our bodies excites me, like that new movie repo men. i would want to convert my blood and organs
dentonbrowne 1 year ago
I think there is strong evidence that we are not the material we are made of but the information encoded within the material. We are soft ware inside hardware or bio-wetware. This is demonstrated by the fact that our brains physically swap out molecules in everyday life as we eat plant/animal matter and slough out material. What remains is a string of almost the same but different and changing mind code on new matter. The brain does a swap out about every 2 months.
DK0526 1 year ago
So you are not physically the same 5mins from now then you were...you have physically changed as your nuerons and synapses have done a little rewiring. Also after 2 months even the same memories you have are now represented by different molecules that have been swaped out. Yet you still feel like you. But you are different, Its certain that you are. This gives credibility to the mind uploading theories but introduces paradoxs.. what would happen if there was 2 copies? I suspect divergent minds
DK0526 1 year ago
@DK0526 wow very interesting see this is the type of things i wanted to talk and here more about, i wouldnt want to mess with my brain though lol thats the only thing i wouldnt touch, ive been doing research and there is a blood alternative which its red and white blood cells perform the same task as our cells do now, im just looking at how our organs can be replaced without losing its intended functions, call me crazy but im a dreamer, i will build a prototype of our organs and see if its possi
dentonbrowne 1 year ago
It must be possible if we can clone a sheep then a human is just a technicality. (more moral/legal) If you can do a human you can do the humans parts and thats what adult multipotent stem cell research is all about. Its your own parts. Currently we need some sort of structural scaffolding. We can grow cell in a petri dish which works for skin not whole organs like a heart. They are harvesting donor cadavor parts for the scaffolding now but I would guess that will change as we learn more tricks.
DK0526 1 year ago
"wouldnt want to mess with brain" I agree if you can keep what you got young and healthy that seems better then swapping out. If it were possible to scan and make a perfect copy of my brain/mind then upload it..that being would believe he was me in every sense of the meaning but It wouldnt make me feel any better as I slowly died watching my alter ego take over. Yet in a sense I have already been replaced every 2months via molecular swap out and the physical changes that occur via life itself!
DK0526 1 year ago
It is hard to wrap your mind around it. It is disturbing when you try to rationalize it. But the idea is that we are simply information the soul/mind or what ever is not physical it is a pattern represented by the tangle of synapses. like scratches in a LP, magnetic patterns on a casette or a bianary code on a disk. The info is constantly erasing and rewriting to the base code and the material that carries it is changing constantly. It is fair to say we have died and lived every moment we exist.
DK0526 1 year ago
@DK0526 oh i read a report that in asia they used nano tech to grow basically a cell to go through the blood veins and clear them of plaque but they only last for about a hour, and they are biodegradable so it dies in u, yea they should create a center where u have ur body or parts of ur body harvested, that would make a killing. it has to be possible, we have so much tech its crazy but asia is ahead of us, we need to step it up
dentonbrowne 1 year ago
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DK0526 1 year ago
Juan Enriquez: Decoding the future with genomics
watch this vid it shows that we are leading in the area that counts most...but you wont here that in the news..because fear sells news...
DK0526 1 year ago
@DK0526 wow wow wow wow, i take back what i said, if this was in 2007 i wonder how far they have gotten now? im blown away, if we all knew our genetic code we could end diease and make cures. its so true we are so focused on war and money and stuff that we let the media blind us from the info we really need to know, i think genomics is the most vaulable info we will ever need. that was amazing info, thanks. u know of any more videos like this?
dentonbrowne 1 year ago
you bet I have been collecting info like this over 20 yrs. And I live for sharing it with other intelligent people who can appreciate the power of this message. Try doing a U tube search on Ralph Merkle big thinkers...This will really blow your mind...He is attempting to explain the comming era of molecular nanotechnology that will change everything we ever thought about our future. The try Ray Kurzweils accelerating technology and get back to me...I love it when people appreciate this stuff.
DK0526 1 year ago
@DK0526 hey ive been real busy but thanks for sending the vids ive only had time to watch one but thanks if u have more please send them cause i love this stuff, it makes u think and u can see what the future may hold, thanks
dentonbrowne 1 year ago
@AmericanCryonicsSoc
I'm a christian who believes in evolution,science,etc.
I think god wants us to expand our knowledge as much as
we can.
9N8X 1 year ago
@9N8X I'm a confirmed Atheist, but seems we have some common ground. Cryonics is basically a medical procedure, and shouldn't have any more conflict with religion than medicine in general.
AmericanCryonicsSoc 1 year ago 2
So it costs $28.000 to be freezed. does that mean they will keep you even if it takes 600 years to find away to wake you up.
TheGodParticle 1 year ago
Yes. CI has calculated they can use income from funds unused initially to keep you frozen indefinitely.
AmericanCryonicsSoc 1 year ago
@AmericanCryonicsSoc Thanks for the info. I'm looking into Cryonics in the UK and hopeing to sign up soon if they have the same indefinitely policy.
TheGodParticle 1 year ago
CI has some kind of chapter, and local support from a mortuary for initial processing, in the UK. But there is no storage facility in the UK, so you would be stored in Michigan, USA. You would have to pay a few thousand $'s extra to be prepared locally and shipped to Michigan. ACS has a joint membership program with CI, so we can supplement their service, especially if you have extra money you want to be there when you're revived.
AmericanCryonicsSoc 1 year ago
There is also a facility in Russia, KrioRus, which offers some suspension services. ACS is currently in discussions with them for a joint program.
AmericanCryonicsSoc 1 year ago
Thank you a lot for the video.... really intresting information!
aretaki9 2 years ago
What's the pointy in freezing yourself at the age of 90 ? she's going to live what another year after she's brought back to life ? id wanna get frozen now at the age of 20 and get brought bak in like 900 years that would be fuckin kick ass =D
SilkTvChannel 2 years ago
We believe that in the future science will be able to "cure" or reverse old age. Until it does, you're right that someone age 90 at suspension shouldn't be revived yet.
AmericanCryonicsSoc 2 years ago
do you know what happened with that russian ,who was director of research at CI ? is he still working there?
AerialSerialKiller 2 years ago
Info is on CI website. He has returned to Russia, but may still do some work for CI.
AmericanCryonicsSoc 2 years ago
at 20 you may live to see technology advance to a point were ageing is stoped or reversed and even those of us who believe in cryonics understand that it might not work. But if your 90 and dead by todays standards then you have nothing to lose..in fact in order to bring someone back from a frozen deanimated state you will need a powerful technology that would be almost certainly able to reverse aging and almost any disease or trauma. look up molecular nanotechnology.
DK0526 2 years ago
Have they tested this on animals? i can't find any analysis on this. If it works on animals it could "work" on animals. I fear an outcome like the 80's movie the "Re-Animator", where the previously dead come back retarded or not normal?
MagnusRene76 2 years ago
There have been no tests where animals have been reduced to LN2 temperatures and been revived. Even the best procedures we know of still cause too much damage for present technology to revive any person or animal from LN2. However,it's routine to store sperm and eggs at LN2, and then use them to produce healthy children. So we hope that future technology will be able to revive people frozen to LN2 with today's technology.
AmericanCryonicsSoc 2 years ago