@ShotokanBleach I guess each school has its own priorities. This is actually one of the school bo's that we use on stage in large auditoriums so it can be seen clearly from the last row. It sounds like yours is a purist school. I have a lot of respect for that. I recognize that sometimes the forms and ceremonies surrounding the practice can be almost as important as the actual physical techniques.
I'm afraid I'm not much of a tournament person. I did present it in an intra-school tournament a number of years ago, but placed only second. We aren't a real weapons-oriented school, though. I do it primarily for my own amusement.
What style of tae kwon do do you practice? Or better said yet, which organization do you belong i.e. WTF, ITF, ATA, BTA? For I am quite surprise to see TKD using a karate kata, specially since tang soo do (chinese hand way)i.e. korean karate, has weapon forms of their own.
Our school is a member of the US Chung Do Kwan Association, which, as I understand, is a under the WTF umbrella. Our school, however, is not a strict formalist school. We believe in learning aspects of many styles. For several years, we had a visiting Master who trained us in Kobudo. Because of what I learned in earning my Block Belt with him, I have been put in charge of the extra-curricular weapons training at our school.
Glad you liked it. Just be aware that I took a few liberties with the yells. It gets the kids excited and is permitted in a performance like this one.
Yes, no doubt you did, yet still is no a kata of your style and therefore you can not be judge on your performance. Overall I thank you for presenting it and allowing us to see it from a different perspective.
The kids yelling, well that shows that they neither are japanese or have the stoic asian discipline to keep quiet and observe. Typical of american kids...That's why they grow up so stoopid.
Actually, though it is a few years old, I do have a black belt in Kobudo. I learned this form from a sixth degree Master.
I do take issue with your referring to the American kids as growing up "stoopid" [sic]. We encourage them to cheer on their teammates to foster a sense of team spirit. Of course, many traditional schools don't teach this way. Their choice.
In their classes, I think you would see that they are quite good at observing and learning from the instructors.
Well I meanted as a joke (lacking estoic asian discipline), but seriously do you really need all that noise, isn't it distracting, I can understand it while sparring but during a form performance. I think it shows lack of respect and also during kata you need total concentration, also when learning you need total concentration. Imagine when I was in the Army if every body had been making noise while the drill seargeant explained the use of the grenade...
I agree that if the students were cheering like that during an actual class, that would be bad. Here they are cheering my performance though. I don't find it distracting at all. To the contrary, their applause spurs me on to a better performance than I could do with only my own thoughts for motivation.
Also, if I could not perform my kata with a little bit of applause going on, how well would I do in other pressure situations? We train to support our challenges outside the school as well.
The sad part is that for such an important kata in the karate curriculum, a TKD practioner is the only one on youtube demonstrating it. You figure at least somebody from shito-kai or ryukyu kobudo would have taken the time to upload it, but no the duty fell to korean art specialist...for shame brother karatekas, are we going to allow this loss of face?
I wouldn't consider it a loss of face, as I have trained in Kobudo. I would, however, *love* to see other examples of these forms on YouTube. My official training is four or five years old and I know that I've lost some of the edge that I once had.
Well loss of face for karate pratitioners. It is our responsability for the keeping of the style just as it is the responsability of TKD practitioners for the maintenance and upkeep of Tae Kwon Do
Ah, but I *am* a Kobudo practitioner, though certainly not an expert. I agree with you, though, it would be good to see other, more skilled karateka demonstrate their skills in this venue.
@kaymbre i wouldnt go around telling people that you're an americanized taekwondo practitioner, i know people if you call them a tae kwon do person its worse than calling them the "c" word
@ShotokanBleach So, just so I understand, when you originally called me an "americanized taekwondo practitioner", you were insulting me? Not only insulting me, but, in your eyes, an insult on par or worse than calling me the "c" word?
@ShotokanBleach Ah, so you were just trying to be mildly insulting and disrespectful.
I guess I'm a little surprised as I thought the basis of most martial arts training these days was respect for self and others, regardless of rank or school. Is it different where you train?
Heck, in our school, I don't care what kind of bo our students use, but if they aren't showing respect for their fellow students or visiting practitioners, we would have a chat about that.
@kaymbre we dont care what gender you are or how old you are we respect what you can do and since most tae kwon do practioners cant bring that to the table we dont care
@ShotokanBleach OK, you've intrigued me. I'm curious what you mean by TKD practitioners not bringing what they can do to the table. Are you referring to fighting ability? Technique? What is your standard for measurement?
@kaymbre generally TKD practitioners generally dont bring either, granted there are a few who a decent but only because they stick to traditional TKD (which is basically a watered down version of karate with more kicking)
@ShotokanBleach Interesting. Is it simply because they practice (Americanized) TKD which makes you feel you have the right to disrespect them personally? Would you show more or less respect to a non-practitioner? If a white belt TKD student bowed to you, would you return it? Would you bow to a 7th Dan TKD Grandmaster?
I have to tell you how much I am enjoying exploring this view of the martial arts. BTW, what style do you actually practice? What rank have you achieved? Where are your videos?
@kaymbre well, i would simply bow to them and go on with my day. americanized tkd is in most karateka's eyes inferior. and i have nothing against them personally at all. i practice shotokan karate and 5th generation under gichin funakoshi himself; i will have obtained my shodan in August and will have a nidan in Ryukyu Kobudo hozon shinko kai. i dont have any videos, quite frankly i've never video taped them
@ShotokanBleach I guess we each get what we look for in our own training. For me, the so-called Americanized TKD works just fine. Of course, I recognize that it has its limits, just as you probably recognize that Shotokan has its limits.
At any rate, I wish you well in your continued training. Congratulations on your Shodan. Even if you can't respect my attaining that rank in my training, I do recognize and honor the level of commitment you are having to make.
if we ever used a metal or anything but wood bo sensei would break it with her hands
ShotokanBleach 7 months ago
@ShotokanBleach Actually, it *is* a wood bo. It just happens to be covered in silver tape to make it more visible on stage.
kaymbre 7 months ago
@kaymbre yeah if we covered it with anything she would break it lol
ShotokanBleach 7 months ago
@ShotokanBleach I guess each school has its own priorities. This is actually one of the school bo's that we use on stage in large auditoriums so it can be seen clearly from the last row. It sounds like yours is a purist school. I have a lot of respect for that. I recognize that sometimes the forms and ceremonies surrounding the practice can be almost as important as the actual physical techniques.
kaymbre 7 months ago
Pero la peña es corta? aplauden xq grite??? amosss amosss no me jodas!
SuperMecagoentodo 2 years ago
I'm afraid I'm not much of a tournament person. I did present it in an intra-school tournament a number of years ago, but placed only second. We aren't a real weapons-oriented school, though. I do it primarily for my own amusement.
kaymbre 2 years ago
ever take that form to a tournament and place? and if so what place?
Josh420sk8er 2 years ago
Pretty impressive. That dojo is huge o.o
lordmarlow 3 years ago
nice form!
xmaskater 3 years ago
What style of tae kwon do do you practice? Or better said yet, which organization do you belong i.e. WTF, ITF, ATA, BTA? For I am quite surprise to see TKD using a karate kata, specially since tang soo do (chinese hand way)i.e. korean karate, has weapon forms of their own.
lobonegro4 3 years ago
Our school is a member of the US Chung Do Kwan Association, which, as I understand, is a under the WTF umbrella. Our school, however, is not a strict formalist school. We believe in learning aspects of many styles. For several years, we had a visiting Master who trained us in Kobudo. Because of what I learned in earning my Block Belt with him, I have been put in charge of the extra-curricular weapons training at our school.
kaymbre 3 years ago
I've just been shown this Matsu Higa No Kon last week. Thanks for uploading this video.
SithV1 3 years ago
Glad you liked it. Just be aware that I took a few liberties with the yells. It gets the kids excited and is permitted in a performance like this one.
kaymbre 3 years ago
Yes, no doubt you did, yet still is no a kata of your style and therefore you can not be judge on your performance. Overall I thank you for presenting it and allowing us to see it from a different perspective.
The kids yelling, well that shows that they neither are japanese or have the stoic asian discipline to keep quiet and observe. Typical of american kids...That's why they grow up so stoopid.
lobonegro4 3 years ago
Actually, though it is a few years old, I do have a black belt in Kobudo. I learned this form from a sixth degree Master.
I do take issue with your referring to the American kids as growing up "stoopid" [sic]. We encourage them to cheer on their teammates to foster a sense of team spirit. Of course, many traditional schools don't teach this way. Their choice.
In their classes, I think you would see that they are quite good at observing and learning from the instructors.
kaymbre 3 years ago
Well I meanted as a joke (lacking estoic asian discipline), but seriously do you really need all that noise, isn't it distracting, I can understand it while sparring but during a form performance. I think it shows lack of respect and also during kata you need total concentration, also when learning you need total concentration. Imagine when I was in the Army if every body had been making noise while the drill seargeant explained the use of the grenade...
lobonegro4 3 years ago
I agree that if the students were cheering like that during an actual class, that would be bad. Here they are cheering my performance though. I don't find it distracting at all. To the contrary, their applause spurs me on to a better performance than I could do with only my own thoughts for motivation.
Also, if I could not perform my kata with a little bit of applause going on, how well would I do in other pressure situations? We train to support our challenges outside the school as well.
kaymbre 3 years ago
The sad part is that for such an important kata in the karate curriculum, a TKD practioner is the only one on youtube demonstrating it. You figure at least somebody from shito-kai or ryukyu kobudo would have taken the time to upload it, but no the duty fell to korean art specialist...for shame brother karatekas, are we going to allow this loss of face?
lobonegro4 3 years ago
I wouldn't consider it a loss of face, as I have trained in Kobudo. I would, however, *love* to see other examples of these forms on YouTube. My official training is four or five years old and I know that I've lost some of the edge that I once had.
kaymbre 3 years ago
Well loss of face for karate pratitioners. It is our responsability for the keeping of the style just as it is the responsability of TKD practitioners for the maintenance and upkeep of Tae Kwon Do
lobonegro4 3 years ago
Ah, but I *am* a Kobudo practitioner, though certainly not an expert. I agree with you, though, it would be good to see other, more skilled karateka demonstrate their skills in this venue.
kaymbre 3 years ago
@kaymbre he's not a karateka he's an americanized taekwondo practitioner
ShotokanBleach 7 months ago
@ShotokanBleach You are correct in that, though I also hold a black belt in Kobudo.
kaymbre 7 months ago
@kaymbre i wouldnt go around telling people that you're an americanized taekwondo practitioner, i know people if you call them a tae kwon do person its worse than calling them the "c" word
ShotokanBleach 7 months ago
@ShotokanBleach So, just so I understand, when you originally called me an "americanized taekwondo practitioner", you were insulting me? Not only insulting me, but, in your eyes, an insult on par or worse than calling me the "c" word?
kaymbre 7 months ago
@kaymbre yes but to me its not the "c" word like it is for some people
ShotokanBleach 7 months ago
@ShotokanBleach Ah, so you were just trying to be mildly insulting and disrespectful.
I guess I'm a little surprised as I thought the basis of most martial arts training these days was respect for self and others, regardless of rank or school. Is it different where you train?
Heck, in our school, I don't care what kind of bo our students use, but if they aren't showing respect for their fellow students or visiting practitioners, we would have a chat about that.
Good luck in your training
kaymbre 7 months ago
@kaymbre we dont care what gender you are or how old you are we respect what you can do and since most tae kwon do practioners cant bring that to the table we dont care
ShotokanBleach 7 months ago
@ShotokanBleach OK, you've intrigued me. I'm curious what you mean by TKD practitioners not bringing what they can do to the table. Are you referring to fighting ability? Technique? What is your standard for measurement?
kaymbre 7 months ago
@kaymbre generally TKD practitioners generally dont bring either, granted there are a few who a decent but only because they stick to traditional TKD (which is basically a watered down version of karate with more kicking)
ShotokanBleach 7 months ago
@ShotokanBleach Interesting. Is it simply because they practice (Americanized) TKD which makes you feel you have the right to disrespect them personally? Would you show more or less respect to a non-practitioner? If a white belt TKD student bowed to you, would you return it? Would you bow to a 7th Dan TKD Grandmaster?
I have to tell you how much I am enjoying exploring this view of the martial arts. BTW, what style do you actually practice? What rank have you achieved? Where are your videos?
kaymbre 7 months ago
@kaymbre well, i would simply bow to them and go on with my day. americanized tkd is in most karateka's eyes inferior. and i have nothing against them personally at all. i practice shotokan karate and 5th generation under gichin funakoshi himself; i will have obtained my shodan in August and will have a nidan in Ryukyu Kobudo hozon shinko kai. i dont have any videos, quite frankly i've never video taped them
ShotokanBleach 7 months ago
@ShotokanBleach I guess we each get what we look for in our own training. For me, the so-called Americanized TKD works just fine. Of course, I recognize that it has its limits, just as you probably recognize that Shotokan has its limits.
At any rate, I wish you well in your continued training. Congratulations on your Shodan. Even if you can't respect my attaining that rank in my training, I do recognize and honor the level of commitment you are having to make.
Respectfully.
kaymbre 7 months ago