@MrNicMachiavelli Someone who truly belongs to God cannot - it's impossible. No man would do it and God wouldn't allow it. A man does not save himself, he is saved by God, who maintains that relationship. People think they have free will, but they don't really. Those who are God's were God's from eternity! They always were and they always will be. There are many 'Christians' who are one day soon going to have a rude awakening.
@jbooks888 lol okay then. You seem so sure of yourself. You're wrong, on so many points, but hey, I can't unwork years of damage that have poisoned your thoughts as a result of religious fanaticism.
@jbooks888 "Someone who truly belongs to God cannot"
WRONG - and I can prove it, scientifically. Please consult our Mental Institute. Let me operate on your diseased brain, which is suffering from J(the)Christ-Psychosis, and extract the IMPLANTED ALIENS from your Temporal Lobes. Afterwards, you will perceive REALITY soberly, and you will perceive and akknowledge the TRUE Creator P(the)C
@jbooks888 who are you to judge who's truly christian and who's not.. smh. you're not a christian yourself. and you don't know anyone's heart. pay attention to your own beliefs.
@jbooks888 FYI - That is always what most evangelical Christians say to other former Christians who has stopped believing and or following the "faith." I as a former Christian (and at one point a five point reformed Calvinistic Christian) said the same thing as you to many other people as well. I am now an agnostic atheist, and am free from dogma! Interpret this passage any way you want to, but here it goes (Hebrews 6:4-8) Your own bible flies in the face of what you claim about djarm67.
@gokuhawks14 Flies in the face? There is a word 'IF' in Paul's statement, which brings it right back down to reality. Now piss of, you aren't worth the time of day, you festering pustule.
I had compulsory religion all my school years, and was an atheist already at the age of about 14 mainly due to incredulity, I only heard about the BB and evolution about 30 years later.
It's nice to see the only two theist biologists on Youtube, Djarm and DonExodus, have both come to their senses. Although, I kind of always had the idea they were both just trying to convince themselves they still believed. It's great when a person is able to stop ltying to themsleves even though it might be hard. I actually read one of Dan Barker's books that was about preists who no longer believe but keep pretending because they're stuck in that life.
"He who had no sin became sin for us so we might become the righteousness of God." 11Corin 5:21
I hope, truly from my heart, you one day stop believing the endless theories/ideas for life, death, etc & truly find Jesus Christ & his fulfilling love! If not, your greatest reprimand towards Christianity, "responsibility", will be God's reason to cast you into hell. Repent! John3:16
Welcome to a world of reason, sense, science, and intellectual freedom. May I ask, was there a specific piece of your research that brought you to the understanding that the earth was clearly much older than the theo 6-10,000 years?
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I hope you don't end up as empty, suicidal, confused, alone, selfish, anxious, fearful, hateful, enraged, immoral, used, manipulated, depressed, deceived, and I could go all night, as I was without Jesus Christ until He saved me from a corrupted religion into a reconciled relationship with the 100% absolute, inevitable, and worst for people who pridefully deny, inescapable God of the Universe, Hell and all creation!
@jqologist No everything is awesome since I became an atheist. It great to not be around all of the empty, suicidal, confused, alone, selfish, anxious, fearful, hateful, enraged, immoral, used, manipulated, depressed and deceived people in church.
@jqologist WOW you were in bad shape. When I was a Jesus believer I was very unhappy and unfulfilled as a person. Now as a non-believer my life is full. Truth is a wonderful thing to live life with. Truth may not be what you want to hear or believe but it is much easier to cope without myths as your guide. Too bad you cannot deal with it. But whatever works for you is what you must do I assume. I hate to hear of anyone that is empty, suicidal, confused, alone, selfish, anxious, fearful......
@jqologist You're hilarious. Your comment was a swing and a miss though. Better luck next time. Hopefully you discover the truth of reason before your death. You've only got one life. It's your choice whether to accept this fact or not. Whatever you choose, it still doesn't change this fact. Think about it.
ALTHOUGH I'M A CONSERVATIVE CHRISTIAN (Baptist), I no longer believe that the Bible teaches eternal torment or suffering. The Bible teaches eternal punishment, but it's not eternal torment. In my popular Internet article, TRADITIONAL DOCTRINE OF HELL EVOLVED FROM GREEK ROOTS, I explain how and why teaching of eternal torment entered early into Christianity and how Scriptures have been misinterpreted and taken out of context to support that teaching. ~Babu G. Ranganathan (B.A. theology/biology)
GOD, HEAVEN, AND SEX: Internet article examines the Biblical possibility of sex in heaven. Human sexuality isn't just for reproduction. There are reasons the Bible requires marriage for sex on earth, but those reasons won't exist in heaven. Scripture teaches, in heaven, we'll be like the angels only in one sense - no marriage, but we won't be like angels in every other way (i.e. Bible says we'll enjoy food and drink). Psalm 16:11 says there will be great spiritual joy and pleasures in heaven.
SCIENCE SHOWS THAT THE UNIVERSE could not have sustained itself eternally because of entropy. Einstein confirmed that space, matter, and time had a beginning! That beginning had to be supernatural because natural laws have no ability to bring the universe into existence from nothing. The supernatural cannot be proved by science but science points to a supernatural intelligence for the origin and order of the universe ~ HOW FORENSIC SCIENCE REFUTES ATHEISM (Article)
NATURAL LIMITS TO EVOLUTION: Only evolution within "kinds" is genetically possible (i.e. varieties of dogs, cats, etc.), but not evolution across "kinds" (i.e. from worm to human). How were species living, reproducing if their reproductive system, vital structures, and organs hadn't evolved yet? Read my Pravda Internet article: WAR AMONG EVOLUTIONISTS! I discuss: Punctuated Equilibrium, "Junk DNA," genetics, mutations, natural selection, fossils, genetic/biological similarities between species.
Interesting. I also grew up without religion, became Christian as an adult, and then got over it. I just spent a lot less time in the faith than you, and (fortunately) didn't have Christian family to complicate my deconversion.
THE BIBLE IS MAN MADE..IT WAS COMPILED NOT DURING THE TIME OF JESUS BUT HUNDREDS AND HUNDREDS AND HUNDREDS OF YEARS AFTER JESUS...THE FIRST WRITINGS ARE FROM PAUL..PAUL NEVER MET JESUS..PAUL USED TO KILL THOUSANDS OF CHRISTIANS..PAUL WAS KNOWN AS SAUL OF TARSUS AT THE TIME..PAUL INTRODUCED NEW TEACHINGS THAT MADE MANY CHURCHS FURIOUS..MANY DID NOT TRUST PAUL...PAUL WAS THE FIRST TO INTRODUCE THAT JESUS WAS GODS SON..THE BIBLE IS CORRUPT THERE ARE EVEN THOUSANDS OF CONTRADICTIONS IN THE BIBLE
I'm leaning towards some of your views of the existence of God. Right now I believe the earth we live is our God simply-the earth has all the perfect conditions for a human development. As it takes + N - to produce any form of life. No matter what the theologians say, (God: a supreme name is the very space we fill-EARTH) Yes we need to establish a believe in order to live comfortably: to raise our future generations(which is not truly happening. But at least 60%) better then animals & plants.
These are not my words these are the words from the very same Bible you once believed in and read: Psalm 14:1-"The fool hath said in his heart there is no God" if the Bible is not true and accurate then why does this verse people who would one day call themselves atheists on the basis of this description.
@timwhite2005 I'm saying if the Bible is not true as claimed by atheists then why does the Bible specifically talk about people who would claim what verse Psalm 14:1 says?
@wrightdevin39 It's just common sense that if you want people blindly following nonsense, you will know that some will be smart enough to not buy into the dogmatic claims about the existence of an invisible, magical being.
There have always been the smartest and the least gullible. Why is it a surprise that they would write into their cult literature that these intelligent people were not intelligent?
To successfully con the dim-witted, you have to convince them not to listen to smart people.
@wrightdevin39 "I'm saying if the Bible is not true as claimed by atheists then why does the Bible specifically talk about people who would claim what verse Psalm 14:1 says?"
Simply because the people of the time where already being mocked daily for their silly beliefs.
It's a defense method, naive and worthless though.
There is something weird at all, where do you go after you die. Also, what is the judgement for people who, for example, killing innocents. Or are they going to have another life? or did the world smiles forever? with nukes everywhere I bet the world will be demolished in just another decade or centuries.
@zeppelin8677 No. I dont "believe" in science. Belief implies faith. Accepting scientific explanations as viable hypotheses based on the available evidence requires no faith. If new evidence is presented which falsifies a hypothesis, a new one has to be formed which accounts for all of the evidence.
But,ALL views on the age of the earth depend on a LOT of assumptions.
E) See this video for concrete evidence that much ID and creation science is peer reviewed and also intentionally lied about by many atheists and evolution.
watch?v=SgGTsSwje4Y
and there's a humorous expose of the fallacies of the arguments against ID here:
watch?v=pBLgW3jJC_0
Also, google creationscience Dr. Walt Brown for one of the best online books defending Creation Science and see also nwcreationDOTnet.
@djarm67 See my playlists, esp. #1) Why Be a Christian&others like Come Search with Me&the health one (Bible science adds 10+ years to life),history&prophecy ones as well 3 creation science playlists, esp. the Genesis Conflict by a former atheist with a ph.d. in zoology.
D) There are ~101+ reasons for a young earth. One is soft tissue found in dinosaurs found in fossils, something leading evolutionists say is impossible to last for millions of years (see my playlist on dinosaurs¬es).
@djarm67 You seem sincere, but a couple comments:
A) I'm quite conservative,but some fundamentalist views bother me tremendously, esp. demonic doctrines like eternal hell (see my playlist on hell for the Bible's real teaching on that).
B) Because politics banned evidence for religion from schools for PURELY political reasons, you can't learn it there..and since most pastors aren't scientists, you can't science evidence in church.
C) There is VAST evidence for Christianity from many fields.
@TruthIsLife7 "There is VAST evidence for Christianity from many fields" - I totally agree. Christianity definitely exists... it's a shame that god doesn't though. There is zero evidence for the existence of god.
A) Hubris - who are you to decide who's interpretation is correct?
B) If religions had evidence, they wouldn't be able to have faith and so wouldn't be religions.
C) So much so that you provided no examples. A muslim the other day on here at least tried. He gave me a link to a website saying the Earth would fall apart if it weren't for mountains and that gravity doesn't exist.
@djarm67 Can I apologize on behalf of the ignorant consience I had at the time. I. like you, have left Christianity completely. I am also now an atheist.
@zeppelin8677 atheist translates to non-theist, meaning does not believe in deities. That's all it means. This could mean a number of things. It could mean, rejection of belief in deities, or it can mean absense of belief in deities etc. Only colloquially amoungst fundamentalist religious peoples does the term take on a life of it's own.
@zeppelin8677 "an atheist believes in nothing at all" - Please stop spreading ignorance and lies. An atheist merely doesn't believe in a god... they believe in lots of other things. You know this to be true but you are obviously another lying theist.
@zeppelin8677 What the hell? An atheist believes that there is no god; they can still arrive at this conclusion through positive beliefs. PZ Myers has a post on his blog entitled "Why are you an atheist?" if you're interested in what these positive beliefs may be.
I think the best way to prove that something is not true is to find something else that you can prove is true, but is mutually exclusive with the other.
This is why theists will almost never give a very exact definition of the gods they believe in, or will change the definition at the drop of a hat. So you can't prove anything that is mutually exclusive.
Or they will give you something foolish, like "god is everything".
@TJGuitarVids This shifting of definitions is why I've moved to ignosticism -- the position that the question 'does god exist' cannot yet be answered as 'god' has yet to be coherently defined.
@zeppelin8677 An atheist doesn't believe in theism, an atheist doesn't believe in gods. That's it. Nothing else follows. It is not a belief system, it is a lack of certain beliefs. What beliefs any atheists hold are separate from their atheism. While many atheists "believe in" science others don't.
not nothing. Most Atheists, as a result, accept science. That is all an atheist means - disbelief in god. Give it an extended meaning and it no longer means an atheist.
A naturalist is somebody who studies natural science and history such as biology or zoology. Naturalists can be both religious or atheist or agnostic. See Richard Dawkins, he is a naturalist, evolutionist, and darwinist. But he does not believe in god
@timwhite2005 I'm ok with you saying that, well now of course. I'm an Atheist now (well really Agnostic). The only reason I wrote that comment was because I was very insecure. I wanted to keep my beliefs in God, by puting down Atheist/Evolutinist people.
When it comes to the worst of religion, your analogy of the pint of beer that must be completely believed to be an elephant reminds me of Room 101 in George Orwell's 1984.
The protagonist/victim is shown 4 fingers by the interrogator under psychological torture. - he is asked "how many fingers?"
"4"
"No. There are 5 fingers!!"
He is asked the same question again and says "5" just to get the torture to stop.
EVEN if you were to return to christianity in the future, or join any other religion for that matter, I for one applaud your decision to step back and take a look at your own belief system and decide to take a break from it, be it for some perspective, to get away from pesky, bothersome (former) church members, or simply to take a break from it and live a little, it's always good to have the will and desire to change and then successfully do it for one's betterment.
So, your beliefs as a "christian" and/or as an "atheist" are based on nothing? You had no clue why you believed what you did and now you have no clue why you believe what you believe now? Why not dig, (not shallow, I'll find something that fits what I want to believe) really dig, for some truth and let the chips fall where they may?
This is a great vid. I often get questions like, 'so you don't want to see your dad again in heaven?' It's not a choice, you believe something or you don't and I don't and haven't believed since I was a child. I remember praying my footie team would win the grand final when I was 7 but stopping because I thought it was pointless.
I wasn't a conscious atheist then, I just didn't believe.
If anyone knows Ellis Dean Hovey personally and know where he lives or his phone number, please contact law enforcement and let them know IMMEDIATELY! He has left a suicide note on Facebook. His nickname/username for many years has been and still is PeskyAtheist
As I've gone to some lengths so explain on my channel, having a 'hope' for some form of continued existence after death - 'some' form - is reasonable. However, organised religion and actions based on 'faith' have always been unacceptable.
If you grew up in a fundamentalist environment and have managed to physically and intellectually escape it, you deserve much praise. We'll all be interested to watch your "Conversion-Deconversion" videos. Let's see if they're as good as Evid3nc3's :).
@kimflie atheist is just a word to describe people who lack a certain belief, it doesn't mean you actively crusade against religion or anything. Negative atheism is the default position, if you're a baby or an animal, that's what you would be.
@kyebean Yes true! But I'm also trying to make a point! Religious people usually think that its they who are standing on flat ground, and that atheists are the ones who have moved on from there and does not "accept" the god. But I've been thinking about religion for a couple of days now, and I guess the reason they hold their beliefs so strongly must be either fear of death or the fear of being nothing bigger or a part of something bigger than themselves. Even though they are arguing elsewise..
@kimflie yes, you have to be pretty dense to promote religion scientifically. that said, it doesn't hurt to meet them on that plane. It's like letting a child play with matches a bit until he gets burned and goes back to his toys
To be perfectly honest... I never knew one way or the other when it came to the videos of I've watched from you. The main reason for that was because you simply stood against the forceful ignorance of anti-science nits.
With that said, cheers. World view shifts like that are some of the most interesting things to ever experience. I remember becoming an atheist myself and man... what a roller-coaster of emotions!
I would just like to chime in and say that I would be very interested in seeing a conversion-deconversion story. I have had many former-atheists-turned-Christians come to my channel. These people tend to reject atheism on questionable philosophical grounds yet also tend to exercise more rationality than the average Christian on my channel. I always suspected that at least some of these rationally-focused people would return to atheism and it would be fascinating to hear how in detail.
@Evid3nc3 I have a hard time believing these christians were truly atheist. If there are some who are actually telling the truth, I would assert they never took a valid and critical look at the bible, and still have not.
I'm not claiming to know you at all, but from what I've seen of your videos and interests, I can't say I'm surprised that you finally abandoned Christianity. You are far too rational and you have too much curiosity about the natural world to "believe" anything for too long.
i'm not sure what is really in that glass but wanted to let you know you never met God and that is why you still don't believe..i think you will when you least expect it..
Don't patronize someone for being honest and for being outspoken about such a sudden change. The man in the video is very civil and responses like this are unwarranted.
That is very courageous of you. I became an atheist about a year ago and it's a very liberating feeling. However, most of my friends abandoned me. Jesus only loves Christians apparently. Even still, I'm happier now.
I hope you didn't leave Christianity because all the atheists on youtube pick on you or bug you to become one. You should be whatever the evidence tells you to be...
Uh no. The journey is not dictated by atheist peer pressure. There's a far more weird dynamic on the christian side that keeps them sheltered from rationalizing any criticism towards their belief. It's not until they start being honest with themselves that they give themselves a chance to look at things in a different angle. Some of these guys are even clever apologists, but fail to use that same tenacity to deconstruct their own rationalization. It's up to them to work it out
I hope you didn't leave Christianity because all the atheist on youtube pick on you or bug you to become one. You should be whatever the evidence tells you to be...
@brokenthonqsz: No, not really. Aside from the fact that I am a Minister, I also minister through my Magic.
Are you trying to say that sleight of hand and illusion are evil? If so, you should know that by the measure you judge others, you yourself WILL be Judged.
@JustOneMoreChild: If you are going to accuse my of being unkind then you at least should be specific. As it is, I just don't have a CLUE what your malfunction is.
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Sanity test - Answer YES or NO.
1) Do you believe that god sent a flood & killed all the people?
2) Do you believe that same god is merciful?
3) Do you approve of (1)
From the answers it will be apparent whether one is normal, a plain idiot or a dangerous maniacal idiot.
nayanmalig 42 minutes ago
lol silly religious people ...
whiteraider 3 hours ago
i use the term theist as an insult.. its worse than being retarded, because mental illness isn't your own fault
dopeasfuckk 7 hours ago
Good for you. No truelly honest sincere moral person can remain religious.
jrev37 7 hours ago
"Welcome to atheism, my friend! I'm a retired Christian and a Black atheist! I wish you the best of luck with your new life!"
MrWINNSLAW 17 hours ago
FYI - you were never a Christian.
jbooks888 1 day ago
@jbooks888 Incorrect.
djarm67 21 hours ago 3
@djarm67 You wouldn't know.
jbooks888 15 hours ago
@jbooks888 You wouldn't know. You're not a "real" Christian.
djarm67 13 hours ago 10
@djarm67 Hey - get your own retorts - I said it first.
jbooks888 5 hours ago
@jbooks888 Your response is typical of someone who thinks they are a Christian but is not a real Christian.
djarm67 4 hours ago
@djarm67 This is getting redundant.
jbooks888 4 hours ago
@jbooks888 Like your religion
djarm67 4 hours ago
@jbooks888 and you would?
r6turbo12 13 hours ago
@jbooks888 No true Scotsman fallacy.... Look it up.
FSUjonnyD 13 hours ago
@FSUjonnyD You want me to look up a scotsman's kilt? Degenerate.
jbooks888 5 hours ago
@FSUjonnyD Fiddle faddle - there are true Christians and phoney ones. Look it up.
jbooks888 5 hours ago
@jbooks888 why was he never a Christian?
MrNicMachiavelli 12 hours ago
@MrNicMachiavelli Someone who truly belongs to God cannot - it's impossible. No man would do it and God wouldn't allow it. A man does not save himself, he is saved by God, who maintains that relationship. People think they have free will, but they don't really. Those who are God's were God's from eternity! They always were and they always will be. There are many 'Christians' who are one day soon going to have a rude awakening.
jbooks888 10 hours ago
@jbooks888 lol okay then. You seem so sure of yourself. You're wrong, on so many points, but hey, I can't unwork years of damage that have poisoned your thoughts as a result of religious fanaticism.
MrNicMachiavelli 9 hours ago
@MrNicMachiavelli Well, I appreciate your input, now run along.
jbooks888 7 hours ago
@jbooks888 you are an immoral Christian hypocrite and if there is a hell you are going to burn there forever and ever.
MrNicMachiavelli 5 hours ago
@MrNicMachiavelli Ha ha ha - it's nice to get a reaction like that! Obviously I hit a nerve... again - HA HA HA HA HA.
jbooks888 5 hours ago
@jbooks888 not really, if you saw my other comments I enjoy flaming back and forth. Now go burn.
MrNicMachiavelli 1 hour ago
@jbooks888 "Someone who truly belongs to God cannot"
WRONG - and I can prove it, scientifically. Please consult our Mental Institute. Let me operate on your diseased brain, which is suffering from J(the)Christ-Psychosis, and extract the IMPLANTED ALIENS from your Temporal Lobes. Afterwards, you will perceive REALITY soberly, and you will perceive and akknowledge the TRUE Creator P(the)C
kleenex3000 2 hours ago
@jbooks888 Then the rest of us is just hell bait, that's it ?
Acrimonator 15 minutes ago
@jbooks888 who are you to judge who's truly christian and who's not.. smh. you're not a christian yourself. and you don't know anyone's heart. pay attention to your own beliefs.
7digitss 10 hours ago
@7digitss 1Corinthians 2:15
The spiritual man makes judgments about all things, but he himself is not subject to any man's judgment:
jbooks888 10 hours ago
@jbooks888 Oh, and by the way, kiss my arse.
jbooks888 10 hours ago
@jbooks888 Jesus would approve of you saying kissing my arse?
MrNicMachiavelli 9 hours ago
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jbooks888 7 hours ago
@jbooks888 Did you just tell yourself to kiss your own arse?
scottclements78 3 hours ago
@jbooks888 GOt any idea of how pompuos you sound ?
Acrimonator 14 minutes ago
@jbooks888 your not a "real" christian. your not a "true" christian either. you'll have to prove both.
nayanmalig 9 hours ago
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jbooks888 7 hours ago
@jbooks888 Christians are famous for those phrases & also cursing others. But it proves nothing.
nayanmalig 7 hours ago
@jbooks888 FYI - That is always what most evangelical Christians say to other former Christians who has stopped believing and or following the "faith." I as a former Christian (and at one point a five point reformed Calvinistic Christian) said the same thing as you to many other people as well. I am now an agnostic atheist, and am free from dogma! Interpret this passage any way you want to, but here it goes (Hebrews 6:4-8) Your own bible flies in the face of what you claim about djarm67.
gokuhawks14 9 hours ago
@gokuhawks14 The fact that you accepted Calvinism tells me that you have no idea of wht true Christianity is. Calvin was a murderous heathen.
jbooks888 7 hours ago
@gokuhawks14 Flies in the face? There is a word 'IF' in Paul's statement, which brings it right back down to reality. Now piss of, you aren't worth the time of day, you festering pustule.
jbooks888 7 hours ago
888 upvotes atm, stop at 999 ... with the subject of the vid this should spark some entertaining fundie comments.
666 is already overshot, last chance to get a good laugh ;-)
GapWim 3 days ago
Wellcome to rationality.
I had compulsory religion all my school years, and was an atheist already at the age of about 14 mainly due to incredulity, I only heard about the BB and evolution about 30 years later.
saintpine 2 months ago
It's nice to see the only two theist biologists on Youtube, Djarm and DonExodus, have both come to their senses. Although, I kind of always had the idea they were both just trying to convince themselves they still believed. It's great when a person is able to stop ltying to themsleves even though it might be hard. I actually read one of Dan Barker's books that was about preists who no longer believe but keep pretending because they're stuck in that life.
jimbrown257 2 months ago
"He who had no sin became sin for us so we might become the righteousness of God." 11Corin 5:21
I hope, truly from my heart, you one day stop believing the endless theories/ideas for life, death, etc & truly find Jesus Christ & his fulfilling love! If not, your greatest reprimand towards Christianity, "responsibility", will be God's reason to cast you into hell. Repent! John3:16
jqologist 2 months ago
@jqologist - "Do not meddle in the affairs of wizards, for they are subtle and quick to anger." - Gildor
I can quote literature too. Your point is what? If it makes you feel good it is real?
Rocketryman 1 month ago
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Welcome to a world of reason, sense, science, and intellectual freedom. May I ask, was there a specific piece of your research that brought you to the understanding that the earth was clearly much older than the theo 6-10,000 years?
LionFoodFinder 2 months ago
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I hope you don't end up as empty, suicidal, confused, alone, selfish, anxious, fearful, hateful, enraged, immoral, used, manipulated, depressed, deceived, and I could go all night, as I was without Jesus Christ until He saved me from a corrupted religion into a reconciled relationship with the 100% absolute, inevitable, and worst for people who pridefully deny, inescapable God of the Universe, Hell and all creation!
jqologist 3 months ago
@jqologist No everything is awesome since I became an atheist. It great to not be around all of the empty, suicidal, confused, alone, selfish, anxious, fearful, hateful, enraged, immoral, used, manipulated, depressed and deceived people in church.
djarm67 3 months ago 26
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@jqologist lol Quit lying to yourself jq
ABitOfTheUniverse 3 months ago
@jqologist WOW you were in bad shape. When I was a Jesus believer I was very unhappy and unfulfilled as a person. Now as a non-believer my life is full. Truth is a wonderful thing to live life with. Truth may not be what you want to hear or believe but it is much easier to cope without myths as your guide. Too bad you cannot deal with it. But whatever works for you is what you must do I assume. I hate to hear of anyone that is empty, suicidal, confused, alone, selfish, anxious, fearful......
psychicpriest 2 months ago
@jqologist You're hilarious. Your comment was a swing and a miss though. Better luck next time. Hopefully you discover the truth of reason before your death. You've only got one life. It's your choice whether to accept this fact or not. Whatever you choose, it still doesn't change this fact. Think about it.
Buck2120 2 months ago
WELCOME TO REALITY BROTHER!!! :o)
kastnmagic 3 months ago
nice work! cheers!
timwhite2005 4 months ago
ALTHOUGH I'M A CONSERVATIVE CHRISTIAN (Baptist), I no longer believe that the Bible teaches eternal torment or suffering. The Bible teaches eternal punishment, but it's not eternal torment. In my popular Internet article, TRADITIONAL DOCTRINE OF HELL EVOLVED FROM GREEK ROOTS, I explain how and why teaching of eternal torment entered early into Christianity and how Scriptures have been misinterpreted and taken out of context to support that teaching. ~Babu G. Ranganathan (B.A. theology/biology)
Mogley52 6 months ago
@Mogley52 FUCK YOU.
Drgamedood 6 months ago
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GOD, HEAVEN, AND SEX: Internet article examines the Biblical possibility of sex in heaven. Human sexuality isn't just for reproduction. There are reasons the Bible requires marriage for sex on earth, but those reasons won't exist in heaven. Scripture teaches, in heaven, we'll be like the angels only in one sense - no marriage, but we won't be like angels in every other way (i.e. Bible says we'll enjoy food and drink). Psalm 16:11 says there will be great spiritual joy and pleasures in heaven.
Mogley52 6 months ago
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SCIENCE SHOWS THAT THE UNIVERSE could not have sustained itself eternally because of entropy. Einstein confirmed that space, matter, and time had a beginning! That beginning had to be supernatural because natural laws have no ability to bring the universe into existence from nothing. The supernatural cannot be proved by science but science points to a supernatural intelligence for the origin and order of the universe ~ HOW FORENSIC SCIENCE REFUTES ATHEISM (Article)
Mogley52 6 months ago
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NATURAL LIMITS TO EVOLUTION: Only evolution within "kinds" is genetically possible (i.e. varieties of dogs, cats, etc.), but not evolution across "kinds" (i.e. from worm to human). How were species living, reproducing if their reproductive system, vital structures, and organs hadn't evolved yet? Read my Pravda Internet article: WAR AMONG EVOLUTIONISTS! I discuss: Punctuated Equilibrium, "Junk DNA," genetics, mutations, natural selection, fossils, genetic/biological similarities between species.
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Mogley52 6 months ago
Interesting. I also grew up without religion, became Christian as an adult, and then got over it. I just spent a lot less time in the faith than you, and (fortunately) didn't have Christian family to complicate my deconversion.
soundofgeek 8 months ago
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THE BIBLE IS MAN MADE..IT WAS COMPILED NOT DURING THE TIME OF JESUS BUT HUNDREDS AND HUNDREDS AND HUNDREDS OF YEARS AFTER JESUS...THE FIRST WRITINGS ARE FROM PAUL..PAUL NEVER MET JESUS..PAUL USED TO KILL THOUSANDS OF CHRISTIANS..PAUL WAS KNOWN AS SAUL OF TARSUS AT THE TIME..PAUL INTRODUCED NEW TEACHINGS THAT MADE MANY CHURCHS FURIOUS..MANY DID NOT TRUST PAUL...PAUL WAS THE FIRST TO INTRODUCE THAT JESUS WAS GODS SON..THE BIBLE IS CORRUPT THERE ARE EVEN THOUSANDS OF CONTRADICTIONS IN THE BIBLE
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Phenom69ll 8 months ago
@Phenom69ll You're spamming, and no one likes it. Fuck off.
jeffsandychelsea 8 months ago
I'm leaning towards some of your views of the existence of God. Right now I believe the earth we live is our God simply-the earth has all the perfect conditions for a human development. As it takes + N - to produce any form of life. No matter what the theologians say, (God: a supreme name is the very space we fill-EARTH) Yes we need to establish a believe in order to live comfortably: to raise our future generations(which is not truly happening. But at least 60%) better then animals & plants.
ccyha11 9 months ago
Keep it real :)
johnboy9596 10 months ago
Way to go ....you are on the right track........carry on .and ,like me dont worry about HELL lol
1marceltony 10 months ago
Brave! It requires a lot of guts to change from christianity to eg atheism.
Feldegast92 10 months ago
I am really glad to see you had the will enough to break free from the brainwashing of religion, if only every religious person could think freely!!
treesapa 11 months ago
These are not my words these are the words from the very same Bible you once believed in and read: Psalm 14:1-"The fool hath said in his heart there is no God" if the Bible is not true and accurate then why does this verse people who would one day call themselves atheists on the basis of this description.
wrightdevin39 1 year ago
@wrightdevin39 you need to re-write your post so that it makes sense.
timwhite2005 4 months ago
@timwhite2005 I'm saying if the Bible is not true as claimed by atheists then why does the Bible specifically talk about people who would claim what verse Psalm 14:1 says?
wrightdevin39 4 months ago
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@wrightdevin39 that is a great verse. "The fool hath said in his heart there is no God". Which 'god' do you think that verse is referring to?
timwhite2005 4 months ago
@wrightdevin39 It's just common sense that if you want people blindly following nonsense, you will know that some will be smart enough to not buy into the dogmatic claims about the existence of an invisible, magical being.
There have always been the smartest and the least gullible. Why is it a surprise that they would write into their cult literature that these intelligent people were not intelligent?
To successfully con the dim-witted, you have to convince them not to listen to smart people.
ndrthrdr1 4 months ago
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@wrightdevin39 "I'm saying if the Bible is not true as claimed by atheists then why does the Bible specifically talk about people who would claim what verse Psalm 14:1 says?"
Simply because the people of the time where already being mocked daily for their silly beliefs.
It's a defense method, naive and worthless though.
saintpine 2 months ago
Dammit now every time I look at an elephant I get thirsty, thanks for that.
anothergazman 1 year ago
Congratulations on picking the red pill over the blue pill. Welcome to reality, for all that is good and bad with it.
videoguy604 1 year ago 15
There is something weird at all, where do you go after you die. Also, what is the judgement for people who, for example, killing innocents. Or are they going to have another life? or did the world smiles forever? with nukes everywhere I bet the world will be demolished in just another decade or centuries.
2fzweb 1 year ago
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so if you believe in science wouldnt that make you a naturalist, an atheist believes in nothing at all.
zeppelin8677 1 year ago
@zeppelin8677 No. I dont "believe" in science. Belief implies faith. Accepting scientific explanations as viable hypotheses based on the available evidence requires no faith. If new evidence is presented which falsifies a hypothesis, a new one has to be formed which accounts for all of the evidence.
djarm67 1 year ago 30
@djarm67 sorry for the bad grammer
zeppelin8677 1 year ago
But,ALL views on the age of the earth depend on a LOT of assumptions.
E) See this video for concrete evidence that much ID and creation science is peer reviewed and also intentionally lied about by many atheists and evolution.
watch?v=SgGTsSwje4Y
and there's a humorous expose of the fallacies of the arguments against ID here:
watch?v=pBLgW3jJC_0
Also, google creationscience Dr. Walt Brown for one of the best online books defending Creation Science and see also nwcreationDOTnet.
TruthIsLife7 1 year ago
@djarm67 See my playlists, esp. #1) Why Be a Christian&others like Come Search with Me&the health one (Bible science adds 10+ years to life),history&prophecy ones as well 3 creation science playlists, esp. the Genesis Conflict by a former atheist with a ph.d. in zoology.
D) There are ~101+ reasons for a young earth. One is soft tissue found in dinosaurs found in fossils, something leading evolutionists say is impossible to last for millions of years (see my playlist on dinosaurs¬es).
TruthIsLife7 1 year ago
@djarm67 You seem sincere, but a couple comments:
A) I'm quite conservative,but some fundamentalist views bother me tremendously, esp. demonic doctrines like eternal hell (see my playlist on hell for the Bible's real teaching on that).
B) Because politics banned evidence for religion from schools for PURELY political reasons, you can't learn it there..and since most pastors aren't scientists, you can't science evidence in church.
C) There is VAST evidence for Christianity from many fields.
TruthIsLife7 1 year ago
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@TruthIsLife7 "There is VAST evidence for Christianity from many fields" - I totally agree. Christianity definitely exists... it's a shame that god doesn't though. There is zero evidence for the existence of god.
mikeyo1234 1 year ago
@TruthIsLife7
A) Hubris - who are you to decide who's interpretation is correct?
B) If religions had evidence, they wouldn't be able to have faith and so wouldn't be religions.
C) So much so that you provided no examples. A muslim the other day on here at least tried. He gave me a link to a website saying the Earth would fall apart if it weren't for mountains and that gravity doesn't exist.
I am interested in seeing what you can provide.
TJGuitarVids 1 year ago
@djarm67 Can I apologize on behalf of the ignorant consience I had at the time. I. like you, have left Christianity completely. I am also now an atheist.
zeppelin8677 3 months ago 6
@zeppelin8677 "Welcome to the world of the real" ~ Morphius
djarm67 3 months ago 3
@zeppelin8677 - Fantastic! For starters, just think of all the money you will save.
The church not having you to fund their multi-million dollar properties and fanatical lifestyles.
Sadly, there are so many people still out there, throwing their lives away. And, their bank accounts as well.
Rocketryman 1 month ago
@djarm67 - VERY well said!
Rocketryman 1 month ago
@djarm67 Since a hypothesis cannot be proven, does that not mean you are believing in it?
jbooks888 1 day ago
@jbooks888 No.
djarm67 21 hours ago
@zeppelin8677 atheist translates to non-theist, meaning does not believe in deities. That's all it means. This could mean a number of things. It could mean, rejection of belief in deities, or it can mean absense of belief in deities etc. Only colloquially amoungst fundamentalist religious peoples does the term take on a life of it's own.
Itseasyifyoutry 1 year ago
@zeppelin8677 "an atheist believes in nothing at all" - Please stop spreading ignorance and lies. An atheist merely doesn't believe in a god... they believe in lots of other things. You know this to be true but you are obviously another lying theist.
mikeyo1234 1 year ago
@mikeyo1234 look. i didnt mean that they completely nothing at all. and im no ignorant theist. im agnostic if anything.
zeppelin8677 1 year ago
@zeppelin8677 Well apologies to you then. I just get sick of correcting people all the time.
cakeisnotanumber 1 year ago
@cakeisnotanumber i could see how you would get sick of that.
zeppelin8677 1 year ago
@zeppelin8677 Sorry to be abrupt with you when you were well intentioned. Best wishes :)
cakeisnotanumber 1 year ago
@zeppelin8677 What the hell? An atheist believes that there is no god; they can still arrive at this conclusion through positive beliefs. PZ Myers has a post on his blog entitled "Why are you an atheist?" if you're interested in what these positive beliefs may be.
Setar 1 year ago
@Setar
Absolutely.
I think the best way to prove that something is not true is to find something else that you can prove is true, but is mutually exclusive with the other.
This is why theists will almost never give a very exact definition of the gods they believe in, or will change the definition at the drop of a hat. So you can't prove anything that is mutually exclusive.
Or they will give you something foolish, like "god is everything".
TJGuitarVids 1 year ago
@TJGuitarVids This shifting of definitions is why I've moved to ignosticism -- the position that the question 'does god exist' cannot yet be answered as 'god' has yet to be coherently defined.
Setar 1 year ago
@zeppelin8677
The definition of an atheist is a person who does not believe that gods/deities exist.
TJGuitarVids 1 year ago
@zeppelin8677 Well I dont believe in any God (s) but I believe in the BBC so what does that make me?
NoFaithNoPain 1 year ago
@zeppelin8677 an atheist doesn't "believe in nothing at all", they just don't have a theological belief.
guitarisgod 1 year ago 2
@zeppelin8677 An atheist doesn't believe in theism, an atheist doesn't believe in gods. That's it. Nothing else follows. It is not a belief system, it is a lack of certain beliefs. What beliefs any atheists hold are separate from their atheism. While many atheists "believe in" science others don't.
MartinJWillett 1 year ago
@zeppelin8677
an atheist is somebody who disbeliefs in god
not nothing. Most Atheists, as a result, accept science. That is all an atheist means - disbelief in god. Give it an extended meaning and it no longer means an atheist.
A naturalist is somebody who studies natural science and history such as biology or zoology. Naturalists can be both religious or atheist or agnostic. See Richard Dawkins, he is a naturalist, evolutionist, and darwinist. But he does not believe in god
KingDarkling 1 year ago
@zeppelin8677 not true - I am an atheist and I BELIEVE you are a pretentious moron.
: )
timwhite2005 4 months ago
@timwhite2005 I'm ok with you saying that, well now of course. I'm an Atheist now (well really Agnostic). The only reason I wrote that comment was because I was very insecure. I wanted to keep my beliefs in God, by puting down Atheist/Evolutinist people.
zeppelin8677 3 months ago
@zeppelin8677 thanks for your reply - makes sense. best of luck to you!
timwhite2005 3 months ago
When it comes to the worst of religion, your analogy of the pint of beer that must be completely believed to be an elephant reminds me of Room 101 in George Orwell's 1984.
The protagonist/victim is shown 4 fingers by the interrogator under psychological torture. - he is asked "how many fingers?"
"4"
"No. There are 5 fingers!!"
He is asked the same question again and says "5" just to get the torture to stop.
But the interrogator is not impressed.
"You must truly BELIEVE there are 5 fingers."
jazzx251 1 year ago
Kilkenny! <3
And elephants.
rationalw0lf 1 year ago
EVEN if you were to return to christianity in the future, or join any other religion for that matter, I for one applaud your decision to step back and take a look at your own belief system and decide to take a break from it, be it for some perspective, to get away from pesky, bothersome (former) church members, or simply to take a break from it and live a little, it's always good to have the will and desire to change and then successfully do it for one's betterment.
Kudos!
Ital21 1 year ago
Reminds me of my transition.
AdmiralCasey18 1 year ago
So, your beliefs as a "christian" and/or as an "atheist" are based on nothing? You had no clue why you believed what you did and now you have no clue why you believe what you believe now? Why not dig, (not shallow, I'll find something that fits what I want to believe) really dig, for some truth and let the chips fall where they may?
tlogic3 1 year ago
welcome to the real world =)
HyLLyy1 1 year ago
This is a great vid. I often get questions like, 'so you don't want to see your dad again in heaven?' It's not a choice, you believe something or you don't and I don't and haven't believed since I was a child. I remember praying my footie team would win the grand final when I was 7 but stopping because I thought it was pointless.
I wasn't a conscious atheist then, I just didn't believe.
AtheistParodies 1 year ago
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I can't believe your drink is an elephant because you haven't told me I will be punished forever if I don't.
charcoaljohnson 1 year ago
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charcoaljohnson 1 year ago
ATHEIST ALERT!!!
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y0nd3r 1 year ago
Well done man! Great video. Welcome to the right side :)
truthiness2010 1 year ago
good for you sir
always great to see people coming out of delusion
and embrace reason.
Happy days to you !
atheistkyo 1 year ago
Welcome to the dark side. We have cookies!
HiLRoYpwns 1 year ago
As I've gone to some lengths so explain on my channel, having a 'hope' for some form of continued existence after death - 'some' form - is reasonable. However, organised religion and actions based on 'faith' have always been unacceptable.
If you grew up in a fundamentalist environment and have managed to physically and intellectually escape it, you deserve much praise. We'll all be interested to watch your "Conversion-Deconversion" videos. Let's see if they're as good as Evid3nc3's :).
wasdom01 1 year ago
I always assumed you were an atheist because you were so reasonable :)
Teach me to judge a book
tielec01 1 year ago
Kilkenny FTW!
lizzy310589 1 year ago
Djarm67, I think that "naturalist" is a better word than "atheist." In short, we believe that the natural world is real.
PeterRabbitTV 1 year ago
@PeterRabbitTV Atheism has nothing to do with the natural world. Atheism is the lack of belief in a God/s.
Trusselz 1 year ago
@Trusselz:
Being an "a-theist" myself, I know that. I was explaining the basic definition of the word "naturalism."
PeterRabbitTV 1 year ago
@PeterRabbitTV I agree! I don't care about theism. Why should I be a-something that I don't have anything to do with?
kimflie 1 year ago
@kimflie:
Finally, someone understands. Thank you so much!
PeterRabbitTV 1 year ago
@kimflie atheist is just a word to describe people who lack a certain belief, it doesn't mean you actively crusade against religion or anything. Negative atheism is the default position, if you're a baby or an animal, that's what you would be.
kyebean 1 year ago
@kyebean Yes true! But I'm also trying to make a point! Religious people usually think that its they who are standing on flat ground, and that atheists are the ones who have moved on from there and does not "accept" the god. But I've been thinking about religion for a couple of days now, and I guess the reason they hold their beliefs so strongly must be either fear of death or the fear of being nothing bigger or a part of something bigger than themselves. Even though they are arguing elsewise..
kimflie 1 year ago
@kimflie yes, you have to be pretty dense to promote religion scientifically. that said, it doesn't hurt to meet them on that plane. It's like letting a child play with matches a bit until he gets burned and goes back to his toys
kyebean 1 year ago
@kyebean Beautiful example! :-)
kimflie 1 year ago
Nice hat mate!
Vouk73 1 year ago
Nice video djarm67. Like the honestly and candidness of your views. Best wishes.
Futureplanet 1 year ago
To be perfectly honest... I never knew one way or the other when it came to the videos of I've watched from you. The main reason for that was because you simply stood against the forceful ignorance of anti-science nits.
With that said, cheers. World view shifts like that are some of the most interesting things to ever experience. I remember becoming an atheist myself and man... what a roller-coaster of emotions!
RaPositivist 1 year ago
I would just like to chime in and say that I would be very interested in seeing a conversion-deconversion story. I have had many former-atheists-turned-Christians come to my channel. These people tend to reject atheism on questionable philosophical grounds yet also tend to exercise more rationality than the average Christian on my channel. I always suspected that at least some of these rationally-focused people would return to atheism and it would be fascinating to hear how in detail.
Evid3nc3 1 year ago 15
@Evid3nc3 I have a hard time believing these christians were truly atheist. If there are some who are actually telling the truth, I would assert they never took a valid and critical look at the bible, and still have not.
emeralds222 1 year ago
I'm not claiming to know you at all, but from what I've seen of your videos and interests, I can't say I'm surprised that you finally abandoned Christianity. You are far too rational and you have too much curiosity about the natural world to "believe" anything for too long.
fistyeah21 1 year ago
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You never really were a Christian.
JaimesPhazon 1 year ago
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@JaimesPhazon
No True Scotsman Fallacy:
watch?v=_HJrAaGJudw
Evid3nc3 1 year ago 2
You have made a foolish choice by choosing not to believe in God. I hope you will someday find Jesus, who is the way the truth and the life!!! =)
j0hNeeK00l 1 year ago
@j0hNeeK00l
I found him. He was behind the couch the whole time, the li'l bugger.
UncleWaddyHead 1 year ago
Good for you! It makes me happy every time I hear somebody stops believing/worshiping imaginary gods!
gupsphoo 1 year ago
I guess I woke up and just hated you. I didn't have a choice. Your argument is invalid.
Also, you clearly never were a Christian in the Biblical sense.
Hax2tehMax 1 year ago
I'm sure you're also a liberal too. Liberalism and atheism usually goes hand in hand
Imakecents 1 year ago
i'm not sure what is really in that glass but wanted to let you know you never met God and that is why you still don't believe..i think you will when you least expect it..
sundai73 1 year ago
@sundai73
Don't patronize someone for being honest and for being outspoken about such a sudden change. The man in the video is very civil and responses like this are unwarranted.
HolyNonbeliever 1 year ago
Congratulations on leaving the belief in imaginary friends behind.
joralebedev 1 year ago
That is very courageous of you. I became an atheist about a year ago and it's a very liberating feeling. However, most of my friends abandoned me. Jesus only loves Christians apparently. Even still, I'm happier now.
GroogFish 1 year ago
I hope you didn't leave Christianity because all the atheists on youtube pick on you or bug you to become one. You should be whatever the evidence tells you to be...
EvolutionaryMind 1 year ago
@EvolutionaryMind
Uh no. The journey is not dictated by atheist peer pressure. There's a far more weird dynamic on the christian side that keeps them sheltered from rationalizing any criticism towards their belief. It's not until they start being honest with themselves that they give themselves a chance to look at things in a different angle. Some of these guys are even clever apologists, but fail to use that same tenacity to deconstruct their own rationalization. It's up to them to work it out
mku17ra 1 year ago
I hope you didn't leave Christianity because all the atheist on youtube pick on you or bug you to become one. You should be whatever the evidence tells you to be...
EvolutionaryMind 1 year ago
@brokenthonqsz: No, not really. Aside from the fact that I am a Minister, I also minister through my Magic.
Are you trying to say that sleight of hand and illusion are evil? If so, you should know that by the measure you judge others, you yourself WILL be Judged.
Rejecting Gods plan for Salvaition: FAIL
bRadicalmagic1 1 year ago
@bRadicalmagic1
That's simply unkind. There's no need to attack or insult someone for their beliefs, or lack thereof! Please keep the heat down.
Farewell et Pax Vobiscum
JustOneMoreChild 1 year ago
@JustOneMoreChild: If you are going to accuse my of being unkind then you at least should be specific. As it is, I just don't have a CLUE what your malfunction is.
bRadicalmagic1 1 year ago
I can see how emotionally painfully this was for you.
Would you like to talk about that ?
I would certainly love to hear about it....
I loved your conversation with D R. Kumar ....
wellsbranchdude 1 year ago
congrats man! :) proud of you.
xBLOODBAFx 1 year ago
Err, you do realize that you are now damned to hell and a loving god is going to torture you for ever and ever; because he loves you.
Oh well, he's going to do the same to me.
In the mean time, congratulations on breaking free; I look forward to your future videos, and to that end you have a new subscriber.
bobguk 1 year ago
Mmm... Delicious liquid elephant.
ShrapnelSong 1 year ago
666 likes OMSatan!
gameraccounts 1 year ago
666 likes and 6 dislikes. coincidence?
thieflord555 1 year ago
@thieflord555 you got it one. no question mark needed.
userwl2850 1 year ago
I'd like to hear about your conversion/deconversion story :)
Brianswers 1 year ago
Welcome to the light side. Nice to have you. =)
TheAtheistSwede 1 year ago
You do realise you are going to hell now. LOL
Sarusource 1 year ago