Gods and Generals- You'll Thank Me In The Morning

[ZombieSurvivalist11]

While the Irish Brigade scene wasn't entirely accurate I did have a tear in my eye as I to am of Irish decent. and I believe I had a relative that fought in this battle.

I also had a tear in my eye when the manor lady told her daughter that they donated food to Ireland that might have fed some of the Union Irish.

[DukeofSahara]

A war that should of never happen, a war that put men to their graves and the wounds are still trying to heal.

[Ksgamer103]

RevBill- what does bald heads hafe to do with the civil war?? lol i looked at your post and im like- what the heck...

[Faxe90Swe]

@Ksgamer103

I asked how old he was, and he answered honestly - no bald spot. Was outside the Civil War issue, but relevant to the question I asked. We kind of bonded, so I found the audacity to ask about his age ;)

[LimeyK]

Very stunning film and soundtrack, thats all I can say.

[MattyBur1]

'lie quiet genral, or you most certinily will be killed'

[TheConservative13]

"My religous belief teaches me to feel as safe in battle as in bed. GOD has fixed the time for my death, i do not concern myself with that..But to be always ready, whenever it may overtake me. That is the way all men should live, then all men would be equally brave." Thomas J. Jackson.

[Faxe90Swe]

@TheConservative13

And everyone would be equally bloodthirsty and uncompromising (the black flag), indifferent to human suffering (after all, it's god's plan!) and have a habit of staring at the sky and talking to themselves.

[cody92697]

Oh my god.....I'm trying to say a lot of people put the CSA and the Waffen SS in the same group and how that's unethical of them.

[MrCandyman1900]

@cody92697 Do you want me to show you where you did put them in the same category. Make sure you know your history before you come onto a live forum and make yourself look like a complete donkey.

[Faxe90Swe]

@MrCandyman1900

It hasn't got anything to do with knowing your history in such a case. It got to do with opinions, ethics. Make the category of "evil" causes big enough and you could fit the CSA in there. I personally don't, but I can see why other people do. Most often it's because they lack the understanding of historical relativism and idea/moral attributes of yesterday... so yeah, in that sense it got to do with knowing your history, but not as you meant it

[MrCandyman1900]

@Faxe90Swe

What exactly was so evil about the CSA? They LEGALLY succeeded from the Union. The only mistake the south made was firing on Fort Sumter. Do you know who the first slave actually was? It was a white man, he was an indentured servant and he ran away. They put him on trial and sentenced him to become a slave for 5 years. Slavery is not a good thing and I will never agree to it. But what the South had done was legal. What they did wasn't evil either. NAZIs killed 6 million people... btw

[Faxe90Swe]

@MrCandyman1900

I don't think the constitution explicitly gives the right of secession, but it gives the people the right to fight overt tyrannical governments.

Anyway, to my experience, with the exception of the flag-waving yankee, people generally don't dislike the CSA for its secession, but for the institution of slavery, which it preserved and promoted. Now, we know that the average CSA soldier in the ranks fought for his home and family, but the politicians very much sought to...

[MrCandyman1900]

@Faxe90Swe I honestly do not understand why people put them under the same category... It's rediculous...

[Faxe90Swe]

@MrCandyman1900

preserve slavery and promote it. People usually make the mistake of believing that every CSA citizen was a hardcore slavery idealist, and that's why they equal them with the nazis. Or so I think, anyway. As you say, it's ridiculous.

[cody92697]

I think it is unethical to hate the Confederates just because of the slaves. They believed in what they believed and we need to respect that even if its racist. They fought for what they thought was right and I'm pretty sure every one does the same. Personally I'm from a border state (Kentucky) so idk what side i would pick. I'm not supporting the CSA cause but they can be put in the same condition as the Nazi SS, We certainly don't have to admire them, but we must respect them.

[RevBillyRayCollins]

@cody92697 You say the CSA can be compared to the Nazi SS?!!! How the hell could you say that?!!! Its not like the states in the CSA were the only states with slaves, the 4 border states (KY) has slaves also, and they were allowed to keep them until 1865 unlike the CSA which were to be freed in 1863, comparing them to Nazis is just wrong, it was the union that destroyed southern towns, burned farms, and killed civilians.

[Faxe90Swe]

@RevBillyRayCollins

By the time Sherman began burning villages CSA forces had already set the example, the Lawrence massacre, for example. And the CSA was offered reconciliation and to keep their slaves. Several times.

[RevBillyRayCollins]

@Faxe90Swe So according to you its completely okay then, they killed are civilians so we can kill theirs. I've never heard of your latter sentence, I know some people in the north wanted the war to just end and form a truce but that didnt exactly fly with Lincoln, he wanted war. And theres a diff. btwn. Lawrence, one town known to have commited similar attacks in proslave areas, and Sherman who scourged vast quantities of the south, burning EVERYTHING in his path, yes very heroic the north is.

[Faxe90Swe]

@RevBillyRayCollins

It's never okay, but that's not the issue. The issue is that people gladly rant about how evil the one side was, while completely ignoring atrocities commited by the other; it's the same with the history of every conflict.

And I have always been critical of the "March to the Sea", no argument there. However, the purpose of the ransacking of the South was very similar to the one that lead America to nuke Japan; a speedy end to the war.

[RevBillyRayCollins]

@Faxe90Swe I dont recall saying anything about good or evil, I was just stating facts about the faults of the other side and I admit I didnt mention the wrong doings of the CSA but why would I, a good debater doesnt say why they themself is wrong they say why the other guy is wrong. But thats just for a good debater not a well respected one. But while Im off topic, theres a diff. btwn. are debating styles Im someone who hammers you with facts and I can get heated and emotional, you appear to be

[Faxe90Swe]

@RevBillyRayCollins

Thus, I am very intrigued by the history of the American Revolution, as well as that of late 17th century England (although I'l read anything that got to do with pre-ww2 America and Britain.

I also like the history of exploration and science. How about you?

[RevBillyRayCollins]

@Faxe90Swe What do you do for a living? You seem to be a well educated man, smarter than me probably especially in your social skills, of course Im not claiming to be a genius. If you arent now then I would consider persuing a career in history. For me Im a park ranger at Historic Jamestowne in Williamsburg Virginia, if you like history about the founding of America and the Civil War I would visit down here because it is rich in history.

[Faxe90Swe]

@RevBillyRayCollins

I actually study military history at a University. Sporadically I work in my dad's company, in the forest industry.

You're the first ever to commend me for social skills, lol. I'm very solitarian, some might even say asocial. Then again, I think the only difference between social and asocial people is that once asocial people are polite and friendly, they're sincere.

[RevBillyRayCollins]

@Faxe90Swe Ah so your a college student, what do you want to do later in life?

Since we arent having a face to face conversation it can be difficult to infer what someone is, and how they are, saying it. See, solitarian I never even heard of that word till now.

What I do as a ranger is I give tours, lectures, history lessons to students, and walk around the park and answer questions. Other rangers have diff. duties but that is mine.

[Faxe90Swe]

@RevBillyRayCollins

Well, I'm not the best student, I'm very lazy. But if I could pull it off, I'd like to become a professional historian. Otherwise I could settle for archivist, although your job seems very interesting and fun. Sadly though, I don't think we have similar jobs in Sweden, we're really lousy when it comes to taking care of our historical sites. I've also thought of a military career, but in Sweden you can only serve for eight years and I don't have the best physics.

[RevBillyRayCollins]

@Faxe90Swe You live in Sweden? Thats interesting I thought you were an American. I know what solitary means I just never seen it used in that form before and yes Ive heard his song. A lonewolf eh? Im more of the outcasted alpha male who watches from a distance and if asked gives wise advice. Haha, yeah I guess thats kind of right if my ex wife is the wolf who took the pack, or my kids, from me and I can only see them once in awhile. I shouldnt be talking about that anyway. Whats your view on the

[Faxe90Swe]

@RevBillyRayCollins

Then I started reading scholarly works on the subject, and found myself converted into a pro-Union sentiment. Then, as I read more and more books on American history, about the Revolutionary era and the early Republic, I found that you can't fully appreciate the ideologies of the civil war unless you're familiar with earlier American history. True, the CSA ideology justified slavery, but it also sincerely advocated liberty and republicanism just as any Founder would.

[Faxe90Swe]

@RevBillyRayCollins

In that way it was a minority tyranny, and the Southerners also had a fifth of a vote for every slave - which in itself breaks the property arguments of the Confederates, because if slaves were property like any other property, then why didn't Northern people get a fifth of a vote for their cows and so on? So really, I'm surprised the Northerners weren't the ones to seceed and rebel. But they didn't haft to, because democratic election placed Lincoln at the rudder...

[RevBillyRayCollins]

@Faxe90Swe secession, I feel under the tenth amend. those rights are reserved for the states. Same thing with the Civil Rights Act of '64, where in the Const does it give the feds that right? People all the time tell me Im a racist for my beliefs, which is totally wrong, though were not all blood related I have white, black, asian, and American Indian in my family. I just believe in strictly following the US Const. The Union at the time of the war violated the Const many times and that is not

[Faxe90Swe]

@RevBillyRayCollins

Sweden can only be compared to the US in those terms if we see Sweden as an integral part of the European Union. If we do, then I can speak for most of my countrymen by saying that our allegiance is still very much to our country, not to the Lisbon Treaty. Then again, the EU is pretty young, and the ardent Unionists are yet to come, those who will see the EU as their nation. When they do, I will be on the side of the patriot rebels. So I can relate to your sentiments.

[Faxe90Swe]

@RevBillyRayCollins

The Union and the Confederacy ideologically rested upon one each of the two major political divisions in America: Jefferson's yeoman Republicanism for the CSA, and the nation-building Federalism of Hamilton for the Union. So both ideological camps of the civil war were justified by Founding fathers, so none can be disregarded as "un-American". And both ideologies have their plus and minuses.

[Faxe90Swe]

@RevBillyRayCollins

but that didn't sit well with the Southerners, if they couldn't dominate politics, they wouldn't play.

So I guess no, I don't think the South had a right to seceed.

I feel I need to say that no disrespect is intended by my ranting.

[RevBillyRayCollins]

@Faxe90Swe No disrespect taken, I enjoy peoples opinions and why they feel that way granted I respect the guy talking. My views are clearly pro CSA, for multiple reasons. I had family fight for the south, Ive lived in dixie all my life, Virginia is my home, and Im a strong advocate for states righs. Slavery is wrong, but both sides had slaves till the end of the war. To me since there is nothing in the Const. about slavery, other than the slave trade will end in 1808, and nothing in there about

[Faxe90Swe]

@RevBillyRayCollins

I for one only have a little Belgian Walloon blood in my veins besides my viking blood;)

In which wars would that be, that your ancestors fought the US? And how do you mean when you say that both sides had slaves, do you include the border states that conformed to the Union?

[RevBillyRayCollins]

@Faxe90Swe Yes that is what I mean, those border states that did not join the CSA remained with the Union and had slaves. The wars my ancestors fought against the US or what would be the US are French and Indian War where the tribe I belong to, Chippewa, joined with the French. Civil War where I had family fight for the CSA. The Indian Wars where my ancestors fought against the oppresive US military, and WW1 where my great grandfather on my mothers side was a German infantryman. Neat I think.

[Faxe90Swe]

@RevBillyRayCollins

You say the oppressive US, as oppressive of the Indians I guess?. Now, again no disrespect, but let's look at it this way. The Indian Removal Act was enacted by President Jackson - Jackson was from the Carolinas. He also slaughtered the Creek in his youth. In Cherokee Nation vs. Georgia, in 1813, the Supreme Court ruled that the Cherokee was not a sovereign people - the Chief of Justice was the Virginian John Marshall.

[RevBillyRayCollins]

@Faxe90Swe Ah you caught on to my evil plan, Im just kidding. True they were all Virginians but the Chippewa nation, a branch of the Ojibwe, is found around the Great Lakes, my band specifically in northern Wisconsin, not Virginia. But nobody is perfect, if I resented the people responsible for the actions against American Indians I would be at war with Spain, France, Portugal, England, and America and thats kind of unreasonable. But dont get me wrong, I hate Pres. Jackson. 2nd worst president

[Faxe90Swe]

@RevBillyRayCollins

And THE worst president would be Lincoln?

[RevBillyRayCollins]

@Faxe90Swe Yep, Lincoln in my opinion would be the number one worst president in American history followed by Jackson and then Obama. The number one best president in my opinion would be Theodore Roosevelt followed by Thomas Jefferson and then James Monroe. Whats your opinion on this subject? Worst/best presidents?

[Faxe90Swe]

@RevBillyRayCollins

Hmm, I only know the famour presidents. But I guess this would be my list -

Best: John Adams, Franklin D. Roosevelt and Abraham Lincoln or Dwight Eizenhower

Worst: Richard Nixon, George Bush and... hm, the third worst stands between Ulysses Grant, Jackson and Lyndon B. Johnson.

This list is probably gonna change dramatically the more I read up on American history, nothing's definite.

[RevBillyRayCollins]

@Faxe90Swe Adams had the Alien and Sedition act thats why I dont care for him, I didnt much like FDR running for 4 terms, there was a campaign button against him that read "Washington wouldnt, Grant couldnt, and Roosevelt shouldnt", and he turned the country into a welfare state. You know my views on Lincoln, but I do like Eisenhower. Which Bush is that? I didnt like the first Bush because he lied about no new taxes, his son was fine though I never voted for him, Grant was just clueless,

[Faxe90Swe]

@RevBillyRayCollins

If you think America has been a welfare state at any time in its history, you're wrong. I come from THE welfare state of the world, and here even the most extreme anti-socialists, including me, consider running water, education, health, a clean bed, electricity and access to media to be truly natural rights, in the same category as right of speech. FDR only wanted to include these most natural and obvious rights among the the other rights that Americans take pride in.

[RevBillyRayCollins]

@Faxe90Swe I agree the US isnt comparable to some Euro nations as being a welfare state but still, Im against medicare and medicaid and I think there should be drastic changes to social security. I dont believe in equality I believe in fairness and there is a diff. I feel that if you are unable to achieve health care or whatever then it sucks to be you, maybe a charity org. can help you but the govt shouldnt. This Obamacare is completely unconstitutional. I like the Monroe doct. because it

[Faxe90Swe]

@RevBillyRayCollins

I feel that a people that is taxed should get something in return besides Tomahawk missiles and very rich banks and politicians. Ín Sweden we've taken that concept way too far, and it's so "humane" that people can easily take advantage of it, and they do, so I know first hand the problems with social security - there is that balanced middle road that we must find.

[RevBillyRayCollins]

@Faxe90Swe Saying healthcare is a natural right over here in the US would get you called a left wing socialist. I dont say things like that however, but I dont agree with universal healthcare. I just dont think the constitution gives the feds that power. It should be left to the states. Anyway, I just remembered something that happened last year related to the American Civil War, Virginia's present governor Bob Mcdonell issued that April in Virginia was Confederate History Month, of course that

[Faxe90Swe]

@RevBillyRayCollins

It pretty ironic that while Europeans call me right wing extremist, even nazi sometimes, Americans would call me socialist for what to me is a non-issue. Having a guarantee to be patched up when you're injured or sick doesn't really define socialism in my book. Yet that is what i like with America, a firm solid opposition to socialism. I just think you take it too far sometimes, it almost borders on paranoia. Health care apart I would fit in with the Tea Party movement.

[RevBillyRayCollins]

@Faxe90Swe Yeah it could be called paranoid, ha. Whether its communism, terrorism, facism, socialism we go overboard. Personally Im against any gun restrictions, to me it grants the people to bear arms and the states should have no authority since its in the Const. Ive never been on the 66 before so I dont know what its like, but Virginia is great, if you love history come here. Especially where I live which is called the Historic Triangle since you got Yorktown, Jamestown, and Willamsburg all

[Faxe90Swe]

@RevBillyRayCollins

That's why I want to see the east coast - it's riddled with history. I'd want to visit battlefields and such. I'm not fond of big cities, but I'd still like to see at least New York and Philadelphia.

I think people have a right to celebrate their history, contemporary political correctness shouldn't interfere.

Sorry to hear about the girl.

[Faxe90Swe]

@RevBillyRayCollins

Social Security policies and his Highway act, as well as his "Eisenhower Doctrine", which was a good thought but poorly executed by later presidents.

[Faxe90Swe]

@RevBillyRayCollins

I meant the latest Bush. Until only couple of weeks ago i didn't have a clear set of views on him, but after learning that his administration has been proved to have lied to the American public on literally hundreds of occasions, mostly to justify the Iraq war, both before and during it, I don't like him very much.

[RevBillyRayCollins]

@Faxe90Swe intelligence suggested otherwise, same way they thought bay of pigs would work. But to justify Iraq, a dictator is gone who claimed to have WMDs and killed thousands of his own people, the taliban arent a huge force anymore and it is a much safer place to be than before. But as I said before, I thought he was okay, though I never voted for him.

[Faxe90Swe]

@RevBillyRayCollins

That's just it - the "intelligence" suggesting otherwise was false fabrications. And yes, morally it was a justified war, given the nature of the regime, but then again, if America is to take down every oppressive regime then why don't they invade Syria, North Korea, China etc. etc. The invasion of Afghanistan I fully supported and still do. And I fully support the "Kill/Capture" offensive.

[RevBillyRayCollins]

@Faxe90Swe English, did you learn it as a second language? I never learned a second language, of course the same thing can be said for most Americans, I have also never been on a plane, train, or on the open ocean. I have never left the country either. And I take pride in that, how about you? Have you shared my lack of 'experiences'?

[Faxe90Swe]

@RevBillyRayCollins

Yeah, I learned it as a second language. I had German for two years as well, but it didn't stick. I've been on a plane, and on a train, and on the open sea if the North Sea and Mediterranean counts as "open". I've been around most of Europe, but Tunisia is the only country outside Europe that I've been to. I want to see North America too, and hopefully we'll go there next year. I want to go up and down the east coast, but dad and mom wants to drive Route 66.

[RevBillyRayCollins]

@Faxe90Swe later but by then she had already died. She went where she wasnt supposed to be and she went alone, her name was Jody I didnt know her that well, other than I would wave at her when I saw her usually walking her dogs down the street, but it was terrible. Its hard getting use to seeing someone all the time and then they arent there anymore. Only the good die young...

[Faxe90Swe]

@RevBillyRayCollins

It was Southerners that bashed the phrasing of the "Confederate Month"?

[Faxe90Swe]

@RevBillyRayCollins

Very short motivations -

Nixon, Bush and Johnson were more or less criminals, breaking American law as well as international treaties. Grant and Jackson were both driving forces in the Indian wars (although the government has seldomly been directly responsible for the indian's fate, since it was aggressive or ignorant settlers that forced the government's hand)



[RevBillyRayCollins]

@Faxe90Swe I always felt sorry for LBJ, he was put in a tough spot, Jackson yes was horrible, and Nixon to me wasnt that bad, he did the most of any Pres. to give rights to Native Americans, and ended the Vietnam war which could have been won if there was better strategy. I like Teddy Roos. because he was a strong advocate for preserving nature, brought about direct election of senators, and busted monopolies. Jefferson was an advocate for more state power, and Monroe had the Monroe doctrine

[Faxe90Swe]

@RevBillyRayCollins

I'm surprised that you like Monroe for the Monroe doctrine, since it helped justify imperialism - I thought the parochial spirit of CSA supporters abhorred such things. After all, was it not a kind of imperialism that the Union exerted on the South? And the Watergate scandal under Nixon is comparaeable to the Sedition Acts under Adams, Nixon just didn't care to make his actions legal before he carried them out.

[RevBillyRayCollins]

@Faxe90Swe helped keep the Euro nations out of the Americas and yes we did take a step in but no where near as bad as the Euro nations did in Africa. Now did it help us, no not really, a friend of mine is from Venuzuela he lives in my neighborhood and is a spanish teacher at the highschool but he says he loves America and hates Chavez and his little commie govt. Yeah watergate was a problem cant argue that but there were far worse presidents in my opinion. Though there wasnt any WMDs in Iraq

[Faxe90Swe]

@RevBillyRayCollins

Health care is a natural right, as natural as the right to vote. Today many can't get healt insurancy because people running the show has taken away their jobs by being careless with the economy. Sometimes, many times in the American case, unableness to get a healh insurancy rests on the fact that people can't afford it - not out of lazyness, but because of the matter of things that are out of their control.

[RevBillyRayCollins]

@Faxe90Swe got backlash from many people, not me since I thought it was great, but he repealed it and now its called Civil War history month, anyway its funny though because people were making fun of him like Jay Leno at the correspondence dinner said "VA's Gov is here tonight, and when he heard the Pres. was going to show up he went, what? Jeff Davis is coming?" I laughed, but it shows that the south still has strong feelings towards the war 150 years later. Off topic, you have preety good

[Faxe90Swe]

@RevBillyRayCollins leave it to the states, the states has proven to be brighter than the Federal government in many ways, gun restrictions for example. It would still be the wild west in America if gun laws were as liberal as the Constitution grants. Just as the liberalty of the gun laws were recognized as obsolete, so too should the lack of health care be recognized as obsolete. After all, the constitution was written in the 18th century, when gov. health care wasn't even an idea.

[RevBillyRayCollins]

@Faxe90Swe in the same area, its nice. I would say it was more of the African American community and local Democrats raving about it being racist and we shouldnt like the actions the south took. The controling party in the state is Republican, who I voted for, and many southern Republicans appreciate the CSA since its our history. But man it was hell the last 4 hours, a 14 yr old girl in my heighborhood died when her ATV, 4 wheeler, crashed deep in the woods, no one found her until two hours

[Faxe90Swe]

@RevBillyRayCollins

I've been meaning to ask for some time now, but haven't found the appropriate timing, so I'll just ask: how old are you? I'm 20 (21 in a matter of days).

[RevBillyRayCollins]

@Faxe90Swe Im actually 42; August 5, 1968. And Im looking great, no bald spot, my hair line hasnt receded yet, and my hair is all still black. I make my kids thank me for our good genetics, haha. Anyway, I dont know what to talk about anymore, I could discuss things that happened in my life but I dont think you would be interested in hearing things like that. A week ago we didnt really like each other, now were friends, and from different countries, kind of neat.

[Faxe90Swe]

@RevBillyRayCollins

I find that very neat indeed. Especially if we consider that we've hardly agreed on anything this past week.

[RevBillyRayCollins]

@Faxe90Swe Thats for damn sure, but we have had a civil disucssion the whole time! Not many people can say that from numerous opposing view points.

[Faxe90Swe]

@RevBillyRayCollins

Adams avoided war but had the guts to keep order on the home front. Roosevelt saved Europe (although Europe is today what it would have been with Nazi rule anyway) and was about to enact domestic social improvements right before his death (some would call it socialist acts, but i wouldn't). Lincoln made a nation out of America and ended slavery. Eizenhower got America through the worst of the Cold War and was a remarkable leader both as a military and a president.

[Faxe90Swe]

@RevBillyRayCollins I guess you've heard Cash's song "Solitary Man"? Solitary can mean you're a lonewolf. I'm very much like that.

[Faxe90Swe]

@RevBillyRayCollins

Ultimately, the big difference is that the CSA didn't include blacks in their model of liberty and freedom, the Union did. And far from what Jefferson and other Southern founders had planned for, the South at mid-19th century actively promoted the expansion of slavery, not letting it die away "naturally" as intended by the founders. So, to give a straight answer, I'm pro-Union. However, I prefer the neutral stance, but slavery just can't be ignored for my part.

[RevBillyRayCollins]

@Faxe90Swe someone who knows what their talking about but can also soak up what the opposition says and then kill them with kindness, or at least thats what I get from it. Anyway, I agree completely it was a speedy end to the war, maybe not one I like but still. And while Im in good terms with you, tell me if you dont mind what kind of history do you enjoy learning about, just the civil war or what? Im always interested in what people like about history and why they like it.

[Faxe90Swe]

@RevBillyRayCollins

There is four main categories of history I especially enjoy: military history, American history, idea history and foreign relations history. While my interest of military and foreign relations history span the whole West at all ages, but mostly the 18th century, my interest for idea history is strictly focused on Anglo-American and French ideas of liberty and republicanism, as well as the implementation of these ideas by some other countries.

[RevBillyRayCollins]

@Faxe90Swe I mainly like American history, usually involving things of military conflict. I respect the people who died for something they believed in. My favorite subjects are The War for Texas Independence, the founding at Jamestowne, the tragic Indian Wars, The American Civil War, and other subjects like Imperialism in Africa and the revolutions in South America by men like Simon Bolivar. And generals from WW2 like Patton, Macarthur, Rommel, Kuribayashi, all very interesting men.

[Faxe90Swe]

@RevBillyRayCollins

What does park ranger really mean? Do you guide tourists and the like?

[RevBillyRayCollins]

@Faxe90Swe civil war? Do you support the USA or the CSA? Do you believe the southern states had the right to seceed?

[Faxe90Swe]

@RevBillyRayCollins

That's an extremely sensitive subject, lol, the civil war I mean. I once got know another pro-Confederate here on youtube, first we started off in a very friendly and polite manner, but that humour didn't last long once we started talking civil war politics.

At first, say, 3 years ago, I was pro-Confederate. All my knowledge of the conflict at that point was restricted to movies and fiction, such as Gods and Generals.

[Faxe90Swe]

@RevBillyRayCollins

And about the right to seceed, I am really in no position to give opinion. As far as i know the Consitution doesn't clearly say that you can seceed as soon as democracy isn't going your way. Only in times of outright oppression and tyranny can the people have a right to seceed or take up arms. But if we look at the decade before the civil war, most institutions, especially the Supreme Court, was dominated by Souterners, who were nationally in a minority.

[RevBillyRayCollins]

@Faxe90Swe right if you ask me. But the main reason I support the CSA is the same as Lee. We could not draw a sword on our home of Virginia. Im not too sure how the govt in Sweden works but people over here have a strong commitment to their states, especiallly me. I love Virginia too much to go to war against her. Fun Fact I recently learned, Ive had family fight against the USA or what would be the USA in at least 4 diff. wars. I find that really neat. Anyway, ask away any questions....

[Faxe90Swe]

@RevBillyRayCollins

A fun fact I've recently learned too: I had two plausible ancestors fight in the civil war, one on each side. Immigrants made up almost 50% of the Union forces, including the navy.

And as for violating the Constitution, the CSA violated their own new constitution several times as well. But that's the way it is in war. "War is power without constraint", as Sherman put it. Martial law always go against civil laws, and that's the way it has to be.

[Faxe90Swe]

@RevBillyRayCollins

The Virginian Jefferson wished to civilize the Indians, that is, destroying the Indian cultures. It was a peaceful intention intended to promote peace, but still. And the Virginian Washington's administration fought one Indian war and put down two white rebellions.

My point is, that since you love Virginia, I assume you see a great contrast between Virginia and the United States, but the most prominent Virginians were advocates of some of these oppressive measures.

[Faxe90Swe]

@RevBillyRayCollins

I'm a bit ambivalent when it comes to Lincoln and his making America a nation. Sure, in the long run America being a nation was very good, otherwise America might have been a collection of satellite states to Japan, Nazi Germany and/or the Soviet Union. But then again I'm all for state's rights, but the states enjoy considerable rights today even if America is considered a nation. Hm... after all, I put Eizenhower as the third best, because of his continuing of the...

[Faxe90Swe]

@RevBillyRayCollins

And I wouldn't say kindness, it's more like restraint and reason, civility, politeness.

[MrCandyman1900]

@cody92697 just stop talking... Did the CSA kill 6 million jews??? NO, they did NOT. The Nazi SS were far more ruthless. And unlike the SS, CSA offered freedom to slaves who wanted to fight for it. Did the SS offer freedom to the Jews??? NO, they did NOT... so just stop talking... you sound really dumb.

[cody92697]

God, when ever i here this song i think it would be played at my Dad's funeral just because he is in the Army.

[markmason1000]

I respect Jackson but I can't say I agree with his political beliefs. remember there are always 2 sides of war history isn't a one way street glorifying one side or the other is foolish

[haibane13]

"It is well that war is so terrible , for we shall grow to fond of it " - Robert E. Lee

[skulltotenkopf]

A great soundtrack to a great movie. A great movie to a great Country. Respect.

I think actual America must returns to the original track: great dreams and facts. Not the idiotism of politcally correct: it is killing America. Congratulations.

[cherengeois]

cette chanson est superbe, tout comme le film!

thanks Gawaine687 ;)

[JC640]

"It is well that war is so terrible. For we should grow too fond of it." ~Robert E. Lee

[demeandr121]

"Hail Ceaser. We who are about to die salute you."

[Faxe90Swe]

For some reason, probably because the sound of it is so sad, this music makes me think of the suicide charge of the British light cavalry brígade at Balaclava, during the Crimean war.

[assassinofdoom12345]

I like it until 2:26

[BIGMASTERBIG1]

Thank you for that amaizing soundtrack

I have never seen this movie but the music is wonderful and gigantic

[sgtSoupy]

Most underrated film I ever seen, despite its flaw I still really enjoyed this movie

[BonnieBlueFlag1314]

Press on! Press on!

[smithsharks]

After 2:26 it gives me the shivers

[Nhoj9020]

@smithsharks

The whole thing gives me shivers...

[dstipek]

I always loved this tune, this movie is underrated and needs more listeners!

[TsukiHana146]

@dstipek

Yeah! I haven't even heard of this movie until now! I really need to see it, maybe my dads seen it...umm...he likes this sort of stuff, so I'll have to ask him! But either way I'm going to see it!

Amazing soundtrack though!

[demeandr121]

@TsukiHana146 yeah. Well, let me give u a heads up on the movie. VERY SAD. Although i enjoyed Fredericskburg and Chanslorville.

[Bigmoonproductions]

Amazing soundtrack.