kinda funny he shoots quite well but doesn't know how the selector is supposed to be operated. Down with your thumb on one side and up with your index finger on the other side (textbook) or as I used to do on the g 36 (has quite a similar pistol grip and trigger) just with the thumb. But you don't take your other hand!
@lithjimmy on a transferable pre 86 your looking at $20000 as most mp4s are 9mm and with a SOT its the factory price + shipping and customs ect so much cheaper, now the good thing with a sot is you can buy pre 86 dealer samples which you can keep (unlike weapons on your SOT aka demo weapons) which have to be surrendered
This is the 10mm version MP/5. Only the 10mm version had straight magazines with no curvature. The 9mm and 40 cal variants have a curvature (banana) style magazine.
why do people always talk about if something is worth this and worth that, or the ammo is too expensive..? i mean... you don't hear people say... well that lamborghini is nice but it's a little too expensive and uses too much fuel, nah i will stick with my caravan. some people pay tens of thousands of dollars for guns they want, not because they need it, but most importantly, because they can afford it.
How do u know this is the 10mm version. Looks just like the 40sw version to me. I know this isn't your video, because I've seen the original. It's a clip from a hk promo video
@zooders Sure, an AKS-74u might be nice. But back to the original question, the 10x25mm is more controllable than a 7.62x39mm Krinkov, with respectable stopping power and range in an urban warfare environment. It doesn't have the armour-penetration capability of the 7.62x39mm round, but this doesn't really matter when using it against its intended targets (unarmoured insurgents or criminals). The 10mm round also has more reliable stopping power than 5.56mm NATO or PDW rounds.
@zooders The high price of 10mm ammo right now is due to a lack of the round's popularity. If more people knew about its potential (especially in an SMG or carbine platform) demand would rise, and so would the manufacturers offering it at competitive prices.
@MaxAC40 well i have a few of both and ill tell you, that 5.45 is amazing at anything to id say 200 yards, and ammo is actually really easy to come by depending on the state your in, i know here in utah i get around 1500 rounds for 289 to 329 bucks...and ive got a whole bunch that id be willing to sell if you want...send me a messege to get a list of what ive got
Can these things take all 10mm loads reliably, including the full-power hunting rounds? I know there's a high-impulse locking piece that can be installed.
I wish they would make one in FN 5.7mm. I'd like to see how it handles in close quarters with the MP5K series. As an added bonus, the 5.7 probably recoils significantly less than the 9mm.
@StarscreamLord If you define an SMG as a select-fire gun that shoots rounds originally meant for pistols, then yes, the MP5/10 is the strongest SMG around.
That is, unless they've already made a mass-production SMG that chambers in a bigger caliber (like .44 Magnum) already . . .
@HECKproductions you've never heard of 10mm? damn its the most powerful, well not "the most" but still, you can find it in some glocks and others, but very uncommon and very powerful
Its the most powerful cartridge you'll get in any kind of practical pistol. When you consider what's more powerful out there - .44 Mag, .50AE, .475 Wildey, .500 S&W Mag, they only come in massive automatics and revolvers that are just too heavy/low capacity/unreliable( in the case of the Desert Eagle)/etc to be practical sidearms for your tactical user.
@10mmTroy yeah, i thought it was an awesome round when firing it out of a glock(dont remember which model) but it was awesome and strong! wish i owned one....
Glock 20 is the fullsize 10mm and Glock 29 is the subcompact, so apply that information to what you remember and that's what you fired.
And yes, it is quite strong, especially with full power ammunition. More over, it has very manageable recoil, rapid fire is no problem. I'm hoping my company commander will have a chill policy towards sidearms, I'd like to take my Glock downrange with me instead of that shitty M9.
@10mmTroy then you are not forces, you are a cadet :) this place is full of cadets thinking they are in the army: Army Cadets: A youth Organisation with a Military ETHOS however is not part of the armed forces. Know your place young grasshopper
Yeah, I'm not from the United Kingdom, I'm from The United States. Here, Cadets are under TRADOC (Training and Doctrine Command) and Cadet Command. Cadets contract with the Army and typically within their first year are required to put in for their Secret level Clearance. Its not an operational unit, its a training unit. I wouldn't tell someone at airborne school they're not in the Army because they're at a training unit. Go educate yourself young grasshopper.
@10mmTroy yeah your still a CADET: not a combat or rear echelon, not soldiers but cadets. Airborne school is different as its training to be soldiers...not cadets.
@MrKawiman94 nice, i myself am going to be going in to the marines once out of college and try to become a scout sniper.... stereotypical but hey i love shooting at far ranges and am quite good at it... but good luck!
The 10mm isnt too powerful for self-defense. Using it hunting with 180gr hollowpoints was perfect. Didnt overpenetrate but puts a wallop on the target. With this round in my Glock I can shoot accurately out to 80-90m with every shot. Try that with a .40 or .45.
There's no such thing as a too-powerful-pistol, period. Pistols are ballistically deficient, even a big powerful round like 10mm auto doesn't have shit on the energy of even a modestly powerful rifle. Go all the way.
Unfortunately, 10m auto is as big as it gets without getting into the exotic weapons that aren't practical, so like you I have a Glock 20.
If there were a weapon out there that was Automatic, chambered .454 casull and chambered >10 rounds I'd snatch it up.
never mind. the MP5/10 was released in 1991 after the 1986 full auto ban. there just for law enforcement here in the us :( . Unless someone modified a 9mm version but thats not likely with the length of 10mm
It would probably be possible to make a one off 9mm>10mm converted MP5 with extensive modification, but if you've got the money for a transferable MP5 in the first place that probably wouldn't deter you.
I highly doubt that the 10mm is a ideal self defense round because it is overpowered for most self defense application. It is a perfect self defense round for hiking in the wood or trail but for indoor and around civilization, I think I'll stick with .45 ACP or .40 S&W.
There's no such thing as an overpowered pistol round and this statement alone demonstrates your inexperience and lack of knowledge regarding this topic.
Considering a S&W 500 is only about as powerful a .308 in terms of energy, I'd probably have to say yes.
Its not my fault you have not shot jack shit be it human or animal with varying calibers in order to determine that you can never go wrong with more. Shot placement is always key, but shit happens, more energy on target never hurt anyone except the guy on the other side.
@10mmTroy Yes, and if someone is using an MP5, chances are the "guy on the other side" is a civilian. Sure there's JHP's but with 10mm even those have a chance of over-penetrating.
@10mmTroy I'm talking about over-penetration. Collateral damage doesn't make the police/military/protection agency look good. What if it's a hostage situation? Not everyone in the line of fire needs to get shot.
Not that 10mm is a bad round, in the right situations. Would make a great PDW cartridge. If only it was more commonly available.
10mm auto, fantastic round, better power than the .40 S&W without any real sacrifice in magazine capacity and improved accuracy over the .45, what's not to love.
@msalak87 That's what they want us to think. But yes it is just a fictional story. There may be a group like but I doubt it's called Rainbow, or at least not anymore.
Seal Team Six (Which is now known as "DevGroup") does not quite compare to Rainbow, simply because they aren't the same breed, Rainbow was a multi-national special forces unit tasked with response to terrorist incidents
i have a hk mp5 with 2 30rnd mags. it has semi and 3rnd burst and is 10mm also. mine has the 16 1/4" barrel so its not a pistol, some states do not like the 8 " barrel it comes with. it is for sale. $4500, and is in like new condition. if you choose to make it a pistol again it can be done but at your discretion for it may not be legal in your area
Um, no it isn't. The .40 took its place because the 10mm was apparently too manly for the FBI. 10mm even blows .45acp out of the water. It is simply the best overall pistol cartridge.
The FBI adopted the .40 S&W because they figured they didn't need a catridge that big to stop a man and that the 40S&W did the job. It is obsolete the 10mm because they hardly make any guns for it anymore and the ammo is difficult to find.
Ammo in 10mm is readily available in full power loads and in any amount you need from "DoubleTap." The remaining 10mm ammo being produced on the market is low power. It is true, the 10mm eclipses the .45 in energy, velocity, penetration and stopping power. Glock makes four versions of 10mm: The 20, 20sf, 29 and 29sf. The FBI felt the 10mm full power was too difficult to handle with small agents (women), and adopted the .40 for universal use.
I never see it in gunshops and it's expensive, so no its not "readily available" as you say, most people who own 10mm guns reload for them. There's no need for a 10mm really, a .45 ACP,40 S&W, or 9mm +p will get the job done.
@MurderSoul216 FBI HRT still uses the MP5/10, but for a sidearm they switched over either to Les Baer or Para customized 1911. Standard field agent sidearm is the Glock 22 in .40 S&W
@MurderSoul216 , 10mm is a great cartridge, I have one , but it is too much recoil for many smaller statured people. That is why FB1 adopted the .40 ( and S&W made it)
@ratslayerdj they ment "women"..I was around during that time in the 1980s..small stature doesnt mean shit..Im 5'6" and I can shoot the hell out of a Colt Delta...fuck that, I can shoot the hell out of a 545 Casull Magnum for that matter.
Let's not get too carried away here. Nothing is "the best" cartridge. Different rounds have different niches. Don't get me wrong, I'm as much of a fan of the 10mm Auto as the next guy, and it happens to be an extremely versatile caliber. But to say it's the end-all best is just silly.
@MurderSoul216 auto pistol in alot of ways yes, there are some that beat the shit out of it, such as the 45 win mag, the 440 corbon and the 44mag...but yeah i have a couple tens and they kickass
I put "proven wrong" in quotation marks because of how the cartridge had all the right stuff but didn't make it because of the bad reputation it got from those who didn't take the time to learn to handle its recoil, and those who tried putting it in guns not rated for its awesomeness.
Not many people would pay good money for this rare round to try it out for themselves too.
Me, I'm hoping it gets the recognition and widespread adoption it deserves. This SMG could be great for urban combat.
Yes, I know about Glock 20s, 20Cs, and 29s. Unfortunately there are too few of us who do, otherwise the 10mm auto would be adopted by many more people and police/military units than it is now.
10mm auto recoil is a myth, even with heavy fast loads (recoil is a function of momentum - not energy - so these would have the most felt recoil) I can dump the whole magazine as fast as I can pull the trigger and put them all within a torso at 15m.
@10mmTroy It may be a myth to you, but sadly many people still believe 10x25mm has "uncontrollable recoil." Wouldn't it be nice if Glock 20s or the sort replaced M9s all around?
Come to think of it, would the MP5/10 compare favourably with an M4A1 Carbine for CQB and Urban Ops? The 5.56mm round has always had iffy stopping power in FMJ in short-barrelled carbines. The 10x25mm round could solve that problem, if the availability issues could be resolved (and they can be).
@Mazryonh It's mostly a convenience thing. That way they don't have to supply different weapons, different magazines, different ammo. All you need to do is slap on a short-barrelled upper receiver and you're G2G. I still wanna see the Super-V gain more widespread use, but it doesn't seem like anyone wants to adopt it.
Ah, the MP5 10mm variant. Much better muzzle energy and range than the 9mm version.
Is that a 2-round burst in the first segment? Most MP5s for 9mm have a 3-round burst function. Is the 2-round burst to compensate for the 10 mm auto caliber's higher recoil?
The second weapon was out of tune. probably a professional piece and the roller blocks can become worn after about 2000 rounds and need to be replaced with new ones that are over sized by .002". Probably from a small agency without an armorer.... My guess
That last segment, were those bursts in automatic mode? I didn't see the operator pulling the trigger over and over, but it definitely sounded like bursts, and the recoil showed burst.
kinda funny he shoots quite well but doesn't know how the selector is supposed to be operated. Down with your thumb on one side and up with your index finger on the other side (textbook) or as I used to do on the g 36 (has quite a similar pistol grip and trigger) just with the thumb. But you don't take your other hand!
ANYONE3041937kyc 1 week ago
@ColtDeltaElite10mm 10 and 40 share same magazines.
Getthefuckoffmylawn 3 weeks ago
RAINBOW member at 0:20
A1PhAT3AM 1 month ago
class 3 papers aside, what would be the pricetag on one of these?
lithjimmy 2 months ago
@lithjimmy on a transferable pre 86 your looking at $20000 as most mp4s are 9mm and with a SOT its the factory price + shipping and customs ect so much cheaper, now the good thing with a sot is you can buy pre 86 dealer samples which you can keep (unlike weapons on your SOT aka demo weapons) which have to be surrendered
TheAlexagius 2 weeks ago
This is the 10mm version MP/5. Only the 10mm version had straight magazines with no curvature. The 9mm and 40 cal variants have a curvature (banana) style magazine.
ColtDeltaElite10mm 6 months ago
@ColtDeltaElite10mm I have a .40cal and it uses straight mags. The 10mm is the same diameter only longer case.
ronniehilburn 4 months ago
10mm is best.
MrGeremyTibbles 6 months ago 5
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ChadIsMeOthersAint 7 months ago
2 all u pussy ass dogs spray pray
ChadIsMeOthersAint 7 months ago
why do people always talk about if something is worth this and worth that, or the ammo is too expensive..? i mean... you don't hear people say... well that lamborghini is nice but it's a little too expensive and uses too much fuel, nah i will stick with my caravan. some people pay tens of thousands of dollars for guns they want, not because they need it, but most importantly, because they can afford it.
aaron4820 7 months ago
How do u know this is the 10mm version. Looks just like the 40sw version to me. I know this isn't your video, because I've seen the original. It's a clip from a hk promo video
adriandagangster 7 months ago
this Marine just came
poulinalexander 9 months ago
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well, pimps and hoes aside, does anyone want or have the cash to own one?
i just moved out of state and mine is up for sale. the state i just moved to is not 2 shot compliant so the first bidder with cash will take the pot
irishcatholicrebel 9 months ago
well, pimps and hoes aside, does anyone want or have the cash to own one?
i just moved out of state and mine is up for sale. the state i just moved to is not 2 shot compliant so the first bidder with cash will take the pot
irishcatholicrebel 9 months ago
Fallout?
chitoryu12 9 months ago
7.62x39 vs 10mm?
How do the two compare at close quarters?
For example, an Mp5-10 vs any x39 'krink'
MaxAC40 11 months ago
@MaxAC40 id take a 5.45 over a 10...in a sub gun platform
zooders 11 months ago
@zooders Sure, an AKS-74u might be nice. But back to the original question, the 10x25mm is more controllable than a 7.62x39mm Krinkov, with respectable stopping power and range in an urban warfare environment. It doesn't have the armour-penetration capability of the 7.62x39mm round, but this doesn't really matter when using it against its intended targets (unarmoured insurgents or criminals). The 10mm round also has more reliable stopping power than 5.56mm NATO or PDW rounds.
Mazryonh 11 months ago
@Mazryonh true it does have alot of power...but overall price is alot higher per round than any x39 on the market
zooders 11 months ago
@zooders The high price of 10mm ammo right now is due to a lack of the round's popularity. If more people knew about its potential (especially in an SMG or carbine platform) demand would rise, and so would the manufacturers offering it at competitive prices.
Mazryonh 11 months ago
@zooders that's what I figured, any rifle/any pistol
I might buy a x39 'krink' like a bulgarian or yugo because the x39 doesn't lose velocity as quickly when you shorten the barrel.
I know the 5.45 isn't as dependent on velocity as the 5.56 is, but I don't know how much velocity loss hinders it overall.
I just know the x39 retains more of its performance out of a short barrel... and ammo is more available =P
MaxAC40 11 months ago
@MaxAC40 well i have a few of both and ill tell you, that 5.45 is amazing at anything to id say 200 yards, and ammo is actually really easy to come by depending on the state your in, i know here in utah i get around 1500 rounds for 289 to 329 bucks...and ive got a whole bunch that id be willing to sell if you want...send me a messege to get a list of what ive got
zooders 11 months ago
Can these things take all 10mm loads reliably, including the full-power hunting rounds? I know there's a high-impulse locking piece that can be installed.
JasonRedfield 1 year ago
I wish they would make one in FN 5.7mm. I'd like to see how it handles in close quarters with the MP5K series. As an added bonus, the 5.7 probably recoils significantly less than the 9mm.
starlionblue 1 year ago
@starlionblue There is already an AR-15-type firearm called the "AR-57" that takes 5.7x28mm rounds. They can feed FN P90 magazines too.
To my knowledge the MP5K series was never chambered in 10mm auto.
Mazryonh 1 year ago
@Mazryonh you are correct with the mp5k comment, although i know they produced a PDW version
zooders 11 months ago
@zooders Really? Is there a vid here of an MP5K-PDW using the 10x25mm round? I'd like to see it.
Mazryonh 11 months ago
MP5 in 10mm would reduce a brown bear to Swiss cheese in seconds
espinozafn 1 year ago
10x25mm is a pretty formidable size, and ballistic-wise its got alot of power, but sometimes there's such a thing as "balanced firepower"
O15Omnicron 1 year ago
10mm fired in full auto, the deadliest sumbitch this side of a rifle cartridge. Long Live 10mm Auto!
mongoosedawg 1 year ago
The guy at :20 controlled the recoil like pimp who can handle his hoe's
kingd3001 1 year ago 30
@kingd3001 Anyone can handle an mp5 at fully auto setting.
morganfinley3 1 year ago
The guy in this video couldn't possibly be more of a scrub with his shooting stance and using his other hand to work the thumb safety.
10mmTroy 1 year ago
Mission Failed: Your team has been wiped out.
FlairX3 1 year ago
what brand magazine is that ,looks like it is after market
1postalpredator 1 year ago
in india i shoot my neighbours goat and hide the body at my other neighbours house
TheDioshina 1 year ago
Is this the strongest SMG around?
StarscreamLord 1 year ago
@StarscreamLord If you define an SMG as a select-fire gun that shoots rounds originally meant for pistols, then yes, the MP5/10 is the strongest SMG around.
That is, unless they've already made a mass-production SMG that chambers in a bigger caliber (like .44 Magnum) already . . .
Mazryonh 1 year ago
the mag looks shitty and cal. 10 i never heard of that... id prefer the normal one with 9x19mm
HECKproductions 1 year ago
@HECKproductions you've never heard of 10mm? damn its the most powerful, well not "the most" but still, you can find it in some glocks and others, but very uncommon and very powerful
MrKawiman94 1 year ago
@MrKawiman94
Its the most powerful cartridge you'll get in any kind of practical pistol. When you consider what's more powerful out there - .44 Mag, .50AE, .475 Wildey, .500 S&W Mag, they only come in massive automatics and revolvers that are just too heavy/low capacity/unreliable( in the case of the Desert Eagle)/etc to be practical sidearms for your tactical user.
10mmTroy 1 year ago
@10mmTroy yeah, i thought it was an awesome round when firing it out of a glock(dont remember which model) but it was awesome and strong! wish i owned one....
MrKawiman94 1 year ago
@MrKawiman94
Glock 20 is the fullsize 10mm and Glock 29 is the subcompact, so apply that information to what you remember and that's what you fired.
And yes, it is quite strong, especially with full power ammunition. More over, it has very manageable recoil, rapid fire is no problem. I'm hoping my company commander will have a chill policy towards sidearms, I'd like to take my Glock downrange with me instead of that shitty M9.
10mmTroy 1 year ago
@10mmTroy my memory of which model isnt great, fired to many to say... but your in the forces? which branch? and as what
MrKawiman94 1 year ago
@MrKawiman94
Army, 3rd year Cadet. Looking for Armor, Field Artillery or Infantry until I can go to Q course at captain.
10mmTroy 1 year ago
@10mmTroy then you are not forces, you are a cadet :) this place is full of cadets thinking they are in the army: Army Cadets: A youth Organisation with a Military ETHOS however is not part of the armed forces. Know your place young grasshopper
InfantryChans91 1 year ago
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10mmTroy 1 year ago
@InfantryChans91
Yeah, I'm not from the United Kingdom, I'm from The United States. Here, Cadets are under TRADOC (Training and Doctrine Command) and Cadet Command. Cadets contract with the Army and typically within their first year are required to put in for their Secret level Clearance. Its not an operational unit, its a training unit. I wouldn't tell someone at airborne school they're not in the Army because they're at a training unit. Go educate yourself young grasshopper.
10mmTroy 1 year ago
@10mmTroy yeah your still a CADET: not a combat or rear echelon, not soldiers but cadets. Airborne school is different as its training to be soldiers...not cadets.
Cadet is not a soldier: end of
InfantryChans91 1 year ago
@InfantryChans91
Wow, you are pretty dumb aren't you? Cadet is a rank in the US military for an officer trainee. Buzz off dumbass Brit.
10mmTroy 1 year ago
@MrKawiman94 nice, i myself am going to be going in to the marines once out of college and try to become a scout sniper.... stereotypical but hey i love shooting at far ranges and am quite good at it... but good luck!
MrKawiman94 1 year ago
@10mmTroy
Put the video game down.
m1accorder 1 year ago
@m1accorder
I own the 10mm in question irl so shove your snide comments up your ass.
10mmTroy 1 year ago
@HECKproductions
It is twice as powerful as 9mm NATO, you haven't heard of it because it is a man's caliber.
10mmTroy 1 year ago
The 10mm isnt too powerful for self-defense. Using it hunting with 180gr hollowpoints was perfect. Didnt overpenetrate but puts a wallop on the target. With this round in my Glock I can shoot accurately out to 80-90m with every shot. Try that with a .40 or .45.
PJYost38 1 year ago
@PJYost38
There's no such thing as a too-powerful-pistol, period. Pistols are ballistically deficient, even a big powerful round like 10mm auto doesn't have shit on the energy of even a modestly powerful rifle. Go all the way.
Unfortunately, 10m auto is as big as it gets without getting into the exotic weapons that aren't practical, so like you I have a Glock 20.
If there were a weapon out there that was Automatic, chambered .454 casull and chambered >10 rounds I'd snatch it up.
10mmTroy 1 year ago
It's should not surge like that.
captainpegs07 1 year ago
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tcbat711 1 year ago
Can you buy the MP5/10 or was it made exclusively for the FBI
princepersia1 1 year ago
yeah if you have 20 grand and your not a felon
tcbat711 1 year ago
From where?
princepersia1 1 year ago
never mind. the MP5/10 was released in 1991 after the 1986 full auto ban. there just for law enforcement here in the us :( . Unless someone modified a 9mm version but thats not likely with the length of 10mm
tcbat711 1 year ago
@tcbat711
It would probably be possible to make a one off 9mm>10mm converted MP5 with extensive modification, but if you've got the money for a transferable MP5 in the first place that probably wouldn't deter you.
10mmTroy 1 year ago
I highly doubt that the 10mm is a ideal self defense round because it is overpowered for most self defense application. It is a perfect self defense round for hiking in the wood or trail but for indoor and around civilization, I think I'll stick with .45 ACP or .40 S&W.
m1accorder 2 years ago
@m1accorder
There's no such thing as an overpowered pistol round and this statement alone demonstrates your inexperience and lack of knowledge regarding this topic.
10mmTroy 1 year ago
@10mmTroy
I guess you think it's perfectly fine to use S&W 500 magnum for home defense as well. Do you even own a gun or just spout your video game jargon here?
m1accorder 1 year ago
@m1accorder
Considering a S&W 500 is only about as powerful a .308 in terms of energy, I'd probably have to say yes.
Its not my fault you have not shot jack shit be it human or animal with varying calibers in order to determine that you can never go wrong with more. Shot placement is always key, but shit happens, more energy on target never hurt anyone except the guy on the other side.
10mmTroy 1 year ago
@10mmTroy Yes, and if someone is using an MP5, chances are the "guy on the other side" is a civilian. Sure there's JHP's but with 10mm even those have a chance of over-penetrating.
Otacon237 1 year ago
@Otacon237
If there's a reason they're being shot I don't really care if they're a "civilian".
10mmTroy 1 year ago
@10mmTroy I'm talking about over-penetration. Collateral damage doesn't make the police/military/protection agency look good. What if it's a hostage situation? Not everyone in the line of fire needs to get shot.
Not that 10mm is a bad round, in the right situations. Would make a great PDW cartridge. If only it was more commonly available.
Otacon237 1 year ago
10mm auto, fantastic round, better power than the .40 S&W without any real sacrifice in magazine capacity and improved accuracy over the .45, what's not to love.
PokemonHaloFan 2 years ago 3
this was the standard weapon for RAINBOW. i know, ive read the book.
kingster20 2 years ago 32
@kingster20 isn't RAINBOW a made up organization?
msalak87 1 year ago
@msalak87 yeah, i know. but, if there was such a unit, that would have been a good choice of weapon.
kingster20 1 year ago
@msalak87 That's what they want us to think. But yes it is just a fictional story. There may be a group like but I doubt it's called Rainbow, or at least not anymore.
Kevintine 1 year ago
@Kevintine They are called Seal Team Six. I think the rainbow part was for Tom Clancy's book.
InfantryMorgue86 1 year ago
@InfantryMorgue86
Seal Team Six (Which is now known as "DevGroup") does not quite compare to Rainbow, simply because they aren't the same breed, Rainbow was a multi-national special forces unit tasked with response to terrorist incidents
Kevintine 1 year ago
@Kevintine You sure? :) You probably know more about it than I do....Thanks for the info.
InfantryMorgue86 1 year ago
@kingster20 It's pretty good in Vegas, but I like the mp7 a bit more....more ammo capacity.
cosmosvision 1 year ago
@kingster20 ...? Leprachauns are issued this weapon? They must have alot of gold to protect =)!
FreemanLambda 1 year ago
@kingster20 Reading it now. That's what brought it to me attention:)
benner2000 8 months ago
@kingster20 are you sure it was the 10mm and not the 9mm
vampov 5 months ago
@vampov Yes, 10mm and suppressed.
kingster20 5 months ago
i have a hk mp5 with 2 30rnd mags. it has semi and 3rnd burst and is 10mm also. mine has the 16 1/4" barrel so its not a pistol, some states do not like the 8 " barrel it comes with. it is for sale. $4500, and is in like new condition. if you choose to make it a pistol again it can be done but at your discretion for it may not be legal in your area
irishcatholicrebel 2 years ago
@irishcatholicrebel
yeah bullshit. HK MP5 10mm are only post samples. A 3rnd burst technically makes it a machine gun and there is no MP5 machine gun thats $4500.
getowned79 2 years ago
Agreed. Life sucks doesnt it? Its almost impossible to find one under 15k.
phitau09 2 years ago
10mm rules...the perfect self defence round
dpapaioannow 2 years ago
but since you are under age to buy any type of gun everything appears to be not readily available
hardman476 2 years ago
I wish they still made this, and other 10mm guns.
MurderSoul216 2 years ago
10mm is obsolete, .40S&W took its place.
esh325 2 years ago
Um, no it isn't. The .40 took its place because the 10mm was apparently too manly for the FBI. 10mm even blows .45acp out of the water. It is simply the best overall pistol cartridge.
MurderSoul216 2 years ago 9
The FBI adopted the .40 S&W because they figured they didn't need a catridge that big to stop a man and that the 40S&W did the job. It is obsolete the 10mm because they hardly make any guns for it anymore and the ammo is difficult to find.
esh325 2 years ago
The .40 and the 10mm are the same bullet. .40S&w is 10x22mm and the 10mm auto is 10x25mm. The .40 is just a weaker version of the 10mm auto.
MurderSoul216 2 years ago
Yes they have same parent case but that dosen't mean they are the same.
esh325 2 years ago
Aside from the minimal difference in case length and loading, they are the same.
MurderSoul216 2 years ago
You can't interchange them though.
esh325 2 years ago
I know...
MurderSoul216 2 years ago
Ammo in 10mm is readily available in full power loads and in any amount you need from "DoubleTap." The remaining 10mm ammo being produced on the market is low power. It is true, the 10mm eclipses the .45 in energy, velocity, penetration and stopping power. Glock makes four versions of 10mm: The 20, 20sf, 29 and 29sf. The FBI felt the 10mm full power was too difficult to handle with small agents (women), and adopted the .40 for universal use.
2rescue4 2 years ago
I never see it in gunshops and it's expensive, so no its not "readily available" as you say, most people who own 10mm guns reload for them. There's no need for a 10mm really, a .45 ACP,40 S&W, or 9mm +p will get the job done.
esh325 2 years ago
@MurderSoul216 FBI HRT still uses the MP5/10, but for a sidearm they switched over either to Les Baer or Para customized 1911. Standard field agent sidearm is the Glock 22 in .40 S&W
Kevintine 1 year ago
@MurderSoul216 , 10mm is a great cartridge, I have one , but it is too much recoil for many smaller statured people. That is why FB1 adopted the .40 ( and S&W made it)
ratslayerdj 1 year ago
@ratslayerdj they ment "women"..I was around during that time in the 1980s..small stature doesnt mean shit..Im 5'6" and I can shoot the hell out of a Colt Delta...fuck that, I can shoot the hell out of a 545 Casull Magnum for that matter.
Gloomshadow1 1 year ago
@Gloomshadow1 There is no such thing as a 545 Casull magnum, stick to cooking cleaning and giving child birth
rrrrrrkevin 1 year ago
@rrrrrrkevin it was a typing error , cock-wipe..now go back to licking your moms pussy for a living you faggot.
Gloomshadow1 1 year ago
@Gloomshadow1 Yah ok you would say that, you probably just googled it and saw that you have no clue what your talking about?
Nice cover story tho, Go back to school kid.
rrrrrrkevin 1 year ago
@rrrrrrkevin Necessary? Is it really that hard to believe someone who meant to type 454 could accidentally type 545?
zachj589 1 year ago
@MurderSoul216
Let's not get too carried away here. Nothing is "the best" cartridge. Different rounds have different niches. Don't get me wrong, I'm as much of a fan of the 10mm Auto as the next guy, and it happens to be an extremely versatile caliber. But to say it's the end-all best is just silly.
JasonRedfield 1 year ago
@MurderSoul216
no because the .40cal magazines are easier to hide!!! what the hell does that have to do with being a man???
lighter cartridge more ammo can be carried.
USE YOUR HEAD KID
4everUSNavy 1 year ago
@MurderSoul216 you moron. the 10mm is too heavy for the operator to carry a substantial amount of ammunition.
MilHistGeek2013 11 months ago
@MilHistGeek2013 right... are you serious? they weigh about the same as a 40....so no, they aren't heavy to carry
zooders 11 months ago
@MurderSoul216 auto pistol in alot of ways yes, there are some that beat the shit out of it, such as the 45 win mag, the 440 corbon and the 44mag...but yeah i have a couple tens and they kickass
zooders 11 months ago
10mm is making a comeback.
TAXtheAtheist 2 years ago 2
how so?
esh325 2 years ago
slowly, not fast, but people seem to want them.
TAXtheAtheist 2 years ago
Really? The big new thing on the pistol block seems to be 5.7 mm this or 5.7 mm that. 10x25mm's kinda old and "proven wrong."
Mazryonh 2 years ago
proven wrong? how so?
TAXtheAtheist 2 years ago
I put "proven wrong" in quotation marks because of how the cartridge had all the right stuff but didn't make it because of the bad reputation it got from those who didn't take the time to learn to handle its recoil, and those who tried putting it in guns not rated for its awesomeness.
Not many people would pay good money for this rare round to try it out for themselves too.
Me, I'm hoping it gets the recognition and widespread adoption it deserves. This SMG could be great for urban combat.
Mazryonh 2 years ago 2
Glock G-20?
TAXtheAtheist 2 years ago
No, I don't own one. Is that what you're asking?
Mazryonh 2 years ago
yes, or do you know anything about them? I know Glocks are very nice in general.
TAXtheAtheist 2 years ago
Yes, I know about Glock 20s, 20Cs, and 29s. Unfortunately there are too few of us who do, otherwise the 10mm auto would be adopted by many more people and police/military units than it is now.
Mazryonh 2 years ago
@Mazryonh
10mm auto recoil is a myth, even with heavy fast loads (recoil is a function of momentum - not energy - so these would have the most felt recoil) I can dump the whole magazine as fast as I can pull the trigger and put them all within a torso at 15m.
10mmTroy 1 year ago
@10mmTroy It may be a myth to you, but sadly many people still believe 10x25mm has "uncontrollable recoil." Wouldn't it be nice if Glock 20s or the sort replaced M9s all around?
Come to think of it, would the MP5/10 compare favourably with an M4A1 Carbine for CQB and Urban Ops? The 5.56mm round has always had iffy stopping power in FMJ in short-barrelled carbines. The 10x25mm round could solve that problem, if the availability issues could be resolved (and they can be).
Mazryonh 1 year ago
@Mazryonh It's mostly a convenience thing. That way they don't have to supply different weapons, different magazines, different ammo. All you need to do is slap on a short-barrelled upper receiver and you're G2G. I still wanna see the Super-V gain more widespread use, but it doesn't seem like anyone wants to adopt it.
Otacon237 1 year ago
What's the recoil like on that thing?
wilb6657 2 years ago
Thats the shit! :)
XR6Charged 2 years ago
Considering the reputation the 10mm has for recoil, with the MP5/10 it was rather minimal, much better than the 9mm.
PokemonHaloFan 2 years ago
10 mm = .45 caliber right?
TeamSTALKERS 2 years ago
no 10mm = .40!
kindin10 2 years ago
America dont speak Metric...
lol thx
TeamSTALKERS 2 years ago
Ah, the MP5 10mm variant. Much better muzzle energy and range than the 9mm version.
Is that a 2-round burst in the first segment? Most MP5s for 9mm have a 3-round burst function. Is the 2-round burst to compensate for the 10 mm auto caliber's higher recoil?
Mazryonh 2 years ago
9 мм пистолет-пулемёт не пробьёт бронежилет 100 % Но 9 мм отлично подходит для помещений.
anomalik13 3 years ago
The second weapon was out of tune. probably a professional piece and the roller blocks can become worn after about 2000 rounds and need to be replaced with new ones that are over sized by .002". Probably from a small agency without an armorer.... My guess
Renner95634 3 years ago
That last segment, were those bursts in automatic mode? I didn't see the operator pulling the trigger over and over, but it definitely sounded like bursts, and the recoil showed burst.
charlesaferg 3 years ago
I think the amount of blow back pressure had alot to do with it
unvun 3 years ago