I am assuming the making the EM starter is the same thing as making compost tea. (Rain) water plus a nutrient source (kelp + molasses) and some finished compost. (reminds me of a story about papa mole, mama mole and baby mole). Set it in sun, infusing lots of air into it and in about a little while the aerobic critters have multiplied by lots. So if one is making anaerobic critters multiply then one woooood leave out the air - and of course start with anaerobic critters.
@t1l1m Check out the videos about producing methane gas. This is the same concept and I'm fairly certain the same anaerobic creatures in a 55 gallon drum.
Although not so quick, think it is much easier just to chuck your compost into the compost pit! However, we use up our two compost bins extremely quickly so that's it until the next year. This seems to be a solution for keeping a continual supply of compost on the go...
can you be more specific? are you saying lacto bacillus doesn't exist? or are you saying em has no benefits for plants or soil? Do you know what a septic tank is.
"We conclude from our results that ‘Effective microorganisms’ did not improve yields and soil quality during 4 years of application in this field experiment under the temperate climatic conditions of Central Europe."
Mayer J, Scheid S, Widmer F, Fließbach A, Oberholzer H. How effective are 'Effective microorganisms® (EM)'? Results from a field study in temperate climate. Applied Soil Ecology. 2010;46(2):230-239
forgive me is this was already addressed but you said your water was very hot when you added your molasses. wouldnt adding your EM to the very hot water kill them? wouldnt it be best to wait till it cools down?
Yes please make another visit using your homemade microbial tea. Would love to have the recipe. At home I make compost tea, kombucha, fermented sauerkruat. kvass, yogurt, lacto fermented pickles and they all go into the compost pile. I would like to try a home made version so my compost doesn't stink. Come to mention it, I would like to have a larger for my compostables.
Yes please maks another visit using your homemade microbial tea. Would love to have the recipe. At home I make compost tea, kombucha, fermented sauerkruat. kvass, yogurt, lacto fermented pickles and they all go into the compost pile. I would like to try a home made version so my compost doesn't stink. Come to mention it, I would like to have a larger for my compostables.
Question: In your video you add the EM solution to the hot water. Doesn't the excessive heat kill many of the microbes? Would you be better to add the EM solution to a cooler water/molasses mix (say at blood temperature)... ?? Please advise!
Hi. I made some Bokashi a couple of weeks ago using ratios similar to yours. I read somewhere that it's ready when there's a layer of white mycelium on the surface. So far, it hasn't appeared. Is this feature essential in order for Bokashi to be "ready"? Also, you don't mention a drying step. Is it essential?
I keep hearing about how compost smells. Obviously, if it smells, you are not burying scraps. My compost bin never smells because the scraps are buried. I save up scraps till I have a couple pounds that I first freeze, then bury them into the center of the compost pile. It never smells or attracts rodents...and I live by a wooded area where wildlife is very prevalent.
(EM) is called effective microbes which you can google search it and will find it is made by frementing soft white wheatberriesor rye. This is commonly known as rejuvelac drink. Make some for yourself, it is very good for you to drink.
What if you don't have 17lbs of bran and want to make a much smaller amount? Where do you get the other ingredients from? It was such a small amount for that amount of bran do you still need it when mixing smaller amounts? The feed store in my area doesn't carry wheat bran ...
I found a smaller recipe, not tried it tho, but its 500g wheat bran, 250ml water, 1tbs molasses, 1 tsp EM...am not sure so much water is necessary, maybe just add a little at a time until its similar consistency to the batch in the video
I think this is nice but I have watched my sister inlaw and she has an outdoor area where she just buries the scraps and covers it with dirt. Been doing it for thirty years without a problem. But this looks interesting. Just not necessary
I am very intrested in seeing how you make your EM starter, I have looked and haven't seen the vid you talked about. Did you ever get around to making it? Could I get you to divulge the recipe? Thanks for the Info.
aloha!! there were a few things i thought would b good to add to the Bokashi prep demo.EX: emphasis on fermentation enviroment,(anarobic,aerobic) uses etc. ....the ceramic em is not required for a great high quality Bokashi> thanks for doing the good works! S
yes u can make starter culture with local free natural beneficial microorganisms (IMO "indigenous Microorganism") but the problem with that is quality. it might be contaminated with pathogens bacteria if u don't prepare it in a laboratory environment. laboratory equipments (microscope,etc.) are necessary to identify that your starter bacteria are all beneficial. so, therefore bokashi making can sometimes be dangerous done at home. it might be the source of disease.
That's akin to saying that you can't safely make yogurt, kefir, sourdough, sauerkraut or wine, etc., at home!!! It's simply not true that it needs to be cultured in a laboratory.
Humans have been making beneficial bacteria starters at home for thousands of years!!!!!!
all yogurt, sourdough, wine, etc. which taste good and has the highest quality are prepared at laboratory like conditions. i heard local yogurt which is "not well" (poorly) prepared to be the source of salmonella (food poisoning pathogen).
we don't extend our EM because it will become "LESS" effective at 2nd generation.we only activate it. and we do it in laboratory alike conditions. therefore, we get consistent and positive results. its "QUALITY" .to add more,when making bokashi it should have a smell of "sweet sour" when harvesting.it is an indication that beneficial bacteria are dominant.if rotting or undesirable smell occurs, throw your bokashi right away. means pathogenic bacteria are dominant.
you need to buy a 'starter culture' - kida like sourdough, and then you can brew up your own 'tea' from the concentrate. $12 for a small bottle from EM America.
Thank you. Awesome video, very well done. Can you use this to make humanure? The birds paid for the feed w/ droppings. (win win ;) How long will the liquid inoculant last in a sealed 1 gallon container w/o feeding?
I messaged the guy and he hasn't answered back. I'm thinking the method is similar to making compost tea, but his starter might be more complex. I'm thinking in order to get optimal results, you have to buy the cultures (they are called EM)
The main difference between EM (effective microorganism) and the microorganisms found in compost tea is that EM contains anaerobes that allow the Bokashi to ferment and pickle, as opposed to compost tea organisms which are aerobic creatures.
thanks for posting this. a vendor list for the ceramic particles would be helpful.
i would think that it would be smart to wear a superfine particle mask as you add the ceramic particles and to continue to wear it until you have finished adding and mixing in the liquid. It can't be healthy to breath in ceramic particles!
This bokashi preparation is remarkably similar to fermented cow manure in biodynamics.I'd like to make a starter for my compost bins and would love to see how to make the microbial inocuant.Many thanks for this post!
I am assuming the making the EM starter is the same thing as making compost tea. (Rain) water plus a nutrient source (kelp + molasses) and some finished compost. (reminds me of a story about papa mole, mama mole and baby mole). Set it in sun, infusing lots of air into it and in about a little while the aerobic critters have multiplied by lots. So if one is making anaerobic critters multiply then one woooood leave out the air - and of course start with anaerobic critters.
t1l1m 5 months ago
@t1l1m Check out the videos about producing methane gas. This is the same concept and I'm fairly certain the same anaerobic creatures in a 55 gallon drum.
t1l1m 5 months ago
Where do you live? It looks amazing.
silverflyable 7 months ago
Although not so quick, think it is much easier just to chuck your compost into the compost pit! However, we use up our two compost bins extremely quickly so that's it until the next year. This seems to be a solution for keeping a continual supply of compost on the go...
ivankinsman 7 months ago
good info...thanks!
Uriel1816 8 months ago
Wouldn't the VERY hot water kill the micro organisms? Did your mixture work?
hoolia20 10 months ago
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JonO387 4 months ago
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120 degrees is not actually "very hot" It's actually a very good temperature for microorganisms to multiply in.
JonO387 4 months ago
is it possible to make bokashi out of bullshit? i just ask because EM IS bullshit!
tommy186 11 months ago
@tommy186
can you be more specific? are you saying lacto bacillus doesn't exist? or are you saying em has no benefits for plants or soil? Do you know what a septic tank is.
johndela1 11 months ago
@johndela1
"We conclude from our results that ‘Effective microorganisms’ did not improve yields and soil quality during 4 years of application in this field experiment under the temperate climatic conditions of Central Europe."
Mayer J, Scheid S, Widmer F, Fließbach A, Oberholzer H. How effective are 'Effective microorganisms® (EM)'? Results from a field study in temperate climate. Applied Soil Ecology. 2010;46(2):230-239
tommy186 10 months ago
forgive me is this was already addressed but you said your water was very hot when you added your molasses. wouldnt adding your EM to the very hot water kill them? wouldnt it be best to wait till it cools down?
marutiyogi 1 year ago
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Yes please make another visit using your homemade microbial tea. Would love to have the recipe. At home I make compost tea, kombucha, fermented sauerkruat. kvass, yogurt, lacto fermented pickles and they all go into the compost pile. I would like to try a home made version so my compost doesn't stink. Come to mention it, I would like to have a larger for my compostables.
hassanfam 1 year ago
Yes please maks another visit using your homemade microbial tea. Would love to have the recipe. At home I make compost tea, kombucha, fermented sauerkruat. kvass, yogurt, lacto fermented pickles and they all go into the compost pile. I would like to try a home made version so my compost doesn't stink. Come to mention it, I would like to have a larger for my compostables.
hassanfam 1 year ago 2
you can buy a premade EM mixture from Effective Microbes. You can also grow it from bokashi, if you have some bokashi.
jetwest 1 year ago
In my city, there is no wheat /rice brans. Is saw (wood) dust ok as a substitute?
wolfyhk 1 year ago
How do you make the microbial innocculant? Or is it a case of having to buy it.
1Rockinrod 1 year ago
How do you make the microbial innocculant?
1Rockinrod 1 year ago
Question: In your video you add the EM solution to the hot water. Doesn't the excessive heat kill many of the microbes? Would you be better to add the EM solution to a cooler water/molasses mix (say at blood temperature)... ?? Please advise!
rob741258 1 year ago
Hi. I made some Bokashi a couple of weeks ago using ratios similar to yours. I read somewhere that it's ready when there's a layer of white mycelium on the surface. So far, it hasn't appeared. Is this feature essential in order for Bokashi to be "ready"? Also, you don't mention a drying step. Is it essential?
Sulalee 1 year ago
I keep hearing about how compost smells. Obviously, if it smells, you are not burying scraps. My compost bin never smells because the scraps are buried. I save up scraps till I have a couple pounds that I first freeze, then bury them into the center of the compost pile. It never smells or attracts rodents...and I live by a wooded area where wildlife is very prevalent.
rexenne 1 year ago
(EM) is called effective microbes which you can google search it and will find it is made by frementing soft white wheatberriesor rye. This is commonly known as rejuvelac drink. Make some for yourself, it is very good for you to drink.
zobcity01 1 year ago
is rice bran can be use for making bokashi?
baying2006 1 year ago
What if you don't have 17lbs of bran and want to make a much smaller amount? Where do you get the other ingredients from? It was such a small amount for that amount of bran do you still need it when mixing smaller amounts? The feed store in my area doesn't carry wheat bran ...
spirittoo 1 year ago
I found a smaller recipe, not tried it tho, but its 500g wheat bran, 250ml water, 1tbs molasses, 1 tsp EM...am not sure so much water is necessary, maybe just add a little at a time until its similar consistency to the batch in the video
ReviveUK 1 year ago
Thanks ... where do I get the "EM" from?
spirittoo 1 year ago
I think this is nice but I have watched my sister inlaw and she has an outdoor area where she just buries the scraps and covers it with dirt. Been doing it for thirty years without a problem. But this looks interesting. Just not necessary
DawnBentley1 2 years ago
I am very intrested in seeing how you make your EM starter, I have looked and haven't seen the vid you talked about. Did you ever get around to making it? Could I get you to divulge the recipe? Thanks for the Info.
myasunshine 2 years ago 18
Ditto, you just saved me typing the same thing..a video on making the EM would be much appreciated
ReviveUK 1 year ago
@myasunshine the EM starter seem to be compost tea. Just Google "compost tea" and you'll get plenty of info.
damontoney 1 year ago
@damontoney
hi... EM starter comes only from Dr Teruo Higa. He' s the one who accidentally discovered EM-1. Most country buy from Him and made local brand name.
khalil103084 1 year ago
@khalil103084 I see. That makes sense.
damontoney 1 year ago
that is so cool!!!!!!!!!!!!
Pimporly 2 years ago
put it in the bag then vacume all the air out
Thebigbambeano 2 years ago
If you use Celcius instead of Fahrenheit to measure temperature 120 F is about 47 C. You don't want to bake your beneficial bugs.
Growsomefood 2 years ago
well that clered that up
lanesteele240 2 years ago
Thanks for the Video. What was name of the Intro Music?
MRSketch09 3 years ago
aloha!! there were a few things i thought would b good to add to the Bokashi prep demo.EX: emphasis on fermentation enviroment,(anarobic,aerobic) uses etc. ....the ceramic em is not required for a great high quality Bokashi> thanks for doing the good works! S
88simran 3 years ago
Thank you so much for sharing this with us. Please keep the faith!!!
snatorr
Australia
snatorr 3 years ago
The starter culture can be made with FREE natural occurring beneficial bacteria, there's no need expensive mixes, starters or fancy buckets.
bokaskicomposting(dot)com
I'll be adding detailed instructions within the next few days.
WoodchuckinPA 3 years ago
I've finally added instructions at the above website.
Thanks.
WoodchuckinPA 3 years ago
@WoodchuckinPA
hi!
yes u can make starter culture with local free natural beneficial microorganisms (IMO "indigenous Microorganism") but the problem with that is quality. it might be contaminated with pathogens bacteria if u don't prepare it in a laboratory environment. laboratory equipments (microscope,etc.) are necessary to identify that your starter bacteria are all beneficial. so, therefore bokashi making can sometimes be dangerous done at home. it might be the source of disease.
thank you.
khalil103084 1 year ago
@khalil103084
That's akin to saying that you can't safely make yogurt, kefir, sourdough, sauerkraut or wine, etc., at home!!! It's simply not true that it needs to be cultured in a laboratory.
Humans have been making beneficial bacteria starters at home for thousands of years!!!!!!
Thanks you!!!!
WoodchuckinPA 1 year ago
@WoodchuckinPA
all yogurt, sourdough, wine, etc. which taste good and has the highest quality are prepared at laboratory like conditions. i heard local yogurt which is "not well" (poorly) prepared to be the source of salmonella (food poisoning pathogen).
peace...
khalil103084 1 year ago
@khalil103084
LOL!
When you extend your expensive EM with water and molasses or add the activated EM to expensive bran, do you do so in a laboratory environment???
Peace!!
WoodchuckinPA 1 year ago
@WoodchuckinPA
lols.
we don't extend our EM because it will become "LESS" effective at 2nd generation.we only activate it. and we do it in laboratory alike conditions. therefore, we get consistent and positive results. its "QUALITY" .to add more,when making bokashi it should have a smell of "sweet sour" when harvesting.it is an indication that beneficial bacteria are dominant.if rotting or undesirable smell occurs, throw your bokashi right away. means pathogenic bacteria are dominant.
khalil103084 1 year ago
@WoodchuckinPA
dont get me wrong. all im trying to say was to be careful when preparing your culture. i did'nt say it was impossible...
lols
khalil103084 1 year ago
EM-multi-SHOP
eMarketingService 3 years ago
you need to buy a 'starter culture' - kida like sourdough, and then you can brew up your own 'tea' from the concentrate. $12 for a small bottle from EM America.
YouAdamNazzkl0wn 3 years ago
Thank you. Awesome video, very well done. Can you use this to make humanure? The birds paid for the feed w/ droppings. (win win ;) How long will the liquid inoculant last in a sealed 1 gallon container w/o feeding?
azdober 3 years ago
i'll add my voice to those requesting a video on how to make the starter culture please.
atrius00 3 years ago 2
Yes, another request for showing how to make the starter culture, please!!
Deorca 3 years ago 2
What is powdered ceramic and where can one get it??
liatris67 3 years ago
feed animals with that? is the powderd ceramic you included edibal? seems harmfull..ish...
iownnwo 3 years ago
I have the same question takadi, because you cant really do anything with these instructions without that. I would love to know how to make it too
KARStarla 3 years ago
I messaged the guy and he hasn't answered back. I'm thinking the method is similar to making compost tea, but his starter might be more complex. I'm thinking in order to get optimal results, you have to buy the cultures (they are called EM)
takadi 3 years ago
The main difference between EM (effective microorganism) and the microorganisms found in compost tea is that EM contains anaerobes that allow the Bokashi to ferment and pickle, as opposed to compost tea organisms which are aerobic creatures.
takadi 3 years ago
Can you tell us how to make the starter culture?
takadi 3 years ago 2
thanks for posting this. a vendor list for the ceramic particles would be helpful.
i would think that it would be smart to wear a superfine particle mask as you add the ceramic particles and to continue to wear it until you have finished adding and mixing in the liquid. It can't be healthy to breath in ceramic particles!
jeanius80 3 years ago
This would otherwise be great, but is pretty useless without knowing how to make the microbe mixture.
ladyfelina 3 years ago 13
So true....!!!!!!!!!!!!
urquanenator 3 years ago
What a brilliant idea am definitley going to get myself a Bokashi Bucket. Please tellus how to make the Activated Effective Microbe.
Thanks for the brilliant ideas
yvie01 3 years ago
This bokashi preparation is remarkably similar to fermented cow manure in biodynamics.I'd like to make a starter for my compost bins and would love to see how to make the microbial inocuant.Many thanks for this post!
namniekib 4 years ago
yes, please show how to make em!
SSzretter 4 years ago
music is way too loud in contrast to the audio in the video, i had to turn my sound way down at the credits.
guest2424 5 years ago 3
I'm hopeful that you'll do an EM brewing video soon. Keep 'em coming, please!
NaturalDesignChick 5 years ago
i'm digging your videos, more please. Thanks.
JackOrion0670 5 years ago