Great videos all of them i have learned so much. Thanks, and thanks to all the trainees (I wont call them learners) as well for allowing us to view you riding. Martyn
As a recent (last June) DAS 'graduate' I totally agree with you. This spring I shall be seeking extra guidance to significantly improve my competence and confidence (the two go hand in hand IMHO) specifically for this very type of riding!
@TheBennyynneB - That is the problem with the present testing system in the UK. On test there is insufficient time to access the riders on all aspects of riding. They only start learning once they have passed the test. Hope that makes sense.
@ToonTownTerrorist@advancedbiker My belief is that he says things multiple times so that the rider under instruction (who is concentrating on other things) here's it at least once.
Great videos, keep up the good work. I've certainly learned from them.
@dacosta1972 Towarsd the end of every assessment, I really do tend to speak less. The rider expects me to say something, so the get used to hearing ny voice in their heads, even when I amnot behind them...It is just a way to get the rider to thing more about their riding.....
sorry though if a qualified rider cannot judge revs /gears for corners at relatively slow speeds then they should take advance lesson as this guy is or the BASIC bike test should be more intense.
I would be more concerned about how close he come to the outside edge of the road...full of crap,glass drain covers ect.
Still if anyone benefits from such videos then fair play.Eperience there is no substitute.
@landahoycaptain This rider is an example of the riders who come through the UK DSA system. The test is being looked into, but in my opinion does not include enough riding on country roads.
Deffinetly a real problem, you need the confidence to ignore what the road is doing infront of you and look at the road right around the corner. It really is true the bike will go where you look (Within reason)
Hi Nigel. Brilliant video! I lacked confidence too on the bends. That was until i watched ur video. Now i can take bends easily coz of it. Excellent instruction and a joy to watch all ur videos. Thanks for coming up with the idea. One thing i notice is that you never lose your cool with ur students...well done! And u praise them when they do something right. Are u a police instructor by any chance? Brilliant videos, Nigel!!! :-)
Nigel, first if all thank you for your video,s, they are very informative regards planning ,speed,gears,positioning etc.
i too came through direct acces about two years ago and after a couple of solo trips through europe i considered myself to be a fairly safe and experienced . i recently joined rospasmart and took an introductory ride with an instructor. i am waiting to do even more training and can see exactly where my faults are. these vids are helping me no end keep up the postings.
It is interesting that on a number of your videos I have watched the rider seems to look at the front wheel. Why is that? This seems from your videos to be very common... I wonder why they do it?
@j2112c It is a term I use to help the develop observation skills. Most riders do not look far enough ahead. They are often still in car mode. Looking as far forward as you can, can help plan your ride, you have a rough idea of what to expect. Hope that explains it... One rider said once:'You have just shown me a world beyond the front wheel!'
@advancedbiker Agreed. I see people micro steering, reacting to things coming into their vision as they have not looked far ahead when they look up the riding is smoother. My only issue is when I look further up the road I tend to move earlier in the corner I am in.. sometimes too early... I need practice.
Also I find a side benefit is that it is a good gauge of my levels of energy, as I get tired I look closer and closer to me! It is a sure fire way of measuring my concentration levels. Peace.
Going to the middle of the road for a left hand bend, on a narrow road with traffic passing the other way, is in my view dangerous.The logic is to see round the bend clearly, but you do not need to be almost on the white line. The same applies to hugging the left of the road for a right hand bend. Although it "opens up" the view, it also means you are in danger of getting mixed up in the mud and dust near the kerb. Better to not exaggerate this. Instructor shouts and repeats too much.
Your video's are very informative, I try to go at my own pace, Its 18months ago I passed and hope to do advanced training this year.. I used to lack confidence on bends but now I go at the speed I feel my bike is safe. My life , My bike, My safety. I envie the go faster guys, but I only have one life. In a 60mph limit road, with a sharp bend I could go as slow as 30 -40miles or a hairpin bend down to 20
@paula4u - Thanks for the feedback. The most important think is Go out your own PACE, WITH YOUR OWN COMFORT ZONE. A bad rider does not realise what they are are doing wrong, a good rider does and rides accordingly. Good Luck with you riding and stay safe.
THANKS! I passed my auto lic, 18 months back, then took manual (i know backwards but it irked me not being able ride manual) another 3 months and the auto will be derestricted, but I love my 400cc scooter .
I was thought by an instructor, and it helped me a lot. Booked in for bike safe end of the month and then if possible august advanced riding. I put without exaggeration 28,000 miles on bikes since February 2010.
@SuperChelseaFC1905 Indeed, the instructor should see that hes too inconfident plus he should disaprove his cornering, this is just as dangerous as going into a corner with 120mph, as example :)
I've been up and down this road a couple of times this week, we've had the weather so why not?
I must admit, some of these bends do make me think about losing nerve, I see my foot start to hover over the brake and I want to ease off the throttle.
I passed my CBT in October so I've not been on it long but I ride a YZF R125. I am not confident at all in my right hand turns. I've been trying raods like this to build confidence but it doesn't help that I nearly crossed the whiteline in Buxton.
@EyeLikePizza - In a nutsheel with bEnds, it is all about preparation and riding within your OWN LIMITS. Try to look into the bend and also always paln for the exit. You need to have a 'positive' throttl on the bends, so you control the speed. Get the speed right before you enter and do not reduce speed mid corner. Where ever you look, that is where you will end up. Good luck, any more issues, get back to me... Remember you are now starting to ride after the DSA test.
I've recently brought an 1198s and I allways look where im heading but since i've got it my throttle control has improved dramatically. If you said throttle on to me and I was riding i'd probably vanish into the distance and not even notice the speed. I have noticed on my new bike, I keep turning to quicky and soon because its so different to my old bike. Just after 1 long ride out i've finally got to grips with the bike and doing much better now.
I like the comments, not worried about speed, that really helps someone without confidence because it's best for him to look where he needs to go and I've known novice riders who i've rode with who look at their speedo and it makes them slow down when there is simply no need to, just nice road positioning. When you got less things to do, we can concentrate on bend assesment much better.
a motorcycle cop was telling me that in the 60s and 70s when they were chasing a car in the country at night... they were trained to use telegraph pole wires.. to see the bends on the road.. as there head lights would reflect of the wires.. just like your telling him here.. watch the telegraph poles...
Some of the guys from the shop where I bought the bike from invited me on a Kawasaki track day and I was insured as well because I used Kawasaki for my insurance, a very well run track day.
It improved my bike handling immensely and I felt completely relaxed on the bike, if only I had done some Advanced motorcycle training on the road the next day that would have been a perfect start.
I started on the track WAY before i took my licence for the road. Confidence wasnt an issue.
I think with advanced training, it can become too anal. Personally, i think you ride to enjoy it. If you overload yourself with all the above (on video) it can take the enjoyment out of riding. I like to find a happy medium...ok, you get cars pulling out and the occasional cutting up but even if you were super advanced, you wont stop this happening.
Taking the " Advanced " line through bends and road positioning actually makes far more sense the faster you go, because it increases your view ahead.
You learn all the theory and with practice it becomes second nature. Remember when you first started to drive/ride you were too busy thinkin about clutch and throttle to concentrate on mirrors and indicators? On track you'd be learning about racing lines and apexes but now you do it without thinking!
Yes, I totally agree with you on that. I often wonder how Ive got to places when im riding.... pretty scary really... the observation must be second nature too..... well I hoped so ;)
Clive will get there it just takes time, got to say I dont envy you taking riders out, worries me to death just watching, what worries me is if they lose their bottle and brake on a tight L/H bend and straighten the bike up, ooooh though Im sure you go over countersteer with them before hand, good luck & keep um coming
Speed into bends......If you feel you are going too quick, do not grab the front brake as the bike will sit up instantly......Feather the back brake...
Countersteering will be covered this year, if I can find a way to illustrate it.
there's quite a good example video and illustration of counter steering at the beginning of twist of the wrist 2... not sure if it appears on youtube, but its online if you look ;)
Bless....if just passed his test, his speed and cornering was probably down to still crapping himself at first every time he slung a leg over.
I did.
But also nothing wrong with a little caution and riding to your own comfort and skill level - we don't have the cage around us - I like to believe that thinking "I could die doing this" every time I ride has kept me alive this far.
bless him, I just know im going to be like this for the first few times on my bike when its sorted. And i passed my test 2 years ago, how ever stupid thing is that the lookign forward etc i do specifically in the car and have done for years, so its justa case of think like that on the bike. It does look like how ever that he is riding just like hes still on his test...and i hated my test lol
@ade1382 All I was after was building his confidence. If that meant riding within his comfort zone, i.e., below 60 mph then it works both ways. You build up the trust .....Speed , when safe to do so, can come later......
yeah its helpfull to teach a new rider that when you are in corner you dont have to fight the bike into the curve, its better to use the leaning in or to counterstear.
This shows pretty much everything which is wrong with the DSA standard. I might be on L plates but if I didn't use the stuff you teach I wouldn't be here now. Glad to see Clive's confidence started to pick up towards the end though. They should re-invent the test to include using the flexability of the motorcycles positioning to the riders advantage, then I think motorcycle RTC's would reduce a fair bit, because it's certainly helped a lot. Thanks for the vid Nigel
@markgr1nyer Years ago when I learnt to ride, I bought and applied Roadcraft, it helped immensely. But that is where a lot of advancedbiker is coming from. Good thinking to watch these videos and safe riding...
I'm self taught roadcraft, as no instructor will officially teach me whilst I'm on L plates, but I have ridden to roadcraft in front of an advanced instructor and he was totally confident I knew what i was doing. The key to roadcraft is not doing it, but understanding WHY your doing it so you can adapt it to suit the situation
Great videos all of them i have learned so much. Thanks, and thanks to all the trainees (I wont call them learners) as well for allowing us to view you riding. Martyn
Martyn0001 2 days ago
@Martyn0001 - Thanks for the feedback, looking forward to this year when I can get some more footage...
advancedbiker 2 days ago
As a recent (last June) DAS 'graduate' I totally agree with you. This spring I shall be seeking extra guidance to significantly improve my competence and confidence (the two go hand in hand IMHO) specifically for this very type of riding!
pgod1960 2 days ago
@pgod1960 - Thanks for the feedback, good luck with the extra guidance. If you want to share your experiences please keep us posted.
advancedbiker 2 days ago
@pgod1960 - Thanks for the feedback, good luck with the extra guidance. If you want to share your experiences please keep us posted.
advancedbiker 2 days ago
@pgod1960 - Thanks for the feedback, good luck with the extra guidance. If you want to share your experiences please keep us posted.
advancedbiker 2 days ago
@pgod1960 - Thanks for the feedback, good luck with the extra guidance. If you want to share your experiences please keep us posted.
advancedbiker 2 days ago
What the hell, if this rider can't ride safely and with confidence in all areas they shouldn't have passed their test!
TheBennyynneB 3 days ago 2
@TheBennyynneB - That is the problem with the present testing system in the UK. On test there is insufficient time to access the riders on all aspects of riding. They only start learning once they have passed the test. Hope that makes sense.
advancedbiker 3 days ago
6:22 Just on?
PhDGamin 2 months ago
@ToonTownTerrorist @advancedbiker *hear's !!! Doh !!
dacosta1972 3 months ago
@ToonTownTerrorist @advancedbiker My belief is that he says things multiple times so that the rider under instruction (who is concentrating on other things) here's it at least once.
Great videos, keep up the good work. I've certainly learned from them.
dacosta1972 3 months ago 3
@dacosta1972 Towarsd the end of every assessment, I really do tend to speak less. The rider expects me to say something, so the get used to hearing ny voice in their heads, even when I amnot behind them...It is just a way to get the rider to thing more about their riding.....
advancedbiker 3 months ago
sorry though if a qualified rider cannot judge revs /gears for corners at relatively slow speeds then they should take advance lesson as this guy is or the BASIC bike test should be more intense.
I would be more concerned about how close he come to the outside edge of the road...full of crap,glass drain covers ect.
Still if anyone benefits from such videos then fair play.Eperience there is no substitute.
landahoycaptain 3 months ago
@landahoycaptain This rider is an example of the riders who come through the UK DSA system. The test is being looked into, but in my opinion does not include enough riding on country roads.
advancedbiker 3 months ago
Deffinetly a real problem, you need the confidence to ignore what the road is doing infront of you and look at the road right around the corner. It really is true the bike will go where you look (Within reason)
iShopatTesco2 4 months ago
Hi Nigel. Brilliant video! I lacked confidence too on the bends. That was until i watched ur video. Now i can take bends easily coz of it. Excellent instruction and a joy to watch all ur videos. Thanks for coming up with the idea. One thing i notice is that you never lose your cool with ur students...well done! And u praise them when they do something right. Are u a police instructor by any chance? Brilliant videos, Nigel!!! :-)
Collie.
COLLIE1972 5 months ago
@COLLIE1972 - Thanks.....Trained as a Police Instructor in the 1980's for cars and motorcycle.
advancedbiker 5 months ago
I wish he didn't repeat everything he says 5 or 6 times. Good grief.
- T3
ToonTownTerrorist 5 months ago
@ToonTownTerrorist hahaha, i second that buddy, must have been a nightmare to listen to.
RockSmith92 3 days ago
Nigel, first if all thank you for your video,s, they are very informative regards planning ,speed,gears,positioning etc.
i too came through direct acces about two years ago and after a couple of solo trips through europe i considered myself to be a fairly safe and experienced . i recently joined rospasmart and took an introductory ride with an instructor. i am waiting to do even more training and can see exactly where my faults are. these vids are helping me no end keep up the postings.
flowerm4n 6 months ago
@flowerm4n Thank you very much for the feedback,it is apreciated. Good luck with your training,you will not far wrong with RoSPA Smart.
advancedbiker 6 months ago
ON WE GO, ON WE GO, ON WE GO, IM SUPRISED HE DIDNT CRASH WITH HIM BLABERING IN HIS EAR !!!!!!
UKskaterBOYS 6 months ago
It is interesting that on a number of your videos I have watched the rider seems to look at the front wheel. Why is that? This seems from your videos to be very common... I wonder why they do it?
j2112c 7 months ago
@j2112c It is a term I use to help the develop observation skills. Most riders do not look far enough ahead. They are often still in car mode. Looking as far forward as you can, can help plan your ride, you have a rough idea of what to expect. Hope that explains it... One rider said once:'You have just shown me a world beyond the front wheel!'
advancedbiker 7 months ago
@advancedbiker Agreed. I see people micro steering, reacting to things coming into their vision as they have not looked far ahead when they look up the riding is smoother. My only issue is when I look further up the road I tend to move earlier in the corner I am in.. sometimes too early... I need practice.
Also I find a side benefit is that it is a good gauge of my levels of energy, as I get tired I look closer and closer to me! It is a sure fire way of measuring my concentration levels. Peace.
j2112c 7 months ago
Going to the middle of the road for a left hand bend, on a narrow road with traffic passing the other way, is in my view dangerous.The logic is to see round the bend clearly, but you do not need to be almost on the white line. The same applies to hugging the left of the road for a right hand bend. Although it "opens up" the view, it also means you are in danger of getting mixed up in the mud and dust near the kerb. Better to not exaggerate this. Instructor shouts and repeats too much.
fingerhorn4 9 months ago
Your video's are very informative, I try to go at my own pace, Its 18months ago I passed and hope to do advanced training this year.. I used to lack confidence on bends but now I go at the speed I feel my bike is safe. My life , My bike, My safety. I envie the go faster guys, but I only have one life. In a 60mph limit road, with a sharp bend I could go as slow as 30 -40miles or a hairpin bend down to 20
Does that make me a bad rider>
paula4u 11 months ago
@paula4u - Thanks for the feedback. The most important think is Go out your own PACE, WITH YOUR OWN COMFORT ZONE. A bad rider does not realise what they are are doing wrong, a good rider does and rides accordingly. Good Luck with you riding and stay safe.
advancedbiker 11 months ago
@advancedbiker
THANKS! I passed my auto lic, 18 months back, then took manual (i know backwards but it irked me not being able ride manual) another 3 months and the auto will be derestricted, but I love my 400cc scooter .
I was thought by an instructor, and it helped me a lot. Booked in for bike safe end of the month and then if possible august advanced riding. I put without exaggeration 28,000 miles on bikes since February 2010.
I love biking! Love the Vid's
paula4u 11 months ago
@paula4u - Keep me posted and share you experiences. Good luck
advancedbiker 11 months ago
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paula4u 11 months ago
@SuperChelseaFC1905 Indeed, the instructor should see that hes too inconfident plus he should disaprove his cornering, this is just as dangerous as going into a corner with 120mph, as example :)
Kamkuru1 11 months ago
he should have never haave passed his test, he is all over the fucking road lucky bastard gor a blind instructor
SuperChelseaFC1905 1 year ago
I've been up and down this road a couple of times this week, we've had the weather so why not?
I must admit, some of these bends do make me think about losing nerve, I see my foot start to hover over the brake and I want to ease off the throttle.
I passed my CBT in October so I've not been on it long but I ride a YZF R125. I am not confident at all in my right hand turns. I've been trying raods like this to build confidence but it doesn't help that I nearly crossed the whiteline in Buxton.
EyeLikePizza 1 year ago
@EyeLikePizza - In a nutsheel with bEnds, it is all about preparation and riding within your OWN LIMITS. Try to look into the bend and also always paln for the exit. You need to have a 'positive' throttl on the bends, so you control the speed. Get the speed right before you enter and do not reduce speed mid corner. Where ever you look, that is where you will end up. Good luck, any more issues, get back to me... Remember you are now starting to ride after the DSA test.
advancedbiker 1 year ago
The guy tilts the bike. He should be leaning. The bike is controlling the rider.
toukopuoko 1 year ago
@toukopuoko In a nutshell Yes, got it one...Thanks for the comments
advancedbiker 1 year ago
Buff it's quite a stressing vid, with all that instructions.
Anyway, I think the rider did it very well.
boskejug 1 year ago
I've recently brought an 1198s and I allways look where im heading but since i've got it my throttle control has improved dramatically. If you said throttle on to me and I was riding i'd probably vanish into the distance and not even notice the speed. I have noticed on my new bike, I keep turning to quicky and soon because its so different to my old bike. Just after 1 long ride out i've finally got to grips with the bike and doing much better now.
benjyboba 1 year ago
I like the comments, not worried about speed, that really helps someone without confidence because it's best for him to look where he needs to go and I've known novice riders who i've rode with who look at their speedo and it makes them slow down when there is simply no need to, just nice road positioning. When you got less things to do, we can concentrate on bend assesment much better.
benjyboba 1 year ago
a motorcycle cop was telling me that in the 60s and 70s when they were chasing a car in the country at night... they were trained to use telegraph pole wires.. to see the bends on the road.. as there head lights would reflect of the wires.. just like your telling him here.. watch the telegraph poles...
Regards
larrythelookout 1 year ago
@8:52 "Forget the speed, it's not for us!" - I like it too ;o)
markypea 2 years ago
Two weeks after passing my test in 94 and the proud owner of a zzr600 I did a trackday, the best thing I ever did.
jimmyrottencauli 2 years ago
@jimmyrottencauli
Id have to agree with you about that.
Cant beat a good track to build confidence.... but some peeps are slower than others..
Not everyone would be confident enough to jump on a 6 and go on a track. I take my hat off to you.
CH1CKENQUIFF 2 years ago
@CH1CKENQUIFF
Some of the guys from the shop where I bought the bike from invited me on a Kawasaki track day and I was insured as well because I used Kawasaki for my insurance, a very well run track day.
It improved my bike handling immensely and I felt completely relaxed on the bike, if only I had done some Advanced motorcycle training on the road the next day that would have been a perfect start.
jimmyrottencauli 2 years ago
@jimmyrottencauli
I started on the track WAY before i took my licence for the road. Confidence wasnt an issue.
I think with advanced training, it can become too anal. Personally, i think you ride to enjoy it. If you overload yourself with all the above (on video) it can take the enjoyment out of riding. I like to find a happy medium...ok, you get cars pulling out and the occasional cutting up but even if you were super advanced, you wont stop this happening.
CH1CKENQUIFF 2 years ago
@CH1CKENQUIFF
"it can become too anal"
Taking the " Advanced " line through bends and road positioning actually makes far more sense the faster you go, because it increases your view ahead.
Safe Riding
Jim
jimmyrottencauli 2 years ago
@CH1CKENQUIFF
You learn all the theory and with practice it becomes second nature. Remember when you first started to drive/ride you were too busy thinkin about clutch and throttle to concentrate on mirrors and indicators? On track you'd be learning about racing lines and apexes but now you do it without thinking!
3SecondsFromDeath 1 year ago
@3SecondsFromDeath
Yes, I totally agree with you on that. I often wonder how Ive got to places when im riding.... pretty scary really... the observation must be second nature too..... well I hoped so ;)
Safe riding
CH1CKENQUIFF 1 year ago
@CH1CKENQUIFF but you wont get ome in one piece
dictatorialmessenger 1 year ago
@dictatorialmessenger
1000`s of riding miles under my belt with no accidents... cant be that bad then ;)
CH1CKENQUIFF 1 year ago
Clive will get there it just takes time, got to say I dont envy you taking riders out, worries me to death just watching, what worries me is if they lose their bottle and brake on a tight L/H bend and straighten the bike up, ooooh though Im sure you go over countersteer with them before hand, good luck & keep um coming
bikedemon99 2 years ago
Speed into bends......If you feel you are going too quick, do not grab the front brake as the bike will sit up instantly......Feather the back brake...
Countersteering will be covered this year, if I can find a way to illustrate it.
advancedbiker 2 years ago
there's quite a good example video and illustration of counter steering at the beginning of twist of the wrist 2... not sure if it appears on youtube, but its online if you look ;)
crazyjoyce 2 years ago 2
Nice encouragement and reassurance with throttle control. I bet he's a much better rider now. He has the ability, just needs confidence I think
jonhunter1987 2 years ago
Bless....if just passed his test, his speed and cornering was probably down to still crapping himself at first every time he slung a leg over.
I did.
But also nothing wrong with a little caution and riding to your own comfort and skill level - we don't have the cage around us - I like to believe that thinking "I could die doing this" every time I ride has kept me alive this far.
arniesbox 2 years ago
bless him, I just know im going to be like this for the first few times on my bike when its sorted. And i passed my test 2 years ago, how ever stupid thing is that the lookign forward etc i do specifically in the car and have done for years, so its justa case of think like that on the bike. It does look like how ever that he is riding just like hes still on his test...and i hated my test lol
Mathewmartialart 2 years ago
I think it's all about experience and confidence so for a new rider this sort of training it will give him a good base to start.
I think "not bothered about speed" means ride at the speed you're comfortable with and learn about position and looking ahead, the speed will come.
Good luck to Clive.
Cheer JJ
The33JAYJAY 2 years ago
I bet whatching himself on this video and comparing it to some of the others helped him a lot.
jimmyrottencauli 2 years ago
Nigel, when you say 'not bothered about the speed' what do you mean? Is he well below the limit or close to it?
Thanks for the vids, learned a lot, reading Roadcraft at the moment and waiting for South Wales Bikesafe dates to come out.
Thanks again,
Ade
ade1382 2 years ago
@ade1382 All I was after was building his confidence. If that meant riding within his comfort zone, i.e., below 60 mph then it works both ways. You build up the trust .....Speed , when safe to do so, can come later......
advancedbiker 2 years ago
this driver needs more training in cornering
warezvz 2 years ago
@warezvz This was the first session and he did improve in later session, will try and find some clips.
advancedbiker 2 years ago
yeah its helpfull to teach a new rider that when you are in corner you dont have to fight the bike into the curve, its better to use the leaning in or to counterstear.
warezvz 2 years ago
P.S. Am loving your vids, so very useful.
LordLampost 2 years ago
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This was great training Nigel!
naythCC 2 years ago
This shows pretty much everything which is wrong with the DSA standard. I might be on L plates but if I didn't use the stuff you teach I wouldn't be here now. Glad to see Clive's confidence started to pick up towards the end though. They should re-invent the test to include using the flexability of the motorcycles positioning to the riders advantage, then I think motorcycle RTC's would reduce a fair bit, because it's certainly helped a lot. Thanks for the vid Nigel
Mark
markgr1nyer 2 years ago
@markgr1nyer
Couldnt agree more. im on L Plates too
gangsta078 2 years ago
I'm also on L plates and couldn't agree more with your comment markgr1nyer.
LordLampost 2 years ago
@markgr1nyer Years ago when I learnt to ride, I bought and applied Roadcraft, it helped immensely. But that is where a lot of advancedbiker is coming from. Good thinking to watch these videos and safe riding...
gr1moire2112 2 years ago
I'm self taught roadcraft, as no instructor will officially teach me whilst I'm on L plates, but I have ridden to roadcraft in front of an advanced instructor and he was totally confident I knew what i was doing. The key to roadcraft is not doing it, but understanding WHY your doing it so you can adapt it to suit the situation
markgr1nyer 2 years ago
@markgr1nyer Thats what I did but in those days I was self taught on a CB550 with a sidewinder...
good point it is exactly about the WHY and thinking ahead based on observations etc. good job.
gr1moire2112 2 years ago