Confused Matthew & SFDebris Discuss Star Trek (2009) 2 of 5

[ltflak]

I agree, attmepting to give a motivation to Nero and fucking it up pretty much prevented this moving from becoming an epic. Some cheesy 30's sci fi villian would have done a better job as at least evil for evil sake is entertaining to watch!

[DOWSOE]

confusedmatthew and sfdebris ! You guys should write your own scripts for a movie !!!!!! Star Trek needs minds like you !!!!

[royalbuff123]

Is this the beginning of the "Bruce Willis" era of Trek? Special effects, hardly any character development, explosions, more explosions and nary a plot?

[jessemaurais]

Absolutely right about the villain. I really can't believe he was so poorly developed.

[AVDK1232]

"Kid James T. Kirk is an asshole! He took somebody else's car and smashed it just to be a dick!" LOL!

[StoneKnivesBearskins]

The scene with Kirk and the car isn't that great.

Obviously, JJ Abrams never watched the Star Trek episode 'A Piece of the Action'

You see how Kirk drives in that movie, and it's nothing like how he drives in the new one. That's all I'll say about that. LOL

[Doperwtje81]

I never got the design for Nero's ship.Why is is made to look 'scary'? It's supposed to be a mining vessel. Why does it look like Cthulhu's booger?

[royalbuff123]

Nero is a totally stupid villain...he goes back into the past, destoys Vulcan to 'get back' at Spock but it still doesn't mean that Romulus is safe from a future supernova!! WTH!!! Should've warned the Romulans so they could have evacuated the planet and found another to establish themselves!

[Degobunny]

@royalbuff123

Why?? The Romulus Nero would be warning would not be HIS Romulus. Nero's Romulus is dead, and he can never get it back.

[royalbuff123]

@Degobunny but remember that Romulus was destroyed by the Supernova when Spock was OLDER therefore, by going back in time to the time when Spock was YOUNGER, Nero's Romulus still existed (presumably he himself existed in YOUNG Nero form somewhere) and it was still HIS Romulus. Lets just face it...plot fail.

[Degobunny]

@royalbuff123 Nero and Spock created an alternate reality. Nero would never have been able to save HIS Romulus. This is not a matter of plot fail this a matter of people not understanding that the new Trek movie takes place in an alternate reality were things turned out differently becuase the USS Kelvin was destroyed. So...Nero's Romulus was destroyed by the Supernova, he was never going to save it.

[TheDarkFrontier]

@Degobunny

Except it is his Romulus, fuck all he does here will change the fact a supernova will destroy his homeworld. Except if he destroyed the star to begin with. It's like you being thrown back before a disaster and thinking; oh well it's not my world anyway, fuck it, i'll go on a braindead rampage.

[royalbuff123]

@TheDarkFrontier you said it much betta than I could :)

[Degobunny]

In the film Nero said he and Romulus (the alternate Romulus) stand apart. This indicates to me a detatchment from this alternate Romulus because he even acknowledges that alternate Romulus is not his Romulus. I think Nero had no intention of ever saving Romulus and was soley focused on revenge on Spock, to him Romulus was destroyed by the supernova and he was never going to get it back.

[TheDarkFrontier]

@Degobunny

No, he said he and the Empire stand apart because he is acting on his own behalf, and not in the interests of the Romulan Empire. If he did claim that, then there would be a war between the Federation and the Romulans in the 23rd century, something which he would want to avoid. And yeah, so do I, which makes what he is doing stupid. If I was Nero, the FIRST thing I would do was destroy the star that went supernova in the first place. Screw the Kelvin.

[TheDarkFrontier]

@Degobunny

In regard to Nero and Romulus, note how you said "this indicates to ME", as in, you're just reading into the dialogue whatever you want, and thus taking it out of context. This is not what they were talking about in this scene in the film. At this point in the film, Pike threatened the Romulans with war over the destruction of x amount of starfleet ships and attacking Vulcan. Nero stating they stand apart means he is operating off his own back.

[Degobunny]

@TheDarkFrontier and you are interpreting the comment your way. Agree to disagree.

[TheDarkFrontier]

@Degobunny

Erm, no I'm not. Go back and watch the scene. Pike threatened Romulus with war. Nero said he and Romulus stand apart; therefore his actions do not represent those of the Romulan Empire. I'm taking the information the film is giving me in the context of what is happening in the scene. I'm not taking it out of context and saying; "well he could mean that, but I think it really means this".

[Degobunny]

@TheDarkFrontier yeah hense he did not care abotu the Romanulus which was not his look I said agree to disagree leave at that please.

[TheDarkFrontier]

@Degobunny

Wrong again. You're just blatently ignoring everything I said, and what the movie told you, from what I can see you're doing it just to be obnoxious and to get your own little way.

[Degobunny]

@royalbuff123 Nero and Spocked created and alternate timeline, the history and going 'back' in time is irrelivant. Think Yesterday's Enterprise.

[gullivera]

With regards to the apple, in the audio commentary they said they had him eating an apple because the sound of someone chewing an apple can be really irritating, (And certainly the way he eats it makes you want to punch him!) so they were TRYING to make him annoying?!! I think I prefer the homage to ST2 better though.

[philyburkhill1]

they didn't shoot the drill because they were not in range. the narada could've easily destroyed the enterprise in a few shots, and could intercept any photon torpedoes. it was the jellyfish ship that destroyed the drill after that.

[TheDarkFrontier]

@philyburkhill1

Except they never said in the movie they were not in range. And so what? The Enterprise would've saved Vulcan after all. It could intercept photon torpedoes? That was never demonstrated in this movie. Bottom line, you're making shit up.

[TheDarkFrontier]

@philyburkhill1

Also, do you really think the Narada wouldn't have blown the shit out of the Enterprise once they realised they had destroyed their drill from skydiving onto it?

[KevServo]

The film had its flaws, a LOT of flaws, but considering what we've been getting for the past 15 years in the PRIME universe it was a fucking masterpiece.

[prestruction]

Say what you want about Nero at least he didnt have ADD like that annoying clone from nemesis he was just insane but that was cool because it made him scary.

[Degobunny]

the point of the car scene as a kid and then switchng to Spock in Vulcan, was to show the similarities in both of the protagonist as having hard childhoods.

[TheDarkFrontier]

@Degobunny

Absolutely, but the thing is, they could've done it differently, like maybe showing Kirk with his step father or something. It just seemed really rushed. It was like 5 minute scene with Kirk, 5 minute scene with Spock, now jump to them being adults.

[Degobunny]

@TheDarkFrontier

The story was about the enterprise crew becoming who they are destined to me. They can only spend a certian amount of time on exposition of childhoods (kirk originally did have scene with the abusive stepdad and it was cut) . The scenes worked becasue it established Kirk as a rebel against establishement...which was true even in the TOS, and Spock as a rebel against Vulcan which was certianly true especially when Spock appeared in TNG and wanted to unite Vulcan and Romulus.

[TheDarkFrontier]

@Degobunny

Yeah, I'm not debating what the scenes were trying to do. Its how forceful they came across, and they came across in ways that were just excuses for the director to squeeze just that little bit more action into the movie. Also the scene for Kirk was redundant, as later on throughout the film, we get no sense that he has overcome being an irate bastard to a sensible leader; more of the plot said he had to, so he did.

[Degobunny]

@TheDarkFrontier okay well the film may seemed rushed but there was a time limit to the movie. Also a lot of the complaints about the movie were scenes that were cut such as Kirk and his stepdad and what the heck Nero did for 25 years. I think that is more of an editing issue then anything else. Considering TMP and the awful lack of editing of that Trek i do not feel the need to complain and do not blame JJ Abrams giving this film a faster pase to set it apart from TMP.

[TheDarkFrontier]

@Degobunny

Three things. One; movies do not have time limits. Two, this movie was LONGER than the Wrath of Khan, and that had FAR more character development in it. Proof enough that you can do excellent character development, and balance it with the action. Three; the criticism levelled at the movie was for it being dumb and stupid by comparison to other Trek storylines, not that scenes were cut.

[Degobunny]

@TheDarkFrontier 1) Generally movies do have time limits or least a time frame they are shooting for. 2) Wrath of Khan was not an origin film so it is bad comparison as far as Trek goes in terms of characterization.3) You are argueing the movie being dumb and stupid as far as Trek movies go but the only movie you are actually comparing it to is Wrath of Khan which makes all other Trek movies look dumb and stupid by comparison.

[TheDarkFrontier]

@Degobunny

1.) Movies only have time limits in regard to their budget. This movie could've made more of its time span.

2.) What the hell does that even mean? Of course TWOK was an original film ...

3.) Okay then, Star Trek movies 2,4,6 were all outstanding films, 6 I especially enjoyed. First Contact had some gaping flaws, but very good ideas, Nemesis had some good ideas which were poorly developed. Nemesis was better than this movie was. That is saying something.

[sneakyfeets]

there is a deleted scene that shows kirk and his brother dealing with an abusive uncle whose car he steals. it should have been in the film

[MrChupacabra555]

I'm just suprised that Matthew and SF Debris had the courage to say something negative about the movie (and thus come off sounding like the fans that that 'onion' video made fun of ^_^).

By the way, I do agree with everything they say (like "Transformers 2", it was fun to watch, but not at all a good story [and I loved 'Sylar" as young Spock {"My mind to your mind... *buzzzzzz* ^_^)

[Invincible5972]

The point of the scene was to show the contrast between Kirk and Spock,but we could already tell there was a contrast anyway.

[Invincible5972]

You're so right about Nero's motivation.He's also kind of a weak villian.

[neemz2000]

Do we want to watch a "different" Kirk? Don't we want to watch the character we've grown up with over the past 40 years?

In that case the movie should have been called "Not Star Trek at all. Oh no! Something totally different".

[drlee2]

I don't know...I just disagree with them about the script. I've heard a lot worse dialogue than this in a lot of movies in recent years, especially other summer blockbusters!

[Bloodthr0e]

The reason kirk in this movie was different is because his father was killed in this timeline and it changed his whole life. This allows the fans to come to a better grip with the human condition by questioning how their lives can be completely changed by a single action. Kirk would have to struggle throughout the film to become the man he was meant to be, but at least there was still hope for him. I think that is very much in the realm of trek writing. Not the greatest, but still in the realm.

[mummra4ever]

You're just making excuses for this film and seeing things that aren't there. There is no exploration of the human condition in this film. It doesn't focus on anything to do with humanity, there is no payoff in that sense nor is there any worthwhile message whatsoever.

[Retrofan]

I agree.....Kirk's life growing up was different than if it was if his father had not been killed on the U.S.S. Kelvin, Spock's life was changed also with (spoiler alert) the death of his mother. It all adheres to that.

[Bloodthr0e]

Think of it this way: Imagine you're house is being broken into. You call the cops, but they never show up and your wife is dead. I can see an irrational, racist romulan blaming the cops for his predicament. I'm sure the writers were hoping to use the brilliant villian in a different film.

[123qno]

even if nero did warn romulus he still would never have seen his family again so thats why he was so pissed

[henkman00]

all Nero had to do was to was wait for Spock. use the red matter on the nova. do a slingshot around the sun (with Spocks help) and he would be home everyone happy!

[jeight]

true the time thing is outrages. but i enjoyed the movie. i saw it as more of a what if movie

[TheKnightOf0]

The reason they couldn't shoot down that drill thing from the movie was because the captain from the enterprise had to go on board to the the bad guy's ship. So while he travled to the enemy ship he could secretly release a strike force against the enemy's drill. That way the bad guys don't blast the enterprise out of deap space.

[GSCIGLIA]

I might buy that,but Spock said "we entered the BLACK HOLE" that sounded pretty straight forward to me.... UNLESS ...they dumbed it down 4 every viewer, so they use a familar term*black hole* so that new fans wont scratch thier heads n say : they entered a wat :.... but il say this again.. i did enjoy the movie,n I really cant wait 2 c the next one

[GSCIGLIA]

Dont kno if anyone else noticed but,( i cud b wrong) we now hav a black hole in our bac yard (according 2 star trek) unless i missed sumthing...but they only went 2 warp for a short while,not really enough time 2 get that far away from earth.....n im sure its pretty big ...so shudnt thIs b a problem for earth,our solar system.......im not nit picking,but if this was an episode alot more fans wud say sumthing.....about much more

[petrino]

these red matter singularities dont seem to last that long... the one that swallowed the planet went away pretty fast...

[Goulgag]

Maybe one of the stupidest ones but not the biggest.

[Chiscringle]

This would have been a much more impressive plot if they had reversed the actions of both sides. Have Nero TRY to contact Romulan High Command and the past Spock to tell them what will happen and how to fix it, then have future Spock trying to stop them and getting the Federation to help him uphold the temporal Prime Directive. THAT would have been a story. We could have had some depth and consideration on the part of the characters. ST needs to remember their tradition of problem solving.

[ob1benji1]

....still awesome

[DoctorJIS]

Just imagine, if people thought this was too action oriented in an attempt to reach a new audience, what if Michael Bay made this? 'Nuff sed.

[Darkknightrules92]

love these reviews. I still havent seen this movie but these mixed reviews actually make me more interested. I am also not a star trek fan so I wont compare this to any of the other films when I do see it..

[0mni42]

I'm pretty sure the reason they didn't blow up the drill the first time is, they were planning a three-pronged attack. Kirk/Sulu/Redshirt would blow up the drill, the people inside the Romulan ship would start kicking ass, and the Enterprise would be free to protect itself and shoot the Romulans without having to switch targets.

(I could be wrong... it's been a while since I saw it)

[Traininghopper]

The referances to canon were no more then easter eggs.

[KlingongBane]

The movie defied canon deliberately and the little references to things to come were normal lines if you don't know what they mean, if your a fan you have a little chuckle to yourself, and what's wrong with easter eggs?

[Traininghopper]

Because some of them were supoosed to be large parts of the film, (no money) and even the charcters themselves.

[mummra4ever]

Actually I got tired of hearing old lines reused from old trek in this film. It seems to me they thought "let's put in some references to the old stuff that'll keep the fans happy." And frankly I'm insulted by that if they think I could have been so easily satisfied.

[BloodyCarrie]

Awesome review.

I think i remember hearing that the car Kid Kirk crashed was his step-father's, and that said step-father was abusive. Another scene ends up on the cutting room floor. I have to say though, that if the scene isn't in the final product, then it still renders the scene it was meant to support worthless.

[shuboy05]

I just have to add that Nero did not spend 25 years doing nothing. Unfortunately they had to cut the scenes where the Klingons took control of the Narada after the Kelvin crippled it and sent Nero and his crew to Rura Penthe for the next 25 years (a reference which is still mentioned in the final cut).

[angelus4282]

If Nero were a Vulcan, I'd agree that his motives would seem illogical. He's a Romulan though, and as such has not been trained to control his emotions. If you saw the planet Earth destroyed, isn't it possible that you go just a little mad, too?

Kirk's Kobayashi Maru test DID sound better in Wrath of Khan, but remember: he wasn't originally supposed to have lost his father the day he was born. That'd have to change his personality just a little. That said, I agree the scene did disappoint.

[1mPeRcEpTiBlE]

When having watched Wrath of Khan & Star Trek '09 I kept one thing in mind when comparing Nero & Khan. Madness doesn't make one stupid. In a twisted sense Khan's motivation to hunt down Kirk had some logic, because Kirk was the one responsible for marooning the man on a harsh planet that went downhill and didn't check up on his progress, in the process losing Khan's wife. Khan's motivations had more depth than Nero's when he too loss his wife, except at the hands.. of a natural cosmic disaster.

[1mPeRcEpTiBlE]

There was something I heard from a few people that could've made the Kirk's Kobayashi Maru test shine. Since Kirk from the the original series been known to outsmart machines, maybe Kirk could've found a loophole. I know in Wrath of Khan they said he reprogram the test but since the movie was in an alternate reality, might as well swung with it.

[jebes909090]

But romulus is STILL ALIVE!!! As is his wife. Thats whats retarded about his motivation. Hes back in time BEFORE anything happened to romulus.

Nevermind the whole retarded idea of creating a black hole to suck up romulus's sun to protect it. The Gamma ray burst alone would kill everything in that system and anywhere within 600 light years. Its just a stupid idea. And the fact that romulus doesnt have a sun anymore or any kind of gravitational anchoring. Everyone would die anyways.

[USSMariner]

With such huge flaws in execution, I honestly can't understand why you didn't rate this thing lower.

[u2atomicbomb]

i agree. I think people in trek circles have been way too lenient on this awful film

[1mPeRcEpTiBlE]

Er sorry, I meant earlier it's not their only plan to just destroy one Federation planet at a time. . Don't misunderstand, I wouldn't make the Nexus the focus of the movie! They could just throw in a line about the Nexus with their plans. After all the Nexus involved TOS Kirk's death, Nero could even taunt young kirk about it:

"We're to unleash the same star that killed my family. More so, reward ourselves with the energy ribbon that had a hand in James T. Kirk's death. Timeless Irony"

[1mPeRcEpTiBlE]

Figure that plan would be a two-fer, instead of having to destory planets one by one with a black hole, why not ignite the uber supernova and wipe out all the planets at once? At the same time, they could get the Nexus to come their way and use it to keep them young and happy until their day comes? I know the Nexus is for the most part an illogical plot device, but at least it would've been more of a shout out to TNG fans too.

[1mPeRcEpTiBlE]

(finally)

Again having knowledge from the future, especially from movie 'Generations' they are able to steer the Nexus with the Supernova over into their direction. Nero and his miners figure after having handed their ship over to their people to backward engineer its secretes, they'll await to rejoin their reborn family in this alternate time line by living out their desired fantasies in this temporal Nexus thing.

[1mPeRcEpTiBlE]

(cont.)

The Plan: So with the new Romulus and its people safe they watch as this self-sustaining supernova consume their enemies. Now this supernova supposedly would consume the whole galaxy, but since Nero has the Red Matter he can choose when it's appropriate to cancel out the supernova long enough for mostly all of the Federation to be wiped out..

[1mPeRcEpTiBlE]

(cont.) Since these Romulans are from the future they possess knowledge about Soran's Trilithium weapon. All of Nero's planet killings are nothing more than to keep the Federation off balance long enough for his miners to locate and set the super nova off earlier with their own trilithium probe (made during the 25 year wait)...

[1mPeRcEpTiBlE]

I wish they had made the scope of Nero's threat in the movie more... elaborate. Here's how I would've done:

It's revealed that it isn't only Nero's plan to annihilate the Federation. Turns out that during the 25 year wait Nero did convince the Romulan Empire to evacuate to escape the destuction of the Supre Nova. Except the Super Nova wouldn't occur for some centuries to come, but the Narada is going to speed things up..

[DarthServo]

Not to defend the poor presentation of the Kobyashi-Maru and Kirk being an asshole in this film, but this is a different timeline than the original series and films. Nero goes back in time and changes everything. My impression from this film was Kirk's dad lived in the original timeline but obviously not after Nero came back in time. In the original timeline, with Kirk's father alive, Kirk grow up to be a completely different person.

[Starliner1701]

If the enterprise had shot the drill, the Narada would have attacked them. The point of the sky diving mission was to avoid detection.

[1mPeRcEpTiBlE]

That's why these two offer something along the lines "why didn't they just do some lip service at explaining this plot hole?"

They could've gone like this:

"We've only got one shot at this thing and since that ship out there outguns us I'll go over there for negotiations so you two can screw up the drill. If that doesn't work, we'll have Enterprise fire all its got and sign our death warrants"

[MrDialup]

The red matter blowing up planets and also facilitating time travel was not too much of a problem, as long as you ignore energy conservation: If you open a portal to another point in space and time in the centre of a planet (where the pressure is high) to space (zero pressure), you might expect the core of the planet to be extruded out the portal with some force.

But conserving energy, you'd see a force between portal entrence and exit which would reisist the flow of matter out of the planet.

[midprod]

well when the father said while he was drving, "Dammit James thats an antique" I think I spelled that right

[villan20]

Actually, the uncle that was talking said more, I can't remember what, but I think it was something like, "You little rat, get back to the house or I'll flip out", so I think that ties into abusive parents thing ConfusedMat said.

[confusedmatthew]

I'm starting to think there was a problem with the levels in the theater I was in. I could hear the guy over the phone say something, but I couldn't understand a word of it over the noise of the car.

So yeah, that might have just been my problem. Maybe I just didn't catch that.

[cuntscab555]

can someone try a new way of explaining to matthew that you can't go back in time and save your dead family? everything about physics and psychology says that's stupid. just because back to the future says something fantastical doesn't make it true for all following films

[vintagevideogamegeek]

why not? if you were sent back 100 years before the planet blew up, why couldn't you have people evacuate the planet way beforehand? Do you mean to say that "physics" would cause all those people to die somehow?

[nonamerequired123]

That's the problem with time travel stories(I agree with Matthew about the whole why don't they just go back which comes up alot in time travel stories). Unfortunately that's one of those thing that for the sake of the drama, logic gets thrown out the window by the writers. Probably if this actually were to happen he probably would, if he was thinking clearly. But in the movies because for the sake of plot unfortunately that falls by the wayside.

[nonamerequired123]

Regardless of whether it was an accident or not, the guy lost his planet. I would assume that witnessing practically your entire race and planet being destroyed would be a very traumatic experience and not something you'd get over in a week or so. It probably sent him over the edge. I don't think in that situation where you've as Spock said become an endangered species your gonna be thinking rationally.

[bel3338]

I can get the point about the loss of his planet, people, wife and child pushing someone over the edge - it would probably send me over

But the problem is making his only reasons for doing this be because he's crazy really disarms him as a villain. Khan too was out for revenge, not because he'd lost his marbles but cause he was power hungry and vindictive, which made him a powerful adversary

[nonamerequired123]

What other reason do you want for him to do what he's doing? It is revenge as well he was out for revenge because he lost everything, you can't get a bigger motivation than that. Yes it was an accident, but it's not the same as if they tried to fix his ship and accidently blew it up. That's the point I'm trying to make, that it's not something you just dismiss or get over in a week or so.

[mfdriggs84]

It is not unfair to compare this to Wrath of Khan. If you call it "Star Trek", I'm going to compare it to Star Trek. How is that unfair?

[AreaEightySix]

If you think about it this movie was a lot like the original star wars... The Nero ship was the death star, destroyed a planet, then saves another planet and done. Well, if you think this movie didnt have much of a story... did Star Wars 1977 have on either?

[HGPMischiefMaker]

Why not compare this to Wrath of Khan? That's exactly what they were trying to do with this film. Give Spock his own Khan.  Just like nemesis tried to give Picard his own Khan.

NEEEEEEEEEERRROOOOOOOOOOO!!!

[standardmagnus]

when they sky dived all i was thinking was

"go,go power rangers!!"

[mummra4ever]

Yeah they really should have had kirk at one point say "it's morphing time."

[vivthefree]

In fairness, the Enterprise couldn't shoot the drill, as they had to stay out of range of Nero's ship and his vastly superior fire-power. The parachute drop was Captain Pike's attempt to take advantage of shuttling over to the ship.

Also, wasn't it Spock's ship that destroyed the drill?

[Doorhenge]

Yeah, the Enterprise couldn't attack the Narada because Pike said the drill was "interfering with their gear"

Spock's ship is from the future, so it has no problem destroying the drill at Earth. Allowing the the Enterprise to engage the Narada. The movie still isn't good, I just wanted to enter that into the evidence.

[Ze8us]

You can't save your mom if she has been wiped out of history as happened to Neros wife and child.

[bel3338]

Reading the prequel comic series they made that tied this film to TNG helps understand things a little (you can read the synopsis on Memory Alpha). It doesn't really give much insight into what Nero's motives are - hell what could, being nuts can't even cover it.

But still its bad that one has to delve into other sources to even obtain a modicum of further understanding into the film

[Daywalker359]

Well, his wife died, his planet exploded right in front of him, I dont think he was thinking about what he was doing while he was blowing up planets, he was blinded by anger, or just fucking nuts.

[cerulean86]

That's not a good enough reason and there is NO WAY the rest of the crew would go along with that bullshit.

[WJGvidz]

why not

captain janeway was nuts are her crew folowed her

[greenpenguino]

LOOOOOOOLLLL!!!!!

[mummra4ever]

Yeah that's because voyager was badly written. Remember when a writer has control over how a character reacts to something they can have them react to it in any way they want, even if that reaction makes no sense and isn't rational.

[Daywalker359]

why would the crew NOT go along with it, im sure their loved ones were blown to bits just like the planet, but you know what, i dont really care, i was just trying to make conversation, confused matthew is great, i enjoy his reviews, and if you ask me, i just think Romulans are fucking nuts!

[cerulean86]

If the Romulans were SO UPSET about their home planet being blown up (IN THE FUTURE) then maybe they should have gone home and warned them. Spock had fixed the fucking problem, he just ran out of time.

[ClockworkHobo]

He sat around for 25 years before he started doing shit, I think he would have cooled below the blowup planets threshold.

[shedininja001]

I was waiting for these reviews :D awesome.

[dylan9094]

Well, the car was his stepfather's vintage sports car; that's why he had classic music (beastie boys) playing while driving also.