Hicks and Carlin are beyond the usual train of thought and I really hope Americans grasp reality before it's too late and the USA becomes NAZI Germany...
After reading some of your peoples comments I truly feel let down and disappointed by all of your people..100% of Hicks's message and the majority of Carlin's was TO CHALLENGE THINGS. Contemplate them and form YOUR OWN Opinion on the matter... You people are blindly and in great number falling behind Carlin's shadow and dropping to his knees...
You aren't even taking in his initial message to begin with?!?!?!
Just because you may not agree with the commercial doesn't mean HATE CARLIN 4EVER...
George Carlin isn't a "do what i say not as i do" guy he portrays the opposite constantly so does hicks and any other libertarian..they're not bossy, they're suggestive...not serious, cos you should be lookin after yourself.
the motives of George were his, and has nothing to do with us, and Bill's opinions were his, and even if he was a great thinker, as i think George was, too
both of them are from different generations, education, experiences, motives, and ideas, they don't think the same, and that's better
i think it is very stupid to suggest that george was an hypocrite, or that bill would think something wrong about him, this is misleading
george carlin needed the money. he made a mistake, no one's perfect, even though i like to think georgy is, cuz if anyone is it's him (sorry religous community). he did a commercail, sure, but does that water down all the mental break throughs he had? all the amazing points he had on life, all the realizations he had that he brought to us in the form of comedy? i don't think so. he made a mistake when he was young, don't hang him for it, you've all probably done worse.
The difference between Hicks and Carlin was that Hicks was an Optimist at heart and actually wanted to make the world better, while Carlin believed that there was literally nothing we could do about it sucking. Seeing it from that angle, I think you can see why Hicks was a hold-out and Carlin didn't care that much about his "moral" obligations, he had a message in his words and his act, it would be a massive shame to miss either of their messages for such a personal trifle.
im not sure about anything anymore.is it supporting the tobacco industry by smoking cigs?is it selling out by making a commercial when thats the quickest way to make a buck at time?i dont think either of them sold out because they brought important topics to light and woke people up---stop criticizing them personally.they took thier professions to heart but were still human and not mistake proof.they stood up against the regime.what did u do?or me ?nuthin.we did nothing.so have a nice day
im not sure about anything anymore.is it supporting the tobacco industry by smoking cigs?is it selling out by making a commercial when thats the quickest way to make a buck at time?i dont think either of them sold out because they brought important topics to light and woke people up---stop criticizing them personally.they took thier professions to heart but were still human and not mistake proof.they stood up against the regime.what did u do?
Look at the sadness in Carlin's eyes when he did that commercial.
He clearly isn't a happy man at that point in his life. He didn't do the fake smile to sell that shit. He did it out of a need to sustain his life....nobody should have to stoop to that level of being a marketing prostitute in order to live.
It was an ad for a VHS tape, an extremely useful and heavily utilized device we use to use to record our favorite television shows...SO WE COULD SKIP OVER THE CHEESY COMMERCIALS! BOOM! Carlin wins again!
Carlin: Helping us fastfoward through BS...even when advertising BS
George Carlin was very consistent. As he said we have owners and for not being in their club we have to work for them. Leonardo Da Vinci had to work to the church and he obviously hated it. Are you going to tell me that he wasn't an artist?
Carlins was consistent. As he said we have owners and for not being in their club we have to work for them. Leonardo Da Vinci had to work to the church and he obviously hated it. Are you going to tell me that he wasn't an artist?
Carlins was consistent. As he said we have owners and for not being in their club we have to work for them. Leonardo Da Vinci had to work to the church and he obviously hated it. Are you going to tell me that he wasn't an artist?
@OurTVproductions He wasn't a hypocrite. First of all, Carlin never directly attacked marketing as a whole like Hicks did. He spoke out against pointless American excess. Getting paid to do a commercial gig does not make him a hypocrite for that.
As far as the Hick joke, he was talking about people who make ridiculous salaries and still stoop to commercial gig for small amount of money.
I've come to understand that you can't beat the internet. But I feel that you have to at least try. I agree with you 100%. Thank you for voicing your opinion on this matter.
@OfAllOblivion Actually Bill said that if you're relatively unknown as an entertainer or struggling to get by then there was no shame in doing commercials, his thing problem was with huge name celebrities that didn't need the money.
Carlin Hated advertisement and commercialism and spoke out about how this country eats that shit up...The difference between Carlin and Hicks is that Bill was trying' to open the public's eyes to greedy corporate America while Carlin, an advocate of chaos liked to watch or even join in on the deterioration of society...He just loved when shit went wrong. This country has been going down the toilet for years, might as well make a few bucks before the final flush.
Shit, piss, fuck, cunt, cocksucker, motherfucker and stupid people who quote Bill Hicks out of entire context to throw a pathetic punch at a Legend such as George Carlin.
Bill Hicks & George Carlin = GODS ... pray to them :)))
Bill Hicks is the #1 no matter what. Fucking kill yourself if you can't live with that.
I love George, but his mother and father were in Marketing; therefore it was in his genetics. Something he understood very much. George has a business man inside him. Bill Hicks cannot be fucked with.
I get your point of the video I just think you generalize the Hicks quote. Sure Carlin did a commercial, but he was just an up and comer at that point and it's easy for people to say "Well I don't care if I was starving or whatever I would never be like this or that, etc." It all sounds good until you're desperate and actually in that position. Hick was talking about Leno & other entertainers who didn't need th money and were sell-outs and who don't deserve to be in the presence of Carlin+Hicks
@davesqueakywheels -- it wasn't early in his career that he did a commercial. In fact he was about 40 when he did his last commercials. My stance, you might as well take out the Hick's quote. Essentially what I gave you all was a moral dilemma with a figure whom you all respected. If I tell you now that I believe commercials make us mindless drones and are evil works of the devil and then turn around tomorrow and do a commercial... what would you call me? A hypocrite, right? But not Carlin..
@OurTVproductions : I understand what you're saying, but i think the label "hypocrite" should be attached to someone with a lot more hypocrisy in his life span, than "1 commercial VS hours of comedy and ideas and philosophy". This why i said you should not waste time about this. You're going to do more good to the world,if you spent the same time, spreading Hicks and Carlin to more people. I think you can agree to that :)
@OurTVproductions Even though I agreed with the things he has said, ever since my introduction to a) George Carlin b) The satanic forces at work in our small little world (It is essential that a person knows the things carlin & hicks talk about independently, on their own merit, so by the time carlin & hicks or anyone else speaks on these matters there are right there along with them or they know when they are being fed a line of bs) I have felt that to a degree Carlin was "Permitted" to ( 1/2)
@OurTVproductions (Cont'd) say the things in which he has said.....& throughout his career he only associated himself more with the things he has down talked or advised to avoid, to elaborate. He began as a DJ, to Stand up, to Authoring 2 books, to doing several movies and an appearance on Inside The Actors studio..These things draw him closer to the things he's warning us of.. I do agree with many things Carlin says but I fully agree with you and I just wanted to elaborate on that so ppl can C
I have to say that both Hicks and Carlin (and others) would laugh at your attempt to belittle Carlin. Dont you have anything better to do ? I can suggest something. Listen to what these people had to say, and stop trying to atract attention to yourself with low quality critisism. Thanks.
@exesemas -- It wasn't an attempt to belittle him - I asked a question. There were people on both sides of the dilemma. All I personally implied was that if you're an artist making money by preaching against the evil marketing/commercial world and then going about and actually doing a commercial, or several... was sort of hypocritical to your original stand point. So I suggest you deal with the facts. a) carlin spoke again commercials + b) then did commercials = c) definition of hypocrite
@OurTVproductions : How come you say you love someone who you consider hypocrite? All i'm saying is, that what Carlin said and offered to the world, is much greater than a SINGLE small commercial he once made. (which for all we know, he could have signed while being "high" :P ). Plus as others said, Carlin was against the idea of illussion and false advertising, and the idea that business men lie all the time. He didnt seem as rigid and absolute as Hicks described in his acts.
@exesemas -- and I agree with you. What he offered the world was great art and a fresh perspective. I don't discredit his work because he did a few commercials.
@exesemas -- how can I love someone whom I think is a hypocrite? you mean you've never felt the same? Damn, you must know the most perfect people that I never knew existed.
Its not the point tho is it, at the end of the day US human beings have invented our destruction, money. its an unnatural essence that we need in order to survive in this current monetary system.
Zeitgeit Movement and The Venus Project has a new outlook for a system that makes sense on ever single level. Eliminate human beings from labour the same way have been doing it the last 10,000 years , use technology. Automation, robotics.
true Believers in dem but when the hierarcy in religion is pursuing da same evil agenda as governments and dey distort and dilute da Truth dan is hard for the ppl below 2 wake up 2 reality and truth......the athiests hicks and carlin are much more on Gods Side dan hypocrite christians like george bush and the pope etc...Síochán leat/Peace b wit U....
Love your video thx so much 4 posting it 2 share Truth and Wisdom. Yes there are somethings those of Us who have not Sold or Lost Our Souls still hold Sacred...i.e. Truth, Justice, Freedom, Love, True Strength and Power etc. I love the contradiction dat despite both Bill Hicks and Carlin being athiests they have done much more 2 lead me and others 2 the truth re God dan all dese fake arse religious ppl be dey called jews, christians or muslims....obviously all these religious groups still have
Yeah, because Bill Hicks NEVER took a check from HBO, or SHOWTIME, or anything like that. Both of these GREAT men gained from what they rebelled from. Welcome to capitalism. Where the GREAT get rich from doing what they do best.
with all due respect, if we are going by bill hicks rules about a comedian selling your ass on marketing, then carlins off the hook for the same reason willie nelsons off the hook. BADASS TAX PROBLEMS! the irs fucked the both of them up for a bit there, hence all the comericials. so sorry, but if we are going by billhicks rules, carlins exempt. both still on equal footing. and I think his dedication to opening our eyes sort of yknow FORGIVES HIM?
Ohh... the old "he was too broke at the time or he got taken for a ride by the IRS"... yeah, we've heard that one.
The problem is this, firstly you have a guy like Carlin that no matter what he was going through with the IRS could make more than most of us in a single night of performing (which he loved to do and we loved to watch). So he wasn't a struggling actor who we're all turning the other cheek (as Hicks put it) he's a guy who did a commercial despite speaking against themall his life
And did Carlin do anything else than the Fuji commercials btw? I wouldn't judge him for straying once, unlike Jay Leno!(who Bill Hicks was talking about in the last segment of the video).
Bill used Jay a reference. Hick's was against what he considered feeding the capitalistic whore machine - which included doing their dirty work. See, they have no other 'George Carlins' to sell us products when the George Carlins tell them to fuck off. At that point, marketers are forced to be 'human'. We've been over run and manipulated by marketing for so long that we're nearly blind to its hypnotic and suggestive-ness towards our lifestyle. So again, I love both comedians. It is what it is!
Bill Hicks loved George Carlin and Carlin appriciated Hicks too. The reason why Carlin did the Fuji commercial was because he just didn't give a fuck. He had lost hope for humanity and said that we are nearing the end of our species. For him life was a freak show and it was like a theater. According to him, he had compassion and emphaty for individuals in his heart, but he didn't care humanity as whole.
why are you relating the comment to me of course i think we need real leaders and thinkers whether they are artists , journalists etc
their peronal lives can't be perfect
about GC of course i don't agree with his point of view but at least he had the balls to bother his happy ignorant audience to question everything no matter what his motives are
that what he thought and i can't change it man read his biography or listen to his interviews watch?v=drVXL00i4w4
We don't need real LEADERs, we need real INDIVIDUALS. Do you think the president or congress are better than you ? that they are gifted with some of arcane godly knowlege or thinking you don't possess ? they are no different, and no one should lead the other. Everyone should think with their own mind, and walk their own way. No leader needed.
The question is this- If you came up with a great great invention, and it was a creative and positive thing, and you came up with a cool commercial and it was fun, and the whole thing was a success, would that be 'evil marketing'?? I love Bill Hicks, but was he pointing too many fingers and was it just too idealistic? Realism tends to thump idealism, as we can see by the fact he died so young.
Neah, Hicks was spiritual. Spiritual people try to make a difference whereas others just seek to entertain. They don't feel as much accountable for their actions after all - who's gonna punish them? Carlin snorted a lot of cocaine, smoked a lot of dope - pointed his fingers at a lot of others, namely the big corp machine that he believe help blind us like a blanket over our heads. So to do a commercials for phone companies who rape US!... neah, it was a bad move but he's human. His life was love
george is not a hypocrite. end of story. he knew, and made it clear many times, on how the world works. he knew that money ran the world. personally, i don't care what george had to do to stay afloat in life, he was still the smartest person out there. period.
in fact, he never tried to fight the system, because he's repeatedly said "power does what it wants". i would much rather see him in a commercial than to see him in a cubical taking uncle sams dick up his ass for food every day.
I wouldnt quite say he was more intelligent. But if he had the luxury of living a full life like George did, it'd be interesting to see how he developed. Carlin didn't really get into his thing until well into his career, so yeah.
they are both the smartest and the most outspoken comedians in America
the difference between them is Bill used to do what he says and tried to make a change and fight the system
George said it in an interview that he's more of a spectator he knew change won't come and how stupid people are so he never took action besides comedy
So you're saying that Bill Hicks was just naive and had he lived long enough he'd see the point -- which is according to you and Carlin: "If you can't beat em, join em"
The world needs actual movers and shakers, not just spectators with a gloomy attitude. One man cannot do it all but one man can help remind the world of something which it has forgotten. Hell, just think of Lennon.
But again, was Hick's foolish for chasing after 'young mans dreams'? Or, was Carlin unable to get through?
Ouch....one of my hero's just got a little shit flung at him and it stuck...he is still my hero however...because he is flawed just like me, and heros are people who are ordinary and then do something extra ordinary and as GC grew older he grew wiser and extra ordinary...can we demand more of any man?
He did one commercial for VHS tapes when he needed the money badly. At least it wasn't coca cola or cheetos or something. Some people are just eager to call everyone else a hypocrite.
How do you know he needed the money badly? He was GEORGE FUCKING CARLIN. The guy on his worst day could still book a comedy gig that would pay him more than most of us regular people can earn! So please, stop with the 'he was broke so it was okay for him to do a commercial after spending a life-time's worth of work fighting against a machine he believed was evil and made people stupid. That's not what happened, he lost his faith in his art and in humanity - and burned out.
George Carlin did NOT feel that marketing was evil. He Felt that GLUTTONY was evil. Danny Bonaduce said it best: "It's not money that's the root of all evil, it's the lust for money!" George just did a commercial for a product that I myself thought was the best in it's day.
Did you just quote Danny Bonaduce in defense of capitalism? And I disagree, like Bill Hicks, gluttony isn't the only problem with our current economy and all of our trade/market = illusion.
It's tampered with. It's not the same nor as simple as you and I making an exchange - there are too many dirty little laws in order protect the larger laws which rob us of our personal freedom and make a deeper slave to the ever changing dollar.
I have seen veidos of Bill Hicks showing his deep respect to George Carlin. Carlin never sold products like pespi or coke, or anything that harms people ( He even did children shows). Well mabey a 10 cent phone call might hurt some people which on Complaints and Grievances he calls out on himself as a product seller.
Hicks and Carlin were pointing out the gross marketisation and consumerism of ALL aspects of our society and culture - does every fucking thing need to be a commodity to be bought and sold. Well these guys didnt think so and were warning us all for some time. Pity it takes M.Moore to put it in movie format for USA to understand whats going on with their society which is teetering on the brink of something unknown now!
i think that it's alright for artists to advertise for something as long as they truly believe in the product and can sincerely advertise the shit out of it.
PS Bill Hicks and George Carlin appeared on mainstream talk shows, TV series, movies, and news shows, which are all under corporate control. Everyone's a hypocrite, even the prophets.
I love them both, we all have made contradictions and mistakes. What about the way Hicks supported the tabacco companys by smoking shit loads of cigs huh? And theres nothing republican capitalist love more than support of the tabacco companys.
Carlin was in serious, serious debt at the time he did this commercial. And there are worse companies he could've done this for. He could've been like Bob Dylan, a financially secure rock n' roll legend doing a commercial for Pepsi with Will I Am. I love Dylan's music but that was very low. I don't mind if people do commercials if they absolutely need the money. Even Bill Hicks shares this view, he said himself "if your a young actor, I'll look the other way".
I think hypocrite is a bit much personally, he was a jester at heart with a deep philosophy for getting the word out to help people. His sacrifices were to let the marketing do what they do. There's a certain elasticity an Atheist Comedian has to get the truth out. But I don't ever compare Bill Hicks & George Carlin as "who's better". They're different styles with the same message. That's close to comparing Slayer and 311, 2 legends, they do what they do and love it.
Wow, seeing Carlin do a commercial is pretty painfull.
Media lens just came out with a great piece about advertising aimed at children
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Dan Acuff, notes that until the age of seven children tend to accept television advertising at face value and he advises advertisers how to take advantage of that. For example he tells them that at this age kids are particularly susceptible to give-aways and similar promotions because the critical/logical/rational mind is not yet full developed.
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I admire Bill for how he stayed true to himself and his beliefs but it is very hard to get anywhere in entertainment without doing a commercial. This is one of those "look the other way" cases.
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"...And by the way, should you have any cognitive dissonance as to how I can do commercials for 10-10-220 and still attack advertising up here, well, you're just gonna have to figure that shit out on your own." ~George Carlin
That's a fucking excuse without an explanation, nothing more. Besides "cognitive dissonance"? That's not how Carlin normally spoke - he was very intelligent no doubt but he was more a practical or average speaker, it worked well for him.
but in response to carlin's lack of response, I did figure that shit out for me and it's called 'desparation and hypocrisy'.
Doesn't mean I don't love his comedy and am not thankful for his work on this planet.
Calling George Carlin a hypocrite by using a commercial he made back in the 80's and juxtaposed with something he said in the 2000's and Bill Hick's words (Which, by the way, was not intended for George Carlin) is not a very effective or relevant example. To put it in a simpler way, and to quote the words by George Carlin; "Not to f-ing' bright."
Hicks had tons of respect for Carlin. watch the first related video "Bill Hicks and George Carlin on each other". And making it seem as if Hicks' was talking about Carlin instead of Leno is just sad.
Btw, I don't see Carlin as pessimistic. He simply stated things the way they were, and he got people to think most importantly, and besides that, he was funny as hell. If you want to see pessimistic, then watch some Doug Stanhope. However, I will agree that Hicks was very optimistic with his act, it was always encouraging and uplifting.
Well if you want to straw man tactics. Let me use straw man tactics against Hicks. (Note that I know what I'm about to say is stupid, and in no way do I actually think this of Hicks, it's just an example of straw man tactics).
Hicks often talked about drugs, and how legal drugs were more dangerous than illegal drugs. In on act he said, "Alcohol and cigs kill more people than most illegal drugs, combined". Noting that Hicks smoked cigs, that must make him a hypocrite, right? Se, dumb argument.
I wasn't using a philosophical tactic on you, lol, and your point isn't the same. Hicks was using legal drugs to contrast the illegal drugs. He didn't say that smoking cigarettes were good - in fact, he said that he knows they're satan but "I'm fucking addicted". So you see, you're arguing an addiction equating hypocrisy over actual hypocrisy. Keep your straws, my friend. There's no need to get emo about things - people are people! I just don't see why people can't see it for what it is..
Where are you pulling up your bs quotes from? Hicks often stated that he was sick of people talking about how harmful cigs are and that "they'll just die without ever enjoying a cigarette".
But by your explanation, if Hicks stated that cigs were good, that would make him a hypocrite as well.
Carlin's only words of defense are "If you should have any cognitive dissonance about the fact that I do commercials for 10-10-220 and still attack advertising, well, youre just gonna have to figure that shit out yourself.".
It's very logical to assume that he when he said that (during the middle of his act), that he had better shit to do than stand there and defend himself.
There's another interesting point nobody has brought up - Carlin only started his material about marketing after he'd done the initial commercials. It could be that he attacked it as a result of learning from a mistake, or being angry that he had made such a mistake.
It's very possible that Carlin did the commercials, watched Revelations, agreed with Hicks and later regretted his initial decision.
Well, whoever made this video is basing this "moral dilemma" solely around the idea that Hicks was right to begin with. I'd like to see someone prove that marketing is evil in the first place - unless you can prove Hicks' contention true, this argument is a bit silly.
Hicks was honest and profound, but he was a hypocrite, that much is very provable. Placing a hypocrite's opinion in comparison to another hypocrite's opinion is just bloody dumb.
No, we created this video and I suggested that the people having a moral dilemma may be having, well.. a moal dilemma :)
Can you tell the rest of us Hicks' fans how Bill was a hypocrite?
And also, how do scale the value or intention of hypocrisy?
Finally, the idea of a free market isn't evil, Carlin and Hicks' were refering to the dirty and manipulative means of marketing as being evil, dirty, manipulative, etc.
Bill Hicks was a hypocrite because he said "beliefs are neat, but don't pass them off like they're the truth", then he went on to tell us about how we're the "immortal children of God with minds that can imagine anything and that we all share a collective unconscious" and to "make no mistake about it" - which is not provable in the least and is utter nonsense in my opinion.
I believe that makes Hicks a hypocrite - he's passing his unfounded belief off as true.
Yes, that was the truth and quantum physicist are working day and night and getting closer and closer at proving what Hicks spoke of in poetic ways.
What Hicks advocated was that 'we' all find out what's most real for 'us'. And if nothing else, he reminded us our species ability to actualize its dreams. It's not really the same as taking a stand against something that was raping peoples lives and then turning around when you were up against the wall and doing the thing you stood against.
I didn't see anything inherently evil about a VHS commercial and a 10-10-2-20 commercial. Evil is subjective, Carlin could have very well felt that what he was doing did not fall into the realm of "evil manipulative" advertising. The truth is, we don't know what he was thinking at the time, it hardly makes him a hypocrite. I think Hicks' hypocrisy is a little bit more provable and unwavering than Carlin's.
The 'gay fucking music' is from a band called "Radiohead" off of their new album "In Rainbows" - a band that supported Hicks and Carlins' ideas and art.
Very ignorant statement my lil friend. Not too mention that a lot of people will disagree with your taste or lack of taste in music.
Wow, this video is pathetic, actually trying to put down Carlin because he did a commercial. Btw, Hicks highly respected Carlin. Have a little respect as well. I'm sure Carlin knew the commercials that he did were idiotic. He never stated that doing them made him talentless. Hicks was simply stating how much of a sell out people can be, having no artistic value whatsoever and then doing anything for money.
Oh right, putting Atheist Comedian Hypocrite isn't a put down?
And what is the point of putting atheist before comedian hypocrite? Could you have just not put comedian hypocrite instead? It's as if you think putting atheist before comedian hypocrite makes it sound worse. Hicks was probably more of an atheist than Carlin was, since Carlin hated being generalized as such, and would say that he was not, in fact, an atheist.
I put "Atheist Comedian Hypocrite?" - there was a '?' implying that I was asking a question. It's a touchy topic because people really admire Carlin but as I've said before, it's just a moral dilemma. It's a mix between how you feel with what you think is right and wrong. So we all see things from different perspectives. Some of think Carlin was a hypocrite, others think he wasn't, and still, there are others who take comfort in the chaotic harmony that is happening called life.
What you don't see is that Carlin never said that he wouldn't do commercials, he just said what a mountain of shit it was. He did them, it was a turd in my drink, but his later shows made up for that. And speaking of turds, George never had a problem with making people disgusted and annoyed, I recall him alluding he enjoyed that kind of behavior. Listen to his comedy, you'll find no shortage of that.
Finally, Hicks never made it as far as Carlin did, we never saw him face the system for 50 years
yes, we're familiar with Carlin's ability to taunt an audience but I don't see how that ties into his hypocrisy? I can see where 'YOU' see it does, be we don't see it. That's like associating smores with a wild fire :)
I don't really need you agreeing with me, I just have thoughts on this. Remember what Bill used to do about Confucius's "what is the sound of one hand clapping"? He would jerk his palm around (npi) and make a clapping noise, saying "fuck Confucius, let's move on.
I got the same to say about Hicks. He was honest, profound and I listen to him with my mouth gaping, but Carlin was the one to prove him wrong, you can do ads and stay an artist, you don't turn into shit automatically and irreversibly.
Is that true, though? That if you do a commercial you're off the artistic roll-call forever?
I doubt it. Again, Hicks is passing off more opinions as facts even after saying that opinions weren't facts. Hicks is ever-growing into a far bigger hypocrite than George Carlin ever was if all George did was sell VHS tapes and Collect Calls.
Are you asking me my opinion are trying to find meaning and reason a dead man's words?
If you're asking me, I loved both artist. Both took the path before them and I feel that it in a sense all perfect. But that doesn't mean I'm saying that we should do wrong things and justify them by saying that we understand that the good and the bad go hand in hand.
As for Hicks, I'm sure he was a hell of a lot more forgiving and understanding than people realize. Don't over analyze what you dn't know
i wish they were both alive. Bill would've come out with so much more great material. And i just want to say this but I like bill hicks better because he has a more personal hopeful wake-up and look around you message and Carlin was just like were all fucked and this is why.
- I wouldn't say he was a "prophet" I would just say people like him weren't a head of their time society is just backwards so free thinkers can be seen as "a head of their time" or crazy ect. I enjoy some of george carlins work but I think hicks had a great message.
Why must people try and defend/attack something if they see something that questions it?
You realize free thinkers generally say it's healthy(I'm speaking more for myself here not anyone else) to question. No one is perfect but I want to know why carlin did ad's as well I don't know if he needed the money myself because I didn't know his income at that time.
I think bill hicks will be remembered for a very long time. Bill hicks was more than a comedian in my eyes. -
And there is another thing I'm sad about: it's this human need to label people, he was a hypocrite, he was a "little racist", he was a cynic. My problem with that is it like you take his dick, chop it off, then show it to others and say - "that's what he was, folks, a dick." Well yeah, among other things! But fuck, compare the relative size of this "dick" to the rest of him, you leave a great deal out, don't ya? Any person gets dirty at some point, one way or another. There's soap in the world.
No body said he was defined by his deed, 'hypocrite' is just a word. Bill Hicks supported the personal right to have an abortion. If you love the comedian and his/her work, and if they have helped you in some way or another - then cheers to them.
Here's an edge of the problem I'd like to share, and I'm not saying it's the most important one, it's just the way I suspect it might be. Carlin loved to bother people, make them uncomfortable, fuck with them to be short. And you should remember the HBO special where he said, before the ad lullaby routine, "and for those of you who wonder why I did commercials and still attack advertising... well, you'll just have to figure that shit out on your own".
thanks TheWALOS, you understand. this prick is either out to grab attention for himself by bashing people that dont suite his standards, or he fails to understand that bill himself praised carlin. its one of the fuckin related vids. glad ur a hicks fan, but if ur gonna bitch about carlin, kiss my ass
They were both artists and both performers... Let's not forget that Bill Hicks was also a hypocrite, he said "beliefs are neat, but don't pass them off like they're the truth", and then he went on to state that we "are the holy immortal children of God and we share a collection unconscious", which is BS and not provable in the very least. So, it seems that Hicks could not even swallow his own advice at times.
... And yes, Hicks often praised Carlin. Let's not forget Hicks also said that comedians who make a career out of "dick-jokes" and "shit-jokes" were "suckers of satan's cock", and "mediocre hacks". Carlin's first 20 years of comedy were just "dick-jokes" and "shit-jokes", yet Hicks praised him regardless.
Remember that Hicks was just a performer, he often said very brutal things to get a reaction - not because he truly believed what he was saying.
Hey 'BigdawgDC94', I rarely say this but please go and fuck yourself. Seriously. You're the prick, assface. Go watch Dr. Phil and stop rationalising your fucking moral dilemma. Hicks didn't praise Carlin you dumb fuck so why do you gotta make up shit? What does it matter?
Let me break it down for you and it's real simple and there's no emotional bias - Both artists spoke against something they felt was evil/wrong - one of them went on to do repeated commercials. sorry it strikes a nerve!!!
If you didn't know that Hicks praised Carlin, you need to learn more about Hicks.
"Both artists spoke against something they felt was evil", exactly, and we're human - feelings change. Plus, Carlin stated often that he was evil, so I really don't see the problem.
Bill Hicks a true human
dubified89 2 months ago
Oops, the USA is already NAZI Germany...
ChrisHodges22 4 months ago
Hicks and Carlin are beyond the usual train of thought and I really hope Americans grasp reality before it's too late and the USA becomes NAZI Germany...
ChrisHodges22 4 months ago 3
After reading some of your peoples comments I truly feel let down and disappointed by all of your people..100% of Hicks's message and the majority of Carlin's was TO CHALLENGE THINGS. Contemplate them and form YOUR OWN Opinion on the matter... You people are blindly and in great number falling behind Carlin's shadow and dropping to his knees...
You aren't even taking in his initial message to begin with?!?!?!
Just because you may not agree with the commercial doesn't mean HATE CARLIN 4EVER...
Sprafikk 4 months ago in playlist bill hicks and george carlin
George Carlin isn't a "do what i say not as i do" guy he portrays the opposite constantly so does hicks and any other libertarian..they're not bossy, they're suggestive...not serious, cos you should be lookin after yourself.
SGde3a 4 months ago in playlist bill hicks and george carlin
the motives of George were his, and has nothing to do with us, and Bill's opinions were his, and even if he was a great thinker, as i think George was, too
both of them are from different generations, education, experiences, motives, and ideas, they don't think the same, and that's better
i think it is very stupid to suggest that george was an hypocrite, or that bill would think something wrong about him, this is misleading
opethgarzaMD 5 months ago in playlist bill hicks and george carlin
george carlin needed the money. he made a mistake, no one's perfect, even though i like to think georgy is, cuz if anyone is it's him (sorry religous community). he did a commercail, sure, but does that water down all the mental break throughs he had? all the amazing points he had on life, all the realizations he had that he brought to us in the form of comedy? i don't think so. he made a mistake when he was young, don't hang him for it, you've all probably done worse.
keegee1994 6 months ago in playlist bill hicks and george carlin
The difference between Hicks and Carlin was that Hicks was an Optimist at heart and actually wanted to make the world better, while Carlin believed that there was literally nothing we could do about it sucking. Seeing it from that angle, I think you can see why Hicks was a hold-out and Carlin didn't care that much about his "moral" obligations, he had a message in his words and his act, it would be a massive shame to miss either of their messages for such a personal trifle.
MarkM2288 6 months ago 6
im not sure about anything anymore.is it supporting the tobacco industry by smoking cigs?is it selling out by making a commercial when thats the quickest way to make a buck at time?i dont think either of them sold out because they brought important topics to light and woke people up---stop criticizing them personally.they took thier professions to heart but were still human and not mistake proof.they stood up against the regime.what did u do?or me ?nuthin.we did nothing.so have a nice day
Earth75Patriot 7 months ago
im not sure about anything anymore.is it supporting the tobacco industry by smoking cigs?is it selling out by making a commercial when thats the quickest way to make a buck at time?i dont think either of them sold out because they brought important topics to light and woke people up---stop criticizing them personally.they took thier professions to heart but were still human and not mistake proof.they stood up against the regime.what did u do?
Earth75Patriot 7 months ago
VIDEOTAPE !!!
BruisedEyeSockets 8 months ago
Look at the sadness in Carlin's eyes when he did that commercial.
He clearly isn't a happy man at that point in his life. He didn't do the fake smile to sell that shit. He did it out of a need to sustain his life....nobody should have to stoop to that level of being a marketing prostitute in order to live.
1nxanity 8 months ago
Finally!
dermeg27 8 months ago
What I was trying to write is:
It was an ad for a VHS tape, an extremely useful and heavily utilized device we use to use to record our favorite television shows...SO WE COULD SKIP OVER THE CHEESY COMMERCIALS! BOOM! Carlin wins again!
Carlin: Helping us fastfoward through BS...even when advertising BS
dermeg27 8 months ago 2
O, it's working now
dermeg27 8 months ago
Maybe a little bit at a time will be okay
dermeg27 8 months ago
I guess that one was okay
dermeg27 8 months ago
They keep erasing my comments
dermeg27 8 months ago
Why does "atheist" matter?
otacon17x 8 months ago
@otacon17x Because unlike religous people they usually tell the truth
dermeg27 8 months ago
and did he do others after that? no? ok nuff said
dravenscrow 9 months ago
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George Carlin was very consistent. As he said we have owners and for not being in their club we have to work for them. Leonardo Da Vinci had to work to the church and he obviously hated it. Are you going to tell me that he wasn't an artist?
By the way, I love Bill Hicks, a true dark poet!
boccastones 10 months ago
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Carlins was consistent. As he said we have owners and for not being in their club we have to work for them. Leonardo Da Vinci had to work to the church and he obviously hated it. Are you going to tell me that he wasn't an artist?
By the way, I love Bill Hicks, a true dark poet!
boccastones 10 months ago
Carlins was consistent. As he said we have owners and for not being in their club we have to work for them. Leonardo Da Vinci had to work to the church and he obviously hated it. Are you going to tell me that he wasn't an artist?
By the way, I love Bill Hicks, a trua dark poet!
boccastones 10 months ago
@OurTVproductions He wasn't a hypocrite. First of all, Carlin never directly attacked marketing as a whole like Hicks did. He spoke out against pointless American excess. Getting paid to do a commercial gig does not make him a hypocrite for that.
As far as the Hick joke, he was talking about people who make ridiculous salaries and still stoop to commercial gig for small amount of money.
WolfPackM98c 10 months ago
what song is this?
archie977 10 months ago
you suck at making videos
teas420 10 months ago
@OfAllOblivion
I've come to understand that you can't beat the internet. But I feel that you have to at least try. I agree with you 100%. Thank you for voicing your opinion on this matter.
gee3peeo 10 months ago
@OfAllOblivion Actually Bill said that if you're relatively unknown as an entertainer or struggling to get by then there was no shame in doing commercials, his thing problem was with huge name celebrities that didn't need the money.
Sacredor 11 months ago
Carlin Hated advertisement and commercialism and spoke out about how this country eats that shit up...The difference between Carlin and Hicks is that Bill was trying' to open the public's eyes to greedy corporate America while Carlin, an advocate of chaos liked to watch or even join in on the deterioration of society...He just loved when shit went wrong. This country has been going down the toilet for years, might as well make a few bucks before the final flush.
DrRiddlez2015 1 year ago
i like Bill Hicks, George Carlin, and Radiohead, but not all at once
HexicNexus 1 year ago
@TranshumanCyborg Exactly!!
OfAllOblivion 1 year ago
Shit, piss, fuck, cunt, cocksucker, motherfucker and stupid people who quote Bill Hicks out of entire context to throw a pathetic punch at a Legend such as George Carlin.
Bill Hicks & George Carlin = GODS ... pray to them :)))
x2dz 1 year ago
Radiohead videotape!
comedyliker12 1 year ago
Looks like Carlin was promoting video piracy ;)
ivanbg 1 year ago 3
Bill Hicks is the #1 no matter what. Fucking kill yourself if you can't live with that.
I love George, but his mother and father were in Marketing; therefore it was in his genetics. Something he understood very much. George has a business man inside him. Bill Hicks cannot be fucked with.
YouWontdotTV 1 year ago
I get your point of the video I just think you generalize the Hicks quote. Sure Carlin did a commercial, but he was just an up and comer at that point and it's easy for people to say "Well I don't care if I was starving or whatever I would never be like this or that, etc." It all sounds good until you're desperate and actually in that position. Hick was talking about Leno & other entertainers who didn't need th money and were sell-outs and who don't deserve to be in the presence of Carlin+Hicks
davesqueakywheels 1 year ago 8
@davesqueakywheels -- it wasn't early in his career that he did a commercial. In fact he was about 40 when he did his last commercials. My stance, you might as well take out the Hick's quote. Essentially what I gave you all was a moral dilemma with a figure whom you all respected. If I tell you now that I believe commercials make us mindless drones and are evil works of the devil and then turn around tomorrow and do a commercial... what would you call me? A hypocrite, right? But not Carlin..
OurTVproductions 1 year ago 3
@OurTVproductions : I understand what you're saying, but i think the label "hypocrite" should be attached to someone with a lot more hypocrisy in his life span, than "1 commercial VS hours of comedy and ideas and philosophy". This why i said you should not waste time about this. You're going to do more good to the world,if you spent the same time, spreading Hicks and Carlin to more people. I think you can agree to that :)
exesemas 1 year ago
@OurTVproductions Even though I agreed with the things he has said, ever since my introduction to a) George Carlin b) The satanic forces at work in our small little world (It is essential that a person knows the things carlin & hicks talk about independently, on their own merit, so by the time carlin & hicks or anyone else speaks on these matters there are right there along with them or they know when they are being fed a line of bs) I have felt that to a degree Carlin was "Permitted" to ( 1/2)
Sprafikk 4 months ago in playlist bill hicks and george carlin
@OurTVproductions (Cont'd) say the things in which he has said.....& throughout his career he only associated himself more with the things he has down talked or advised to avoid, to elaborate. He began as a DJ, to Stand up, to Authoring 2 books, to doing several movies and an appearance on Inside The Actors studio..These things draw him closer to the things he's warning us of.. I do agree with many things Carlin says but I fully agree with you and I just wanted to elaborate on that so ppl can C
Sprafikk 4 months ago in playlist bill hicks and george carlin
@davesqueakywheels actually if you keep listening to the bit by bill hicks, he pretty much says what you say
"if you're young, if you're only up and coming and you need to money ok I'll look the other way"
nickorization 5 months ago
I have to say that both Hicks and Carlin (and others) would laugh at your attempt to belittle Carlin. Dont you have anything better to do ? I can suggest something. Listen to what these people had to say, and stop trying to atract attention to yourself with low quality critisism. Thanks.
exesemas 1 year ago
@exesemas -- It wasn't an attempt to belittle him - I asked a question. There were people on both sides of the dilemma. All I personally implied was that if you're an artist making money by preaching against the evil marketing/commercial world and then going about and actually doing a commercial, or several... was sort of hypocritical to your original stand point. So I suggest you deal with the facts. a) carlin spoke again commercials + b) then did commercials = c) definition of hypocrite
OurTVproductions 1 year ago
@OurTVproductions : How come you say you love someone who you consider hypocrite? All i'm saying is, that what Carlin said and offered to the world, is much greater than a SINGLE small commercial he once made. (which for all we know, he could have signed while being "high" :P ). Plus as others said, Carlin was against the idea of illussion and false advertising, and the idea that business men lie all the time. He didnt seem as rigid and absolute as Hicks described in his acts.
exesemas 1 year ago
@exesemas -- and I agree with you. What he offered the world was great art and a fresh perspective. I don't discredit his work because he did a few commercials.
OurTVproductions 1 year ago
@exesemas -- how can I love someone whom I think is a hypocrite? you mean you've never felt the same? Damn, you must know the most perfect people that I never knew existed.
OurTVproductions 1 year ago
@OurTVproductions : I'm not following you. I think i explained my point in the previous comments. I thought your comment was agreeing to that.
exesemas 1 year ago
Um, Carlin is exempt under the Willie Nelson exception.
KevDurden 1 year ago
So this non-argument still rumbles on?
As another poster has already said; Carlin's dedication to opening our collective eyes means a comparative degree of immunity....
Carlin/Hicks were one side of the same coin.
And the "questions" raised by this video are innane and ultimately pointless...
fent11 1 year ago
@fent11 -- Perhaps you missed the point.... a) carlin spoke again commercials + b) then did commercials = c) definition of hypocrite.
rebuttal?
OurTVproductions 1 year ago
@OurTVproductions
No, Sir, with all due respect, I think YOU have missed the point.
You soulless sack of shit ;)
fent11 1 year ago
@fent11 -- This video was for you. I know it's tough to swallow, but you'll get through it. Not everyone is perfect... not even comedians.
OurTVproductions 1 year ago
Its not the point tho is it, at the end of the day US human beings have invented our destruction, money. its an unnatural essence that we need in order to survive in this current monetary system.
Zeitgeit Movement and The Venus Project has a new outlook for a system that makes sense on ever single level. Eliminate human beings from labour the same way have been doing it the last 10,000 years , use technology. Automation, robotics.
Zeitgeist I,II are free to watch on google video
lukerides666 1 year ago
Carlin did commercials for 10 10 220 a phone service and even mentions it in one of his specials.
joerobillard 1 year ago
true Believers in dem but when the hierarcy in religion is pursuing da same evil agenda as governments and dey distort and dilute da Truth dan is hard for the ppl below 2 wake up 2 reality and truth......the athiests hicks and carlin are much more on Gods Side dan hypocrite christians like george bush and the pope etc...Síochán leat/Peace b wit U....
Hosanna1Love 1 year ago
Love your video thx so much 4 posting it 2 share Truth and Wisdom. Yes there are somethings those of Us who have not Sold or Lost Our Souls still hold Sacred...i.e. Truth, Justice, Freedom, Love, True Strength and Power etc. I love the contradiction dat despite both Bill Hicks and Carlin being athiests they have done much more 2 lead me and others 2 the truth re God dan all dese fake arse religious ppl be dey called jews, christians or muslims....obviously all these religious groups still have
Hosanna1Love 1 year ago
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sfurner 1 year ago
Yeah, because Bill Hicks NEVER took a check from HBO, or SHOWTIME, or anything like that. Both of these GREAT men gained from what they rebelled from. Welcome to capitalism. Where the GREAT get rich from doing what they do best.
jamin121884 1 year ago
is there anything we still value as sacred?
yes, shrooms.
yandiggles 1 year ago
@yandiggles
you left me speachless
you right
saprissa30 1 year ago
There's laughter where I used to see a tear,
It's all done with mirrors, have no fear.
There's nothing pure or sacred in our time,
the nights we spend together, are no crime.
nate556 1 year ago
WOAH WOAH WOAH I CALL BULLSHIT ON THIS VID!!!
with all due respect, if we are going by bill hicks rules about a comedian selling your ass on marketing, then carlins off the hook for the same reason willie nelsons off the hook. BADASS TAX PROBLEMS! the irs fucked the both of them up for a bit there, hence all the comericials. so sorry, but if we are going by billhicks rules, carlins exempt. both still on equal footing. and I think his dedication to opening our eyes sort of yknow FORGIVES HIM?
moediggity28 1 year ago
Ohh... the old "he was too broke at the time or he got taken for a ride by the IRS"... yeah, we've heard that one.
The problem is this, firstly you have a guy like Carlin that no matter what he was going through with the IRS could make more than most of us in a single night of performing (which he loved to do and we loved to watch). So he wasn't a struggling actor who we're all turning the other cheek (as Hicks put it) he's a guy who did a commercial despite speaking against themall his life
OurTVproductions 1 year ago
lol, just going by bill hicks rules.
you obviously heard hicks but you never LISTENED to what he had to say pertaining to that.
and him and hicks had great respect for each other.
moediggity28 1 year ago
And did Carlin do anything else than the Fuji commercials btw? I wouldn't judge him for straying once, unlike Jay Leno!(who Bill Hicks was talking about in the last segment of the video).
NoLifeKingigiorjatar 1 year ago
Bill used Jay a reference. Hick's was against what he considered feeding the capitalistic whore machine - which included doing their dirty work. See, they have no other 'George Carlins' to sell us products when the George Carlins tell them to fuck off. At that point, marketers are forced to be 'human'. We've been over run and manipulated by marketing for so long that we're nearly blind to its hypnotic and suggestive-ness towards our lifestyle. So again, I love both comedians. It is what it is!
OurTVproductions 1 year ago 2
buy orange-drink!
nate556 1 year ago
Bill Hicks loved George Carlin and Carlin appriciated Hicks too. The reason why Carlin did the Fuji commercial was because he just didn't give a fuck. He had lost hope for humanity and said that we are nearing the end of our species. For him life was a freak show and it was like a theater. According to him, he had compassion and emphaty for individuals in his heart, but he didn't care humanity as whole.
NoLifeKingigiorjatar 1 year ago
Didn't he also do 1-800-COLLECT commercials ?
nate556 1 year ago
why are you relating the comment to me of course i think we need real leaders and thinkers whether they are artists , journalists etc
their peronal lives can't be perfect
about GC of course i don't agree with his point of view but at least he had the balls to bother his happy ignorant audience to question everything no matter what his motives are
that what he thought and i can't change it man read his biography or listen to his interviews watch?v=drVXL00i4w4
thefreealma 2 years ago
We don't need real LEADERs, we need real INDIVIDUALS. Do you think the president or congress are better than you ? that they are gifted with some of arcane godly knowlege or thinking you don't possess ? they are no different, and no one should lead the other. Everyone should think with their own mind, and walk their own way. No leader needed.
nate556 1 year ago 2
The question is this- If you came up with a great great invention, and it was a creative and positive thing, and you came up with a cool commercial and it was fun, and the whole thing was a success, would that be 'evil marketing'?? I love Bill Hicks, but was he pointing too many fingers and was it just too idealistic? Realism tends to thump idealism, as we can see by the fact he died so young.
dimitraeus202 2 years ago
Neah, Hicks was spiritual. Spiritual people try to make a difference whereas others just seek to entertain. They don't feel as much accountable for their actions after all - who's gonna punish them? Carlin snorted a lot of cocaine, smoked a lot of dope - pointed his fingers at a lot of others, namely the big corp machine that he believe help blind us like a blanket over our heads. So to do a commercials for phone companies who rape US!... neah, it was a bad move but he's human. His life was love
OurTVproductions 2 years ago
The world isn't founded on idealism, more's the pity.
furQ 2 years ago
george is not a hypocrite. end of story. he knew, and made it clear many times, on how the world works. he knew that money ran the world. personally, i don't care what george had to do to stay afloat in life, he was still the smartest person out there. period.
in fact, he never tried to fight the system, because he's repeatedly said "power does what it wants". i would much rather see him in a commercial than to see him in a cubical taking uncle sams dick up his ass for food every day.
Ninjamonkey767 2 years ago
I think bill was more intelligent and more wordly - especially considering how young he was when he was doing his thing.
OurTVproductions 2 years ago
I wouldnt quite say he was more intelligent. But if he had the luxury of living a full life like George did, it'd be interesting to see how he developed. Carlin didn't really get into his thing until well into his career, so yeah.
Ninjamonkey767 2 years ago
they are both the smartest and the most outspoken comedians in America
the difference between them is Bill used to do what he says and tried to make a change and fight the system
George said it in an interview that he's more of a spectator he knew change won't come and how stupid people are so he never took action besides comedy
thefreealma 2 years ago
So you're saying that Bill Hicks was just naive and had he lived long enough he'd see the point -- which is according to you and Carlin: "If you can't beat em, join em"
The world needs actual movers and shakers, not just spectators with a gloomy attitude. One man cannot do it all but one man can help remind the world of something which it has forgotten. Hell, just think of Lennon.
But again, was Hick's foolish for chasing after 'young mans dreams'? Or, was Carlin unable to get through?
OurTVproductions 2 years ago
Cynicism against our own.....
"LOVE ALL THE PEOPLE"
fent11 2 years ago
hug a tree
OurTVproductions 2 years ago
suck a dick
fent11 1 year ago
Ouch....one of my hero's just got a little shit flung at him and it stuck...he is still my hero however...because he is flawed just like me, and heros are people who are ordinary and then do something extra ordinary and as GC grew older he grew wiser and extra ordinary...can we demand more of any man?
mynameisbobtoo 2 years ago
well said
OurTVproductions 2 years ago
He did one commercial for VHS tapes when he needed the money badly. At least it wasn't coca cola or cheetos or something. Some people are just eager to call everyone else a hypocrite.
Daxmcneil377 2 years ago
How do you know he needed the money badly? He was GEORGE FUCKING CARLIN. The guy on his worst day could still book a comedy gig that would pay him more than most of us regular people can earn! So please, stop with the 'he was broke so it was okay for him to do a commercial after spending a life-time's worth of work fighting against a machine he believed was evil and made people stupid. That's not what happened, he lost his faith in his art and in humanity - and burned out.
OurTVproductions 2 years ago
George Carlin did NOT feel that marketing was evil. He Felt that GLUTTONY was evil. Danny Bonaduce said it best: "It's not money that's the root of all evil, it's the lust for money!" George just did a commercial for a product that I myself thought was the best in it's day.
borzoi1964 2 years ago
Did you just quote Danny Bonaduce in defense of capitalism? And I disagree, like Bill Hicks, gluttony isn't the only problem with our current economy and all of our trade/market = illusion.
It's tampered with. It's not the same nor as simple as you and I making an exchange - there are too many dirty little laws in order protect the larger laws which rob us of our personal freedom and make a deeper slave to the ever changing dollar.
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ddson72979 2 years ago
I have seen veidos of Bill Hicks showing his deep respect to George Carlin. Carlin never sold products like pespi or coke, or anything that harms people ( He even did children shows). Well mabey a 10 cent phone call might hurt some people which on Complaints and Grievances he calls out on himself as a product seller.
UndertheDomeInRome 2 years ago
Search "George Carlin Fuji."
FeelOfFriction 2 years ago
why is carlin a hypocrite? explain
konstantinosmei 2 years ago 2
Carlin a hypocrite? Whoever made this video needs to look this video up =
/watch?v=DFCMhSzeGuA
TheRealDerfMan 2 years ago
Hicks and Carlin were pointing out the gross marketisation and consumerism of ALL aspects of our society and culture - does every fucking thing need to be a commodity to be bought and sold. Well these guys didnt think so and were warning us all for some time. Pity it takes M.Moore to put it in movie format for USA to understand whats going on with their society which is teetering on the brink of something unknown now!
Househitz 2 years ago
Bill Hicks, a river of truth and laughter..
Wish you were here...
jahkak 2 years ago 2
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inagartenrules 2 years ago
i think that it's alright for artists to advertise for something as long as they truly believe in the product and can sincerely advertise the shit out of it.
PS Bill Hicks and George Carlin appeared on mainstream talk shows, TV series, movies, and news shows, which are all under corporate control. Everyone's a hypocrite, even the prophets.
iwinallarguments29 2 years ago
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Househitz 2 years ago
good video...
steelydan3000 2 years ago
I love them both, we all have made contradictions and mistakes. What about the way Hicks supported the tabacco companys by smoking shit loads of cigs huh? And theres nothing republican capitalist love more than support of the tabacco companys.
ExoDevious 2 years ago 14
Carlin is better who cares if he did a commercial he got some money for it
evildude586 2 years ago
Carlin was in serious, serious debt at the time he did this commercial. And there are worse companies he could've done this for. He could've been like Bob Dylan, a financially secure rock n' roll legend doing a commercial for Pepsi with Will I Am. I love Dylan's music but that was very low. I don't mind if people do commercials if they absolutely need the money. Even Bill Hicks shares this view, he said himself "if your a young actor, I'll look the other way".
BloggerMusicMan 2 years ago 30
Yeah. Dane Cook advertises for MLB. yech
7Be 2 years ago
@BloggerMusicMan Or if the proceeds are being used towards charatee. Anything else you are just exploiting your fans.
Visc0us1488 10 months ago
I think hypocrite is a bit much personally, he was a jester at heart with a deep philosophy for getting the word out to help people. His sacrifices were to let the marketing do what they do. There's a certain elasticity an Atheist Comedian has to get the truth out. But I don't ever compare Bill Hicks & George Carlin as "who's better". They're different styles with the same message. That's close to comparing Slayer and 311, 2 legends, they do what they do and love it.
TonyBtheEG 2 years ago
Wow, seeing Carlin do a commercial is pretty painfull.
Media lens just came out with a great piece about advertising aimed at children
exerpt:
Dan Acuff, notes that until the age of seven children tend to accept television advertising at face value and he advises advertisers how to take advantage of that. For example he tells them that at this age kids are particularly susceptible to give-aways and similar promotions because the critical/logical/rational mind is not yet full developed.
ceezsb 2 years ago 3
We should seriously start putting ppl like that in front of firing squads
ceezsb 2 years ago
George and Bill both probably would not have cared for the music, but good use of George clips!
lolgeed 2 years ago 3
Bill Hicks was a fan of this particular band, it's one of the main reasons why we used it.
-OurTV
OurTVproductions 2 years ago
OMg r u serious? These two guys are my favourite comedians and Radiohead is my favourite band!
godlessKnowledge 2 years ago 3
im a little unclear, is that george carlin stealing hicks's material?
paleopeneyes 2 years ago
This comment has received too many negative votes show
I admire Bill for how he stayed true to himself and his beliefs but it is very hard to get anywhere in entertainment without doing a commercial. This is one of those "look the other way" cases.
bbbb666888888845 2 years ago
Guys, this is just a video... there's a moral dilemma present, yes, but what we're trying to point out here is the evolution past this dilemma. We don't hate Carlin, we don't believe everything Hicks' believed in, and furthermore, if we've offended your or fucked with you in anyway - it was/is in fun. So if you don't like our channel, hit the cyber road - there's endless options out there. Before you judge us and be the little critics we know you can be - keep in mind that this is just improv bs
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Maurixsd 2 years ago
"...And by the way, should you have any cognitive dissonance as to how I can do commercials for 10-10-220 and still attack advertising up here, well, you're just gonna have to figure that shit out on your own." ~George Carlin
Sipe0 2 years ago 3
sipe0 beat me to the punch!
tglass55 2 years ago
That's a fucking excuse without an explanation, nothing more. Besides "cognitive dissonance"? That's not how Carlin normally spoke - he was very intelligent no doubt but he was more a practical or average speaker, it worked well for him.
but in response to carlin's lack of response, I did figure that shit out for me and it's called 'desparation and hypocrisy'.
Doesn't mean I don't love his comedy and am not thankful for his work on this planet.
Figure that shit out for yourselves...
OurTVproductions 2 years ago
If you've heard him in interviews, he speaks very eloquently. On stage, though, he was usually more straightforward.
RakimAllah777 2 years ago
wait i expected some comedy, not some faggoty music overdubbing this shit
balls on sticks hit comment too fast
RectalDiscourse 2 years ago
radiohead.
come back when your brain has evolved
your channel sucks ass
minomeshank 2 years ago 3
fuck radiohead
stacks815 2 years ago
there is no vs
neo
RectalDiscourse 2 years ago
You know whats funny Bill Hicks was Marketing his shit when he was selling his comedy tapes.
When are you So called Anarchists or Communists gonna get it through your fucking heads?
EuthanizeAmerica 2 years ago
Carlin and Hicks, plus RADIOHEAD
fucking eargasm right there.
GrungeRock1991 2 years ago 2
This comment has received too many negative votes show
What's with the melodramatic piano music???
I've seen Bill Hicks and listened to him rant in a few different shows. He was a mediocre standup w/ attitude.
Putting him up there with Carlin is funnier than anything Hicks ever said.
stealthvsion 2 years ago
You've still got Billy Connolly, Dave Chapelle, Bill Maher, and Richard Pryor to contend with, just to name 4.
Carlin's #1, but #2 could be anyone of the people I listed plus Bill Hicks. Of course, that's just my opinion.
1000Demons 2 years ago
Amazing song!
kyral210 2 years ago
Calling George Carlin a hypocrite by using a commercial he made back in the 80's and juxtaposed with something he said in the 2000's and Bill Hick's words (Which, by the way, was not intended for George Carlin) is not a very effective or relevant example. To put it in a simpler way, and to quote the words by George Carlin; "Not to f-ing' bright."
leprecaun22 3 years ago 2
Hicks had tons of respect for Carlin. watch the first related video "Bill Hicks and George Carlin on each other". And making it seem as if Hicks' was talking about Carlin instead of Leno is just sad.
lusidghost 3 years ago
Hicks and Carlin + this wonderful song by radiohead... wonderful!
indrinnna 3 years ago
PLEEEAAAAASE!!! BUY MY THING!!!
logoscreature1 3 years ago
Btw, I don't see Carlin as pessimistic. He simply stated things the way they were, and he got people to think most importantly, and besides that, he was funny as hell. If you want to see pessimistic, then watch some Doug Stanhope. However, I will agree that Hicks was very optimistic with his act, it was always encouraging and uplifting.
BryanEKS89 3 years ago
Well if you want to straw man tactics. Let me use straw man tactics against Hicks. (Note that I know what I'm about to say is stupid, and in no way do I actually think this of Hicks, it's just an example of straw man tactics).
Hicks often talked about drugs, and how legal drugs were more dangerous than illegal drugs. In on act he said, "Alcohol and cigs kill more people than most illegal drugs, combined". Noting that Hicks smoked cigs, that must make him a hypocrite, right? Se, dumb argument.
BryanEKS89 3 years ago
I wasn't using a philosophical tactic on you, lol, and your point isn't the same. Hicks was using legal drugs to contrast the illegal drugs. He didn't say that smoking cigarettes were good - in fact, he said that he knows they're satan but "I'm fucking addicted". So you see, you're arguing an addiction equating hypocrisy over actual hypocrisy. Keep your straws, my friend. There's no need to get emo about things - people are people! I just don't see why people can't see it for what it is..
OurTVproductions 3 years ago
Where are you pulling up your bs quotes from? Hicks often stated that he was sick of people talking about how harmful cigs are and that "they'll just die without ever enjoying a cigarette".
But by your explanation, if Hicks stated that cigs were good, that would make him a hypocrite as well.
BryanEKS89 3 years ago
Carlin's only words of defense are "If you should have any cognitive dissonance about the fact that I do commercials for 10-10-220 and still attack advertising, well, youre just gonna have to figure that shit out yourself.".
It's very logical to assume that he when he said that (during the middle of his act), that he had better shit to do than stand there and defend himself.
TheWALOS 3 years ago
There's another interesting point nobody has brought up - Carlin only started his material about marketing after he'd done the initial commercials. It could be that he attacked it as a result of learning from a mistake, or being angry that he had made such a mistake.
It's very possible that Carlin did the commercials, watched Revelations, agreed with Hicks and later regretted his initial decision.
Who the hell knows.
TheWALOS 3 years ago
Well, whoever made this video is basing this "moral dilemma" solely around the idea that Hicks was right to begin with. I'd like to see someone prove that marketing is evil in the first place - unless you can prove Hicks' contention true, this argument is a bit silly.
Hicks was honest and profound, but he was a hypocrite, that much is very provable. Placing a hypocrite's opinion in comparison to another hypocrite's opinion is just bloody dumb.
TheWALOS 3 years ago
No, we created this video and I suggested that the people having a moral dilemma may be having, well.. a moal dilemma :)
Can you tell the rest of us Hicks' fans how Bill was a hypocrite?
And also, how do scale the value or intention of hypocrisy?
Finally, the idea of a free market isn't evil, Carlin and Hicks' were refering to the dirty and manipulative means of marketing as being evil, dirty, manipulative, etc.
Thanks,
-OurTV
OurTVproductions 3 years ago
Bill Hicks was a hypocrite because he said "beliefs are neat, but don't pass them off like they're the truth", then he went on to tell us about how we're the "immortal children of God with minds that can imagine anything and that we all share a collective unconscious" and to "make no mistake about it" - which is not provable in the least and is utter nonsense in my opinion.
I believe that makes Hicks a hypocrite - he's passing his unfounded belief off as true.
TheWALOS 3 years ago
Yes, that was the truth and quantum physicist are working day and night and getting closer and closer at proving what Hicks spoke of in poetic ways.
What Hicks advocated was that 'we' all find out what's most real for 'us'. And if nothing else, he reminded us our species ability to actualize its dreams. It's not really the same as taking a stand against something that was raping peoples lives and then turning around when you were up against the wall and doing the thing you stood against.
OurTVproductions 3 years ago
I didn't see anything inherently evil about a VHS commercial and a 10-10-2-20 commercial. Evil is subjective, Carlin could have very well felt that what he was doing did not fall into the realm of "evil manipulative" advertising. The truth is, we don't know what he was thinking at the time, it hardly makes him a hypocrite. I think Hicks' hypocrisy is a little bit more provable and unwavering than Carlin's.
TheWALOS 3 years ago
are you serious with this gay fucking music?
alternativehero 3 years ago
The 'gay fucking music' is from a band called "Radiohead" off of their new album "In Rainbows" - a band that supported Hicks and Carlins' ideas and art.
Very ignorant statement my lil friend. Not too mention that a lot of people will disagree with your taste or lack of taste in music.
Enjoy
-OurTV
OurTVproductions 3 years ago
Wow, this video is pathetic, actually trying to put down Carlin because he did a commercial. Btw, Hicks highly respected Carlin. Have a little respect as well. I'm sure Carlin knew the commercials that he did were idiotic. He never stated that doing them made him talentless. Hicks was simply stating how much of a sell out people can be, having no artistic value whatsoever and then doing anything for money.
And besides, that was earlier on in his career.
BryanEKS89 3 years ago
This video wasn't to put down Carlin, it was to share a truth that isn't as pretty as getting laid :)
-OurTV
OurTVproductions 3 years ago
Then you might as well make up a video about exposing some truth behind Bill Hicks spouting his other-worldly jargon and spiritual propaganda.
It's obvious you prefer one artist to the other, but why not be fair?
TheWALOS 3 years ago
Oh right, putting Atheist Comedian Hypocrite isn't a put down?
And what is the point of putting atheist before comedian hypocrite? Could you have just not put comedian hypocrite instead? It's as if you think putting atheist before comedian hypocrite makes it sound worse. Hicks was probably more of an atheist than Carlin was, since Carlin hated being generalized as such, and would say that he was not, in fact, an atheist.
BryanEKS89 3 years ago
I put "Atheist Comedian Hypocrite?" - there was a '?' implying that I was asking a question. It's a touchy topic because people really admire Carlin but as I've said before, it's just a moral dilemma. It's a mix between how you feel with what you think is right and wrong. So we all see things from different perspectives. Some of think Carlin was a hypocrite, others think he wasn't, and still, there are others who take comfort in the chaotic harmony that is happening called life.
It's easy
OurTVproductions 3 years ago
What you don't see is that Carlin never said that he wouldn't do commercials, he just said what a mountain of shit it was. He did them, it was a turd in my drink, but his later shows made up for that. And speaking of turds, George never had a problem with making people disgusted and annoyed, I recall him alluding he enjoyed that kind of behavior. Listen to his comedy, you'll find no shortage of that.
Finally, Hicks never made it as far as Carlin did, we never saw him face the system for 50 years
Kolajer 3 years ago
yes, we're familiar with Carlin's ability to taunt an audience but I don't see how that ties into his hypocrisy? I can see where 'YOU' see it does, be we don't see it. That's like associating smores with a wild fire :)
-OurTV
OurTVproductions 3 years ago
I don't really need you agreeing with me, I just have thoughts on this. Remember what Bill used to do about Confucius's "what is the sound of one hand clapping"? He would jerk his palm around (npi) and make a clapping noise, saying "fuck Confucius, let's move on.
I got the same to say about Hicks. He was honest, profound and I listen to him with my mouth gaping, but Carlin was the one to prove him wrong, you can do ads and stay an artist, you don't turn into shit automatically and irreversibly.
Kolajer 3 years ago
No, what Hicks stated was that if you "DO A COMMERCIAL YOU'RE OFF THE ARTISTIC ROLE CALL, IT DOESN"T MATTER IF YOU SHIT MONA LISA'S"
Know your quotes :)
-OurTV
OurTVproductions 3 years ago
Is that true, though? That if you do a commercial you're off the artistic roll-call forever?
I doubt it. Again, Hicks is passing off more opinions as facts even after saying that opinions weren't facts. Hicks is ever-growing into a far bigger hypocrite than George Carlin ever was if all George did was sell VHS tapes and Collect Calls.
TheWALOS 3 years ago
Are you asking me my opinion are trying to find meaning and reason a dead man's words?
If you're asking me, I loved both artist. Both took the path before them and I feel that it in a sense all perfect. But that doesn't mean I'm saying that we should do wrong things and justify them by saying that we understand that the good and the bad go hand in hand.
As for Hicks, I'm sure he was a hell of a lot more forgiving and understanding than people realize. Don't over analyze what you dn't know
OurTVproductions 3 years ago
Two great comics+Radiohead=amazing
hockeyman92 3 years ago 2
i wish they were both alive. Bill would've come out with so much more great material. And i just want to say this but I like bill hicks better because he has a more personal hopeful wake-up and look around you message and Carlin was just like were all fucked and this is why.
jayhawk923 3 years ago
well said!
OurTVproductions 3 years ago
- I wouldn't say he was a "prophet" I would just say people like him weren't a head of their time society is just backwards so free thinkers can be seen as "a head of their time" or crazy ect. I enjoy some of george carlins work but I think hicks had a great message.
Passenger87 3 years ago
Why must people try and defend/attack something if they see something that questions it?
You realize free thinkers generally say it's healthy(I'm speaking more for myself here not anyone else) to question. No one is perfect but I want to know why carlin did ad's as well I don't know if he needed the money myself because I didn't know his income at that time.
I think bill hicks will be remembered for a very long time. Bill hicks was more than a comedian in my eyes. -
Passenger87 3 years ago
And there is another thing I'm sad about: it's this human need to label people, he was a hypocrite, he was a "little racist", he was a cynic. My problem with that is it like you take his dick, chop it off, then show it to others and say - "that's what he was, folks, a dick." Well yeah, among other things! But fuck, compare the relative size of this "dick" to the rest of him, you leave a great deal out, don't ya? Any person gets dirty at some point, one way or another. There's soap in the world.
Kolajer 3 years ago 3
No body said he was defined by his deed, 'hypocrite' is just a word. Bill Hicks supported the personal right to have an abortion. If you love the comedian and his/her work, and if they have helped you in some way or another - then cheers to them.
OurTVproductions 3 years ago
Here's an edge of the problem I'd like to share, and I'm not saying it's the most important one, it's just the way I suspect it might be. Carlin loved to bother people, make them uncomfortable, fuck with them to be short. And you should remember the HBO special where he said, before the ad lullaby routine, "and for those of you who wonder why I did commercials and still attack advertising... well, you'll just have to figure that shit out on your own".
Kolajer 3 years ago
Yeah, it was an excuse, not an enlightened statement. He threw you a bone instead of just telling the truth.
OurTVproductions 3 years ago
thanks TheWALOS, you understand. this prick is either out to grab attention for himself by bashing people that dont suite his standards, or he fails to understand that bill himself praised carlin. its one of the fuckin related vids. glad ur a hicks fan, but if ur gonna bitch about carlin, kiss my ass
bigdawgDC94 3 years ago
They were both artists and both performers... Let's not forget that Bill Hicks was also a hypocrite, he said "beliefs are neat, but don't pass them off like they're the truth", and then he went on to state that we "are the holy immortal children of God and we share a collection unconscious", which is BS and not provable in the very least. So, it seems that Hicks could not even swallow his own advice at times.
TheWALOS 3 years ago
... And yes, Hicks often praised Carlin. Let's not forget Hicks also said that comedians who make a career out of "dick-jokes" and "shit-jokes" were "suckers of satan's cock", and "mediocre hacks". Carlin's first 20 years of comedy were just "dick-jokes" and "shit-jokes", yet Hicks praised him regardless.
Remember that Hicks was just a performer, he often said very brutal things to get a reaction - not because he truly believed what he was saying.
TheWALOS 3 years ago
Hey 'BigdawgDC94', I rarely say this but please go and fuck yourself. Seriously. You're the prick, assface. Go watch Dr. Phil and stop rationalising your fucking moral dilemma. Hicks didn't praise Carlin you dumb fuck so why do you gotta make up shit? What does it matter?
Let me break it down for you and it's real simple and there's no emotional bias - Both artists spoke against something they felt was evil/wrong - one of them went on to do repeated commercials. sorry it strikes a nerve!!!
OurTVproductions 3 years ago
If you didn't know that Hicks praised Carlin, you need to learn more about Hicks.
"Both artists spoke against something they felt was evil", exactly, and we're human - feelings change. Plus, Carlin stated often that he was evil, so I really don't see the problem.
TheWALOS 3 years ago