I love Lady Rochford's face. She knows what's going to happen. She alone understood how mad Henry was, out of everyone involved here. She watched him kill a woman he adored with a French sword,a woman of fire and intelligence. She watched her husband die with her. And she still led that pretty, stupid child to the block.
@LeahWalentosky Lady Rochford aided and abetted in Katherine Howard's affair with Thomas Culpepper...so because of that she was charged with treason. She had a nervous breakdown and became insane. It was illegal to execute the insane, so Henry VIII had a bill passed to allow for her to be executed by Act of Attainder.
You know, when Catherine Howard was arrested, she was dancing in the corridor above the chapel in Hampton Court, and when the guards came to take her away, she screamed as loud as she could, because she knew that Henry was in the chapel below, and she thought that maybe if he heard her screams, he'd take pity on her. People in the chapel said that Henry just sat there while Catherine screamed.
@SoKawaii2 Often ladies of high social standing never did things like dress themselves, so it was difficult if they didn't have enough maids, because they didn't know how to take care of themselves. But often a woman's ladies in waiting would also become her closest friends (especially if you were the queen, and you lived a very scheduled, sheltered life.)
@adamant623 Henry let them think that...but he wasn't some naive dupe. He was the king and in the end controlled everything and everyone with rages that became more terrifying the older he got
i have a question and it may sound incredibly dumb but why where women of wealth during this time so obsessive over their maids? It seems that when a few are taken away its liek the biggest downfall for them. Is it because they are spoiled or is it because of friendship?
@SoKawaii2 It's a status thing, the higher your status the more maids and ladies in waiting you had. But in some cases the maids etc were lifelong friends and companions. The court was a lonely place if you didn't have friends
A couple of inaccuracies in this scene. Mary would never have called Chapuys by his first name (Eustace), and Chapuys always regarded her as "Princess" Mary rather than merely "Lady" Mary. To refer to her as the latter would have been caving in to the Protestant reformers while viewing Mary as illegitimate. (He at least would have referred to her as "Princess" in private). Also, Mary and Catherine later reconciled, if not wholeheartedly, then at least moderately.
It makes me laugh that Henry is so surprised that Katherine wasn't as pure as he thought. Am I the only one who remembers what she did with his ring in season 3? How could he not think she was a skank? (in this programme at least anyway)
@kumkumkunaguero LOL, actually, no you're not the only one!! I made almost the exact same comment on this clip...scroll back to late December, 2011 :)
@tnecklover True, but Cranmer was so scared of the kings reaction he didn't tell him directly. He handed him a letter while King Henry was in church, givng thanks for his "rose without a thorn"
@tnecklover That too, but from all the books I've read by credible historians, Cranmer and the councilors were scared, if the information proved false they could have ended up in the tower. Also the men who pushed Katherine towards the king knew they would be in trouble for encouraging the liason. Remember what happened to Cromwell over the Anne of Cleves debacle
@nitanewsreader You're right. I think that Cranmer made sure of his facts before he wrote that letter. It always amazed me that more people didn't lose their places over the Katherine Howard debacle.
@tnecklover They didn't know about Culpepper at this stage, only her music teacher Mannox and Dereham. It was Dereham under torture who told them about Culpepper
The fact is, King Henry paraded himself as a holier than thou Christian. Unlike a real Christian, or indeed God himself, he showed no mercy or forgiveness. If God could forgive a Katherine Howard, why couldnt a king?
@JessicaLouiseMusic True, which is why once Henry condemned someone, he never saw them again - Anne Boleyn, Thomas More etc. Before and during Annes execution he hid him self away so that no-one could petition on her behalf
@PumpkinMassacre Just like her cousin -Anne Boleyn- severed head!
The differences were Anne was innocent of all charges of infidelity and got a swordsman because she was still Queen of England. Katherine actually was guilty and got a block and ax... ironic, huh?!
@amarieoflothlorien Thats true, but by the time he got with Katherine, he was old and fat with stinking pus filled leg wounds. He would never get anyone as young as Katherine again.
@nitanewsreader Ofcourse he could get another girl, he is the king. If he wants you in his bed you better say yes, or you and your family end up in the Tower or with your head on the block. No matter how old, sick or fat he got, there would always be families willing to use their daughters to get better positions, power and money.
@nitanewsreader Yes, but not as young as Katherine. In real life she was only 13 when she met him, 15 when she married him. She was the youngest he ever had. He actualy preferred more mature women, and that's what he went for after Katherines execution. He must have revolted katherine, and Kath Parr also tried to get away from him, she was horrified at his wooing of her, which became stalker like, the way it was with Anne Boleyn
@mcfcMacy It was more that she made a fool of him, and you caouldn't do that to a king in those days and live. Remember, at the very church service where he was giving thanks to God for his perfect love, Cranmer slipped him the letter with allegations against Katherine. The king was shocked beyond words and didn't want to believe it. He was all to ready to believe it about Anne Boleyn
lady rochfords crying because she knows her faith is in the hands of a mad man and hes gonna have her ass killed...shes part the blame for goerge boleyns death..now this. i dont feel sorry for her ass. and catherine shouldve known better.
what remarcable contrast between two young women.. the dignity and intelligence of princess Mary against the frivolity and sillyness of "Kitty"..pathetic
@astrofabio68 Katherine in real life was only 13 when she first met the king. She was only 15 when they married. Mary's dignity turned her into "Bloody Mary". Katherine had more mercy than Mary ever did
I don't understand, the men they arrested looks the same as the one who came to her to give her the news am I seeing twins who's did guy can someone explain me
In all honesty I am not sorry for Henry about this one. Hell the jerk was a huge manslut to begin with! It's about time he got a taste of his own medicine.
I love Lady Rochford's face. She knows what's going to happen. She alone understood how mad Henry was, out of everyone involved here. She watched him kill a woman he adored with a French sword,a woman of fire and intelligence. She watched her husband die with her. And she still led that pretty, stupid child to the block.
@PrincessMioneKag Henry didn't adore anyone - except himself and possibly his son. After that everyone else came. His treatment of Katherine (of Aragon) and their daughter, Mary, should show this above all.
@PrincessMioneKag I have watched the first 2 episodes of the new series. It's further away from the truth than the first 3 series. The Queens ladies merely did as they were told. What Lady Rochford should have done was reported her mistresses shenanigans. Misprison of treason not to
Did you see the BBC version of The Six Wives of Henry VIII from 1970? Lady Rochford is depicted as ugly and middle aged, and with a low and gravelly voice. There is also a recently published book about her which is more praiseworthy. The author contends that she was neither pretty nor ugly, but average to slightly above average in beauty, and was only in her early to middle thirties when she died. The book is a bit too forgiving of her plotting against Anne and George.
@wresltgal She was 15 years old. You never made mistakes or did silly things at age 15? You're just lucky that nowadays you can't be executed for them
@nitanewsreader I'm not saying that when I was 15 I was innocent HOWEVER back in that period she knew better this is one of those situations where age can't help her
@wresltgal I still think t\you're being too harsh and judgemental. She was a very naive trusting girl, and trusted the wrong people. Nowhere in the world were Queens executed for adultery except in E#ngland under Henry Vlll, not even Russia's Ivan The Terrible's wife. They were divorced, banished to a nunnery, annulled, or thrived along witht heir many lovers when their old brutal hubbies died
@nitanewsreader I still can't believe that anyone at that age can be THAT naive even in this time period, unless you have a mental illness where your mind thinks you're a child that's your only excuse, but I doubt she had one beside stupidity, point blank she knew what she was doing
@wresltgal I don't think she truly understood the implications of falling in love with someone closer to her age. Her education was sorely neglected, she was moved from pillar to post without caring parents. She sure wasn't as educated or mature as Anne Boleyn. Henry paraded fimself as a holier than thou Christian, but showed no mercy or forgiveness required by God.
@nitanewsreader Henry himself broke his marriage vows with every one of his wives, and was a hypocrite, not a real forgiving Christian, who if he was, would have had katherine banished, not killed. He was a selfish, peevish, small minded prick who thought he was above God
@nitanewsreader she understood because she lied and sneaked around and encouraged her maids to help her regardless of falling in love with someone closer to her age she stil sneaked around
@wresltgal At least she had the decency to sneak, while unfaithful Henry openly flaunted his mistresses at court in front of his wives. He even celebrated the birth of his illegitimate son by Bessie Blount, and Queen Catherine was forced to drink his health in front of the whole court during a fireworks display and a huge party.
@nitanewsreader But in that time period that was allowed now I'm not saying that I agree with Henry's lifestyle but that was the law of the land I understand that she was young I do but common sense plays a role. We can go back and forth on this till Jesus comes but my mind is made up and I don't feel sorry for her call me cruel and mean I call it being a realist.
@wresltgal I hope you don't have kids. You need compassion to be a mother. For anyome not to have compassion for Katherine Howard, there would have to be something wrong with them. If God can show mercy and compassion, why can't you?
@nitanewsreader I can show compassion and mercy and how dare you try and say that I wouldn't be a good mother sometimes as a parent you have to let your child suffer so they can learn that's how me and my siblings were raised and I'm going to teach my children the same thing if you do wrong there are consequences. you have alot of nerve
@wresltgal You haven't answered the question...if God can show mercy and forgiveness why can't you? Yes, my parents were of the old school and let us face the consequences of our actions, but there was often extreme cruelty involved. You remind me of them.
@nitanewsreader fine you want an answer i feel sorry that she died, but do i feel sorry for why she died no and as far your parents are concerned do you feel that you're a better person for it, because if you are then i'm glad that i remind you of your parents, and since we're getting personal do you have children?
@wresltgal None of us 4 daughters are better for it. How would it help my sister to be told she was ugly and had a thalidomide forehead? She's now addicted to plastic surgery, amongst other things. I am a mother of 4 girls also, and I made sure their upbringing was very different to ours.
@nitanewsreader I just feel it's unnatural not to feel compassion for an unloved motherless girl, who had the bad luck to be chosen by a tyrant, and not the maturity or education to know how to deal with him. I've been there too.
@nitanewsreader well my parents weren't that extreme, but for you to say that I shouldn't have children was a little much and I'm only 20. I thought that we were discussing Katherine Howard, but clearly you decided to take to the next level when you made that comment so I decided that I'm going to be the big little woman in this and just stop "talking" about it I hope you can do the same and have a nice life
@wresltgal Katherine was just a child of seventeen when she married the King. She was not brought up in court-life like most of his other Queens and so she didn't understand the consequences. The Tudors doesn't show this but Henry first met her when she was lady-in-waiting to AoC. Because their marriage didn't last long, Katherine didn't have that much time to fully understand what being in court was like. That's why she did what she did. She was just a child and she'll always be my fav queen.
Oh what a world it was back then, when women, such as Queens, were not protected from their vile husbands! Thank God it's a little more better then it was back then.
@MissTudorGirl2020 She was a typical self absorbed teenager, but she was kind to others, especially Anne of Cleves, when she really didn't have to receive at all.
What people fail to remember is that Henry is to blame not his wives. They were women born in a time when women did not have rights even if the women were born in high society. While Anne Boleyn and Catherine Howard are to blame for their own misconduct, Henry was the one that chose them. He thought of women as objects not people and he married them without regard to their character or history. Most importantly their sexual history! Which is what led to Anne and Katherine's executions.
@princessivoryrose I don't believe Anne Boleyn committed any sexual misconduct. Those allegations were made by Catholic enemies and Mary supporters. I believe she genuinely loved Henry, to her great cost. If not, she would not have shown jealousy ovr his mistresses.
I don't think that Anne was ever promiscuous at all when she was married to Henry. They used the fact that she was intelligent, independent, talented, and artistic, and free minded against her. Women back then were supposed to be quiet, meek, and mild. Like Jane Seymour for instance.
Joan helped in that affair and should have lost her head; first blackmailing herself into Katherine's household and then helping her commit adultery and she then proceeded to rat her out. She knew all of it. I just wonder what would have happened if Katherine had been able to explain everything to Henry. She was blackmailed into hiring Dereham and could have easily explained that since then she had not had a physical relationship wtih him. She wasn't brought up as she should have been.
I wonder if things would have been different if Bulmer hadn't shown up and blackmailed her way in. Katherine initially (at least in this show) didn't seem to view Culpepper as a lover until Bulmer mentioned it and egged her on to go after him. Katherine should have been allowed to explain things and make a confession in front of a court and it even states in her detailed confession that Dickweed Dereham told her it was okay since they were engaged. Henry never bothered.
Do you mean how it would have happened historically? If so, then KH would have still been found out because she and Culpepper were in love during Henry's marriage to Anne of Cleves.
Everyone who should have raised and protected Katherine failed ot do so, from the Dowager Duchess entrusted with her care, to Bulmer who was the one who convinced Katherine that Culpepper liked her and then arranged the assignation and then ratted her out for her own life.
@nitanewsreader I heard different things from historians. Some historians said that she did in fact said it but other said she did not. I know thing she in fact escape her apartments and beg Henry
@sweetheart2109 Yes, well she saw him coming out of the chapel and screamed and begged. But Henry, in real life, knew he may soften if he gave her a hearing, so made sure
he never spoke to her again. Same with Anne Boleyn, she never saw him again from just before she was arrested
@afrababes1 this was a different day and age...the king was viewed as the embodiment of god on earth, they had divine right, and therefore the woman whom the king married to bear his male heirs should be as pure as possible, i.e. virginal or close to it as possible
The hypocrisy here is ridiculous. Every other woman at that Court was a shameless whore, and they had the years and the good breeding to know better. Henry slept with most of them, after all. But you pick a teenage girl up out of a house, with no breeding and no idea that her sexual history would EVER matter and expect her to know better? Idiot.
@PrincessMioneKag Yes, hypocrisy was rampant back in those days. For example, Henry and plenty of other male members of his court slept with any woman they could find and no one batted an eyelash, but if a woman sought affection outside her marriage, she risked a fate like Katherine's. (Matter of fact, I believe women in those days could not sue for divorce on grounds of adultery, because a man's infidelity was not considered sufficient grounds.)
@mst3KGf What's worse is that Henry sought out women to sleep with but when it came time to get married, he wanted a virgin. WTF makes you think you deserve a virgin.
@amarieoflothlorien I know a queen was supposed to be a virgin, but it was silly of him to pick some random girl from nowhere and expect her to be queen material.
@PrincessMioneKag No it's not, there was only one job a queen was supposed to do, bear as many children, preferably sons, as possible. If you had a womb, then that was enough. If you failed at that, you were easily replaced, wether it was your fault or not. For all other things, (fun, sex etc) he had his mistresses.
So this show portrays all these similarities between Anne Boleyn and Katherine (both arrested while dancing with their ladies, both begged Henry to spare them, both of their lovers' executions were juxtaposed with thte queens) and yet the only mention Anne Boleyn got in the fouth season was from Katherine Parr and the dream?
Well, I think Henry deserves what Katherine did to him, and now he knows at least an ounce of what it was like when he put Katherine of Aragon and Anne Boleyn through.
One point I never seem to hear raised by historians about the queens' failure to produce more sons is that the issue my have been Henry. Lots of guys have problems which can lead to unhealthy babies or miscarriges. Maybe he shouldn't have been so quick to blame his wives.
I absolutely loved Princess Mary's gown/jewelry in this scene. Does anyone know where a good site of the show's costumes/jewelry/other props might be? 1 w/ decent images!!! If anyone knows, please tell me!!!
How could have Catherine been so stupid? I mean, how could she forget her poor cousin Anne Boleyn? Did her family never warn her about the consequences of being queen to a monster like Henry. Was she that blind to think she could have an affair with Thomas Culpepper. What about her grandmother, to let her past lovers acutally come and work for Catherine. That was not so smart on her part either. Jane Rochford was no betther either. Poor Katherine, I couldn't imagine what she went through.
Lady Rochford was a fool to believe Norfolk would secure her a husband, after she falsely accussed her husband and sister-in-law and helping katherine howard cover up her affairs, she got what was coming to her.
Poor Catherine, she just didn't understand, the King had spies everywhere, you just couldn't screw with him. I believe she was not always innocent, yes she didn't know a lot of things when it came to court life, but in this series she knew what she was doing when having sex with Thomas. Women didnt have any say back then, at all, the man could cheat, but women were not able to.
Did you see Chapyus' expression as Katherine is dragged out of the hall? He's probably like "Oh God, here we go again. Another wife down the tubes!" I think everyone knew she was going to be executed at this point. I'm sure Chapyus knew & pitied her cuz she was so young/naive about the world (least of all the constant backstabbing at court)!!!
@Snezhinka9 Norfolk pretty much did whatever he had to do to stay in Henry's good graces. He turned his back on his niece Anne Boleyn when she was accused, then denied all association with Katherine Howard when she was accused (despite the fact that he had arranged for Katherine to ctach Henry's eye in the first place).
Although Katherine had done some sinful things, I couldn't help but feel sorry for her. She was so young and afraid. But then again, that's the Tudor Court for you.
@JuzTudor70AD Yes, I only wonder if they actually have some historical basis for this proximity, (not the first name basis but in general terms) at this point of their lives.
@JuzTudor70AD Very much so, royalty weren't formal ALL the time that would be exhausting, there's no doubt that they lived more casually behind closed doors.
@DaniMajor Don't forget, Chapuys has been in Mary's life for a very long time, he was the spanish ambassador when her mother was Queen, so, he has, at this point, been around for almost 20 years, and, he has been a better father to her than Henry ever has.
this is got be one of th worst portrayals of Hnery and Katherines marriage, Hnery was besotted by Katherine and did anyting in his power to please her for one thing he never let Marys slights against Katherine go unpunished nor would he have been so eager to annul the marriage he was genuinely devestated at her indescretions more than he was at Janes death
@AmethystPiscesNix I agree. They missed out two very vital characters - ArchBishop Cranmer & Duke of Norfolk. Even the Anne of Cleves segment was a lot better (and hers only consisted of 2 episodes). They could have a lot better within the 5 episodes time frame. The story bulid up to KH's downfall & execution was done too quickly
@AmethystPiscesNix Indeed, I think also because he was getting older and he really did not have that much to choose form because of him getting older.
@AmethystPiscesNix yes he called her his rose without thorns, she was supposed to be the woman he wanted to grow old with. Needless to day Henry was a little displeased!!
@justustoknowx When Henry fell for Katherine, typical thing of aging sick man trying to recapture his youth with a teenager. She was a cute little thing and very sexy, but with zero intellectual ability, which was good, because Henry was all through with strong women with minds of their own. Jane was a very strong woman but with the smarts to keep her mind to herself. The 1st Katherine, of Aragon, always thought Henry wd come back to her, in a way he did, Jane was just like her, pious, dignified
A couple of things I did not like about this episode, is how Henry wanted someone eles to read the letter, can he not read himself? 2 is that, How he was so quick to get over Kathrine!!! 3 how kathrine really thought that she was inoccent and how she only thought about herself, 4 how she made a speach just like Anne did, but the good thing about this is is that she said she loved Clupeper!! and not the King! very good video thansk for posting!!.
@Hattaru after re-watching the KH episodes, I personally felt that the writers should have included Archbishop Cranmer & the Duke of Norfolk as historically recorded. It was Cranmer who sent Henry VIII the letter. It was the Duke of Norfolk who introduced KH to Henry not the Seymors & Charles Brandon. They seriously threw out the history books and slot in the folklore version of KH's last speech
@JuzTudor70AD Of course, but this is after all a TV show and a lote of things are put in the tudors episodes are fake just to make it entertaining because we all know that Henry the 8th did not look like that and his wifes were not that beautiful, but this is a TVshow so of course they are going to make a lote of things made up!.
You know what the worst part about them not having Norfolk? While Anne Boleyn was around, her father had filled in nearly the exact same role as the historical Norfolk.
@JuzTudor70AD I agree, but that is why it is called entertainment and not historic that is why I don't really like the Tudor show because its mostly about entertainment and the facts are just thrown out there.
@Hattaru I think Henry wanted some one else to read the letter, not because he himself couldn't but because he had read it but wanted the other man to read it so Henry could question him about f
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I love Lady Rochford's face. She knows what's going to happen. She alone understood how mad Henry was, out of everyone involved here. She watched him kill a woman he adored with a French sword,a woman of fire and intelligence. She watched her husband die with her. And she still led that pretty, stupid child to the block.
PrincessMioneKag 1 week ago
What did Lady Rochester do?
LeahWalentosky 1 week ago
@LeahWalentosky what do u mean? she helped the Queen with her late nigh trysts
CaitlinSk 1 week ago
@CaitlinSk I didn't know that, thats why I asked, thank you for answering
LeahWalentosky 1 week ago
@LeahWalentosky Lady Rochford aided and abetted in Katherine Howard's affair with Thomas Culpepper...so because of that she was charged with treason. She had a nervous breakdown and became insane. It was illegal to execute the insane, so Henry VIII had a bill passed to allow for her to be executed by Act of Attainder.
tropicsgoddess 2 days ago
Wouldnt it just be wonderful to have the powers to arrest and torture anyone you pleased XD King Henry was a true badass
cbohar84 1 month ago
You know, when Catherine Howard was arrested, she was dancing in the corridor above the chapel in Hampton Court, and when the guards came to take her away, she screamed as loud as she could, because she knew that Henry was in the chapel below, and she thought that maybe if he heard her screams, he'd take pity on her. People in the chapel said that Henry just sat there while Catherine screamed.
PassTheMarmalade1957 1 month ago
@SoKawaii2 Often ladies of high social standing never did things like dress themselves, so it was difficult if they didn't have enough maids, because they didn't know how to take care of themselves. But often a woman's ladies in waiting would also become her closest friends (especially if you were the queen, and you lived a very scheduled, sheltered life.)
PassTheMarmalade1957 1 month ago
God Jane this isn't about you!
piratedemoness 1 month ago
Henry was a tool. they controlled him.
adamant623 1 month ago
@adamant623 Henry let them think that...but he wasn't some naive dupe. He was the king and in the end controlled everything and everyone with rages that became more terrifying the older he got
nitanewsreader 1 month ago
In the words of the late Johnny Carson referring to Henry VIII. Henry "got what he paid for."
deloufu 1 month ago
i have a question and it may sound incredibly dumb but why where women of wealth during this time so obsessive over their maids? It seems that when a few are taken away its liek the biggest downfall for them. Is it because they are spoiled or is it because of friendship?
SoKawaii2 1 month ago
@SoKawaii2 It's a status thing, the higher your status the more maids and ladies in waiting you had. But in some cases the maids etc were lifelong friends and companions. The court was a lonely place if you didn't have friends
nitanewsreader 1 month ago
A couple of inaccuracies in this scene. Mary would never have called Chapuys by his first name (Eustace), and Chapuys always regarded her as "Princess" Mary rather than merely "Lady" Mary. To refer to her as the latter would have been caving in to the Protestant reformers while viewing Mary as illegitimate. (He at least would have referred to her as "Princess" in private). Also, Mary and Catherine later reconciled, if not wholeheartedly, then at least moderately.
telamon2011 1 month ago
It makes me laugh that Henry is so surprised that Katherine wasn't as pure as he thought. Am I the only one who remembers what she did with his ring in season 3? How could he not think she was a skank? (in this programme at least anyway)
kumkumkunaguero 1 month ago
@kumkumkunaguero what did she do with his ring? was the ring really that big ;)
ellietudorose 1 month ago
@kumkumkunaguero LOL, actually, no you're not the only one!! I made almost the exact same comment on this clip...scroll back to late December, 2011 :)
aglistningvale 3 weeks ago
I think it was Archbishop Cranmer who told the King about the Queen Katherine, not Hertford.
tnecklover 2 months ago
@tnecklover True, but Cranmer was so scared of the kings reaction he didn't tell him directly. He handed him a letter while King Henry was in church, givng thanks for his "rose without a thorn"
nitanewsreader 2 months ago
@nitanewsreader Cranmer wasn't scared of the King. He knew Henry would be hurt by it.
tnecklover 1 month ago
@tnecklover That too, but from all the books I've read by credible historians, Cranmer and the councilors were scared, if the information proved false they could have ended up in the tower. Also the men who pushed Katherine towards the king knew they would be in trouble for encouraging the liason. Remember what happened to Cromwell over the Anne of Cleves debacle
nitanewsreader 1 month ago
@nitanewsreader You're right. I think that Cranmer made sure of his facts before he wrote that letter. It always amazed me that more people didn't lose their places over the Katherine Howard debacle.
tnecklover 1 month ago
@tnecklover They didn't know about Culpepper at this stage, only her music teacher Mannox and Dereham. It was Dereham under torture who told them about Culpepper
nitanewsreader 4 weeks ago
The fact is, King Henry paraded himself as a holier than thou Christian. Unlike a real Christian, or indeed God himself, he showed no mercy or forgiveness. If God could forgive a Katherine Howard, why couldnt a king?
nitanewsreader 2 months ago
@nitanewsreader Although Henry is shown across this way, generally, if you could get to Henry, you could change his mind.
JessicaLouiseMusic 1 month ago
@JessicaLouiseMusic True, which is why once Henry condemned someone, he never saw them again - Anne Boleyn, Thomas More etc. Before and during Annes execution he hid him self away so that no-one could petition on her behalf
nitanewsreader 1 month ago
Why do the Seymores hate the Howards?
Meela234 2 months ago
Sarah looks amazing in that brown dress!
sassuhfrass93 2 months ago
O_O what Katherine did was wrong surely and although I liked Lady Mary in this show, she is too "higher-than-thou" and cruel at some points X_X
PureLightHealer 2 months ago 4
Did she died?
This comment is meant to be both ironic and inquisitive.
but seriously, Did she died???
PumpkinMassacre 3 months ago
@PumpkinMassacre Just like her cousin -Anne Boleyn- severed head!
The differences were Anne was innocent of all charges of infidelity and got a swordsman because she was still Queen of England. Katherine actually was guilty and got a block and ax... ironic, huh?!
NorryaParsa 2 months ago
Mary was right,The king did tire of Kitty
mcfcMacy 3 months ago 24
@mcfcMacy He tires of all women, he likes the hunt, but once he gets them he gets bored with them and wants another.
amarieoflothlorien 2 months ago
@amarieoflothlorien So true! He prefers the hunt to the catch.
peacedesertrose 2 months ago
@amarieoflothlorien Thats true, but by the time he got with Katherine, he was old and fat with stinking pus filled leg wounds. He would never get anyone as young as Katherine again.
nitanewsreader 2 months ago
@nitanewsreader Ofcourse he could get another girl, he is the king. If he wants you in his bed you better say yes, or you and your family end up in the Tower or with your head on the block. No matter how old, sick or fat he got, there would always be families willing to use their daughters to get better positions, power and money.
amarieoflothlorien 2 months ago
@nitanewsreader Yes, but not as young as Katherine. In real life she was only 13 when she met him, 15 when she married him. She was the youngest he ever had. He actualy preferred more mature women, and that's what he went for after Katherines execution. He must have revolted katherine, and Kath Parr also tried to get away from him, she was horrified at his wooing of her, which became stalker like, the way it was with Anne Boleyn
nitanewsreader 2 months ago
@mcfcMacy It was more that she made a fool of him, and you caouldn't do that to a king in those days and live. Remember, at the very church service where he was giving thanks to God for his perfect love, Cranmer slipped him the letter with allegations against Katherine. The king was shocked beyond words and didn't want to believe it. He was all to ready to believe it about Anne Boleyn
nitanewsreader 2 months ago
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mcfcMacy 3 months ago
So it is true you cannot turn ho into a housewife
slackergirl123477 3 months ago 12
lady rochfords crying because she knows her faith is in the hands of a mad man and hes gonna have her ass killed...shes part the blame for goerge boleyns death..now this. i dont feel sorry for her ass. and catherine shouldve known better.
chykim1 3 months ago
@littleniyah thank, can anybody tell me is the men they arrest is the same as the one who told Catherine she has ofences to the king
brendalizruiz 3 months ago
what remarcable contrast between two young women.. the dignity and intelligence of princess Mary against the frivolity and sillyness of "Kitty"..pathetic
astrofabio68 3 months ago
@astrofabio68 Katherine in real life was only 13 when she first met the king. She was only 15 when they married. Mary's dignity turned her into "Bloody Mary". Katherine had more mercy than Mary ever did
nitanewsreader 2 months ago
I don't understand, the men they arrested looks the same as the one who came to her to give her the news am I seeing twins who's did guy can someone explain me
brendalizruiz 4 months ago
Culpepper and beheaded
brendalizruiz 4 months ago
What does Thomas says to her right before he said; his majestic would not speak to you your majestic is what???
brendalizruiz 4 months ago
@brendalizruiz His majesty is at chapel
littleniyah 3 months ago
Why are you crying like this? It's not about you! Aww little ignorant Katherine. Lady Rochford knew better, she saw it all before
Natulcien1992 4 months ago
And that little thing Catherine did with Henry's ring the first time he met her didn't clue him in that she might not be a virgin??? Hmmmmm.
aglistningvale 4 months ago
@aglistningvale But that would never have happened in real life. Henry was actually a prude and didn't like suggestive or dirty jokes
nitanewsreader 2 months ago
I never thought about this until now. But Henry got a taste of his medicine. Wow!
mmmmmvodka 5 months ago 2
In all honesty I am not sorry for Henry about this one. Hell the jerk was a huge manslut to begin with! It's about time he got a taste of his own medicine.
bambooblossom 5 months ago 2
@bambooblossom True, but it was the women and other innocents in his life who paid, often with their lives
nitanewsreader 2 months ago
I love Lady Rochford's face. She knows what's going to happen. She alone understood how mad Henry was, out of everyone involved here. She watched him kill a woman he adored with a French sword,a woman of fire and intelligence. She watched her husband die with her. And she still led that pretty, stupid child to the block.
PrincessMioneKag 6 months ago 30
@PrincessMioneKag Henry didn't adore anyone - except himself and possibly his son. After that everyone else came. His treatment of Katherine (of Aragon) and their daughter, Mary, should show this above all.
NebetSeta 3 months ago 2
@NebetSeta Katherine was his sexual plaything
nitanewsreader 2 months ago
@PrincessMioneKag I have watched the first 2 episodes of the new series. It's further away from the truth than the first 3 series. The Queens ladies merely did as they were told. What Lady Rochford should have done was reported her mistresses shenanigans. Misprison of treason not to
nitanewsreader 2 months ago
@PrincessMioneKag
Did you see the BBC version of The Six Wives of Henry VIII from 1970? Lady Rochford is depicted as ugly and middle aged, and with a low and gravelly voice. There is also a recently published book about her which is more praiseworthy. The author contends that she was neither pretty nor ugly, but average to slightly above average in beauty, and was only in her early to middle thirties when she died. The book is a bit too forgiving of her plotting against Anne and George.
telamon2011 1 month ago
Maybe this is me being mean but i have no sympathy for her she knew the consequences if she got caught and she chose to ignore them to have fun
wresltgal 6 months ago 32
@wresltgal She was 15 years old. You never made mistakes or did silly things at age 15? You're just lucky that nowadays you can't be executed for them
nitanewsreader 2 months ago
@nitanewsreader I'm not saying that when I was 15 I was innocent HOWEVER back in that period she knew better this is one of those situations where age can't help her
wresltgal 2 months ago
@wresltgal I still think t\you're being too harsh and judgemental. She was a very naive trusting girl, and trusted the wrong people. Nowhere in the world were Queens executed for adultery except in E#ngland under Henry Vlll, not even Russia's Ivan The Terrible's wife. They were divorced, banished to a nunnery, annulled, or thrived along witht heir many lovers when their old brutal hubbies died
nitanewsreader 2 months ago
@nitanewsreader I still can't believe that anyone at that age can be THAT naive even in this time period, unless you have a mental illness where your mind thinks you're a child that's your only excuse, but I doubt she had one beside stupidity, point blank she knew what she was doing
wresltgal 2 months ago
@wresltgal I don't think she truly understood the implications of falling in love with someone closer to her age. Her education was sorely neglected, she was moved from pillar to post without caring parents. She sure wasn't as educated or mature as Anne Boleyn. Henry paraded fimself as a holier than thou Christian, but showed no mercy or forgiveness required by God.
nitanewsreader 2 months ago
@nitanewsreader Henry himself broke his marriage vows with every one of his wives, and was a hypocrite, not a real forgiving Christian, who if he was, would have had katherine banished, not killed. He was a selfish, peevish, small minded prick who thought he was above God
nitanewsreader 2 months ago
@nitanewsreader she understood because she lied and sneaked around and encouraged her maids to help her regardless of falling in love with someone closer to her age she stil sneaked around
wresltgal 1 month ago
@wresltgal At least she had the decency to sneak, while unfaithful Henry openly flaunted his mistresses at court in front of his wives. He even celebrated the birth of his illegitimate son by Bessie Blount, and Queen Catherine was forced to drink his health in front of the whole court during a fireworks display and a huge party.
nitanewsreader 1 month ago
@nitanewsreader But in that time period that was allowed now I'm not saying that I agree with Henry's lifestyle but that was the law of the land I understand that she was young I do but common sense plays a role. We can go back and forth on this till Jesus comes but my mind is made up and I don't feel sorry for her call me cruel and mean I call it being a realist.
wresltgal 1 month ago
@wresltgal I hope you don't have kids. You need compassion to be a mother. For anyome not to have compassion for Katherine Howard, there would have to be something wrong with them. If God can show mercy and compassion, why can't you?
nitanewsreader 1 month ago
@nitanewsreader I can show compassion and mercy and how dare you try and say that I wouldn't be a good mother sometimes as a parent you have to let your child suffer so they can learn that's how me and my siblings were raised and I'm going to teach my children the same thing if you do wrong there are consequences. you have alot of nerve
wresltgal 1 month ago
@wresltgal You haven't answered the question...if God can show mercy and forgiveness why can't you? Yes, my parents were of the old school and let us face the consequences of our actions, but there was often extreme cruelty involved. You remind me of them.
nitanewsreader 1 month ago
@nitanewsreader fine you want an answer i feel sorry that she died, but do i feel sorry for why she died no and as far your parents are concerned do you feel that you're a better person for it, because if you are then i'm glad that i remind you of your parents, and since we're getting personal do you have children?
wresltgal 1 month ago
@wresltgal None of us 4 daughters are better for it. How would it help my sister to be told she was ugly and had a thalidomide forehead? She's now addicted to plastic surgery, amongst other things. I am a mother of 4 girls also, and I made sure their upbringing was very different to ours.
nitanewsreader 1 month ago
@nitanewsreader I just feel it's unnatural not to feel compassion for an unloved motherless girl, who had the bad luck to be chosen by a tyrant, and not the maturity or education to know how to deal with him. I've been there too.
nitanewsreader 1 month ago
@nitanewsreader well my parents weren't that extreme, but for you to say that I shouldn't have children was a little much and I'm only 20. I thought that we were discussing Katherine Howard, but clearly you decided to take to the next level when you made that comment so I decided that I'm going to be the big little woman in this and just stop "talking" about it I hope you can do the same and have a nice life
wresltgal 1 month ago
@wresltgal Katherine was just a child of seventeen when she married the King. She was not brought up in court-life like most of his other Queens and so she didn't understand the consequences. The Tudors doesn't show this but Henry first met her when she was lady-in-waiting to AoC. Because their marriage didn't last long, Katherine didn't have that much time to fully understand what being in court was like. That's why she did what she did. She was just a child and she'll always be my fav queen.
JessicaLouiseMusic 1 month ago
@JessicaLouiseMusic True, but in real life she was only 15 when she married the king. I don't know why on the Tudors they portray her as 17.
nitanewsreader 1 month ago
Oh what a world it was back then, when women, such as Queens, were not protected from their vile husbands! Thank God it's a little more better then it was back then.
mckfrr 6 months ago 6
Haha for Katherine she only cares about herself .
MissTudorGirl2020 7 months ago
@MissTudorGirl2020
Katherine doesn't know what Lady Rochford did to her husband to Anne Boleyn.
princessivoryrose 5 months ago
@MissTudorGirl2020 As most 15 year olds do
nitanewsreader 2 months ago
@MissTudorGirl2020 She was a typical self absorbed teenager, but she was kind to others, especially Anne of Cleves, when she really didn't have to receive at all.
nitanewsreader 2 months ago
What people fail to remember is that Henry is to blame not his wives. They were women born in a time when women did not have rights even if the women were born in high society. While Anne Boleyn and Catherine Howard are to blame for their own misconduct, Henry was the one that chose them. He thought of women as objects not people and he married them without regard to their character or history. Most importantly their sexual history! Which is what led to Anne and Katherine's executions.
princessivoryrose 8 months ago 2
@princessivoryrose Katherine Howard was the one only of Henry wives that actually cheated on him. Anne Boleyn never cheated on Henry
sweetheart2109 2 months ago
@princessivoryrose Anne was innocent and a virgin when she married. Don't believe what her enemies have written about her
nitanewsreader 2 months ago
@princessivoryrose I don't believe Anne Boleyn committed any sexual misconduct. Those allegations were made by Catholic enemies and Mary supporters. I believe she genuinely loved Henry, to her great cost. If not, she would not have shown jealousy ovr his mistresses.
nitanewsreader 2 months ago
@nitanewsreader
I don't think that Anne was ever promiscuous at all when she was married to Henry. They used the fact that she was intelligent, independent, talented, and artistic, and free minded against her. Women back then were supposed to be quiet, meek, and mild. Like Jane Seymour for instance.
princessivoryrose 2 months ago
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KARMA came back to bite that B!tch in the butt
PrincessKarrah 9 months ago
What happened to the girls? Were they killed?
hothotheat3000 10 months ago
@hothotheat3000 katherine and lady rochford? executed for treason.
MarinaMaxwellYuy 9 months ago
@MarinaMaxwellYuy I meant the ladies in waiting:)
hothotheat3000 9 months ago
@hothotheat3000 Okay. Well, I guess they could stay at court but they lost their jobs. At least, they did not lose their heads.
MarinaMaxwellYuy 9 months ago
Joan helped in that affair and should have lost her head; first blackmailing herself into Katherine's household and then helping her commit adultery and she then proceeded to rat her out. She knew all of it. I just wonder what would have happened if Katherine had been able to explain everything to Henry. She was blackmailed into hiring Dereham and could have easily explained that since then she had not had a physical relationship wtih him. She wasn't brought up as she should have been.
TheNuharoo 9 months ago
@TheNuharoo You are wright. Things would have been so different.
MarinaMaxwellYuy 9 months ago
I wonder if things would have been different if Bulmer hadn't shown up and blackmailed her way in. Katherine initially (at least in this show) didn't seem to view Culpepper as a lover until Bulmer mentioned it and egged her on to go after him. Katherine should have been allowed to explain things and make a confession in front of a court and it even states in her detailed confession that Dickweed Dereham told her it was okay since they were engaged. Henry never bothered.
TheNuharoo 9 months ago
@TheNuharoo
Do you mean how it would have happened historically? If so, then KH would have still been found out because she and Culpepper were in love during Henry's marriage to Anne of Cleves.
ZeroMyHero99 8 months ago
Everyone who should have raised and protected Katherine failed ot do so, from the Dowager Duchess entrusted with her care, to Bulmer who was the one who convinced Katherine that Culpepper liked her and then arranged the assignation and then ratted her out for her own life.
TheNuharoo 10 months ago
Katherine never said she loved Culpapper at her execution. She made the speech she was meant to as Queen, with class.
nitanewsreader 10 months ago
@nitanewsreader I heard different things from historians. Some historians said that she did in fact said it but other said she did not. I know thing she in fact escape her apartments and beg Henry
sweetheart2109 2 months ago
@sweetheart2109 Yes, well she saw him coming out of the chapel and screamed and begged. But Henry, in real life, knew he may soften if he gave her a hearing, so made sure
he never spoke to her again. Same with Anne Boleyn, she never saw him again from just before she was arrested
nitanewsreader 2 months ago
the stare he give at 7:25 was cold and hard.....damn
lewkev 10 months ago
omg it really dont matter what happened before he met the queen gosh its not the kings business anyway
afrababes1 10 months ago
@afrababes1 this was a different day and age...the king was viewed as the embodiment of god on earth, they had divine right, and therefore the woman whom the king married to bear his male heirs should be as pure as possible, i.e. virginal or close to it as possible
cazia9 10 months ago 2
@cazia9 True, there could be no issues over the succession, or the possibility that a bastard not of the kings blood could come to the throne
nitanewsreader 2 months ago
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@cazia9 True, there could be no issues over the succession, or the possibility that a bastard not of the kings blood could come to the throne
nitanewsreader 2 months ago
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@cazia9 True, there could be no issues over the succession, or the possibility that a bastard not of the kings blood could come to the throne
nitanewsreader 2 months ago
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@cazia9 True, there could be no issues over the succession, or the possibility that a bastard not of the kings blood could come to the throne
nitanewsreader 2 months ago
O, you can here JRM's irish accent on some words
TooCoolforschool1000 11 months ago
KARMA came back to bite that B!tch in the butt
PrincessKarrah 1 year ago 6
A queen didnt have to be a virgin :/ just in those times it was believed if a woman was pure a son would be born
MissKerri08 1 year ago
I was as happy as Mary when Kathrine world came crashing down around her like that
PrincessKarrah 1 year ago
The hypocrisy here is ridiculous. Every other woman at that Court was a shameless whore, and they had the years and the good breeding to know better. Henry slept with most of them, after all. But you pick a teenage girl up out of a house, with no breeding and no idea that her sexual history would EVER matter and expect her to know better? Idiot.
PrincessMioneKag 1 year ago 4
@PrincessMioneKag Yes, hypocrisy was rampant back in those days. For example, Henry and plenty of other male members of his court slept with any woman they could find and no one batted an eyelash, but if a woman sought affection outside her marriage, she risked a fate like Katherine's. (Matter of fact, I believe women in those days could not sue for divorce on grounds of adultery, because a man's infidelity was not considered sufficient grounds.)
mst3KGf 1 year ago
@mst3KGf What's worse is that Henry sought out women to sleep with but when it came time to get married, he wanted a virgin. WTF makes you think you deserve a virgin.
PrincessMioneKag 1 year ago
@PrincessMioneKag A new Queen was expected to be a virgin to make sure a son would be the true heir of the throne.
amarieoflothlorien 1 year ago 2
@amarieoflothlorien I know a queen was supposed to be a virgin, but it was silly of him to pick some random girl from nowhere and expect her to be queen material.
PrincessMioneKag 1 year ago
@PrincessMioneKag No it's not, there was only one job a queen was supposed to do, bear as many children, preferably sons, as possible. If you had a womb, then that was enough. If you failed at that, you were easily replaced, wether it was your fault or not. For all other things, (fun, sex etc) he had his mistresses.
amarieoflothlorien 1 year ago
Henry looked scary when he stared at the freaked out Kathryn.
genchandy 1 year ago
So this show portrays all these similarities between Anne Boleyn and Katherine (both arrested while dancing with their ladies, both begged Henry to spare them, both of their lovers' executions were juxtaposed with thte queens) and yet the only mention Anne Boleyn got in the fouth season was from Katherine Parr and the dream?
ZeroMyHero99 1 year ago
@ZeroMyHero99 The only difference was that Anne Boleyn was innocent of those charges. The person Anne ever slept with was with Henry
sweetheart2109 2 months ago
Well, I think Henry deserves what Katherine did to him, and now he knows at least an ounce of what it was like when he put Katherine of Aragon and Anne Boleyn through.
EnchantressLaina 1 year ago 5
Mary really had values about dignitiy....in contrast with Seymour`s wife
astrofabio68 1 year ago 5
One point I never seem to hear raised by historians about the queens' failure to produce more sons is that the issue my have been Henry. Lots of guys have problems which can lead to unhealthy babies or miscarriges. Maybe he shouldn't have been so quick to blame his wives.
Sirea0 1 year ago 2
I absolutely loved Princess Mary's gown/jewelry in this scene. Does anyone know where a good site of the show's costumes/jewelry/other props might be? 1 w/ decent images!!! If anyone knows, please tell me!!!
TheStarSorceress 1 year ago
How could have Catherine been so stupid? I mean, how could she forget her poor cousin Anne Boleyn? Did her family never warn her about the consequences of being queen to a monster like Henry. Was she that blind to think she could have an affair with Thomas Culpepper. What about her grandmother, to let her past lovers acutally come and work for Catherine. That was not so smart on her part either. Jane Rochford was no betther either. Poor Katherine, I couldn't imagine what she went through.
kisha1682 1 year ago 5
@kisha1682
To top it all of Rochford and Culpepper were at court during Anne's fall.
ZeroMyHero99 1 year ago
Lady Rochford was a fool to believe Norfolk would secure her a husband, after she falsely accussed her husband and sister-in-law and helping katherine howard cover up her affairs, she got what was coming to her.
HistoryLover1550 1 year ago
Mary Tudor's dark side is coming out; you can see the monster she will become.
happybkwrm 1 year ago 3
Poor Catherine, she just didn't understand, the King had spies everywhere, you just couldn't screw with him. I believe she was not always innocent, yes she didn't know a lot of things when it came to court life, but in this series she knew what she was doing when having sex with Thomas. Women didnt have any say back then, at all, the man could cheat, but women were not able to.
mckfrr 1 year ago
Did you see Chapyus' expression as Katherine is dragged out of the hall? He's probably like "Oh God, here we go again. Another wife down the tubes!" I think everyone knew she was going to be executed at this point. I'm sure Chapyus knew & pitied her cuz she was so young/naive about the world (least of all the constant backstabbing at court)!!!
TheStarSorceress 1 year ago 4
Is it true that Katherine's uncle Duke of Norfolk was the one who betrayed her?
Snezhinka9 1 year ago 3
@Snezhinka9 Norfolk pretty much did whatever he had to do to stay in Henry's good graces. He turned his back on his niece Anne Boleyn when she was accused, then denied all association with Katherine Howard when she was accused (despite the fact that he had arranged for Katherine to ctach Henry's eye in the first place).
lacouerfairy 1 year ago
Eustance Chapuys is so kind to Mary! He's like an uncle to her. He is her only true friend at court.
littlehyperbox 1 year ago 3
@littlehyperbox - actually, he's more like a father to her. More of a father than Henry.
Snezhinka9 1 year ago 3
Too bad this final season was the worst of the series:(
celticstuffrox 1 year ago
can anyone advise how I can do some sight seeing a music video or trailer when I have the seasons
1sambba1 1 year ago
Although Katherine had done some sinful things, I couldn't help but feel sorry for her. She was so young and afraid. But then again, that's the Tudor Court for you.
mothaOmess 1 year ago 3
grrr, hate lady jane...horrible person. poor kitty, surrounded by back stabbers.
PaleLittleGirl1 1 year ago 4
Eustace? Seriously? Since when Chapuys went from: His Excellency to Eustace?!
DaniMajor 1 year ago 11
@DaniMajor oh well, after all these years, maybe it's okay for Mary to address Chapuys as a friend when they are not in Court.
JuzTudor70AD 1 year ago 30
@JuzTudor70AD Yes, I only wonder if they actually have some historical basis for this proximity, (not the first name basis but in general terms) at this point of their lives.
DaniMajor 1 year ago
@JuzTudor70AD Very much so, royalty weren't formal ALL the time that would be exhausting, there's no doubt that they lived more casually behind closed doors.
EnglishRose719 1 year ago
@DaniMajor Don't forget, Chapuys has been in Mary's life for a very long time, he was the spanish ambassador when her mother was Queen, so, he has, at this point, been around for almost 20 years, and, he has been a better father to her than Henry ever has.
Jamestopboy 1 year ago
@DaniMajor When you are friends with someone, you don't call him "His Excellency"
QueenBrendaSIV 7 months ago
I am a Mary and a Kitty fan
PatriciaGarciaSarion 1 year ago 2
cold hearted asshole
halyie 1 year ago
this is got be one of th worst portrayals of Hnery and Katherines marriage, Hnery was besotted by Katherine and did anyting in his power to please her for one thing he never let Marys slights against Katherine go unpunished nor would he have been so eager to annul the marriage he was genuinely devestated at her indescretions more than he was at Janes death
AmethystPiscesNix 1 year ago 13
@AmethystPiscesNix I agree. They missed out two very vital characters - ArchBishop Cranmer & Duke of Norfolk. Even the Anne of Cleves segment was a lot better (and hers only consisted of 2 episodes). They could have a lot better within the 5 episodes time frame. The story bulid up to KH's downfall & execution was done too quickly
JuzTudor70AD 1 year ago 17
@JuzTudor70AD
It's the last season. They sadly couldn't do more.
loisen 1 year ago
@JuzTudor70AD
At least it wasn't portrayed like it was on Henry VIII (2003)
ZeroMyHero99 6 months ago
@AmethystPiscesNix Indeed, I think also because he was getting older and he really did not have that much to choose form because of him getting older.
Hattaru 1 year ago
@AmethystPiscesNix yes he called her his rose without thorns, she was supposed to be the woman he wanted to grow old with. Needless to day Henry was a little displeased!!
amarieoflothlorien 1 year ago
@AmethystPiscesNix - Hey, if I can get past Jonathan Rhys Meyer's Cork quack, I can suspend my critical analysis of pretty much anything. :D
TankiesYank 7 months ago 2
@AmethystPiscesNix I agree. There were many inaccuracies in this depiction.
51Saffron 6 months ago
@AmethystPiscesNix Could you please tell me more about that? Katherine and Jane really interest me!
justustoknowx 5 months ago
@justustoknowx When Henry fell for Katherine, typical thing of aging sick man trying to recapture his youth with a teenager. She was a cute little thing and very sexy, but with zero intellectual ability, which was good, because Henry was all through with strong women with minds of their own. Jane was a very strong woman but with the smarts to keep her mind to herself. The 1st Katherine, of Aragon, always thought Henry wd come back to her, in a way he did, Jane was just like her, pious, dignified
littleniyah 3 months ago
A couple of things I did not like about this episode, is how Henry wanted someone eles to read the letter, can he not read himself? 2 is that, How he was so quick to get over Kathrine!!! 3 how kathrine really thought that she was inoccent and how she only thought about herself, 4 how she made a speach just like Anne did, but the good thing about this is is that she said she loved Clupeper!! and not the King! very good video thansk for posting!!.
Hattaru 1 year ago 3
@Hattaru after re-watching the KH episodes, I personally felt that the writers should have included Archbishop Cranmer & the Duke of Norfolk as historically recorded. It was Cranmer who sent Henry VIII the letter. It was the Duke of Norfolk who introduced KH to Henry not the Seymors & Charles Brandon. They seriously threw out the history books and slot in the folklore version of KH's last speech
JuzTudor70AD 1 year ago 7
@JuzTudor70AD Of course, but this is after all a TV show and a lote of things are put in the tudors episodes are fake just to make it entertaining because we all know that Henry the 8th did not look like that and his wifes were not that beautiful, but this is a TVshow so of course they are going to make a lote of things made up!.
Hattaru 1 year ago
@JuzTudor70AD
You know what the worst part about them not having Norfolk? While Anne Boleyn was around, her father had filled in nearly the exact same role as the historical Norfolk.
ZeroMyHero99 1 year ago
@JuzTudor70AD I agree, but that is why it is called entertainment and not historic that is why I don't really like the Tudor show because its mostly about entertainment and the facts are just thrown out there.
Hattaru 1 year ago
@Hattaru but unlike anne, katherine really did sleep with all the guys.
gemgen101 1 year ago
@gemgen101 Oh course she did LOL.
Hattaru 1 year ago
@Hattaru I think Henry wanted some one else to read the letter, not because he himself couldn't but because he had read it but wanted the other man to read it so Henry could question him about f