It's the same with any balance wheel. You remove or add weight, if it doesn't use screws or adjustable masses, then the only thing you can do without any real modification would be to remove weight, this is usually done from the underside using a sort of cutter tool. Although, those sorts of wheels are made from the factory to be perfectly poised, that's why they always come with the hairspring and roller already attached. By hand made methods you need weights.
Yeah, i have a facebook, try searching for my full name "Paul Loatman" and my profile will pop up. I'm pretty sure i'm the only one with my exact name on their.
BTW, i've re-designed the tourbillon and it's a bit different now, i have pictures on my facebook if you can get to it.
You can always go onto one of the school's computers in their computer lab, you can just ask someone at the front desk to open the door if it's locked.
I'd rather keep my message private than post it on here. If not you could try messaging me your email address and i could just email the message to you.
Yeah I like that kind of stuff. And yeah we were never there at the same time haha. I would have loved to see it. Can you put up a video of your watch you made?
Yeah I could see the wrist watch but it's great for a pocket watch. Hey if it works better than a plain balance wheel then that's good enough. Near perfect is the best at times. You know your stuff! I must say sorry for my ignorince I'm just a student at gem city college right now. I'm working on making my own watch right now. It's going to be big but hey if it works and keeps time I will be happy lol.
You're a student at Gem City? Wow, i just moved from Quincy a couple of weeks ago, i graduated in November. I started my watch about 3 months into school and graduated in 6 months, which is apparently pretty quick.
Do you ever talk to Al? He knows a thing or two as well, i made him a staff for a clock and never found out if it even worked. He should be there after lunch tomorrow, if you see him say hi for me, I'm Paul Loatman. Say hi to Jim for me as well.
Ok yes that makes sence. Good job on making it! So in any watch that has this in it the only positions that will matter will be dial up and dial down correct?
Actually in the dial positions, there is far less effect from gravity on the balance wheel, almost none because any imbalance of weight on the balance wheel will be sent into the pivots of the staff instead of forcing the wheel to turn faster in one way than the other.
Even in the vertical positions we're talking about microscopic differences but in the horizontal positions it's even less.
Still, there's a lot of controversy regarding the aid of a tourbillon in a wrist watch, many people believe that because a wrist watch is constantly moving due to it being on a person's wrist that a tourbillon doesn't help at all, and then there's the constant stop/start action caused by the lever escapement, it's all quite complex, nearly impossible to fully perfect.
Also, there are some tourbillon with multi axis tourbillon that may prevent the dial inaccuracies, look up Greubel Forsey.
Ok I watched a few of your newer videos. That's pretty cool. But I have to admit I don't really understand the perpose of it. Could you explain please?
The tourbillon was originally used in pocket watches to cancel out the effects of gravity on the balance wheel in the vertical position because no matter how accurate your tooling is it's just impossible to have a perfectly poised balance wheel, one side is always heavier than the rest and that takes a small toll on accuracy in the vertical position where the heaviest side will always move down faster.
By taking the balance wheel and making it constantly rotate you counteract the effect that gravity has on the heaviest side of the balance wheel because it's constantly moving, and in order to rotate the balance wheel the rest of the escapement parts also have to rotate with it in order for the watch to run, this is the purpose of the tourbillon.
Also, i'm not sure if you recieve it, but i'm going to be writing a series of articles for the Horological Times magazine, i'll explain in much more detail in there.
Looks pretty good man! Time it out, get in beat and you should be set. That is if you cleaned and oiled it. And if your real picky then you could get that hair spring out of that cone shape. But it has good amplitude! Keep it up! Nice. :)
Actually this wheel was slightly out of round. I ended up making an entirely new one which had the center hole bored out perfectly. The reason why i was making this wheel in the first place was for a tourbillon that i'm working on, if you go to my videos you'll see the newer balance wheel inside the tourbillon carriage.
you know how some balance wheels have little weights on them for ajdusting the weight of it? how do you adjust this type if it's just a plain wheel?
ishouldplayzelda 10 months ago
@ishouldplayzelda
This balance wheel did have weights.
kisetsushin 10 months ago
@kisetsushin oh i couldn't see them haha well, anyway i'm still wondering how the balance is adjusted on non-weight balance weels
ishouldplayzelda 10 months ago
@ishouldplayzelda
It's the same with any balance wheel. You remove or add weight, if it doesn't use screws or adjustable masses, then the only thing you can do without any real modification would be to remove weight, this is usually done from the underside using a sort of cutter tool. Although, those sorts of wheels are made from the factory to be perfectly poised, that's why they always come with the hairspring and roller already attached. By hand made methods you need weights.
kisetsushin 10 months ago
Do you have a facebook or myspace? I have tried to send you my email but it won't work.
chiman421 1 year ago
@chiman421
Hey,
Yeah, i have a facebook, try searching for my full name "Paul Loatman" and my profile will pop up. I'm pretty sure i'm the only one with my exact name on their.
BTW, i've re-designed the tourbillon and it's a bit different now, i have pictures on my facebook if you can get to it.
kisetsushin 1 year ago
Hey thanks for the advice! I have YouTube mobile so I can't seem to get to my inbox. And yeah this is atemp number 2 on making a watch for me.
chiman421 2 years ago
@chiman421
You can always go onto one of the school's computers in their computer lab, you can just ask someone at the front desk to open the door if it's locked.
I'd rather keep my message private than post it on here. If not you could try messaging me your email address and i could just email the message to you.
kisetsushin 2 years ago
Yeah I like that kind of stuff. And yeah we were never there at the same time haha. I would have loved to see it. Can you put up a video of your watch you made?
chiman421 2 years ago
@chiman421
Do you mean the pocket watch that i turned into a wrist watch?
I haven't made any other watch, and i'm not finished with this tourbillon yet.
If you do mean the pocketwatch to wrist watch thing, then i already have a video of it, the title starts with Hamilton 917.
kisetsushin 2 years ago
Yeah I could see the wrist watch but it's great for a pocket watch. Hey if it works better than a plain balance wheel then that's good enough. Near perfect is the best at times. You know your stuff! I must say sorry for my ignorince I'm just a student at gem city college right now. I'm working on making my own watch right now. It's going to be big but hey if it works and keeps time I will be happy lol.
chiman421 2 years ago
You're a student at Gem City? Wow, i just moved from Quincy a couple of weeks ago, i graduated in November. I started my watch about 3 months into school and graduated in 6 months, which is apparently pretty quick.
Do you ever talk to Al? He knows a thing or two as well, i made him a staff for a clock and never found out if it even worked. He should be there after lunch tomorrow, if you see him say hi for me, I'm Paul Loatman. Say hi to Jim for me as well.
Good luck with school and your watch.
kisetsushin 2 years ago
Ok yes that makes sence. Good job on making it! So in any watch that has this in it the only positions that will matter will be dial up and dial down correct?
chiman421 2 years ago
@chiman421
Thank you!
Actually in the dial positions, there is far less effect from gravity on the balance wheel, almost none because any imbalance of weight on the balance wheel will be sent into the pivots of the staff instead of forcing the wheel to turn faster in one way than the other.
Even in the vertical positions we're talking about microscopic differences but in the horizontal positions it's even less.
kisetsushin 2 years ago
Still, there's a lot of controversy regarding the aid of a tourbillon in a wrist watch, many people believe that because a wrist watch is constantly moving due to it being on a person's wrist that a tourbillon doesn't help at all, and then there's the constant stop/start action caused by the lever escapement, it's all quite complex, nearly impossible to fully perfect.
Also, there are some tourbillon with multi axis tourbillon that may prevent the dial inaccuracies, look up Greubel Forsey.
kisetsushin 2 years ago
Ok I watched a few of your newer videos. That's pretty cool. But I have to admit I don't really understand the perpose of it. Could you explain please?
chiman421 2 years ago
@chiman421
The tourbillon was originally used in pocket watches to cancel out the effects of gravity on the balance wheel in the vertical position because no matter how accurate your tooling is it's just impossible to have a perfectly poised balance wheel, one side is always heavier than the rest and that takes a small toll on accuracy in the vertical position where the heaviest side will always move down faster.
kisetsushin 2 years ago
@chiman421
By taking the balance wheel and making it constantly rotate you counteract the effect that gravity has on the heaviest side of the balance wheel because it's constantly moving, and in order to rotate the balance wheel the rest of the escapement parts also have to rotate with it in order for the watch to run, this is the purpose of the tourbillon.
kisetsushin 2 years ago
@chiman421
Also, i'm not sure if you recieve it, but i'm going to be writing a series of articles for the Horological Times magazine, i'll explain in much more detail in there.
kisetsushin 2 years ago
Looks pretty good man! Time it out, get in beat and you should be set. That is if you cleaned and oiled it. And if your real picky then you could get that hair spring out of that cone shape. But it has good amplitude! Keep it up! Nice. :)
chiman421 2 years ago
@chiman421
Actually this wheel was slightly out of round. I ended up making an entirely new one which had the center hole bored out perfectly. The reason why i was making this wheel in the first place was for a tourbillon that i'm working on, if you go to my videos you'll see the newer balance wheel inside the tourbillon carriage.
kisetsushin 2 years ago