Both are great . but for me . you cant compare the two because they played in diffrent eras . what if kobe played during the 80s and 90s .. can he stand the competitiveness of the players .. and what if jordan was still playing during this new millenia . would he survive the more athletic and more aggressive defenders of today ? we really cant tell .
"I don’t think anybody will ever really touch what Michael has done for the game,” he said when asked if Kobe or LeBron James could ever vie for Jordan’s “best-ever” title. “They may be able to break a record he had or maybe win more championships. But Michael’s image as a player will always stand and his greatness will never be superseded.”"
@Hawkhunter07 I think you are slow. You jus gave me a paragragh about MJ's IMAGE. no BBall player is EVER gonna surpass his IMAGE. but like Phil said... "Kobe is more skilled than MJ" -Phil Jackson lmao try again plz
hmm not only do I think you're slow, I think you're pretty stupid, you're beating a dead horse
it says, MJ's GREATNESS will never be superseded, and it ALSO clearly says, DONT COMPARE ANYONE to MICHAEL JORDAN because it's not FAIR to do so and if u want to compare you have to take him out of the equation
learn to read? funny how you asked me when when urs was 3 years ago, these range from 2009-2011, try again please
Furthermore, it's funny how Kobe said MJ is GOAT ahh guess you left that out there? So did Horace Grant, Horry, Ron Harper, Chris Webber, Jalen Rose, T-Mac, Tracy Murray, Glen Rice all said MJ is GOAT and all who played with/against MJ/Kobe and i'm leaving out a shitload of people, you really want to play the quoting game kid?
Phil Jackson said MJ's greatness will never be surpassed in 2009, and he said in March 2011 that MJ should be taken out of the equation because it's unfair to compare anyone to him especially the fact that kobe doesn't shoot 50% like him (mentioned by Phil in the interview)
This makes you sound like a dumbass, because these are more RECENT than your 2008 quote, you mad that you just got embarassed? It's ok you're a dumb kobe homer
@Hawkhunter07 lmao its unfair because of MJ's image. please look up "The truth about Michael Jeffery Jordan". MJ is of course in the convo of GOAT but he is also the most overrated player of all time. Shoot 50%? ummm MJ is the best finisher he took mostly close range shots. Kobe is superior to MJ in shooting mid range to deep range dont deny that. If all you could play was 1 on 1 now a days like back then how much better would Kobe's scoring be. Jerry West- "Kobe is the best ever"
Once again, I'll have to smack you silly, Jerry West never said Kobe is the best ever, he said Kobe is the BEST LAKER EVER, do you ever use your brain? Show me a single article where Jerry West says Kobe is the best, let me lay the law on a dumbass like you, I bet you're referring to the youtube vid where the title is Jerry West: Kobe is the best ever, little did you know that the description also says "Kobe is the BEST LAKERS EVER", watch the vid next time lmfao! OWNED
I just quoted Phil Jackson for your stupid ass, he clearly says MJ's GREATNESS WILL NEVER BE SUPERSEDED, why do you keep bringing that image shit?
You're also contradicting yourself without knowing it, you rather not believe Kobe who said MJ was goat, and his teammates like Harper, Horry, Glen Rice, who all said MJ was goat, yet you BELIEVE David Stern who is constantly trying to create the next MJ in the league to maximize profit?
Don't play the quoting game kid, there are far more quotes from more credible players saying MJ is GOAT and how the era back then was harder, like I said, Phil Jackson said MJ would average 45 points in today's era, his GREATNESS WILL NEVER BE SUPERSEDED, it's unfair to compare ANYONE TO MJ, and MJ should be taken out of the equation, bigger hands, stronger body
vs Kobe has more skills LMFAO! Kobe might have more skills, but MJ has a greater mastery of them
I fucking laugh at how desperate kobe homers like you are, just listen to your dumbass for a while, first of all you were not even aware of these quotes until I showed your ass how recent they were.
Then you go on and try and distort Phil Jackson's word and say shit like OH it's not fair because of his image? LMFAO JUST hear how stupid you sound LOL what about "his greatness will never be superseded" or "Take MJ out of the equation", keep making shit up you know u fucked up haha
@Hawkhunter07 David Stren- "Kobe is there with Michael". lmao! I put up a quote by Phil Jackson and MJ's dick washer gets offended by the truth lol! i'll see if u reply if so i will continue with facts that u have to face
awesome! you lost all credibility when you quoted a person who has never played a single NBA game in his life and who's motives are to create the NEXT MJ in today's league just so the league will be more popular and less watered down
You decided to trust David Stern and ignore the opinions of players/coaches like Magic Johnson, Bird, Lebron, T-mac, Pippen, Glen Rice, Horry, Harper, Phil Jackson, Kobe, Jalen Rose, top 50 Hofers
You know you fucked up bad lol, ur argument is BAD
Buddy, I'm SMH right now, this is what I call selective hearing, you need to listen to the context of things, CLEARLY Jerry West is refering to him being the best Lakers ever, notice how Jerry West goes "We've never seen a player with his talent.....in a lakers uniform"? No one calls someone the greatest player ever when the year before he just outright said Lebron is better than Kobe. Get laughed at zonin on that little quote even though he keeps emphasizing being the best lakers
It's the same thing with people who already said MJ is GOAT but says Kobe is the best player on the planet, or Lebron James being the best player on the planet, well no MJ is on the planet too but if you even had a slight hint of how to look at the bigger context of things they mean they're the current best basketball player (with the youth and ability to still play)
You don't call someone the greatest players of all time and then go on to to talk about how he's the best in a very limited category, that's like someone saying "There is no better player that I seen in my life, no disrespect to Bob love, Scottie Pippen, Dennis Rodman, but he's the best player we've seen in a Bulls Uniform."
You also need to realize that Jerry West have already outright said Michael Jordan is the GREATEST Player of ALL TIME, and he also said in 2009 that Lebron has surpassed Kobe as a player.
You want to tell me one year after putting Lebron over Kobe he's got Kobe suddenly at the #1 spot all time even though in the interview he continually emphasizes best lakers of all time. Why doesn't he just say best player of all time in the end?
How can you place credibility on the words of David Stern and ignore the man himself Kobe Bryant who outright said MJ is GOAT?
Logically it doesn't even make sense, that's just being biased, David Stern's motives is to create the next MJ and hype up the league and make it popular.....he's money driven, and he's never played a single NBA game in his life
Now you ignore your idol Kobe who's a top 10 player of all time
@Hawkhunter07 Obviously you are an idiot. David Stern NEVER said that about Kobe until 2010 when Kobe torched the Suns or any other player for that matter. I simply dont call MJ GOAT BECAUSE MJ HIMSELF SAYS HE's NOT GOAT.
Do you ever use common sense for even a split second? There's no doubt Kobe played great in that series, and what better moment was there to hype things up other than when Kobe had just won a championship the year before and then just torched the suns having one of his best series? This does not change my argument as Stern motives and the fact that he is less knowledgable basketball wise than actual NBA players who played against/with MJ/Kobe
There is no point playing the quoting game, because for every quote you bring to the table talking about Kobe, I will find you more quotes from more credible player/coaches that will say MJ is GOAT, there is no need to twist the words of people just to prove your point, most people like me know Kobe is great but it's a disrespect to MJ reading some of the comments here.
@Hawkhunter07 twist the words??? my 1st comment was a direct quote from Phil saying Kobe is more skilled than MJ which is very much true that doesnt mean Kobe's a better player that only can truley be settled when Kobe retires. Did you read my last comment? MJ himself says he's NOT GOAT but ppl will continue to say that y? because that is his image
There is no point in comparing. Kobe is Kobe and Jordan is Jordan. Many of you just hate on Kobe and use Jordan as an excuse to downgrade him. Both players are great on their on way and people need to respect that.
@tmacbreezy No. "dumbass" im not talking about all time, im talking about the idiots who say kobe is better than MJ. im saying MJ is above Kobe all day everyday.
“Kobe has patterned himself after Michael, and there are a lot of identical things there,” Phil Jackson told the Los Angeles Times, “but it’s one thing to hope to be like him, it’s another thing to be like him.”
Gnite Kobetards go suck on yo mamas nipples n cry yo self to sleep.
I respect Kobe because he is really a good player. But he isn't a good leader. In Chicago Bulls, 23 leads the ship. In LA Lakers, 24 jumps out of the ship.
Kobe ain't no Jordan. yes! he is a great player, but not surpassing Jordan.
1 thing that separating them. its the heart. u can take Jordan's legs and arms but u can't took out his heart. HE'S WILL TO WIN.
yall ppl r so fuccin dumb. kobe is no where near better than michael jordan or even at his level. damn first off michael is much more skilled and much more clutch than kobe. plus jordan has an average 30.1 points in his career and he shot 51% from the field. kobe will never get that and kobe is nothing to jordan. jordan played in a very different era in which they didnt call every single touch a foul and it was more physical back then. so jordan is the best player of all time
MJ had a good supporting cast, and had a great sidekick in Pippen. BUT, the Bulls (correct me if I'm wrong) are the only franchise to win 'chips without a dominant big man. Shaq was there for the three championships, that was HIS team then, Kobe was the sidekick. Now it's Kobe's team, but they didn't win until they got Gasol, arguably the best center in the league right now. Kobe also has a good (better?) supporting cast w/ Odom, Artest, Fisher, Bynum, etc. Kobe's good, MJ = GOAT.
@TheAnswerIverson3 Even Kobe now has 5 rings, his finals performance can not compare with MJ's. Kobe's finals avg. FG% is about 40% in 7 series. And he has 2 times under 40%, in 2000 both Pacers' outside players: Rose & Miller outscored him and had much higher FG% than Kobe.
At 2009 his best series by himself, he had 43%, his team average 45%.
Against Celtics he has 40%.
He has only one 50 pt game in OT against Suns in playoffs.
I mean this GREAT player is not as great in playoffs!
I never said he didnt need any help. My point is, he was always the alpha dog of his team. Kobe was a sidekick to Shaq, that's a fact..When MJ retired the Bulls acquired Kukoc. They did good but they didnt go to the finals. Is that not much of a difference? Mj never had a center that dominates the game. Shaq was the most dominant center in the NBA. He was option 1 in the Lakers' offense.
@23fann The fact that Kobe had Shaq has nothing to do with a Kobe vs Jordan debate. If MJ had Shaq on his team when Shaq was in his prime then he would have been a fool it he tryed to score more or w/e than Kobe did with him. Obviously Kobe is better and more dominant of a scorer than Gasol but the Lakers always want to give Gasol looks. Kobe was better than Shaq in 2000-2004 but Big men always get more touches even if they aren't as good as the guard.
Where's the consistently BETTER results to PROVE it? I'mma keep askin' this question whenever U make these outlandish, not to mention incredibly ignorant comments about him in relation to anyone I KNOW (and can prove) did it better.
"Big men always get more touches even if they aren't as good as the guard"
Idiot..
He avg'd MORE mins & shots than Shaq from 1999-04 and STILL couldn't consistently produce better results than him..
@blackadam06 STATS DON'T TELL YOU EVERYTHING. DO YOU EVEN PLAY BASKETBALL? I PLAY EVERY DAY ALMOST AND BESIDES THE REALLY CRAPPY ONE'S, I HAVEN'T SEEN ANY GOOD TEAM THAT DOESN'T PLAY FROM INSIDE TO OUT. THAT MEANS THAT EVEN A NON OFFENSIVE CENTER LIKE KENDRICK PERKINS GET'S MORE TOUCHES THAN A GUARD LIKE SAY THABO SEFELOSHA WHO IS ABOUT AS GOOD AS PERKINS ON THE OFFENSIVE END. SHAQ MIGHT NOT AVERAGE KOBE'S FGA BUT HE PROBABLY RECIEVED TRIPLE THE TOUCHES KOBE DID.
They tell me EXACTLY what a kobe & MJ do regarding the "skilled facets" of the game, so miss me with that bullshit kid. You're ALWAYS trying to debate someone on the intangibles, because it allows U to NOT have to present any evidence.
"I PLAY EVERY DAY"
That has NOTHING to do with me, kobe or MJ.
Besides as I stated earlier, kobe avg'd MORE mins & shots per game than Shaq in the reg season & playoffs from 1999-04, so kill that noise..
@blackadam06What eveidence do you want? Stats from 2 different eras? The stats you're trying to use are like if a prosecutor said their suspects finger print was on the victims front door. A million people touch that door...that's not real proof. Neither are your stats. Like many of my teachers, you're making this to tough. You don't need statistics to watch and determine a better player or team.
"You don't need statistics to watch and determine a better player or team"
Oh really?
Then Ray Allen's a better scorer than kobe, and the Sacramento Kings had the most wins and were the BEST offensive & defensive team in the league this season because "I looked at them" to determine this..
U disagree?
Prove me wrong, and I wanna know HOW you're gonna do it..
Let's see what lame ass comment you're gonna come up with this time...SMH
@blackadam06 Now you are just being an idiot. Let me rephrase my instructions for your evidently small brain. Watch a player or team and watch whoever you want to compare that play or team to and then actually use your brain to decide which is better! If you watch and use comprehension instead of trying to be a smart ass like you are then you would say that Kobe is better at scoring than Ray Allen, and that the kings were one of the worst teams in the league.
I'm not the one insisting that U can tell which player/team is better just by "looking", nor am I ignorant (and arrogant) enough to imply that anything current is automatically superior & everything older than 2 mins ago is inferior.
Only U childish ass kobe homers think like that..
Brent Barry, Bruce Bowen & Ron Artest have ALL said that that the TOUGHEST guy they've EVER guarded was MJ, and they all played against him passed his prime.
@blackadam06 LOL 2 MINS AND 10 + YEARS DIFFERNECE ARE A big difference. A lot can happen in 10 years... In 10 pounds do you think that i'll still be skinny and wimpy like I am now? The answer is No... I'll be both faster and stronger in 10 years by A LOT. The NBA has gotten A LOT better from 96 to 2007 and later.
This is CURRENTLY the SMALLEST & LIGHTEST yrs on file since the 70's due to MORE teams drafting MORE wing players to capitalize on the new rules that FAVORS them.
@blackadam06 Brent Barry has no say in the comparison of MJ and Kobe because he's horrible at defense. Ron artest isn't good at guarding at Kobe bryant and that's why in 2009 the rockets primary defender on Kobe was Battier. Lemme guess.... You're gonna say Jalen rose said that to? The guy Kobe scored 81 on....lmao! I guess that means Ron isn't to good of a defender if Kobe dominates him. Any1 who won't even agnowledge the league now is more athletic isn't worth talking to.
@blackadam06 Lol guess what? First of all Jordan didn't play in the athetic time I'm talking about. Don't tell me what Jordan did the first half of the season. Every player gets injured... Kobe was averaging 29ppg on 48-49% shooting last year and played great defense the beginning of the season untill his injury. Jordan was playing harder than basically every1 in the regular season because he knew those were his last years and that the wizards weren't going to make the playoffs.
@blackadam06 Idc if you're out of your prime or not. You don't say a different player is better when some1 scores 81 on you. Brent Barry sucks at defense and he could make a non all star look like an allstar so don't tell me that he played against both of them. Where did you even get the statistics of the first half of the 02 season?
@23fann In 2001 Shaq said Kobe was the best player in the league meaning that Kobe was better than he himself. Besides which, no one is going to let a 20 year old be the primary option on a team with a dominant bigman in his prime. Most centers even if they aren't good recieve more touches than other players because most teams play from the inside to out.
At the start of the '96 season, MJ said Pip was the game's best player..it's called humoring your teammate. The best player on the team doesn't consistently (and efficiently) get OUTSCORED on less mins played & 5 less shot attempts in the reg season, playoffs & finals by the alleged "lesser" player.
GTFOH with that bullshit kid LOL!!
B4 the '02 All Star break, there were ONLY 2 guys in the league avg'n AT LEAST 25ppg 5apg 6rpg on 45.3 FG%..a 39 yr old MJ and T-mac LOL!!
@KobeConfidence Best player doesn't mean the most effective. Shaq was more efficient because he is huge and strong. He also rebounds and blocks shots better than Kobe. Kobe has more skills, no doubt but during that time, Shaq was the most dominant player in the world of basketball. Put Shaq in any team at that time and it becomes a contender. Kobe was a sidekick. That's a fact. You can never deny that.
@23fann It wasn't Kobe's fault that he was a sidekick which he wasn't. Besides the first title they won, Kobe was more important than Shaq was. I am a die hard L.A. fan and have watched them from the day I was born. Kobe was always the 4th quarter player and trust me Kobe had more meaningful playoff games to get them into the finals than Shaq did. The only reason why Shaq even appeared as good as he did in the finals was cause he had matchup advantages. He went up against smaller players.
@KobeConfidence That's a bullshit! Shaq was the most important player in the whole NBA at that time. They could have had replaced Kobe and still won 3peat.. Shaq's physical advantages are the reasons why he was unstoppable. Skills can be developed but size and athleticism can not. Kobe at that time was young and poor in his decission making. He was out of control often times. His FG% was low. In other words, he took many shots and made less than half of them.
You don't even make sense, Shaq was only good because he went up against smaller players? SO????? your point? Part of playing basketball is taking advantage of your strengths, it doesn't matter if he went up against smaller players, it's about what he contributed to the team, hell if there was this monster of a basketball player who was like 8 feet tall and just stayed inside the paint and averaged 40 pts a game he would still be better than Kobe and Shaq
@Hawkhunter07 My point in saying that was that that's why Shaq had better numbers than Kobe in the first 3 finals. Many Jordan homers always bring up how Kobe was a side kick so I'm trying to explain to them that he's not. Shaq was not better than Kobe and not more important than Kobe, But in those particular championship series he had match up advantages and that's why they primarily went to shaq. Gasol isn't better than Kobe but vs small teams, Lakers usually play through him and bynum.
Do you know how juvenile and naive that sounds? How was Shaq not important than Kobe if the team relied on him because they primarily went to shaq due to mach up advantages? LISTEN TO HOW STUPID YOU SOUND GOD
The objective of the game is to put the ball in the damn basket and win the game, it doesn't matter how you do it, if Shaq had an easier time posting up smaller players and dominating them, then he was more important than Kobe and hence Kobe was sidekick
"Many Jordan homers always bring up how Kobe was a side kick so I'm trying to explain to them that he's not. Shaq was not better than Kobe and not more important than Kobe, But in those particular championship series he had match up advantages and that's why they primarily went to shaq."
Shaq was not better than Kobe, yet the whole team primarily went to Shaq because he had match up advantages?
"Many Jordan homers always bring up how Kobe was a side kick so I'm trying to explain to them that he's not. Shaq was not better than Kobe and not more important than Kobe, But in those particular championship series he had match up advantages and that's why they primarily went to shaq."
So in all championship series, Shaq was not better than Kobe yet he had match up advantages and the team primarily went to Shaq?
"Many Jordan homers always bring up how Kobe was a side kick so I'm trying to explain to them that he's not. Shaq was not better than Kobe and not more important than Kobe, But in those particular championship series he had match up advantages and that's why they primarily went to shaq."
So in all championship series, Shaq was not better than Kobe yet he had match up advantages and the team primarily went to Shaq?
@Hawkhunter07 Shaq himself said Kobe was the best player in the league at 2001. Only a jordan homer will tell bring up Kobe as a sidekick. Did you see last nights game of Lakers vs Hornets? Kobe is the best player on the lakers but guess who were the main guys they went to? Andrew Bynum and Pau Gasol even though Gasol sucks lately. Shaq went up against a 6 '9 Benn Wallace, a old Dikembe Mumtumbo and Kenyon Martin... Of course they'd go to Shaq with those kind of matchup advantages.
@KobeConfidence I think Shaq was quoted one time saying his MOMMA was the best player in the league. Point is, Shaq has called all types of players, the best in the league. I bet if he called Lebron best in the league, you'd call Shaq the worst center of all time. Tell me its not true. LOL,....Kobe homer. Kobe was a sidekick. All actions prove it. No MVP...no Finals MVP during that time, and he wasn't the first option or the most efficient scorer on his team. What more do you need??
@23fann If that's true then you yourself have to admitt thhat Jordan isn't better than Kobe because of his fg %. That's the only thing you jordan fans bring up... Jordan shot 50% vs Kobe's lousy 45 %
@KobeConfidence You are out of your mind! Jordan averaged 30 ppg in his career and 34 ppg in the playoffs. He won 6 finals mvps, 10 scoring titles, 5 season mvps and a DPOY award. Now, what does Kobe have? Compare their career and think.
In case U haven't noticed, KobeConfidence is an idiot and is the typical kobe homer. He says any & everything, regardless of how illogical, ignorant and just flat out DUMB it sounds, just to build up his man-crush because he REFUSES to admit the obvious.
He REPEATEDLY gets proven wrong by factual information, but in typical kobe homer fashion, he just comes back with even MORE ridiculous comments & excuses.
The fact that he relies on excuses tells U A LOT about him & kobe..
It's ok, we all know KobeConfidence is an idiot long ago, he said he only started watching the NBA in 1998 where MJ retired from the bulls after his last shot, most Kobe fans you argue with you'll find out they are either very young, or they just never watched prime MJ in action, they watch these "highlights" that only show dunks and they think MJ had no footwork or shooting ability, it's stupid
@TheAnswerIverson3 kobe has 3 nba finals ring but da point is michael will always be da best because of his competitiveness and for also knowin wen to take games over.....dnt get me wrong kobe is a competitive player but jordan had a desire to play even wen hes hurt and knows wen to take over games. He also doesnt ever give up
Kobe at age 32 right now is better than MJ at age 33... KObe is averaging better numbers in few minutes than his career average while Jordans stats actually dropped at that age. Not to mention that Kobe is doing this during the time of new young faster, stronger and better players than Jordan saw.
@blackadam06 One stat you didn't mention is minutes per game... MJ averaged 37.9mpg vs Kobe's 33.8 mpg. Kobe would easily have those numbers with 4 more mins of playing time. That was Only MJ's 12th season. This Is Kobe's 15th. Kobe doesn't exert very much effort now days into the regular season. Minus the Shaq era years, Kobe's playoff stats aren't far off Mj's. Besides in 96-98, It was arguably a time full of some of the least talented and skilled players and fewest quantity of them.
1996-98 had some of the least talented & skilled players?
So I guess guys like a PRIME:
Shawn Kemp, Penny Hardaway, J-Kidd, Grant Hill, Steve Smith, Mitch Richmond, Glenn Rice, Allan Houston, JR Rider, Latrell Sprewell, Sean Elliott, Olajuwon, Kobe, KG, Reggie Miller, Glen Robinson, Ray Allen, Chauncey Billups, Bruce Bowen, Doug Christie, Michael Finely, Eddie Jones, Nick Van Excel, Juwon Howard, Scottie Pippen, etc..
Lol K I am done on this Subject all I gotta say is that Any fighter now days would kick a fighter from the past's ass in a battle and the same can be said for basketball players in the NBA. Some1 who get's a 4.0 GPA Isn't necessarily smarter than some1 who get's a 3.5 Gpa, The same can be said about stats. The person with better stats and more achievements isn't necessarily better meaning that MJ literally has no advantages or evidence to show he can do anything better than Kobe.
@KobeConfidence sigh! at the end of the day jordan had revolutionized the game of basketball and kobe i think lacks the creativity to influence the very aspect of the game (since he copied 90% of jordan's moves). disregard the stats since every era have different set of difficulties(back then its hard to score now defense is)but then again to be fair kobe's book is not finish.if he can make the nba an exciting league again by his own footprint then its kobe>mj....
@ezrajalel True that Jordan revolutionized to game more than Kobe but he too used 90% of his moves from other greats like Oscar Robertson. If you notice now days it's harder to invent things that are useful. The reason why is because people that were born before you came up with the usefull inventions. Because of technology, etc previous inventions are often improved but most of the time a new product is not made. Like wise Kobe has improved and perfected parts of MJ's game.
@ezrajalel Kobe doesn't copy all that much of Jordan anyway. Michaels nick name air jordan summarizes what he was most famous for: Dunks and lay ups. When you think of Kobe, he's always been a jump shooter not a dunker besides a few very nice ones he has done. In Mj's era there were no Kobe's Lebrons, Wades, Carmellos, Durants, etc there with him. Jordan was simply overhyped because at that time he was the only 1 who could do what he can do, but now days thats a totally different story.
@KobeConfidence Ever heard of Drexler,Barkley,Mulin,Wilkins,RIchmond,Rice,Bird,Magic,Malone,Thomas,ROdman,Olajuwon,RObinson,Ewing,Kemp and many more. Ther were more talents in Jordan's era than the present era. Present era is weak. They changed the rules for more scoring.
@23fann Exactly! Jordans era was the time of the bigs but had very few good perimeter players. How can you say this era was weak when most of the guys in Jordans era didn't even hit the weight room? The hand checking rules were gradually being made illegal in Jordans era so evidently in was his era that can't handle it.
@KobeConfidence Lol! Mark Price, Regie Miller,Hornacek were better perimeter players than what we have today.Hand checking is now illegal. This era can't handle it at all. Jordan dominated the league when it was totally legal. Regular fouls back then are now flagrants. Defensive players can't play real defenses because of the rules. Elite big men were allowed to camp in the paint unlike now. Big men are weak and limited by rules. Jordan dominated the NBA more than Kobe. despite the tough Ds.
@23fann LOL no they weren't! like i said ... The hand checking rule gradually became less legal in Jordans era. Plus I've watched many Jordan films and I don't see him hand checked really that much. Sometimes to play good defense you have to understand the guard you're guarding. It would be smarter to give some1 like MJ a few feet of room and force him to shoot 3's rather than play him tight and hand check him.
@KobeConfidence Jordan has the best low post moves that need handchecking. No matter what you say, Jordan will always be the greatest. He was never a sidekick to win a 3peat. Kobe always had dominant bigmen to win. When Gasol wasnt with the Lakers they were not even contenders.
@23fann Are you proposing that Michael Jordan never had help? His overall team with Pippen, Grant or Rodman, Bj armstrong, etc is probably better than the help Kobe gets. As far as being a side kick, every1 knows that Shaq wouldn't have those titles without Kobe and we all know that Kobe was the 4th quarter player not Shaq. Michael jordans team barely got worse when he retired in 1993-94 so it looks like Jordan has less of an impact on his team as people thought.
@KobeConfidencemichael jordan had the will & the skill to take the game 15 years into the future..kobe didnt win a championship after shaq left until he got better players and the bulls didnt win again until they got michael jordan back, look you're obviously a kobetard bcos ur even undermining jordan, and kobes great dont get me wrong, but jordan is on another level, the only time kobe can come into comparison wit jordan is when he retires has a short career in baseball returns to nba & 3peats
@dayze1111 Kobe has more skill and will than just about any1. He's had way more injuries than Mj and played through them. Kobe even admitted he was only at about 60% in the last finals. Jordan wasn't as important for the Bulls as people think. They lost only 2 more games once he left and they almost made it to the nba finals still.
@KobeConfidence i think its safe to say you're about 16 years old and/or didnt watch jordan growing therfore you have no idea what the fuck you're talking about
@dayze1111 lol whatever. Every Jordan fan is just brain washed by the media. How he changed the game bla bla bla. Kobe scored 30+ points on vs Jordan in his second year ! You watched a man(Jordan) scoring and dominating the league and thinking that he must be the best as a result. That's logical but you're unintentionally ignoring the environmental factors. Jordans era had weaker, slower and less skilled players than now. It's like in golf: You're not gonna play as good on a windy day as
Kobe's points in that game came in garbage time when Lakers were blown out and Jordan was sitting on the bench, the fact that you don't even know that and also because you've only started watching nba in the 1998 shows you know nothing about MJ once again
@Hawkhunter07 Uhmm no they didn't and by started watching in 98 I meant consistantly. I've watched Lakers since basically the day I was born. Yes I watched this game.
The MAJORITY of kobe's pts in that game were INDEED scored in the 4th qtr vs the Bulls reserves. He only scored 6 of his pts "on" MJ, and that's a fact dumb ass.
It's amazing that there are kids out there like U, who ROUTINELY try to replace the facts with their ignorant ass opinions, because they won't & don't allow U to perpetuate this delusional fan-boy myth about your man-crush...SMH
@blackadam06 I don't need to prove anything to you. I watched that game and whether you wanna believe it or not is up to you. I never said some of Kobe's points didn't come in garbage time but no, most didn't come in garbage time. Idc if he's 40... If jordan was so pationate about defense why didn't he even try to slow down Kobe?He scored 42 points in the first half vs the wizards and all Jordan did was watch.
@KobeConfidence Rose and Wade are just as good as Kobe. Kobe was not even the best player on three of those Championship teams, so please stop the madness. Kobe is a great scorer, but there are many of those type guys that compare to Kobe. The guard from Utah played Kobe head up and he held his own, but Kobe choked.lol
@ezrajalel But revolutionizing something does not make you better than some1 at something. We're talking about who's the best player (Kobe or MJ) not about who revlutionized the game more(Jordan). You might not like it but even if Kobe copies and performs every move Jordan did better, then yes he is technically better at basketball.
"if Kobe copies and performs [every move] Jordan did [better], then yes he is technically [better]"
Then SHOW US where's he's consistently done so..
I'm gonna keep asking U this until U can produce the goods, instead of a buncha juvenile, ignorant ass excuses or worse, fan-boy opinions. Just show us the proof!!
When compared to lets say a Joe Johnson or Paul Pierce, kobe's been better than both..his body of work PROVES it.
@blackadam06 Quit watching so much judge joe brown. You sound just like him. The reason why Kobe being compared to Pierce is easier to prove is because it's not even debatable. Kobe and MJ are so close and you aren't going to decide who's better by stats. If I ever get time then I will make a video breaking down wat a pussy league Mj played in show you why Kobe's better in it. Untill that day comes I'm not able to show you everything.
@blackadam06 Your not the first jordan fan to say show me why Kobe is better. The truth of the mattter is neither have you Jordan fans. All you guys do is make a big list of random numbers which are from two different eras and are imcomparible for that reason, as well as various other reasons. Some things don't have statistics involved bro. Theres really no proof we were created by god, yet most people believe we were. Sometimes what you see , you just have to believe.
Believing is what people do when they DON'T know, which PERFECTLY sums up the dumb mentality of U kobe homers. U keep trying to state as FACT what U want to believe.
I don't have to say "i believe" MJ was better at puttin' the ball in the hole. I KNOW it & most importantly, can PROVE it, by simply highlighting that he did it MORE consistently (51% as a bull), at a HIGHER rate (30.1ppg), and for a LONGER period of time (10 scoring titles).
@blackadam06 I'm SMH. Let me ask you this. Assuming you play bball, are you able to tell who the best player is when you play in a pick up game? Any normal person can. When you watch MJ and Kobe play without looking at stats, you can't tell much difference at all. You can look at film and visibly see how much weaker and slower most players were from Jordans era. For christ sake even Kevin Mchale who played in Jordans era was quoted saying they didn't hit the weight room like they do now.
Like all immature kids, you're actually comparing their "style of play" to determine who's better...SMH
Lets remove the stats & look at the OBVIOUS: MJ was faster, quicker, jumped higher, stronger & MORE explosive, was a better leader & defender, had a stronger will to win, was MORE efficient in the clutch, and was consistently far MORE dominant than Kobe's EVER been on BOTH sides of the ball.
"You can look at film and visibly see how much [weaker and slower] [most] players were from Jordans era"
I'll let Doc's comments speak for me:
"There's [no way] he (Rondo) could've played in [my era]. The [rules] would have [prohibited] some of the [guards] that are [great now] from being [as good] as they [are], because of [how physical] the game [was]."
-- Doc Rivers: "Hand Check Rules Have Brought Back Smaller PGs"; Nov 18, 2009
@blackadam06 I don't think it's "OBVIOUS" that MJ is faster, quicker etc etc, but I know MJ was better than KB in some parts of the game and the same can be said about KB. The era that each played in are vastly different so it's hard to say who's better overall. Also I'm a fan of both players, and think both are deserving of the title of "best player"
Only Mj is deserving, and if you can't see that its obvious MJ is faster you've never watched a prime MJ play in your life, how the fuck is Kobe the best when he has played this shit in the playoffs for his entire career?
@hiijaee Its not obvious. Its HELLA obvious. In every aspect of the game. More explosive in the legs. MJ was instinctive when it came to certain reactions defensively. WAAAAAAY quicker first step. Kobe just had a lot of playground moves that wowed the crowd. It also kept them blind to his reality. He's a ballhog and an inefficient player. Even Phil Jackson AND Pau Gasol has been caught alluding to that FACT.
@hiijaee Are you saying they were equal? Mj shit on kobe in every aspect except for the 3's. And Mj got 30 tripple doubles in his career, 27 in season, 2 in playoffs, 1 in allstar and in those triple double's, 13 of it were 30+ points, 3 were 41+ points..Kobe's career only have 12 tripple doubles.
@blackadam06 you are right and p[eople dont realize jordan more efficient period people look at the points and forget kobe has never shot above 46 percent from the field jordan for the most boasted 50 percent or better there is really no comparison between them and that was in a time when defenders were allowed to be more physical than they are now
@KobeConfidence Kark Malone, The Dream, Alonzo, Sir Charles.Kemp, Dominique and so on, were not weak. You should note that Shaq,Duncan,KG, and yes Kobe played in part of MJ's era and they did not come in and walk all over "the weak" Jordan era players. An old Mj still dominated the players that you say are so much stronger and better.
Magic and that team was getting older.. and also I'm sorry but unless theres more Help a great point guard and powerforward will NEVER win a champion ship together so they didn't even challange mj and the bulls. Lol and who cares if Kobes first 3 titles were with Shaq? U can't just say Kobe was only the best player on the lakers for 2 finals so MJ's better. It's not Kobe's fault that he was put onto a great team and was still learning how to play.
Kobe & D-Fish were OLDER last year when they won the title, than Magic, Scott & Worthy were in '91 when they faced the Bulls. Even Pierce, KG & Ray Allen were older than them when they won in '08..
1991 Lakers: Magic was 31, and Worthy & Scott were 30
1991 Pistons: Isiah & Rodman were 30, and Dumars was 28
Magic had a BETTER individual (overall) season in '91 than he did in '88 when he last won the title, so cut the age excuse kid..
for all the kobe fans , just answer me one things, how many times was kobe scoring champ, league mvp, and finals mvp, and win the ring in the same year, Jordan done it four times in his 6 championships, and i aint a kobe hater, cuz he's my favorite player in todays game, but dont go crazy on the comments talkin bout he better than jordan, cause there's no comparison, kobe's 81 points was vs a raptors team that was ranked last in defense that year, jordan 63 was in the playoffs vs rank 1 celtics
@DramaSettersTV Lol Kobe can do everything as good or better than MJ. He makes tougher shots, has longer range in shooting and is playing in the era of guards while MJ played in the era of centers which obviously don't guard a shooting guard. About Kobe's 81 point game... At least most of Kobe's points in that game were Jumpshots... MJ's 63 points were mostly from easy lay ups and short jumpers. Thank you for making my point of how sucky defense was back then LOL!
@KobeConfidence and to finish my arguement, the celtics team jordan scored 63 against in the playoffs went on to win the title that year, what did the raptors do the year kobe scored 81 ? lol i think that makes my point
In case U haven't figured it out, KobeConfidence is an idiot. He's just some kiddie kobe homer who like ALL of kobe's fans, totally disregards facts & evidence if it's not in his favor. He TOTALLY lacks perspective, and is ALWAYS looking to find someway to discredit MJ to make himself feel better about kobe
He resents MJ because he's a constant reminder of everything that kobe isn't. He ADMITTED on another video that he "only" started watching MJ in '98, so what's that tell ya?
"Kobe can do everything as good or better than MJ"
Then why can't U SHOW ME from within his body of work, where he's individually done as such?
"He makes tougher shots"
He takes DUMBER shots & only makes a LOW % of 'em..
"has longer range"
Yet his edge in 3pt shooting is ONLY a mere 2%, and only in the reg season at that. MJ's #8 All Time in MADE playoff 3ptrs..kobe's not even Top 10 LOL!!
"Thank you for making my point of how sucky defense was back then"
Aren't U tired of getting OWNED on this subject kid? Sheesh..
"Since the league introduced the 3-point shot in the 1980 season, only [64] teams have allowed [fewer] than [101 points] per 100 [possessions], but [48] of those 64 teams played between [1993-04], when [hand-checking] was more or less [legal]"
-- NY Times: "Off The Dribble: Classic Clash: Laker Offense vs Celtic Defense"; by Zach Lowe, June 3, 2010
@DramaSettersTV No number 1 ranked defensive team ever gives up 63 points to some1 lol. Lol that celtic defense didn't look any better that th 06 raptors lol. Not only did they give up 63 points from Jordan but they also gave up numerous high scoring games. Don't try telling me they were good at defense
@KobeConfidence you seriously gonna tell me, that inside shots in the time that you said was a centers era is easier than outside shots against defenders that are only looking at kobe shoot, watch the highlights of both games and jordan is surrounded and greatly denfended on every basket, and the kobe 81 game they only watch him shoot, they didnt even put a hand up, dont come wit dat bullshit jordan is like god to kobe, and jordan had 3 point range too so i dont know what your talkin about
@KobeConfidence you obviously dont know anything about jordans era or how great he was because no team ever in the history of the NBA has EVER won a title without a great center except the bulls, THATS how great jordan was, lakers barely win games if kobe scores too much, lol he's a cancer to his team, jordan averaged 30ppg his career, and kobe played the same amount of seasons, kobe is 31 and he's lookin washed up, jordan at 31 was owning the league, dont try that trash you dont know basketball
"that celtic defense ('86) didn't look any better that th 06 raptors"
Then go tell Olajuwon that, considering how they TOTALLY dismantled him & the Rockets in the Finals. It's amazing how desperate U kobe homers are in your never ending quest to discredit MJ at all costs, to build kobe up. U morons are just childish enough, and would rather say that the '86 Celtics weren't good at defense because MJ lit them up, than admit that MJ was just that good LOL!!
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Hey kobeconfidence, Jordan faced trash talking and hand checking was even worse back then. And what defense does Kobe face now that's tougher than mj23 the goat
Todays media blows players waaay out of proportion and the masses swallow it gladly. All these kids are just depressed because they missed the golden age of NBA with all it's excitement and intensity and therefore try to make up these delusional demi-gods of today's "no handchecking" sissy league. NOBODY could ever come close to the GOAT MJ.
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Instead of swallowing everything like sheep, write to the NBA to change rules back pre 2002 and stop drafting highschool kids!
still michael jordan thats all...... if kobe got his statue then lets say its kobe. but for now still mike. ok? the person who will replace jordan is not yet born....
@CrazyMan631 kobe is not a scorer anymore, do u understand that? i mean, he can score and average the same points as mj, but his game right now is to improve the other lakers to prepare them for kobe's retirement.
@specialwire you fucking out of you mind ..
jari1227 4 days ago
3rd 40 point game in a row for Kobe today. Showin' again he's better than Jordan.
SpecialWire 1 month ago
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tiger1649 2 months ago
Ur stupid Jordan played against Kobe when he was on the wizards
chriscastaneda1995 2 months ago
@chriscastaneda1995 Did you not see him playin against him @ 6:00 ?
kejuang 2 months ago
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Both are great . but for me . you cant compare the two because they played in diffrent eras . what if kobe played during the 80s and 90s .. can he stand the competitiveness of the players .. and what if jordan was still playing during this new millenia . would he survive the more athletic and more aggressive defenders of today ? we really cant tell .
23javern 4 months ago
"Kobe is more skilled than MJ" -Phil Jackson
YoungBeta 5 months ago
@YoungBeta
"Michael Jordan would average 45 points in today's era" - Phil Jackson
"Take Michael Jordan out of the equation, it's unfair to compare anyone with him" - Phil Jackson
"Michael Jordan's greatness will never be superseded" - Phil Jackson
"It's one thing to want to be like Michael, it's another to be like him (refering to Kobe)" - Phil Jackson
Want the links?
Hawkhunter07 4 months ago
@Hawkhunter07 1st off when was this said?? deff not recent. and 2nd... "Kobe is more skilled than MJ" -Phil Jackson
YoungBeta 4 months ago
@YoungBeta
"Stop comparing anyone to MJ"
slamonline(dot)com/online/nba/2011/03/phil-jackson-stop-comparing-anyone-to-michael-jordan/
Hawkhunter07 4 months ago
@YoungBeta
Funny thing is, that was said March 14th 2011, your quote is from 2008
You lose
Hawkhunter07 4 months ago
@YoungBeta
"I don’t think anybody will ever really touch what Michael has done for the game,” he said when asked if Kobe or LeBron James could ever vie for Jordan’s “best-ever” title. “They may be able to break a record he had or maybe win more championships. But Michael’s image as a player will always stand and his greatness will never be superseded.”"
nba(dot)com/bulls/news/jordanhof_jackson_090827(dot)html
2009, did I own your ass again?
Hawkhunter07 4 months ago
@Hawkhunter07 I think you are slow. You jus gave me a paragragh about MJ's IMAGE. no BBall player is EVER gonna surpass his IMAGE. but like Phil said... "Kobe is more skilled than MJ" -Phil Jackson lmao try again plz
YoungBeta 4 months ago
@YoungBeta
hmm not only do I think you're slow, I think you're pretty stupid, you're beating a dead horse
it says, MJ's GREATNESS will never be superseded, and it ALSO clearly says, DONT COMPARE ANYONE to MICHAEL JORDAN because it's not FAIR to do so and if u want to compare you have to take him out of the equation
learn to read? funny how you asked me when when urs was 3 years ago, these range from 2009-2011, try again please
Hawkhunter07 4 months ago
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Hawkhunter07 4 months ago
@YoungBeta
Furthermore, it's funny how Kobe said MJ is GOAT ahh guess you left that out there? So did Horace Grant, Horry, Ron Harper, Chris Webber, Jalen Rose, T-Mac, Tracy Murray, Glen Rice all said MJ is GOAT and all who played with/against MJ/Kobe and i'm leaving out a shitload of people, you really want to play the quoting game kid?
Hawkhunter07 4 months ago
@YoungBeta
"1st off when was this said?? deff not recent."
Phil Jackson said MJ's greatness will never be surpassed in 2009, and he said in March 2011 that MJ should be taken out of the equation because it's unfair to compare anyone to him especially the fact that kobe doesn't shoot 50% like him (mentioned by Phil in the interview)
This makes you sound like a dumbass, because these are more RECENT than your 2008 quote, you mad that you just got embarassed? It's ok you're a dumb kobe homer
Hawkhunter07 4 months ago
@Hawkhunter07 lmao its unfair because of MJ's image. please look up "The truth about Michael Jeffery Jordan". MJ is of course in the convo of GOAT but he is also the most overrated player of all time. Shoot 50%? ummm MJ is the best finisher he took mostly close range shots. Kobe is superior to MJ in shooting mid range to deep range dont deny that. If all you could play was 1 on 1 now a days like back then how much better would Kobe's scoring be. Jerry West- "Kobe is the best ever"
YoungBeta 4 months ago
@YoungBeta
Once again, I'll have to smack you silly, Jerry West never said Kobe is the best ever, he said Kobe is the BEST LAKER EVER, do you ever use your brain? Show me a single article where Jerry West says Kobe is the best, let me lay the law on a dumbass like you, I bet you're referring to the youtube vid where the title is Jerry West: Kobe is the best ever, little did you know that the description also says "Kobe is the BEST LAKERS EVER", watch the vid next time lmfao! OWNED
Hawkhunter07 4 months ago
@YoungBeta
I just quoted Phil Jackson for your stupid ass, he clearly says MJ's GREATNESS WILL NEVER BE SUPERSEDED, why do you keep bringing that image shit?
You're also contradicting yourself without knowing it, you rather not believe Kobe who said MJ was goat, and his teammates like Harper, Horry, Glen Rice, who all said MJ was goat, yet you BELIEVE David Stern who is constantly trying to create the next MJ in the league to maximize profit?
How stupid can you be? OWNED AGAIN?
Hawkhunter07 4 months ago
@YoungBeta
Don't play the quoting game kid, there are far more quotes from more credible players saying MJ is GOAT and how the era back then was harder, like I said, Phil Jackson said MJ would average 45 points in today's era, his GREATNESS WILL NEVER BE SUPERSEDED, it's unfair to compare ANYONE TO MJ, and MJ should be taken out of the equation, bigger hands, stronger body
vs Kobe has more skills LMFAO! Kobe might have more skills, but MJ has a greater mastery of them
Hawkhunter07 4 months ago
@YoungBeta
I fucking laugh at how desperate kobe homers like you are, just listen to your dumbass for a while, first of all you were not even aware of these quotes until I showed your ass how recent they were.
Then you go on and try and distort Phil Jackson's word and say shit like OH it's not fair because of his image? LMFAO JUST hear how stupid you sound LOL what about "his greatness will never be superseded" or "Take MJ out of the equation", keep making shit up you know u fucked up haha
Hawkhunter07 4 months ago
@Hawkhunter07 David Stren- "Kobe is there with Michael". lmao! I put up a quote by Phil Jackson and MJ's dick washer gets offended by the truth lol! i'll see if u reply if so i will continue with facts that u have to face
YoungBeta 4 months ago
@YoungBeta
awesome! you lost all credibility when you quoted a person who has never played a single NBA game in his life and who's motives are to create the NEXT MJ in today's league just so the league will be more popular and less watered down
You decided to trust David Stern and ignore the opinions of players/coaches like Magic Johnson, Bird, Lebron, T-mac, Pippen, Glen Rice, Horry, Harper, Phil Jackson, Kobe, Jalen Rose, top 50 Hofers
You know you fucked up bad lol, ur argument is BAD
Hawkhunter07 4 months ago
@YoungBeta
/watch?v=a4KUntexwuM
"Jerry West tells FOX Sports Radio that Kobe Bryant is the best Laker ever. Hear him explain why."
Did i just outright OWN YOUR ASS again and again?
Hawkhunter07 4 months ago
@Hawkhunter07 No you jus made yourself look dumb.. again
Jerry West says "There is no better player that I seen in my life." and then he goes into how he's the best Laker.
/watch?v=a4KUntexwuM
YoungBeta 4 months ago
@YoungBeta
Buddy, I'm SMH right now, this is what I call selective hearing, you need to listen to the context of things, CLEARLY Jerry West is refering to him being the best Lakers ever, notice how Jerry West goes "We've never seen a player with his talent.....in a lakers uniform"? No one calls someone the greatest player ever when the year before he just outright said Lebron is better than Kobe. Get laughed at zonin on that little quote even though he keeps emphasizing being the best lakers
Hawkhunter07 4 months ago
@YoungBeta
It's the same thing with people who already said MJ is GOAT but says Kobe is the best player on the planet, or Lebron James being the best player on the planet, well no MJ is on the planet too but if you even had a slight hint of how to look at the bigger context of things they mean they're the current best basketball player (with the youth and ability to still play)
Hawkhunter07 4 months ago
@YoungBeta
You don't call someone the greatest players of all time and then go on to to talk about how he's the best in a very limited category, that's like someone saying "There is no better player that I seen in my life, no disrespect to Bob love, Scottie Pippen, Dennis Rodman, but he's the best player we've seen in a Bulls Uniform."
Something sounds wrong? Keep twisting it
Hawkhunter07 4 months ago
@YoungBeta
You also need to realize that Jerry West have already outright said Michael Jordan is the GREATEST Player of ALL TIME, and he also said in 2009 that Lebron has surpassed Kobe as a player.
You want to tell me one year after putting Lebron over Kobe he's got Kobe suddenly at the #1 spot all time even though in the interview he continually emphasizes best lakers of all time. Why doesn't he just say best player of all time in the end?
Hawkhunter07 4 months ago
@YoungBeta
Also please answer this.
How can you place credibility on the words of David Stern and ignore the man himself Kobe Bryant who outright said MJ is GOAT?
Logically it doesn't even make sense, that's just being biased, David Stern's motives is to create the next MJ and hype up the league and make it popular.....he's money driven, and he's never played a single NBA game in his life
Now you ignore your idol Kobe who's a top 10 player of all time
You sound dumb
Hawkhunter07 4 months ago
@Hawkhunter07 Obviously you are an idiot. David Stern NEVER said that about Kobe until 2010 when Kobe torched the Suns or any other player for that matter. I simply dont call MJ GOAT BECAUSE MJ HIMSELF SAYS HE's NOT GOAT.
YoungBeta 4 months ago
@YoungBeta
Obviously you are stupid.
Do you ever use common sense for even a split second? There's no doubt Kobe played great in that series, and what better moment was there to hype things up other than when Kobe had just won a championship the year before and then just torched the suns having one of his best series? This does not change my argument as Stern motives and the fact that he is less knowledgable basketball wise than actual NBA players who played against/with MJ/Kobe
Hawkhunter07 4 months ago
@YoungBeta
There is no point playing the quoting game, because for every quote you bring to the table talking about Kobe, I will find you more quotes from more credible player/coaches that will say MJ is GOAT, there is no need to twist the words of people just to prove your point, most people like me know Kobe is great but it's a disrespect to MJ reading some of the comments here.
Hawkhunter07 4 months ago
@Hawkhunter07 twist the words??? my 1st comment was a direct quote from Phil saying Kobe is more skilled than MJ which is very much true that doesnt mean Kobe's a better player that only can truley be settled when Kobe retires. Did you read my last comment? MJ himself says he's NOT GOAT but ppl will continue to say that y? because that is his image
YoungBeta 4 months ago
DWade is right after MJ and Kobe.
Darycamps 6 months ago
Kobe is amazing, but no MJ! Different eras, different rules, different situations... Jordan is the man.
SDFU66 7 months ago
There is no point in comparing. Kobe is Kobe and Jordan is Jordan. Many of you just hate on Kobe and use Jordan as an excuse to downgrade him. Both players are great on their on way and people need to respect that.
wongalvin213 7 months ago
1. Jordan
2. Kobe.
Simple as that
calvin232323 8 months ago
@calvin232323 no... dumb ass it goes
1. jordan
2.wilt chamberlain
3. kobe
simple as that
tmacbreezy 5 months ago
@tmacbreezy No. "dumbass" im not talking about all time, im talking about the idiots who say kobe is better than MJ. im saying MJ is above Kobe all day everyday.
calvin232323 5 months ago
It will always be Jordan first Kobe second and Lebron will never be in the discussion
ErikDiaz18 8 months ago 2
“Kobe has patterned himself after Michael, and there are a lot of identical things there,” Phil Jackson told the Los Angeles Times, “but it’s one thing to hope to be like him, it’s another thing to be like him.”
Gnite Kobetards go suck on yo mamas nipples n cry yo self to sleep.
hus20 8 months ago
lol when they show michaels buzzer beaters they go in, kobes all miss ahahaha how can you compare lol
tapmasterflex 8 months ago
Shaq is wrong on one part....kobe rarely gets 9 assists. if he did get 9 assists every game i doubt shaq would of left
TheAnswerIverson3 8 months ago
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DALLAS 4-0 LAKERS = THUMBS UP C0ACH PHIL!
I respect Kobe because he is really a good player. But he isn't a good leader. In Chicago Bulls, 23 leads the ship. In LA Lakers, 24 jumps out of the ship.
Kobe ain't no Jordan. yes! he is a great player, but not surpassing Jordan.
1 thing that separating them. its the heart. u can take Jordan's legs and arms but u can't took out his heart. HE'S WILL TO WIN.
with0utify 9 months ago
yall ppl r so fuccin dumb. kobe is no where near better than michael jordan or even at his level. damn first off michael is much more skilled and much more clutch than kobe. plus jordan has an average 30.1 points in his career and he shot 51% from the field. kobe will never get that and kobe is nothing to jordan. jordan played in a very different era in which they didnt call every single touch a foul and it was more physical back then. so jordan is the best player of all time
dondon2346 9 months ago
Kobe you all good and that, but Michael jordan is the best basketball PLAYER of ALL TIME, ALL TIME!
marxsizmo 11 months ago 2
great vid
szondadavid 11 months ago
MJ = GOAT
MJ had a good supporting cast, and had a great sidekick in Pippen. BUT, the Bulls (correct me if I'm wrong) are the only franchise to win 'chips without a dominant big man. Shaq was there for the three championships, that was HIS team then, Kobe was the sidekick. Now it's Kobe's team, but they didn't win until they got Gasol, arguably the best center in the league right now. Kobe also has a good (better?) supporting cast w/ Odom, Artest, Fisher, Bynum, etc. Kobe's good, MJ = GOAT.
SFO14 11 months ago
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@SFO14
"the Bulls (correct me if I'm wrong) are the only franchise to win 'chips without a dominant big"
Isiah's Bad Boy teams didn't have one either.
I wouldn't call James Edwards or John Salley dominant..
blackadam06 10 months ago
@TheAnswerIverson3 Even Kobe now has 5 rings, his finals performance can not compare with MJ's. Kobe's finals avg. FG% is about 40% in 7 series. And he has 2 times under 40%, in 2000 both Pacers' outside players: Rose & Miller outscored him and had much higher FG% than Kobe.
At 2009 his best series by himself, he had 43%, his team average 45%.
Against Celtics he has 40%.
He has only one 50 pt game in OT against Suns in playoffs.
I mean this GREAT player is not as great in playoffs!
jimmychuang 11 months ago
I never said he didnt need any help. My point is, he was always the alpha dog of his team. Kobe was a sidekick to Shaq, that's a fact..When MJ retired the Bulls acquired Kukoc. They did good but they didnt go to the finals. Is that not much of a difference? Mj never had a center that dominates the game. Shaq was the most dominant center in the NBA. He was option 1 in the Lakers' offense.
23fann 1 year ago
@23fann The fact that Kobe had Shaq has nothing to do with a Kobe vs Jordan debate. If MJ had Shaq on his team when Shaq was in his prime then he would have been a fool it he tryed to score more or w/e than Kobe did with him. Obviously Kobe is better and more dominant of a scorer than Gasol but the Lakers always want to give Gasol looks. Kobe was better than Shaq in 2000-2004 but Big men always get more touches even if they aren't as good as the guard.
KobeConfidence 1 year ago
@KobeConfidence
"Kobe was better than Shaq in 2000-2004"
Where's the consistently BETTER results to PROVE it? I'mma keep askin' this question whenever U make these outlandish, not to mention incredibly ignorant comments about him in relation to anyone I KNOW (and can prove) did it better.
"Big men always get more touches even if they aren't as good as the guard"
Idiot..
He avg'd MORE mins & shots than Shaq from 1999-04 and STILL couldn't consistently produce better results than him..
blackadam06 10 months ago
@blackadam06 STATS DON'T TELL YOU EVERYTHING. DO YOU EVEN PLAY BASKETBALL? I PLAY EVERY DAY ALMOST AND BESIDES THE REALLY CRAPPY ONE'S, I HAVEN'T SEEN ANY GOOD TEAM THAT DOESN'T PLAY FROM INSIDE TO OUT. THAT MEANS THAT EVEN A NON OFFENSIVE CENTER LIKE KENDRICK PERKINS GET'S MORE TOUCHES THAN A GUARD LIKE SAY THABO SEFELOSHA WHO IS ABOUT AS GOOD AS PERKINS ON THE OFFENSIVE END. SHAQ MIGHT NOT AVERAGE KOBE'S FGA BUT HE PROBABLY RECIEVED TRIPLE THE TOUCHES KOBE DID.
KobeConfidence 10 months ago
@KobeConfidence
"STATS DON'T TELL YOU EVERYTHING"
They tell me EXACTLY what a kobe & MJ do regarding the "skilled facets" of the game, so miss me with that bullshit kid. You're ALWAYS trying to debate someone on the intangibles, because it allows U to NOT have to present any evidence.
"I PLAY EVERY DAY"
That has NOTHING to do with me, kobe or MJ.
Besides as I stated earlier, kobe avg'd MORE mins & shots per game than Shaq in the reg season & playoffs from 1999-04, so kill that noise..
blackadam06 10 months ago
@blackadam06What eveidence do you want? Stats from 2 different eras? The stats you're trying to use are like if a prosecutor said their suspects finger print was on the victims front door. A million people touch that door...that's not real proof. Neither are your stats. Like many of my teachers, you're making this to tough. You don't need statistics to watch and determine a better player or team.
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blackadam06 10 months ago
@KobeConfidence
"You don't need statistics to watch and determine a better player or team"
Oh really?
Then Ray Allen's a better scorer than kobe, and the Sacramento Kings had the most wins and were the BEST offensive & defensive team in the league this season because "I looked at them" to determine this..
U disagree?
Prove me wrong, and I wanna know HOW you're gonna do it..
Let's see what lame ass comment you're gonna come up with this time...SMH
blackadam06 10 months ago
@blackadam06 Now you are just being an idiot. Let me rephrase my instructions for your evidently small brain. Watch a player or team and watch whoever you want to compare that play or team to and then actually use your brain to decide which is better! If you watch and use comprehension instead of trying to be a smart ass like you are then you would say that Kobe is better at scoring than Ray Allen, and that the kings were one of the worst teams in the league.
KobeConfidence 10 months ago
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blackadam06 10 months ago
@KobeConfidence
"Now you are just being an idiot"
I'm not the one insisting that U can tell which player/team is better just by "looking", nor am I ignorant (and arrogant) enough to imply that anything current is automatically superior & everything older than 2 mins ago is inferior.
Only U childish ass kobe homers think like that..
Brent Barry, Bruce Bowen & Ron Artest have ALL said that that the TOUGHEST guy they've EVER guarded was MJ, and they all played against him passed his prime.
blackadam06 10 months ago
@blackadam06 LOL 2 MINS AND 10 + YEARS DIFFERNECE ARE A big difference. A lot can happen in 10 years... In 10 pounds do you think that i'll still be skinny and wimpy like I am now? The answer is No... I'll be both faster and stronger in 10 years by A LOT. The NBA has gotten A LOT better from 96 to 2007 and later.
KobeConfidence 10 months ago
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@KobeConfidence
1986-90
avg height = 6'8.72 -- avg weight = 220.46 lbs
1992-00
avg height = 6'6.20 -- avg weight = 212.67 lbs
2003-10
avg height = 6'5.48 -- avg weight = 210.00 lbs
This is CURRENTLY the SMALLEST & LIGHTEST yrs on file since the 70's due to MORE teams drafting MORE wing players to capitalize on the new rules that FAVORS them.
Try again dumb ass..
blackadam06 10 months ago
@blackadam06 Brent Barry has no say in the comparison of MJ and Kobe because he's horrible at defense. Ron artest isn't good at guarding at Kobe bryant and that's why in 2009 the rockets primary defender on Kobe was Battier. Lemme guess.... You're gonna say Jalen rose said that to? The guy Kobe scored 81 on....lmao! I guess that means Ron isn't to good of a defender if Kobe dominates him. Any1 who won't even agnowledge the league now is more athletic isn't worth talking to.
KobeConfidence 10 months ago
@KobeConfidence
"Brent Barry has no say in the comparison"
He played against BOTH of 'em, as well as WITH kobe U dumb fuck..SMH And kobe scored 81 on a past his prime Jalen Rose.
U keep talkin' about this era's superior athleticism, but here's what MJ did (B4 he got injured) for the 1st half of the '02 season vs kobe:
MJ: 25ppg 6rpg 5apg 47.2 FG%
KB: 26ppg 5rpg 5apg 45.4 FG%
That's in THIS ERA!! When he was a SHELL of himself at that point LOL!!
So miss me with that bullshit..
blackadam06 10 months ago
@blackadam06 Lol guess what? First of all Jordan didn't play in the athetic time I'm talking about. Don't tell me what Jordan did the first half of the season. Every player gets injured... Kobe was averaging 29ppg on 48-49% shooting last year and played great defense the beginning of the season untill his injury. Jordan was playing harder than basically every1 in the regular season because he knew those were his last years and that the wizards weren't going to make the playoffs.
KobeConfidence 10 months ago
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@KobeConfidence
2002 Season
MJ: 23ppg 5apg 5rpg 42% shooting <--- ages 38-39 (past his prime)
KB: 25ppg 5apg 5rpg 46% shooting <--- ages 23-24 (prime yrs)
He BARELY outperformed MJ in '02, and he was IN HIS PRIME.
"Jordan was playing harder than basically every1 in the regular season"
That's what EVERYONE is SUPPOSED to be doing dumb ass..SMH
So are U actually trying to discredit him because he was out there "playing hard", something a player is supposed to be doing?!!
LOL!! WTF?!!
blackadam06 10 months ago
@blackadam06 Idc if you're out of your prime or not. You don't say a different player is better when some1 scores 81 on you. Brent Barry sucks at defense and he could make a non all star look like an allstar so don't tell me that he played against both of them. Where did you even get the statistics of the first half of the 02 season?
KobeConfidence 10 months ago
@KobeConfidence
"You don't say a different player is better when some1 scores 81 on you"
SMH..typical immature reply that has 0 perspective, and makes no fuckin' sense whatsoever..
81 pts is 1 damn game!!! What part of this do U idiot kobe homers not understand?!!
Scoring a lot in 1 game DOES NOT make U better than the guy who CONSISTENTLY & efficiently scores at a higher rate!!
U kobe homers are BY FAR the dumbest & delusional group of so called fans I've ever seen in my life..SMH
blackadam06 10 months ago
@23fann In 2001 Shaq said Kobe was the best player in the league meaning that Kobe was better than he himself. Besides which, no one is going to let a 20 year old be the primary option on a team with a dominant bigman in his prime. Most centers even if they aren't good recieve more touches than other players because most teams play from the inside to out.
KobeConfidence 10 months ago
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@KobeConfidence
At the start of the '96 season, MJ said Pip was the game's best player..it's called humoring your teammate. The best player on the team doesn't consistently (and efficiently) get OUTSCORED on less mins played & 5 less shot attempts in the reg season, playoffs & finals by the alleged "lesser" player.
GTFOH with that bullshit kid LOL!!
B4 the '02 All Star break, there were ONLY 2 guys in the league avg'n AT LEAST 25ppg 5apg 6rpg on 45.3 FG%..a 39 yr old MJ and T-mac LOL!!
blackadam06 10 months ago
@KobeConfidence Best player doesn't mean the most effective. Shaq was more efficient because he is huge and strong. He also rebounds and blocks shots better than Kobe. Kobe has more skills, no doubt but during that time, Shaq was the most dominant player in the world of basketball. Put Shaq in any team at that time and it becomes a contender. Kobe was a sidekick. That's a fact. You can never deny that.
23fann 10 months ago
@23fann It wasn't Kobe's fault that he was a sidekick which he wasn't. Besides the first title they won, Kobe was more important than Shaq was. I am a die hard L.A. fan and have watched them from the day I was born. Kobe was always the 4th quarter player and trust me Kobe had more meaningful playoff games to get them into the finals than Shaq did. The only reason why Shaq even appeared as good as he did in the finals was cause he had matchup advantages. He went up against smaller players.
KobeConfidence 10 months ago
@KobeConfidence That's a bullshit! Shaq was the most important player in the whole NBA at that time. They could have had replaced Kobe and still won 3peat.. Shaq's physical advantages are the reasons why he was unstoppable. Skills can be developed but size and athleticism can not. Kobe at that time was young and poor in his decission making. He was out of control often times. His FG% was low. In other words, he took many shots and made less than half of them.
23fann 10 months ago
@KobeConfidence
You don't even make sense, Shaq was only good because he went up against smaller players? SO????? your point? Part of playing basketball is taking advantage of your strengths, it doesn't matter if he went up against smaller players, it's about what he contributed to the team, hell if there was this monster of a basketball player who was like 8 feet tall and just stayed inside the paint and averaged 40 pts a game he would still be better than Kobe and Shaq
Hawkhunter07 10 months ago
@Hawkhunter07 My point in saying that was that that's why Shaq had better numbers than Kobe in the first 3 finals. Many Jordan homers always bring up how Kobe was a side kick so I'm trying to explain to them that he's not. Shaq was not better than Kobe and not more important than Kobe, But in those particular championship series he had match up advantages and that's why they primarily went to shaq. Gasol isn't better than Kobe but vs small teams, Lakers usually play through him and bynum.
KobeConfidence 10 months ago
@KobeConfidence
Do you know how juvenile and naive that sounds? How was Shaq not important than Kobe if the team relied on him because they primarily went to shaq due to mach up advantages? LISTEN TO HOW STUPID YOU SOUND GOD
The objective of the game is to put the ball in the damn basket and win the game, it doesn't matter how you do it, if Shaq had an easier time posting up smaller players and dominating them, then he was more important than Kobe and hence Kobe was sidekick
Hawkhunter07 10 months ago
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@KobeConfidence
"Many Jordan homers always bring up how Kobe was a side kick so I'm trying to explain to them that he's not. Shaq was not better than Kobe and not more important than Kobe, But in those particular championship series he had match up advantages and that's why they primarily went to shaq."
Shaq was not better than Kobe, yet the whole team primarily went to Shaq because he had match up advantages?
LISTEN TO HOW STUPID that sounds please?
Hawkhunter07 10 months ago
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@KobeConfidence
"Many Jordan homers always bring up how Kobe was a side kick so I'm trying to explain to them that he's not. Shaq was not better than Kobe and not more important than Kobe, But in those particular championship series he had match up advantages and that's why they primarily went to shaq."
So in all championship series, Shaq was not better than Kobe yet he had match up advantages and the team primarily went to Shaq?
Listen to how stupid you sound please?
Hawkhunter07 10 months ago
@KobeConfidence
"Many Jordan homers always bring up how Kobe was a side kick so I'm trying to explain to them that he's not. Shaq was not better than Kobe and not more important than Kobe, But in those particular championship series he had match up advantages and that's why they primarily went to shaq."
So in all championship series, Shaq was not better than Kobe yet he had match up advantages and the team primarily went to Shaq?
Listen to how stupid you sound please?
Hawkhunter07 10 months ago
@Hawkhunter07 Shaq himself said Kobe was the best player in the league at 2001. Only a jordan homer will tell bring up Kobe as a sidekick. Did you see last nights game of Lakers vs Hornets? Kobe is the best player on the lakers but guess who were the main guys they went to? Andrew Bynum and Pau Gasol even though Gasol sucks lately. Shaq went up against a 6 '9 Benn Wallace, a old Dikembe Mumtumbo and Kenyon Martin... Of course they'd go to Shaq with those kind of matchup advantages.
KobeConfidence 10 months ago
@KobeConfidence I think Shaq was quoted one time saying his MOMMA was the best player in the league. Point is, Shaq has called all types of players, the best in the league. I bet if he called Lebron best in the league, you'd call Shaq the worst center of all time. Tell me its not true. LOL,....Kobe homer. Kobe was a sidekick. All actions prove it. No MVP...no Finals MVP during that time, and he wasn't the first option or the most efficient scorer on his team. What more do you need??
NBAGOATS 8 months ago
@23fann If that's true then you yourself have to admitt thhat Jordan isn't better than Kobe because of his fg %. That's the only thing you jordan fans bring up... Jordan shot 50% vs Kobe's lousy 45 %
KobeConfidence 10 months ago
@KobeConfidence You are out of your mind! Jordan averaged 30 ppg in his career and 34 ppg in the playoffs. He won 6 finals mvps, 10 scoring titles, 5 season mvps and a DPOY award. Now, what does Kobe have? Compare their career and think.
23fann 10 months ago
@23fann
In case U haven't noticed, KobeConfidence is an idiot and is the typical kobe homer. He says any & everything, regardless of how illogical, ignorant and just flat out DUMB it sounds, just to build up his man-crush because he REFUSES to admit the obvious.
He REPEATEDLY gets proven wrong by factual information, but in typical kobe homer fashion, he just comes back with even MORE ridiculous comments & excuses.
The fact that he relies on excuses tells U A LOT about him & kobe..
blackadam06 10 months ago
@blackadam06
It's ok, we all know KobeConfidence is an idiot long ago, he said he only started watching the NBA in 1998 where MJ retired from the bulls after his last shot, most Kobe fans you argue with you'll find out they are either very young, or they just never watched prime MJ in action, they watch these "highlights" that only show dunks and they think MJ had no footwork or shooting ability, it's stupid
Hawkhunter07 10 months ago
@blackadam06 Yup! it is so useless arguing with him. He doesn't see things quite clearly.
23fann 10 months ago
@TheAnswerIverson3 kobe has 3 nba finals ring but da point is michael will always be da best because of his competitiveness and for also knowin wen to take games over.....dnt get me wrong kobe is a competitive player but jordan had a desire to play even wen hes hurt and knows wen to take over games. He also doesnt ever give up
ex 1998 bull vs jazz game 6
watch da full game
gmoney2820 1 year ago
Kobe at age 32 right now is better than MJ at age 33... KObe is averaging better numbers in few minutes than his career average while Jordans stats actually dropped at that age. Not to mention that Kobe is doing this during the time of new young faster, stronger and better players than Jordan saw.
KobeConfidence 1 year ago
@KobeConfidence
"Kobe at [age 32] right now is better than MJ at [age 33]"
33 yr old MJ: 29ppg 6rpg 4apg 1.71spg 48.6 FG% [27.8 PER]
32 yr old KB: 25ppg 5rpg 4apg 1.23spg 45.2 FG% [23.7 PER]
The PER says it all, because it accounts for their consistent OVERALL performance (pts, asts, rebs, blks, FG%, etc.)
Don't U get tired of lookin' & sounding like an idiot?
The rest of your comment is so ridiculous that it's not even worth addressing, because its been debunked too many times..
blackadam06 10 months ago
@blackadam06 One stat you didn't mention is minutes per game... MJ averaged 37.9mpg vs Kobe's 33.8 mpg. Kobe would easily have those numbers with 4 more mins of playing time. That was Only MJ's 12th season. This Is Kobe's 15th. Kobe doesn't exert very much effort now days into the regular season. Minus the Shaq era years, Kobe's playoff stats aren't far off Mj's. Besides in 96-98, It was arguably a time full of some of the least talented and skilled players and fewest quantity of them.
KobeConfidence 10 months ago
@KobeConfidence
"you didn't mention is minutes per game"
I don't have to.. he's ALREADY played more mins & games than MJ, and is NOWHERE CLOSE to him, so please, cut the bullshit excuses.
"Minus the Shaq era years, Kobe's playoff stats aren't far off MJ's"
That's an even bigger joke than your 1st premise..
blackadam06 10 months ago
@KobeConfidence
1996-98 had some of the least talented & skilled players?
So I guess guys like a PRIME:
Shawn Kemp, Penny Hardaway, J-Kidd, Grant Hill, Steve Smith, Mitch Richmond, Glenn Rice, Allan Houston, JR Rider, Latrell Sprewell, Sean Elliott, Olajuwon, Kobe, KG, Reggie Miller, Glen Robinson, Ray Allen, Chauncey Billups, Bruce Bowen, Doug Christie, Michael Finely, Eddie Jones, Nick Van Excel, Juwon Howard, Scottie Pippen, etc..
weren't skilled & talented huh?
Fuckin' idiot..SMH
blackadam06 10 months ago
@KobeConfidence
All U do is make childish, ignorant comments about a era U didn't even see, just so U can try to prop up kobe to MJ's level..it's pathetic
1990-98: 38 teams won AT LEAST 50 games
2000-08: only had 28 teams do it
1990-98: 18 teams won AT LEAST 60 games
2000-08: only had 12 teams do it
All of the Top 50 teams with the highest FG% & assist ratios are from the 80s & 90s. Not 1 from the 00s are on that list.
So what dumb ass comment or excuse are ya gonna use this time?
blackadam06 10 months ago
Lol K I am done on this Subject all I gotta say is that Any fighter now days would kick a fighter from the past's ass in a battle and the same can be said for basketball players in the NBA. Some1 who get's a 4.0 GPA Isn't necessarily smarter than some1 who get's a 3.5 Gpa, The same can be said about stats. The person with better stats and more achievements isn't necessarily better meaning that MJ literally has no advantages or evidence to show he can do anything better than Kobe.
KobeConfidence 1 year ago
@KobeConfidence sigh! at the end of the day jordan had revolutionized the game of basketball and kobe i think lacks the creativity to influence the very aspect of the game (since he copied 90% of jordan's moves). disregard the stats since every era have different set of difficulties(back then its hard to score now defense is)but then again to be fair kobe's book is not finish.if he can make the nba an exciting league again by his own footprint then its kobe>mj....
ezrajalel 1 year ago
@ezrajalel True that Jordan revolutionized to game more than Kobe but he too used 90% of his moves from other greats like Oscar Robertson. If you notice now days it's harder to invent things that are useful. The reason why is because people that were born before you came up with the usefull inventions. Because of technology, etc previous inventions are often improved but most of the time a new product is not made. Like wise Kobe has improved and perfected parts of MJ's game.
KobeConfidence 1 year ago
@ezrajalel Kobe doesn't copy all that much of Jordan anyway. Michaels nick name air jordan summarizes what he was most famous for: Dunks and lay ups. When you think of Kobe, he's always been a jump shooter not a dunker besides a few very nice ones he has done. In Mj's era there were no Kobe's Lebrons, Wades, Carmellos, Durants, etc there with him. Jordan was simply overhyped because at that time he was the only 1 who could do what he can do, but now days thats a totally different story.
KobeConfidence 1 year ago
@KobeConfidence Ever heard of Drexler,Barkley,Mulin,Wilkins,RIchmond,Rice,Bird,Magic,Malone,Thomas,ROdman,Olajuwon,RObinson,Ewing,Kemp and many more. Ther were more talents in Jordan's era than the present era. Present era is weak. They changed the rules for more scoring.
23fann 1 year ago
@23fann Exactly! Jordans era was the time of the bigs but had very few good perimeter players. How can you say this era was weak when most of the guys in Jordans era didn't even hit the weight room? The hand checking rules were gradually being made illegal in Jordans era so evidently in was his era that can't handle it.
KobeConfidence 1 year ago
@KobeConfidence Lol! Mark Price, Regie Miller,Hornacek were better perimeter players than what we have today.Hand checking is now illegal. This era can't handle it at all. Jordan dominated the league when it was totally legal. Regular fouls back then are now flagrants. Defensive players can't play real defenses because of the rules. Elite big men were allowed to camp in the paint unlike now. Big men are weak and limited by rules. Jordan dominated the NBA more than Kobe. despite the tough Ds.
23fann 1 year ago
@23fann LOL no they weren't! like i said ... The hand checking rule gradually became less legal in Jordans era. Plus I've watched many Jordan films and I don't see him hand checked really that much. Sometimes to play good defense you have to understand the guard you're guarding. It would be smarter to give some1 like MJ a few feet of room and force him to shoot 3's rather than play him tight and hand check him.
KobeConfidence 1 year ago
@KobeConfidence Jordan has the best low post moves that need handchecking. No matter what you say, Jordan will always be the greatest. He was never a sidekick to win a 3peat. Kobe always had dominant bigmen to win. When Gasol wasnt with the Lakers they were not even contenders.
23fann 1 year ago
@23fann Are you proposing that Michael Jordan never had help? His overall team with Pippen, Grant or Rodman, Bj armstrong, etc is probably better than the help Kobe gets. As far as being a side kick, every1 knows that Shaq wouldn't have those titles without Kobe and we all know that Kobe was the 4th quarter player not Shaq. Michael jordans team barely got worse when he retired in 1993-94 so it looks like Jordan has less of an impact on his team as people thought.
KobeConfidence 1 year ago
@KobeConfidencemichael jordan had the will & the skill to take the game 15 years into the future..kobe didnt win a championship after shaq left until he got better players and the bulls didnt win again until they got michael jordan back, look you're obviously a kobetard bcos ur even undermining jordan, and kobes great dont get me wrong, but jordan is on another level, the only time kobe can come into comparison wit jordan is when he retires has a short career in baseball returns to nba & 3peats
dayze1111 11 months ago
@dayze1111 Kobe has more skill and will than just about any1. He's had way more injuries than Mj and played through them. Kobe even admitted he was only at about 60% in the last finals. Jordan wasn't as important for the Bulls as people think. They lost only 2 more games once he left and they almost made it to the nba finals still.
KobeConfidence 11 months ago
@KobeConfidence i think its safe to say you're about 16 years old and/or didnt watch jordan growing therfore you have no idea what the fuck you're talking about
dayze1111 11 months ago
@dayze1111 lol whatever. Every Jordan fan is just brain washed by the media. How he changed the game bla bla bla. Kobe scored 30+ points on vs Jordan in his second year ! You watched a man(Jordan) scoring and dominating the league and thinking that he must be the best as a result. That's logical but you're unintentionally ignoring the environmental factors. Jordans era had weaker, slower and less skilled players than now. It's like in golf: You're not gonna play as good on a windy day as
KobeConfidence 11 months ago
@KobeConfidence a regular day.
KobeConfidence 11 months ago
@KobeConfidence
Kobe's points in that game came in garbage time when Lakers were blown out and Jordan was sitting on the bench, the fact that you don't even know that and also because you've only started watching nba in the 1998 shows you know nothing about MJ once again
Hawkhunter07 10 months ago
@Hawkhunter07 Uhmm no they didn't and by started watching in 98 I meant consistantly. I've watched Lakers since basically the day I was born. Yes I watched this game.
KobeConfidence 10 months ago
@KobeConfidence
"Uhmm no they didn't"
Uhh yes they DID..
The MAJORITY of kobe's pts in that game were INDEED scored in the 4th qtr vs the Bulls reserves. He only scored 6 of his pts "on" MJ, and that's a fact dumb ass.
It's amazing that there are kids out there like U, who ROUTINELY try to replace the facts with their ignorant ass opinions, because they won't & don't allow U to perpetuate this delusional fan-boy myth about your man-crush...SMH
blackadam06 10 months ago
@blackadam06 I don't need to prove anything to you. I watched that game and whether you wanna believe it or not is up to you. I never said some of Kobe's points didn't come in garbage time but no, most didn't come in garbage time. Idc if he's 40... If jordan was so pationate about defense why didn't he even try to slow down Kobe?He scored 42 points in the first half vs the wizards and all Jordan did was watch.
KobeConfidence 10 months ago
@KobeConfidence Rose and Wade are just as good as Kobe. Kobe was not even the best player on three of those Championship teams, so please stop the madness. Kobe is a great scorer, but there are many of those type guys that compare to Kobe. The guard from Utah played Kobe head up and he held his own, but Kobe choked.lol
123bigr 10 months ago
@123bigr wade my fav player
caca9199151 10 months ago
@KobeConfidence
HAHAHAHA I laughed at "no they didn't" you clearly didn't watch that game you dumbass son of a bitch
Hawkhunter07 10 months ago
@ezrajalel But revolutionizing something does not make you better than some1 at something. We're talking about who's the best player (Kobe or MJ) not about who revlutionized the game more(Jordan). You might not like it but even if Kobe copies and performs every move Jordan did better, then yes he is technically better at basketball.
KobeConfidence 10 months ago
@KobeConfidence
"if Kobe copies and performs [every move] Jordan did [better], then yes he is technically [better]"
Then SHOW US where's he's consistently done so..
I'm gonna keep asking U this until U can produce the goods, instead of a buncha juvenile, ignorant ass excuses or worse, fan-boy opinions. Just show us the proof!!
When compared to lets say a Joe Johnson or Paul Pierce, kobe's been better than both..his body of work PROVES it.
So why doesn't it prove it in regards to MJ?
blackadam06 10 months ago 2
@blackadam06 Quit watching so much judge joe brown. You sound just like him. The reason why Kobe being compared to Pierce is easier to prove is because it's not even debatable. Kobe and MJ are so close and you aren't going to decide who's better by stats. If I ever get time then I will make a video breaking down wat a pussy league Mj played in show you why Kobe's better in it. Untill that day comes I'm not able to show you everything.
KobeConfidence 10 months ago
@KobeConfidence
Your comment is so ignorant & childish, that it's not even worth elaborating on.
blackadam06 10 months ago
@blackadam06 Your not the first jordan fan to say show me why Kobe is better. The truth of the mattter is neither have you Jordan fans. All you guys do is make a big list of random numbers which are from two different eras and are imcomparible for that reason, as well as various other reasons. Some things don't have statistics involved bro. Theres really no proof we were created by god, yet most people believe we were. Sometimes what you see , you just have to believe.
KobeConfidence 10 months ago
@KobeConfidence
"you just have to believe"
SMH..
Believing is what people do when they DON'T know, which PERFECTLY sums up the dumb mentality of U kobe homers. U keep trying to state as FACT what U want to believe.
I don't have to say "i believe" MJ was better at puttin' the ball in the hole. I KNOW it & most importantly, can PROVE it, by simply highlighting that he did it MORE consistently (51% as a bull), at a HIGHER rate (30.1ppg), and for a LONGER period of time (10 scoring titles).
blackadam06 10 months ago 11
@blackadam06 I'm SMH. Let me ask you this. Assuming you play bball, are you able to tell who the best player is when you play in a pick up game? Any normal person can. When you watch MJ and Kobe play without looking at stats, you can't tell much difference at all. You can look at film and visibly see how much weaker and slower most players were from Jordans era. For christ sake even Kevin Mchale who played in Jordans era was quoted saying they didn't hit the weight room like they do now.
KobeConfidence 10 months ago
@KobeConfidence
Your comment is bullshit kid & U know it..
Like all immature kids, you're actually comparing their "style of play" to determine who's better...SMH
Lets remove the stats & look at the OBVIOUS: MJ was faster, quicker, jumped higher, stronger & MORE explosive, was a better leader & defender, had a stronger will to win, was MORE efficient in the clutch, and was consistently far MORE dominant than Kobe's EVER been on BOTH sides of the ball.
And he NEVER lost in the finals..
blackadam06 10 months ago 19
@KobeConfidence
"You can look at film and visibly see how much [weaker and slower] [most] players were from Jordans era"
I'll let Doc's comments speak for me:
"There's [no way] he (Rondo) could've played in [my era]. The [rules] would have [prohibited] some of the [guards] that are [great now] from being [as good] as they [are], because of [how physical] the game [was]."
-- Doc Rivers: "Hand Check Rules Have Brought Back Smaller PGs"; Nov 18, 2009
Your comments WREAK of immature stupidity..
blackadam06 10 months ago
@blackadam06 I don't think it's "OBVIOUS" that MJ is faster, quicker etc etc, but I know MJ was better than KB in some parts of the game and the same can be said about KB. The era that each played in are vastly different so it's hard to say who's better overall. Also I'm a fan of both players, and think both are deserving of the title of "best player"
hiijaee 9 months ago
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@hiijaee
"When he [enrolled] at Chapel Hill, Jordan ran the 40-yard dash in [4.6 seconds]. This fall, he ran a [4.3]."
-- Dean Smith, Sports Illustrated, Nov 28, 1983
Show me some documented PROOF like that from kobe..
MJ circa 1984-92 had explosive quickness off the dribble like D-Rose, but he's 6'6 and jumped MUCH HIGHER..
blackadam06 9 months ago
@hiijaee
Only Mj is deserving, and if you can't see that its obvious MJ is faster you've never watched a prime MJ play in your life, how the fuck is Kobe the best when he has played this shit in the playoffs for his entire career?
Hawkhunter07 9 months ago
@hiijaee Its not obvious. Its HELLA obvious. In every aspect of the game. More explosive in the legs. MJ was instinctive when it came to certain reactions defensively. WAAAAAAY quicker first step. Kobe just had a lot of playground moves that wowed the crowd. It also kept them blind to his reality. He's a ballhog and an inefficient player. Even Phil Jackson AND Pau Gasol has been caught alluding to that FACT.
NBAGOATS 8 months ago
@hiijaee Are you saying they were equal? Mj shit on kobe in every aspect except for the 3's. And Mj got 30 tripple doubles in his career, 27 in season, 2 in playoffs, 1 in allstar and in those triple double's, 13 of it were 30+ points, 3 were 41+ points..Kobe's career only have 12 tripple doubles.
vitalcoordinates 5 months ago
@vitalcoordinates am sorry 17, i suppose lol
vitalcoordinates 5 months ago
@blackadam06 you are right and p[eople dont realize jordan more efficient period people look at the points and forget kobe has never shot above 46 percent from the field jordan for the most boasted 50 percent or better there is really no comparison between them and that was in a time when defenders were allowed to be more physical than they are now
zonic7 6 months ago
@KobeConfidence Kark Malone, The Dream, Alonzo, Sir Charles.Kemp, Dominique and so on, were not weak. You should note that Shaq,Duncan,KG, and yes Kobe played in part of MJ's era and they did not come in and walk all over "the weak" Jordan era players. An old Mj still dominated the players that you say are so much stronger and better.
123bigr 10 months ago
Magic and that team was getting older.. and also I'm sorry but unless theres more Help a great point guard and powerforward will NEVER win a champion ship together so they didn't even challange mj and the bulls. Lol and who cares if Kobes first 3 titles were with Shaq? U can't just say Kobe was only the best player on the lakers for 2 finals so MJ's better. It's not Kobe's fault that he was put onto a great team and was still learning how to play.
KobeConfidence 1 year ago
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@KobeConfidence
"Magic and that team was getting older"
Kobe & D-Fish were OLDER last year when they won the title, than Magic, Scott & Worthy were in '91 when they faced the Bulls. Even Pierce, KG & Ray Allen were older than them when they won in '08..
1991 Lakers: Magic was 31, and Worthy & Scott were 30
1991 Pistons: Isiah & Rodman were 30, and Dumars was 28
Magic had a BETTER individual (overall) season in '91 than he did in '88 when he last won the title, so cut the age excuse kid..
blackadam06 1 year ago
for all the kobe fans , just answer me one things, how many times was kobe scoring champ, league mvp, and finals mvp, and win the ring in the same year, Jordan done it four times in his 6 championships, and i aint a kobe hater, cuz he's my favorite player in todays game, but dont go crazy on the comments talkin bout he better than jordan, cause there's no comparison, kobe's 81 points was vs a raptors team that was ranked last in defense that year, jordan 63 was in the playoffs vs rank 1 celtics
DramaSettersTV 1 year ago
@DramaSettersTV Lol Kobe can do everything as good or better than MJ. He makes tougher shots, has longer range in shooting and is playing in the era of guards while MJ played in the era of centers which obviously don't guard a shooting guard. About Kobe's 81 point game... At least most of Kobe's points in that game were Jumpshots... MJ's 63 points were mostly from easy lay ups and short jumpers. Thank you for making my point of how sucky defense was back then LOL!
KobeConfidence 1 year ago
@KobeConfidence and to finish my arguement, the celtics team jordan scored 63 against in the playoffs went on to win the title that year, what did the raptors do the year kobe scored 81 ? lol i think that makes my point
DramaSettersTV 1 year ago
@DramaSettersTV
In case U haven't figured it out, KobeConfidence is an idiot. He's just some kiddie kobe homer who like ALL of kobe's fans, totally disregards facts & evidence if it's not in his favor. He TOTALLY lacks perspective, and is ALWAYS looking to find someway to discredit MJ to make himself feel better about kobe
He resents MJ because he's a constant reminder of everything that kobe isn't. He ADMITTED on another video that he "only" started watching MJ in '98, so what's that tell ya?
blackadam06 1 year ago
@KobeConfidence
"Kobe can do everything as good or better than MJ"
Then why can't U SHOW ME from within his body of work, where he's individually done as such?
"He makes tougher shots"
He takes DUMBER shots & only makes a LOW % of 'em..
"has longer range"
Yet his edge in 3pt shooting is ONLY a mere 2%, and only in the reg season at that. MJ's #8 All Time in MADE playoff 3ptrs..kobe's not even Top 10 LOL!!
blackadam06 1 year ago
@KobeConfidence
"Thank you for making my point of how sucky defense was back then"
Aren't U tired of getting OWNED on this subject kid? Sheesh..
"Since the league introduced the 3-point shot in the 1980 season, only [64] teams have allowed [fewer] than [101 points] per 100 [possessions], but [48] of those 64 teams played between [1993-04], when [hand-checking] was more or less [legal]"
-- NY Times: "Off The Dribble: Classic Clash: Laker Offense vs Celtic Defense"; by Zach Lowe, June 3, 2010
blackadam06 1 year ago
@DramaSettersTV No number 1 ranked defensive team ever gives up 63 points to some1 lol. Lol that celtic defense didn't look any better that th 06 raptors lol. Not only did they give up 63 points from Jordan but they also gave up numerous high scoring games. Don't try telling me they were good at defense
KobeConfidence 1 year ago
@KobeConfidence you seriously gonna tell me, that inside shots in the time that you said was a centers era is easier than outside shots against defenders that are only looking at kobe shoot, watch the highlights of both games and jordan is surrounded and greatly denfended on every basket, and the kobe 81 game they only watch him shoot, they didnt even put a hand up, dont come wit dat bullshit jordan is like god to kobe, and jordan had 3 point range too so i dont know what your talkin about
DramaSettersTV 1 year ago
@KobeConfidence you obviously dont know anything about jordans era or how great he was because no team ever in the history of the NBA has EVER won a title without a great center except the bulls, THATS how great jordan was, lakers barely win games if kobe scores too much, lol he's a cancer to his team, jordan averaged 30ppg his career, and kobe played the same amount of seasons, kobe is 31 and he's lookin washed up, jordan at 31 was owning the league, dont try that trash you dont know basketball
DramaSettersTV 1 year ago
@KobeConfidence
"that celtic defense ('86) didn't look any better that th 06 raptors"
Then go tell Olajuwon that, considering how they TOTALLY dismantled him & the Rockets in the Finals. It's amazing how desperate U kobe homers are in your never ending quest to discredit MJ at all costs, to build kobe up. U morons are just childish enough, and would rather say that the '86 Celtics weren't good at defense because MJ lit them up, than admit that MJ was just that good LOL!!
That's pitiful..
blackadam06 1 year ago
KAREEM ABDUL JABBAR, 6 rings, 6 MVPs, 2 finals MVPs, 19 all star gms, 10x NBA first team, rookie of the year, ALL TIME NBA SCORING LEADER. SHEESH! If that aint G.O.A.T then i don't know what is.
1tailsandsage 1 year ago
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CP3ABZO 1 year ago
Hey kobeconfidence, Jordan faced trash talking and hand checking was even worse back then. And what defense does Kobe face now that's tougher than mj23 the goat
anerres 1 year ago
BULLSHIT VIDEO!
Todays media blows players waaay out of proportion and the masses swallow it gladly. All these kids are just depressed because they missed the golden age of NBA with all it's excitement and intensity and therefore try to make up these delusional demi-gods of today's "no handchecking" sissy league. NOBODY could ever come close to the GOAT MJ.
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Instead of swallowing everything like sheep, write to the NBA to change rules back pre 2002 and stop drafting highschool kids!
megatroll 1 year ago
still michael jordan thats all...... if kobe got his statue then lets say its kobe. but for now still mike. ok? the person who will replace jordan is not yet born....
redcloudsmaharot 1 year ago
still michael jordan thats all...... if kobe got his statue then lets say its kobe. but for now still mike. ok? debate is done for now...
redcloudsmaharot 1 year ago
mike suck my dick mj all day
TheKingme79 1 year ago
@korshole he's not a scorer cos he scores 25% of his shots
CrazyMan631 1 year ago
mj is the G.O.A.T and always will be kobe is great but will never be like mj jordan was averaging more points in his late 30's than kobe does now
CrazyMan631 1 year ago
@CrazyMan631 kobe is not a scorer anymore, do u understand that? i mean, he can score and average the same points as mj, but his game right now is to improve the other lakers to prepare them for kobe's retirement.
korshole 1 year ago