I'm glad I'm Catholic too. Protestant twenty years. Atheist for 30. I "came home" four years ago....will never go back to either. Thank you Lord Jesus for your Church!!!
Colossians 2:8 See to it that no one takes you captive through hollow and deceptive philosophy, which depends on human tradition and the basic principles of this world rather than on Christ
A priest friend of mine, Fr. Gerard in WI got them, along with other items and many books from a priest's collection, who had died in Lacrosse 3 years ago. I was blessed to get them and quite a few of the books, too! Very cool! Hard back copies of Vat. II docs, and German/English prayer books, etc. To think that we have the Precious Blood here in our house!!! God bless.
@susiefromomaha, wow, to have these in a prayer room, what a blessing. let me know when and if you get the room painted like you said, and send us a photo....
Steve, this is just stunning. Thank you so much. Oh and the prayer room ... some of the book have been moved around. Not sure what one you were looking at. I do have palls that are stained w/ the Precious Blood! What a treasure! God bless.
JESUS WROTE NO SCRIPTURE WHILE HE WAS ALIVE AND DID NOT COMMAND THE APOSTLES TO WRITE ANY AS WELL. THE APOSTLES AND THE DISCIPLES GOT THE GOSPEL BY ORAL TRADITION. FIRST BOOK OF NT NOT WRITTEN UNTIL 45-50 A.D BY ST PAUL ORLA TRADITION IS AUTHORITATIVE. JESUS TELLS THE APOSTLES "WHO EVER HEARS YOU, HEARS ME"
@wjm7259 "THE APOSTLES AND THE DISCIPLES GOT THE GOSPEL BY ORAL TRADITION"
All of the Apostles got the Gospel from Jesus and "witnessed" it not from "oral tradition".
The were right there with him while he lived and when he ascended up into heaven. he told them to wait at Jerusalem until the Holy Ghost would come and that then they would preach the Gospel which they received from him and witnessed first hand.
Now let's see if you will reject the truth or acknowledge it.
@troysz THE APOSTLES HEARD JESUS AS WELL AS WITNESSING HIS MIRACLES , BUT THE GOSPELS RECORD WHAT JESUS SAID IN HIS TEACHINGS. THIS SPOKEN TEACHING IS ORAL TRADITION PRECISELY BECAUSE JESUS DID NOT WRITE IT IN HIS OWN HAND. THE APOSTLES HAD AUTHORITY TO SPEAK IN HIS NAME. THEY DID NOT HAVE TO WRITE HIS TEACHINGS DOWN AND WERE NOT COMMANDED TO WHILE JESUS WAS ALIVE
@wjm7259 "THE APOSTLES HEARD JESUS AS WELL AS WITNESSING HIS MIRACLES "
Thanks for repeating what I just posted in answer to your false claim right here;
""THE APOSTLES AND THE DISCIPLES GOT THE GOSPEL BY ORAL TRADITION"
Your former post is a lie and contradicts what the Apostles themselves said. They did not get the Gospel by oral tradition. You post in response to mine does not address what you said. You are now backstepping; and very poorly
@wjm7259 " TRADITION PRECISELY BECAUSE JESUS DID NOT WRITE IT IN HIS OWN HAND."
Wrong again! Something is not "tradition" as you say "precisely" because the speaker does not write it down. If I give a lecture and no one writes down what I say my words are not "tradition" just because they were not writtten down.
It takes more than merely not writing oral infromation down to make it tradition (even information passed from several people to others).
@wjm7259 If I gave a lecture on Koine Greek, and several in the audience passed on what I said to 5 other people per day for the next month and then a month later someone writes down what they were told that I said; even this is not tradition.
Passing on information orally in and of itself does not constitute tradition.
@troysz TRADITON COMES FROMTHE LATIN WORD TRADERE WHICH MEANS TO HAND DOWN AND IN THIS CASE JESUS TEACHINGS WERE TAOUGHT ORALLY NOT WRITTEN AND HANDED DOWN FROM THE APOSTLES IN FIRST CORINTHIAN YOU QUOTE PAUL SA SAYING WHAT THE LORD HANDED DOWN TO ME. IT WAS NOT WRITTEN AND JESUS DID NOT SPEAK TO PAUL AFTER GOOD FRIDAY NOR WA HE PRESENT AT THE LAST SUPPER HE LEARNED IT ONLY LATER AS IT WAS HANDED DOWN TO HIM . ALL OF JESUS TEACHINGS WERE ORIGINALLY DELIVERED VIA TRADITION FROM JESUS
@wjm7259 The oral teaching of Moses was authoritative because God chose him to deliver the Law to Israel and spoke directly to him. The same is true of Jesus and the Apostles their oral teaching was uniquely authoritative because their words came from God. Aaron word's were not authoritative he could not add 5 more commandments. Israel would not have accepted them. This is the mistake that Catholics and Protestants both make; they fail to recoginize the unique authority that certain had.
@wjm7259 'HICH PROVES THE POINT THAT TRADIDION IS AUTHORITATIVE AND NOT JUST WRITTEN SCRIPTURE"
Before talking about what was proved you should 1st admit that your post was false.
"THE APOSTLES AND THE DISCIPLES GOT THE GOSPEL BY ORAL TRADITION."
You are still trying to avoid that I see.
It does not prove that "tradition" is authoritative it prooves that the teaching of those whom God gave direct revelation to was authoritative whether spoken or written.
There is no Catholic church in any of the Apostles' or Jesus' teaching just "the church" or "Christians".
So since Jesus chose the Apostles to give the church its traditions and not one of them said to call the church "the Catholic church".
Israel's name is in the Bible so is Rome's. Are we to believe that God would not have had the Apostles who founded the church to name it? Also there are no Popes, rosaries, Catholic priests. etc. either
@wjm7259 Q. What is Jesus' mother's name? A. Mary Q. How do we know? A. The Bible says so Q. Could her name have been Sally? A. No Q. Why? A. Because the Bible does not say so Q. What is the church' name? A. The tradition that the Apostles and the 1st century practiced and was to call believers Christians Q. Should we follow this tradition in keeping with the Apostle Paul command to stand fast and hold to the tradtition which the church then HAD BEEN TAUGHT A. YES!
@wjm7259 The Pharisees made the same arraogant mistake. They reaoned; "If Moses' oral teaching was authoritative than so is ours". However God dod not choose them to deliver the Law. At best they could keep it 1st and teach it but it did not come from God to them and then to Israel.
The same is true of the traditions that the church was to follow. According to Paul God gave them to the Apostles to give to the church. The church was to keep them not add to them.
@troysz st john in his gospel says thta there are many other things that jesus said that were not written down. so we know that he left oral teaching. Rosary's are not extra biblical they are a veryeffective way of reading the gospels, be cause that is where all of the info in the rosary mysteries comes from.
@wjm7259 "And many other signs truly did Jesus in the presence of his disciples, which are not written in this book:
But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name." John 20: 30,31
Note that it then says that what was written was written that we "might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name."
Your claim to know this was based on a lie about what John wrote. If you know that Jesus and the Apostles left teaching that was never written you would list what they are.
Just saying that they left oral teaching proves nothing.......what are they? List them form me.
You can't list any, because the truth is you don't know of one single one.
You are just blinding repeating what you were told and that you accepted with no proof.
@troysz As he told the apostles especially peter that the gates of hell willl not prevail against the church, so wahtever it is as I am not a professional church historian they must be tru as the church cannot teach error so i imagine that th doctrines of the immacculate conception 7 assumption while implicitly found in scripture are more profundly taught in thhis oral teaching. Jesus di dot teach sola scriptura. that heretical idea IS a tradition of man
@wjm7259 You still have not given me one single oral tradition taught by either Jesus or the Apostles.
You are blindly believing in some mythical oral traditions which you have never even seen. If this is not true then produce them. You cannot because they do not exist.
@wjm7259 "“I am not a professional church historian”
Nor am I and yet I have exposed several lies that you have posted in here, such as;
“THE APOSTLES AND THE DISCIPLES GOT THE GOSPEL BY ORAL TRADITION.”
and
“st john in his gospel says thta there are many other things that jesus said that were not written down.”
I was able to expose your twsiting of scripture not becaause I am a "professional church historian" but because I obey God's word and "study to show myself approved"
And therein lies one of your errors; you do not know anything, by your own words you "imagine" or assume things to be true without verifying any of it.
God’s word instructs to you to
"study to show yourself approved”
he did not say for you to imagine that everything religious leaders tell you is true as you have.
“Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.”
There was doctrinal error in the Galatian church, and several of the churches mentioned at the beginning of Revelation. In each case it was an Apostls that God used to warn the churches of their error.
“So hast thou also them that hold the doctrine of the Nicolaitanes, which thing I hate.” Rev 2:15
“For I know this, that after my departing shall grievous wolves enter in among you, not sparing the flock. Also of your own selves shall men arise, speaking perverse things, to draw away disciples after them.” Acts 20: 29,30
So according to Paul false teachers would arise even within the church.
The church can teach error when it like you decide to follow traditions which you cannot prove are oral teaching from the Apostles
@wjm7259 So I ask you again I ask you since you claim that there are oral teaching that Jesus and the Apostles taught which were not written then give me a list of just 5 of them. Then give me your proof that they came from either Jesus or the Apostles.
@troysz The first Christians "devoted themselves to the apostles’ teaching" (Acts 2:42) long before there was a New Testament. From the very beginning, the fullness of Christian teaching was found in the Church as the living embodiment of Christ, not in a book. . Paul himself gives a quotation from Jesus that was handed down orally to him: "It is more blessed to give than to receive" (Acts 20:35).
This saying is not recorded in the Gospels and must have been passed on to Paul
@stevesilvia "From the very beginning, the fullness of Christian teaching was found in the Church"
Incorrect! If the "fullness of Christtian teaching was in Jesus who passed it on to the Apostles who taught it to the church".
If the "fullness of Christian teaching was then in the church" then the chuches such as some seen in Rev would not have accepted and taught false doctrine.
The Galatian church would not have been open to a false gospel from the Judaizers.
@stevesilvia " When the full embodiment of teaching exist in you, you do not need and Apostle to tell you what Jesus wants you to do and practice.
When doctrinal issues arouse at Galatia the church did not correct itself by it own knowledge. Instead Jesus who is "the fullness of Christian teaching" used Paul (an Apostles) to correct them.
When doctrinal issues arose at Corinth, Pergamos, Thyatira, those churches did not correct themselves. Instead Jesus used an Apostle to do so.
@stevesilvia "Paul himself gives a quotation from Jesus that was handed down orally to him: "It is more blessed to give than to receive" (Acts 20:35).
This saying is not recorded in the Gospels and must have been passed on to Paul
And this reveals one of your common error because you do not know the scriptures.
Most of what Paul taught the church then is not recorded in the Gospels because Paul received his teaching directly from Jesus himself not through "oral tradition"
@stevesilvia Paul did not even receive the Gospel itself through "oral tradition" by directly from Jesus "I certify you, brethren, that the gospel which was preached of me is not after man. For I neither received it of man, neither was I taught it, but by the revelation of Jesus Christ."
and church tradiion
"I have received of the Lord that which also I delivered unto you"
I accept where Paul says he got his teaching over where you say he got it.
@stevesilvia According to Pau's own words he did not even receive the Gospel itself through "oral tradition" but directly from Jesus "I certify you, brethren, that the gospel which was preached of me is not after man. For I neither received it of man, neither was I taught it, but by the revelation of Jesus Christ."
and church tradiion
"I have received of the Lord that which also I delivered unto you"
I accept where Paul says he got his teaching over where you say he got it.
@troysz What I am saying is that Paul's words are an example of oral tradition....which means repeating what they heard....The words Paul quoted from Jesus are not in the gospel, thus it is "oral tradition"....
@stevesilvia To this day no Catholic has been able to produce any list of oral traditions that originated from Jesus which were never written but past down just orally.
@troysz THE APOSTLES HEARD JESUS AS WELL AS WITNESSING HIS MIRACLES , BUT THE GOSPELS RECORD WHAT JESUS SAID IN HIS TEACHINGS. THIS SPOKEN TEACHING IS ORAL TRADITION PRECISELY BECAUSE JESUS DID NOT WRITE IT IN HIS OWN HAND. THE APOSTLES HAD AUTHORITY TO SPEAK IN HIS NAME. THEY DID NOT HAVE TO WRITE HIS TEACHINGS DOWN AND WERE NOT COMMANDED TO WHILE JESUS WAS ALIVE .
afterall the Bible was written by members of the Catholic Church....the OT in use by the early Church was indeed the Septuagint as most of the early Christian only knew Greek. The NT as we know it, did not get codified into a "canon" until the mid-300s. So, one could say that the Bible is a part of Sacred Tradition. What is so funny about the anti-Catholics who post is they are ignorant of both history and the Orthodox Christians.
@999Thip, the Church is the body of Christ. "Now you are the body of Christ, and each one of you is a part of it. And in the church God has appointed first of all apostles, second prophets, third teachers, then workers of miracles, also those having gifts of healing, those able to help others, and those with gifts of administration..." 1 Corinthians 12:27 -28 Is that clear enough for you? That is where we find salvation, in Jesus. Your protest against the Church, is a protest against Christ.
@stevesilvia i agree that ones finds salvation in jesus christ.
one must ask jesus into their heart, turn from their sins.
read gods word . pray with every breath.
i really dont believe in triditions of men, the sign of the cross, or the belief that mary can do anything for you. i believe the catholic church has gone astray,
i believe they spend too much time on tridition, and less time on jesus.
i believe its all about jesus and what happen on the cross..
@999Thip, sorry, I don't follow your train of thought. The Mass is the way the first Christians worshiped, and is still the same today. Thats in your history books ...I can go on and on too, but you know what I'm talking about. If you have a question just ask.
@999Thip, answer my question first, then I will answer yours. You cannot come here and dance from issue to issue, this is a sharing channel, not a barking channel.
"You search the scriptures, because you think you have eternal life through them; even they testify on my behalf. But you do not want to come to me to have life. I do not accept human praise; moreover, I know that you do not have the love of God in you."
@999Thip The history of the sign of the cross goes back as far as Tertullian, the early church father who lived between 160 and 220 A.D. (the first Christians). While the Bible does not instruct us to cross ourselves, the sign of the cross is not without biblical symbolism. The shape of the sign is a reminder of the cross of Christ. "In the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit... Rev: 14:1 and Rev 9:4. So you can see the first Christians used this short prayer...
I'm interested in selling my youngest daughter into slavery - Exodus 21:7. She's in 2nd year college, speaks fluent Italian, always cleared the table when it was her turn. What would a good price for her be?
It’s in scripture. Are you doing it?
My assistant (I’m the boss at work) insists on working on the Sabbath. Exodus 35:2 clearly says he should be put to death. Am I morally obligated to kill him myself or is it okay to call the police?
"You search the scriptures, because you think you have eternal life through them; even they testify on my behalf. But you do not want to come to me to have life. I do not accept human praise; moreover, I know that you do not have the love of God in you."
Jesus said in Mark 16:17-20,“And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues; (18) They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.”
When someone is sick, do your Elders come over and anoint the sick with oil and pray for healing?
James 5:14 asks,“Is any sick among you? Let him call for the elders of the church; and let them pray over him, anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord.”
@mapollo like you really know what those people were doing 2000 yrs ago.
you cant even tell me what is going on in washington, or whats in that socialist heathcare bill,
you believe in what is being taught to you,
wake up and seek jesus while you can, our time is short here on earth, your not promiced tomorrow, and your talking about how proud you are that your church does certain things, which can give you no salvation..
@999Thip, grow up, thats not what I said....I said the prayer has been said since the first Christians did it...."In the name of the Father, and the Son and the Holy Spirit" read Matthew 28:19...(here is a clue....it's in the bible). The first Christians did it and have done so for centuries to today. except for the protestants.... That's my point
@999Thip, I'm not making any excuse, I'm telling you facts and history...which you seem to have ignored. Are you telling me the first Christians were wrong??? You ignore the truth and go around telling people to find Jesus...Wake up buddy, you're so blind that you can't see a Christian when he is standing in front of your face...Why? It's because you have been taught to not listen, and to reject everything you don't understand....
@eatatmargos, the rosary is a collection of Scripture prayed and time spent remembering the events in Jesus life. You should stop listening to the lies taught to you by your church.
@stevesilvia ah yea... the BIBLE says to venerate Mary in prayer? It also tells you to start the Maryology CULT & make her co-redeemer??? Your poop's have seen fit to make that part of the DOGMA that IS catholicism. I got news for you. Acts & Revelations is speaking DIRECTLY to catholicism & it IS the HARLOT that will be DESTROYED. those are CHRIST's WORDS, not mine.
Howbeit in vain do they worship me teachings for doctrines the commandments of men. Full well ye reject the commandments of GOD, that ye may keep your own tradition. -Mark 7:7-9.
catholicism is about PAGANISM & traditions of MEN, not CREATOR GOD.
Mark 7:8-9, "Neglecting the commandment of God, you hold to the tradition of men. He was also saying to them, You nicely set aside the commandment of God in order to keep your tradition."
Matthew 6:7 "And when you are praying, do not use meaningless repetition as the Gentiles do, for they suppose that they will be heard for their many words.
@Primeda, ok, then explain why in the book of Revelations, the angels repeat over and over, "Holy, Holy, Holy, Lord God Almighty..." and explain why Jesus went to the garden and repeated the same prayer three times to the Father, "If it is possible, Let this cup pass me by..." Your interpretation of Scriptures is wrong. By your interpretation, how many times can I say the "Lords Prayer" today?? Is twice too much of a repetition???
@stevesilvia vain repetition is referring to meaningless prayers such as the mind numbing rosary chant: hail mary, hail mary, hail mary, hail mary in which catholics not only repeat meaningless words but also try to communicate with the dead which is strictly forbidden in scripture.
@rusda2, you have no idea what you are babbling about ...The prayer said in the Rosary, the "Hail Mary" is simply Scripture which is prayed. You seem to imply that Scripture is meaningless words?? Ha, I doubt that you even took the time to research any of this, that is why I say you are just babbling here.
hi steve, sorry but repeating "hail mary" multiple times does not constitute a prayer by any stretch of the imagination. no I dont seem to imply that, you are implying that. are you implying that the angel was praying to mary? where does scripture say: 1- we should pray to dead people? 2- mary was assumed into heaven? 3- we need a "pope"? I know you guys put tradition above scripture, it's in your own writings, so any explanation you give is a waste of time.
@rusda2 here is your quote..."vain repetition is referring to meaningless prayers such as the mind numbing rosary chant: hail mary, hail mary, hail mary, hail mary in which catholics not only repeat meaningless words" Did you forget what you said?? Do you even know what the words are in the "Hail Mary"? read my lips...We pray the Scripture... Thats something that has been done since old testament days...
@stevesilvia you are praying to a dead woman. the bible forbids communication with the dead. marian "apparitions" are nothing more than spirits of devils working miracles. the catholic church is very big on miracles and will be easily deceived by satan to believe they are from God. stigmata, mary/statues crying blood, mary in a piece of burnt toast etc, its all satanic foolishness which will cause many catholics to lose salvation by believing the lies. "hello mary" twenty times is meaningless.
@rusda2, I'm not talking about every apparition someone claims to see. I'm talking about the words of the Hail Mary prayer....Why are you avoiding the issue? Do you want me to give you the chapter and verse in the bible to the words of the Hail Mary? Remember, in Scripture Mary says "All generations shall call me blessed".
@stevesilvia Im not avoiding anything. yes give me chapter/verse where God says we should pray to mary please, love to see that.
also, by "prayer-izing" the hail mary salutation you are unwittingly saying that the angel was praying to mary. it was a greeting, not prayer. angels are sinless, mary was not. mankind, being sinful, are lower lower than the angels, mary is of mankind, she was a sinner like you/me, yet catholics want to make her equal with God. calling her blessed is not a prayer.
@rusda2, we use the words of Scripture to pray. That is what the first Christians did. That is what Jesus did. Remember the words of Jesus on the cross? Prayer comes in many forms as the bible states, thanksgiving, intercessory, worship, ect...Thus, we use the words of Scripture in prayer. The angel was not praying to Mary, but if Scripture is the inspired word of God, then we also are inspired to repeat the words of Scripture.
Matthew 26:44: "And he left them, and went away again, and prayed the third time, saying the same words". Mark 14:39 reads: "And again he went away, and prayed, and spake the same words."
I think one of the main issues here is that we shouldnt pray to mary at all because she is dead. the bible clearly forbids communicating with the so called spirits of the dead which are in reality spirits of devils working miracles to deceive people. any "appearance" of mary is not mary at all but a devil personating mary. satan will personate Christ as well.
saying hi mary, hi mary, certainly qualifies as vain/worthless, she cant help anyone.
We don't believe Mary is 'dead', and is able to do as she did on earth..(Wedding @ Canna). Some Catholics abuse this concept . We are asking her to pray FOR us. And you are probably aware of the passages in Revelation which speaks to this.
As for 'vain' or 'worthless', the intent is the issue. Christ prayed in the Garden, as Mathew 14:39 says 'and he spoke the same words'. And I think you would agree that His words are not vain or worthless....
@mapollo Hi Map, yes I understand the catholic belief that mary can help them by interceding (mediatrix/co-redemtrix) for them, but as you know the scripture says we have only one Intercessor/Mediator/Redeemer and that is Jesus Christ the Righteous.
Of course Christs words are not worthless. Christ was praying to the Living God Who indeed can help. However praying to a dead person for help would be a futile prayer, even if the person praying thought the dead person could pray for them.
@stevesilvia I would recite the OUR FATHER as many times as pleases me... THAT prayer came STRAIGHT from the SON. You CAN NOT take a piece of scripture here & another from there about someone that has NOTHING to do with SALVATION & think you are praying to the CREATOR... HE IS A JEALOUS GOD.
Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.
"Why do ye also transgress the commandment of God by your tradition? [Y]e made the commandment of God of none effect by your tradition. Ye hypocrites."
kiwichristian2009, you have no idea what you are speaking of. The first Christians were taught by the traditions and teachings of the Apostles and Disciples. Oral tradition was the ONLY teaching they had, because the Bible did not exist then.
the gospel itself is the product of tradition. Jesus himslf did not write any of his teachings while he was alive. Na di not command the apostles to do the same..whoever hears you, hears me
But i kno u will say it was Jesus when He talked with peter in Mat 16:18. But thats just a lie, because gregory was the first pope not "peter".
A little clarity peter in the greek is petros meaning little pabble, but Jesus says upon this Rock [the greek there is Petra maning large Rock, i will build my church...
ANYWAY ONES AGAIN PEOPLE READ THE WORD FOR URSELF TRUST NOT IN MAN.
Exd 20V3-4 Thou shalt have no other gods before me.
Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness [of any thing] that [is] in heaven above, or that [is] in the earth beneath, or that [is] in the water under the earth:
whr should i start with ur catholic Idolotry yal have an endless list of saints which only came into the church after Constantine "legalized" christianity in a pagan rome. Becides who gave catholicity it's powerful grounding, it wasn't jesus, it was Agustine
But the Comforter, [which is] the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you. Here is the tricky part that which God spoke against the catholics practice, belive me i;m more than qualified i attended catholic churches for yrs. u still haven't cleared up the issue of infant baptism, the rosery, which is also found in buhdism, hinduism, islam, bahai, catholic but NOT IN THE BIBLE
MrSoullyricist......same argument as all protestants make...old, tired. Jesus is of course the FOUNDATION, but Peter, whom he told three times to "Feed My Sheep," is the ROCK upon which His Church is to be built.
It's funny that protestants are always SO literal on everything, excpet John 6, The Bread of Life narrative, and on the "Rock." Everywhere else, you are literal. Did Jesus give you the power to pick & choose those things you accept and reject? Private interpretation is forbidden.
Correction the information i typed before isn't church doctrine i'm quiet capable of reasoning on my own. since my basis is the scriptures and not tradition, would u care to show me in the King James bible whr a Man has the power to speak infallably. Give me a scripture that says we require a pope before we can attain any understanding of the scriptures, oh here is a good one. Jhn 14:26
to ideas outside the scriptures, it's actually more like practice that which we taught you {scripture} and not your own thing, doesn't translate into venerate mary, introduce child baptism, change the biblical sabath from sat to sun, believe that a man like the pope is infallible, I thought only God is infallible.
IF IT'S NOT IN THE BIBLE BUT IT'S PRACTICED AS THO JESUS TAUGHT IT, YEP SATAN IS BEHIND IT.
MrSoullyricist, what is amazing is that people like you come here and comment without doing any research. Our Pope is not infallible. We never said that, your church teaches you that. The truth is that our pope, after much study, debate, research, and prayer, can make an infallible statement concerning our faith. In fact, over the many years, there have only been a few infallible statements.
Besides, what good is an infallible book, without an infallible interpreter? Your unqualified, and un-Christ like comment is proof of my claim...You are my brother in Christ, and I will pray for you.
I keep finding videos that show the Truth so clearly and then, when I look at who posted them, it's so often you. :) Another good one. God bless you for the witness you bear....
Here is a question..........prove God exists in the univerive.....without reverting to the insestuious relationships of Adam and Eve and their sons etc.
cloverfield911, why would I want to prove it? This is about Faith, believing in what we cannot see. Is that so hard to do? Not really, because we do this everyday in a world where we are told the government can suddenly come up with billions of dollars for bailout, yet we still can't feed and shelter the homeless...
i am a 9th grade altar server at 2 churches. Last year I made Confirmation, and these videos are just helping me to understand more the role that I took on last year when I was Confirmed. =) Nice videos
Katie: study catholic doctrine and theology without stopping, because there are enemies all around that would like to see you abandon our God-given Catholic faith.
i no most of my frends dont go 2 church.....well other than my altar server friends. i tell them about it nd they r curious 2 an extent nd then they usually turn me off........
katiehawk94, that is exactly how I started out. Most people find it hard to speak of Christ, but people like you speak from your heart. You inspire me!!!
Thank you so much!!!!! it is harder for me to talk abotu God in school. I go to a public school, so I get a lot of critizism just for going to Mass every week. =)
I'm glad I'm Catholic too. Protestant twenty years. Atheist for 30. I "came home" four years ago....will never go back to either. Thank you Lord Jesus for your Church!!!
SteveD042661 4 weeks ago
I'm glad I'm Catholic (:
Gazuntiteable 5 months ago
Search stauros the origin of the cross...jesus did not crucified in a two beamed cross,he is die in upright pole...
Mcspace100 7 months ago
Colossians 2:8 See to it that no one takes you captive through hollow and deceptive philosophy, which depends on human tradition and the basic principles of this world rather than on Christ
Tradition of MAN or Gods word???
Mcspace100 8 months ago
Ha, ha, ha Catholic by Tradition.... but certainly not a traditional Catholic song. Not surprised these days. Maybe traditional in name only.
Catoni52 8 months ago
Will do, Steve. And again, thanks for all of your excellent videos. God bless.
susiefromomaha 1 year ago
A priest friend of mine, Fr. Gerard in WI got them, along with other items and many books from a priest's collection, who had died in Lacrosse 3 years ago. I was blessed to get them and quite a few of the books, too! Very cool! Hard back copies of Vat. II docs, and German/English prayer books, etc. To think that we have the Precious Blood here in our house!!! God bless.
susiefromomaha 1 year ago
@susiefromomaha, wow, to have these in a prayer room, what a blessing. let me know when and if you get the room painted like you said, and send us a photo....
stevesilvia 1 year ago
Steve, this is just stunning. Thank you so much. Oh and the prayer room ... some of the book have been moved around. Not sure what one you were looking at. I do have palls that are stained w/ the Precious Blood! What a treasure! God bless.
susiefromomaha 1 year ago
@susiefromomaha, where did you get the palls? Thats what I thought they were, but I wasn't sure...
stevesilvia 1 year ago
Steve, beautiful video. Can't wait to show my students in class tomorrow. Well done. God Bless you!
ccrews16 1 year ago
JESUS WROTE NO SCRIPTURE WHILE HE WAS ALIVE AND DID NOT COMMAND THE APOSTLES TO WRITE ANY AS WELL. THE APOSTLES AND THE DISCIPLES GOT THE GOSPEL BY ORAL TRADITION. FIRST BOOK OF NT NOT WRITTEN UNTIL 45-50 A.D BY ST PAUL ORLA TRADITION IS AUTHORITATIVE. JESUS TELLS THE APOSTLES "WHO EVER HEARS YOU, HEARS ME"
wjm7259 1 year ago
@wjm7259 " THE APOSTLES AND THE DISCIPLES GOT THE GOSPEL BY ORAL TRADITION"
This is false! Paul wrote that he received the Gospel directly from Jesus!
"I certify you, brethren, that the gospel which was preached of me is not after man.
"I neither received it of man, neither was I taught it, but by the revelation of Jesus Christ." Galatians 1:11,12
"For I have received of the Lord that which also I delivered unto you..." 1 Corthinians 15:23
troysz 7 months ago
@wjm7259 "THE APOSTLES AND THE DISCIPLES GOT THE GOSPEL BY ORAL TRADITION"
All of the Apostles got the Gospel from Jesus and "witnessed" it not from "oral tradition".
The were right there with him while he lived and when he ascended up into heaven. he told them to wait at Jerusalem until the Holy Ghost would come and that then they would preach the Gospel which they received from him and witnessed first hand.
Now let's see if you will reject the truth or acknowledge it.
troysz 7 months ago
@troysz THE APOSTLES HEARD JESUS AS WELL AS WITNESSING HIS MIRACLES , BUT THE GOSPELS RECORD WHAT JESUS SAID IN HIS TEACHINGS. THIS SPOKEN TEACHING IS ORAL TRADITION PRECISELY BECAUSE JESUS DID NOT WRITE IT IN HIS OWN HAND. THE APOSTLES HAD AUTHORITY TO SPEAK IN HIS NAME. THEY DID NOT HAVE TO WRITE HIS TEACHINGS DOWN AND WERE NOT COMMANDED TO WHILE JESUS WAS ALIVE
wjm7259 7 months ago
@wjm7259 "THE APOSTLES HEARD JESUS AS WELL AS WITNESSING HIS MIRACLES "
Thanks for repeating what I just posted in answer to your false claim right here;
""THE APOSTLES AND THE DISCIPLES GOT THE GOSPEL BY ORAL TRADITION"
Your former post is a lie and contradicts what the Apostles themselves said. They did not get the Gospel by oral tradition. You post in response to mine does not address what you said. You are now backstepping; and very poorly
troysz 7 months ago
@wjm7259 Correction you now sidestepping and very poorly.
troysz 7 months ago
@wjm7259 " TRADITION PRECISELY BECAUSE JESUS DID NOT WRITE IT IN HIS OWN HAND."
Wrong again! Something is not "tradition" as you say "precisely" because the speaker does not write it down. If I give a lecture and no one writes down what I say my words are not "tradition" just because they were not writtten down.
It takes more than merely not writing oral infromation down to make it tradition (even information passed from several people to others).
troysz 7 months ago
@wjm7259 If I gave a lecture on Koine Greek, and several in the audience passed on what I said to 5 other people per day for the next month and then a month later someone writes down what they were told that I said; even this is not tradition.
Passing on information orally in and of itself does not constitute tradition.
troysz 7 months ago
@troysz TRADITON COMES FROMTHE LATIN WORD TRADERE WHICH MEANS TO HAND DOWN AND IN THIS CASE JESUS TEACHINGS WERE TAOUGHT ORALLY NOT WRITTEN AND HANDED DOWN FROM THE APOSTLES IN FIRST CORINTHIAN YOU QUOTE PAUL SA SAYING WHAT THE LORD HANDED DOWN TO ME. IT WAS NOT WRITTEN AND JESUS DID NOT SPEAK TO PAUL AFTER GOOD FRIDAY NOR WA HE PRESENT AT THE LAST SUPPER HE LEARNED IT ONLY LATER AS IT WAS HANDED DOWN TO HIM . ALL OF JESUS TEACHINGS WERE ORIGINALLY DELIVERED VIA TRADITION FROM JESUS
wjm7259 7 months ago
@wjm7259 The oral teaching of Moses was authoritative because God chose him to deliver the Law to Israel and spoke directly to him. The same is true of Jesus and the Apostles their oral teaching was uniquely authoritative because their words came from God. Aaron word's were not authoritative he could not add 5 more commandments. Israel would not have accepted them. This is the mistake that Catholics and Protestants both make; they fail to recoginize the unique authority that certain had.
troysz 7 months ago
@troysz HICH PROVES THE POINT THAT TRADIDION IS AUTHORITATIVE AND NOT JUST WRITTEN SCRIPTURE
wjm7259 7 months ago
@wjm7259 'HICH PROVES THE POINT THAT TRADIDION IS AUTHORITATIVE AND NOT JUST WRITTEN SCRIPTURE"
Before talking about what was proved you should 1st admit that your post was false.
"THE APOSTLES AND THE DISCIPLES GOT THE GOSPEL BY ORAL TRADITION."
You are still trying to avoid that I see.
It does not prove that "tradition" is authoritative it prooves that the teaching of those whom God gave direct revelation to was authoritative whether spoken or written.
troysz 7 months ago
@troysz WHICH IS THE CATHOLIC CHURCH
wjm7259 7 months ago
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@wjm7259 'WHICH IS THE CATHOLIC CHURCH"
There is no Catholic church in any of the Apostles' or Jesus' teaching just "the church" or "Christians".
So since Jesus chose the Apostles to give the church its traditions and not one of them said to call the church "the Catholic church".
Israel's name is in the Bible so is Rome's. Are we to believe that God would not have had the Apostles who founded the church to name it? Also there are no Popes, rosaries, Catholic priests. etc. either
troysz 7 months ago
troysz 7 months ago
@wjm7259 The authority is not in the tradition but in the person whom gave has given authority to deliever it.
The Apostles were authorized by God to establish the church and to teach it what things it shoul follow.
They like Moses got their authority and teaching directly from God and not as you false claimed through oral tradition.
troysz 7 months ago
@wjm7259 The Pharisees made the same arraogant mistake. They reaoned; "If Moses' oral teaching was authoritative than so is ours". However God dod not choose them to deliver the Law. At best they could keep it 1st and teach it but it did not come from God to them and then to Israel.
The same is true of the traditions that the church was to follow. According to Paul God gave them to the Apostles to give to the church. The church was to keep them not add to them.
troysz 7 months ago
@troysz THAT IS WHAT ORAL TRADITION IS. AND TH CHURCH DID NOT ADD TO THEM, SHE ONLY TEACHES WHAT WAS GIVEN TO HER
wjm7259 7 months ago
@wjm7259 "THAT IS WHAT ORAL TRADITION IS. AND TH CHURCH DID NOT ADD TO THEM, SHE ONLY TEACHES WHAT WAS GIVEN TO HER"
It was not a tradition practiced by the Apostles or the 1st century church to call the Church Catholic or practice Catholic traditions.
Also list for me the traditions which the Apostles taught the church that were not written down that passed down orally.
Then give me your proof that they came from the Apostles.
troysz 7 months ago
@wjm7259 I'll make it easy on you.
Just give me a list of just 5 traditions that the Apostles taught the 1st century church that were never written down.
Then give me your proof that they came from the Apostles.
Just 5 is all I ask.
If you can do this I'll join the Catholic church.
troysz 7 months ago
@troysz st john in his gospel says thta there are many other things that jesus said that were not written down. so we know that he left oral teaching. Rosary's are not extra biblical they are a veryeffective way of reading the gospels, be cause that is where all of the info in the rosary mysteries comes from.
wjm7259 7 months ago
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@wjm7259 "st john in his gospel says thta there are many other things that jesus said that were not written down"
This is yet another lie. St. John did not say that are "many things that Jesus said that were not written".
John said that were "many other signs that Jesus did that were not written"
This is the exact quote from the BIble.......
troysz 7 months ago
@wjm7259 "And many other signs truly did Jesus in the presence of his disciples, which are not written in this book:
But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name." John 20: 30,31
Note that it then says that what was written was written that we "might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name."
troysz 7 months ago
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@wjm7259 So what was written is enough for
1. us to believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God
2. and that believing we may have life through his name
So it does not say what you claimed that there is anything that was nto written that we need to believe or to have eternal life.
troysz 7 months ago
@wjm7259 "so we know that he left oral teaching"
Your claim to know this was based on a lie about what John wrote. If you know that Jesus and the Apostles left teaching that was never written you would list what they are.
Just saying that they left oral teaching proves nothing.......what are they? List them form me.
You can't list any, because the truth is you don't know of one single one.
You are just blinding repeating what you were told and that you accepted with no proof.
troysz 7 months ago
@troysz As he told the apostles especially peter that the gates of hell willl not prevail against the church, so wahtever it is as I am not a professional church historian they must be tru as the church cannot teach error so i imagine that th doctrines of the immacculate conception 7 assumption while implicitly found in scripture are more profundly taught in thhis oral teaching. Jesus di dot teach sola scriptura. that heretical idea IS a tradition of man
wjm7259 7 months ago
@wjm7259 You still have not given me one single oral tradition taught by either Jesus or the Apostles.
You are blindly believing in some mythical oral traditions which you have never even seen. If this is not true then produce them. You cannot because they do not exist.
troysz 7 months ago
@wjm7259 "“I am not a professional church historian”
Nor am I and yet I have exposed several lies that you have posted in here, such as;
“THE APOSTLES AND THE DISCIPLES GOT THE GOSPEL BY ORAL TRADITION.”
and
“st john in his gospel says thta there are many other things that jesus said that were not written down.”
I was able to expose your twsiting of scripture not becaause I am a "professional church historian" but because I obey God's word and "study to show myself approved"
troysz 7 months ago
@wjm7259 “so i imagine”
And therein lies one of your errors; you do not know anything, by your own words you "imagine" or assume things to be true without verifying any of it.
God’s word instructs to you to
"study to show yourself approved”
he did not say for you to imagine that everything religious leaders tell you is true as you have.
“Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.”
troysz 7 months ago
@wjm7259 “the church cannot teach error”
Again you are in error.
There was doctrinal error in the Galatian church, and several of the churches mentioned at the beginning of Revelation. In each case it was an Apostls that God used to warn the churches of their error.
“So hast thou also them that hold the doctrine of the Nicolaitanes, which thing I hate.” Rev 2:15
troysz 7 months ago
@wjm7259 Paul himself warned the Ephesians that;
“For I know this, that after my departing shall grievous wolves enter in among you, not sparing the flock. Also of your own selves shall men arise, speaking perverse things, to draw away disciples after them.” Acts 20: 29,30
So according to Paul false teachers would arise even within the church.
The church can teach error when it like you decide to follow traditions which you cannot prove are oral teaching from the Apostles
troysz 7 months ago
@wjm7259 So I ask you again I ask you since you claim that there are oral teaching that Jesus and the Apostles taught which were not written then give me a list of just 5 of them. Then give me your proof that they came from either Jesus or the Apostles.
troysz 7 months ago
@troysz The first Christians "devoted themselves to the apostles’ teaching" (Acts 2:42) long before there was a New Testament. From the very beginning, the fullness of Christian teaching was found in the Church as the living embodiment of Christ, not in a book. . Paul himself gives a quotation from Jesus that was handed down orally to him: "It is more blessed to give than to receive" (Acts 20:35).
This saying is not recorded in the Gospels and must have been passed on to Paul
stevesilvia 7 months ago
@stevesilvia "From the very beginning, the fullness of Christian teaching was found in the Church"
Incorrect! If the "fullness of Christtian teaching was in Jesus who passed it on to the Apostles who taught it to the church".
If the "fullness of Christian teaching was then in the church" then the chuches such as some seen in Rev would not have accepted and taught false doctrine.
The Galatian church would not have been open to a false gospel from the Judaizers.
troysz 7 months ago
@stevesilvia " When the full embodiment of teaching exist in you, you do not need and Apostle to tell you what Jesus wants you to do and practice.
When doctrinal issues arouse at Galatia the church did not correct itself by it own knowledge. Instead Jesus who is "the fullness of Christian teaching" used Paul (an Apostles) to correct them.
When doctrinal issues arose at Corinth, Pergamos, Thyatira, those churches did not correct themselves. Instead Jesus used an Apostle to do so.
troysz 7 months ago
@stevesilvia "Paul himself gives a quotation from Jesus that was handed down orally to him: "It is more blessed to give than to receive" (Acts 20:35).
This saying is not recorded in the Gospels and must have been passed on to Paul
And this reveals one of your common error because you do not know the scriptures.
Most of what Paul taught the church then is not recorded in the Gospels because Paul received his teaching directly from Jesus himself not through "oral tradition"
troysz 7 months ago
@stevesilvia Paul did not even receive the Gospel itself through "oral tradition" by directly from Jesus "I certify you, brethren, that the gospel which was preached of me is not after man. For I neither received it of man, neither was I taught it, but by the revelation of Jesus Christ."
and church tradiion
"I have received of the Lord that which also I delivered unto you"
I accept where Paul says he got his teaching over where you say he got it.
troysz 7 months ago
@stevesilvia According to Pau's own words he did not even receive the Gospel itself through "oral tradition" but directly from Jesus "I certify you, brethren, that the gospel which was preached of me is not after man. For I neither received it of man, neither was I taught it, but by the revelation of Jesus Christ."
and church tradiion
"I have received of the Lord that which also I delivered unto you"
I accept where Paul says he got his teaching over where you say he got it.
troysz 7 months ago
@troysz What I am saying is that Paul's words are an example of oral tradition....which means repeating what they heard....The words Paul quoted from Jesus are not in the gospel, thus it is "oral tradition"....
stevesilvia 7 months ago
@stevesilvia
"Paul's words are an example of oral tradition"
Paul writing what Jesus told him through devine revelation is not oral tradition.
As I have already pointed the content of most of Paul's epistles is not in the Gospel; that does not make his epistles oral tradition.
Jesus told Paul; "my grace is sufficient"; that is not in the gospel, and Paul wrote it in one of his letter to the Corinthian church.
Yet it is not oral tradition.
"
troysz 7 months ago
@stevesilvia To this day no Catholic has been able to produce any list of oral traditions that originated from Jesus which were never written but past down just orally.
Why? because none exist.
You can't produce any either.
Why? because none exist.
troysz 7 months ago
@troysz I gave you proof....
stevesilvia 7 months ago
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@stevesilvia " I gave you proof...."
You have not given me any list of
"oral traditions that originated from Jesus which were never written but past down just orally."
and you never will becuse as you and I both know none exist.
troysz 7 months ago
@troysz Acts 20:35 Paul told people “to remember the words of the
Lord Jesus, how he said, ‘It is more blessed to give than to receive.’”
Since Jesus never made such a biblical statement, by your interpretations, isn't Paul guilty of
deception?
stevesilvia 7 months ago
@stevesilvia "Since Jesus never made such a biblical statement, by your interpretations, isn't Paul guilty of deception?
The only deception here is yours.
Paul by his own words received what he taught the church directly form Jesus and in many cases there was no such prior statement from Jesus,
For example Jesus told Paul "my grace is sufficient" directly and gave the church what Jesus said.
As Paul said, "I have received of the Lord that which also I delivered unto you"
troysz 7 months ago
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@troysz THE APOSTLES HEARD JESUS AS WELL AS WITNESSING HIS MIRACLES , BUT THE GOSPELS RECORD WHAT JESUS SAID IN HIS TEACHINGS. THIS SPOKEN TEACHING IS ORAL TRADITION PRECISELY BECAUSE JESUS DID NOT WRITE IT IN HIS OWN HAND. THE APOSTLES HAD AUTHORITY TO SPEAK IN HIS NAME. THEY DID NOT HAVE TO WRITE HIS TEACHINGS DOWN AND WERE NOT COMMANDED TO WHILE JESUS WAS ALIVE .
wjm7259 7 months ago
Man, people are still believing this stuff? i thought that was just something they taught us as kids. Like the tooth fairy, or santa.
hawadjie 1 year ago
afterall the Bible was written by members of the Catholic Church....the OT in use by the early Church was indeed the Septuagint as most of the early Christian only knew Greek. The NT as we know it, did not get codified into a "canon" until the mid-300s. So, one could say that the Bible is a part of Sacred Tradition. What is so funny about the anti-Catholics who post is they are ignorant of both history and the Orthodox Christians.
burkardhanis 1 year ago
may god have mercy on these people who call themselves catholics.
why would anyone choose to find salvation in a church-
when jesus said- i am the way..
jesus is coming back soon
people seek him while you can.
999Thip 1 year ago
@999Thip, the Church is the body of Christ. "Now you are the body of Christ, and each one of you is a part of it. And in the church God has appointed first of all apostles, second prophets, third teachers, then workers of miracles, also those having gifts of healing, those able to help others, and those with gifts of administration..." 1 Corinthians 12:27 -28 Is that clear enough for you? That is where we find salvation, in Jesus. Your protest against the Church, is a protest against Christ.
stevesilvia 1 year ago
@stevesilvia i agree that ones finds salvation in jesus christ.
one must ask jesus into their heart, turn from their sins.
read gods word . pray with every breath.
i really dont believe in triditions of men, the sign of the cross, or the belief that mary can do anything for you. i believe the catholic church has gone astray,
i believe they spend too much time on tridition, and less time on jesus.
i believe its all about jesus and what happen on the cross..
god bless you.
999Thip 1 year ago
@999Thip define "traditions of men..."
stevesilvia 1 year ago
@stevesilvia the mass, the rosary,praying to other gods, and mary.
incence
i can go on,but you know what im talking about.
999Thip 1 year ago
@999Thip
"you know what im talking about."
Nope. We don't.
mapollo 1 year ago
@999Thip, sorry, I don't follow your train of thought. The Mass is the way the first Christians worshiped, and is still the same today. Thats in your history books ...I can go on and on too, but you know what I'm talking about. If you have a question just ask.
stevesilvia 1 year ago
@stevesilvia question to you-- how do you know your saved from hell??
999Thip 1 year ago
@999Thip, answer my question first, then I will answer yours. You cannot come here and dance from issue to issue, this is a sharing channel, not a barking channel.
stevesilvia 1 year ago
@stevesilvia tell me your question again please..
999Thip 1 year ago
@999Thip, you said you didn't believe in the traditions of men...Please tell me what traditions you don't understand.
stevesilvia 1 year ago
@stevesilvia whats with the sign of the cross with your right hand everythime you pass a catholic church??
and during the mass ??
the rosary ?? what gives ?? no where in the bible can you find it..
not eating meat on friday during lent ??
oh yea, the water in the little bowl,to dip your finger to do the sign of the cross.
can you sir tell me. better then that-show me where in the bible you find this.
the bible please..
999Thip 1 year ago
@999Thip
"You search the scriptures, because you think you have eternal life through them; even they testify on my behalf. But you do not want to come to me to have life. I do not accept human praise; moreover, I know that you do not have the love of God in you."
John 5:39-42
mapollo 1 year ago
@999Thip The history of the sign of the cross goes back as far as Tertullian, the early church father who lived between 160 and 220 A.D. (the first Christians). While the Bible does not instruct us to cross ourselves, the sign of the cross is not without biblical symbolism. The shape of the sign is a reminder of the cross of Christ. "In the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit... Rev: 14:1 and Rev 9:4. So you can see the first Christians used this short prayer...
stevesilvia 1 year ago
@stevesilvia so you know we are not instructed to do it,
but yet you still do it..
thats my point,
999Thip 1 year ago
@999Thip
I'm interested in selling my youngest daughter into slavery - Exodus 21:7. She's in 2nd year college, speaks fluent Italian, always cleared the table when it was her turn. What would a good price for her be?
It’s in scripture. Are you doing it?
My assistant (I’m the boss at work) insists on working on the Sabbath. Exodus 35:2 clearly says he should be put to death. Am I morally obligated to kill him myself or is it okay to call the police?
It’s in scripture. Are you doing it?
mapollo 1 year ago
@mapollo god almighty will not be mocked..
you sir will answer to the living god,
you sir will have to give an account for your mocking .
pray that you wont be casted into the lake of fire,
where there is weeping and gnashing of teeth.
may god have mercy on your soul..
999Thip 1 year ago
@999Thip
"mapollo god almighty will not be mocked."
Most certainly. But if I'm not mistaken...you are not God!!
So you are fair game. If you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen.
mapollo 1 year ago
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@999Thip
Remember what Jesus said? Sounds like you?
"You search the scriptures, because you think you have eternal life through them; even they testify on my behalf. But you do not want to come to me to have life. I do not accept human praise; moreover, I know that you do not have the love of God in you."
John 5:39-42
mapollo 1 year ago
@999Thip
Now, touching the skin of a dead pig makes one unclean, right? Leviticus 11:7. If we promise to wear gloves, can we still play football?
It’s in scripture. Are you doing it?
Does the whole town really have to be together to stone my brother John for planting different crops side by side?
It’s in scripture. Are you doing it?
Can I burn my mother in a small family gathering for wearing garments made from two different threads?
It’s in scripture. Are you doing it?
mapollo 1 year ago
@mapollo its clear to see one does not understand that we are no longer under the law of moses, but under the law of grace.
jesus came to forfil the law.
if one is in the flesh-he can not understand the things of the sprit,
i pray you will over come your pride,
seek jesus while you can, repent of your sins, ask jesus for his sprit,and wisdom.
may the sprit of jesus be with you forever..
999Thip 1 year ago
@999Thip
Do you greet your brothers & sisters in Christ with a Holy Kiss?
Romans 16:16 says,“Salute one another with an holy kiss.”
It's clearly in scripture. Don't you do it?
mapollo 1 year ago
@mapollo with a high five, is that ok with you.
999Thip 1 year ago
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@999Thip
"with a high five, is that ok with you."
Nope. Is a 'high five' in scripture? Nope.
mapollo 1 year ago
@999Thip
Why don't you have signs following you?
Jesus said in Mark 16:17-20,“And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues; (18) They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.”
It's clearly in scripture. Don't you do it?
mapollo 1 year ago
@mapollo you better believe it.
999Thip 1 year ago
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@999Thip
"you better believe it"
I don't. Your attitude suggests otherwise.
mapollo 1 year ago
@999Thip
Why didn't you sell all of your belongings and share everything?
Like in Acts 2:45,“And sold their possessions and goods, and parted them to all men, as every man had need.”
It's clearly in scripture. Don't you do it?
mapollo 1 year ago
@mapollo god has blessed me .
what i have giving away, god has blessed me 10 times more
the more i give to another, god repays me back in abundence,
why do you think america has been blessed all these yrs.
999Thip 1 year ago
@999Thip
"why do you think america has been blessed "
God bless all mankind...not countries. Sorry to burst your bubble.
mapollo 1 year ago
@999Thip
When someone is sick, do your Elders come over and anoint the sick with oil and pray for healing?
James 5:14 asks,“Is any sick among you? Let him call for the elders of the church; and let them pray over him, anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord.”
It's clearly in scripture. Don't you do it?
mapollo 1 year ago
@mapollo yes i have a strong belief in prayer,
prayer works--
we should be praying to jesus with every breath
999Thip 1 year ago
@999Thip
Don’t you meet together, everyday like the early church did?
Acts 2:46,“Every day they continued to meet together in the temple courts.”
It's clearly in scripture. Don't you do it?
mapollo 1 year ago
@mapollo if there were other believers in the gospel of jesus christ i would.
why do you think im writing to you now ??
the question is what are you doing on line, are you not living in america ?
are there not any believers in jesus there.
999Thip 1 year ago
@999Thip
"are there not any believers in jesus there."
You are speaking to one right now..
mapollo 1 year ago
@999Thip
Then I take it you do none of those things I listed in scripture....
You are making hypocrisy a virtue. Not Christ like at all. Learn some humility.
mapollo 1 year ago
@999Thip
Its a funny thing...the first Christians were doing what we do today...I guess they were wrong for 2000 years...and suddenly you are right?
Naw..try again.
mapollo 1 year ago
@mapollo like you really know what those people were doing 2000 yrs ago.
you cant even tell me what is going on in washington, or whats in that socialist heathcare bill,
you believe in what is being taught to you,
wake up and seek jesus while you can, our time is short here on earth, your not promiced tomorrow, and your talking about how proud you are that your church does certain things, which can give you no salvation..
repent and seek jesus ..
999Thip 1 year ago
@999Thip
"like you really know what those people were doing 2000 yrs ago."
I have a pretty good idea...I have a degree in history and a masters in library science. What are your credentials.
"you cant even tell me what is going on in washington"
Who cares. I'm not american.
mapollo 1 year ago
@999Thip, grow up, thats not what I said....I said the prayer has been said since the first Christians did it...."In the name of the Father, and the Son and the Holy Spirit" read Matthew 28:19...(here is a clue....it's in the bible). The first Christians did it and have done so for centuries to today. except for the protestants.... That's my point
stevesilvia 1 year ago
@stevesilvia
".I said the prayer has been said since the first Christians"
Yes...and since the very first Christians were Jews, the kernel of much of our prayers can be found in Judaism...which can be found in the OT. :)
mapollo 1 year ago
@stevesilvia we are to worship jesus in sprit,
all this other stuff is from man, and it will draw your attention away from jesus.
this is why the catholic church has been led astray, and its in the flesh and not the sprit.
one must understand its not what we can do ourselves that can save us, its what jesus has done on the cross, he alone is worthy .
all this sign of the cross, and the rosary, and the candles and having a cross in our car, and burning palms, all this means nothen, seek jesus
999Thip 1 year ago
@stevesilvia we can make an excuse for just about anything,
but when we know that something is wrong,and we still do it,
it seems jesus is knocking on our door of our heart,
saying, let me in..
why are you not opening that door?
let jesus in, enough with flesh and your catholic church.
let jesus in and have eternal life..
god bless you.
999Thip 1 year ago
@999Thip, I'm not making any excuse, I'm telling you facts and history...which you seem to have ignored. Are you telling me the first Christians were wrong??? You ignore the truth and go around telling people to find Jesus...Wake up buddy, you're so blind that you can't see a Christian when he is standing in front of your face...Why? It's because you have been taught to not listen, and to reject everything you don't understand....
stevesilvia 1 year ago
@stevesilvia you may have a point, since im self taught and believe in the words of the bible, and trust and led in the sprit,
i choose not to be led away by things in the flesh.
since i believe that it is through faith one is saved, going about the catholic way,and all the other gods, and works, and ect,
just does not fit in.
we have but one time to get this right, and im not going to leave it up to sinful men..
but i have no ill feelings towards you , pal..
999Thip 1 year ago
@999Thip Don't leave it up to anyone, go and study....
stevesilvia 1 year ago
@stevesilvia im all for that..
999Thip 1 year ago
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AzerChristians 1 year ago
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jmoonsuede 1 year ago
praying a 'rosary' is BLASPHEMIC to the LORD GOD & SAVIOR.
eatatmargos 1 year ago
@eatatmargos, the rosary is a collection of Scripture prayed and time spent remembering the events in Jesus life. You should stop listening to the lies taught to you by your church.
stevesilvia 1 year ago 6
@stevesilvia ah yea... the BIBLE says to venerate Mary in prayer? It also tells you to start the Maryology CULT & make her co-redeemer??? Your poop's have seen fit to make that part of the DOGMA that IS catholicism. I got news for you. Acts & Revelations is speaking DIRECTLY to catholicism & it IS the HARLOT that will be DESTROYED. those are CHRIST's WORDS, not mine.
eatatmargos 1 year ago
@stevesilvia the harrychristinas do the same thing
999Thip 1 year ago
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@999Thip
"the harrychristinas do the same thing"
Do you hang around airports with tamborines?
mapollo 1 year ago
Howbeit in vain do they worship me teachings for doctrines the commandments of men. Full well ye reject the commandments of GOD, that ye may keep your own tradition. -Mark 7:7-9.
catholicism is about PAGANISM & traditions of MEN, not CREATOR GOD.
eatatmargos 1 year ago
Mark 7:8-9, "Neglecting the commandment of God, you hold to the tradition of men. He was also saying to them, You nicely set aside the commandment of God in order to keep your tradition."
Matthew 6:7 "And when you are praying, do not use meaningless repetition as the Gentiles do, for they suppose that they will be heard for their many words.
Primeda 1 year ago
@Primeda, ok, then explain why in the book of Revelations, the angels repeat over and over, "Holy, Holy, Holy, Lord God Almighty..." and explain why Jesus went to the garden and repeated the same prayer three times to the Father, "If it is possible, Let this cup pass me by..." Your interpretation of Scriptures is wrong. By your interpretation, how many times can I say the "Lords Prayer" today?? Is twice too much of a repetition???
stevesilvia 1 year ago
@stevesilvia vain repetition is referring to meaningless prayers such as the mind numbing rosary chant: hail mary, hail mary, hail mary, hail mary in which catholics not only repeat meaningless words but also try to communicate with the dead which is strictly forbidden in scripture.
rusda2 1 year ago
@rusda2, you have no idea what you are babbling about ...The prayer said in the Rosary, the "Hail Mary" is simply Scripture which is prayed. You seem to imply that Scripture is meaningless words?? Ha, I doubt that you even took the time to research any of this, that is why I say you are just babbling here.
stevesilvia 1 year ago
hi steve, sorry but repeating "hail mary" multiple times does not constitute a prayer by any stretch of the imagination. no I dont seem to imply that, you are implying that. are you implying that the angel was praying to mary? where does scripture say: 1- we should pray to dead people? 2- mary was assumed into heaven? 3- we need a "pope"? I know you guys put tradition above scripture, it's in your own writings, so any explanation you give is a waste of time.
rusda2 1 year ago
@rusda2 here is your quote..."vain repetition is referring to meaningless prayers such as the mind numbing rosary chant: hail mary, hail mary, hail mary, hail mary in which catholics not only repeat meaningless words" Did you forget what you said?? Do you even know what the words are in the "Hail Mary"? read my lips...We pray the Scripture... Thats something that has been done since old testament days...
stevesilvia 1 year ago
@stevesilvia you are praying to a dead woman. the bible forbids communication with the dead. marian "apparitions" are nothing more than spirits of devils working miracles. the catholic church is very big on miracles and will be easily deceived by satan to believe they are from God. stigmata, mary/statues crying blood, mary in a piece of burnt toast etc, its all satanic foolishness which will cause many catholics to lose salvation by believing the lies. "hello mary" twenty times is meaningless.
rusda2 1 year ago
@rusda2, I'm not talking about every apparition someone claims to see. I'm talking about the words of the Hail Mary prayer....Why are you avoiding the issue? Do you want me to give you the chapter and verse in the bible to the words of the Hail Mary? Remember, in Scripture Mary says "All generations shall call me blessed".
stevesilvia 1 year ago
@stevesilvia Im not avoiding anything. yes give me chapter/verse where God says we should pray to mary please, love to see that.
also, by "prayer-izing" the hail mary salutation you are unwittingly saying that the angel was praying to mary. it was a greeting, not prayer. angels are sinless, mary was not. mankind, being sinful, are lower lower than the angels, mary is of mankind, she was a sinner like you/me, yet catholics want to make her equal with God. calling her blessed is not a prayer.
rusda2 1 year ago
@rusda2, we use the words of Scripture to pray. That is what the first Christians did. That is what Jesus did. Remember the words of Jesus on the cross? Prayer comes in many forms as the bible states, thanksgiving, intercessory, worship, ect...Thus, we use the words of Scripture in prayer. The angel was not praying to Mary, but if Scripture is the inspired word of God, then we also are inspired to repeat the words of Scripture.
stevesilvia 1 year ago
@stevesilvia what good does it do to say "hi mary, hi mary, hi mary, hi mary" repeatedly? that is not a prayer.
again, where does it say we should pray to mary or any other dead person?
have a good night.
rusda2 1 year ago
@rusda2
Matthew 26:44: "And he left them, and went away again, and prayed the third time, saying the same words". Mark 14:39 reads: "And again he went away, and prayed, and spake the same words."
mapollo 1 year ago
@mapollo Hi Map! good to hear from you again :)
I think one of the main issues here is that we shouldnt pray to mary at all because she is dead. the bible clearly forbids communicating with the so called spirits of the dead which are in reality spirits of devils working miracles to deceive people. any "appearance" of mary is not mary at all but a devil personating mary. satan will personate Christ as well.
saying hi mary, hi mary, certainly qualifies as vain/worthless, she cant help anyone.
rusda2 1 year ago
@rusda2
Hi rusda....
We don't believe Mary is 'dead', and is able to do as she did on earth..(Wedding @ Canna). Some Catholics abuse this concept . We are asking her to pray FOR us. And you are probably aware of the passages in Revelation which speaks to this.
As for 'vain' or 'worthless', the intent is the issue. Christ prayed in the Garden, as Mathew 14:39 says 'and he spoke the same words'. And I think you would agree that His words are not vain or worthless....
P+B
mapollo 1 year ago
@mapollo Hi Map, yes I understand the catholic belief that mary can help them by interceding (mediatrix/co-redemtrix) for them, but as you know the scripture says we have only one Intercessor/Mediator/Redeemer and that is Jesus Christ the Righteous.
Of course Christs words are not worthless. Christ was praying to the Living God Who indeed can help. However praying to a dead person for help would be a futile prayer, even if the person praying thought the dead person could pray for them.
rusda2 1 year ago
@rusda2
Then we'll leave it at that.
mapollo 1 year ago
@mapollo nice chatting man, take care till next we meet :)
rusda2 1 year ago
@rusda2
Pace e bene
mapollo 1 year ago
@rusda2
Revelation 4:8: "...and they rest not day and night, saying, Holy, holy, holy, Lord God Almighty, which was, and is, and is to come."
mapollo 1 year ago
@stevesilvia I would recite the OUR FATHER as many times as pleases me... THAT prayer came STRAIGHT from the SON. You CAN NOT take a piece of scripture here & another from there about someone that has NOTHING to do with SALVATION & think you are praying to the CREATOR... HE IS A JEALOUS GOD.
eatatmargos 1 year ago
Colossians 2:8
Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.
"Why do ye also transgress the commandment of God by your tradition? [Y]e made the commandment of God of none effect by your tradition. Ye hypocrites."
--Jesus Christ Matthew 15:3, 6, 7
kiwichristian2009 2 years ago
kiwichristian2009, you have no idea what you are speaking of. The first Christians were taught by the traditions and teachings of the Apostles and Disciples. Oral tradition was the ONLY teaching they had, because the Bible did not exist then.
stevesilvia 2 years ago 4
The 15 decade Rosary is an Allegory for the 150 psalms
AtheismisNothingness 2 years ago
the gospel itself is the product of tradition. Jesus himslf did not write any of his teachings while he was alive. Na di not command the apostles to do the same..whoever hears you, hears me
wjm7259 2 years ago
godbless the holy roman catholic church
chymee 2 years ago
Amen!
hiswife2002 2 years ago
true Jesus is the Rock which the church is built on. Remember many are cold but only a few are chosen
MrSoullyricist 2 years ago
godbless the holy roman catholic church..
chymee 2 years ago
But i kno u will say it was Jesus when He talked with peter in Mat 16:18. But thats just a lie, because gregory was the first pope not "peter".
A little clarity peter in the greek is petros meaning little pabble, but Jesus says upon this Rock [the greek there is Petra maning large Rock, i will build my church...
ANYWAY ONES AGAIN PEOPLE READ THE WORD FOR URSELF TRUST NOT IN MAN.
MrSoullyricist 2 years ago
let me add: the Petra thing there, it's Jesus. He is the Rock on which the church of the bible (called Church of God) will be built.
ShinnoHitoki000 2 years ago
Exd 20V3-4 Thou shalt have no other gods before me.
Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness [of any thing] that [is] in heaven above, or that [is] in the earth beneath, or that [is] in the water under the earth:
whr should i start with ur catholic Idolotry yal have an endless list of saints which only came into the church after Constantine "legalized" christianity in a pagan rome. Becides who gave catholicity it's powerful grounding, it wasn't jesus, it was Agustine
MrSoullyricist 2 years ago
But the Comforter, [which is] the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you. Here is the tricky part that which God spoke against the catholics practice, belive me i;m more than qualified i attended catholic churches for yrs. u still haven't cleared up the issue of infant baptism, the rosery, which is also found in buhdism, hinduism, islam, bahai, catholic but NOT IN THE BIBLE
MrSoullyricist 2 years ago
MrSoullyricist......same argument as all protestants make...old, tired. Jesus is of course the FOUNDATION, but Peter, whom he told three times to "Feed My Sheep," is the ROCK upon which His Church is to be built.
It's funny that protestants are always SO literal on everything, excpet John 6, The Bread of Life narrative, and on the "Rock." Everywhere else, you are literal. Did Jesus give you the power to pick & choose those things you accept and reject? Private interpretation is forbidden.
BigBingFan 2 years ago
Correction the information i typed before isn't church doctrine i'm quiet capable of reasoning on my own. since my basis is the scriptures and not tradition, would u care to show me in the King James bible whr a Man has the power to speak infallably. Give me a scripture that says we require a pope before we can attain any understanding of the scriptures, oh here is a good one. Jhn 14:26
MrSoullyricist 2 years ago
to ideas outside the scriptures, it's actually more like practice that which we taught you {scripture} and not your own thing, doesn't translate into venerate mary, introduce child baptism, change the biblical sabath from sat to sun, believe that a man like the pope is infallible, I thought only God is infallible.
IF IT'S NOT IN THE BIBLE BUT IT'S PRACTICED AS THO JESUS TAUGHT IT, YEP SATAN IS BEHIND IT.
MrSoullyricist 2 years ago
MrSoullyricist, what is amazing is that people like you come here and comment without doing any research. Our Pope is not infallible. We never said that, your church teaches you that. The truth is that our pope, after much study, debate, research, and prayer, can make an infallible statement concerning our faith. In fact, over the many years, there have only been a few infallible statements.
stevesilvia 2 years ago
Besides, what good is an infallible book, without an infallible interpreter? Your unqualified, and un-Christ like comment is proof of my claim...You are my brother in Christ, and I will pray for you.
stevesilvia 2 years ago
Very inspiring video, it raised me up!
Thanks!
stancan2 2 years ago 2
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stancan2 2 years ago
Steve:
I keep finding videos that show the Truth so clearly and then, when I look at who posted them, it's so often you. :) Another good one. God bless you for the witness you bear....
hiswife2002 2 years ago 7
Here is a question..........prove God exists in the univerive.....without reverting to the insestuious relationships of Adam and Eve and their sons etc.
cloverfield911 3 years ago
cloverfield911, why would I want to prove it? This is about Faith, believing in what we cannot see. Is that so hard to do? Not really, because we do this everyday in a world where we are told the government can suddenly come up with billions of dollars for bailout, yet we still can't feed and shelter the homeless...
stevesilvia 3 years ago
i am a 9th grade altar server at 2 churches. Last year I made Confirmation, and these videos are just helping me to understand more the role that I took on last year when I was Confirmed. =) Nice videos
katiehawk94 3 years ago
Katie: study catholic doctrine and theology without stopping, because there are enemies all around that would like to see you abandon our God-given Catholic faith.
BiblePreacher454 3 years ago
i no most of my frends dont go 2 church.....well other than my altar server friends. i tell them about it nd they r curious 2 an extent nd then they usually turn me off........
katiehawk94 2 years ago
katiehawk94, that is exactly how I started out. Most people find it hard to speak of Christ, but people like you speak from your heart. You inspire me!!!
stevesilvia 2 years ago
Thank you so much!!!!! it is harder for me to talk abotu God in school. I go to a public school, so I get a lot of critizism just for going to Mass every week. =)
katiehawk94 2 years ago