All McDonnell Douglas made civilian planes starting from the DC9, DC10, MD80 series, and MD90 series are crap. If you watched MayDay/Aircrash Investigation long enough one will discover that the vast majority of accidents due to design or mechanical problems happen on those 4 types of planes. Accidents also occur on Boeing and Airbus planes, but the majority of those are due to human factors. Thank God that McDonnell Douglas went bankrupt.
Out of all the episodes of ACI, nothing upset me more than this one, mainly because the passengers were conscious for a long time before the plane crashed.......and there were several dives before the final death dive, giving them time to think. Its every flyers worst nightmare. In hindsight its easy to say: "Why the hell didnt they land at LAX as soon as the stabiliser trim failed?!" But the plane was probably doomed before they took off. Tragic that 50c worth of grease can bring down a MD80.
@SunriseHealthFoods No they wouldnt, because the horizontal stabilizer had broken free. Their was nothing the pilots could do any more. If you saw the tail it broke up. Even the elevators flew off. No hope at all nopthing they did weould have saved them that afternoon
@SunriseHealthFoods Seriously doubt that. But then again I am not a pilot or mechanic. It just sucks that saving a penny kills people, in any profession.
@larsjake JOEY JOEY JOEY. Why are you such a scared little cunt now? What did the rest of your grape sized nuts shrivel up? Keep trying to troll you ignorant little bitch :D
@larsjake LOL JOEY JOEY JOEY JOEY JOEY JOEY JOEY. I love how you defend your airsofting boyfriend who still beats your ass daily. It's quite pathetic cunt.
Amen.........the tail design on the MD80 was a design flaw to start with: no failsafe and three remote points of contact instead of one. Give me a 737 anyday.
@sfc7267 No doubt you don't leave that comment on vids about the catastrophic, mysterious and uncontrolled rudder problems on 737s in the '90s. I see 'If it ain't Boeing, I ain't going' comments a lot on YouTube videos, but the fact is ALL aircraft makers have occasional safety issues. Boeing and Airbus both make very safe aircraft generally, and both have excellent safety records. Most problems - just like this one - are likely due to poor maintenance, not inherent issues with an aircraft type.
When they tried to fly the plane upside down- that's when my heart broke. The plane was upside down and falling for over a minute and a half. I dont even want to think about what it must have been like on board. Pure horror
R.I.P to all the victims
And may all the airlines learn from such a horrific crash caused by neglegent maintainace.
I'm so TIRED of people saying "Oh, the chances of a car accident or being struck by lightining are more likely". That's not the whole story....The ONLY reason air travel is marketed as safer than automobiles, is because it goes by the VOLUME OF PEOPLE MOVED PER TRIP/FLIGHT. I'm sorry, but I'll take my chances in my car. I KNOW my limts and would rather not put my life in the hands of a big people moving company....My motto? Plummet from the sky, You're gonna die.
@whoohaaXL How many people died on US carriers in the past two years?
0.
Compare THAT to the number of people who died in car crashes in that time. Pilots are trained professionals, and the sky is not filled with drunks and idiots.
Also, look what happens when a plane crashes. CHANGE HAPPENS. An accident like this will never happen again, unlike that multi-ton SUV that smashes into you from nowhere.
definitely not the way i want to go out, you KNOW those poor passengers were conscious as they dove for the ocean...straight out of a fucking nightmare.
Swiss Air and This one i think are the saddest and most Tragic of all the ACI Episodes. Of course all Crashes are tragic and devastating, but i really felt the sorrow out of those two episodes. Maybe its because the pilots tried everything they could to bring the plane down safely but in the end, no pilot would have been able to do it. They were doomed from the very beginning. :(
My scariest of all, I didn't know it then but I was on an MD80 from England to Greece and I thought the engines at the back were making a weird sort of noise over the alps. The thing is when I looked at the plane from outside before I got on it, it looked old and other people were saying the same. It was with Transjet - I looked on the internet and Transjet went out of business in July 2002 due to safety fears and I was on it late May 2002.
ill tell you what aircraft mechanics are the best in the world- in what they do each day- remember - every accident creates better maintence, the american fleet, by far are the best aircraft ever in the world- tragic accident- no doubt! remember when you get on an faa - american fleet plane- your on the best!- i encourage you to look deeper, we have resolved the md-80s jackscrew problem- alaska is unreal these days in saftey record- as all american carriers
@AndyMcArren1356 maybe, but its simple.. those planes have crashed countless numbers of times. why would a company manufacture only one plane, because its the only safe one? i see no point in making them.
@LiguidNitrogen This crash had nothing to do with the maker of the plane. This crash happened becasue Alaska Airlines cut corners. The jackscrew assembly was improperly maintained. You can't place that on the the people who made the plane.
Alaska Airlines is a very good airline its just so sad that these people had to die just to go back home and see their familys theres is really no reason for a fear of a plane a plane is actually safer than a car theres a bot 5 plane crashes a year theres over 5 car crashes in 2 hours!!
Well I am a MVP for Alaska and a pilot but not for Alaska but I think that by not greasing the jackscrew that the part would just jam up not freaking rip from the socket
Typical sensationalism. The FAA and Boeing both had given approval to the maintenance procedures used by ASA on that aircraft. The NTSB scapegoated ASA. It's right in the actual report, not this sensationalized nonsense.
My wife lost friends on that flight, but I'm not putting blame where it doesn't belong.
@Gromit801 I don't have anything to back up the scapegoat claim that's made, but I think there was a bit more to the crash than maintenance procedures. It appears that part of the issue was the assumption in the cockpit that the problem was solely with the actuation motors. However, if you're operating machinery and a component is stuck, forcing the part to move often causes a lot more problems than it solves. So I was a little surprised when the motors were forced again abreast of LA.
@Funfisique Crappy? Are you that biased? NO aviation manufacturer in the world can be called crappy. Most of the errors first of all are from airline mistakes not manufacturer, so chill out.
@DarkMuu666 Yeah, I had no problem with flying until I researched the truth behind the "Flying is safer than driving" claim you here so much. Well, come to find out that is based on # of miles traveled, not # of trips. You may have to think about it a second, but when you consider the # of trips, a plane is only more safer than a bicycle and motorcycle! Of course if you consider the # of miles, the plane would look safe since you travel so far on them on one trip.
in all of the air crashes i've seen, and ive seen alot of crashes, this would probably be one of the most tragic, what a horrible way to die. upside down and suddenly..plimff!!
All air crashes are terrible (of course), particularly fatal ones, but this is, in my opinion, the worst of all.
The plane didn't even break up at altitude, which would have a least spared those poor passengers the terror of plummeting out of control for two minutes before the MD-80 hit the water.
I can't begin to imagine the horror on board. R.I.P. to each and every one of them.
@GE0RGEBUSH I don't know being in free fall up sidedown until you hit the water. At lest there were 4 people that live in the JAL 123 crash. No one was walking away from this one.
@TheMightyHartley well, if the plane "broke up at altitude" as you say, the passengers would still have individually plummeted a terrifying 2-4 minutes into the ocean, while fully conscious-- either way, there's no avoiding the horrifying plummet
What on earth makes you think they'd have been conscious had the plane broken up? With the change in air pressure and the incredible speed they would have been instantaneously subjected to, they'd be rendered immediately unconscious.
Re. the Air France crash, here's a quote from a trauma expert on high-altitude break-up:
"Professor Philippe Juvin, head of casualty at Beaujon hospital west of Paris, said: "It would have been as quick as the moment when one falls asleep."
@krugerfuchs Well, it's pointless getting into a 'which crash was the worst debate', but the only reason I said I thought this was the worst (remember, it's only my opinion) is that unlike the crashes you mentioned, these people had plenty of time to realise they were doomed (two and a half minutes), and the plane was tumbling violently out of control for the entire descent (mostly inverted).
@TheMightyHartley yes you're right i wasn't meaning that to sound like arguing with you the dc10 turkish 981 was similar but can you really call them accidents since what caused them was known and overlooked for money i should be starting flight training in september
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0:15 - 0:45 HOW THE FUCK CAN YOU BE SO SHORTSIGHTED????!!! The harsh truth is that PLANES GO DOWN. It's just as likely for you to be on it. If it's in the news it doesn't mean it's not gonna happen to you. Fucking idiot.
No it's not, with 6 billion or better people in the world, its a game of odds. He's right though, it depends on how much you fly, weather it will happen to you is rare, but that is no comfort to the people is does happen to.
Burn you need corrected 20/20. So if its not gotta get the glasses. Many pilots use them. As most captains are 50 plus, very few of us have 20/20 at that age.
ironically, staying on autopilot and not tinkering could have saved them. not that that would be the right choice 9/10 of the time, and one can't tell the difference in the moment.
I blame Alaska Airlines but I also blame McDonnell Douglas for not having a backup system to the jackscrew assembly on the MD80 range..... I think that is very poor on their part. At the end of the day this is probably the most horrendous crash I have watched..
Sometimes I wonder how any airline can stay in buisiness indefinitely. Many end up with a grim choice...cut costs and compromise safety, or go out of buisiness Im from Oz and Qantas faced this choice recently..since they outsourced their maintenance to a foreign country their safety record has been tarnished...but had they not done so, its likely they would not be around today (which is bad, as it means more monopoly for the others, more compromises, higher fares and less choice.)
If we would ban all Regional and low fare airlines from doing what they do then airline compansy such as Qantas, Delta, Singapore, etc would not have to cut costs to maintenance just to compete with regionals and low fare airlines.
There's no reason not to ever get on a plane again! Just fly with a carrier that is known not to cut corners. Alaska Airlines was not a major airline and they really had very few planes and only flew cheap flights. Southwest is an excellent airline with no air disaster history. I would hop a flight anywhere in a New York Minute. I love flying, it relaxes me and I fall asleep like a baby. Sometimes, it's just best to pay a little more and feel safe.
CDlish: Alaska Airlines was known for steak dinners in first class and for having pretty good service in coach. It had fairly good front end service. The problem was with the management making decisions to skimp on maintenance that passengers could not know about.
Nowadays Alaska has standard US carrier service and fares around the same as the legacies and Southwest, but this is over 10 years later
So, why did it take such a horrific incident to get the airline to offer steak dinners? Please, I will pass on the steak when it comes to losing a life because of a jackscrew failure. One cannot compare the safety record of Southwest, which has never had any major inflight incident, to any airline which has placed passengers in jeopardy. The worst that Southwest ever did was recently, bumping an old has been off a flight cuz he was too lazy to get out and work a few pounds off.
Even "high service" airlines can have trouble. Pan Am made a show of attention about how it had such great security - then PA103 happened and the public learned that the airline in fact had horrible security screening and was lying - PA went bankrupt
Southwest has not had any incidents where any pax died in an accident. There was the incident in Chicago in 2005, where a little boy in a passing car died. Flight 1455 in Burbank had no deaths, but it lead to the airline's only hull loss.
Oh good grief! Ive watched many of the air disaster shows on youtube and i feel that aviation as a whole is far safer than it used to be. Everytime something like this happens, flight safety climbs higher and higher. It is FAR safer to fly nowadays than drive a car.
You do know that every time you get in your car, you have a much higher statistical chance of dying in a car crash than in an airplane. Do a google search on the statistics of flying compared to driving and you will see what i mean
The LA Times reported today that the families gathered at location of the crash off of Ventura CA. It's a terrible instance of corporate culture and money placed ahead of the safety of the crew and passengers. My sympathies to them all even now.
Not really, it also depends on weather conditions. The GPWS warn's you as it did here, even if your doing a visual approach-landing. They hit the water at 250 KTS. It would not have broken up.
That's not what is thought in the airline industry; not with the kind of circuit breaker failures that one is thinking in mind.
The aviation professionals interviewed in the show said that what the pilots thought they had was NOT a big deal. What they thought they had was not a reason to land immediately. Once they realized the real gravity of the scenario, they did begin preparations for landing.
I know what you mean, like the F16s do. I have the same question. I guess this could be very difficult for commercial aircrafts. Army aircrafts are specially designed to do these manouvres very easily.
I know it was nothing like this. China airlines was pilot error but I replied to nerv0582's question which was "Is it possible for comercial aircraft to flip back if they are already up side down"
The answer to the question is, yes, certainly, an upside down airliner can be rolled to upright, if there is enough altitude for the maneuver. After the elevator screw broke completely, it is estimated that the two pilots had to exert 140 pounds of pressure on the controls continuously to maintain level flight. Think about that for a while.
Drag on a moving aircraft is constant no matter the attitude.
... Lift is a function of the roll angle: it is max when the wings are horizontal, zero when vertical. This loss of lift can be tolerated for a short time, if there is enough altitude to recover. Airliners have easily survived roll maneuvers before, but not with passengers aboard, and only by test pilots, and even they sometimes can get careless. A B-52 practicing for an airshow in Washington in the 90s (I think) rolled a little too far at too low an altitude and crashed for this reason.
I did a search for Air crash investigation/mayday " Cutting Corners " part 2 and there were no matches. It goes right to part 3. Can part 2 be reloaded??
Its hard to believe that an airline, and maybe an airplane i actually flew on, had such a horrible accident and i will never fly on an MD-80 again . . .
Well, the grease and the time to place it, which is estimated in the maint records as four man-hours. The maint records show the man doing the job on that plane got it done in 1 hour, leading the NTSB to suspect he didn't lube or check the screw at all. He was under pressure form his management to do it that way.
MD was merged into Boeing - the military components survived, but the civilian components are no longer in use as Boeing has its own pax aviation lines
l think, its my opnion that MD planes aren't safe enough, they have had many crashes, so when l book a ticket l always check which aircraft l will be flying!!
I flew a American Airlines , MD and it was horrible and I agree with you. The noise from the engines was unbeliveable , and when I looked at the wings it was just like the russian planes they where woblying up and down like they where about to fall of!
Silly, the wings are aerodynamically made to "wobble". If the wings did not wobble, they would just break off. You're just scared, like crybaby. Study up on the dynamics of flying and you will understand all the physics involved and feel better abt flying..
All McDonnell Douglas made civilian planes starting from the DC9, DC10, MD80 series, and MD90 series are crap. If you watched MayDay/Aircrash Investigation long enough one will discover that the vast majority of accidents due to design or mechanical problems happen on those 4 types of planes. Accidents also occur on Boeing and Airbus planes, but the majority of those are due to human factors. Thank God that McDonnell Douglas went bankrupt.
battwann88 1 month ago
those two pilots were probably the BEST in the world. they fought to the last minute even tried to fly upside down. so sad that they died :(
rajithaify 2 months ago 2
god bless those souls onboard.
geosurfer1976 2 months ago
I just saw an adversisment for an airline.
MrPixarGuy 4 months ago
Out of all the episodes of ACI, nothing upset me more than this one, mainly because the passengers were conscious for a long time before the plane crashed.......and there were several dives before the final death dive, giving them time to think. Its every flyers worst nightmare. In hindsight its easy to say: "Why the hell didnt they land at LAX as soon as the stabiliser trim failed?!" But the plane was probably doomed before they took off. Tragic that 50c worth of grease can bring down a MD80.
stegatops1 5 months ago
if they pushed the airplanes nose down the second time, they could have regained control since they did it the first time
SunriseHealthFoods 6 months ago
@SunriseHealthFoods No they wouldnt, because the horizontal stabilizer had broken free. Their was nothing the pilots could do any more. If you saw the tail it broke up. Even the elevators flew off. No hope at all nopthing they did weould have saved them that afternoon
FLT111 4 months ago
@SunriseHealthFoods Seriously doubt that. But then again I am not a pilot or mechanic. It just sucks that saving a penny kills people, in any profession.
larsjake 4 weeks ago
@larsjake Nope your a paid gay prostitute! It sucks that getting AIDS kills you in any profession.
TheBighomie6969 3 weeks ago
@TheBighomie6969 Only one who has it would know, as you obviously know. Out of your league here, kid.
larsjake 3 weeks ago
@larsjake JOEY JOEY JOEY. Why are you such a scared little cunt now? What did the rest of your grape sized nuts shrivel up? Keep trying to troll you ignorant little bitch :D
TheBighomie6969 3 weeks ago
@TheBighomie6969 LOL, says the kid that trolls airsoft sites.....something that rhymes with tedophelia comes to mind. :D
larsjake 3 weeks ago
@larsjake LOL JOEY JOEY JOEY JOEY JOEY JOEY JOEY. I love how you defend your airsofting boyfriend who still beats your ass daily. It's quite pathetic cunt.
TheBighomie6969 3 weeks ago
@TheBighomie6969 Why can I not view your comments unless I go outside of your channel....?
larsjake 3 weeks ago
if it aint boeing, i aint going!
sfc7267 6 months ago 2
Amen.........the tail design on the MD80 was a design flaw to start with: no failsafe and three remote points of contact instead of one. Give me a 737 anyday.
stegatops1 5 months ago
@sfc7267 Airbus has a much better safety record in terms of numbers.
pubuman 5 months ago
@sfc7267 No doubt you don't leave that comment on vids about the catastrophic, mysterious and uncontrolled rudder problems on 737s in the '90s. I see 'If it ain't Boeing, I ain't going' comments a lot on YouTube videos, but the fact is ALL aircraft makers have occasional safety issues. Boeing and Airbus both make very safe aircraft generally, and both have excellent safety records. Most problems - just like this one - are likely due to poor maintenance, not inherent issues with an aircraft type.
TheMightyHartley 3 months ago
some tightwad jew caused this flight to crash
waterman1976 6 months ago
there needs to be criminal liability- hold the airlines and unions accountable
cheech41 7 months ago
When they tried to fly the plane upside down- that's when my heart broke. The plane was upside down and falling for over a minute and a half. I dont even want to think about what it must have been like on board. Pure horror
R.I.P to all the victims
And may all the airlines learn from such a horrific crash caused by neglegent maintainace.
back2thefuture1000 7 months ago
The brand of coffee on the cart as it rolls at 9:06 is "Fresh Expression/Impression"......Just, uh, throwin' that out there.
whoohaaXL 9 months ago
I'm so TIRED of people saying "Oh, the chances of a car accident or being struck by lightining are more likely". That's not the whole story....The ONLY reason air travel is marketed as safer than automobiles, is because it goes by the VOLUME OF PEOPLE MOVED PER TRIP/FLIGHT. I'm sorry, but I'll take my chances in my car. I KNOW my limts and would rather not put my life in the hands of a big people moving company....My motto? Plummet from the sky, You're gonna die.
whoohaaXL 9 months ago
@whoohaaXL How many people died on US carriers in the past two years?
0.
Compare THAT to the number of people who died in car crashes in that time. Pilots are trained professionals, and the sky is not filled with drunks and idiots.
Also, look what happens when a plane crashes. CHANGE HAPPENS. An accident like this will never happen again, unlike that multi-ton SUV that smashes into you from nowhere.
metroid255 8 months ago 2
This is the greatest narrator ever.
MegaNorwegianViking 9 months ago
definitely not the way i want to go out, you KNOW those poor passengers were conscious as they dove for the ocean...straight out of a fucking nightmare.
waterman1976 9 months ago
I hate planes, I hate planes, I hate planes.
teaghanbelanger251 9 months ago
I am an A&P...this is scary
Sidewinder71607 9 months ago
MD 80s are very good airplanes better than the DC9s aeromexico has them still
elgatovolador71 10 months ago
@elgatovolador71 The fact that AeroMexico still has them, SHOULD TELL YOU SOMETHING!! Lol.
whoohaaXL 9 months ago
Swiss Air and This one i think are the saddest and most Tragic of all the ACI Episodes. Of course all Crashes are tragic and devastating, but i really felt the sorrow out of those two episodes. Maybe its because the pilots tried everything they could to bring the plane down safely but in the end, no pilot would have been able to do it. They were doomed from the very beginning. :(
Caksman1027 11 months ago
Who narrated this? He's Horrible! I can't imagine Discovery would allow such a poor quality Voice Over artist to air.
TheAmazingCreative 11 months ago
Follow the Money Trail or Lack of It. If money is involved there will be short cuts. Always. Greed Kills.
TheAmazingCreative 11 months ago
My scariest of all, I didn't know it then but I was on an MD80 from England to Greece and I thought the engines at the back were making a weird sort of noise over the alps. The thing is when I looked at the plane from outside before I got on it, it looked old and other people were saying the same. It was with Transjet - I looked on the internet and Transjet went out of business in July 2002 due to safety fears and I was on it late May 2002.
Toby136 11 months ago
I was at ATL last week and i saw plenty of Alaska airplanes. Why are they still allowed to operate? I'm NEVER flying with Alaska!
P1mpMyBr1de 1 year ago
Everything is easy when you are on your seat, and leave it up to God and enjoy the flight
runaway09right 1 year ago 7
@runaway09right
god sucks
yoshinosakura 2 months ago
@runaway09right Absolutely right! But, as you must noticed (not only on this video), God doesn't exist at all.
Kw12345ff 3 weeks ago
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TheMightyHartley 1 year ago
Meh .. i dont like this narrators voice ... his voice is too deep!
kanistor22 1 year ago
fuck this american accents annoying
stealthkick 1 year ago
ill tell you what aircraft mechanics are the best in the world- in what they do each day- remember - every accident creates better maintence, the american fleet, by far are the best aircraft ever in the world- tragic accident- no doubt! remember when you get on an faa - american fleet plane- your on the best!- i encourage you to look deeper, we have resolved the md-80s jackscrew problem- alaska is unreal these days in saftey record- as all american carriers
seattlefw190 1 year ago
@seattlefw190 Not all of them. Look at Qantas right now. Two engine failures in two days.
airplanegod 1 year ago
fuck that sucks......rip!
riddlebrandan 1 year ago
What good were the circuit breakers if they did not trip when overloaded with the pilot's strenuous efforts to get the horizontal stabilizer to move?
rmachayes 1 year ago
they where to work on a great company , but the tail decides to just malfunction that specific day??
shodan1997 1 year ago
Whistle blowers can now use wikileaks I suppose?
bluenail90 1 year ago
This really stinks
MrEliben 1 year ago
by the rate the A/C is falling....
the a/c would have disintegrated on impact and would've crushed all 88 people onboard
R.I.P
AndyMcArren1356 1 year ago
MD's DC's whatever they are.. they should stop flying them
LiguidNitrogen 1 year ago
@LiguidNitrogen
so far
the md-11's are the safest mc donnell douglas plane of all time
AndyMcArren1356 1 year ago
@AndyMcArren1356 maybe, but its simple.. those planes have crashed countless numbers of times. why would a company manufacture only one plane, because its the only safe one? i see no point in making them.
LiguidNitrogen 1 year ago
@LiguidNitrogen This crash had nothing to do with the maker of the plane. This crash happened becasue Alaska Airlines cut corners. The jackscrew assembly was improperly maintained. You can't place that on the the people who made the plane.
Epica124 1 year ago 4
@Epica124 uhhh i know, but it doesnt change the fact that mc donnell has had a shitty safety record
LiguidNitrogen 1 year ago
@LiguidNitrogen That is true. But just remember not ever crash was because it was a McDonnell. ;)
Epica124 1 year ago
This is one of the most supenseful crashes I've ever seen. So sad.
kevintheartist 1 year ago
I love the narrators voice! Its soo much better than the crap Euro narrator
Great, eye opening show too
LOLMAN22 1 year ago
@LOLMAN22 Europe thinks your American narrator sounds crap
Carbon657 1 year ago 4
Alaska Airlines is a very good airline its just so sad that these people had to die just to go back home and see their familys theres is really no reason for a fear of a plane a plane is actually safer than a car theres a bot 5 plane crashes a year theres over 5 car crashes in 2 hours!!
brendon1998 1 year ago
after watching five of these, i now have a fear for planes
funfunfunny1234 1 year ago
@funfunfunny1234 A fear for planes or a fear of planes?
Synergy9k 1 year ago
How tragic...
61paradise 1 year ago
lololololololol
flamerblazer 1 year ago
i just went on an alaska airlines flight it was really good u get free drinks and free wi fi :D
maxwellus000123 1 year ago
@maxwellus000123 Crashing is also free.
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pilotman1009 1 year ago
i personly love 737's cause the overall feel of the plane is nice and usually they are pretty safe
radar3699 1 year ago
Well I am a MVP for Alaska and a pilot but not for Alaska but I think that by not greasing the jackscrew that the part would just jam up not freaking rip from the socket
Twelaal 1 year ago
when i was young i went on an alaska air to new york 737 i believe it was a good flight and the face on the tail reminded me of the KFC dude
tripletriple2010 1 year ago
Typical sensationalism. The FAA and Boeing both had given approval to the maintenance procedures used by ASA on that aircraft. The NTSB scapegoated ASA. It's right in the actual report, not this sensationalized nonsense.
My wife lost friends on that flight, but I'm not putting blame where it doesn't belong.
Gromit801 1 year ago
@Gromit801 I don't have anything to back up the scapegoat claim that's made, but I think there was a bit more to the crash than maintenance procedures. It appears that part of the issue was the assumption in the cockpit that the problem was solely with the actuation motors. However, if you're operating machinery and a component is stuck, forcing the part to move often causes a lot more problems than it solves. So I was a little surprised when the motors were forced again abreast of LA.
suhail3920 1 year ago
You don have to watch the entire chapter to understand it:
American Crappy Planes strike again...
Funfisique 1 year ago
@Funfisique Crappy? Are you that biased? NO aviation manufacturer in the world can be called crappy. Most of the errors first of all are from airline mistakes not manufacturer, so chill out.
vroomba03 1 year ago
@Funfisique I'm American, but I HATE American cars. I will say that our planes are pretty good, but always upstaged by the AirBus.
whoohaaXL 9 months ago
@whoohaaXL ....as a pilot I can attest that the Boeing 777 and 787 are probably the best ever aircraft in the sky today.....in my opinion
9sshty6 8 months ago
i'm flying to maui in september, yet am obsessed with these plane crash stories? wtf, why?
waterman1976 1 year ago
@waterman1976 You too, eh? I'm goin home in September....Happy Trails for us both I hope <_<
DarkMuu666 1 year ago
@DarkMuu666 Yeah, I had no problem with flying until I researched the truth behind the "Flying is safer than driving" claim you here so much. Well, come to find out that is based on # of miles traveled, not # of trips. You may have to think about it a second, but when you consider the # of trips, a plane is only more safer than a bicycle and motorcycle! Of course if you consider the # of miles, the plane would look safe since you travel so far on them on one trip.
eruditesickle0216 1 year ago
@eruditesickle0216
'here so much"
"a plane is only more safer"
Are you a Harvard professor researching modes of travel?
zbalat 1 year ago
@zbalat What a joke on an informal comment board like this! Clown...
eruditesickle0216 1 year ago
@eruditesickle0216 Yeah I only plan on a (realtively) short flight of less than 6 hours a piece. I still hate it.
DarkMuu666 1 year ago
man tat sucks it crashed thats sad
Airlineboy4590 1 year ago
The people who canned the whistle blower should be jailed for life.
johntitorlives 1 year ago
Could ring alive Anacapia Island
travelplus1 1 year ago
Mad Dog 83 FTW!!! Cutting corners FTL!!! Maintenance give McDonnell Douglas planes a bad rap!
BusterBunker 1 year ago
in all of the air crashes i've seen, and ive seen alot of crashes, this would probably be one of the most tragic, what a horrible way to die. upside down and suddenly..plimff!!
StupidBlech 1 year ago 2
Strange that the circuit breakers did not cut in when heavy manual input strained the circuit.
rmachayes 1 year ago
@rmachayes I know. What's the point of a breaker if it doesn't do Jack Shit?
whoohaaXL 9 months ago
MD-80 is lovely plane
88anson88 1 year ago
All air crashes are terrible (of course), particularly fatal ones, but this is, in my opinion, the worst of all.
The plane didn't even break up at altitude, which would have a least spared those poor passengers the terror of plummeting out of control for two minutes before the MD-80 hit the water.
I can't begin to imagine the horror on board. R.I.P. to each and every one of them.
TheMightyHartley 1 year ago 47
@TheMightyHartley they were probably dead before they hit the water due to the g forces...god rest their souls!!
skd101589 1 year ago
@TheMightyHartley I think the crash of the JAL123 is the worst. The people on board suffered for 30 minutes!
GE0RGEBUSH 1 year ago
@GE0RGEBUSH I don't know being in free fall up sidedown until you hit the water. At lest there were 4 people that live in the JAL 123 crash. No one was walking away from this one.
Epica124 1 year ago
@TheMightyHartley well, if the plane "broke up at altitude" as you say, the passengers would still have individually plummeted a terrifying 2-4 minutes into the ocean, while fully conscious-- either way, there's no avoiding the horrifying plummet
cowsquid 1 year ago
@cowsquid
What on earth makes you think they'd have been conscious had the plane broken up? With the change in air pressure and the incredible speed they would have been instantaneously subjected to, they'd be rendered immediately unconscious.
Re. the Air France crash, here's a quote from a trauma expert on high-altitude break-up:
"Professor Philippe Juvin, head of casualty at Beaujon hospital west of Paris, said: "It would have been as quick as the moment when one falls asleep."
TheMightyHartley 1 year ago
@TheMightyHartley I wouldnt be so sure of that, in all cases,
cowsquid 1 year ago
@TheMightyHartley He said it DIDN'T break up, and that if it DID at least it WOULD HAVE spared them the horror of diving into the ocean.
whoohaaXL 9 months ago
@whoohaaXL I think you meant this for someone else; it was me who said those things.
TheMightyHartley 9 months ago
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BABS7474 1 year ago
@TheMightyHartley this isn't the worst one there's far worse then this what about the dc10 or tenerife
krugerfuchs 8 months ago
@krugerfuchs Well, it's pointless getting into a 'which crash was the worst debate', but the only reason I said I thought this was the worst (remember, it's only my opinion) is that unlike the crashes you mentioned, these people had plenty of time to realise they were doomed (two and a half minutes), and the plane was tumbling violently out of control for the entire descent (mostly inverted).
TheMightyHartley 8 months ago
@TheMightyHartley yes you're right i wasn't meaning that to sound like arguing with you the dc10 turkish 981 was similar but can you really call them accidents since what caused them was known and overlooked for money i should be starting flight training in september
krugerfuchs 8 months ago
@TheMightyHartley
the final plummet must've been straight out of a nightmare.
waterman1976 3 months ago
this is my vote for the best ACI episode
aerozo 1 year ago
I think Alaska is responsible because they decided to put off routine maintenance just to stay competitive. Typical corprate greed.
wazithefreak 1 year ago
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Better than Band of Brothers? I just watched it online at lastnightstvshows (.) com
tranquilisolati 1 year ago
Does anyone know at what days and what time can I watch "Air Crash Investigation" in National Geographyc Portugal?
biaskatergirl 1 year ago
@biaskatergirl Its on YouTube.
strawberrywineaazz 1 year ago
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0:15 - 0:45 HOW THE FUCK CAN YOU BE SO SHORTSIGHTED????!!! The harsh truth is that PLANES GO DOWN. It's just as likely for you to be on it. If it's in the news it doesn't mean it's not gonna happen to you. Fucking idiot.
Ed3819 1 year ago
No it's not, with 6 billion or better people in the world, its a game of odds. He's right though, it depends on how much you fly, weather it will happen to you is rare, but that is no comfort to the people is does happen to.
Daniel7681 1 year ago 22
@Daniel7681 wheather is sunny today
Ssendecki 1 year ago
@Ssendecki What does that have to do with anything? lol :p
Daniel7681 1 year ago
@Daniel7681
You know, you can be killed right in front of your house by car, for example. No even need to fly.
FastGreenFCF 1 year ago
@FastGreenFCF Ya, in fact the chances of that are more likely compared to being killed in a plane accident.
Daniel7681 1 year ago
Burn you need corrected 20/20. So if its not gotta get the glasses. Many pilots use them. As most captains are 50 plus, very few of us have 20/20 at that age.
gbthecoach 1 year ago
dont you have to have 20/20 vision to fly?
BurnSpangler 1 year ago
ironically, staying on autopilot and not tinkering could have saved them. not that that would be the right choice 9/10 of the time, and one can't tell the difference in the moment.
iiiset 1 year ago
I blame Alaska Airlines but I also blame McDonnell Douglas for not having a backup system to the jackscrew assembly on the MD80 range..... I think that is very poor on their part. At the end of the day this is probably the most horrendous crash I have watched..
fluffycheep 1 year ago
Sometimes I wonder how any airline can stay in buisiness indefinitely. Many end up with a grim choice...cut costs and compromise safety, or go out of buisiness Im from Oz and Qantas faced this choice recently..since they outsourced their maintenance to a foreign country their safety record has been tarnished...but had they not done so, its likely they would not be around today (which is bad, as it means more monopoly for the others, more compromises, higher fares and less choice.)
stegatops 1 year ago
If we would ban all Regional and low fare airlines from doing what they do then airline compansy such as Qantas, Delta, Singapore, etc would not have to cut costs to maintenance just to compete with regionals and low fare airlines.
Epica124 1 year ago
I`ve seen many of air crash, but this wan hest the most inpact on my.
Loesje0595 1 year ago
Spent all day watching air disasters. Will never board an airplane again, ever. DAMN your eyes, you tube!
kassandrasduplex 2 years ago
@kassandrasduplex
There's no reason not to ever get on a plane again! Just fly with a carrier that is known not to cut corners. Alaska Airlines was not a major airline and they really had very few planes and only flew cheap flights. Southwest is an excellent airline with no air disaster history. I would hop a flight anywhere in a New York Minute. I love flying, it relaxes me and I fall asleep like a baby. Sometimes, it's just best to pay a little more and feel safe.
cdlish03 1 year ago 2
CDlish: Alaska Airlines was known for steak dinners in first class and for having pretty good service in coach. It had fairly good front end service. The problem was with the management making decisions to skimp on maintenance that passengers could not know about.
Nowadays Alaska has standard US carrier service and fares around the same as the legacies and Southwest, but this is over 10 years later
Vikkoman 1 year ago
So, why did it take such a horrific incident to get the airline to offer steak dinners? Please, I will pass on the steak when it comes to losing a life because of a jackscrew failure. One cannot compare the safety record of Southwest, which has never had any major inflight incident, to any airline which has placed passengers in jeopardy. The worst that Southwest ever did was recently, bumping an old has been off a flight cuz he was too lazy to get out and work a few pounds off.
cdlish03 1 year ago
Even "high service" airlines can have trouble. Pan Am made a show of attention about how it had such great security - then PA103 happened and the public learned that the airline in fact had horrible security screening and was lying - PA went bankrupt
Southwest has not had any incidents where any pax died in an accident. There was the incident in Chicago in 2005, where a little boy in a passing car died. Flight 1455 in Burbank had no deaths, but it lead to the airline's only hull loss.
Vikkoman 1 year ago
lol, right
noladol 1 year ago
@kassandrasduplex So ture
dogs071 1 year ago
Oh good grief! Ive watched many of the air disaster shows on youtube and i feel that aviation as a whole is far safer than it used to be. Everytime something like this happens, flight safety climbs higher and higher. It is FAR safer to fly nowadays than drive a car.
You do know that every time you get in your car, you have a much higher statistical chance of dying in a car crash than in an airplane. Do a google search on the statistics of flying compared to driving and you will see what i mean
sonictraxx 1 year ago
spent all day watching car crashes. Will never board a car again, ever. DARN your eyes, you tube!
;)
Vikkoman 1 year ago
The LA Times reported today that the families gathered at location of the crash off of Ventura CA. It's a terrible instance of corporate culture and money placed ahead of the safety of the crew and passengers. My sympathies to them all even now.
bryangalt 2 years ago 2
When the plane at something like 9:40, travel overspeed, wouldn't it break up by than?
AndyMcArren1356 2 years ago 2
Not really, it also depends on weather conditions. The GPWS warn's you as it did here, even if your doing a visual approach-landing. They hit the water at 250 KTS. It would not have broken up.
pettyofficer30 2 years ago
high amplitude oscillations due to high speed can not be overcome even pilots slow the plane down. then catastrophy is inevitable.
greatestdirector 2 years ago
By then the airplane was well below 30,000 feet - it was more like 15,000
If it fell straight at 30,000 it likely would have broken up.
Vikkoman 1 year ago
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very good! many people died... hahahahaha
n15n15n15 2 years ago
If something on a control surface breaks, and it effects the way you fly the plane, always land asap.
fdsajklj 2 years ago 2
Yeah, the pilots thought they were dealing with an electrical failure... by the time the first fall happened, they knew they had to land ASAP
Vikkoman 1 year ago
Even with an electrical failure, you should land as soon as possible.
fdsajklj 1 year ago
That's not what is thought in the airline industry; not with the kind of circuit breaker failures that one is thinking in mind.
The aviation professionals interviewed in the show said that what the pilots thought they had was NOT a big deal. What they thought they had was not a reason to land immediately. Once they realized the real gravity of the scenario, they did begin preparations for landing.
Vikkoman 1 year ago
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random234r 2 years ago
do you reilize, people died in this accident ! and your making jokes in the comment box
go and find people who care about stupid chain mail because everyone who has commented this(apart from you) don't!!:@
aabbii93here 2 years ago
I always have a question, since I watch this series. Is it possible for comercial aircraft to flip back if they are alrdy in a up side down.
nerv0582 2 years ago
I know what you mean, like the F16s do. I have the same question. I guess this could be very difficult for commercial aircrafts. Army aircrafts are specially designed to do these manouvres very easily.
hrbear 2 years ago
Damn, then the poilt must know they are doom.
nerv0582 2 years ago
its possible but very hard. search up
"china airlines flight 006". It happened to them and they managed to correct it.
LSBonnPower 2 years ago
@LSBonnPower china airlines flight 006 was nothing like this this was a catastrophic mechanical malfunction
badgerattoadhall 2 years ago
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I know it was nothing like this. China airlines was pilot error but I replied to nerv0582's question which was "Is it possible for comercial aircraft to flip back if they are already up side down"
LSBonnPower 2 years ago
The answer to the question is, yes, certainly, an upside down airliner can be rolled to upright, if there is enough altitude for the maneuver. After the elevator screw broke completely, it is estimated that the two pilots had to exert 140 pounds of pressure on the controls continuously to maintain level flight. Think about that for a while.
Drag on a moving aircraft is constant no matter the attitude.
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puncheex 1 year ago
... Lift is a function of the roll angle: it is max when the wings are horizontal, zero when vertical. This loss of lift can be tolerated for a short time, if there is enough altitude to recover. Airliners have easily survived roll maneuvers before, but not with passengers aboard, and only by test pilots, and even they sometimes can get careless. A B-52 practicing for an airshow in Washington in the 90s (I think) rolled a little too far at too low an altitude and crashed for this reason.
puncheex 1 year ago
The high tail is a weak link in the chain...........it reqires 3 remote joins instead of one, as in a standard tail design.
Give me a 737 anyday.
stegatops 2 years ago 7
the pilots were 'like jiggling the key in the lock' when it wont fit - trying this and trying that !!!!
jotkon 2 years ago
I think this is one of the most horrendous disasters I have come across!
fluffycheep 2 years ago 2
7:44 wasn't Richard Rodriguez in the episode "Flying Blind"?
AndyMcArren1356 2 years ago
look the reconstructions reuse many people
Abduhah14 2 years ago
Yes. It seems like the segments featuring him in regards to the Aeroperu and Alaska episodes were filmed around the same time
Vikkoman 1 year ago
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AndyMcArren1356 2 years ago
Just the smell of air plane food can make me feel physically sick.
poodtang1 2 years ago 14
@poodtang1 Fly low cost and you will never get airplane food :P
breabanm 1 year ago
@breabanm
I bring my own food now. I'd rather eat a bag of cookies then the crap they serve.
poodtang1 1 year ago
@poodtang1 You made me smile after being depressed from watching this :D
TortleofWar 1 year ago
@poodtang1 have you ever flown before
vvPcTechHelpvv 1 year ago
@vvPcTechHelpvv
I've flown about 40 times.
poodtang1 1 year ago
I did a search for Air crash investigation/mayday " Cutting Corners " part 2 and there were no matches. It goes right to part 3. Can part 2 be reloaded??
JanesCalamity 2 years ago
JanesCalamity:
1 type cutting corners in the search bar
2 a list will appear
3 part 2 should be the near the top
poodtang1 2 years ago
06:58 is that the autopilot
ATEPAWSK 2 years ago
No, the autopilot is near the top of the front panel. It's above all the main instruments.
RippedWookie 2 years ago
Hard to believe 50c worth of grease can bring down a commercial airliner.........shocking crash this was.
stegatops 2 years ago 4
Its hard to believe that an airline, and maybe an airplane i actually flew on, had such a horrible accident and i will never fly on an MD-80 again . . .
BrooksPerkins 2 years ago
While the MD-80 design flaw was not fixed, nowadays airlines know that they have to lubricate the jackscrew.
Anyway, Alaska retired all of its MD-80s, but several carriers still fly M80s and DC-9s.
Vikkoman 1 year ago
Well, the grease and the time to place it, which is estimated in the maint records as four man-hours. The maint records show the man doing the job on that plane got it done in 1 hour, leading the NTSB to suspect he didn't lube or check the screw at all. He was under pressure form his management to do it that way.
puncheex 1 year ago
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thank god md is dead
mortallove12 2 years ago
NO its not
countrytalk97 2 years ago
MD was merged into Boeing - the military components survived, but the civilian components are no longer in use as Boeing has its own pax aviation lines
Vikkoman 1 year ago
l think, its my opnion that MD planes aren't safe enough, they have had many crashes, so when l book a ticket l always check which aircraft l will be flying!!
badboyFranca 2 years ago
I flew a American Airlines , MD and it was horrible and I agree with you. The noise from the engines was unbeliveable , and when I looked at the wings it was just like the russian planes they where woblying up and down like they where about to fall of!
ClassicMusicOnly 2 years ago
Silly, the wings are aerodynamically made to "wobble". If the wings did not wobble, they would just break off. You're just scared, like crybaby. Study up on the dynamics of flying and you will understand all the physics involved and feel better abt flying..
cdlish03 1 year ago