A "Holocaust" Debate Mark Weber vs Michael Shermer part 2

[Spjungen]

I never thought of the fact that the soviets were in control of poland when the allies arrived...that's big. That's really big.

[tyrionimpstark777]

Something worth mentioning also is that if the Germans had a mass execution system spread from france to fucking a few kms west of moscow, why the hell would they be keeping it a secret???? they fully believed in 1942 that they would have the soviets flogged in no time and won the war! What was their great back up plan if a foreign government asked them "hey where did all the jews go?" If Hitler wanted them all dead, he would have been up on a podium screaming the message with pride. He didn't!

[Spjungen]

@tyrionimpstark777 In fact as it turns out, he specifically ordered that NO MOB VIOLENCE AGAINST JEWS (like that witnessed on kristalnacht) was to be perpetrated! He also ordered and warned SS officers against killing or mistreating jews in camps, and many were arrested and executed for breaking orders.

But you'll never hear that from the zionist media...

[kritiX99]

The people in that audience are in desperate need of cough drops.

[nowgleaning]

@kritiX99 Seriously! If you have a cold/the flu, or some sort respiratory problem...don't show up at a lecture or debate that is being recorded. People do not need the sound of you continuously hacking up a lung, over (most likely) one of your favourite speakers, immortalised on tape! Grrrr!

...know this is a bit rantish but it's become a major pet peeve...just had to listen to a Harvard lecture with the same bloody thing!

[concussedcarneous]

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[qwertypoiu4321]

The Holocaust was a Nazi policy and Hitler knew about it.

Hitler, 1939-1-30:

"If international finance Jewry inside and outside of Europe should succeed once more in plunging nations into another world war, the consequence will not be the Bolshevization of the earth and thereby the victory of Jewry, but the annihilation of the Jewish race in Europe."

[concussedcarneous]

@qwertypoiu4321 shut the fuck up, man, if you knew German you'd know that's an INTERPRETATION of the original quote. in point of fact that could be interpreted as removal and not a physical extermination of all the jews of Europe.

i recommend "Treblinka: Extermination Camp or Transit Camp?" by C. Mattogono

[qwertypoiu4321]

@concussedcarneous "that's an INTERPRETATION of the original quote."

Is this one the wrong interpretation as well?

1941-10-25 Hitler:

"From the rostrum of the Reichstag I prophesied to Jewry that if war could not be avoided, the Jews would disappear from Europe. [...] By the way--it's not a bad thing that public rumor attributes to us a plan to exterminate Jews."

"could be interpreted as removal and not a physical extermination"

You think the term "annihilation" means removal?

[concussedcarneous]

@qwertypoiu4321 you prob'ly got that from John Toland's book, chapter xxv.

the book itself contains absurdities about the alleged death camps and gas chambers for which there's absolutely no evidence at all. one might also have to ask if H-tler announced this official policy of extermination to the world say in 1941 how come then it's said that he and his generals were having secret conversations that they were deporting the jews to the east? who were there trying to hide it from?

[qwertypoiu4321]

@concussedcarneous

Hitler announced his plan of the annihilation of the Jewish race in Europe if a war started at the beginning of 1939.

1941-12-1 Hitler:

"Many Jews are quite unaware of the destructive nature of their very existence. But whoever destroys life courts death, and that is exactly what is happening to them!"

[fleamarket3000]

@qwertypoiu4321 that's not evidence of anything

[qwertypoiu4321]

Auschwitz-Birkenau, 1942-44: 1,100,000 murdered with Zyklon-B in Poland

Treblinka, 1942-43: 900,000 murdered with Carbon Monoxide in Poland

Belzec, 1942: 600,000 murdered with Carbon Monoxide in Poland

Sobibor, 1942-43: 250,000 murdered with Carbon Monoxide in Poland

Chelmno, 1941-42: 152,000 murdered with Carbon Monoxide in Poland

Majdanek, 1942-44: 60,000 murdered with Zyklon-B & Carbon Monoxide in Poland

Shootings 1,300,000 (over)

Privation 800,000 (over)

Total: 5.1 million

[HaggenPagan26]

@qwertypoiu4321 What the fuck is that evidence of? I could go on Wiki and find that same information. Revisionists want physical evidence not Soviet propaganda.

[VitoPossilipo]

@qwertypoiu4321 Yes, good quote. And in his "Sportpalast"-speech, Goebbels also wanted to say the war will end with the extermination ("Ausrottung") of the Jewish race. He already said "Ausr...", then he interrupted and said "Ausschaltung" (exclusion). Propably he thought his audience- or parts of it- was -resp. were- not ready for the truth. And there is an audiotape of a speech of Himmler to fellow SS-men in which he says that it is the plan of the nazis to exterminate the Jews.

[SocialistReign]

Why are there no comments?!

Are people afraid to question the history that was written by the war winners?

You should always question the version given by the winners of a war.

[TheFlanker35]

There aren't many comments because he is full of crap. We have lots of evidence that the Nazis killed 11 million people in extermination camps. There is ample evidence pointing to the fact that the Nazis discussed the Holocaust in private.