How To: HuK 20 Food FE - Replay Analysis

[Joe22c]

Fascinating. Thanks for posting! :)

I've been having trouble with 1-gate expands vs. terran. Thanks for posting! :-)

PS. Is this still as effective now (~ Feb 2012) as it was when you posted in the summer of 2011? Or have terrans figured out how to hard counter it by now?

[CecilSunkure]

@Joe22c It's still effective. Once you get into very high on the ladder you need to start laying your Nexus before the Cyber core against a CC first.

[chaosforce82]

wtf? i thought this was supposed to be 20 food expand o.o



[maritiemmedia]

20 food...

-_- im not even gonna explain

[ceeefdubstep]

Try to remember to get extended thermal lance for your collosi. It helps so much in those battles so your collosi can just sit back and destroy stuff.

[sm1tty5569]

how does this fair vs 1-1-1 ?

[emperor1337]

@sm1tty5569 Any early expand is a hard counter to 1-1-1

[sm1tty5569]

@emperor1337 Yeah I've found out the correct response to 1-1-1 is 1gate FE. I wouldn't call it a hard counter though...

[Hannefreak]

nice guide can i add u ingame? i`ve got some questions to you

[terranmoccasin]

Cecil thanks for all the builds and helping out fellow toss :D

[828Pakie]

The for the vid man, really helping me improve as a toss =)

[Sc2Anexcis]

Hello CecilSunkure,

can you upload this the Replay of this game please?

This would be very helpfull for me to analyse this strategy for my own.

Thank you

[CecilSunkure]

@Sc2Anexcis Uploaded!

[APassivePoke]

This video is really great. Hopefully you can continue to analyze build orders like this. It's one thing to read a TL thread but it's another thing to watch a game where it's being used and have someone explain it to you.

[CecilSunkure]

@APassivePoke Thanks! Will definitely do more =)

[vince12345]

this is great! you should do more of these tutorial/analysis videos

[Beserker333]

good guide thank you so much!:)

[se7endread]

nice.

[sarang230]

LoL, this is probably not a build order by huk, it is probably from MC like the most builds huk is using.

[elaltana]

@sarang230 No, this is Huk's build

Not enough Penix for it to be MC's build

[park1321]

hey great vid! but plz display the production tab

[CecilSunkure]

@park1321 Will try to do more!

[dennisbernard11]

holy crap i wish i didnt suck at this game

[Manafii102]

this is so cool! Thanks a lot!

[talixim101]

Hey cecil, i got a few thoughts about the build. When exactly do you scout with this build? i assume on the gateway dropping down but i just wanna make sure. Also, could you update the thread on the TL forums since its now a 24 food expand XD or post the build order in the info? (the actual build not the link to the thread, since youve altared the build.) other than that, great stuff and it helps a lot ^_^

[snubben12]

@talixim101

Don´t wanna be the guy that answers when not spoken to but i will still be him (mohahahaha)

You should scout after 13gate

The TL thread isnt made by him

[CecilSunkure]

@talixim101 Yeah scout after Gateway. I didn't make the thread, so I can't update it! Also my variation isn't necessarily better, it's just one way to play the opening.

[Luisml8]

u should record this game is so dark

[snubben12]

I´ve always wondered about this:

When u poke up the ramp with this build, and you see like 3 marines(in a bunker or not in a bunker) and since u only have 1 stalker you cannot force him to show more units, couldnt he be doing a 1base all-in while hiding his units?

Basicly the problem is that depending on if he is actually expanding or he´s allining, you need to make the right choice. And if you make the wrong one you either lose or fall terrably far behind.

You mind giving your thought ? :)

[CecilSunkure]

@snubben12 Well you can take note of timings of when players expand depending on their build. If he isn't pushing your stalker out of the natural because he's hiding all his stuff, then prepare for an allin. It won't hurt to play safe and cut probes if he's actually sitting up his ramp with an Orbital and not expanding.

[snubben12]

@CecilSunkure

Thank you dude,

so helpful! <3

[shadowrunner103]

Hi Cecil! Thanks for the video. I'm a low level (plat) Protoss who's finally decided it's time to learn a precise build order for each matchup instead of just dicking around and building stuff whenever I feel like it. Is this a good build for someone with relatively subpar control/macro to learn and use in every PvT for a while? Or if I'm going to grind the same build every game would it be better to try something like a more standard 2 gate robo FE? Thanks!

[CecilSunkure]

@shadowrunner103 Yeah a low-level player can pull this off pretty easily :)

[MikeDaMasta1]

Good video, looking forward to seeing more!

What can a terran do to punish this?

[CecilSunkure]

@MikeDaMasta1 Quick banshee punishes people that execute badly. I believe some form of bunker rush might work too, but I'm not sure.

[iknowbetter]

@CecilSunkure i believe a 2 rax reactor first push can be dangerous.

[CecilSunkure]

@iknowbetter Actually if you check the OP in the thread in the description, it is not.

[Telanhzan]

@iknowbetter Why?

Heavy stalker-count with sentries demolish early marines.

[CecilSunkure]

@iknowbetter Not really. You just get a lot of stuff.

[salveson92]

I find that many terran don't expect the heavy pressure that can come off of a HuK style expand, and letting them see my nexus can sometimes be advantageous. The huge production potential for making stalkers rolls over marine centric expands.

[rocksparadox]

@salveson92 But then you're going to get Debo rolled, one based like a greedy little biatch.

[emperor1337]

@rocksparadox Debo is a scrub, stop with this crap. His build is easily scoutable and can be reacted to in time.

[rocksparadox]

@emperor1337 one base terran in yo face nigga..!

[Herolake]

did you use a phone to record this?

[CecilSunkure]

@Herolake rofl no I use a cheap mic. Wanna get me a better one? :D

[Catchafire2000]

Thanks Cecil!