sayoc demo vid

[SayocKaliPhilippines]

Long live Sayoc Kali!

[jonilsen351]

@MAS4To- so,I shouldn't practice shooting my gun and throw away my CCW permit and get rid of my pocket knife cause I may kill the violent child rapist whom gets his hands on my 8 year old daughter because in your view that wouldn't be the moral thing to do. Interesting.

[jonilsen351]

Oh and not all knife guys are fat, I'm 6 ft 205 and bench 300. Tuhon Tom can still throw me around like a ragdoll

[jonilsen351]

Mast- if you're mentality is to " defend " against a blade you wouldn't last long and there is nothing to keep the attacker from going all out, and he's not gonna stop just because you're good a blocking. Ya gotta be the feeder. Only after you learn what a blade can do will you know how to defend " defend " against it

[litterbox123]

хуйня.

[MAS4T0]

Unless the training is focussed almost entirely on defence against a weapon, it's a rather useless style...

Seriously, who carries a huge knife around with them, and where in the world could you possibly not be given either life imprisonment (or the death sentence) for using this on someone.

[MAS4T0]

@MAS4T0

With the obvious exception being the military...

[Shiftee88]

@MAS4T0 I dont know which utopia u live in but i live in London and people carry knives all the time, and use them. And a lot of the time they just get a caution for posession, and a few years if they stab sum1

[MAS4T0]

@Shiftee88

You didn't read my comment properly. "Unless the training is focussed almost entirely on defence against a weapon, it's a rather useless style..."

What I was saying is that while knife defence may be useful at some point, learning how to handle a knife (by which I mean "kill someone with a knife") is of absolutely NO use to civilians.

[Shiftee88]

@MAS4T0 I disagree. If someone attacks me with a knife im gonna do my damn best to take it off them and bury it in their ass. Ill tell the judge and jury it was self defense.

[MAS4T0]

@Shiftee88

In which case you'd go to jail for murder...

If you did manage to get the knife from the assailant, and accidentally caught him with it in the heat of the moment, that's one thing.

If on the other hand, you had in fact spent years learning how to kill someone with a knife (and thus had killed that person on purpose), that's a completely different matter.

Ever heard of 'reasonable force'? Well, I can assure you that slashing someone's throat is not considered reasonable force.

[Shiftee88]

@MAS4T0 If someone has just tried to kill u with a knife i think its perfectly reasonable to disable that person completely. If that means stabbing them to death then so be it. Even the police shoot to kill when confronted with someone with a weapon. To me its perfectly reasonable. If i was a juror i would say not guily

[MAS4T0]

@Shiftee88

I don't want to argue about this, and while I completely understand your line of reasoning, that is not how the law works.

Police only ever shoot to kill if the person is armed and highly dangerous. There is no excuse for murdering someone, having already disarmed them.

What you are describing is not self defence, it's revenge. This means that killing the assailant would be a crime of passion, rather than self-defence.

[HYBRIDCOMBATIVES]

Its funny how many viewers like to make disrespectful comments towards Tuhon Tom Kier; yet, NO ONE seems to have anything negative to say in person.

[HYBRIDCOMBATIVES]

@theawakener7 quit cryin you splineless leftist.... you don't like it ...don't watch it.

[narutoiga88]

That was very rude comment dude what's your problem.

[gomergilligan]

damn - I'd hate to be the double cheeseburger that Tom Kier attacks.

[Negativecreep0]

tell me how the fuck obama won office over this guy

[digby72]

I teach combative FMA in Iraq to soldiers, state department personnel and civilian contractor personnel in Iraq. Even so, I make it a point not to teach edged weapons until they demonstrate a certain level of maturity.

The exceptions would be those personnel who go out every day.

This just makes good sense to me; on a personal note, a knife wielding attacker was responsible for a family member's murder; so that also probably accounts for me not touching myself everytime I see The Hunted.

[karateworld4920]

Yep, those damn immature Civilian Contractors and State Department war zone employees...

[login76]

i dont think anyone needs to watch a video in order to be able to use a knife or blade with bad intensions..

those willing will find many ways to get what they want. if anything, this video should show you the reality of a knife attack situation hopefullly to get you to go train on how to avoid it or increase ur chances of survival. besides all fighters know that you cant really learn from videos.

[BRP1968]

Amen.

[BRP1968]

I love that story. I remember the first time I heard it with a girl as the main character. My daughter loves it too.

[BRP1968]

I agree with you partially, but what I can't agree with is censorship. By this same logic, any and every piece and bit of information which could potentially be utilized to harm someone should be banned from any and all public consumption. We would all need special permits to purchase silverware, tools or even letter openers. Glass would be outlawed and cars...well...we'd all be walking. Someone with a murderous inclination doesn't need this stuff to act it out. He can go to his cubbard.

[paintdataint]

I have the right to have the knowlege to protect ourselves. The word "censorship" is the onlything in this country that needs to be rid of.

[BRP1968]

I humbly submit that anyone who views a clip of this sort and decides they want to kill children, is not a fool so much as a psychopath and that this person probably shouldn't even be allowed around dinner forks, much less knives. This is hardly the fault of those who post, however. This information is welcomed by those who take martial training seriously as a solution to guard against the deranged person who might seek to do one harm with a blade or worse.

[BRP1968]

Sayoc kali (as most Filipino Martial Arts: kali/escrima/arnis) stresses weapons proficiency as a basis for training empty for hand proficiency, mainly because the cultures from wence it developed are bladed cultures. It's just like advancing to swords, sais, tonfas and staffs in karate or other martial arts, just in reverse. Besides, in learning weapons in FMA, one learns to defend against them. I'm sure I don't have to elaborate on the usefulness of learning to defend against blades.

[BullRun2009]

Gomergilligan you are an idiot...

[PhillAlexandros]

I agree with you theawakener7! I have a chance to learn Sayoc Kali, but come on..I cannot feasibly go around with a knife attached to me. I might just stick with Krav Maga instead for defense purposes. I'm not out to butcher anyone. Thanks for the post.

[PhillAlexandros]

I need to understand where in America can you not get in trouble for cutting a guy into pieces like some of these moves will do - otherwise, I'm trying to see the significance of learning Sayoc Kali.

[Floorsnarl]

Good point.

[gomergilligan]

that fatso doesn't need a knife - he could just sit on the other guy - must be american - damn, I wish I had the money to stuff my fat arse like you yanks.

[bayareahyphyazn]

whats that knife called at 0:24-32

[Bloodynavallint]

Badass knife is what i would call it

that thing looks sweet

probably wouldn't pull it out in Walmart to cut a thread or something though lol

[JunFanJimi]

HIDING BEHIND A WEAPON AS ALWAYS.

[sgtmac46]

I suppose you could call that....there is a name for men, historically, who try to take on the world unarmed....what was that name again? Oh yes, EXTINCT! Chimpanzees picked up sticks and sharp rocks for a reason....weapons are what allowed man to evolve and dominate the planet.

[HYBRIDCOMBATIVES]

@JunFanJimi real stupid comment. Wars have never been fought or won empty handed. These men are demonstrating a skill set perfected by Filipino warriors. A skill set used to fight against oppression covering everything from ancient tribal warfare to spanish oppression ,and more recently the Japanese invasion of WW2. The Filipino warrior was intregal in assisting our Marines in defeating the Japanese in the Pacific.

[rednatsyb]

The Sayocs used to teach taekwondo years ago, then he had an accident and got fat, and invented in his american taekwondo studio a fat man's martial art.

[pronoia5550]

Rednatsyb? LOL you're still around? Get a life brotha! Simply hating Sayoc Kali will get you nowhere in life. You have a low opinion of the art. WE GET IT.

[rednatsyb]

practicing sayoc will get you nowhere in life either.

[sanshuz]

Who knows the situation may arise when some psychopath attacks you with a knife.

[rednatsyb]

even tuhon tom said people in the street don't use templates

[CarlosMacMartin]

I took some group classes with this group back in 2001 and will say it's some of the most brutal,gut "sticking" stuff I've ever seen! I would not want to have to use the little that I was exposed to against anyone! I'm 100% serious when I say it.Not the type of style that should be allowed to be taught to just any person off the street.Yes,the drills are complicated at first,but you start to develop a flow and feel for it.You have to be "human" first,before trying learn Kali.Respect!

[goe95722]

aside, from this hype people are saying here. weather you like what you see or not. alot of these pointless drills involve total immersion. no one said ur suppose to abinico, or planaza or pinchie corta the first session in person or fight right way with knifes. you all make me sick, whom defame this version of the art, FMA is FMA! no one gets proficient in two days, most ppl take months years to be proficient knife fighters and stick fighters.

[guerillajack]

Will you all stop feeding the fuckng trolls!

Thank You

[Kliplemet]

sayoc kali sells false confidence through pointless drills

[pronoia5550]

haha

[bullethead2008]

Because in your perfect world pronoia5550, those with evil intent aren't interested in getting better that what they can do. Oh no, they wouldn't be interested in knowing how to kill people in under 2 strikes and who parts to hit that will make wound management very difficult. There are no drunken teenage thugs who want to "try" these "cool knife moves' they say on youtube. Yes, we can all sleep better now. That's so wonderful pronoia5550. I didn't realize how simple life is from your POV.

[pronoia5550]

No bullethead, in my world I accept the fact that evil people exist in this world and intend to do harm to innocent people. Knowing that, I choose to PROTECT MYSELF by owning guns, owning knives, and learning how to use both in the most efficient way possible so that when your drunken hooligans cross my path, they dont walk away. I don't cower in fear of the world like you do.

[amarmehta01]

jeez man you don't get it. the purpose of having this knowledge is to AVOID fighting. It should always be your last resort, it being youre knife or gun or any marital training you may have had. it's you and people like you that really get under my skin.

[pronoia5550]

I agree with you, it SHOULD be a last resort. I don't look for trouble, I've never been arrested for any crime and I have never instigated a fight with anyone since middle school. I just think its important to be confident and not live in fear of criminals. The world is dangerous, yeah, but thats just reality. I think people should accept reality and learn to protect themselves, not curl up in fear and try to cover the world with bubble wrap to make it safer. How does that get under your skin?

[pronoia5550]

Its people like you who think that by simply taking all the guns away, and getting rid of violent movies, and taking the Sayoc organization's videos off the internet, criminals will stop being criminals. How about instead of being scared and crying out like the victim you are, you learn how to protect yourself so you don't live in fear of some "hooligan" stabbing you. That might be a jump for you but I think you should consider it.

[pronoia5550]

Where I live, people know better than to go around arbitrarily stabbing people. You know why? Because they would get shot! An armed society is a polite society bullethead2008, and a police state like the UK will continue to have problems with violence because the criminals dont have anything to fear. Victims like you are just sheep with big targets on their backs. But no dont defend yourself. Why should you? The government will solve everything. I didnt realize how simple life was from your POV

[pronoia5550]

And bullethead2008, are you so naive as to think that "society's worst" are at home frantically taking notes on 30 second demo clips on youtube, and thereby successfully learning how to be more efficient killers?? I'm sure mob bosses, gang bangers and drug dealers are so lacking in fighting skill that they have to resort to youtube to pick up a few extra tricks.

[bullethead2008]

who's talking about mob bosses you dumb fuck? The UK is going through an epidemic of stabbings, almost all done by kids and young hooligans. you think their problems are caused by their mob? LOL!! Only a total moron like you will think that only pro hitmen will need this information. But that's not the point of keeping some information away from those who will misuse it, which you obviously don't understand because you've got your head too far up your ass

[pronoia5550]

*Sigh*...go ahead, take one line of my reply out of context and disregard the entire point I was making about you and all the other Brits who curl up like scared little puppies and whine about the "epidemic" of stabbings and the "young hooligans" with knives. Go to places in America like Atlanta, Detroit, or St. Louis and I think you'll see why no one takes you seriously when you talk about "kids" with "knives".

[pronoia5550]

In 2005, the US experienced more homicides commited by the 14-17 year old age group than the entire UK has had in the past five years. And thats a decline! But I digress. Crime statistics are neither here nor there. My point is that if you think videos like this are made to profit off violent criminals, then you obviously haven't done any research about the Sayoc organization or anyone who is involved with it. This is obvious. But please, keep touting your victim mentality. Its entertaining.

[bayareahyphyazn]

The US population is literally 6 times larger then the UK

[pronoia5550]

I think I made my point regardless.

[pronoia5550]

As for the "hooligans" taking note of these techniques and buying martial arts DVDs, learning to be efficient killers, etc., I refer to my first comment.

[bullethead2008]

So if I understand you correctly, you really don't care who buys Sayoc's DVD right? For you, the information will only end up in the hands of the people who need them, is that what your saying? And you can guarantee that the information on them will never, NEVER be used by criminals or thugs, right? if so, then i guess you also believe in Santa Claus and the Tooth Fairy.

[pronoia5550]

Dude, you can't learn Sayoc kali from the DVDs they have available. The DVDs they sell are basic introductions to the material and yeah, you might learn a thing or two about vital targets, but you sure as hell aren't going to be a skilled knife fighter. It's like reading a book about swimming and then diving into the ocean expecting to swim like a champion. So no, I don't worry about some punk ass with a knife who thinks he's tough because he bought the 3 of 9 DVD.

[d0nd0n69]

u cant do that just by watching it. unless ur a freakin genius. based on my observations, they're wasting too much energy just to kill one person. and what's with the other guy? why didnt he used his knife.

[bullethead2008]

but he can be BETTER at using the weapon. instead of stabbing all over the place, hooligans can now learn to be more "efficient", do more damage with the least amount of effort. And you're adding to the problem by posting this on youtube. The problem with the sayoc and everyone else selling knife training videos is that they don't give a shit who learns it. As long as they can make a filthy buck, they couldn't care less. it must buy them a lot of twinkies..

[login76]

hey !!!! watch it bro !!!!!... i like twinkies.

[login76]

so what did YOU learn from this video? i doubt you will be able to apply any of these techniques from just watching them. my point is that it is not as easy as it looks to be technical with a knife, but whoever wants to use one with bad intent not this or any other video will encourage/help him/her.

[pronoia5550]

Ok, by your logic we should censor every knife fighting clip on the internet, ban teaching self defense techniques because "bad guys" might learn them too, take everyone's guns away and curl up like sheep as we confirm our status as poor helpless victims?? Some people in this world actually have testicles. This might come as a shock to someone like you who cowers in fear at the thought of "hooligans" with knives, but it is true. We do exist. And we dont lose sleep over youtube videos.

[bullethead2008]

oh how wonderful. an entire video on youtube on how to knife people so they'll bleed out faster, showing all the vital points. What a wonderful public service feature by Sayoc Kali. They seem to have determined that society's worst don't know how to stab people to death properly and so they post the much needed information for everyone to watch and learn from. Hey how about doing a prison sales tour and show this video to those without internet access. Oh I forgot, they can buy the DVD.

[login76]

or they can buy a gun.....

theres no way any guy can just pick up a knife and be this good at it unless he trains for years. and probably at that point he would be able to make a living of it ! its in the intension to hurt and not in the technique...

[bullethead2008]

Bullshit. A bunch of kids can pick up kitchen knives and train to stab their classmates better in the privacy of their parent's basement. Try doing that, even with a license firearm. To train with a gun, you need to shoot it. It's the availability, stealth and deadliness of knives that make them very dangerous. And now these obese fuckers are willing to sell what they know for a quick buck.

[login76]

exactly... so basically give an untrained 13 year old a knife and he can hurt someone with it(with no technique)

it all depends on his intension, if he wants to hurt someone he will, regardless to whether he sees this video or not...

[keogali]

you have never felt tuhon tom power ... i have at the time i was 210 pounds and he riped me a new one....so for those of you who think you know....you really dont KNOW S#!T ... try stepping on the floor against him ...

[rednatsyb]

sounds like you have felt the power of his cock too

[losNinja]

This stuff beats silly "magic" FMA stick games anyday. LOL

[rednatsyb]

omg he is so FAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA­AAAAAAAAAAAT

[fnord23]

try fight with him bet you get so killllllllled lolz

[SHITBAGS69]

Big waist, but clearly a very powerfull guy, or did the size or his arms and chest escape you genius like mind?

[rokanabizaid]

i'm a sayoc kali practitioner,and take my word for it,it really works.i lost count of how many times it saved me.

[rednatsyb]

lulz

[jeetkunejimi]

Hi rokanabizaid, can you tell me if there is any contact empty handed sparring in this art or is it all weapons based. thanks for any help you can give me if you reply.

[ChrisCaruso222]

That's amazing. Tuhon Tom is realy a great guy and a great teacher.

[theitalianpugilist]

Id stab myself before trying to fight Tuhon Tom. He is amazing.

[rednatsyb]

wow that's so gay

[rednatsyb]

Sayoc Kali assumes insanity from the student's side, as they encourage the practitioner to carry multiple blades at all times.

[coldwatch]

please dont make a comment if u have never studied Sayoc or any offensive blade-oriented weapons class. The knife rig is only a training aid and nothing more. Its like saying BJJ instriuctors are encouraging people to wear a jiu jitsu GI and walk bear feet 24hrs a day.

[login76]

thank you coldwatch.

[rednatsyb]

i know this is your standard answer on the internet for this when people laugh at you, but still i speak the truth

[nousarcomonick]

Esta gordo el muy hijo de puta. jajajjajajajja

[barimbo]

This is just a comment on the video, not on the art as a whole. He's just slaughtering a unarmed man. Any butcher has the same abilities.

[Lakandatu]

FMA... killing art... hhmmmn... just like ninjutsu?

[eddared]

good template clip login76, my regards to Tuhon Tom Kier and Guro Daniel Del Campo,(the two gentlemen in the clip).

[Tazz77]

does sayoc kali have stick fighting as part of its training?

[emozemoz]

for the guy who keeps complaining that fma is a killing art, you must not be familiar with the nature of philippine history. it's an art created out of necessity. white boys with the luxury of guns forced us to hone our craft. it doesnt matter if you fight in a way that your opponent thinks is fair. what matters is that you're alive and your enemy isnt.

[emozemoz]

the first guy to comment is a dummy. i guess just sitting there and letting yourself get killed would be more effective. you train until the motions become your natural reactions. it's similar to playing video games which im sure most of you are familiar with. when you're learning, you have to think of what buttons to press. after a while it becomes natural.

[RenegadeMonk]

Sayoc guys, as well as other FMAers, rarely carry only one knife. Also, I don't think the Sayoc guys in your class knew exactly what they were doing. How long have those guys been training in Sayoc? All the Sayoc guys I've met don't simply throw their knife on the outset of an attack. They are very tactical about it. Again, if these guys are Sayoc Kali "students" then odds are they do not have the experience or knowledge of the more serious practitioners.

[RenegadeMonk]

This isn't stuff meant to be used if someone takes a swing at you in a bar, grabs your girlfriend's ass, or calls you a racial slur. This is only meant for situations in which one's life is seriously being threatened. Instead of seeing the unarmed guy in this video as some unarmed drunk taking a swing at you, try to view him into context. This "one" person could represent one of several people trying to kill you, rape your wife, or kidnap your kid.

[RenegadeMonk]

Let's make one thing clear. Whether the guys are unarmed or armed, if they are trying to kill/rape/kidnap you or someone you care about, then this type of force is justified. Only in EXTREME situations should this stuff be used.

[rednatsyb]

sayoc a no fuss style?....ROFL

it is also known as the art of a thousand drills

(don't get me started on the retarded "rigs")

[RenegadeMonk]

Just out of curiosity, what is your experience with Sayoc Kali, or FMA in general? Just wondering that's all.

[rednatsyb]

i teach muay thai and shooto in a cross training school, i am very familiar with fma, as the trainers in our club continuously teach each other. we had some sayoc students in our kali classes and they did the most retarded crap during sparring, like throwing their only knife

[RenegadeMonk]

I see. Well, there's no real "rule" against throwing your only knife. It's totally possible to do so, it's just don't think it's the smartest thing to do. The reason why Sayoc (and other FMAers) choose to throw a knife is not as a primary attack, but it is a way to close the gap between them and the enemy and follow up with strikes (unarmed or armed) at close range.

[leeroy1]

when u train and train instinct takes over and if u think ure gonna b dead, i like that system a no fuss style that gets the job done, fast.

[Duker777]

if ur trained evryday you dont need to think, u justneed to react, do u think fighters think about wut theyre going to do in a fight? no, most of them react on the movements of their opponent, the way theyre TRAINED to do.

[filipinoako]

they should study the knife holder's point of view..u know..and if this is happenning in real life..u will panic and u will not able to do thi because of u having no time to think..its not that effective..

[Sitbatan]

nice... Sayoc Kali is real combatatives.

[ErinMT]

To put what you're seeing in perspective. You see one guy going against another. But when was the last time you saw someone gettng mugged by just one person? Chances are the bad guy would have buddies around. In that case, 1 vs many, lethal forced is legally justified. So the armed guy vs unarmed thing doesn't mean anything. And as james pointed out, the little guy has a belt of knives on. He can become armed whenever he wants. Kinda like in real life...

[jamesejudy3]

Also, let's keep in mind that Sayoc Kali has a military clientele, not just civilians. And the other guy is armed, he just has yet to pull something. We don't know the scenario that they are working with. I just like how they go for arterial targets all the time. Bleed 'em out quick and move on.

[ErinMT]

I wish I had the confidence to blindly rush into a subject I know nothing about and insult the instructors and practitioners regardless of the validity of my statements...

[rednatsyb]

" I wish I had the confidence to blindly rush into a subject I know nothing about"

that is exactly what you are doing...

"insult the instructors and practitioners"

i have insulted nobody, if you can not take criticism like a man, go back to the playground

[rednatsyb]

i wonder how your logic would work in court

[the2000s]

"i wonder how your logic would work in court"

I wonder whether you use any logic at all, rednatsyb.

"even if it means cutting open unarmed people trying to take a swing at you "

What you are speaking of here is not a matter of technique, or art, but rather one of judgement and common sense; edged weapon techniques are simply a tool, which DO NOT, and ARE NOT, meant to replace either of these vital human abilities.

[sunhelmet]

According to his profile, rednatsyb is all of 18 years old, and one can observe from his comments that he's better at typing than actually comprehending what is being written.

[sunhelmet]

It works just fine, unlike your selective reading. Realize that the father of the system was a retired correctionals officer, and that many of the system's high ranking instructors work in law enforcement.

[rednatsyb]

sayoc kali on self defense: don't be a victim, be a predator

[sunhelmet]

True, Sayoc Kali trains people NOT to become the victims in a self defense situation.

[rednatsyb]

even if it means cutting open unarmed people trying to take a swing at you

[sunhelmet]

Of course no one ever died from attackers taking swings at them. No one ever had their brains knocked in, or choked out. How about several people taking swings at you? How about using some logic and adapting the DEMO clip to someone who is about to shoot you? Or perhaps, reading the other post about how you have to SHOW what a knife does before you THINK you can defend against it. Maybe we also need to add a referee and boxing ring whenever someone gets attacked.

[fightingmink]

This the same guy that trained Tommy Lee Jones in "The Hunted," right? Awesome stuff. But Jones quoted the art originating from Indonesia or was it Malaysia in the DVD.

[dtheart]

I think it was from the Filipines, fightingmink - and that's definately the same guy from "The Hunted", or at least a lookalike :-p I've found a sayoc school in my area finally and am looking forward to taking it up :-D

[rednatsyb]

the word KALI suggests it is a philippine art

[emozemoz]

tommy lee jones is an actor; not a historian. maybe he thought the philippines is part of indonesia/malaysia. maybe he just straight up forgot and said the wrong place. it doesnt change that sayoc kali is a philippine combat art.

[zukuru]

heroes need weapons to kill unarmed combatants ....

[sunhelmet]

First you SHOW "heroes' what a trained knife guy can do, otherwise you end up with a lot of DEAD heroes.

[rednatsyb]

it is about killing heroes of course

[sunhelmet]

Funny... A person can not defend against something until they first learn how devastating it can really be.

[rednatsyb]

your system is not about defense, it is about learning how to kill people with knives

[sunhelmet]

Interesting victim logic. "Your GUN is not about defense, it is about learning how to kill people with guns"

[emozemoz]

it's true, sayoc kali isnt for defense. it's created for offense. when foreign peoples try invading your land. you dont simple hide from their bullets and block their strikes. that would be self defense. you fuckin kill them in a way that is hard to counter. that is filipino martial arts.

[KrisParagas]

Good one man!That is why the Filipino Martial Arts are so different from any other arts.It's is a "survival"!

[mareko]

ummm....pretty kewl but why doesn't the other guy have a weapon? It's basically a guy killing an unarmed man with a knife.

[rednatsyb]

great, finally a how-to video on knifing people...