We care because God says what is best for us, and we don't want to be disobedient and die. Your liberal worldly views sicken those of us who have been there and done that with the liberal worldly view points and who have been delivered. You ask why I would care? I care because I am commanded to love all people. I care because God cares. I care because I am called to make a difference where I live, and as a Christian I am to let my light shine no matter what man thinks. God cares so I care.
First of all: I'm not American, but it's still nice to hear that another state embraces reason and compassion. That's 7 down, 43 to go - right? :-D
As for cigarettes... well, that's a very interesting topic. I believe the government (here in Europe, too) cracks down so hard on tobacco is because smokers are a group of "easy" health pariahs, if you know what I mean. Legalizing against cheeseburgers isn't that easy, after all.
Finnish govermant will order not to show any brands in cigarette box. just white paper and warnings. Cigarettes will be out side of customers eyes and buyers have to ask them separately from sellers. this is not a joke! :)
I heard Chris several times, say, "can't believe we have to vote on this", "it should be one of those things that we take for granted".
Your whole argument is based on something Chris didn't say. Human beings do work that way, it's the social confines of which we live in (democracy, which you pointed out), that we are making decisions in an unnatural way, decisions that shouldn't even be under question<--that was the point, to disagree with the status quo.
Cris, your asking people to separate their opinions and beliefs from their actions. That's naive. Human beings don't work that way. If a person believes that homosexuality is an abomination, then in a democracy they are going to vote accordingly. Your argument is pretty much: "It's OK to believe whatever you want as long as you vote the way I want you to." Unfortunately, the path to a better world is through changing beliefs, not through disconnecting beliefs from behavior.
@bishop8000 - Valid point, and I understand that beliefs and actions go hand in hand. However, believing that homosexuality is wrong should have the effect of that person not marrying a person of the same sex. I don't understand how they feel justified in forcing others not to marry. Strangers marrying will not affect them in the least. There are no victims to save. Changing beliefs take time. Backward laws must change now.
@MusingsofCris All laws exist as a reflection of subjective beliefs and values. Heroine, murder, rape, child porn, many things are against the law because of collective moral objections to them. To a fundamentalist, homosexuality is just one more of those things. Obviously, I agree with you, I'm an atheist and a free thinker. But I think the argument you're making here falls flat, you're asking people to disconnect their beliefs from their vote, but the real driver is the beliefs themselves.
@bishop8000 - All of the things you list could be harmful to a person and a society. People may not be able to disconnect their belief from their vote, but I am voicing an opinion that this is something that should not be open to a vote.
@MusingsofCris meant for for that sociopathic juvenile prick troll bishop8000, who apparently trolls other atheists to undermine the cause he ought to support, and acts like a fundamentalist lunatic who thinks he's awesome for making brain-dead insults to people, and he seems to seriously be a pretentious narcissist. I misread the comment, sorry.
@bishop8000 I don't believe in religion and don't think it's right whatsoever. But should people have the right to practice their religion? Absolutely!
@bishop8000 Talk sense into whom exactly? The gay community; there's never going to be more gay people than straight people; it won't ever happen. But imagine a world with less people; it would be fucking great!
@bishop8000 America isn't a democracy, its a republic what utilizes the democratic process to elect its officials and one of the core tenets of this republic is its constitution: a set of rights guaranteed to the public by its government that will not be infringed upon. Amendments have been made to it, and more need to be added. If you (not you specifically) don't like the idea of the government staying out of not only your but everyone else's private affairs then this country isn't for you.
@BoozyBeggar For one thing, the constitution is a law. And as I said, it's a reflection of subjective values, not a declaration that government has to stay out of everyone's private affairs. It puts limits on government, but at present it says nothing about homosexuality. Of course I'd love for the constitution to be expanded, but my real point is that making a disconnect between beliefs and actions (and laws are part of those actions) is unrealistic. The beliefs themselves are the issue.
@bishop8000 No...the path to a better world is to get people saved so they learn how to live by the Word of God. God's way is a better way. Man's wicked heart and wicked ways will always lead to distruction. Get saved and learn how to live a better way for the betterment of the world. However, we who understand the Word of God better than most realize that the world is doomed anyway.The real key is to die to the world and the world system and come to newness of life in Christ Jesus our Lord.
My favorit video about homosexual marriage is when a WW2 veteran do a speech about his gay son, saying he faught for his sons rights to be with the one he loved. That is one of the most beutiful things I ever heard been said.
The protests against gay marriage are never about the *sanctity of marriage*, because if the *sanctity of marriage* was that important, they'd be protesting against divorce.
@Haywerth I do protest against divorce. So much so that I went to court to stand up for the sanctify of marriage when my wife sued me for divorce. She won big, and I got beaten to a pulp financially and she got full custody of our children, but that was a decision of the court by a wicked judge who was forced by my wife to make a decision. The protest against gay marriage is always about the sanctity of marriage as far as I am concerned. Get is right.
@whatthingssoever "Get it right?" Are you high? You're just ONE PERSON protesting against divorce. Answer me this: How does gay marriage affect YOUR day-to-day life? (I'm amazed at how we straight people with our 50% divorce rates have the gall to want to preach about the sancitity of marriage.) Also, dude,I've been through a divorce myself. I know what it's like to get beaten up in court. But I kept fighting. As a result, I have full custody of my two kids. Stop belly-aching.
@Haywerth I'd hardly call it belly-aching to say that my wife got full custody of our children. She was the victor in court. And I am not the only Christian protesting divorce. There are many. God hates divorce, so I do too. He saved me to be one of His representatives so I have no choice if I want to represent Him well. Gay marriage effects my day-to-day life by bringing judgment on all of the land so that it is not yet healed. 2 Chron 7:14 type of thing. Beware of supporting gays.
OMG, you're such a whiner! My point is, so what?? Get off your knees and KEEP FIGHTING! You're putting SO much energy into harping about gay marriage when you should be putting that same energy into fighting for your children. You have misplaced priorities, sir. And I'm starting to see why you lost custody.
@Haywerth No. Those are simply facts. Our children are grown now. There is no need to fight over custody, and never was a need for that. I'm amazed at your clairvoyance and snap psychology lesson. And what was the part about my misplaced priorities? Are you saying that Christ and Him crucified should not be my priority? The fact is that gay marriage is not mentioned in the bible because it does not exist in the economy and kingdom of God. Gays invented it. Get saved and delivered.
@whatthingssoever "Our children are grown now" Then why bring them up in the first place? Yeesh.
Also, the *sanctity* of marriage applies to EVERYONE, not just gay people. That means YOU, sir, with your divorce, have played a MAJOR role in ruining marriage for EVERYONE. You couldn't maintain *sanctity* in your own marriage, but now you want to preach to everyone else.
@Haywerth Get saved man. People make mistakes, repent and are forgiven. I am a good example of what not to do in a lot of areas. A person does not have to be perfect to preach what is right and righteous. The Word of righteousness is available to all people. Jesus is the Way, the Truth and the Life. He has the Words of life. His goodness can lead you to repentance if you allow. You don't even have to clean your life up before you get saved. Jesus said you must be born again. Are you?
@whatthingssoever "People make mistakes, repent and are forgiven" Yea, how convenient, that religion thing. No morals, no ethics. Just "control-alt-delete" and start over. How about once you divorce, your right get married is forever revoked. Now THAT would be protecting the *sanctity* of marriage.
@Haywerth It's called mercy and grace. Get some. It will get you high, keep you high, and bring you joy unspeakable. Praise Him. Due to my willingness to remain faithful all during the divorce mess of my first marriage God rewarded me with a new wife. One who is loving, faithful, submissive and who loves the Lord also. God has been good to me.
Whatever. I'm sure you described your first wife the exact same way. So much for the "sanctity" of THAT marriage. And because this is your second, you have an even GREATER chance of divorcing. But it's ok because you have that right to marry again and again and again.* Gay people, however don't even have the right to do that. That's unfair. They should have the same right to marry and divorce, just like you.
@Haywerth So you see gay activity as legitamate. I guess you don't even see it as a sin. Do you realize that those who do such things are worthy of death; even those who have pleasure in them who do those things. That's God's Word on it. If God were not so serious about it I would probably think the way you do. But God controls the whole thing. Get saved man. Otherwise you and your gay friends are heading to a real bad judgment day.
@whatthingssoever So you see divorce activity as legitimate. I guess you don't even see it as a sin. Luke 16.18: "Anyone who divorces his wife and marries another commits adultery, and whoever marries a woman divorced from her husband commits adultery."
That's God's Word on it. If God were not so serious about divorce, I would probably think the way you do. But God controls the whole thing. Get saved man. Otherwise you and your divorced friends are heading to a real bad judgment day.
@Haywerth My wife, her attorney, the judge and all those who supported the sin of divorce were the sinners. Not me. I stood against divorce and for the sanctity of marriage; which is a holy institution and a sacrament. Divorce was forced upon me. You may say I was raped. It was against my will. So I was not the sinner. The sin of divorce was forced upon me. God released me to remarry. You need to study the matter before you condemn. Homosexuality is a sin that God judges/condemns.
"You may say I was raped. It was against my will." AGAIN with the whining. What is it with you? Are you in control of your life or not?
"The sin of divorce was forced upon me. " It doesn't matter. YOU made the choice to marry this person of your own FREE WILL. No one forced you. So YOU are just as responsible for divorce as she.
"Homosexuality is a sin that God judges/condemns." The god of that silly book of yours condemns many things, including divorce.
@Haywerth So what religion are you? Are you an atheist or of a universalist flavor? What religion, other than self-centered or atheism, teaches that homosexuality is other than a sin against God and their own bodies?What makes the Holy Scriptures a "silly book"? Your youth and immaturity is showing. What is the source, other than the devil, for what you believe? Who taught it to you? We all learn somewhere and from someone. Who is your teacher? Who do you follow? Or are you a god to urself?
@whatthingssoever "We all learn somewhere and from someone. Who is your teacher?" Honestly, religious people like you, who never seem to take responsiblity for anything. Everything in your life was "forced upon you" and "against your will." "You don't even have to clean your life up before you get saved" Why is that appealing to you? Because people like you NEED religion and washing away "sins" with a prayer. Stop trying to "get saved" and deal with the consequences of your actions.
@Haywerth So you refuse to admit that you learned all that you know from someone else. Surely you can think of someone who has contributed to your beliefs. What books do you read? Who raised you? Do you have a father? What did your mother teach you? Or are you trying to make me believe that you are the source of all of your knowledge? To what or whom do you attribute all of your vast wisdom?
@whatthingssoever I just told you: A lifetime of watching religous people like you taught me how NOT to live my life.
"We who are Christians can be forgiven and press on without the burden of our sin." Only a person with lazy morals would find that appealing. When I make a mistake, I don't pray to some imaginary sky-daddy to "press on without burden." I don't look for shortcuts.
"No longer is our sin weighing us down." Once again, it's all about YOU, not the people around you.
@Haywerth Once again you avoid the real question. So you refuse to admit that you learned all that you know from someone else. Surely you can think of someone who has contributed to your beliefs. What books do you read? Who raised you? Do you have a father? What did your mother teach you? Or are you trying to make me believe that you are the source of all of your knowledge? To what or whom do you attribute all of your vast wisdom? .
@whatthingssoever *Sigh* Oh very well. I was taught by my father the value of REASON and LOGIC and being proactive, unlike you. He never made excuses for the things that happened in his life, unlike you. He never made himself out to be the victim, unlike you. And he never compared his failures to being raped, unlike you. He's the reason I was able to get custody of my children by teaching me to never give up, to not sit back and whine about things happening against my will, unlike you.
@Haywerth Who was he taught by? What is his religion? What books does/did he read? Who raised him? What about your mother? Was she around to give any input into your life so as to formulate how you think? Have there been any spiritual influences in your life? Or did your father teach you to beware of God things? I'm curious how someone gets so messed up and why?
@whatthingssoever "I'm curious how someone gets so messed up and why?" You got beaten to a pulp in court; you compare your problems to getting raped.....and I'm the one who's messed up? Riiiight.
@Haywerth Again you avoid the main questions. They will help me understand how you think about Homosexuals as you do. Who was your father taught by? What is his religion? What books does/did he read? Who raised him? What about your mother? Was she around to give any input into your life so as to formulate how you think? Have there been any spiritual influences in your life? Or did your father teach you to beware of God things?
@whatthingssoever "Help me understand how you think about Homosexuals as you do." What does that even mean? There's nothing to "think" about. Homosexuals are not some alien species that need to be given some sort of special thought. This is why I'm disregarding your questions. Your questions do not deserve a serious answer, they deserve to be mocked.
@Haywerth No one said homosexuals were special in any way except maybe you. Your video attacked those like me who stand on the Word of God with regard to the issue of same sex marriage and the granting of special privileges to those who want to get married to a person of the same sex, so I was wondering how a person comes to think the way you do. The venom that you spew out for those of us who are Christians is also a curious thing to me. So help me out. Answer the questions for my study of you.
"No one said homosexuals were special in any way" Exactly. They aren't special. They're just like me and you. Yet you would deny them the same right to marry as you. Why? Because an ancient book says so, the same book that teaches how to beat slaves, to kill unruly children, and how much to pay to your rape victim's father.
Wow, being studied is fun. Ask me something else.
@Haywerth U R hung up on "rights". I guess you would call health insurance a "right" too. No person has the right to sin. You can sin without the blessings of God and the State. God has His Right Hand and that is the Church. He has His Left Hand and that is the State. Those who make laws in our Republic are better to make them according to God's Laws that govern His Kingdom. Otherwise we all suffer. Sinners don't have to like God's Laws, but if we who represent God mess up then we all suffer.
@whatthingssoever Sir, I unplugged from this "debate" days ago. But I wanted to see just how long it would take you to branch off the main point, which it didn't take you long at all. I just feel bad for the people who have to read though this little chat of ours, because neither of us really said anything of note concerning gay marriage. Such as life debating with a religious person.
@Haywerth I disagree. Both of us made our points clear in regards to the invention of same sex marriage. I began with the fact that same sex marriage does not exist in the economy of God. It is only an invention of fallen man, and it will/does hurt everyone. My whole life is about my relationship with God and presenting His point of view. You can leave the discusion any time. There seems to be no basis for your arguments anyway other than selfishness and sin. Bring it on if you have anything.
@Smickarov Are you gay and trying to get approval from mankind or something?
I am a minister of the Gospel. If you want to ask an intellegent meaningful question about God's Word or what God teaches us through His Holy Scriptures then bring it on. Otherwise take your demonicly inspired worldly crap elsewhere. Everyone knows that gay marriage is something the devil and carnal minded fallen man dreamed up. Gay marriage does not even exist in the Bible. God can not even look upon such thing.
I'm a straight women, actually, and I'm just asking a question, one that you still haven't answered yet. How can/does gay marriage hurt anymore than straight marriage? And I don't just want "because it is teh EVULS".
@Smickarov You must be a non-Christian, so I will answer you as if you are. The reasons we Christians have are all based in scripture; Romans 1 is good enough for us Christians. For the rest I guess you have to go with the fact that same sex marriage serves no purpose other than two people wanting to have sex with one another, get special rights given to them by the government and teach their children and the rest of society the wrong way to be happy, prosper and procreate; get saved & learn.
If marriage is only to have children, a marriage should become invalid when a couple become too old to have children, and infertile people and people who don't want to have children should never, ever be allowed to marry. Would you also agree with that?
@Smickarov People who do not want to have children should not have sex. It is up to God as to who will get pregnant from sex. Marriage is for the purpose of procreation. If a person is not interested in becoming a parent then stay single and don't have sex. Once one is married then nothing can invalidate that marriage.Let no man set asunder. It is only due to the hardness of man's hearts that God gives an exception to that rule, infidelity, but it was not so fromt he beginning.God hates divorce
@Haywerth To argue with a fool is pointless. You must think that I am foolish because I believe in God and His Holy Scriptures which are without error and good for doctrine, instruction, reproof and inspired by God. I understand your position, but simply think you are misguided. But worldliness is just that way. Mankind is waxing colder and colder towards God and others. You are caught up in that waxing. So I will simply pray for you. Jesus help this man. Visit him in his sleep or somehow.
@Haywerth "...forgetting those things which are behind, and reaching forth unto those things which are before, I press toward the mark for the prize of the high calling of God in Christ Jesus." Phil 3:13,14 That is what it is all about. We all sin, but we who are Christians can be forgiven and press on without the burden of our sin. The consequences are still there to be dealt with either in this life of the next, but no longer is our sin weighing us down. His Grace is sufficient.
@Haywerth Gay people can practice their gayness all they want. There is no law that I know of that prevents gays from practicing their sinful activity in privacy out of the public eye.When people want to force special rights and privileges for gays on the general public as well as change the definition of marriage to include such perversion as homosexuality then it is time for those of us who represent God in the land that will be negativly effected to stand up and say what thus saith the Lord.
@Haywerth Clean up your mouth too. The usage of profanity only means you are still enslaved to the system of this wicked world. When you get saved and filled with the Holy Ghost and that with a might burning fire you will change how you talk. Not only will you change your thinking and communication skills but you will change your actions. Get saved young man. God has a plan for you. Don't wait too long to acknowledge how merciful and kind God has been to you.
If there were real equal rights, then there would not be all of these incentives and benefits provides by the State and by society for married couples that are not provided to single people . Single people with no kids would not be paying more taxes than married couples , regardless if those marriages are same sex couples or hetero couples.
and i still wonder if i smoke because i'm part native american. I hear (this could be wrong) that they have the highest percentage of smokers of any ethnicity.
I think we need to getting labeling food and screw cigarettes. I KNOW they are harmful. And so does everyone else. But what is in our food and whether it is organic, etc is more important. Or rather if it is a GMO product I mean, THAT's what I think we should know!
All the warnings about cigarettes are not a given.Some smokers actually die of old age. Neither are the subway ads.a friend of mine weighs close to 500 lbs , he eats at Subway Obit Elderly man dies of old age (95) death was attributed to 70 years of smoking.
I was just as excited to hear about NY! :)..Yeah I do think the government is crossing the line but, if it's any consolation cigarette smoking amongst teens is on the decline...most of my peers know that smoking isn't cool;(
@Denvonn - I agree with all drugs being legal. I agree that the information should be out there. I don't like forcing a company to put out the information. That seems overreaching to me.
Denying the institutution of marriage to homosexuals is THE SOURCE of all
discrimination and hatred aimed at homosexuals as it stigmatizes all homosexuals
as beig less and unworthy
My God, I wish all straight men thought this way. What a different world it would be
for those of us who are coping with being homosexual.
Pilgrim812 4 months ago
We care because God says what is best for us, and we don't want to be disobedient and die. Your liberal worldly views sicken those of us who have been there and done that with the liberal worldly view points and who have been delivered. You ask why I would care? I care because I am commanded to love all people. I care because God cares. I care because I am called to make a difference where I live, and as a Christian I am to let my light shine no matter what man thinks. God cares so I care.
whatthingssoever 7 months ago
I enjoyed this video.
ZuleiLove 8 months ago
You have alway said the things that I have failed to be articulate enough to say.
You rock dude, no shit, you should get some credit. /cheers/ I salute you.
JustAnotherDudeOnYT 8 months ago
First of all: I'm not American, but it's still nice to hear that another state embraces reason and compassion. That's 7 down, 43 to go - right? :-D
As for cigarettes... well, that's a very interesting topic. I believe the government (here in Europe, too) cracks down so hard on tobacco is because smokers are a group of "easy" health pariahs, if you know what I mean. Legalizing against cheeseburgers isn't that easy, after all.
Killersepp 8 months ago
Finnish govermant will order not to show any brands in cigarette box. just white paper and warnings. Cigarettes will be out side of customers eyes and buyers have to ask them separately from sellers. this is not a joke! :)
AlCapone207 8 months ago
My previous comment was directed to bishop8000.
Pineconevolved 8 months ago
I heard Chris several times, say, "can't believe we have to vote on this", "it should be one of those things that we take for granted".
Your whole argument is based on something Chris didn't say. Human beings do work that way, it's the social confines of which we live in (democracy, which you pointed out), that we are making decisions in an unnatural way, decisions that shouldn't even be under question<--that was the point, to disagree with the status quo.
Pineconevolved 8 months ago
well said on all points.
jjjohn 8 months ago
I have only three things to say about gay marriage in New York:
ABOUT. FUCKING. TIME.
rcflight13 8 months ago
Cris, your asking people to separate their opinions and beliefs from their actions. That's naive. Human beings don't work that way. If a person believes that homosexuality is an abomination, then in a democracy they are going to vote accordingly. Your argument is pretty much: "It's OK to believe whatever you want as long as you vote the way I want you to." Unfortunately, the path to a better world is through changing beliefs, not through disconnecting beliefs from behavior.
bishop8000 8 months ago
@bishop8000 - Valid point, and I understand that beliefs and actions go hand in hand. However, believing that homosexuality is wrong should have the effect of that person not marrying a person of the same sex. I don't understand how they feel justified in forcing others not to marry. Strangers marrying will not affect them in the least. There are no victims to save. Changing beliefs take time. Backward laws must change now.
MusingsofCris 8 months ago 5
@MusingsofCris All laws exist as a reflection of subjective beliefs and values. Heroine, murder, rape, child porn, many things are against the law because of collective moral objections to them. To a fundamentalist, homosexuality is just one more of those things. Obviously, I agree with you, I'm an atheist and a free thinker. But I think the argument you're making here falls flat, you're asking people to disconnect their beliefs from their vote, but the real driver is the beliefs themselves.
bishop8000 8 months ago
@bishop8000 - All of the things you list could be harmful to a person and a society. People may not be able to disconnect their belief from their vote, but I am voicing an opinion that this is something that should not be open to a vote.
MusingsofCris 8 months ago
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Furoar 7 months ago
@Furoar - ha, I never said such a thing. Who are you quoting?
MusingsofCris 7 months ago
@MusingsofCris meant for for that sociopathic juvenile prick troll bishop8000, who apparently trolls other atheists to undermine the cause he ought to support, and acts like a fundamentalist lunatic who thinks he's awesome for making brain-dead insults to people, and he seems to seriously be a pretentious narcissist. I misread the comment, sorry.
Furoar 7 months ago
@bishop8000 I don't believe in religion and don't think it's right whatsoever. But should people have the right to practice their religion? Absolutely!
TheHasselBoff 8 months ago
@TheHasselBoff And the rational people should have the right to try to talk some sense into them. The future of our species depends on it.
bishop8000 8 months ago
@bishop8000 Talk sense into whom exactly? The gay community; there's never going to be more gay people than straight people; it won't ever happen. But imagine a world with less people; it would be fucking great!
TheHasselBoff 8 months ago
@TheHasselBoff Into the religious community.
bishop8000 8 months ago
@bishop8000 Oh I see, well they just need to get brains in their fucking heads and leave people the fuck alone.
TheHasselBoff 8 months ago
@bishop8000 America isn't a democracy, its a republic what utilizes the democratic process to elect its officials and one of the core tenets of this republic is its constitution: a set of rights guaranteed to the public by its government that will not be infringed upon. Amendments have been made to it, and more need to be added. If you (not you specifically) don't like the idea of the government staying out of not only your but everyone else's private affairs then this country isn't for you.
BoozyBeggar 8 months ago
@BoozyBeggar For one thing, the constitution is a law. And as I said, it's a reflection of subjective values, not a declaration that government has to stay out of everyone's private affairs. It puts limits on government, but at present it says nothing about homosexuality. Of course I'd love for the constitution to be expanded, but my real point is that making a disconnect between beliefs and actions (and laws are part of those actions) is unrealistic. The beliefs themselves are the issue.
bishop8000 8 months ago
@bishop8000 No...the path to a better world is to get people saved so they learn how to live by the Word of God. God's way is a better way. Man's wicked heart and wicked ways will always lead to distruction. Get saved and learn how to live a better way for the betterment of the world. However, we who understand the Word of God better than most realize that the world is doomed anyway.The real key is to die to the world and the world system and come to newness of life in Christ Jesus our Lord.
whatthingssoever 7 months ago
as far as I am concerned. Anyone who thinks gay marriage is wrong should shut up and keep that opinion to them selves
angrywhenroused 8 months ago
My favorit video about homosexual marriage is when a WW2 veteran do a speech about his gay son, saying he faught for his sons rights to be with the one he loved. That is one of the most beutiful things I ever heard been said.
Mossasan 8 months ago
The protests against gay marriage are never about the *sanctity of marriage*, because if the *sanctity of marriage* was that important, they'd be protesting against divorce.
Haywerth 8 months ago 7
@Haywerth I do protest against divorce. So much so that I went to court to stand up for the sanctify of marriage when my wife sued me for divorce. She won big, and I got beaten to a pulp financially and she got full custody of our children, but that was a decision of the court by a wicked judge who was forced by my wife to make a decision. The protest against gay marriage is always about the sanctity of marriage as far as I am concerned. Get is right.
whatthingssoever 7 months ago
@whatthingssoever "Get it right?" Are you high? You're just ONE PERSON protesting against divorce. Answer me this: How does gay marriage affect YOUR day-to-day life? (I'm amazed at how we straight people with our 50% divorce rates have the gall to want to preach about the sancitity of marriage.) Also, dude,I've been through a divorce myself. I know what it's like to get beaten up in court. But I kept fighting. As a result, I have full custody of my two kids. Stop belly-aching.
Haywerth 7 months ago
@Haywerth I'd hardly call it belly-aching to say that my wife got full custody of our children. She was the victor in court. And I am not the only Christian protesting divorce. There are many. God hates divorce, so I do too. He saved me to be one of His representatives so I have no choice if I want to represent Him well. Gay marriage effects my day-to-day life by bringing judgment on all of the land so that it is not yet healed. 2 Chron 7:14 type of thing. Beware of supporting gays.
whatthingssoever 7 months ago
@whatthingssoever "My wife got full custody of our children..."
"She was the victor in court."
OMG, you're such a whiner! My point is, so what?? Get off your knees and KEEP FIGHTING! You're putting SO much energy into harping about gay marriage when you should be putting that same energy into fighting for your children. You have misplaced priorities, sir. And I'm starting to see why you lost custody.
Haywerth 7 months ago
@Haywerth No. Those are simply facts. Our children are grown now. There is no need to fight over custody, and never was a need for that. I'm amazed at your clairvoyance and snap psychology lesson. And what was the part about my misplaced priorities? Are you saying that Christ and Him crucified should not be my priority? The fact is that gay marriage is not mentioned in the bible because it does not exist in the economy and kingdom of God. Gays invented it. Get saved and delivered.
whatthingssoever 7 months ago
@whatthingssoever "Our children are grown now" Then why bring them up in the first place? Yeesh.
Also, the *sanctity* of marriage applies to EVERYONE, not just gay people. That means YOU, sir, with your divorce, have played a MAJOR role in ruining marriage for EVERYONE. You couldn't maintain *sanctity* in your own marriage, but now you want to preach to everyone else.
Haywerth 7 months ago
@Haywerth Get saved man. People make mistakes, repent and are forgiven. I am a good example of what not to do in a lot of areas. A person does not have to be perfect to preach what is right and righteous. The Word of righteousness is available to all people. Jesus is the Way, the Truth and the Life. He has the Words of life. His goodness can lead you to repentance if you allow. You don't even have to clean your life up before you get saved. Jesus said you must be born again. Are you?
whatthingssoever 7 months ago
@whatthingssoever "People make mistakes, repent and are forgiven" Yea, how convenient, that religion thing. No morals, no ethics. Just "control-alt-delete" and start over. How about once you divorce, your right get married is forever revoked. Now THAT would be protecting the *sanctity* of marriage.
Haywerth 7 months ago
@Haywerth It's called mercy and grace. Get some. It will get you high, keep you high, and bring you joy unspeakable. Praise Him. Due to my willingness to remain faithful all during the divorce mess of my first marriage God rewarded me with a new wife. One who is loving, faithful, submissive and who loves the Lord also. God has been good to me.
whatthingssoever 7 months ago
@whatthingssoever
Whatever. I'm sure you described your first wife the exact same way. So much for the "sanctity" of THAT marriage. And because this is your second, you have an even GREATER chance of divorcing. But it's ok because you have that right to marry again and again and again.* Gay people, however don't even have the right to do that. That's unfair. They should have the same right to marry and divorce, just like you.
*and again and again and again.
Haywerth 7 months ago
@Haywerth So you see gay activity as legitamate. I guess you don't even see it as a sin. Do you realize that those who do such things are worthy of death; even those who have pleasure in them who do those things. That's God's Word on it. If God were not so serious about it I would probably think the way you do. But God controls the whole thing. Get saved man. Otherwise you and your gay friends are heading to a real bad judgment day.
whatthingssoever 7 months ago
@whatthingssoever So you see divorce activity as legitimate. I guess you don't even see it as a sin. Luke 16.18: "Anyone who divorces his wife and marries another commits adultery, and whoever marries a woman divorced from her husband commits adultery."
That's God's Word on it. If God were not so serious about divorce, I would probably think the way you do. But God controls the whole thing. Get saved man. Otherwise you and your divorced friends are heading to a real bad judgment day.
Haywerth 7 months ago
@Haywerth My wife, her attorney, the judge and all those who supported the sin of divorce were the sinners. Not me. I stood against divorce and for the sanctity of marriage; which is a holy institution and a sacrament. Divorce was forced upon me. You may say I was raped. It was against my will. So I was not the sinner. The sin of divorce was forced upon me. God released me to remarry. You need to study the matter before you condemn. Homosexuality is a sin that God judges/condemns.
whatthingssoever 7 months ago
@whatthingssoever
"You may say I was raped. It was against my will." AGAIN with the whining. What is it with you? Are you in control of your life or not?
"The sin of divorce was forced upon me. " It doesn't matter. YOU made the choice to marry this person of your own FREE WILL. No one forced you. So YOU are just as responsible for divorce as she.
"Homosexuality is a sin that God judges/condemns." The god of that silly book of yours condemns many things, including divorce.
Haywerth 7 months ago
@Haywerth So what religion are you? Are you an atheist or of a universalist flavor? What religion, other than self-centered or atheism, teaches that homosexuality is other than a sin against God and their own bodies?What makes the Holy Scriptures a "silly book"? Your youth and immaturity is showing. What is the source, other than the devil, for what you believe? Who taught it to you? We all learn somewhere and from someone. Who is your teacher? Who do you follow? Or are you a god to urself?
whatthingssoever 7 months ago
@whatthingssoever "We all learn somewhere and from someone. Who is your teacher?" Honestly, religious people like you, who never seem to take responsiblity for anything. Everything in your life was "forced upon you" and "against your will." "You don't even have to clean your life up before you get saved" Why is that appealing to you? Because people like you NEED religion and washing away "sins" with a prayer. Stop trying to "get saved" and deal with the consequences of your actions.
Haywerth 7 months ago
@Haywerth So you refuse to admit that you learned all that you know from someone else. Surely you can think of someone who has contributed to your beliefs. What books do you read? Who raised you? Do you have a father? What did your mother teach you? Or are you trying to make me believe that you are the source of all of your knowledge? To what or whom do you attribute all of your vast wisdom?
whatthingssoever 7 months ago
@whatthingssoever I just told you: A lifetime of watching religous people like you taught me how NOT to live my life.
"We who are Christians can be forgiven and press on without the burden of our sin." Only a person with lazy morals would find that appealing. When I make a mistake, I don't pray to some imaginary sky-daddy to "press on without burden." I don't look for shortcuts.
"No longer is our sin weighing us down." Once again, it's all about YOU, not the people around you.
Haywerth 7 months ago
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@Haywerth Once again you avoid the real question. So you refuse to admit that you learned all that you know from someone else. Surely you can think of someone who has contributed to your beliefs. What books do you read? Who raised you? Do you have a father? What did your mother teach you? Or are you trying to make me believe that you are the source of all of your knowledge? To what or whom do you attribute all of your vast wisdom? .
whatthingssoever 7 months ago
@whatthingssoever *Sigh* Oh very well. I was taught by my father the value of REASON and LOGIC and being proactive, unlike you. He never made excuses for the things that happened in his life, unlike you. He never made himself out to be the victim, unlike you. And he never compared his failures to being raped, unlike you. He's the reason I was able to get custody of my children by teaching me to never give up, to not sit back and whine about things happening against my will, unlike you.
Haywerth 7 months ago
@Haywerth Who was he taught by? What is his religion? What books does/did he read? Who raised him? What about your mother? Was she around to give any input into your life so as to formulate how you think? Have there been any spiritual influences in your life? Or did your father teach you to beware of God things? I'm curious how someone gets so messed up and why?
whatthingssoever 7 months ago
@whatthingssoever "I'm curious how someone gets so messed up and why?" You got beaten to a pulp in court; you compare your problems to getting raped.....and I'm the one who's messed up? Riiiight.
Haywerth 7 months ago
@Haywerth Again you avoid the main questions. They will help me understand how you think about Homosexuals as you do. Who was your father taught by? What is his religion? What books does/did he read? Who raised him? What about your mother? Was she around to give any input into your life so as to formulate how you think? Have there been any spiritual influences in your life? Or did your father teach you to beware of God things?
whatthingssoever 7 months ago
@whatthingssoever "Help me understand how you think about Homosexuals as you do." What does that even mean? There's nothing to "think" about. Homosexuals are not some alien species that need to be given some sort of special thought. This is why I'm disregarding your questions. Your questions do not deserve a serious answer, they deserve to be mocked.
Haywerth 7 months ago
@Haywerth No one said homosexuals were special in any way except maybe you. Your video attacked those like me who stand on the Word of God with regard to the issue of same sex marriage and the granting of special privileges to those who want to get married to a person of the same sex, so I was wondering how a person comes to think the way you do. The venom that you spew out for those of us who are Christians is also a curious thing to me. So help me out. Answer the questions for my study of you.
whatthingssoever 7 months ago
@whatthingssoever
"No one said homosexuals were special in any way" Exactly. They aren't special. They're just like me and you. Yet you would deny them the same right to marry as you. Why? Because an ancient book says so, the same book that teaches how to beat slaves, to kill unruly children, and how much to pay to your rape victim's father.
Wow, being studied is fun. Ask me something else.
Haywerth 7 months ago
@Haywerth U R hung up on "rights". I guess you would call health insurance a "right" too. No person has the right to sin. You can sin without the blessings of God and the State. God has His Right Hand and that is the Church. He has His Left Hand and that is the State. Those who make laws in our Republic are better to make them according to God's Laws that govern His Kingdom. Otherwise we all suffer. Sinners don't have to like God's Laws, but if we who represent God mess up then we all suffer.
whatthingssoever 7 months ago
@whatthingssoever Sir, I unplugged from this "debate" days ago. But I wanted to see just how long it would take you to branch off the main point, which it didn't take you long at all. I just feel bad for the people who have to read though this little chat of ours, because neither of us really said anything of note concerning gay marriage. Such as life debating with a religious person.
Haywerth 7 months ago
@Haywerth I disagree. Both of us made our points clear in regards to the invention of same sex marriage. I began with the fact that same sex marriage does not exist in the economy of God. It is only an invention of fallen man, and it will/does hurt everyone. My whole life is about my relationship with God and presenting His point of view. You can leave the discusion any time. There seems to be no basis for your arguments anyway other than selfishness and sin. Bring it on if you have anything.
whatthingssoever 7 months ago
@whatthingssoever "and it will/does hurt everyone."
How exactly does gay marriage hurt anyone? Surely, it would not hurt any more than straight marriage.
Smickarov 4 months ago
@Smickarov Are you gay and trying to get approval from mankind or something?
I am a minister of the Gospel. If you want to ask an intellegent meaningful question about God's Word or what God teaches us through His Holy Scriptures then bring it on. Otherwise take your demonicly inspired worldly crap elsewhere. Everyone knows that gay marriage is something the devil and carnal minded fallen man dreamed up. Gay marriage does not even exist in the Bible. God can not even look upon such thing.
whatthingssoever 4 months ago
@whatthingssoever
I'm a straight women, actually, and I'm just asking a question, one that you still haven't answered yet. How can/does gay marriage hurt anymore than straight marriage? And I don't just want "because it is teh EVULS".
Smickarov 4 months ago
@Smickarov You must be a non-Christian, so I will answer you as if you are. The reasons we Christians have are all based in scripture; Romans 1 is good enough for us Christians. For the rest I guess you have to go with the fact that same sex marriage serves no purpose other than two people wanting to have sex with one another, get special rights given to them by the government and teach their children and the rest of society the wrong way to be happy, prosper and procreate; get saved & learn.
whatthingssoever 4 months ago
@whatthingssoever
If marriage is only to have children, a marriage should become invalid when a couple become too old to have children, and infertile people and people who don't want to have children should never, ever be allowed to marry. Would you also agree with that?
Smickarov 4 months ago
@Smickarov People who do not want to have children should not have sex. It is up to God as to who will get pregnant from sex. Marriage is for the purpose of procreation. If a person is not interested in becoming a parent then stay single and don't have sex. Once one is married then nothing can invalidate that marriage.Let no man set asunder. It is only due to the hardness of man's hearts that God gives an exception to that rule, infidelity, but it was not so fromt he beginning.God hates divorce
whatthingssoever 4 months ago
@Haywerth To argue with a fool is pointless. You must think that I am foolish because I believe in God and His Holy Scriptures which are without error and good for doctrine, instruction, reproof and inspired by God. I understand your position, but simply think you are misguided. But worldliness is just that way. Mankind is waxing colder and colder towards God and others. You are caught up in that waxing. So I will simply pray for you. Jesus help this man. Visit him in his sleep or somehow.
whatthingssoever 7 months ago
@Haywerth "...forgetting those things which are behind, and reaching forth unto those things which are before, I press toward the mark for the prize of the high calling of God in Christ Jesus." Phil 3:13,14 That is what it is all about. We all sin, but we who are Christians can be forgiven and press on without the burden of our sin. The consequences are still there to be dealt with either in this life of the next, but no longer is our sin weighing us down. His Grace is sufficient.
whatthingssoever 7 months ago
@Haywerth Gay people can practice their gayness all they want. There is no law that I know of that prevents gays from practicing their sinful activity in privacy out of the public eye.When people want to force special rights and privileges for gays on the general public as well as change the definition of marriage to include such perversion as homosexuality then it is time for those of us who represent God in the land that will be negativly effected to stand up and say what thus saith the Lord.
whatthingssoever 7 months ago
@Haywerth Clean up your mouth too. The usage of profanity only means you are still enslaved to the system of this wicked world. When you get saved and filled with the Holy Ghost and that with a might burning fire you will change how you talk. Not only will you change your thinking and communication skills but you will change your actions. Get saved young man. God has a plan for you. Don't wait too long to acknowledge how merciful and kind God has been to you.
whatthingssoever 7 months ago
If there were real equal rights, then there would not be all of these incentives and benefits provides by the State and by society for married couples that are not provided to single people . Single people with no kids would not be paying more taxes than married couples , regardless if those marriages are same sex couples or hetero couples.
Pentazoid111 8 months ago
and i still wonder if i smoke because i'm part native american. I hear (this could be wrong) that they have the highest percentage of smokers of any ethnicity.
JustABitchyCancer 8 months ago
I think we need to getting labeling food and screw cigarettes. I KNOW they are harmful. And so does everyone else. But what is in our food and whether it is organic, etc is more important. Or rather if it is a GMO product I mean, THAT's what I think we should know!
JustABitchyCancer 8 months ago
get to labeling*
JustABitchyCancer 8 months ago
Fags&Fags
ReoTheCreator 8 months ago
All the warnings about cigarettes are not a given.Some smokers actually die of old age. Neither are the subway ads.a friend of mine weighs close to 500 lbs , he eats at Subway Obit Elderly man dies of old age (95) death was attributed to 70 years of smoking.
no1saphead 8 months ago
I was just as excited to hear about NY! :)..Yeah I do think the government is crossing the line but, if it's any consolation cigarette smoking amongst teens is on the decline...most of my peers know that smoking isn't cool;(
SandySweet575 8 months ago
@Denvonn - I agree with all drugs being legal. I agree that the information should be out there. I don't like forcing a company to put out the information. That seems overreaching to me.
MusingsofCris 8 months ago